 Yeah, when have we ever been professional where do you think we are this is the professional podcast Oh wait, I just said that like as I went live. So that's probably people who like that's the title now. It's like, no, no, no, no The standard for which every podcast should be judged Yeah, um, did you like Aquaman uh weekend warrior? Yes, I did Oh, no, oh boy. Well, here's the thing. I talked to Fringy this morning because he saw it and He was like, I hated it and I wanted to like kiss him because I was like, I Thank you. Thank you. I'm not the only one who thinks this movie is terrible. I can't wait Actually, since we're doing it right now, I'll just say it right now and then I'll reiterate it toward the end of the video I have written today Almost two and a half thousand words for a script. Oh, geez. Oh A thousand I thought it was way more than that Well, no, I think I said like 1500 for you. You said 15,000 to me. That's why Oh, god, I'm just I'm thinking the wrong thing 25,000 is what I meant to say. Holy Oh, yeah. Well, my script is 25 million Dude, I mean, do you know how long that's gonna be if that's I mean, I mean I genuinely hate this movie to the core of my soul I think everyone that watched aquaman and came away with a positive view of it beyond just I thought it was funny was like Lying to themselves. Oh my okay. I genuinely despise the film And I was like on a roll today like since I woke up I was just like I need to knock this thing out and then I just kept going so you're up to 25k Oh, I'm almost done with it. I'm probably it's probably gonna lower once I like I said I don't know about you my ratio is for every 5,000 words. I take about half an hour Yeah, for me. It's like 10,000 is an hour Yeah, wow, that's that's kind of the same. That's the exact same That means you might be making a two to hot. That's like beyond the just a Review rad. That's like an actual fucking breakdown Yeah, it's because every single scene has something so fundamentally wrong with it that it may be Want to claw my eyes out the whole time I was watching it and then I watched it again And all the funniness that I saw from like the first time I went through because it was hilarious the first time I watched it But then the second time I just wanted to die internally Oh, you watched it again Yeah, because I was because the first time I watched it I was like that sucks and then I went home and I like looked at all the reviews and everyone was like This movie's awesome and I was like did I miss something? And so I went back again and I hated it more than I did the first time And then I torrented it to make sure I was getting everything correct It's like every couple seconds. I'm pausing it and I'm like, I hate this. I hate this. I hate this. I hate this so We'll see you say fulfilling life. Yeah, it's gonna be like easily a two hour video on Aquaman It's like so I just hate it. I hate it so much I mean that Well, I saw a description on twitter about it. It's like either the best worst movie or the Worst best movie someone said it on twitter. I saw it in the feed. It's one of those two people try to figure out Yeah, you know, it's exactly like It's a like a lot like uh the force awakens You know, everyone liked it when it came out, but when you really dig into it, it doesn't make any sense at all Oh, yeah It's exactly like that and it's like nothing makes sense in this movie. Nothing is explained How does it rank with the dcu? Oh, um, not as bad as Suicide Squad not as bad as Justice League Um, maybe a little I don't know I want to say it's on par because it's not as insufferable as bvs Yeah, I wouldn't call it. I would still say Wonder Woman's probably the best and I say best with giant quotations around them but even then it's like Uh Like I wanted I wanted to come back to youtube like with a happy video because I was working on I was working on that lord of the rings analysis and I was like, I want to be positive But this movie's like driven me up the wall with how much I hate it Don't worry. Your sadness will bring us joy. So Yeah, and then you're gonna make a happy video. Someone said Aquaman sucked But I would suck Aquaman to be honest. That's yeah, I think yeah, that's a fair assessment Jason Mamoa is a pretty attractive man too bad. He's not in anything good ever Except for the first season of Game of Thrones and then he died Even then looking back, I feel like they should have kept him for a little longer Yeah Make me care about him and Daenerys a bit longer than how quick Nope, he's gone Yeah, but uh Aquaman is finding Jiroko I like it Welcome to every frame of Paul's episode 21. We're here with our special guest rags Hello, hi everybody I was asked to come back today because you couldn't Get enough of me exactly. Uh, and then our regular host weekend warrior say hello Hello He's so glad to be here Yeah, I mean this first time you've been able to to meet us three right rags. How you feeling? Well, I've heard a lot about you guys Most of it's pretty awful. I've heard that you guys are really mean and cruel And I heard that you guys don't let anybody have any opinions ever. Is that an opinion? Absolutely not No, they say that as a matter of fact. Oh, it's an objective statement smaller. Yeah, Jesus Christ. He's like What's hanging? We all weave. Yeah, also there's wolf. I guess Who yeah the guy, I don't know. Oh, hi. I don't know him. Yeah, this is new pfp and it's horrible. I hate it Yeah Well, maybe you should zoom it a bit more on the fucking pfp. Look at all the negative space It's not negative if it's blue and red and it has sparks behind it. Look at the not positive space That's a that's a regular trust me. I gotta say I like the new logo I mean, it's cool. Yeah, I like yours as well. We can more. Yeah, I think it's shit Yeah This guy's controversial. Why did why did everyone demand we bring rags on the fuck guys? I don't understand also Everything you love is awful You're objectively wrong what we do on this podcast is celebrate other videos and now you're ruining it By bringing in this negativity. Oh, this is a podcast about enjoying other people's content. Yes. Yes exactly In fairness the latest podcast we did was a positive ish one It was kind of not that I know because I wasn't there as this is my first guest appearance. Yes Yes, of course, definitely your first appearance. Mm-hmm So, um, yeah, uh, this is this is the roster. I am so sorry. Um This is this is a comment from from the previous one. I'm not gonna be able to really talk on this I think wolf is probably the best person if if whoever here knows harry potter better But we made some correction about the whole time turner thing And uh And we will just like shitting on it and there's some guys said um as someone who isn't a fan of harry potter I feel I need to defend the time turner or time travel I always hear things like why doesn't harry use it to save his dad slash kill voldemort And it's such a dumb statement voldemort is alive in the present Which means that any attempt would fail since the time turner does not change the past it merely puts it wasn't Wasn't harry and looping alive in the present too. So they could just like this doesn't make sense I have no idea. Is this guy I will say this I will say this disclaimer I haven't read the book since I was in elementary school. So we're talking like 12 years. Well, either way, so I'm going off of the movies We'll get this out for the people who may have disagreed so that they can at least know that we've heard this So change the past it merely puts someone in the past for five hours Everything a person does in the past has already happened the first time around That's why in the book harry's able to cast a patronus when he needed to do so He saw himself In the past do it and realize that it had to be him when he eventually arrives to that situation But he thought it was the answer So the answer to our comment is that oh no, it's a time paradox I mean From what I understand. I think the guy is saying that like it's all already happened Um, but I still yeah, what he's saying To my understanding based on how he's phrased it Is that if you go back in time, but you can't change anything But the reason you're going back in time is because of events That only happened because you went back in time to do them That's an infinite regress that does not have a beginning. It's it's a time paradox Yeah, that's some weird loop I don't know. I need to really think about it longer to figure out the contradictions. Exactly This is why generally people go with the alternate timeline stuff or you can change You know, you can change the past and then it splits from there Yeah, but then we get terminator genesis and we don't want that the guy did say I mean fuck if you're gonna complain about the plot devices in harry potter the fucking potion that turns you into Something else is far more op And no, I think no, I think the power to travel through time is more advantageous than changing your appearance Yeah, I need to see them to comment on that That requires so much you need to require the hair of the person You want to transform into to make sure that person you want to transform into isn't around to interfere with you And then it only lasts for a limited amount of time. That's not okay There's a lot of rules to it. I'm trying to think of applications, but I can't remember the rules on it So I'd have to I have to I mean in fairness in fairness the last time I watched harry potter was two years ago And I haven't read the books in 12 years. So I my knowledge is probably very limited in this. I'm just going purely off of memory But I think it's just safe to say if you're writing a story Stay away from time travel because it almost always box things up Yes, if you if you're gonna do time travel you have to be very explicit about the rules where We've created an alternate timeline which is separate from our own Which is why you can have changes that exist and stuff like that The second you send, you know, john back in universe a it becomes universe b the second He does and he's essentially cloned himself into universe b is probably how I would do it And then everything runs from there onwards and the universe a is just irrelevant. We'll never see that again um But then that suggests the time travel creates alternate universes and I'm just like I give up If you're gonna make time travel, I think you need to build your story from the get go Assuming it so that you don't have to look back and go oh fuck, but now this happens and now that's oh, shit If I may add something There's a new more op power that jk ralings had That wizards had when they poop And the poop disappears What Yeah, I don't know that She tweeted out something or is this real I don't understand The poop disappears Yeah, yeah, I went in the medieval ages. What what wizards did was they poop and they just vanished poop And then she she tweeted it. I think if I'll find so someone needs to take away this insane woman's twitter So instead of like taking a poo, they just snap their fingers and the poo disappears Yes, I'm something like that. Yes. You see that makes sense This is something I'm reading now right from a website So I don't know if it's like specifically true But I'm assuming it is on the Pottermore website jk Rowland explains how wizards poop Isn't about the chamber of secrets that says wizards didn't need toilets because they simply relieve themselves where they stood and vanished the evidence Okay, why don't you just okay, why why would you Why would you like here, you know poop and then make it go away when you could just make it go away before you poop it out You should ask jk Rowling How is it that the most basic of concepts you just haven't given any thought to you just type shit out on twitter There's no most of the magic wizard or wand. I can't you can make a poop emote, but I You'd have to come up with rules or else you could also save that logic. Oh, I'm gonna make Voldemort's heart disappear And then he dies that might work like we we really need to get this woman the help she needs because oh my god There you go. I made the perfect amount sequence Um, yeah, that's insane good for her I guess Uh, I thought we should probably mention me and me and rags actually guested on the state of the youtube podcast where we talk to um monkey jones very entertaining For us and hopefully for an audience if you guys want to check it out. We basically give them a quick rundown of uh episodes eight nine and ten of efap as well as Talking about yeah, what what we were discussing was if wizards can make their poop disappear Anyway, why are there even bathrooms and Hogwarts at all? Why not just sounds like a waste of space and an excess of plumbing and all the problems that come along with that Kids kids can't vanish their poop. So kids don't know how No, that should be what they teach kids when they come out of the room What if you miss once you she once you take a poop at hog? Yeah, that should be the parents should teach their kids Have you mentioned vanishing intestine? What happens then? Well, you know what? Evolution that would be a tragedy. Well, then they'll just they'll just make them new intestines With their magic Some rough stuff. Oh and now Rob has evolved it. So you shoot the poop and it is into a ghost What a fascinating conversation We can't keep giving them ideas that you came by So would you like to jump into the first of our meme videos folks? No, let's talk about wizards pooping Like no endlessly fascinating subject. I mean guess the point We are just like I hope nobody clips that and then says this is what e-faps about because that would be embarrassing Oh, I like this one. Um, every frame a poo that disappears Got him There we go frame a potter So, um, yeah, there you go. Everything's right, right. I'm assuming that. Yeah, that's okay Let's get the volume up. Yeah, this one's called subjectivity slayer arrives at quintance channel. I think this is by Um, actually, let's find it. It's probably good if I actually say who made them, you know, that would be a good start So it's e-man gameplay Who I believe made the the other one we're showing today as well. Um, I shall pop is which other one Are these purple lines new? Yes, they're just small separations. I think it looks snazzy Yeah, he hates it clearly No, it's fine. It's purple. It fits well with neon. The guest is complaining. Oh my god Oh, shit. Yeah, I'm complaining. I'm saying I'm noticing it that it's new I was I was wondering what you were talking about. I was like purple lines. Were you? Oh How does everyone feel about the neon purple? I hate it. Oh, no As a regular I like it Let me see the regulars are okay with it Yeah, that's that's all the matters Zero out of ten not gay enough. Okay. Um, let's let's check it out. Yeah. All right. Good. Yeah, let's do a response theory shuts up That's the way to open He embarrasses me every day he makes us all look like backwards idiots and frankly the fact that he got elected means that we probably are all Back to idiots Ruining people's lives the sword though He's making horrible races What the fuck who wrote this stupid I love that. That's really good. I really like that It's really well edited like some of these gets to the point where you're just like, whoof That's the sword of genesis right there Yeah, there's like a profile for that now Good explanation. This probably totally makes sense to you, right weekend warrior Yes, like every part of it all of the references and the memes. Oh, this is the one. Yeah, so This is again. I get it. I just realized this is by e-man gameplay as well There's a third one by him too He's just our official memer. Um, all right, so let's check this one out I want to say that this video on dark souls is my opinion. Yeah, I remember my first Those pointless people can play it about don't actually matter. Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo This is here Oh my god I know I got this Anyways guys Subscribe to jerry jess You know, uh, before we go on to the next meme Before we go on to the next meme, um, I was talking just a little about my my script for the aquaman video And I found myself Well, yeah, I'm waiting for the relevance rags. We'll get there. I'm sure well Well, I noticed like two or three times. I accidentally just unconsciously put in they did it Okay, they wait they the way they did it as a joke It was I wasn't even thinking of jared and then I like started rereading it and I was like, oh my god I just put three jared references in this video. Yeah, well if you're like the only person who messaged me about the um The fact that I used that in the monkey podcast like deliberately I don't think rags count a quartet live, but I think nobody comments it on either. I was like, oh man That that's sleeper. I did see like one or two people comment about it. Oh, did they I did have a look Yeah, but um amusing things of course um So this one's probably gonna I'm gonna have to pause it because we got we got some full on movie stuff here The next two of that this is by anomaly ink And it's uh, it's a wrap. Oh, this is my only guy This is actually Is that that song's from gta, right? Or am I crazy? Yeah I mean, it's not copyrighted, right? Not gonna get struck for this shit Respect earned Jared Jared So for anybody, this is the thing there are themes to explain with this one. Okay, so The idea is the john connor is jared And and john connor just heard wolf calling for him as in jared's just heard wolf Oh, oh say is this at the end of the movie where sir connor? Uh, I got you. Oh, so wolf's trying to help jared jared Jared Jared is like, well Jared jared just the witcher logo Fuck no, bitch Who's quid said I've seen too many excellent movies who shows to just bend over and take hollywood's dick in my ass for whatever garbage Shit out Fuck ryan johnson. Fuck disney and more importantly, fuck the last jedi Damn wolf ran out of fucking comments for the last jedi, huh? I wish that he took the last part out and like replaced the last jedi with quinton Because your standard for what these movies can do at this point is so limited That there's just nothing interesting or cool to be done anymore. God damn it Hello there ladies and gentlemen His opinions are objective because fuck you I like the idea that I saved jared's life Jared is your son in this continuity People love that fucking clip The physics one yeah, yeah, what's that from? Like what from like a few things Oh, that's like from a lot of media reloadeds. I did like um I watched these really terrible movies called alpha and omega where they constantly broke the laws of physics like Repeatedly in every film And so I just seen wolf. Yeah, that was the theme and I hated that theme So I kept like artistically screeching physics and people just liked it. So I kept doing it Trump you're kind of watching movies and welcome to the right opinion Too much I think the reaction in response to the last jedi. Oh, no, it's quite frankly embarrassing Some people really like fallout 3 and they seem to be the specific type of people who think clicking a dislike button is a Did you recognize that beautiful face? Oh my god, that's what he looks like Hey Beautiful man Like using like the word objectively is just it's tough to use that word in regards to art, right? The last jedi is a story about men Uh, you couldn't couldn't find a picture good old johnny Yeah, I was gonna say one two Well, there's some people who don't even know that he is jonathan macintosh, right? Like a lot of people assume he's just popped culture detective like a separate thing Which by the way, I think he probably did deliberately Well, I think so too. He had to get away from quite the negative Chris Yeah, it doesn't shock me too much. He is well He does sound like a transgender woman. Well, I think he's a culture detective. Does he put that? I always thought you just put it on you the last jedi He's always kind of talked like that Really? I hate this logo by the way Well, just writes. Yeah, it looks like a little squid. They're cartoon. Yeah It doesn't look like a squid. It's a j and a w It's oh It looks like a sperm that's been working out It's got three though. It's got three Buffs got a couple propellers to help get to the egg a little faster In my subjective opinion The last thing Oh, you don't want to think of tiara's. Oh, yeah. Yeah, because that's Yeah, um, and then we only have one left, which I'm hoping None of you have seen because it's like people are hailing it as like the best one yet, which is tough competition It's better than the the infinity war one because that one's gonna be a hard one is pretty amazing So just from the name of it. Have you seen this? I know but I like that. I'm aragorn. Yeah, I'm theodum. I can't remember who rags is But I know that's fine. I'm sure I'm sure I'll be great You'll be gimley. I'll probably gimley Okay. Oh wait. No fringies gimley. I it'll be interesting. We'll find out God, I'm gonna have to pull as a whole bunch. Oh my god. Oh my god I'm not gonna say it, but I think I know who Gandalf is gonna be Oh, yeah, well You know the what is the I don't know if any of you guys know but like, you know, like masking things on to Shit, that's not like frame by frame. Is it or do they find a way to actually do it in another time? There I know there's a method. I've never had a need to do it. So but I know that there is a Easier way to frame by