 Okay, they also ask you for additional social networks if you use any so if you link out to other ones that might have more subs maybe And then they ask for your social security number And then you find somehow it's run by Equifax Well, if you get accepted you do have to put in your tax ID info. Oh, right? Yeah, so they can pay you So we're all we're all screwed is what you're saying. Yep. We're all Amazon get hat good It's not the day's coming. Well, we were all in Equifax anyway, right? You know what? You know what that's the weird thing It's like if you've had a look if you got him alone for anything a car a house Crick are any kind of serious credit history are on there whether you think you are maybe or maybe not It's not every person who's ever been in the Equifax database because several people have Have gone and said. Oh, they said I'm not in the breach. So the breach didn't get all their records Yeah, theoretically apparently But if yeah, you didn't need to choose to be in there to be in there. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's part of the Part of the scariness of us farm and raise your own chickens and that's right We're you know what it's go back to a simpler life. Yes, everyone like this I think this is where the conversation started about bartering So we go back. Let's simplify our lives everybody Let's let's do that right now. Let's do that Hello She says hello, hey, yes, we can hear you You can okay good. Yeah, we haven't started the show yet either. I know Are you are you good? Thank you. Sorry for my apologize for my ludicrous appearance I am Not on oh no, you look great The world's greatest blanket for it because it's That's fine. Can you turn yourself up a little? Maybe or maybe get the mic closer to your mouth. I'm not sure. I don't know how yeah, I can I can be more on mic and less In face. Yeah, anything you can do the boost Yeah, oh There might be some things on the microphone I can do It's funny. This is like one of those like Pretty closer to your mouth Like right when you're talking right there was getting louder. I'm not sure if that was Yeah, a little bit noticeably, but not how would you think Tom? Well, I can't tell now. Oh Because I stopped talking. Yeah You there was when you were moving around it you you started talking into it and it started it got louder and I'm not sure why Maybe it just needs a point. Yeah Maybe it's backwards Or maybe it's side address. I don't know I'm curious about whether it's backwards because that would be hysterical if it was backwards all this time And by hysterical I mean some engineer installed this and See, I think it sounds louder to you guys, but I don't hear myself at all. So that is not the right Yeah, yeah No, it's just that you're farther when you're when you're on that side because of the pop screen I think that's all it is you're closer when you're on the other side. Oh, I see I can move the pop Yeah, I get it in a little closer. I Think that'll do it. How do you feel about this? Oh, yeah, there we go. That's better. Okay. Good. All right Do you hear any annoying background noise that's might be me let me see Yeah, now from me. I'm talking about. Oh, no, I don't hear it from you, Shane. Okay, cool. Thanks. Molly. What's your apocalypse name? How many minutes do I think about that done we're about to start the show before Len drop that bomb I know Like it Here we go three. Oh wait, do I have control? Yes, you do three two The Daily Tech News show is brought to you by people like me not outside organizations to learn more go to Daily Tech News show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, September 8 2017. I'm Tom Merritt with me and this Friday is Shannon Morse. How are you? Hello Hello Mr. Merritt It's good to have you. Len Peralta is here to illustrate the show as well It's good to be here and perhaps one of the reasons I'm tongue-tied is Molly Wood has dropped by as well Stinker hello everyone so exciting We are going to It's the studio Oh, that's fantastic Molly Wood from marketplace and marketplace tech, of course Shannon Morse from tech thing threat wire and hack 5 and Len Peralta from Len Peralta store.com Molly's dropping by because we're gonna talk a lot about Equifax today, right Molly. Oh My god, I am just an Equifax rage It's possible it's some sort of last straw situation and like a whole other bunch of things have built up And I've snapped over the Equifax thing, but I have snapped. Oh, I don't think you're the only one So let's get right into it with a few tech things you should know The gist of it is credit reporting firm Equifax and that's Thursday that it discovered on July 29th that attackers access data for 143 million US customers the data included addresses credit card numbers social security numbers birth dates and some drivers license numbers We are going to talk about this more in-depth in our main discussion in a few minutes And the Wall Street Journal reports that the US FBI is investigating whether Uber use software to illegally interfere with competitors The focus is on software that could track Uber drivers who also drove for Lyft Wall Street Journal has sources who say Facebook is willing to spend a billion dollars on original video content going into next year Apple has been reported to have a similar budget and if you've missed the comparisons Netflix is spending about six billion dollars on original content this year and Amazon is spending four and a half billion That's kind of interesting to me because Facebook could end up being a competitor to YouTube as well Since YouTube has a lot of their own content that they've created. Yeah, and spending a few billion themselves Boy Taiwan's commercial Times reports Its sources say Google is in the final stages of acquiring all or part of HTC a report in Lake August Indicated HTC was investigating a sale HTC makes the Google Pixel phone. Yes, they do and mine just died. Oh, no I don't know if that's a sign I'm about to derail us but man the the difference between the regular size pixel and the pixel XL is Startling in that one of them is a good phone and one of them is not I have a pixel XL and I've gotten to this past year under warranty that I had to get our Aramaid because each of them died in some way or another. Oh, really? Yeah, they should not acquire Maybe that's what HTC needs. I don't know the Google needs it. They've kind of been down this road