 Yeah, I'm in the courtroom. I'm crying. You know they're saying, oh, you've got to go to Stamford House Secure unit, which is on Gold Oak Road, Shepard's Portion That was my first taste of of real of prison because you're not allowed to to leave there or nothing. It's like a a prison but a schoolboy prison. Yeah and People like Chrissy Eubank were there. Hope was class. He protected me. Yeah. I liked him He's always laugh when he's to see me because I was so small because we used to go on the football pitch and Mr. Simons He was there and even they they wanted me to play for their For their team as well, but yeah three months there A bit of a cry, baby Because there was all other little children there that were in for burglaries and robberies early on and I was only in I was not only in but I was in for for such a thing, but I never really used to talk about a crime I didn't didn't really want no one to know about it and It's funny that he died the geezer Later on a few weeks from from a head injury or something. I remember his name But not because of me but you know He died but obviously He's an abuser as well because he attacked me and threw me out the the thing. He might have been not the one that was doing stuff to me But you know, I got to Stanford House and You know my first taste but I was weak then small I tried to run away a couple of times they put me in this little block thing Because they had those little like a wooden bed, but it was like a cell door. That's like at 12 13 Um James and then they said oh, we're not going to send you to an approved school this time We're going to send you to another children's home and I was over the moon because I was too scared to go to an approved school But I got children's home in Mozart state and The school wouldn't have me back So I lost out on that I was like to mention my school teacher. Everybody was scared of miss Harding an old lady. Everybody was frightened of her She used to always come to the children's home on Easter and Christmas and bring me presents with her Army husband and I used to think she was a bad woman But I realized now in later life that really she felt What I couldn't see Do you see what I mean and that's another angel that I look at that I didn't see the nice hide when she used to come because she Weren't my mum I just think oh, I don't want her to come but you'd have been scared of any adult at that time That you weren't getting try to get manipulated again and Buried and abused so you'd have been fearful anyone that came into your life, especially the ones who were good Yeah That you'd have questioned everything probably even to this day your question everything but yeah to be then you'd have been Probably scared. Yeah. She was actually trying to help you. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Good one James Hey, James and then after Samford House order the Mozart because this is my fondest ever memories living in Mozart Not um listen green and labyrinth grove and because that was where I met all the young burglars and good ones If you like I know like bad now, but you know back then the west london lot were a bit more Swarv and a bit more swag if you like then The rest of the areas people might be open to debate, but you know, we were surrounded by A lot of nice places where you could steal and get decent money from quite early But scared it at Christchewbank. It shows you he channeled his anger and aggression down the boxing route Yeah, it came one of the greatest boxers. Yeah, do not mean it's In life, it's crazy how we channel things and see things differently and Where we get we're kicked from where we get we're adrenaline rushes. He was obviously blessed He had a talent and he's used it. They probably still got that trusty. I think people Don't really understand his character. He's got a phenomenal story So he has this it's very deep and I spoke to him a couple of times and I try to get him on the podcast But people see him as he's like a character. He's like a Disney character When you break all that shit down man, he's actually a good guy because I know the guy Was it Michael Watson? I think he was boxing and ended his career, but he does a lot of charity work still, I think for For him He was big for his age James Or unless it was because I was small and I was getting bullied by some geezer called Morris Lewis How do you remember their names? Because I'm folk with dates timed being out At what prisons I went to it's all Clocked into my mind. Yeah, because that's all I've ever done. What happened with the bully He said leave him alone and they were head to head He said leave leave Sammy alone and he was sticking up for me and you know, it all got stopped and everything But I remember that bit and yeah once I got to Mozart Um, it all started