frame thing would just take fucking ages EFAP I Wait, is rags legolas? Oh, you might Oh my god, it is gonna be jerry Jared's gonna save us Man, I love this movie, by the way, just one of us Have you noticed how many people have used the um the backwards version of my head is just the blacked out Subverting my expectation Yeah, who's It's just one of the random nights Yeah, actually, I don't know if legolas is in this charge, you know, that's it But like because he's got a bow. I'm pretty sure rags is legolas He's not seeing that the flowing long blonde blocks. Oh, right. Yeah. Numer comes in with gandalf. I was wrong. Yeah Yeah Dramatization of fucking the EFAP as a podcast reader response here I like that free can just like perfectly recreate your voice I Think my owner's a good guy, but he was someone that you know, I would definitely have a beer with Who's e-man game Majority people from the discord, which is what I found it Who wrote this Potatoes This is beautiful I don't know if it quite beats that inferior one that one's hard to beat but That that that one was good. That was over 10. No subscribe to jarred genesis at the end. Oh I think Too bad too bad So, uh, yeah, I mean, you never know what to expect this sort of thing That was really great though. And so there are another like a million of these And we'll try and get between three and four each episode is the best I can offer, but I'll still collect every time I still get recommended a ton of them and every time I see what I'm just like, don't watch it Don't watch it. We'll do all very much. We don't watch it for EFAP Um before we go on should we talk about jarred and what's At happening with him. So you put out a video saying he's up for EFAP And then we were like cool But you know, it'll have to be the one after this one because weekend warriors coming on And he got very offended. He said that he should have like special position And then we were like That's how it works though because everybody gets scheduled in and then he was like, I don't want to come on anymore because the He said he said some I can't remember like anything anything that he Too too mean. I don't think it was mostly well here Here's the thing in the span of two days He made a video saying he was ready to come on then the next one was He's not ready to come on and then the another one was Making like shitting on us for not bringing him on immediately I have a suspicion That any day now he's going to nuke his channel again because he's going through his like crazy phase where he loses his mind again and He's nearing a thousand as well I think a thousand is where he doesn't like to beat a thousand subscribers from what I understand He doesn't like to be In a position where he has he didn't he say something like he never wants to be in a position where he has a bunch of people Subscribing or something Yeah, it's really strange with Jared. His he changes from day to day. He's kind of like smeagol in that respect He just like he's got like two different personalities. Someone's gonna be making that Oh my god, yeah, that's seen when Frodo and Sam are sleeping and he's like arguing with himself We just need a jared genesis rendition of that a super cut of like Yeah, his videos where he's saying you'll come on e-fab, but then the ones where he's like, no That'd be funny. Yeah, but yeah, just uh, let's let's just uh, be nice to Jared. He's going through I don't know what he's going through. I don't understand Jared most of the time He's an enigma, but he's you know always welcome to serve time to come on and uh We're we're we're cool with him and we love the memes Absolutely Good old jerry so This podcast is actually going to be about Someone named downward thrust. We haven't covered since episode one. I think Maybe three It's been a while. It has been a while Unlike this could very well be depending on how this goes an all downward thrust episode outside of the memes How exciting is that because he's Wonderfully He's someone who makes short videos because you know, he's concise. He's to the point He doesn't waste time with people making hour-long intros wolf Idiot brevity is the soul of wit brevity is the spirit of the soul. You're right And the last thing is the downs of the word So Our first video from him is an older one, but we're gonna have like a theme here Can I can I call a timeout? I gotta use the bathroom go for it Well, well if he's going I guess I better go to go for it Wolf do you need to pee too? No in the meantime Someone asked what about uh colonial marines. Do you have like an idea for what we're doing that? Probably the next one We'll probably you know after this one if rags and you are still around we'll we'll set up a time I think we can right like uh, yeah, but what then there's the uh The uh, oh, yeah, there's another there's a video coming out about me Maybe about e-fap as well. Yeah from air attacks and we've been told it's coming out within the next few days so Do you think if it comes out next week? We'll just do that and if it doesn't we'll do colonial marines then get to it Yeah, I think that makes sense. Okay. Speaking of which, um next week. I have friday off, but I do not have saturday off All right, hopefully we can do a friday one then. Robin. What good are you? Yeah, i'm sorry. My boss is my boss is an idiot. He doesn't be your own boss I wish I could be um Wait, did you did you pee in that amount of time right? Oh, no, I haven't left. Oh Because you were talking and I wanted to you know, I wanted to hear the stuff that you Were talking about, you know, he's a dog. He has that little mat next to his computer. Oh No, I didn't have to go very far. Yeah, I have to go outside because I'm not gonna Poop or pee where I sleep and eat like a barbarian Don't you have your like your pc you use and then pc up on doesn't know how that works Hello, I don't pee on my pc sometimes though. So I have air cooling. I don't have to piss on it Wouldn't piss be hot anyway with oh and cool it So, um, you want to go pee? Yeah, okay I'm a i'm a read just a few super chats while he's gone. Uh, so aquaman is terrible, but I love it I think both would be on board with that statement Both one of you new pfp who made it Oh, wait, what was the first question I forgot The first well the first one was the first comment What was the first comment was aquaman is terrible, but I love it Oh, well, you're allowed to love it as long as you accept that it's terrible said you're allowed to there you go Yeah, you're allowed to as long as you know, it's bad, but thanks for allowing me wolf You're a good man Uh wolf. I love your new pfp who made it Oh, uh, that's snapbacks. He did all my previous channel art Um, I don't know what his deviant art is. I had I keep forgetting to ask him, but his twitter Uh handle is at snap underscore your underscore back Oh, there you go. So there you go. I'm more to be careful. I heard right speed though. It's a profile picture Oh You know the times dude come on. You don't know what a pfp is been on this podcast for 20 episodes You still haven't figured that out yet. I don't know the youtube lingo as the cool kids call it um More to be careful. I heard rags and wolf have the big gay. That's okay. I got I got shielding Look, we don't have to we only have the half gay Uh, just got married and I wish I could watch the stream, but I'm at lunch Can't wait to see the vaude later. Have a good stream rhino milk forever. Well, congratulations Is he is he watching? Just after the marriage ceremony, I think I just got married I hope you refuse to like a week ago or yesterday Like if he just got married and then went to get some food and gone on his phone and said like, oh tonight's the e-fap Hey, oh man Yeah, uh, I hope you have a fantastic marriage and enjoy the stream when you get around to it Thank you very much. Um kept us waiting, huh from the implied fly. That's oh, yeah At least at least a nail girl. Let you go. Oh wait, we read that one because I hate myself But I love you guys from a keep of all he's with 99 99 Very very very generous sir. What you couldn't just add in that one extra cent you cheapskate Dude, dude. Did you say that he's gonna fuck you up? He's like a well, I'll take I'll take your cheapness on my channel when I get done with my videos So if you want to come over to my channel and donate your cheapness Do you want to and I'll take it and I won't complain like some people around here I'm gonna hype up the Hype up the return. Do you want to say what it is? Um, I'm gonna try to get it done this weekend. That's kind of what I told my discord I'm gonna try this weekend folks try to get it done this weekend. It's saturday, right? Yes, it is I mean time time is relative I mean relative to earth So I I prefer what I'm going for here You guys gonna watch the warsky versus tonka fight Hence you guys mentioned the nostalgia critic you seen medica's video on him How'd you guys rationalize objectivity and art yet not in ethics? Not in ethics those are two different things I mean, how do you how would you objectively measure what is ethical if you don't just have I mean you can do that if you if you start with the standard as in You adhere to a standard irrelevant of how you feel about the specific topic Like for example, if you said a question, I just don't really Never murder and then you're in a position where you're like they killed all my family It's right to murder them. You'd be like, well now you're not being very very consistent But I mean that's a complicated question anyway Like the objective ethics. Um, yeah, I guess I wouldn't be like objectively a good thing to murder for murder, but I mean that's a little bit I don't think there is objective morals um I don't know. That's a really complicated subject E-fap is not prepared to have because we're just like hey media, right media But a fair question Maybe we'll cover that in a whole e-fap episode one day. We'll bring in We're bringing a phil's officer of some kind That they can ask the questions also as for warsky wasky and tonka. I don't actually know who tonka is But I only vaguely know warsky anyway, so I have no idea what that really even is Uh, and then nostalgia critic I've seen matto gives video on nostalgia critic, but I don't um You know, it's just man. I I knew most of the stuff that he mentioned um Weekend moria, I don't know more of this guy knows e-fap. Oh, he's been here the whole time Also, wolf. What do you think about me getting 100 percent 107 percent on my physics physics exam How do you get 107 percent? Doesn't that break the laws of physics extra credit? God damn. He got it That's insane I can't believe this Uh very good Hey molar if wolf and rags had rhino milking powers and the three of you were stranded on an island or something And you had to milk one for sustenance and the others for recreation who? But we're not rhinos Milk for recreation I'm into recreational uh Rhino movie that ends with him saying justify your bilkings Um, let me say that one more time It would just be whoever's whoever's full up, you know, get them get them drained out a bit Don't don't stress any one of them too much. That's the important thing. Make sure everyone's happy. Well fed uncomfortable um balance Find out your wild moly of surprisingly good taste for a subhuman beautiful harry potter was a mistake jk rolling Oh, did you shoot up a school with monkey monkey? Don't you know that you're not allowed to say stuff like that now You'll get you banned the talk even to make fun of evil or fucking people doing horrible things That's like, you know punishable by did you guys see the the videos circulating from monkey by the way? I have not yet. Oh, no, that's jungle jimmy. Oh, right. Yeah jungle jimmy's video Who's this monkey guy? He like just breaks down all of the strikes and why they bullshit and then stuff but like obviously he's trying to get other youtubers to sort of re-upload it on their channels to spread the message and stuff Yeah, because I think they could just take it down. Yeah Uh, Ripley from aliens and Sarah carnival two minutes who don't count as strong female characters because they're too masculine check mate a the sexist I mean, I've heard people actually make that argument and um, I don't don't really understand because uh, they both You know the idea that it's like, oh, you don't like you only like the female characters that don't have anything about them that's intrinsically female like Wouldn't you argue that Ripley is um has the mother angle in aliens that's inherently a A female yeah, I would say so. Yeah Same for Sarah Connor. By the way, she's All about protecting John Connor to the point where she's isolated a relationship from him She's just a bodyguard and that's what he kind of hates Imagine thinking Sarah Connor of all people is not a strong female character. Well You know, they can't let us win. So if we recognize that she's a good one, they're like, oh, shit We're gonna have to let it go. We have to sacrifice it for the cause dammit Uh, we can't keep getting away with this. I'm not sure what they're referencing, but well, it's breaking bad But I don't know what part of us we're doing Jared's e-fap update video legit broke my heart. I'm so sorry Wizards poop disappearing That Jared he is a heartbreaker. He really is um, we'll just have to hope that as time goes on it'll be okay Quinton the next e-fap Could you imagine Quinton on e-fap? Oh man, oof. He wouldn't do it What if what if he what would you guys say if he said he'll come on if he doesn't if he doesn't have to answer Any questions relating to any kind of previous anything previous it has to be I'd say fuck no I'd probably be like if that's the only way to get about I would but we would we would totally play with it Like he making references to stuff in videos that we're covering like man, isn't it awful when people just take stuff out of context What do you think about that quinn? Just seem to be But I know that we just have to like plan it out In case people don't know he's blocked me in rags and uh I think he'd rather pretend the e-fap doesn't exist I prefer JoJo's bizarre adventure time powers pausing time fast forwarding time skipping 10 seconds ahead being the only one with Foresight agency 10 out of 10. I have not seen it. Have you guys seen that? See what JoJo's bizarre adventure I have it's enjoyable. Is there some time travel? Time travel. No, there's time fucking powers, but not time travel as oh wait, wait Spoilers at some point there there is going to be some sort of time thing. I'm confused. How do you have time powers but not time travel? Yeah, but that's like jojo is like eight parts Okay, I think 10 now and each part has a different jojo That that has a different villain doing different things like now the main villain has How The main villain's powers is just that it works if I mean shout outs to the guy that Shout outs to the guys that know what that means, but yeah, it just works if you I mean, this is told out, right? Yeah. Yeah, it just it just works. Yeah. No, it's hot towered hot tower Yeah Nothing It's all broken so it's a kick V. I'm so sorry I got that I got the reference We will we will pause for them Do you what would you guys like to tackle one of down with us older videos in fact one of his one of his classics Sure, I love a good classic with huge fans of down with thrust on this channel. Just want to make that clear I'm not set up a notepad here in reference for when I'm gonna write down things. He says that are hilarious. That's not what I'm doing This is just for posterity. I like to frame his quotes because they're very inspirational Is everyone ready? Yes All right, just wolf is ready. We can't really continue with only half of you guys are ready Oh, it's like we're just clicking the little box in the corner of the screen saying ready to party up And there's always that one guy Howard it just Oh man, I hate it already breakdown episode six. We got five episodes. We skipped over Well, let's go get episode one We don't understand the breakdown episode more than I'm glad I'm glad that uh good old tone loke stopped calling himself an intellectual That's that's what oh god the intellectual gaming community. I didn't realize that What the intellectual gaming community about Keep me away from that. I don't want to be part of that I don't want to be an intellectual. Fuck that. I want to have fun in my life. We're only like five seconds in Intellectual Like community I'm a part of that Intellectual gaming community. I'll say that we get into a fucking gadelb. I'll say Like, uh, what would you say like start it founded by tone loke? I'll say that Founded by You need to get that guy who does all those sketches to like sketch his face So that you can like have it unlike had it have it fade in from the background And then you can like in cursive have it fade in founded by tone loke Well, you you heard him. I'm assuming that they watch this podcast or they'll be watching this one I will totally put that in if that ends up on my Twitter Hey, everyone, I want to go back to the second here. You're fearlessly your tone Look, I have to hear this. Wait, wait, wait. That's his real name. Well, it's his well This is screen name if you will We're pretty certain his actual his first name is actually Tony Tony Loak is also probably short for something His real name's Tony Loki, but he like no no wonder he wanted to change his name I mean, if you're gonna make up a cool a name, why don't you make it sound cool? Like Rags It's kind of like when uh, I think maybe like one day Matt. That's the worst name you could Make for your online persona, right? It's kind of like, um Wings of redemption his real name is Richard, but he hates it. So he calls himself Jordy Jordan I think he had a better name to start with and when every when everyone in the chat types in Hey, Richard, how's it going? He's like chat ban him by man try it by Shout out Sean ranklin Hey everyone, welcome to episode six of breakdown. It's your fearless leader tone. Locke coming at you with another interesting video With the re would you actually define your own video is interesting Yeah, it's your fearless leader toned. Locke and all the girls in the audience still It's the toned They're interesting video with the recent hd remake of final fantasy 10 on steam I had a chance to go back to one of my favorite game franchises of all time My favorite game series in autobiography based off of me. You're fearless leader toned That one plays games based on after playing it for about 20 to 30 hours It's difficult for me to say that I actually enjoyed my time with it Playing old games or remakes. This this game about punching people is actually uh It's a story about my real life the real life of tone. Locke. You're fearless leader Wait, which one's he the big guy the tiny guy. Oh, he's the guy who wins Oh Made me quickly realize that games have evolved so much the fidelity the smoothness mechanics and more importantly the pay wait Did you guys nap here the fidelity the smoothness mechanics? I mean the mechanics So better I wonder what snappier means I guess more responsive someone said go tone go broke Maybe he likes tans and that's why he calls himself tone. Locke The thing is like all of those words could just be like, what do you even mean by idea much the fidelity? I'm assuming by fidelity. He's talking about graphics. Yeah, the smoothness. Yeah, graphics fidelity What is the smoothness referring to anti-aliasing? Maybe the animation frame per second I don't know you can oh someone suggested themes. He might be talking about the smoothness of the themes Maybe but he's talking about fps. A lot of old games had really good fps and a lot of modern games have shit fps That's your because making things attempt to look pretty is more important than enjoying your experience I'm sorry. Is your name tone. Locke. How can you speak with authority on this? Are you a part of the intellectual game? Because I am I am the I'm they're gonna be a coup against the fearless leader Someone said the very similitude of modern games Yeah, you can just feel the thesaurus fearless intellectual fidelity To be fair the first tab in my book marks is the thesaurus, but it's just so that I don't use the same word over and over Yeah, but with uh good old tone. Locke. It's because he has a very limited vocabulary and he's just like this sounds good Yeah, it's like I need to it's like I could say that this is big, but instead I want to say that it's uh Colossal Huge ball All king ponderous Miniscule tiny And more importantly the pacing and design of games themselves Games are so much snappy the pacing and design of games themselves. Can you just cut all of that out and say the design of games themselves? Pacing is a little bit different from design pacing Wouldn't it come out? It couldn't everything come under design? Unless it's a bug and it wasn't well intended. Yeah Yeah, if it was um Also, what do these clips have to do with what he's saying? Well, this is this is tone the god locke. We're talking about here. He's going to be having things you want to understand The og Too deep for us. Yeah Original god more importantly the pacing and design of games themselves Games are so much. Where did you get that from? It wasn't in her hand. Is that gonna go? Wait, what the oh the syringe So much the syringe Yeah, the syringe that she pulled out and stabbed the character. It's