with Motorola before Yeah, they don't get patents or that are valuable out of this one. I don't know. Yeah Here are some more top stories AT&T sprint T-Mobile and Verizon have formed the mobile Authentication task force in order to develop a more secure solution for two-factor authentication Hooray the task force hopes to have an advanced mobile authentication solution sometime next year The idea is to do things like analyze network activity patterns to determine if an account owner is really behind an action Group says it will take an open approach working with app developers and other third parties I mostly approve of all of this. I think it's great that they're working on two-factor authentication But Shannon, is it the answer? Separate authentication mechanism that doesn't require SMS. Yes, absolutely I mean, that's the point of having a second authenticator is so that you have one thing that you have one thing that you know or Something biometric doesn't necessarily matter Which choice you make as long as it's two separate things that allow you to log into some kind of Authentication website. Yeah, and I get what they're saying here Which is they'll analyze SMS to make sure there's not a man in the middle attack or that someone's hijacked your account By by spoofing you and and getting access to your account somehow, but maybe just don't use SMS Yeah, I think that's the way that everybody should go is stick to an application for 2fa instead of SMS Moving on could Casper ski labs started a pop-up shop in London this week in partnership with London Street artist Ben I'm called the data dollar store Shoppers in the old street tube station could buy products by giving over personal photos emails or text messages That would be displayed on two full-length screens in the shop windows the last three photos on your camera roll or last three text Messages you've got a t-shirt if you hand it over your phone for a staff member to choose any five photos or three screenshots You got some original artwork. Oh boy Yeah Some members of Congress are saying, you know, we should ban from yes government computers. That would be the same one. Yes Check in. I mean, I think those are fairly spurious Kaspersky is in Russia and so anything that happens in Russia is is gonna get that kind of attention these days. This is Simply a publicity stunt, right? to but at the same Related I guess that's what I was wondering. Well, it's Kaspersky in trying to say like hey folks You need to protect your personal information. You need to be aware of privacy. We got this artist who agrees with us on board I there's a lot to like about this particular publicity stunt It's a good message But in the end Kaspersky would like you to sign up for their services to protect your privacy, right? I really like the idea that they're coming For here in the fact that it kind of remorse reminds me of signing up for reward cards Like we've talked about on previous episodes of Daily Tech News show where you how much how much private data Are you willing to give away in order to get something for free or in order to get a discount in this case? To get some original artwork, like I have personal text messages with my husband like financial stuff that we talk about I wouldn't want to give that away and show up up on a screen So I would definitely pass on that but other people might be like, oh, hey, I was just talking about making dinner I'm okay with sharing that on a pop-up shop window So it's convenience over privacy Like I mean, it's pretty funny because when you just read it, right when you just look at this sort of paragraph about what they did I would imagine that most people would think that sounds great Maybe even maybe even in the new PE post-equifax world that we're living in. I think people would still say Yeah, no, it's funny is I didn't wait it's not all about me because I love that I Would easily give three photos off my my phone for for something but not a t-shirt I don't need another t-shirt so that my dividing line is there where it's like I don't need a mug Don't need a t-shirt. Ooh the original artwork. Oh hell. No. I'm not giving my phone to anyone else to look at. No A paper in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology from Stanford scientists Mikhail Kosinski and Yilan Wang Describes a machine learning algorithm that can estimate a person's sexuality from a picture I was trained on 35,000 images the algorithm was able to identify a Self-identified gay person from a self-identified straight person in a pair of images So it didn't do as well if you threw a thousand images at it and said identify who's gay and who's straight But if you gave it a pair and said one of these people is straight one is gay So you're giving it some information They were able to pick with 91% accuracy for men and 83% accuracy for women now compared to humans Humans were about close to a coin flip on these so it did much better than a normal human The authors debated releasing the results at all and made it clear in their authors notes on the paper that they Decided to do so in order to make people aware of what machine learning can do and the potential privacy threat there That's so weird. I Wonder how they based the learning off of like how were they able to tell one person from another because yeah So so they were self-identified so they would put a picture in there and the and the machine would know okay This person says they're gay this person says they're straight and then they would look at morphology how the face is constructed expressions and and Decoration like you know beard shapes and and earrings and things like that and the machine doesn't have a stake in the game Right. It's just saying can I find any things there that that indicate? Oh, it's probably this versus that and it was able to do that the machine doesn't have a bias like humanity does and As such they were able to What's that Molly? No, I was just a the humanity in this case did not introduce any bias like it didn't see Any into the data set any notions about gay or how gay or straight people might look It just put in there But I think this is there there is increasingly a conversation a really long overdue conversation about facial recognition, you know, they were there They were talking is it in korea where they were using facial recognition mass scale facial recognition to target individual faces within