 We just wanted to hear from you on your views on the president's approach. What is your take away from it? First thing first, I think the approach matters. The president came to address, according to what he called 8, he came to address the house on national values and many other. And there are a lot of things that are linked to national values. But I think I'm getting worried about the approach that he always uses whenever he comes to the house. He has got a veggian stone when he has to talk about the past always, what happened and you know, I think that for now the president should address that one because he's a Republican president. And I think he's a president for everybody. He should not use discriminatory language which divides in citizens into angels and sinners. I think that language he should dump it. My expectations from the president was that I wanted him to talk about, to link the national values, to link devices to the cost of living because these things are interlinked. When you talk about the cost of living, you are talking about the cost of fuel, you are talking about the cost of Miu Miu, you are talking about the cost of other essential commodities. And for some of the citizens to acquire those survival, especially Fijorotikoniks, for them to eat, for them to have shelter and the like, they are ventured in different devices. It's not because of their fault, it's because the environment is so tough and there is no money in circulation, jobs are few and economic opportunities are few. And I think what I expected is the president to when he was addressing for instance the national alcohol policy. When addressing the national alcohol policy and how they are implementing, he talked about awareness, where they have reached out to 500 something. That's my unique number considering the people because what I expected from the president is to give us an estimation of people, especially juveniles, who are consuming alcohol, who are underage. And then from there you would have chandout a statistic of how are we reaching out to those juveniles. Because to me they have not yet developed a strong psychological reparant for alcohol and other vices. Because alcohol introduces juvenile to testing other drugs. We have seen that here in Alban areas where we find that the people that have gone to take alcohol have been introduced to things like Shisha and I think that is also a secondary drug that they are taking apart from alcohol being a primary drug. And out of that the behavior is compromised. For instance we have a rise in HIV statistics which has not mentioned among the young people, especially those between 15 to 24. There is a rise and there is no one who can debate about that. That particular trend, especially that we have made eight ways in terms of defeating HIV and AIDS and we have got in 1990, now it's 1995, 1995 formula. The president would have drawn attention that since alcohol is a facilitator to maybe other vices and other behaviors like sexual sex and many other factors would have blocked in that question to address how alcohol, if it's not proper ando, they were just talking about the alcohol policy in space in the version. He needed to put a human face to it so that it has a trickle-down effect in terms of impact. And apart from that, I also expected the president to see how are the young people surviving in terms of the cost of living because they are not jobs. Yes, in as far as we have employed 3,000 teachers, in as far as we have employed 11,000 health workers and the like, there is this space that has not been filled where a lot of young people expected that the coming in of a new government. That's why they even voted. Actually when you look at the numbers of 2.8 million versus 1.8 million, the majority of those are not necessarily their members. Young people that possibly were expressing hope that should we have a new government, possibly issues of unemployment which were created and started during the issue of privatizing of companies 225 plus companies that were privatized and from that time Zambia collapsed and unemployment crept in. Now the population that is increasing, the president himself talked about 19 million almost and if the population is 19 million and plus, the majority of that number should be young people and to me the focus should be young people. If we are talking about economics lettuce factor in young people, even when we are talking about economic governance, it's in this array as we speak, arresting the 9.29 inflation rate. The dollar is one of the fundamental indicators dollar versus kwacha relationship. The dollar versus kwacha is bad, the essential commodity index plus is bad. Those are real issues. It's not about to store what and so forth and the like. This picture will not make us survive for too long. What Zambians want is to deliver. We need to deliver essential commodities prices so that we arrest and now we can do that is making sure that we invest in the farming sector, the agriculture sector. So that once we are producing enough soybeans, once we are producing enough ground nuts, once we are producing enough sunflower, we are going to arrest the prices of variable oils cooking oil go down. Then when we're looking at maize, currently we have a problem where even the fertilizer that was applied is giving problems with him, it's not proper interacting with the maize. Maize we should not just look at the component of miyumiyu, no. From maize we have byproducts like fish feed, we have byproducts like chicken