like an american thing. Isn't it syringe? See, I've never heard it pronounced syringe. It's syringe syringe Well, it's kind of like when you were saying it's a scissors and everyone was like, what are you talking about? Look, that's not incorrect well No, it doesn't that way though Yeah, well it pronounced it's not correct. They need to get with the old times. Let's me og rags Talk about scissors like the good old days. How they pronounce scissors. This is scissors. Yeah scissors Yeah, well, it wasn't the one the contention that was like, but he said he said a scissors Okay, listen look we can have this discussion again. I don't fucking care The point is that if I take my pants and I cut them down the middle I don't have do I have a pant and then another pant and I put together and they become pants or do I have no pants You have two halves of pants. You have two halves of a pair of pants To have so you have a pant If that's why I pair of pants the pant is the leg but they're connected at the top. Isn't pants like short for like So now if you have two pairs of pants You say I have a pair of a pair of pants So if you have two matching Pants you can't say a pair of pants because that's just one pair No, you say you have two pairs of pants But you could all but what if they match and you want to you want to signify that they match You say I have a pair of a pair of pants. No, you have two matching pairs of pants two pairs. Yes Two matching pairs of pants. Well, that's kind of redundant to say a matching pair Well, you just said you wanted to let people know that they're matching Oh, yeah, so you say a pair No, you have two pairs of pairs of pants. No, you say two matching pairs pants two matching pairs And if you take scissors and you break them apart you have a scissor and another scissor No, you have a scissor and you put them together and connect them and then it's because a scissors No, people would say you have definitely You have two pairs of scissor blades. You don't say a scissors. No one says a scissors It's a pair of they used to And because I learned it from a charlie ground comic Well charlie brown's like charlie brown tries his best. Okay Okay, okay I say pass the scissors not pass the pair of scissors However, I understand that's probably growing up to be incorrect No, no pass the scissors is still grammatically correct But a scissors is the thing that rags said it that's no one says that I probably say that too casually Yeah, but I'd still be I'd happily consider it be wrong. I wouldn't care. It's more like a slang thing Well, yeah, sure. It it doesn't matter if you say it's just it's wrong. So, um You get so much like a video No, no Fuck movies tone loke is not being given the attention he needs. Okay Don't put the elevator music back on playing Is it what is this punch up punch something right on the nest punch out? Is that it? Because you can have one fist and another fist and that makes fists But you can't have a fists apparently Hands are implied even though fists are connected No, they're not yes, they are Fists yes fists are connected every part of your body is connected wolf. Well, yeah, sure, but not the part itself I'm right. You're wrong Got him I'm right. You're wrong. No No Okay, my two thumbs are not attached to each other. Just like my two Yeah, if you want to look at everything from the rock team of every single limb is technically still attached to your No, they pull my toes connect themselves thumb bones connected to your hand bone Okay, Jared So, okay, I'm gonna hit the play button I'm just gonna hit the play button. Let's get back to time with it Playing old games or remakes made me quickly realize that games have evolved so much The fidelity of smoothness mechanics and more important is the pacing and design of games themselves Well, you guys are like a good four seconds ahead of me So much snappier and easier to get into now and it makes me rethink the way I view older games and their relevancy Let's talk about two quick reasons why this is the case with our first talking point Games are developed for their current generation. Really? We're building this game for the future These games are built for the current generation. Why would you know? I was building it for the past so that the people in the 1970s could Don't even what's what kind of idiotic main statement is that? It's okay to say the games are the product of their time Yeah, that's that's a more interesting statement in that you're implying that Things were decisions were made based on maybe values or standards at the time but to say The games were made for what do you say the agenda? Hang on? Let me let me play the game Current generation and market Quick reasons why this is the case with our first talking point Games are developed for their current generation and market Maybe he's gonna say something more interesting Someone did mention that crisis was unironically for the future and that is true Technically, oh you mean because the way it runs Oh, yeah, because Yeah, because what? Go on because because of the technical aspect So like couldn't that be a criticism of its optimization though? Uh, no because the well Sort of it depends. Um But mostly it really is just that that kind of hardware wasn't really widely available at that time So it was kind of uh pushed you can develop things speculating about the mark the future market Yeah, that I mean, I think uh people have the point when they say, you know crisis was kind of Made in mind for when Pete that kind of tech is more why would anyone deliberately make a game that can't be Specifically played by generation. We're talking about cry tech here. They don't make good business decisions I was going to say like is this just out of that big idiots? Why would they deliver crisis is an arcade and I think that arcade games, especially they tend to last In a way that like console games pc games don't always at least Because you sort of just sell it and it's always going to be because when you buy an arcade machine It's pay. It's basically investing wait arcade machine. Yeah Time we're talking about here time. Uh, we're talking about normal crisis like c r y s i s Oh, I thought you said time crisis. Yeah. No. No, I'm talking about the game crisis You know, oh, I think you made I thought you made a good point I mean the one the one benefit that came for them was the idea that like crisis was almost a benchmark for people So it gets starts getting used Just to see if your computer can run it, which is like probably good for marketing um but If that was the reason it wouldn't be Because they were building a game for future generation like I wouldn't call that it would be because of the marketing aspect Well, yeah, it will yeah, again This is partly due because cry tech is not a very smart company. Well depends, dude How well did it do that? The first crisis did pretty well, I think a crisis too. I think I don't know. Maybe it was a small decision So even though I misunderstood you I actually think it raises an interesting point Because time crisis is an arcade game and when you sell an arcade game to somebody to set up in their Arcade or their store or pizza par or whatever. It's essentially an investment for the future Because you hope to get your money back eventually For what you paid for the arcade machine. So that would be Essentially making a game with the future in mind because you're selling an investment And not just be sort of like staying power though. You just want the game to be played Extensive well, yeah, that's how you get your money back. Yeah a quarter quarters and quarters and quarters It's still be created for the current generation though Because generations a long time and the current market I don't know. Um, I would say that We 60 right that's a generation Which is what? But five years have one average. I need someone in chat to probably clarify that what is the average amount of time It takes for a new generation of games to come out or consoles Um, I can take a look average console Ten years Because you got it's probably speeding up right because I'm pretty sure there's been rumblings about a ps5 Yeah, yeah, I've seen that too the The average number of days in a console life cycle is 1,800 Again loads of five years five to seven five to eight eight five to six five six to Eight six seven five well This this console generation has been kind of weird since there's like numerous models Yeah, I think it's not even just that it's like they imply that you should be picking up Like you know like ps2 ps2 slim It was very much like But then you have xbox one xbox one s xbox one x They actually argue there's a performance improvement The the answer for the average is 5.04 years So five years Well a little more but yeah pretty close Well, I was close to that. I suppose yeah five years is about uh about right about five years So if you were to create a game You and you want it to last for five years you would be making it for the current generation I suppose even though that's kind of interesting to think about now as well If you think about the idea this like look at all the games that are considered timeless What's what's a game you guys consider timeless isn't able for? I Entrance pac-man Probably quake as well time crisis I guess we need more clarification Timeless means doesn't it because like if it doesn't mean it's timeless if the graphics don't change It's more about the gameplay. I guess Tetris. I also have a question Go for I have a question What does tonelok mean by relevant like do people play it or is it relevant to how games are being made? Well, here's the thing tonelok's got a little bit of an issue with relevance He's been struggling to get relevant again for quite a while now I mean You could have just gone the way of saying tonelok doesn't tend to have definitions for weeds. He just uses them That's fine. You didn't have to turn it into a personal attack. We have wool We've been over this before the podcast as we sat down with you and we said no more said no more tonelok I forgot. Be nicer to tonelok Such a meanie head dude. I have short term memory loss whenever we start talking about good old tony We said get loke go broke This full name is tonald. Okay, ronald the tone Tonald With our first talking point games are developed for their current generation by market Developers make games according to what's called market research and demographics Who is buying my game? How old are they and what are their respective gaming preferences and gaming patterns? If I know this I can reduce my overhead and my costs by streamlining the development process a streamlining The development streamlining streamlining streamlining what it does is while you're developing the video game It keeps away the scurvy. I knew it. I knew it. Oh, that was my theory Yes by streamlining the development process and focus on what the player actually wants out of my game I'm so glad that we had that clip of that green haired lady walking around in the desert I mean Focusing on what the player wants from the game. It's like yes God, yeah, I forgot how like nothing in a downward thrust video like the footage has nothing to do with what's happening in the conversation Well, well, wait, wait, I think what's he saying now is kind of relevant with battlefield five Well, let's let's back up just a little minute to green haired desert lady was balfield five streamlined though No, no, I mean what he's saying like what what the audience has want, right? And I don't think that battlefield five was what audiences wanted Oh I have heard from several people I don't I don't know anything about like seven played the game that the game's marketing was fucked up But the game itself isn't actually all that bad I've heard that the market is bad but That'll kill five. I've heard it's okay as a game But I don't I shouldn't have to look at a battlefield game and in here that it's okay You know like that didn't used to be a thing And fun fact, um battlefield hardline has sold more than battlefield five. Oh, oh, yeah, I saw that. Yeah, uh Hardline's like 1.5 in battlefield five got 1.4 It's not it's not a good look that moment when dice makes a cops and robbers game that sells more than a world war two That was visceral. Well, that was the last game. Oh, yeah, that's what killed visceral, right? Well, none is ea is the one that killed visceral. Oh, sure. But I mean after that they would they they lost even Space three but for people who don't like dead space Man, I like but why did the company die? Tone talk about dead space Timelining the development process that'll focus on what the player actually wants out of my game Preferences of certain games change over time and can become skewed with the introduction of competition of new technology Well, that's a sentence. So player preferences change over time and they can become skewed with the introduction of new technology skewed to what player preferences can be skewed with new technology I don't think I disagree. I just like an example Like maybe maybe yeah, like a game could be like we should do it in vr And then a bunch of people like we don't give a show about vr Or maybe a new technology will open up and introduce new preferences to the market that weren't there before Interesting good point tone. Yeah. Yeah, sure. That's it was oddly worded But I think we were able to translate what you mean Titian of new technology Also, people get older as time flies by their needs and their wants change and we can see how let's go wait time Is he trying to complicate the sentence? People get older as time goes by. That's like my favorite thing. Yeah, people get older as time passes They don't get younger I never thought that was a thing Why is he trying to over complicate the sentence? Wait, let me hear the whole thing actually because I'm assuming you guys are slightly ahead We'll get older as time flies by Their needs and their wants change and we can see this if we just look into a telescope back in the time Look at the look into a telescope back What look into a telescope back in the time? I don't think that's what telescopes do That time hold up. We're gonna give this one more go here the evolution of final fantasy and call of duty Let me let me click I'm imagining that scene from the third Pirates of the Caribbean movie where jack sparrow gets the bigger telescope Only a figure of tone loak doing it See this if we just look back in a telescope back in the time Look at the evolution of final fantasy and call of duty. Why would he say telescope? That's just strange thing to say because it was because the old time was a long way away History books history books have really small font and he really needs that telescope to read. No, that's a microscope That's a telescope Hey, I mean maybe the microscope's not big enough. I need something a little bit stronger I would like to use your time telescope. They're like we don't have those This is Gameplay is shifted towards linearity simplicity and accessibility Oh, shut up. You made a video about why you hate that people don't make enough linear video games anymore. Yeah, I feel He was in favor of linearity Um, well, I don't know what he's in favor of because he changes his opinion every other That's true for gameplay depth. What about the unfortunate demise of the adventure platform genre? Or the decelerated popularity of tactical strategy games over the years all victims of um How call of duty is an odd example for that. It's kind of been the same thing forever I I I don't I don't feel like it's a good example for things becoming simpler When I think it's pretty much agreed that call of duty games have become more complicated Yeah Not necessarily for their own benefit But I mean if you go back to call of duty four You can clearly see that it was it was a simpler game One of the reasons it was better You know, there you go Of changing consumer demise of the adventure platform genre or the decelerated popularity of tactical strategy games I don't know. He was playing a he was playing a Tomb raider game earlier. I think the adventure platformer is if it was decelerated strange Yeah, that's what I mean. He's I think he's trying to sound smart No Don't do that Tone is also this this frame here with this chick. Is that a sword in that pouch? Yeah, I think yeah, that's lightning. Yeah, why would you carry a sword down there where it's beaten against the back of your legs every step Because it's cool rags Harded About it looks cool. It's a comforting tap There's there's there's more than one person said about how this certain telescopes you can't look into They'll see light that hasn't traveled that far yet. I mean almost see the past Technically you are seeing different times But we all know that that's more you're looking at a snapshot. It's not currently existing that way That and we also know that tone loak isn't smart enough to know that and that's not what he's talking about Yeah, what are you probably meant to say was like looking into some kind of like, you know Thing that allows you to look uh Into time fucking traveling far away. Yeah, so typically do that I just what maybe he was too concerned about getting this one random clip of this chick walking down this platform for four seconds It's relevant rags Look at the everyone said, uh, what is decelerated popularity and that is what's happened to downward thrust's channel He's decelerated popularity Also, I thought we said no mean things wolf. Wow. That's again wolf Second it's hard. It's hard to be nice to this man. I mean we got we got three videos to downward thrust to get to you You know, all right, it's not malicious. He's just you just hearing his opinion. It's best, okay Don't let him have an opinion wolf. God Yeah Sorry Oh wait, wait, wait Wait, wait I just typed downward thrust in youtube and he has a video on battlefield five Just just shouting it out. He has a few of shoutouts to downward thrust He made um, one of the videos we're covering I think will be relevant to that Possibly because he made a video in favor of battlefield five and a lot of people like what the fuck dude because of the whole You know, don't like it. Don't buy it attitude thing and all political stuff And and he made a video saying that he should be praised for being objective in his review and ignoring the meta information We actually probably should cover that at some point or maybe we could do it on um Because considering you've already got a video responding to him or as you could do that on your um Allcast maybe because you like battlefield as well Um, yeah, I haven't played battlefield five though Well, it's more about the concept of should you mention that stuff when reviewing battlefield five as a game? Oh, oh, I remember Oh, I know what video talked about. Yeah. Yeah, we can cover that That'll tweet See and call of duty gameplay is shifted towards linearity simplicity and accessibility They're becoming substitutes for you know, it's really strange that he would use final fantasy foot when he says that they're going more toward linearity Well, this video started with that, right? So it's going to be throughout the whole thing that he played it and it wasn't as good as he remembers or it wasn't Yeah, he already like so that'll be a running theme If you look at final fantasy, I guess 15 that was kind of like open world, wasn't it? No, well to be fair to tone. Look, I think this was the time when ff 13 came out. So that's pretty linear So maybe that's the other ones were pretty linear too I haven't played them. So like he even played footage from final fantasy four With sessil and that's what your king rags is that tone look probably didn't play those old games And he's just comparing stuff. Well, here's the thing. He played footage from the game And I love final fantasy four. I love that game, but it is it's pretty darn linear Yeah So he got the footage So I'm confused you mean he downloaded the youtube video, right? Maybe that's what you mean Because he's had a pretty early part in the game the parts that he showed Do you think he's like the Anita Sarkees in the end of game criticism on the mail? Oh Do you guys think Anita Sarkees you can actually edit videos or do you think she was just a talking head? Oh, I don't think she can edit anything Because if so then she wouldn't check her channel. See how she's doing Pretty sure she's doing that. That's the fam frack Yeah, yeah, if you count 2000 views per video amazing. Sure. That's now now now now now day you wolf. It's 1000 Jesus Okay, so Three days ago 1.1 thousand. Oh my god. That's worse than I thought One week ago is 4.2 thousand That's something. Uh, she had a she had a Oh, here's a boomer Three weeks ago. That's 7 000 views. Oh, when you said boomer, I was thinking of sargon Uh, Anita's kind of a boomer too Oh, that's Anita's okay. Or is that offensive to us? We're gonna get banned for asking that Three months. I'm gonna get back Oh Well, no, I got like 45 broke 10 000 after three months After three months White supremacy an american tradition. Uh, that's four months ago 16. I totally agree Likes and dislikes are disabled and there's no comments Inception of her channel so that doesn't surprise me at all PSA brought to you by Kylo bed Okay, the the video on white supremacy begins with the white one of the trio With a message to fellow white people It's okay to accept that Thanksgiving is bad Probably one rhino