train stations And that's technology. I mean I did a story For cnet about that. So at least five years ago about how far we've come In facial recognition alone. And then when you layer on this kind of ai Yes, it is the other thing that is notable is that it's 91 accuracy for men and 83 accuracy for women, but the That's a lot wrong, right? So if you're talking about using facial recognition Um for identification purposes and it's wrong 17 percent of the time you start to get some scary false positive Yeah, I mean this is going for a particular characteristic not full-on identification So it's a little bit apples and oranges, but but you're right like this This nine percent of the time did not what was not able to tell The the correct uh distinction so it can have false positives. It could say let's say someone's trying to decide Who's gay and who's straight it could say someone is gay. Who isn't it could say someone who is straight who isn't uh And they could get round up round it up and shot in you know I mean who knows right russia. Where are they doing that? There's the horrible um They're not rounding up people and shooting them in russia But but yes, there are certainly places where it's not safe. I should be a little more accurate But yes certainly places where it is very dangerous. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely and and There's so many ways to go with the story on the one hand. It's fascinating from the perspective of being able to tell Not only based on natural characteristics, but but human characteristics like expressions Something about someone that that I think is great. I think there's all kinds of positive uses for that And there even could be positive uses for it exactly in this Don't forget also that it didn't do well at a mass amount if you just threw all the pictures at it It did much worse at trying to figure out who was who in there It it had to kind of be set up for success with this one or the other situation Moving on camera Moving on camera maker red revealed a strategic partnership with leia ink The company behind the holographic display for the upcoming $1,195 hydrogen one smartphone leia is a spin-off of hp labs. They were founded in 2014 They used a fraction to produce light field illumination with a layer of nanostructures added to a conventional lcd supposedly without affecting battery life or display quality the hydrogen one is supposed to launch in the first half of 2018 So now we know how they do it also leia because help me owe me one come ill be yeah, I love that I know that's a really good nerd shout out. So cute still skeptical I know people have seen it marquez brownlee actually saw it and said it's okay It was a little stuttery and of course he's seeing a pre-release version. So it's not expected to be great Um This is about 1200 bucks though. It's got to work I'm curious if this is going to be the first step that we see towards a new technology That is used in more smartphones in the coming years or if this is just a gimmick that's not going to last Yeah, no, it could be could be that I mean it could be both. It could be a gimmick. That's not gonna last but I'll point the way To the thing that actually will Finally, google is working with the state of florida to mark road closures as they happen on google maps during hurricane urma Google said it will use algorithms and manual updates They are working hand in hand with the state to keep that information current The closures will also appear on the urma crisis map as part of the sos alert on google search And you know, this this is not a tech story, but this hurricane as justin robber young said yesterday is no joke It has already caused devastation on several caribbean islands including st martins and barbuda And it's headed for the florida keys. So It's important to have resources like this Mm-hmm Folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com You can get it as a podcast an amazon echo flash briefing and on the uh anchor app at anchor dot f m Okay So 143 million customers Out of 324 million u.s residents to keep in mind that those 143 million customers are not children And they're not people without credit histories of which there are many So it is a huge percentage of the united states that said it's not every single person that's in the aquifax database Uh because you don't have to be a customer of aquifax to be part of this database They're a credit reporting agency. They have your information If you've transacted business in the united states as a u.s resident There's also the manner of how this was discovered. It was discovered in july on july 29th It apparently had been going on since may there was a private investigation that is now finished and the state and federal authorities are involved Names birth dates social security numbers addresses And some drivers license numbers. We think the drivers license numbers are coming from dispute documents Which had more personal identification about 182 thousand of those were in this breach And 209 thousand u.s credit card numbers were in this breach Shannon What could someone do if they have that information if i'm an attacker who has exfil traded all of this info Is it useful? Oh, yeah Yes, sir. It is Obviously there is the go figure thing where they could open up a new line of credit in your name They could start a new loan in your name Or they could social engineer your bank and start withdrawing money from your accounts by purporting that they are Indeed you they're using your identified viable information to be able to social engineer people over the phone and stuff like that So there is that issue and a lot of people will probably come back and say well, you know You just put a credit freeze on your account. Yes as long as They're not social engineering a bank or something like that which will still be able to create a new You know bank account in your name or something even with that credit freeze in place if they don't check your credit Another thing that they could do is potentially social engineer a Cell phone carrier and be able to recreate a new sim number in a brand new phone And be able to receive two-factor authentication numbers on the attacker's phone as opposed to your phone if they're able to You know be able to transmit That phone number over to a brand new phone That's a serious issue and we've been seeing that attack a lot lately So if