feed, meaning that if we just look at miyumiyu and we want to reduce the price of miyumiyu, are we looking at the price of fish feed which has a bearing on the chicken, which has bearing on the fish that we consume. And if you have wubunga, you also need to know that there is redish, that should come in the question. So how is he doing all these factors? So let us not get excited with some vapor speeches and vacuum speeches. Yes. Good afternoon Honourable. Good afternoon. Homa Minister of Homa Affairs, Honourable Stephen Kampiungo, who is a member of parliament for shuangandu constituency. Honourable, the president touched a number of things this morning and one of the things that he touched on was the issue of the CDF. He did mention that all constituencies have received the CDF. Just to comment on that one and also the public order act, the patriotic front had started the process of the public order act. He has aged all of you to unite and ensure that this passes once it is brought back to parliament. I would like your comment on these two issues. I will start with the last aspect of unity in diversity. Is the way to go? I mean Zambia has been a united nation since independence and we expect it to continue to be like that. But when we start seeing certain trends that are pointing to aspects of tribalism, we have got every right to get concerned. You have seen the lists of people appointed to public offices circulating in the media and both social media, they start breeding discontentment. And so we would like the president to work the talk on such issues. It shouldn't just be lamentations. His speeches must be backed by action. And not cosmetic action. That is done to just show that we are doing something to address that aspect of tribalism. But it must be actual action, affirmative action for that matter. Yeah, now coming back to the issues, I'm sure you must have seen the reactions. You must have read the reactions from the honorable members, especially on the left side of the house when he said CDF has been implemented in full. Members reacted like that because they know what they have been receiving in trenches. And some constituents did receive the O25 million as it were. And so those are the reactions you saw from members saying, look, yes, the CDF is there. CDF has always been there. And most of us who are old members of parliament have done significant things even with the figures that were there in the past. So going forward, we want to see more independence in terms of dispersing this fund. We are waiting to see the law they are trying to bring insofar CDF is consent. They are trying to repeal and revise the CDF act. So we have been requested to make submissions. We want to make sure that central government remains the central government, local government as local government. We don't expect that kind of interference. The local authorities need to just be capacitated so that they can implement the projects that are recommended to them by the CDF committees in various constituencies. So its displacement of funds must be done at once so that the projects are done. But what we have seen again is this centralized way of doing things where the ministry continues to send circulars of what needs to be done. Out of the CDF you must buy this, you must do that, you must build a house for the chiefs. So in short, there seems to be a job by government to use CDF as an implementing tool for the decentralization policy which is a standalone policy. And if it's implemented, we don't mind as honorable members of parliament receiving even lesser, much lesser funds. Because when centralized governance functions are implemented and matching resources are given, we don't need to have this burden as members of parliament to do with all the development that is required in a constituency. So we want the government to be decisive on the implementation of decentralization policy. It is well structured and once it is done, matching resources given to the structures of government, the CDF issue will neither be here nor there. So that's my comment on the CDF. You talked about the public order. Correct like you said, it is working in progress. It should be working in progress because a lot of work was done with the same stakeholders they are consulting and the same stakeholders that were consulted even at that point. Interparamental union was involved. They okayed the document. I brought the draft bill which went up to the second reading. It was only deferred at the request of our colleagues then in opposition. And precisely the current means of home affairs is the one that requested for the deferment so that we could deal with the constitutional amendments first before we could get to the public order. So that's where we are. Let them just bring it, we shall see. And it's something that is going to be supported because it's not for us only. It's for the members of the public. And the president spoke as former minister of home affairs. The president spoke about the prisons and how his government has responded to the needs for bank beds and so forth and so on. How does that make you feel as a minister of home affairs? Are you patting him on the back for science? The first before I speak about the correction service is talked about the abolition of the death penalty. We cannot say we have abolished the death penalty when but three of the old constitution still stands as it is because the death penalty is all the subsidiary registration that has been dealt with, the CPC, criminal