milk plus one rhino milk equals a pair of rhino milks Let me save this femme freak video. I might be fun to look at later femme freak How could you say that I'm shortening frequency to freak It would be Freak, that's how you do it pronounce it correctly. You have to be non-offensive, so Simplicity and accessibility They're becoming substitutes for gameplay depth. What about the unfortunate demise of the adventure platform genre or the Decelerated popularity Say the unfortunate device because I for some reason I'd missed that previously the unfortunate device the adventure platformer It's like it's fucking booming right now Yeah, I understand. Yeah, there's plenty of uncharted four count as one because I'm pretty sure platformer sure Yeah, that that was uh pretty that did pretty well uncharted four This is 2016 july 10 when did you go lately come out? um That's I mentioned. I'm pretty certain 2017. Okay The the opinion of a lot of people is that they want to play more indie games instead of Uh triple a's because they're just better quality Okay, I mean if I can finish the three games I was going to reference her all year after his video. So that's more fair But I mean it would be interesting for him to actually like Say more but what he means there's just been no wait All boy came out 2016 Someone mentioned spiral that works Yeah, so if you go to uh, would we count 2d platforms? Yeah, absolutely Hollow Knight I've already got a list on steam. We got Celeste. He showed Banjo-Kazooie The hat and time dead cells the messenger hollow knight. Have a do hang on the the the thing is dust in a lesion tale He's probably talking about Banjo-Kazooie Spyro crash bandicoot Like 3d platformers. Yeah, there's a whole that's a whole genre Um, and yes They died they stopped but the thing is like at this point in 2016 I imagine you could have found a whole bunch of indie games that were the same thing Yeah, already came out 2015. So I don't know what about portal. Uh, I don't know if portal counts Portal is an action platformer. Absolutely Well, he said he's referring this is the problem with genre. He said adventure platformer You could find cool call of duty and adventure platformer in certain No, call of duty is not an adventure platformer. That is Fucking hear what I said. I said you could call it in certain sections Listen, but Yeah, what platformer has or what call of duty has you like platforming around everywhere? Um, I don't know even climbing shit Is really platforming though No, that's my point. If a game has ladders, it's a platformer. Do you not listen to the power I said this is the problem with genre TF2 is a platformer. I deliberately use a quote that would be misinformed that you guys are like, that's a misinformed quote Yeah, mauler. Thank you for agreeing with me. And this is the problem with tone loke saying the adventure Uh, yeah, I guess adventure platformers are uh, disappearing because it depends on what he's referring to Because the thing is most people really define as adventure platformer collectathon It's usually important part because that applies to Spyro Crash and croc and banjo. Yeah If you'd put that in there too, then that It lowers it again But the thing is like you can find those games In the indie market as far as I'm you can find fucking anything in the indie market like the genres time. Yeah Well, this is a came out a year later, but they do this. Okay. Okay. Um, poor question in chat. Wolf Who do you main in team fortress 2? Um, I I hardly I hardly played TF2. I just like every once in a while. It's the guy with the shotgun in the rocket I think it's soldier. Isn't it or is it a soldier? Okay. I just didn't know if that was the right name I just picked him because he's got a rocket and a shotgun. All right. Okay. Well, what do you have your answer? I went engineer all the time in that game I haven't played that game in like two years. Oh, yes. Like Hoopa. That's another one And ratcheting clank deliverance What what? Can you come deliver portals not adventure? Yes, it is. It's a you go on an adventure Oh, yeah Why don't you just fucking argue how it's an adventure when you're just in a series of white rooms to have a checkmate? Yeah, you can have an adventure through a series of white rooms You have an adventure and fucking like anything in Tetris It depends on how abusive your father is really So anyway tone look what have you got to say on this? Unfortunately, it would be a bother adventure platform genre or the decelerated technically adventure platform. You could say that about uncharted Yeah, it's dead. Yeah, you're it's absolutely an adventure and tell me how close banjo kazooie and uncharted are You know what I mean? Like this is why being so vague doesn't help anybody But I think I know what he's talking about a hilarity of tactical strategy It's also tone look also. It's important to note that acceleration is both speeding up and slowing down. So What is sorry acceleration didn't you say deceleration? All right. Yeah, so it's weird deceleration Demy's of the adventure platform genre or the decelerated popularity of tactical strategy games over the years see that just sounded like a mouthful, didn't it? Yeah, popularity I mean, yeah, it does mean a reduction in speed, right? But you know Weird decelerated popularity stalker is an adventure platformer All they don't Climb over their parents Remember when that game wasn't dead? I do Ripped what game sorry? Ripped dirty bomb But 900 hours in that shit I thought you were talking about stalker. I was about to fight you What rip rip stalker? No Well, I mean it's not like stalker is super played right now. Is it um cheeky breeky. Yes Cheeky breeky leak your tea tea Cheeky breeky stalker to come sometime in the near future Wait, whoa, why is this stupid video thing jumping around? Adventure platform genre or the decelerated popularity of tactical strategy games over the years? All victims of changing consumer tastes not only I don't know that's true victims of changing consumer tastes because people wanted more Um collectathon adventure that people fucking were desperate for banjo 3e But it never came out and then they made nuts and bolts because of all the shit that went on with uh rare So I don't know that that's because of people's changing values. I think that's just I don't know Because I'm assuming you guys are aware of this question, but does the market shape our Uh, you know desires or is it the other way around or is it both? Um, I think it's a bit of both. I think it's a bit of both We can be influenced and introduced to new things through the market But people for the most part kind of know what they like And they'll seek it out Yeah, and I you know, you get something new that a lot of people like that's not gonna work And then people love it and then thus the market reflects that and starts putting out more of it like doom clones There's loads of portal clones starfox adventures count as a platformer. I don't know Um, well, this is the things adventure platformer There's a lot of fuck doxels. There's enough platforming to justify Montage of saying look adventure platform Especially in ts2 Also, I want to know what this um inlay of the steam thing here is supposed to be Pointing us towards Dirty bomb and this these examples, right? Yeah, but back in the day dirty bomb was still no, it's zoom again on the sign in information He's gonna show us his email and password So good if you guys have any questions get your email already so you can email tone low your questions Concerning uh, your favorite characters and team fortress. His name is tonal strategy games over the years all victims of changing consumer tastes Not only but today's digital age allowed. Why why tone? Why did you do that? You know what you had to do What you had to do for that is you had to get a page you had to get that page You had to record it and then you had take the clip and then you had to go to the beginning of the Clip and then take the window of that of it and you have to slide it all the way up above the image And then you have to click the end of the clip and you have to slide the little window all the way down to the bottom So when it plays it moves from top to bottom and that's a lot of work for nothing Why tone why? I just want to know why you do these completely unnecessary edits. Do you think even has a steam account? Do you think you just like downloaded the app and was like I just going to show it to pretend Oh, I need to know why Because like why wouldn't you be signed into steam? Who is not signed? No, oh, wait, hold up hold up in his defense. Yeah In his defense If I open up a steam link that opens up in chrome I'm not signed in in chrome But why would he get footage from google chrome steam when it's because of the app? No, because there's just a big sense the read them I wish you open up the chrome browser version Because wait, well, are you seeing that tonus of poser? I don't I don't think that tone actually has a steam account. I think when people send in the link for it He went stay am what the fuck? Okay, fair enough. Yeah, I'm steamed hams. It's damn steamed hams, but seriously I I'm legitimately because a lot of work goes into making that because you have to fit it to the image So that it fills the whole screen then you have to size it down So it doesn't take up the entire screen because you've got the blur effect going on behind this, right? So you already had footage and you've blurred it behind us And you have this playing And you wonder What was the point of all that editing? Well, someone's suggested to protect any personal shit that makes you up on his steam I don't know that I don't think I don't think anything would Well, then why does he show the part where it should He's already got it cropped so you can't see the Popular new releases. I don't think it would matter Hey, look if I go if I log into steam right now and I go to the store page All you have to do because yeah, he crops out the part at the top where it says store library community And then your name. Yeah So it's a matter of you, but if you google Downward thrust steam the first thing that links is downward thrust steam profile What What is it used to go he used to go by the name he doesn't use stem okay tone look and square shift and dark soul slowly sucks What hang on I want to see There might be something more to this than I haven't seen yet because I'm not only but today's digital age Allows for the influx of an infinite amount of games to flood in around us And circling back older games lack relevancy today. Why does he allow it to scroll so far off topic? Is that what your is all your point was right? Well, my point was that like the original before You have this one here and Fuck notice as well that it's angled. He's angled the whole thing to where it's tilted Yeah, so I don't know why he did that but that's an extra thing that he's done to it He's made like how many videos praising dark souls three and one of his usernames was dark souls three sucks. Well What's wrong with him because his his view on dark souls three reflects common view Which is the dark souls three is iterative of dark souls one as in too many bonfires because apparently people have bonfires The the bosses were too same either blah blah blah, but the and the wheel building sucks because it's all mainly linear Um, so he might have jumped on that train Again, I don't consider tone look to have original thoughts like I don't know that he's ever had one But He might have had that name. My original point was he went through a lot of editing work To make something show up on screen that has no purpose I mean, you just don't understand it if you think it does no purpose clear. I I that's right. I don't understand it Cool age allows you guys wouldn't understand the inherent superiority of browser steam because you aren't And it comes in from the right hand side it goes it goes from the right to us So it appears we has an effect that makes it appear from Why in its angle and it's behind a blurred gameplay? I would rather watch gameplay. Just keep the gameplay going good I'm like, oh something's happening. There's a thing doing the thing infinite amount of games to flood in around us And circling back older games lack relevancy today because of this It sure as hell not as fun going back to a game with 15 year old outdated gameplay systems Oh that depends on the game statement. It's not fun to play a thing that is outdated It's like well if it's outdated sure, but it depends on what you're talking about Yeah, and sometimes outdated things can have novelty to them Like if you go if you go to steam like I've told people go to steam and play quake one and quake two and you'll love it My adult quick one. I got the the dark places mod for it Which basically updates it to like a 2010 graphic game Yeah, it's uh, it's good shit binding of isak. It's old. It's still fun game. Do you mean like old mechanically or? No, like Just mean old in general when when did it? Yeah, I mean when when did the first binding of I mean fuck? Isn't like chess and tetris like the biggest debunkers of the whole like the just games that never aged Yeah, balder skate is still fun It's complicated What he said is unfalsifiable. He's like it's less fun if it's less fun. It's like yeah Yeah, balder skate came out in 98 That game is 20 years old around us And circling back older games lack relevancy today because of this It sure as hell not as fun going back to a game with 15 year old outdated gameplay systems These games don't that depends on this on the game. Yeah. Yeah. I mean look at look at spyro That's not outdated at all. It depends on the game really There's yeah, that's that's the whole point if he'd said something like a doom is outdated. I'd be like, uh We are we are yeah, it's a thing. He doesn't put any examples in now If you were talking about like the very first tomb raider, I'd agree because I hate the whole which one is this I loved it. Which one's this? Uh, this is one of the two ones. Is it maybe I think so. This is like um the legends of light or something I haven't played all no guardians of light is like there's another one on steam that came out I want to say Guardians of light is like that top down one, isn't it that could be yeah, I think this is either Legend tomb raider tomb raider anniversary. That's another one Yeah, it might be that laura croft relic run laura croft go laura croft in the temple of osiris Uh laura croft in the guardian of light laura Tomb raider underworld tomb raider anniversary tomb raider legend tomb raider the angel of darkness. I think it's one of those four I think it's one of those four and then there's also chronicles the last one chronicles tomb raider curse of the sword Jesus tomb raider That's a lot of tomb raiders. That's a lot of tomb and I ain't even named maul I can keep going Tomb raider the action adventure tomb raider tomb raider two tomb raider three tomb raider Tomb raider the action adventure like tomb raider 2000 for game boy color That's a thing Now let's go through the tomb tomb raider movies. No, that's that's that's just Nope too late. What has begun cannot be stopped Tomb raider can can we not Team world outdated game that is really no these games don't say Terminator Genesis If terminator genesis taught me anything it's that you can always make something good and then ruin it Tomb tomb tomb raider Did I say tomb raider genesis? I don't know. I I meant to say terminator, but yeah Great we broke rags What was that? I meant to say terminator. I don't know if I was saying tomb raider. No, Tomb Raider Yeah, so it's a luminator Womb raider guys tone look is giving us We do what what one We can't do womb raider. That's No, no, we can't that's reserved for like Harvey Weinstein. That's what all the that's what all the boys called me. Yeah Now you don't know what that was. Thank you outdated gameplay systems. These games don't satiate the pallets of gamers satiate Satiate that is a weird Oh, it's a word. I I know it's just really out of nowhere Oh my god, that's like when trump said braggadocious and it's like that's too many syllables Why do you need to say it's satiate Satisfy just say satisfy gamers. Yeah, or you could just say sate sate Yes, but I'd still recommend satisfy over that just because like fucking hell just because it's like tone This is too smart of a word for you She ate the it does stand out. It does stand out just a bit pallets of gamers Whom have had their preferences changed through time more over due to the fact that so many games exist out there It can debunk the affinity Oh, hang on. Let me play it. I'm a little I'll scoot it back a little bit and then we can debunk some more affinity It's infinity war exists out there. It can debunk the affinity towards our favorite games Debunk the affinity that is I think what he's saying is like new New stuff can make us not want to play the old stuff. That's what he's trying to say I'm not even calling that. It doesn't make sense as a statement Affinity is like I kind of do I kind of do I have I actually don't like that first Because when you because an affinity is like at like a liking or a sympathy for something Do you want to call towards something you want to say debunking that you'd say exactly all the lines of like Because it did argue it exposed the falseness or the hollowness of that's what the debunks is But that doesn't make sense So if you expose the hollowness of how much you like a thing that would be like saying you don't actually like the last Jedi That much your more tied to Star Wars You could argue that's debunking the affinity, but I'd never say that That would be a really hard sell to sell to tell gamers that you know, you didn't really like this I Sell I'm going to debunk Your affinity or dark souls, but then again, I don't think he actually has any affinity for dark souls I think his like for that series is debunk the affinity. What a strange way to like does it that Do you guys reckon he actually like goes ahead and google some of the words he's using and looks for synonyms Yeah, sars.com. Yeah Like I just what if he doesn't know I bet a It just occurred to me Do you think he actually knows what the source.com is or do you think he just goes onto google and he's like words that sound like Or words that are like this. This is the intellectual gaming community. I know that He knows that yeah Community give me a break. Our lord don't look So Debunk the affinity towards our favorite games and make us less inclined to stand for outdated gameplay design Like he may point it to a two-syllable word for no reason No, I just want to I just want to say that it's really good that he made such a statement without really backing it up He's just oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah Oh, I what a good statement to make You guys didn't really like all this stuff next point Let's let's get the the unadulterated complete take on this just for chat because again for some reason I'm like three seconds behind all three of you apparently. Yeah, hold on. I'm confused before you do this real quick Um, what was his first talking point? point That games that are made affinity more well The other fun the other fun game with tonal just to spot the arbitrary pauses. So where he'll just rant Dumbly start pausing And then you'll be like, why did he pause there? Fucking doing tonal Unusual or where he puts random emphasis on parts of All right, there should be no emphasis on let's let's go until 230. Are you saying are you saying he's accenting the wrong syllable? So Let's go to toothay and listen for all of the obituary pauses and the just just all of it All right, all right more over to the fact that so many games exist out there It can debunk the affinity towards our favorite games and make us less inclined to stand for outdated games Let's take a peek at our second talking point So good Oh, I just love hearing all of his random pauses for no reason It's I miss I miss you good old down. I know it's been too long. I've missed you tonal You're like my favorite our second talking point relevant games to mirror current gaming standards relevant games mirror current gaming standards Uh, isn't that self-fulfilling again? They would be relevant if they were to Yeah, that's almost like a tautology I'm confused by that statement The most relevant games in my opinion that stand up today are the ones that gel with our current gameplay trends the most relevant games In my opinion that stand up today The most relevant in my opinion. What the hell is the point in qualifying them as Do you just mean your favorites? Like why don't you just look at why don't you just look at um List of the most popular games And be like according to the list of the most popular games by units So yeah, yeah, because our concurrent players we can you know, it we can see that there is a trend How can you have relevant in my opinion? How does that make any sense? Is it as in as if to say This is constructed from my point of view and not any kind of standard like that's obviously what he's using that Fucking phrase Is irrelevant in my opinion How could you say that to debunkinator of finesis? Um, but yeah like to be because how would you guys judge relevancy? It's probably the amount of current players or the amount of sales are made something like that I would say sales players retained over time I think that makes sense and