they for some reason maybe your cell phone number is out there in the public Now they have your phone number your social security number your address your full name your date of birth They could easily easily social engineer Uh a cell phone carrier employee to be able to get a new sim card made with your same phone number And be able to steal your two-factor authentication numbers and that's a serious problem in the the last few months Not to mention the fact that It's your physical address people now know Easily where you live if you are a celebrity if you're somebody who does a youtube show for example if you are anybody who has some kind of Figurehead if you are out there in some way where people can find you if they know what your name is They could easily just start showing up at your door. There's a lot of potential for Um, obviously the criminal issues here, but there's also potential for people to just dox you Be be able to put your information up online if they wanted to Um, it's a really really serious problem. And that's why we brought in mollywood to talk about it I feel like you to talk in him because you just you know went ahead and scared the crap out of me Which was awesome. Well, I think the other thing No, it's okay because the other thing that's terrifying is is look I mean, we all know that that these sort of identity theft bundles, right? That's like one stop shopping kit for identity theft have been available Uh to people for a long time. Sorry about my slack. I'm trying to make it stop. Um But What is disturbing about getting all of this that long list all in one place is that most of this information Is the information that you would use to verify your identity if you were trying to right say Dispute identity theft or open I had my identity theft stolen actually not longer long after the the target hack and um One of the things they told me it Okay, fun fact the bank Uh that provides the in-store credit cards for fries Is like a little tiny bank in the midwest and they do not they're not having this crap And so they like launch an investigation and track these people down Well, one of the things they told me was that the people who'd opened up these accounts in my name Had my credit history information. They were able to answer the challenge questions So when they got a call to verify my credit, they had all that information at their disposal now These hackers have that same information for 143 additional people assuming they didn't have it already It just goes on and on million additional people. Yeah And uh 143 Million I mean, this is honestly the big thing to me too A sort of setting aside all like setting aside all of the every way that they have technologically bungled this since The almost certain insider trading of the three executives that sold stock before the information about this was revealed is that it is It is absurd to me that in the united states We do not have overarching federal laws that dictate how companies Store and protect the personal information of their customers. Yes. Thank you We should have that that should be there for iot that I mean that should just exist Even if it didn't exist for every other company even if it doesn't exist for facebook There is no earthly reason why it should not exist for credit reporting agencies This is you cannot opt out of this credit is the foundation of your financial life in the united states This potentially affects every single human being with a bank account or like a paycheck and the fact that there are not Bank-level rules for how customer data is treated and how disclosures are handled is a Crime I did not say a bad word, but I wanted to I agree with you. I mean we have we have seen international groups coming together and trying to start forming some kind of laws in place for iot manufacturers but we have not seen the same thing happening for uh for banks and for the credit agencies and Being that aquifax is one of the largest credit agencies in the united states There were even even some canadians that got their information in aquifax Maybe because they married somebody over here Maybe because they came over to open a bank account in the u.s. Who knows? But there's a it doesn't just affect american citizens It also affects people internationally because aquifax is such a large firm Yeah, and these agencies just keep getting hit by the way. This is the second time aquifax has been hacked They all three or they had a subsidiary that did hr payroll and tax and tax services. That was hacked in 2015 I think all three big credit agencies were hacked in 2013 and there's no reason why it won't continue because Well a their treasure troves and b their security and shannon, you can probably test this appears to be Hilarious It appears to be null There is no security there It's null and the the ability for somebody to come in and be able to do some kind of social engineering with this information Is my biggest fear. I was giving tom an example before we started recording where I've had to call up my bank before to verify Some info information with them about one of my accounts. I didn't have my bank account number on hand I didn't have my identification number on hand But I was like well, can I just give you my social security number because that was able to verify my identity over the phone Yes, they do have a phone password in place as well But if somebody has gotten my information off aquifax or if they if I had a publicly facing facebook account They could probably find that information too for any consumers because chances are they use something that's easily memorized Yep And I don't see evidence that aquifax has been or continues to take this as seriously as they need to You you alluded to the fact that the chief financial officer The president of workforce solutions and the president of information solutions all three sold stock on august 1st That's the tuesday after the saturday on which this breach was discovered now aquifax has said they were not aware of the breach If the information solutions president was not aware of this breach by tuesday I think there's a problem at that company right there if they're telling the truth There's a problem that these three people did not know that there was this level of a breach by the tuesday in which they sold their stock If they did know that as aquifax says they didn't Then there's insider trading