 It's abuse of animals. Yes. It's like the taste of animal abuse. They get shot in the head and slashed across the throat. I want to join this with you, man. I want to brainstorm with you. Yeah, lots of people talking to each other. They're walking past reading the sign and talking to each other. Because the sign is very accusatory, isn't it? Which is how I designed it. To place blame on people. So that they feel accountable. And that it strikes up conversation. I can explain to them why. People are shaking their heads at the sign. But they're completely responsible for it. It's like without all these people, who's going to buy the slaughter? Disagree. You don't agree, mate? Why not? Come and talk? You're a farmer. So you don't abuse animals? There's a distinction between a farmer and an animal exploiter. We should make that. If you farm plants, it's different. Obviously, very different. Potatoes cannot be enslaved. Disagree? Probably agree. Probably agree. Agree? Don't agree? You agree? Why didn't he come and try to attack me? This approach should be making people attack me. I'm just telling people what they already know. It's been enough media about this in Australia. They've seen enough factory farm investigations, the exposays. Come on, you have to have seen it at least once in the media. Come on, speed up. There's levels to directness. Isn't there? When you start talking about minerals in here somewhere down the line 50 years ago, like it's not as direct as paying someone to stab someone, like that's direct. When I say, hey, if I pay someone to hurt you right now, who's the abuser? Gangsters do that all the time. They pay other people to do the hits for them. They go down for the murder. Hello. Sorry, I actually am vegan. You are? My question is, I actually do have my own chickens. I don't eat the eggs because I actually am vegan. But my thing is, why I'm not actually vegan for animal. Well, obviously I am for animal rights. You're not vegan for animals? Yeah, of course I am. But I'm more environmentally. So I think that if the way it is, you're not going to be able to change people's mind by like sitting down and like forcing it in their face. Have you got evidence for that? What? Do you have evidence for saying I can't change people's mind? No. How people is making them instead of forcing it like on them. You need to give them like, I don't know, I think just, because obviously I want the world to be vegan. Why did you go vegan? Because of the mass amounts of like environmental like impacts our agriculture has on the environment. So obviously like destruction of environment itself, land clearing, pollution in the atmosphere. So you went plant based for those reasons. You know vegans to do with animal exploitation? And if you let me finish. And also because obviously I don't like, I don't really want to watch it because it's just, yeah, I know, I know. But I think that with this, you, I think it helps if you take kind of more of like a well rounded approach instead of forcing on a people, because that's how veganism gets a bad name, because they think people are just like angry, like vegans are like, ugh. How many people? About five years. You've been an activist? I wouldn't call myself an activist. I'm an animal rights activist. Do you know what that is? You fight for animal rights. I fight for the rights of animals, okay? That are being abused and tortured and killed. Because for these animals, they don't know about the environment. All they know is they're being tortured and killed, okay? And like, you might say to me like, oh Joey, this is forcing things on people. And then they're forced into a slaughterhouse to be killed as well. So, if you think my approach might be a bit forward, that's because what's happening to animals is absolutely cruel and abusive. You might shelter yourself from that. But I witness it every single day, which is why I'm upset about it. Honestly, I think you're doing such an amazing thing. I wish I could be doing what you're doing. Why don't you? Well, I'm currently at uni trying to do it. Because it's a hard job, isn't it? And because you said that I make veganism look bad. No, you don't make it look bad. I just think if you look at, especially, not to like discriminate here, but against like an older stereotype, they're so kind of set in their way. So I think that you need to, you don't need to, but I think, and like from different inputs from other people, people kind of take on things differently if you're kind of, instead of having... Have you ever converted an old person who's set in their ways? I'd say I have my grandparents, but I haven't really tried if I'm honest. Have you ever converted them because of, to veganism? Your grandparents? One of them anyway. Well, if you don't have much experience with people who are set in their ways, I do. And you know nothing can change them. You come up to them, be polite, they'll tell you to f**k off. I'll come up to them and say, hey, you're abusing animals, they'll tell me to f**k off. Yeah, but I think they're just going to hate you now if you're just like, do it. Well, the thing is like, what makes veganism look bad? Like, I'm opposing this, okay? I'm coming up to me and trying to justify this horrible abuse. Now, what type of respect should I give to someone who's standing here saying, I don't care about that, I don't care about that animal? Do you want me to be like, huh, I love you. Thank you for paying for this abuse. You know, like, it's easy to say, and I'm not being judgmental here, it's easy to say when you shelter yourself from this and to tell me I'm making veganism look bad by my approach, when you haven't been on the front lines for five years, debating people who will tell you to f**k off, no matter what you do. Come back, I've given out vegan burgers, I love you please, begged, pleaded. The bottom line is, the more people that become accountable for this, the better. And some people have a soft heart like you, and they're the people I want to reach. Not everyone does. Some people want to punch me in the face. I witnessed that, sorry. So, you might say, oh, face value, you're making me look bad, or this is bad, vegans are going to get a bad rep. No, no, what has a bad rep is animal agriculture. People might want to blame me for that, but they should just look in the mirror and say I should stop funding it. No, I completely agree. I just want what you are like, obviously your career, I want it to work. I want it to work so bad, but I just think people don't, obviously this is not your fault. People just don't react well. If I'm like, stop wearing black, looks so s**t, you know, it's kind of me being like, really hard, and you're probably just like, if I want to wear black, just... Do you know any young children? I actually don't know. How old are you? I'm 18. Let's just say there's some kids over there being abused by someone. How do you stop him? Obviously I'd go off and be like, stop. Do you say, hey, I love you, what about the environment? Yeah, no, I know what you mean. Put children in place of these animals and you tell me how I should approach people who think this is okay and laugh at me. Yeah. So you're not seeing it from the animal's point of view, you're seeing me a little while too. When you start seeing it from the victim's perspective, okay, you put yourself in those cages. Do you want me defending you or do you want me to go, hey, what about the environment? No, I understand completely. I'm not trying to degrade what you're doing. I think it's amazing. Because you don't have experience like I do in this. So you might go, well, maybe this is a better way. Is it? I don't know. It's really horrible. Yeah, 100% I agree. And these same people here scream bloody murder when a dog gets abused. Scream bloody murder when a kid gets abused. That's the worst. So I can't scream bloody murder when an animal's been abused? Yeah. No, you've changed my mind. Just think about it from their perspective. Don't worry about me. You can hate me. I'm saying you do. You can hate me. Look at it from their perspective. Defend it from their perspective. You can't even look at them. Yeah, I know. I don't want to look at them. I'm trying not to. So, okay. I appreciate you sitting down and really you're 18 and you might not have... I've been on the front lines a lot. And what I've learnt is it doesn't matter how you act. People are either ready to hear this or they're not. Now people have come up to me and gone, oh my god, thank you so much. You know, I've turned lots of people vegan. Got many vegans to be activists. People are either going to fight me because they don't want to change or they're going to accept what I'm saying and go, thank you for being truthful with me. Thank you so much. Please stop buying animal products. Hello, how are you? I really have you. What's your name? Karen. Oh, excellent. Oh, that's good. What do you think about this table? I think it's great. You think it's true? Yeah. Hey buddy, how are you? Thanks brother. Peace mate. Another one who's on board. Yeah, I'm trying to go with the more direct. Yeah, you're really good at it. I'd like to learn more from you so just keep watching. Everyone has their own way. You might be a bit more shy than me. Do you want to pack up?