he's and then he's like said he's about to move in to talk about examples Is my guess and so now he's like, oh shoot if these accounted as not relevant by some metric I'm just going to say in my opinion. So I'm immune from criticism Well, in tonald's see He's like this thing in this video. He hasn't qualified Anything how can you call if anything in fucking five minutes, dude? I mean he could but he's not gonna be concise. Yeah, I was gonna say brevity is the soul of it rags Gotta get him out. Get him out. Go go go go Are the ones that gel with our current gameplay trends don't keep on so he said like what is relevant Is what matches trends, which again is not just Self-fulfilling that's that's the it is what it is It is what it is. It is what it is, man Country mario 3 punch out some of the old street fighter games crash bandicoot. Did you spot the trend? No, there are games that are immediately satisfying and offer a good sense of challenge. What are you? Limited by gameplay engine. What? Let's go back. What in the hell is he saying? What is that gel with our current gameplay trends? So these are games that gel with our current gameplay trends So that's gonna be the common thread with all these donkey con country mario 3 punch out some of the old street fighter games I think what he is trying to say in his own special way Is that Sometime because interests will come and go. It's like a roller coaster It's cyclical almost you could say Um, there will come a time when like real-time strategy games are really popular and maybe not quite as much But then there'll be a resurgence stuff like that. And so I think he's trying to say That if a fighting game like if fighting games make a little upward swing in terms of sales Maybe that will make older games that are fighting games More relevant again because currently that genre is getting more interest And upward swing as opposed to a downward threat Hmm I think that's what he's trying to say In the worst way well the thing is as far as i'm concerned He's just naming games that were relatively known to be popular games And then he's gonna throw a thing on the end to explain why even though it's gonna be some arbitrary Donkey Kong country mario 3 punch out some of the old street fighter games crash bandicoot Did you spot the trend they're games that are immediately satisfying and offer a good sense of challenge However, even these games are limited by gameplay engineered on 15 year old controller schematics No schematics schematics Designed on a console that didn't even So I mean even without the even with the thumbsticks now when it wasn't designed with thumbsticks in mind initially The three spiral games three that matter anyway They play wonderfully. I also don't I I'm I'm pretty staunch into saying that banjo-kazoo He doesn't actually require any changes like it's just playable to the only thing is graphics. Maybe I don't really care Like the controller it doesn't make that argument doesn't make sense I don't understand when he made it he said like why were they popular and it's like because they were What was it like just immediately fun and engaging or whatever He just said something arbitrary and then he moves on to say but They're outdated it was like but they wouldn't have been outdated when they came out. Isn't that what you were just talking about? Yeah, I thought well your that's your first point was right like this is the thing I'd have to write this out to break this down because it's such a weird line of thought where he goes from like What makes a game relevant? Well, it's based on what is popular in trending and it's like obviously and then he's like For example in my opinion donky kong and then mario and he's like why would these games popular because of this reason? But they were outdated. You're like, what the fuck you doing right now? Like I did it This reminds me of that awful watch mojo video where these are effects from movies that are super outdated and They cite something for a completely different movie about how it's important to remember That effects for the time need to be taken into account And then they cite that uh terminator one has bad effects But when terminator one came out those effects were pretty fucking good And as well as that point that he points out in the chat Does he know that the mouse and keyboard haven't changed in decades? Got him. Yeah, good point. Again. He doesn't have a steam Country mario 3 punch out some of the old street fighter games crash bandicoot Did you spot the trend? They're games that are immediately satisfying and offer a good sense of challenge Immediately satisfying and offer a good sense of challenge. How many games can you apply those two labels to? Wait, wait, I don't think street fighters If you don't think spiros immediately satisfying your your microphones dying as well Um, okay mario. Hello. Hey, okay Oh, yeah, just drop out and drop back in when when I spoke to him before apparently that like solves it so There we go So, oh, hey, what's up? We're glad you're back. Hi, buddy. You work. Hello. Hello solved now proceed with your point No, I mean like I don't think street fighter is immediately satisfying if you're playing against other people that are better than you I agree true Yeah, the thing is what I was saying is can what games can those two things be applied to Challenging and instantly satisfying I think donkey Kong. Yeah, sure. Well, I'm I'm suggesting that there's very few games that you could never apply those two Oh, okay I mean, there's a lot of games that require practice and work and that's where the satisfaction comes from it doesn't come from instant gratification It comes from knowing that you're improving and getting better and better over time to imply that that's the reason why they became Relevant games or trending games. I'm like Hmm And then he's gonna move on to say that they're but they're dated by their technology, which again is like that's not even true in every case And see this is what we mean when people are like, hey man Fucking take so long to make videos and stuff. And I'm just like, yeah, but I'd rather say that than say nothing He's just saying a bunch of nothing right now. Like there's so much stuff with so many questions. We have so many questions Chase face just PM me saying hey, can't tell rags. I like his content Hey, thank you I think he'll be pleased in the next few days Oh, hey, cool. Rags doesn't know what he's talking about Last of us rags doesn't know what he's talking about. I don't know. I don't get it I did yesterday. I was talking about the the three when my opinion The most the three most overrated games of all time and my three were the last of us skyrim and Bioshock infinite I agree with that. I agree with it too. I think the last of us is disgustingly overrated. So I mean, it's not a bad game It's just um, people give it way more credit for being the most predictable story. I've ever seen in a video game With characters that only get likable in like the last 40 minutes or so Dude, I like the characters in the story more than I like the mechanics the his easiest stealth options. I've ever seen Gunplay that's super simplistic a world that has been done about a hundred thousand times No, it's not zombies. It's flower monsters. It's new zombies. I mean As a point yes video Our friend in the chat skeleton boner lord um Said that tetris is a crap game because it was designed to work on the og game boy, which is over 30 years old This is true. There you go. Yeah, it's shit However, even these games are limited by gameplay engineered on races limited Is that are they still good though? Because you know technically banjo kazooie is limited by its time, but it's still There's nothing I'd change about it specifically technology wise outside of graphics Yeah, I mean, where do you draw the line between is it limited because it's good game design to have limits at certain places? Or is it limited because technology put in limits that otherwise if they weren't there would make the game better You're kind of judging a hypothetical game At that point we have to assume so much of what he's even saying Because it's like so little to work with because because all he would have to say is these games were made on older technology And who knows how amazing they might be if technology didn't hinder them in certain ways A birtman said I thought he meant that those games are still relevant because their gameplay even though designed for different Controls still exist today and others still trending. I don't know that that's his point right now I'm confused as to what exactly his point is. I thought he was just saying these are games that did well in their time Like they trended when they were new They were relevant when they released obviously you wouldn't necessarily say donkey kong country The two or whatever is relevant right now. It'd be kind of weird like I wouldn't even say the original doom is relevant right now But I still say it's extremely popular anyway Yeah, I mean the title of this video is our older video games relevant Are we any closer to an answer? Well, I And that's the thing if you if you ask me that question I'd be like what do you mean by relevant and then you give me a specific standard and then you'd be an easy answer Like I would say definitely People consider doom when making games nowadays. I'd be like possibly Depends on the game again, and it's like do people make games trying to bank on older games Franchise and stuff making them relevant. I'd be like absolutely I mean it would take 10 seconds at the beginning to say and by relevant. I mean Yeah Before we go on mauler, I just wanted to know purely out of curiosity We started watching the video at 30 minutes. How long have we been going for? 150 We oh wow. It's taking us an hour and a half to get through Two hours two minutes at 48. He's covering a hell of a lot of interesting things, but he's not saying anything about them He's mentioning a lot of interesting things and just blowing by them without a care in the world and we actually give a Yeah, like this is the thing. I could we could be making loads of conversations It's a really interesting about all these topics. He's just like bleh bleh bleh. I'm just like, okay We'll make the video for you. Downy. I mean downward thrust Downsie. I mean the tonals Fuckers are limited by gameplay engineered on 15 year old controller schematics more often than not Hopping in something like super mario maker will feel leagues better and be more rewarding than some of those old dinosaurs Which is exactly why I'm sorry. How what? How's he making these claims? But Further again more importantly though. I want to talk about the other speed Hopping in something like super mario maker will feel leagues better and be more rewarding than some of those old dinosaurs Which is exactly what's not even true Wait, wait, wait necessarily first of all, but second you got to give us examples as to why Yeah, why give us anything for why? Yeah, he just says it feels better on new controllers, but not but no, it's I mean What what does he mean? Is the responsiveness of the controller better or or or something? Is he just saying that playing this old game on new controllers like super mario maker Is a much better experience because I said it in nice words. That's what he's saying Yeah, is it does it run at a higher resolution doesn't have a higher frame rate and even then the concept is Identical does that make old the older game that is clearly based off of irrelevant? Is he suggesting? That to play let's just say the first mario game on nests with that controller Is no one you're satisfying as playing the exact same game on the updated controller on the switch in in this game Because if so, I think that's what he's saying, but that's like A strange thing to say. I'm not even a hundred percent sure of why you would even bring that up Yeah, I mean what's he saying like the old controller schematics like how on emulator We're all playing like potentially without 60 controllers or ps4 controls attached to the pc through the emulator Which means we're not technically playing as it was originally intended which What does this have to do with whether or not all games are relevant? Like what rag said he our friend tony didn't say what relevant means So I don't know what the point of the video is at this point Let's try this. Let's try this again. I'll try and go for longer. I'm not popping in something like super mario maker We'll feel leagues better and be more rewarding than some of those old dinosaurs So it's such a strange thing to say that he said be more rewarding. I don't really Know why you would and also what does he mean by rewarding exactly like it's super subjective Like is it because oh, it's so smooth when I play it on the switch controller or Oh, it's so much satisfying because of some achievement I don't I don't know and if there's a point here that he's trying to make is that Because essentially he's what he what he's doing here without maybe knowing he's doing it or saying it outright Is he's qualifying what isn't isn't relevant Is if something comes out like if version 2 comes out and it runs better but uses the same concept The previous one is no longer relevant Like is that what we're using as the standard for what does determine if something's relevant or not True that we should we should tweet at him and ask what is it to be relevant? What do you mean? What does your title mean maker will feel leagues better and be more rewarding than some of those old dinosaurs Which is exactly why games have sequels more importantly, though That's not no Okay, like the reason a game gets a sequel that is a very complicated subject It's not because the original is not relevant anymore That's because it is relevant opposite. Yeah, like yeah And sometimes I mean in the case of some games It's like because the story is continuing or because they want to bank on a franchise Because they just want more of it all because the first one was shit And they the developers are like we need to make a better attempt at this You can make a sequel for so many fucking reasons. Oh, yeah bungee made halo 3 because halo 2 definitely sucked It definitely wasn't one of the biggest games ever. No halo 2 was irrelevant. That's why they made halo 3 God makes sense irrelevant guys. Gosh, and that's why halo 3 odst was made because nobody likes halo 3 What a strange thing to say total no matter. It's so random Like how suddenly that's why sequels are made guys What aren't you paying pension? We have to try and Investigate his wording to find out what he means It's like dissecting him in a lab. Why do those coins look like boobs? And some of those old dinosaurs, which is exactly why games have sequels more importantly though I want to talk about it. It's such a weird statement to throw in seriously Yeah, it's yeah, it's and you know how how confident he is in saying it. Exactly This is why More importantly though, I want to talk about the other species of games, you know There's more content in each sentence Then there is In all of destiny one and two combined. Oh wait, can we get a quick sidebar? Can you get the quick sidebar from wolf? Have you heard what happened with bungee and they split with that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I still don't trust bungee Do you know I don't either but i'm interested bungee totally shattered my trust. I'm not I mean Look, I don't doubt that activision definitely had a hand in the section of destiny But bungee also treated marty o'donnell like shit They got rid of all their talented writers. So their stories aren't good either their gameplay is really dull in monday I mean I even if they make a destiny three or whatever they make next it's like Unless I am guaranteed that it's going to be A good game and I hear reviews from people that I trust and that does that that excludes Anyone that gave destiny one and two a good rating because I don't trust them Um, I'm never buying a bungee game again Because I mean with my destiny two buddy and we're gonna we're gonna have fun with destiny three, right fringy Buddy, oh pal I'll wait for your review when you make that but otherwise it's like just because Yes, however, does that mean that they're redeemed in my eyes No, because I was a huge bungee fan and I as a fan a long-time fan that I've been playing their games for like well over a decade I honestly do not feel like they deserve my money and unless I am absolutely certain That their next game is at least an eight out of ten. I'm not buying another game from them Oh, would someone mentioned in the chat what about like the the star wars sequels Are the origin is the original trilogy relevant? Yes, yes It's irrelevant to the people that have Oh, I was gonna say by the way So when he was writing this script, right? He was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna say and this is relevant You know different a different kind of games or different sort of games or oh, fuck, you know, that's too too low brow What is the word I could use instead of kind or sort? It's like, what about species? Yeah Species a video game because that's how people talk toned you got it nailed it nailed it I'm talking about the classic games that we often I want to hear it again. It's too beautiful. I want to talk about the other species of games I'm talking even the other species Like he's so satisfied with himself. Oh species. Yeah, fucking nailed it even though there's no ancient species Like I guess I should add Like in brackets add random pauses to gadelp Even though I'm pretty sure I've got it. I'm gonna add even more this time just for tonals About the classic games that we often reminisce about but go back and play them again It's harder to fall back in love with them No This is a totally subjective statement Well, yeah, I mean is it harder to fall back in love with doom for one person But not for another because for me it's like every time I go back and play the original doom I love it Well, it's the same for me and quake Yeah That that depends completely on the person and what their preferences are after they've changed from The next amount of years after playing the last game Like yeah, so just my dolphin emulator like I've got like fucking 30 games on there that Some of them. Yes, you play them and go. Oh, wow, this is not as good as I remember But then some of me like shit, man, this is almost better than I remember Yeah, I mean I remember when I made my review of the force unleashed. I had like in my head I was like, oh man, I remember this game was like a nine out of 10 It was awesome. Then I went back and replayed it and I was like, uh, we're a six really I mean it really depends on the game Right like aging well or not based on mechanics graphics everything else and But he's not basically like I mean I was a I was still a kid when that game came out So I mean that might have colored my opinion too. I was more impressed by like the graphics and mechanics and story at that point But now I'm in color Classic games like Final Fantasy 4 or 7 Castlevania Chrono trigger zeno gears or even some of the old Zelda games. Are they still relevant today? What are you that's different to whether they hold up today? And how is it different? How are these old games different are different species from the old games you've mentioned earlier? Dude We'll never get out of the fight. I said species but in different clades Different genealogy. Okay, if you if you understood the genealogy of my bad my bad trigger Xeno gears or even some of the old Zelda games. Are they still relevant today? Tell us the answer. I challenge you to go back and slug 50 hours in this way So in this scenario then relevant means still mechanically sound to this day. Is that what he's saying? Yeah, I guess That's such a stupid definition for relevant. Why would why would you define relevancy by whether or not it holds up Why would you define relevancy three and a half minutes into your six minute video? Said about the biker night. It's too deep for you rags Xeno gears or spend a month finishing Final Fantasy 7 No, you fucking do it. It's your video. He's saying that if he did it already and he's found the truth rags the older video games Yeah, I'm saying rags I played those games Is that if he really slugged all those hours into Final Fantasy 3, how come he's only playing parts from the very beginning of the game? I'm just saying Xeno gears or spend a month finishing Final Fantasy 7 You'll find that the systems engineered for these games are quite clunky and extremely time consuming. I'm looking Wait time consuming isn't even that's neutral. It doesn't even know if you could have good time consuming stuff And jrpgs are grindy by nature. You're gonna have to grind for levels. So I don't it's like The fact he said clunky as well. It's like come on, man. No, no exactly. I think The material system in ff7 is I think Good. Also, I like the draw system in ff8 also. I what does he mean by clunky? This is the thing clunky can mean a lot of different things Is it because it's awkward to play because it's too long You said grindy. That's a way better qualifier than time consuming because things like my favorite games are time consuming Doesn't mean anything specifically It's like is that good? You're like, well, I mean if I had fun during it consuming by time He's just ejaculating words into the ether time consuming. I'm looking at you nights of the round old buddy Wait, stop. Stop. Stop nights of the round is cool Shut shut the fuck up. Okay. That's it. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's all you're telling you to be silent Round old buddy. The reason is the e-fap is pretty time consuming this Developers of old games were ill equipped to standardize smart gameplay pacing into classic games. Wait, that's wait Wait, that's for any game right now. I don't know. What the fuck are you talking about? Wait, you could lopsided story objectives. Let's hang on. Let's get that again. I really didn't follow about one What does that mean? Developers of old games were ill equipped to standardize smart gameplay pacing into They were oh my god, let's calm this right. Okay. All right. Here we go boys. Here we go boys. Oh, everyone's stretch Let me get my 50 pound weights real. Oh, I need to write this statement down I'm cracking my knuckles right now All right, shawn t time to do insanity work out number five like my grandmother just texted me now. This is football What? Does she mean to text you? I don't know but This is football the reason she has two exclamation points and a football emoji Do you think she's watching e-fap? Yeah, I think she might be watching football I'm uh, you guys do whatever you want for sec. I've got the video up on a second window I'm just gonna write out his sentence in full All right, actually mentally prepare yourself and I'm going to get a um You're gonna fill up this drink. So I'll be right back. Yeah, what was that? No, this is my my yeti So yeti, I don't know if well, I like your thermos Okay Smart game yeti wants to buy white supremacy It was 50 bucks to standard and I use it every day and it's amazing. I love my yeti You know what's another good thing is a hydro flask you fill it up and that's how much water You're supposed to have in a day and it pretty much works exactly like a yeti play pacing into classic games Dude this sentence wow, it's amazing wolf. Yeah Backtracking I got the better side of story objectives Playing playing fucking sentence This is not a script I refuse to believe it awful pacing from area to area. Oh, did you get the very said awful pacing from area to area? Okay, so sorry what's the setup for this sentence anyway Month finishing Final Fantasy 7 you'll find that the systems engineered for these games are quite clunky And extremely time-consuming. I'm looking at you nice of the round old buddy. The reason is this So he's saying games are clunky whatever it's just fine old games Old games clunky and then his execution of the next bit is the reason is this The developers of old games are ill equipped to standardize smart gameplay pacing into classic games Backtracking. Oh, that's a halo too. Well, the statement itself is just like whoa What do you what developers of old game? Okay, so first of all, what is an old game? um illiquid Ill equipped what does it mean to be ill equipped to be able to generate quote-unquote smart gameplay pacing And what does it mean to standardize that? How does one standardize smart gameplay pacing in old games? And why are they ill equipped to do so? What a statement, dude Yeah, and and he's got to leave us to do it for ourselves, you know, play the game see for yourself Like I don't like this is this is this is it guys. This is the thing So when I'm like, oh my god, I make like a 10 hour video talking about chicken You're like, why did you take so long? Couldn't you've been quick? I'm like, have you ever listened to the people who are making the short videos ever? Do you ever listen to these sentences and you're like, wait a minute? Like what what did you just say? And some people be like, wow, this is so pedantic And I'm like, no, just tell me what this sentence means because I fucking have no idea Because I get not Not only does it he qualify it He tells us to play it to see if what he's saying is true If you know, I think I got a apt Analogy his videos are kind of like the fourth song of ice and fire book Just a bunch of filler and no substance His rags bagging pots together. I think he's lost his mind. That's probably it. Oh, yeah He's he's trying to uh recreate. He's just making a cover of that They start banging shit together and breaking everything A poor guy He didn't he didn't deserve I can't believe we're only through fucking not even one of down with I forgot to tweet out that I want to scream also I always forget to tweet out e-fap. I think people get upset by such things Isn't your twitter set so that it'll uh alert people as soon as you go live or upload a video? Oh Yeah, oh wait, no, sorry. Uh, it's it's on discord. I don't think it's on twitter though Oh Someone drew down with thrust apparently Really? I want to see it. Okay. You guys are getting choppy. So I'll leave Okay, I'll see DM must use chrome Eggs what's eggs mean eggs. Oh Eggs. Oh the intellectual gaming thing. Uh intellectual gaming Uh, I forgot. I thought it was community society Society intellectual gaming society We live in an intellectual gaming society Like I even like the low low effort memes Downward thrust aka the thesaurus Um, yeah, okay, uh, yeah, so okay rags, uh Okay, I have written out the sentence. We're gonna listen to it and then I'll pull it up just so that we can actually fucking Figure it out. All right. That's our goal figure out all right That sounds like a noble goal time consuming I'm looking at you nights of the round old buddy. The reason is this Developers of old games were ill-equipped to standardized smart gameplay pacing into classic games Backtracking lopsided story objectives awful pacing from area to area Non-scaling enemies and zones lack of proper save states. It was hell in some of these games Let's fast forward to 2016 With so much data out there so most developers So that was let's fast forward to 2016 because it's 2015 game So that was that was the full sense. All right, so stop me when it's let's pretend for a second guys And I'm like, oh, hey rags wolf. We can I want to talk to you guys about this idea I had so like yeah Old games are just so clunky And like the reason for it Okay, okay, go. What do you mean? Oh, what do you mean old games are clunky? Okay, let's you know, let's let's tally it So that's one strike because obviously I I can't answer Old games are clunky. I mean all games are clunky. Well, there's two questions there. We can worry is back back. Hey You're okay, dude. You're right. Yeah. Yeah. Good. So Rags is two strikes. So because I said old games. What does that mean? One year ago five years ago 10 years ago eight years ago What does it mean to you? Yeah, um when you say old games to me I probably would say like um Xbox original and earlier. I'm thinking like Eight and before it now like obviously it grows if when we're in 2030 Like 15 games will be old and no god is weird to think that the witcher three and ory are both like four years old now Yeah I think that maybe my perception of the game is old or not is based off of that's kind of when I started to get into Gaming when was black ops released 2010? Nine years ago. Oh my god Skyrim was seven years ago god I remember coming back from middle school and playing black ops with my friends. That was fun All right, so old games are clunky two strikes. Let's let's move on stop me if you guys have any issues with the sense The reason for those things Is the developers of old games are ill equipped to standardize smart gameplay pacing into class Stop that depends on that depends on the game The platform it's on there's the sentence so Specific about what the strike is so we can get all you want to like get this sentence and like display it on the screen I've got it on screen You do okay, okay, so here's the few guys then as well Here's my thoughts on it that that doesn't make any sense that depends on the year was made What console it was made what game it was what genre it was what developer it was what publisher it was How much money they had? I mean that depends on so many different factors and he's not going to give us one example So I don't know what he's trying to say about this. All right The developers of old games are ill equipped. That's how they spell equipped To standardize not how you supposed to hear this smart gameplay No, that is that is qi pped Maybe that's the british version of spelling it. I don't know. I mean, no, hang on. Let me check What is how do you spell equipped dictionary definition? I mean we would equip provide it'll fit it out Wait, so there's two ways to spell equipped Really? I have never seen it like that. Yeah, just like standardized in america. We use a z but in uk it's an s s yeah Just like connection with a t. Do you know that uh c o n n e x i Oh, some people. Okay, so this website says equipped the way I've spelled it is not a word Uh someone said they both When reg says I mean, I'm interested in knowing if I've been spelling it wrong the whole time. I'm I'm cool with that. I just don't I've never seen it like that I will let's let's think are there any other words that would uh follow that same formula. Yes. Yes, um There's some words like that we would use an ed for that in the uk. They would use a t like Um, fuck. I gotta find an example. I know of them I'm fine. I think of it right now some take on this Even even when I type in equipped with a t it says did you mean equipped with a d? Like it's in merriam-webster as a that word. That's the interesting part. So I guess it does exist Definition of equipped. Yeah On the way. No, so, uh, yeah, someone in the chat actually said dreamed and dreamt Yeah, I guess learned Well, no actually, I don't know if that would be the same because with equipped you had an extra p Yeah, oh, that's true dreamed and dreamt. Oh, no, they make the same thing Yeah, learned and learned that's a pretty good example Well, yeah, but I don't think so because you don't add an extra ending consonant to the end to learned Yeah, there's only one in but in equipped there's two p's You take a quip and then you add another p. Oh, I thought you were just I thought you were just meaning the t Language, I don't know about equipped. I've never seen it spelt that way. I haven't either. I wonder That's another one spelled and spelt Spell Leap no because it because it keeps it it keeps the same amount of consonants at the end These are things I imagine we're just we're just talking about the spelling though. Oh, that's what I'm saying You're because with equipped equipped is based off of a word that only has one p at the end But it adds an extra p and then an ed. Oh wait, okay, so I'm trying to get the So again, I don't know the the authority of this website But it says equipped the way I've spelt it is archaic really archaic It's not been in common usage since the early 18th century And that's really all that needs to be said that apparently the modern spelling is what rags is talking about So technically valid, I guess I mean, I know I knew what you said when you wrote it So it depends on what your definition of relevant is really I mean I'm okay to keep using it if it's if it's accepted. It's like decimate Someone said woman and inferior Oh I'm gonna standardize that's British versus American. So that's okay, but um I'm pretty sure anyway. The s versus the z We need to have words that have like the apostrophes in them equip Apostrophe t I'll just put the z there for rags to make sure we need to go back to uh, no, it's fine That's how you want to do it If that's how you do it over in your little island country, then that's fine I mean, I don't trust you colonists in the way you write things. It's terrifying It's technically how the rest of the world aside from Canada and the u.s. Do it, but we go We got uh, we got all the strikes from from wolf done rags. Do you want to tackle this this one? The developers of old games Are ill equipped to standardize smart gameplay pacing into classic games Why would you want to standardize? gameplay pacing Yeah, what first off what's smart gameplay pacing and how do you standardize it? We need examples downward. Yeah examples are varying. That's that sentence is like a meme sentence This is where I mean that one one for one will be going in gadel because that's like the kind of writing I actually put into gadel the developers of old games are ill equipped So they would like to maybe but they can't do to their equipment Yes, but technology I suppose will not allow them To standard. Well, here's the thing. It's the developers of old games are ill equipped to standardize smart gameplay pacing Into classic games into old games. So what does that even mean developers of old games into classic games? What are now there's a difference between old games and classic games? maybe Can you just say developers if he's talking about either classic or old like he doesn't need both of those qualifiers I don't know, but he's He's drawn a he's drawn a difference between old games and classic games without yeahcribing them Because he's implying that the developers of these old games are They are trying they can't They're something that they have doesn't translate into classic games Maybe what he's trying to say is that uh the smart gameplay pacing makes an old game a classic game Is that what he's trying to say? I I actually don't think so. What is smart gameplay? What's a classic game? Let's google smart gameplay I wonder what comes out And the thing is you could be like he's not talking about smart gameplay. He's talking about smart gameplay pacing Oh, right Smart gameplay pacing The first thing that comes up is gamasutra pacing and gameplay analysis theory And so right okay, so we'll move on from there, right? He's only got 10 strikes. That's not so bad So his examples then of so he's done that sentence and now he's going to provide us five examples of what that sentence is referring to Post them in thing if you have so you got backtracking I don't even You know like backtracking backtracking is so vague. That's in that's like or in the blind forest metroid Is it bad? Is it good? Did they implement it badly? Is that what he's saying? That depends because or in the blind forest has really Backtracking because it's part of the gameplay. Well, of course throughout the game. Yeah Then you have something like halo one where it just like has you do the same levels backwards like two times And I wouldn't call that backtracking Backtracking in dmc4 Or yeah, if you're going to put the metroidvania, I think that's like part of the game What i'm saying is like that is can I think you'd be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't consider super metroid a classic game By the general consensus And so yeah, is he referring to all or just there's some old games That had developers that were unable to execute these five specific things correctly and Thus they are like stains in classic games. Someone said this is the dark souls of arguments Well, no because with dark souls you can clearly tell what the enemy is that needs to die Here we're still trying to figure out what exactly we're supposed to be taking away from all this So yeah, just he's just nebulously states backtracking. So it's like, okay. I guess he's referring to like Poorly executed backtracking because notice with the rest of them. He's got qualifiers. So lopsided awful non-scaling lack of proper, but the vision is just backtracking Let me let me make sure what he says Backtracking lopsic classic games backtracking. Yeah, he literally just says backtracking. So anyway lopsided story objectives What do you guys? I'm giving you one side backtracking Wait one side lower or smaller than the other Wait, so some objectives are bigger than others. Isn't that basic shit? It depends on what the objective is right. Yeah, like if it's, you know, get get to the top of the tower and sub-objectives defeat the bosses on the way It depends on where you are at the story also, right? I mean, what does he mean by that? Like not every part of the story is more important. It's going to be as important as the next one, right? I mean You guys, like you said very lopsided is typically like has bad connotations Like you Most people yeah lopsided bad balance is good Lopsided is bad. Oh, so wait. Are you telling me he googled Balance and he went for the opposite of balance, but in a smarter sounding way Possibly, I don't know what he's trying to say Like on but like if I just googled lopsided. That's what it meant. Uh one side lower or smaller than the other and It depends on where you are at the story Not every part of the story is super important. Like you need pacing like It's part of pacing, right? If you're going to tell a story you can't hit the audience with lots of big moments Like if you only had huge story objectives every time a huge big important one So it's like defeat god defeat Satan defeat blah blah blah you should be like it would be neat to have some other ones I don't understand what game. Oh wait wait wait If that's what he's talking about though, by the way, we don't even know That's a much and I just thought of something How can you standardize pacing when there's slow paced games that are really good and fast paced games that are also really good Someone's a really slow paced game But then you have like call of duty 4, which is really fast Pay I mean he's a lot standardized that kind of pacing. Oh, so someone said um lopsided story objectives Maybe he's talking about the character's priorities versus the player's priorities That's an interesting take. Well, what's the player's priorities in relation? This is what I was gonna say for one. We're essentially writing for him at this point, but two The what it's like a teacher. It's like I'm like a father and my my Retarded son has given me his first draft of his video And I'm and he's in bed right now sleeping and I'm up all night trying to fix it and turn it into something that's Quasi understandable I feel like if you asked him is like hey hey tonal when you said lopsided story objectives Did you mean that when you know the character in the game is is a conflict with the player's intentions and goals This is their story goals. If you will and he just goes You know what I just thought of when I was a kid Like maybe we're talking like four or five I would like write down a bunch of letters in a random order on a sheet of paper Then go up to my parents and say are any of these words and they just be like yep, definitely And I feel like that's how I feel like watching this video I feel like my parents must have felt like trying to understand what jibberish I was writing on a piece of paper when I was four just holds it up to the audience. Is this a video essay? Yes total So yeah, this is this sentence is why these streams are so goddamn long. Well next one non-scaling enemies and zones Oh Um, yeah, uh depends on complicated. Well, wait, wait games do it poorly Like also what he what does he mean by non-scaling of enemies and zones? Does it mean that Some get more difficult or some zones would be made Piss easy if you go there later if they don't scale right, but that's not There's some games that can suffer because of scaling. Yeah, it's You don't even need it if they're linear Or or like what does he mean if you get better at the game some zones will be easier just when you backtrack I mean, well, I think when he says scaling it's referring to the actual mechanic that's found within games Like like skyrim or oblivion, right? Yeah, but I would I would generally say that Bethesda does scaling very poorly That's one of the failures in video games what you just said that makes more sense If he said if he even said bad scaling enemies and so poorly scaling enemies, I would I would be humble but non-scaling What's wrong with it? Not scaling. It depends on what the game is doesn't it? Yeah, it depends on how linear the game is it depends on what you're trying to get the player to do because scaling strikes directions And then um the one I skipped over was awful pacing from area to area So I mean that's just isn't that in his initial sentence awful pacing Like he said develops all games equipped standardized smart gameplay pacing and one of the reasons is awful pacing from area to area It's like wait, that's not just the same thing And then the last one is lack of proper save states. So what does he mean by that? I ask what a proper save state is save states um Slave states how do you have isn't on save states literally just binary like you can save state or you can't Does he mean like there should be more saves the Spaced throughout the level is that what he means or be able to save it anytime instead of having Points like correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that's what a save state was Where you just you save the current state as in you could do it at any point and an emulator Well state well when I hear save states It makes me wonder it's like a condition like a state is like a condition Like are you in a condition where you all this referring to the game save or does that refer to checkpoints? Is that what he means? I'm assuming because save state is an actual gaming tomb like I'm assuming he's talking about save states So like you use that in uh half-life you have save states. That's how the game saves You can just you press start and save and it'll like freeze What you are doing and that's now you'll save and you can load it up