accusations. So it's bad either way add to that That aquifax security 2017.com which is the good thing that aquifax did they said we're going to set up a site You can go find out if you were in the breach whether you were in the breach or not We're going to give you free credit monitoring for a year which all of that's great Except they ask for your last name and the last six numbers of your social security number That leaves only three to guess and they're running it on stock wordpress They were actually banned by sysco because they had an improperly Unrevocable security certification on the site and the admin's user id was in the source code for a while This was not properly implemented granted. None of these are like critical vulnerabilities But hey if you're asking me for six numbers of my social security number after losing 143 million accounts I want you to be dot in the eyes and crossing the t's on everything from here on out Well, that's just that oh good Oh, that that just makes me so angry that totally grinds my gears is the fact that they had all these vulnerabilities with a website that they had How many months to set up since they've known about the breach before they made it publicly available And yet they still had these vulnerabilities Don't even get me started on the whole thing that could potentially be insider trading However, I do not have any proof that it was such but come on talk about ironic timing there Yeah Yes, I will say it generated my most my most viral tweet ever Like you never know what's gonna, you know, you never know what's gonna be a thing. Um Also, Zach Whitaker from cd net reporting that if you enter test and 1 2 3 4 5 6 on Equifax's hack checker page It says your data has been breached because it would appear that that site which tom really generously characterized as a good thing It would appear that that site only exists To enroll people in Equifax's credit monitoring service their own by the way They did not even go to a third-party credit monitoring service, which at this point I think is almost required and when you sign up For that service the terms of service say that you agree not to sue them or be part of a class action lawsuit Which the new york attorney general's office is already demanding that that language be removed Because a it's insane And b it's unenforceable. Yeah It just goes on and on and on with this company I did try this site out and it told me I was not breached so it obviously is checking something because it's returning two different uh two different Responses depending the fact that test is breached as hilarious because it really is just reading directly out of the database I'm sure there's a test entry in the database that they're that they've got exfiltrated Uh, and the other thing is they have added opt-out information to their terms of service saying you can In 30 days of writing to equifax opt out of that arbitration clause and go back to being able to sue them Or go to small claims court with them But as you said molly, I think that not only the new york states attorney But probably a lot of states attorneys are going to make sure that these terms of service are unenforceable no matter what Oh, yeah, I mean there was a great headline today that said that that that the equifax hack Hack is essentially the only thing that has generated an outpouring of bipartisanship Because look this is this is like We have arrived over and over at the worst case scenario, right? But this is the time when we have really arrived at the worst case scenario. This is this is the inevitable response I mean regulation of credit reporting agencies was totally watered down if not almost stripped out of the To the 2014 dodd frank regulations after the financial crisis like this is the inevitable Conclusion of companies that are out of control because I want to do a whole thing on credit agencies in particular, right? This is that this is such it's always been a black box. They hold the strings to your entire life There is no transparency and apparently no accountability either equifax is stock part of the reason these guys like The most generous interpretation of the stock sale I sound so marketplace right now is that They were they were within their quarterly window to sell Yeah, so the quarterly open on august 26. They were they sold on august 1st or july 26 They sold on august 1st like it's very it's possible that they were even informed that there was a breach somebody had this all in my twitter like there are probably Many many many hack attempts all day every day against artifacts. So maybe best case scenario They had been informed that there was a breach. They didn't know how serious it was They were within their quarterly window to sell and why wouldn't they sell because the stock Has tripled in the last few years tripled. Yeah, these guys are making money handover fist Just just frankly holding every consumer in america hostage I mean I could I could make that scenario work your window opens on the 26th You file the paperwork on friday before you head out on the weekend It doesn't get executed until the following tuesday, right that could happen On the other hand if 143 million if you're aware now, aqua fex says they weren't aware Let's be clear on that. But if you were aware 143 million would be enough for you to go. Hmm Maybe I should stop that sale because that's not gonna look right Right if you're a company with a sense of fiduciary responsibility and accountability to your customers then you stop Any sale of any stock by any executive within that company you freeze it Immediately once you find out that you have been breached, but this is a these are these are companies that Don't care. I mean it has been a trend in america for a long time, but in these ones they don't care I have a question by just checking if you have been affected Uh, do you are you opt out? Can you opt out of that? Or are you already saying that you by checking you cannot sue them? Well, you can still opt out after 30 days now no matter what but yeah, the the words were If you purchase a product or register for a product you can't you have waived your right to sue and you agree to arbitration I don't know that checking is registering but that would be a matter for a court of law. I guess Yeah, my my sense from reading through that was that it wasn't Just checking because what happens is you check you get this big