procedure code. We are driving their provisions from the constitution, which is part three. So if we leave the constitution as it is, we can't claim to have abolished the death penalty. So it has to be amended? It has to be amended. And as long as it stands as it is, that's why we as government then couldn't vote for either death penalty or against at the United Nations. Why? Because we have had it on the statutes despite observing the moritorium. The moritorium has been observed since 1997 when the last death warrant was signed by the then President Chiluba. All the successive presidents, President Manawasa, President Rupia Banda, including President Lungu, never signed any death warrant. So there has been this moritorium, which means all those that were on death row have only their sentences commuted to life imprisonment. It's not the first time the president should know, should know. It's not the first time that those powers were being used when we say no, we commuted, commutations have always been there before and the previous presidents have done that before. So it's important to acknowledge what others have done as you are priding yourself for what you are doing. So there lies the problem. Until we deal with patri, then we can say we have done away with it completely. That's what I guess about death penalty. Correction service. What are you calling correction service now? Why? Because there has been a lot of work, a drastic shift from prisons to correction services. We passed the laws here and then we made sure that we embarked on what I would call physical transformation. Today, you have seen the location of inmates from Kamala Ruman Prison because we have left new facilities in Mombesha. Bigger facilities. You go there, it's a marvel and it's always important to appreciate these things. So those mattresses and backabits are going to be bought because they are facilities that are new where they are going, which we left behind. It was something that I think historically we should pride ourselves that we are the first government to open doors to new correction facilities since independence. I would have loved the president to remove himself from that debate because he was trying to attach emotions and put himself in the debate as he was talking about the correction facilities. I mean we are the mandalas of this world and you saw what they left behind after the incarceration for many years. No one wants to arrest people who have put them behind bars. We are not complaining. We have been arrested before. We have been tried long months. We are not complaining. We have understood that they are applying the law as it were. So the president must remove his emotional personal emotions when he is talking about this matter so that we can appreciate his discourse. But otherwise we acknowledge the procurement of mattresses because the facilities we left require mattresses. Now the service is attractive. If you see the men and women working for the correction service now it's attractive. They have got accommodation that was not there before. The uniforms, the equipment for farming which then helps in transforming offenders into law abiding citizens should they be given chance to come to society. This is the work that we did and the record is there. So we acknowledge the mattresses. We wish we could have talked about starting another new facility somewhere of the correction service so that the congestion that has been there historically can not be eradicated. Thank you so much. It's been a pleasure chatting with you. But lastly the president wanted to attempt when we talk about dignity what it defines a human being is how you as a family are looking after yourselves. The key issue is the stomach. There's no human being who claim to be in dignity without food. Food destabilizes nations and so the president must apply his mind and his government should apply their mind on how they are going to ensure that there's food security. We didn't condemn them for exporting but we told them that you can only export when you have got surplus. That was our contention. When we told them that don't export the maize before you know what it takes to produce this maize we knew what was going to happen because we have been in government before. Here we are today. We opened the borders exported maize now we don't have maize to give the millers. We don't have maize to give the nation service plants that we left behind to mitigate the food challenges. So these are issues that we should have spoken to. Njala Njala removes dignity from people. It removes dignity from people. So as we talk about how we should live as families why are we having so many street children? There are so many street kids that are not supposed to be on the street. You go to a few round about their see how the chaps are jumping in the fountain there as they swimming pool. They have run away from homes there is no food. They are coming to beg from the street. So we need to have collected efforts. We agree with them to deal with these issues but let's do things right as he says himself. You can't export before you know what you have. Now you have seen the sky locating of prices of minimum even when the president the vice president says the correct thing about diet it's misunderstood because it said at a wrong time if it was at a right when people can afford lower meal and breakfast then people understand it in a proper context. So these are the issues that we need to deal with so that the dignity of people is appreciated.