You could do it to the point where you've just you're about to get shot in the head You save a split second before and now you've got a save state that's a dead end You can't even continue the game still just kill you every time ah You know moller, I just remembered like back when we used to cover him more often how we pointed out that um He needs he just says all these random things and expects the audience will think of examples for him So he doesn't have to that's my theory on this stuff Everybody comes to their own conclusion and and actually accredits him for it So like we get all of our conclusions about all these subjects and then we'd be like well What a great video. It's like there's nothing to do with the video We have to do all this ourselves It's like he just like brought up the conversation. We were the ones that actually did the work It's a single player experience This is like all of these points like every single fucking one Is very poorly worded Yeah, that's you can interpret it in multiple different ways that don't necessarily lead you to the same idea Every half sentence of pause. That's like 17 strikes for that small selection And it's the kind of thing that most people and this isn't even trying to be offensive here Like most people listen to it. It's like, yeah, it makes enough sense. He said backtracking. I know what that is safe states I know what that is You can't even get through one sentence without having 17 Hey, man, it's like two sentences. God, it's represent Okay, so that's an average of uh, what eight and a half hell problems per sentence That's like a sin every three words So now that we've explored how old people in old developers couldn't Correctly do smart gameplay pacing because of those five reasons in old games He's now going to jump to assassin's creed. I guess you guys ready for this Here's the thing. We did all that. I still do not know what his sentence means No, I don't either we we've guessed for all of it I I am at the point where I would have to ask for clarification because I have no idea what he Is like You're like his friend and he gives you the script for this video He's like, can you just give him a run over and you just like send a text back? That's like a hundred thousand words long Can we can can I just call you? It's a couple of things I'd like to talk to you about The edits are as long as my aquaman review You know how like in in kids work, they'll be red writing next to what they've done the red writing as the marking You just send him back to ask you this all red with bits of black in it He just you just send back like red sheets of paper. Yeah, it's like well Like well v is okay Hey The first letter The first letters are metals in chat. I'm just going to read the sentence to him. Hey metal. What do you think of this? The reason is this the developers of old games are ill equipped to standardize smart gameplay pacing into classic games Due to backtracking lopsided story objectives awful pacing from area to area non-scaling enemies and zones and lack of proper save states Doesn't that make complete sense to you? Fucking weird. I'm gonna monitor for his response. I'm sure it's gonna break his brain He's just gonna post a question mark. He's just gonna be like Well, man, I shouldn't have come here if he's somebody could use uh, you can use his own emote the more the No, fuck off Area to area non-scaling enemies and zones lack of proper save states It was hell the proper save states. Like what does that even mean? In some of these games let's fast forward to 2016 2015 with so much data out there Most developers can streamline their games to cut out all this nonsense and produce some more accessible games Oh, what nonsense cut out the nonsense What what he said earlier The word salad that he said earlier Cut out that was the nonsense. Yeah. Oh my god. He's like he says cut out nonsense and everyone's like, oh, yeah cutting out nonsense Is good. Yeah, I agree and then like the five people who listen to it all have a different idea of what nonsense is And they're all like no, this is what he meant. No, this is what he meant Game should be good That games should be good I'm scratching metals asking for us at least seven Glormish coins for the use of his profile picture. I'm just gonna have a slave state of thrust This is this is an actual image of down with thrust submitting his asses to the internet. That's how it looks Please And produce some more accessible games a great example of when this happens is looking at something like I don't know Uncharted 2 for example. Oh the delivery of that line Okay, that would I would be really pathetic here, right? So, you know when you write a script sometimes you I don't know the three of you if you agree with this But like sometimes you'll throw in a line where you're like, this is gonna sound like it's not even scripted Where you say something like um, oh, I don't know you use an example like you just did so I you actually write that in your script with the Assumption that you're gonna deliver it like you would in a conversation with someone else So I if I'm gonna say like, oh, I don't know the fucking car outside. Oh, uh, I don't know You don't need that in the script. You can just nail it because it's a script But you want to sound a little bit more human sometimes, which is yeah It's a part of script writing Look at the delivery he had for his human line He threw in a human line, but he fucks up the pausing games a great example of when this happens Is looking at something like I don't know Uncharted 2 for example. Do you cash that? Yeah, yeah, like I don't know like I don't know Uncharted 2 for example. Yeah You would like like a robot This is how you would do it or how a human would do it something like I don't know Uncharted 2 for example No, I I He has no inflection in I don't know Uncharted 2 for example And you would you'd pause because you say something like then you have your pause because you're thinking and while you're thinking you say I don't know and then there's another pause and then you you pull one out of the air Yeah If you if you like the thing that it's like you're jovial You're like like Uncharted 2 or if it's something you don't like like last Jedi would be like like, I don't know the last Jedi He doesn't have any inflection in his voice. There's no emotion That's what people ask me all the time if I script and I don't it was such a definitive example though like It's still not great like the text-to-speech equivalent of a youtuber kind of Okay, basically, I'm told I am to ifap you Like I don't know far cry 5. You guys you guys gotta see this This will be going in the video Wait the most relevant games that stand up today are the ones Gameplay trends Founder of the intellectual game Oh my god, it's the greatest thing. It's perfect. It's just Founder of the intellectual game It's even better than I thought it would be Oh my god, is this is this by the same guy who made like the bubble Oh my god, I Person I don't remember your name dragon something or other. I love you. This is the This is amazing really good. I can see that. I know that's even got like even got like the weird um The hairless part of his chin down flat. It's It is like big feminine eyes and everything I love it Is okay. I just sent to you. That's the person in chat. I don't I don't want to fuck the name up Bue did the dragon bow did bow Bowen bowen even Bayouin, Bayouin, is it Bayouin? I think it's Bayouin Bayouin But yeah, this little portion right here is the definitive example of how tonald is an actual robot and he has to deliver Human feeling as just he doesn't know how he's just like Hello great examines Oh, I got it right. It is Bayouin. Oh neat Mahler, if you don't use this image in that April Fool's video, I will personally hunt you down This is the greatest thing ever. I love it tonald E-fabloric spans yet again It's so good We're gonna get over that Try to be human again on sense and produce some more accessible games A great example of when this happens is looking at something like It took wait, did he say for example that an example at the end Wait, did he Rewind it rewind it rewind the tech great example of when this happens is looking at something like I don't know uncharted 2 for example a great example Oh my god, can you imagine? Oh my god, you're right Can you imagine if he submitted these to like a publisher and their brain just lit on fire This is why I love to total to work like it's Totals work It's more work listening to it It took the classic third person tomb raider style indiana jones treasure hunting formula But cut out all the junk like all the junk What like what what i'm sorry, but indiana jones is not a game though. Are you saying the junk in the movies? I mean there's probably indiana jones game Like the fate of atlantis Just the like games outside of the lego one That i'll like tomb raider because I don't think there are there's time I'll actually go on the steam client instead of the steam browser indy Oh, it looks like an arc couple jones. Oh, yeah, there is a fate of atlantic To last but not to say the fate of atlantis the infernal machine and the emperor's tomb Well, you know what you got me there tonal. I didn't know those if that's what he's referring to maybe there's nonsense in those games Uh, they don't look very good. Maybe there was junk in those games that was done away with tomato jones What tomato jones two? tomato jones I just like looked on steam for indiana jones like Indiana jones this tomato jones for $1.99. I don't know it was made in 26. Oh my god It's just an indiana jones, but he's the tomato with indiana jones's hat This is awesome. Oh look at the description. It's just a stupid. It's just a red tomato with a stupid hat He tries to look like a cool tomb raider rolling and jumping Baps help him find all the treasures in the mystic castle or watch him die in many painful ways. I'm buying this that sounds awesome I think it's just a mask for someone who wants to watch all the fruits die I'm gonna have to stream that sometime. That looks funny You know how every single time you leave her Every single time we do a new family break the records. I'm pretty sure we've never spent longer than this on a video Wait what you broke up there. Oh I'm pretty sure we've never spent this long on a video like I think we broke in the record again I would dare to say We're at two and a half hours. What time is it two and a half? Oh, we've done two hours and ten minutes at least on Like four minutes of video Because it's awful if there's more there is more content in a single half sentence of a downward thrust video Then there is in any game that bungee's come out with since 2007 it's made Classic third person Tomb Raider style indiana jones treasure hunting formula But cut out all the junk the clunky controls the horrendous camera isn't Unchide one clunky a lot of people do It's clunkier. I wouldn't say it's like unplayable Well, it's who is definitely much better I don't mean like clunky is implied to be like it is playable, but it's not perfect or what's not Yeah, this is do we even ball the saying he's just not qualifying any of this. It's like oh, I'm charted improved. It's done I mean unchartered Here's the thing unchartered basically just took an old style of game And just gave it the standard movement of a third person action game It's not like they revolutionized anything Now they just made a more cinematic version of Tomb Raider and that's all it had to be The junk the clunky controls the horrendous camera and the irritating He says that Irritating pacing what does that mean? He just says it and you're supposed to know Oh, I remember that time in Uncharted 2 where the pacing sucked We say that it was fixed in Uncharted, right? Well, I've never played Uncharted So I don't know what the hell he's talking about. You don't know but irritating pacing Isn't it obvious pacing that is irritating idiots. I will say that Uncharted 1's pacing is I mean, it's not awful, but it does get pretty slow in sub segments A lot of people Don't seem to like Uncharted 4's pacing at least at the beginning But I would argue that for story reasons that was necessary. It was all about tomato milk Tomato rhino spider Butterfly ghost milk They want to know if tomato milk is better than lime rhino Would it be rhino limes tomato soccer ball We're farming rhinos for their limes Camera and the irritating pacing and more importantly, it streamlined player interactivity with the new take on streamlined player Oh, wait, do you say player activity? Player interactivity maybe I don't I don't recall and more importantly It streamlined player interactivity that was interactive. Yeah, it was like interactive player interactivity with what? Player interactivity was streamlined with environmental storytelling. I think With a new take on environmental storytelling to keep the gameplay moving. Oh, so that's separate. That's another thing so he's saying it streamlined player interactivity with The environmental story just words man. There's words loads of words. I don't know what any of this means Okay, as technology moves forward gameplay interface Wait, is he saying that uncharted 2 did that because when you when you try to go in this level The character is shaking around The environment is changing. I mean I mean That's a cheap to believe. That's what it means. I mean uncharted 2 came out in 2009 But when you tell me environmental storytelling, I think of bio shock and that's from two years before Also He made this video in 2016 right this example is Is it relevant or Yeah, wait, is it child too old does it count as old or how old was was uncharted 2 in the 2016 also Oh charted 2 really uncharted 4 was 2016 or was that 20? Wait, so he made a 2016 video explaining that The old game is still relevant what Uncharted 2 was released 2008 right but uncharted 2 it has a sequel Yeah, why didn't he use uncharted 3 instead of uncharted 2 like if he's going for Yeah, because games are irrelevant, right? I mean, yeah, I don't know why I mean he is this This is not exactly a Like uncharted 2 All the things that he's praising it for Uncharted 2 did not revolutionize those concepts those have been those have been around for years at the time yes And also where he's talking about specifically like we never do The building where he's down moller and you're inside of it. That's a story It's a story of the story of this building who Who could roll on the floor? That makes complete and utter sense all of the sense You know if anybody ever does listen to the audio and e-visions of these sort of things if we get them going I wonder if they'll ever be like they don't know the length of the video and they listen to us for this long They're like, how much of the video have we gone through by the way? Go back through this stream and click at a random point and if tone tonal locust talking you win a million dollars Wait, wait, also I just want to point out I want to point out this I don't know the irony or stupidity of using an old game to imply that old games aren't are no longer relevant Can can we can we appreciate that? Hang on. So I'm started to release date 2008 So, yeah, it's just it's 10 years old now, but he made this three years ago. I think yeah, exactly So, what are you? What are you doing? What is old bouncy? What is old man? What is old? Like So anyway and more importantly it streamlined player interactivity with a new take on environmental storytelling to keep the gameplay moving How technology moves forward I wouldn't describe this as environmental storytelling. This is like structural damage Like didn't a red faction gorilla cutscene Was it red faction armageddon one of those games like did amazing Breakdown physics when it first came out. It's it's not it's quite old now. I think Is it red faction gorilla? Does anyone know what I'm talking about? Yes. It's red faction gorilla When did that come out? I'm thinking like 360 days Right. Oh 2009. Okay, interesting It was before uncharted 2 so that's something but then What predates red faction gorilla for like awesome physics in structures? Even though this is all scripted in uncharted, isn't it? It's not even as impressive Yeah, that's it's basically a slightly interactive cutscene Tonals Never and here's the thing too. It makes me wonder a lot of people think that um, especially playstation exclusive games Are these revolutionary amazing cutting edge? Breaking the mold sorts of experiences And they're really not really ever in any way And I wonder if he gets caught up in that mantra Which is why he's using uncharted 2 as a He's trying to use it as an example for something that had already been around for years and years It's just there's an interesting Conversation to be had but Yeah, you know, it is kind of funny how I mean, I like some of the playstation exclusives like god of war uncharted um But a lot of them are so overhyped for being such lousy mediocre games or in some cases awful ones Like until the one Oh god, that's just one of like 50 examples. How about the order? Oh the order 60. Yeah Yeah, remember when everyone was like that game's gonna be the greatest playstation exclusive It's like this is what happens every time Playstation gamers like seem to think that They have like these amazing cutting edge games and it's like no It's almost a blood board. The only thing I'd say about that is just the frame rate. Uh, you mean like poor man's dark souls. Sure Poor man. What do you mean? You haven't played dark souls or blood board, have you? What do you mean? Have I played you can look at my steam profile. I was playing dark I don't regularly look at your steam. I have feel like you have steam I do I'm looking at it right now. Let's let me see how much I On dark souls one 52 hours dark souls three 82 hours. I try to play the good dark souls I have I just said I had 52 hours on the first one. What about the second one the good one? Oh, right I got three minutes three minutes. Well, that's That's not quite enough to appreciate its glory. So Oh, sure. But yeah, the the frame rate for blood born is like I can't play it. It hurts my eyes But even then it's just even if the frame rate was good I'd be careful This is dark souls blood born fans are very very thirsty. Yeah, well, I I can't really play games at 30 fps either Like it it's just well, I mean it dips below 30 fps frequently And in significantly important parts of the game You do visceral attacks on big enemies and the game will fucking kill itself and you're like Anyway, um Yes, tonal. I agree with everything you just said that's my coverage of that Keep the gameplay moving as technology moves forward gameplay and interface iteration become more developed interface iteration And what does he mean by conventional? The boundaries of conventional gaming all the walls kept tumbling down Does it mean because vr you don't have to use a controller anymore? What does he mean by that? Conventional gaming should just be the response to everything downward thrust. What does he mean by that? How do you think uh downward thrust would react to the game and her? What do you mean? What do you like what could even say about that like? Yeah, do you think he'd like enjoy it or think it was like one video he'd be like This game is the greatest game ever. He would have to check what everyone said first about the game And then the next video when people call him out. He'll be like this game is the worst game ever What's what's the meme? He he does uh like this is the worst game ever and then he says like why I was wrong Wait The battlefield video the battlefield 5 video has that in this description right now I was wrong about battlefield 5 Someone in the chat's actually uh seen her and they said fuck you shithead It's such a retarded fucking like description of what games will be like but it's not even entirely unrealistic So it's you me and bouncy ball studios that have seen that movie mauler excellent Knowledge moves forward gameplay and three people have seen it. It's it's good now Iteration become more developed and the boundaries for conventional gaming can break down Better save states shield us from having to look at I think I think he means checkpoints, right? by what When he said better save states Is that what he means? I would like to think so because I would say checkpoints Hey, he he's trying to sound cool. I don't know because save states and checkpoints you'd agree, right? They're two very different things Yes, I think we're gonna get in our uh our square space outro at the end Or was this too early for him to have sponsors fuck that up, too We're actually gonna get five minutes and 53 seconds Yeah, apaban and devudu said he means checkpoints. It's like but save states and checkpoints They're not it's like it's like me going like this game doesn't have graphics and you go Do you mean models and I go yeah a save state to me implies that you are currently in a position in the game where you are allowed to save Yeah, it's like an active thing like the save points and like that space Is this like not in I feel like an alien right now save state like Maybe it's because I play too much emulators save state means like You have a state of the game in which has been saved that you can load up Yeah, so you'd like hit f5 in a lot of games to save loads. Yeah And save state is just a it doesn't fall out Three as well or fallout games tend