language if you if you have been it says Oh, it looks like you may have been affected continue on with registration for our product Yeah, and I think so I think you're probably on the right side of the auto charge you after a year So if you don't if you don't uh, follow through through the registration Or have you registered? You know for example, uh, again matter for a court of law and whether aquifax wants to fight it. Yeah good question Because it's you probably have to check at terms of service and once you check that terms of service The service are linked at the bottom of every page and you agree to them by using the site So you're already in I mean, I think you're already in and that's what that's what Zach Whitaker was reporting And I really his reporting is outstanding and and yes, I mean those are the terms of service over the page You know lock your credit. We should probably mention as well. Yeah, just like roger said How to protect yourself after this kind of breach does happen because there's only so much faith that we can put in companies to protect our data And us as consumers need to make sure that we're putting in Way more effort than the companies are to protect our own data because they don't care A lot of times with companies we are a number where we are some kind of way for them to make profit For us we have the most value for our own lives Way more than anybody else will so Make sure that you're freezing your accounts if you do have credit With aquifax or with trans union or any of the large agencies make sure that you are freezing all of those So that nobody can open up additional loans or additional credit Lines in your name also make sure that you are using good internet hygiene as well Just you know use password managers use two-factor authentication if you do if you can And if you do have things that you're worried about with social engineering attacks make sure that the Websites the accounts that are most valuable to you make sure you're using proper internet hygiene for those two And maybe even call up the agencies and change your phone passwords or change your two-factor authentication change your pin codes Just do whatever you can to update that information so that The information that was leaked might possibly be old obviously I don't expect anybody to physically move addresses But there are some things that we can do as consumers to update our information and to freeze the Lines of credit that are currently out there That's good If you use any kind of social Um, uh, social networking or media account don't load it with your personal information Yes, don't put a dress. Don't put your phone number Like it's don't take a picture of your flight details because those qr codes are easily hacked Hey, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit and helps us keep up on these We had a lot of great links about this story in our subreddit today Go check them out daily tech news show dot reddit.com and our facebook group facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show We just have one more email before we're out of here, but molly. I know you're you're working on a deadline. Do you need to jump? I Yes, that's what all those slacks were about. I do have to scamper But before I do I hope you'll all listen to my not at all competitive show I just I as of this week I just finished my first week as host of marketplace tech the radio broadcast Uh, and we have a podcast and it is someone asked me on twitter is that could that be called a daily tech news show? Um, but it's a very different approach Whereas tom keeps you updated on the actual events of every single day practically in real time because you guys are amazing with uh, the subreddit and the communication with tom This is more of a of a A dot connecting kind of show. It is a it's a trend show. It's a um, it's a it's complimentary It is complimentary exactly. So I think hopefully if you listen to them both ideally back to back You'll get everything you need. Uh, but please subscribe to the podcast and leave us a review. I'm excited Thank you molly wood for jumping in today. It was great, haven't you? Thanks for letting me rant because god you guys I am heated Ah, we needed molly rattle this one Angry you're like, well, who do we get to berate and browbeat and get something done and a lot of people just As usual no one That's why we have each other thanks again. Uh, and if they want to subscribe to marketplace tech, where should they go? Go to marketplace tech dot org and then uh, you can also of course subscribe on itunes and all the places you podcast Uh Except at the moment google play, which i'm having a big huge fight about man. Tell me about it I've always had I had issues with other podcasts too. So It's yeah, it's a tricky one So everywhere currently except for google play and i'm sorry about that and I hope to get it worked out soon You can manually add it to your to your google system. Yes, but but you just got to know how to do that All right. Thanks again molly. It's not my favorite. Bye Now i'm sorry that we uh, that molly had to go because in our analyst slack today, ohioan big jim jim thatcher Pointed out a bipartisan bill. We were just talking about bipartisanship I bought partisan bill in the ohio senate to make a hundred million dollars available to expand broadband To some of the 300 000 rural ohioans without broadband access so far So good for two years interested groups, uh, and they're targeting this at nonprofits community groups, etc Civil organizations could apply to the state's third frontier program That's a loan program that the state has operated for a while And you could receive five million dollars in grants to help subsidize the cost of an internet Infrastructure roll out and you'd have to show that no commercial service could be or is planned to be brought to an area There's a lot of restrictions. It's really meant to help people who otherwise would not be able to get broadband The groups can be free to install it themselves. There's no restrictions saying they have to hire somebody else to build it Uh, or they can partner with a telco to build it if they want to lawmakers estimate that 14 000 households could receive broadband under the plan So it's not going to cover all 300 000, but it's going to make a start This sounds great, but Jim pointed out that the senators are promising no new taxes would be needed For this funding He supposes that that means that the third frontier program would have to take its existing budget and reallocate it So money used for other programs by third frontier Would be reduced or eliminated and what worries him about that is among those other programs Are two opioid abuse programs and there was just a thing today that heroin use in the united states Is skyrocketing by hundreds of a percent. This is a huge problem not only in ohio, but all across the us so Jim said well, wait a minute. Who sent me this email about this program and and i've checked it out cleveland.com has a Story about it. It's not a spam email, but connect ohio, which is quoted in the cleveland.com Article about this is campaigning for the bill connect ohio is a subsidiary of connect nation Which counts among its advisory council at and t comcast us telecom horizon and the cti a also microsoft i'm not saying that connect ohio or connect nation are in some way nefarious But it definitely is a play to get some money headed the telcos way In order to roll out rural broadband now I I don't have a problem with that if you want to take some some money and say hey We know you wouldn't do this otherwise We're going to give it to community groups who will decide where it goes And then you guys will benefit because they may need to hire you to run this right? That's fine, but if it's taken it away from opioid abuse that would be a problem so Jim's like that is the question He's like I don't know who to ask and where to get an answer on how they're going to get this money without Raising taxes, but it was a really good investigation by big jim Into this email that he got to be like hold on. How is this going to how's this going to work? That's really interesting. I'm glad he I'm glad he also brought up the fact that They said no new taxes would need to be increased which honestly I know it's an unpopular opinion But I feel like if if it's going to help the entire state something like broadband access Which I come from a very small town where we didn't have that we had dial-up for a very long time And it was the worst thing ever when you're in high school and you have dial-up But it was anyway besides the fact I'd be okay with a slight raise of taxes if it meant that I would receive much faster internet Which in in the long term would probably benefit a lot of people In their near futures for their jobs for schooling for education anything like that because so much information is now available on the internets That is very hard to access if you don't have a good internet speed Really curious About where how this is going to be financed the fact that he thinks it's coming from third frontier, but of course that that isn't That isn't proven yet Well, it is coming from third frontier that that part is that part is in the in the proposal the bill text has not been put out So we don't know well. Is this because third frontier is retiring? Maybe one of its entrepreneurial programs, right? And so it'll have some extra money and they won't have to raise the budget that that could be a perfectly innocent explanation We're sunsetting this other program that people weren't really using and it was a waste of money anyway The opioid abuse program is not going to be touched right that that could be the answer But we don't know that's yeah, we don't know and it's always suspicious when someone says no new taxes Like okay, but where is that money coming from because that money was being spent on something before and it's not going to be Spent on that anymore Len i'm actually curious if you know you're in cleveland the cleveland area. Uh, what what do you think about this? I haven't heard anything about it. This is the first time i've heard about it um, I know that uh, there are cities that are trying to get Broadband for every city, but I haven't this is the first I've heard of it. So Well, we'll we'll uh, keep an eye on this I'm I know big jim will be keeping an eye on this for us as well So we'll let you know if we find out an answer to that question Meanwhile, we got a sneak peek there on the video of what you've been drawing Len Yeah, you know, um, I along with molly and everybody else are pretty upset about this I don't know if this drawing is is upset enough about what went on with ecofacts over the past couple months Uh, but this is uh, this is I bought as editorial as I get With my cartoons. Um The cartoon is of course a kind of older ceo Equifax ceo who is having a historically awful security breach pushed into his face by a us consumer and the us consumer is saying Well, according to this your credibility scores hosed along with all our personal data Uh, and I think that's uh, that's how it's uh, that's that's that's how I feel about it Man, this is this is editorial cartoon level stuff here. This is this is really good. You could see this in the sunday paper Yeah, yeah, if there was I have I have to give a shout out. It was nor who came up with the with the credibility score thing That's good. I thought oh, that's really funny. So yeah Uh, so go check this out folks. Len peralta store.com Yes, you can get it right now, uh at the store Or you can if you go to my patreon patreon.com forward slash line become a dts lover level and you get these all Uh as high res uh images Go check it out. Len peralta store.com and take a look. This is a good one. You're not going to want to miss it Shannon morse. Thank you as well. What else do you have going on? Thank you tom. Yeah, that was a super fun main discussion topic today. 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I've always been using any named another security researchers Security number for all these years Anytime something bad happens. I tweet about it and then my my friends who are like Like they work for agencies. They're like who messed up who did something to you and I'm just like, oh, it's okay If somebody did like end up doxing me or something. I'd be like, here's their info. I've got a posse. Yeah, have fun fbi all my information so much Equal facts really grind shenan's gears equop ellipse Amish broadband we're all equal faxed Equa fuck. Oh man. So many good Roger Sorry So many good equal ones Just do equal hacks and I won't say any offending words Oh, you were you were reading bio cows, weren't you? Yes. I was reading the last one. You have to think about what you're reading You know what bio cow needs to I just read what people take in front of me You got you got you Ron burgundy them bio cow No, seriously if you can try to just lock down your credit report Which is I run any because yes that is good blanket advice If you only have a short amount of time to tell someone some advice There are reasons why you wouldn't want to do that in which case it gets more complicated You know so you're in the middle of buying a house for instance So yeah, so I mean so this is my experience Yes for things but typically for for example, let's take a house I actively called the the mortgage broker and it's like when you're done I'm gonna call you back in two days if you're done with it. I'm going to relock My credit report and they and I call them they said we're all good It's all been approved and I locked it right right then and there It's it's really one of those things we need to be pro No, that's the thing I'm saying is you know, you you may need to unlock it In which case unlock it and then go back and relock it and that will cost money to Unfreeze it and then relock it again, but it's a it costs a lot less than having your identity stolen. Well, it's a big, you know Ironically enough. I actually have an Equifax account like just credit monitoring So you need to be concerned the other thing is I know it's 143 million people So a lot of you need to be concerned, but you know make up your own mind Look and see was I affected check it out Maybe even call them if you don't trust that website, which is kind of untrustworthy And then and then decide okay if I was affected. How worried am I? What are the things I need to protect? Do I have the money to to freeze it? You know Or do I take some of these other measures that Shannon was mentioning and then leave it at that? Like everybody's going to have a different approach But freezing it isn't ridiculously expensive and it's the simplest thing you can do It would I will say it will save you a lot of grief Uh, especially because I've I've been in circumstances where people have tried to basically open the account under my name And that's why I started freezing my accounts. I was lucky because the store called me like Somebody opened up a Verizon account under my name and I got a bill in the mail and I was like, uh Hey guys, and then they were like, oh Somebody probably just stole your info and I was like That's kind of serious. Why are you just saying? Oh, it's okay. It's not okay. It's just people stealing your info happens every day Yeah Ironically mine currently is not frozen because I was opening up a new account somewhere. So I was just like Great timing. Just great timing Well, you can re-freeze now. Yep, I guess I'll have to You know, my I was thinking about uh, this breach when we were talking about one of the uses of it being Uh, the challenge questions where they're like, which of the following is an address that you previously lived at, right? When I first signed up for a cell phone. So this was 2000 I think 2001 maybe probably 2000. No, it was 2000 I was I was getting a a sprint cell phone at a radio shack. So that tells you Right there. How long ago was it when was singular? Uh, and yeah, I was uh, I think I was getting a Is it getting a scene? No, it was getting sprint. You're right. Never mind. Um, so I was getting I was signing up and so the clerk is on the phone with the credit agency to make sure they can give me this and they're like What's uh, what's one of your previous addresses? And I move around so often and I'm like, yeah, well, I don't know, uh, try this one They're like, nope Like what about this one? Nope. Like I couldn't remember all my previous addresses. So I'm not sure which one they had Uh, it was a real pain. I I have like eight. I have eight addresses depending on what part of my life you pick Oh, I have way more than that. I'm not even talking about like anything pre 2000 it's just to have there's a lot and so Um, it's just I'm not sure if that helps or hinders me. Yeah, I don't know Well, I was thinking like if they get a hold of my full credit report, they probably have all those addresses right there in front of them like Makes it easier Yeah, I already I already got my first free credit report for the year. So What's your score? I wasn't expecting it He's bragging Yeah, we did as soon as he started with 800. I'm like, oh, I'd probably say it too You jerk. No, I would say I would have no, I would say it would have like 400 or something then no one would want to Yeah, exactly. That's like I have horrible credit. Don't try to open anything 200 no two scores two two I got a log off. I have to record a bunch of Thank you so much. Bye everybody. Disneyland next week. Yay Have fun. All right. Y'all take care. Bye. See you later. Bye And then there was us Roger Chang Just me you and your 180 credit score Yeah, yeah You know The thing about hey Our credit system is so weird Like your your credit score isn't based on really how much you earn It's based on how much you can when how much monthly payment you can afford to make How much monthly payment they believe you can handle Because it's not even about It's not it's not about money or money in the bank. It's about history Like oh, he's generally been able to pay off things over time So if you pay him off too soon, then that's a lower credit score because you're like He paid it off real quick. Maybe, you know, maybe he can't sustain payments They want people who can sustain payments for a long time. I have pretty good credit. I think I don't know I don't bother looking at the score anymore I mean if you're if you don't actively need to The only reason I find credit reports good is to see if someone's open account under your name Well, that's different than credit score though. Those are two different. Oh, no. Yeah. No, I mean a credit report. I'm sorry. Yeah Where is Well, listen folks, we're gonna let you all get back to your weekends. Thanks for hanging out with us I hope you had a good time Thank you. Thank you. Thank you one week into the patreon for getting us so close Uh, I feel pretty good about it. But again, if you are someone who's been thinking, oh, great. I need to do that Just a dollar. That's all if we if we get 1500 of you pledge a dollar right now that is like 10% less than 10% of the audience Boom, we're in we're done. So, uh, thank you. Thank you. 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