to get you let you let you have save states Um, you can't save and the check yeah a checkpoint is automatic someone just said in chat that that is an important difference A checkpoint is technically a save state But it's the game that performs it And it's usually custom made as in say for example, you run into a room And it says checkpoint you start gunning down people and then the checkpoint loads and you're outside of the room And it's like oh the checkpoint was deliberately created So I was before the action so that you don't just get killed But if you have a save state in the middle of the room getting fired out and you load it You'll get shredded still Um, and you know, I'm just saying it is an important difference, but who fucking knows what the hell he's even talking about Delement over painfully long sections. I'll go back a bit You don't want to cut tonal data context in the boundaries for conventional gaming can break down Better save states shield us from having to lament over painfully long sections of traditional role playing They save us from having to lament As the way he says it they save us from having to lament lament Do you think that was like his first take like that was the first time he'd ever seen that word and he was like sounding Like lament lament He says it's a robot. He's like, how do you pronounce lament? Are they like this is the correct turn in I cannot experience the emotion of lamentation Let me let me get super pedantic for a second. She actually better say tomatoes shield us from having to lament over painfully Lament he's like it's like an ice cream flavor is how he's saying it. I'd like uh lament to scoop He says it kind of like um like it's the word of the day like lament and he's flashes the word on screen Yes, that has the definition underneath it kind of like that word of the day is lament Pardon, but it's not gonna get a bunch of faggots and that it has the definition of faggots on it Faggot It's been defined therefore non-offensive long sections. I love it all sticks for the faggot Have you heard that um in can break did you guys know that joke in simpsons? It's like one of my favorite fucking parts where um they go to shall beville the group of kids and they like Getting kind of screwed up by the kids over in shall beville And so they decide to unite as a group because nelson's with them and millhouse and ralph and stuff like that and so they're like We should do it together, you know and he he has a twig and he says as a single twig We are vulnerable and breaks it and then he picks up a whole bunch of them And he says but a bunch of as a bunch of sticks. We form a mighty faggot Together we form a mighty faggot And it's like holy shit. What an amazing joke, but it's like oh shit. I guess they wouldn't be able to say that these days Yeah, they got to apologize for a poo for like 20 years ago. So That's have they still is he still in the show now, or did they get rid of him? I don't know. I haven't watched the show since it started getting bad like five years ago Show talented successful minorities. That's offensive We form a mighty faggot Martin said it as well. It's so funny Um So, yeah mighty faggot right. Let's go back to the mighty faggot In the boundaries for conventional gaming can break down Better save states shield us from having to lament over painfully long sections of traditional role playing games Improved interfaces allow for shorter waiting periods during loading screens and transitions from inter improved interfaces Can help with like lower loading screens. I don't know if that's true, is it? I don't know what the interface has to do with the loading screen Why do you make so complicated when you just say like better loading better optimization is pretty much what he's talking about as a whole isn't it if I was going to try and make his point because this point will actually pop up my fallout review Is that there is no option to directly Use an item from the environment You have to pick it up and then go into your inventory Which is the interface and then use it from there instead of just directly using it from where you found it to pick it up How bloated complicated and sane does a user interface have to be to actually affect loading times? Compared to the game itself, you know what I mean like a user interface just literally like a representation of your health bar and ammo Yeah, I mean generally people those are two completely different things like a loading The amount of time it takes to load so we'll listen to it again now But the amount of time it takes to load something is usually tied to what's being loaded in the fucking game Not your user interface, but listen listen to what he says I'm sorry about this role-playing games improved interfaces allow for shorter waiting periods during loading screens and transitions from interface to gameplay And create okay. Sorry. I don't even know what he's trying to say anymore I need to written out again, but I don't want to do that again No, it's this smaller resist. Just accept it return it. I'm gonna give it another shot I'm genuine. I'm really trying to listen this time over painfully long sections of traditional role-playing games Improved interfaces allow for shorter waiting periods during loading screens and transitions from improved interfaces allows The interface doesn't affect anything unless the interface is like the worst thing ever made Yeah, the interface can save time based off of its design, but not in loading screens It's a loading time access environment performing actions You can't bring up the interface in a loading screen You can't do anything on a loading screen except for like certain games like assassin's creed where you can run around and shit What are you talking about? That's what that's kind of what watching a tonal loke video is It's it's it's an assassin's creed loading screen where you can run and run and run and run forever But you never get anywhere I just like the idea that like uh guys We're gonna release assassin's creed as soon as you guys can get the loading screens down So if you want to just take some of the uh bits out of the interface That should help out And then you could take some of the bits out of the interface put them into the loading screen So they'll go faster and then like what about if we just you know unload all the areas you've passed and lock doors behind them? They go no, no, no, it's the interface. That's typically what takes the most struggle Someone said I demand improved interface What you could help are smaller so the load screen is faster Like I don't I don't understand anymore like I'm trying to understand what he's saying But it's just it's like what what the what the fuck? just Wait, so someone said it doesn't matter whether it's bloated or not It's about how many times it updates so if the health bar is updating on every tick you'll use far more memory and so far That's what I mean by bloated So like every single kind of resource detection is on screen And constantly being updated that might affect loading screens, but I didn't even know that it would because that would be It would affect performance in game, right? Because it's reacting to the actual things that are in the game already rather than loading them all up Yeah, I I I also got what bothers me right now. How does he know in particular that the interface is what's Hindering optimization for every fucking game. It's like it's like he makes a blanket. It's not even optimum It's it's not even optimalization in the in a gameplay sense, which is what the interface is tied to He specifically said loading screen. Yeah. Oh my god. Oh, it's so dumb. It's dumber than I imagined it Correct. Well, this is the thing you can you can coast over this statement and just be like you play in a video game It's like you know, I'm in right down It's like think about this shit. You're just like what is this? Rabbit hole that we're running down better safe. Thanks. Explain what he means. What did he mean? Over painfully long sections of traditional role-playing games Improved interfaces allow for shorter waiting periods during loading screens and transitions from interface to gameplay Oh wait, also transition from interface to gameplay. What does he mean by that like menus also wouldn't if you're playing on a pc The the loading doesn't matter if you have a good rig, right? Well an ssd can yeah, they could reduce loading times. Yeah That's I think he's talking console specific. I don't know. I don't know There's a place to be made that interfaces have improved the gameplay experience, but he doesn't give any examples Yes Yeah, and and he's playing this honor that could be on the pc or or are on the console, right? Yeah, so I don't What are you trying to say? For what fucking game So, uh, we need to wait also we need to meet it also also How is this relevant to the point he's making? like Our older games relevant Yeah, yeah, so Oh Oh, no, oh my god These on consoles don't improve loading times. Oh really? So that's cool Interfaces allow for shorter waiting periods during loading screens and transitions from interface to gameplay And creativity has allowed the passage of time to bring new and interesting iterations on our favorite gaming fundamentals Creativity has allowed the passage of time Already i'm like, whoa, where are you going with that statement? Creativity has allowed the passage. Yeah, I had to hear it again Tonewood Locke And transitions from interface to gameplay and creativity has allowed the passage of time To bring new and interesting iterations on our favorite gaming fundamentals. What the hell does that mean? creativity Has allowed The passage of time the passage of time It's like i'm reading out some ancient fucking tablet after I blow the dust away from it But what does the inscription say hazim it says? Creativity has allowed the passage of time Someone's coming quick hide in the a bunch of nazis like we have found the temple of tonad loke We have found the temple. Ah, there is the monument in the obelisk quick. Grab it and bring it to the truck This is just shown face. It's like you look upon it and they melt It's like hazim I must read it Don't literally just turn into the plot of the first assassin's screen game I was I was getting for fucking the lost talk or whatever the ancient inscription Okay, yeah, let's I need that sentence back. I've got the first half of it Yeah, creativity has allowed the passage of time interface to gameplay And creativity has allowed the passage of time to bring new and interesting iterations on our favorite gaming fundamentals We no longer have to wait on our games for the most part or agonize over faulty stone age gameplay So tone we gotta think about your sentence Okay, all right to bring you an interesting iteration. This is allowed for shorter waiting periods No, who did that loading screens and transitions? Oh, you want to listen to it again? Do you? Yeah, okay go from interface to gameplay And creativity has allowed the passage of time To bring new and interesting iterations on our favorite gaming fundamentals We no longer have to wait on our game. I think yeah, that should be enough. Okay. I got it. Okay creativity has Creativity has allowed the passage of time to bring new and interesting iterations on our gaming fundamentals So that is what the ancient inscription of al-habam says Like it's a bad translation of an old text You can't do it in the together, but Creativity has allowed the passage of time to bring new and interesting iterations on our favorite gaming fundamentals What I think he's trying to say Is that as time has gone on we've managed to improve what was fundamentally awesome about games before something like that But the way that he has said this So creativity itself as a concept has allowed the passage of time So the passage of time has committed to this action that comes after this because of creativity The passage of time has brought new and interesting iterations on gaming fundamentals because of creative. I think he's just backwards Okay, here's here's so many. Don't have to pass the time theme delete it. It doesn't need to exist. That's true But you could have said the passage of time has allowed creativity to do new and interesting iterations on familiar gaming fundamentals to be improved Would be my first draft off the top of my damn head That sentence and then I would say what is the point I'm actually trying to say here and then I would rephrase that Because that's awful like I mean maybe he talks about what those fundamentals are in a second things got better over time It's like the simplest. Yeah, I think yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but you have to say like this It's it's like the recorded challenge trying to sound smart If you guys if you trade passage of time and creativity So it says the passage of time has allowed creativity to bring new and interesting I like doesn't that make more sense than what he's got I still I think the passage of time is totally. No, I agree. Yeah, but I'm almost I'm almost Sure that he just fucked up those two words and he well those two concepts and he flipped them Maybe how does creativity allow time to do anything? You know, it makes sense for time to allow creativity to do something because creativity can't do shit without time We're getting philosophical Thank you total You know what I just realized a five minute downward thrust video has almost as much content as a five minute Jared You know, that's true Every sentence Jared said he's just like uh something new to break down Do you think tonal does Jared's son is allowed to Passage of time to bring new and interesting iterations on our favorite gaming fundamentals We no longer have to wait on our games for the most part or agonize over faulty stone age We don't have to wait on our games. Both of those things are not true. Okay. One people totally have to wait for releases I'm waiting for the next god of war. I will continue to loading screens, but those That still exists. Well, this is what they went now. We're talking about optimization, which still exists How is full out 76 is loading times? Oh fucking abysmal I had a loading screen that was over two minutes once and I've got that shit on an ssd And remember when Duke nukem Uh forever came out the loading times on that were actually horrific Um, and then you I know that's not new but that it would have been new when it came out Is my point compared to all the stuff he's been referencing like punch out um But yeah bad mechanics clunky mechanics. Those are alive and well like Alive and well look at ds2 Look at full out 76. We're doing fine People have been waiting five years for a new alien isolation sequel and well, we're getting one Yeah on phones. It's great. You have phones. Don't you? Yeah, don't you have phones? Also, he doesn't really tell us what the gaming fundamentals are. He just goes on to another point He just says gaming fundamentals Next died next sentence. Fuck it Someone said algerid the mad prophetic prophetic Most part or agonize over faulty stone age gameplay systems and technology that holds us back from enjoying the game that Technology that holds us. It's not even technology most of the time. It's just someone's misuse of technology even back then You'd have because this is the thing. Um They were like castlevania on the nest, right? There was a jump arc as a new jump and you're tied to a specific arc You can't move mid-air but they were games that were out at that point that allowed you to do that So you can argue it's not the limitations of technology. It's the fact that those developers didn't code that in It's a misuse of technology Like the holocaust That's a relevant comparison. Yeah, the holocaust was a tragedy No, it wasn't people died Didn't boogie say that was a point hundreds died Hundreds died by the second Also, I have to point out if a game has fun has good fundamentals Even if it's old or new people will still play it Well, I think he's implying that technology has made it so that we don't face these same problems We got from a lot of these old games. Is that what he's trying to say? Yeah Yeah, but you'll still play those old games regardless if the fundamentals are good, right? Yeah, but he doesn't even tell us what the fundamentals are so we're guessing again He gave us that list remember he said Lopsided story objectives. Don't you know what that means rags? You stupid I could speculate non-scaling enemies and zones even though they don't scale in dark souls and that's a very popular new game And this yeah, that's its own that's I mean enemy scaling right doing that right and wrong that concept right and wrong Is its own long video. I can't believe that's like a constant struggle I can't believe dark souls 3 is almost three years old now. Yeah, I know right Where does the time go and that's why they called it dark souls 3 because it's almost three years old Oh, they were thinking ahead. Are you right? They didn't have a point. You're a tonal writer I'm a tonal writer. I am I am tonal too Harder than ever to go back and said uh, the holocaust Uh, the holocaust hundreds of loading streams died for reveal low baggings I'm enjoying the game. That is the reason why it's harder for us to go back harder than ever To go back and pop in our old favorite games Like not even what are you? What? I mean, maybe if you don't have a console anymore tonald. What are you doing? I so many old games. I still play Wow, what do you mean? I mean, I can just boot up. Is all the point this video was hey, some old games have clunky mechanics Okay, see you next time Like thanks, dude It would have been quicker and made more sense because I would now more than ever if anything as I play more and more games I appreciate and play older games. That's the interesting part So he's probably implying that as we naturally move forward in time Technology gets better and thus reveals older games to be even more clunky as we go But the funny thing is so many bad games come out now that we often pine for the good times We're like, oh, I remember when this selection of get isn't it was like 19 I can't remember what year it was, but there's like a year that several classics all came out at once or some shit And the people often go like, oh man, that was a good year for games and then they look today and they're like Could be worse, I think he's just flat out wrong here I want him to qualify some of the things he said Wait, donald first is wrong A hot take from rags himself. Well, that's the thing. It's almost like Is he wrong or does he actually mean what I think he means? He might be right, but he just means something completely different than what I'm gathering from his word selection To for dower thrust to explain his video It would make a way longer video than the original video that the original video would just be pointless It's like it would be irrelevant But this is what I think of when people like you should be concise I'm like, do you mean I should be really vague and make quick statements like Also, awakens isn't very good because it's not very well structured and the characters aren't very consistent Thank you next time. So here's the thing if downward thrust actually made long form videos, we might not Cut out what you do that. Yeah, well cuts out. I think Did you say that we wouldn't be able to finish it if he made long form videos? No, no, if he made long form videos, we might not have to cover it. Oh, yeah, no true The year was 1920 what when good games came out 1920 that makes sense 1920 Especially those that harbor internally more of these issues that harbor internally more issues Do you realize he's talking about video games that he said harbor internally? Why don't you just say harbor issues? Harbor internally more issues as opposed to a game harboring something externally Someone said we might know wolf 2019 We might know We might know it's that was when I cut out remakes and remasters exist. No Table remakes and remasters exist for money mainly and I mean, there's a shit ton of reasons why you might remake or remaster Goddamn it tonal those that harbor internally more of these issues It's the reason HD remakes and remasters exist If not for corporate wanting to grab more money out of your piggy bank But because of the realization that games need updates to remain relevant and I'll I mean remastering updates graphics Yeah, it usually I mean, I could still play resident evil 4 on the game cube it just I don't know tone. What happened you man? I used to come to you for all my gaming news I used to trust you tonal I don't remember if I can trust you or not because I don't know what you're saying Like an old senile man an old senile man now who's being redundant I remember when I thought I was the only one that didn't like And then I met you mauler after you insulted me and you Oh wait, did you wait? I thought we found him separately, didn't we? Yeah, I think you brought him up. What make you know how much you hate and you said how much you hated him And I was like oh god me too. I hate him too It was like wow, I'm not alone I don't hate I mean, I genuinely I'd be upset if he stopped making videos I would because I forgot about him. I mean I'd be upset. I'd be upset if he Well, I'd be upset when he delete if he deleted his video because this is a treasure trove Everyone to make sure that his videos last forever Cop save all of his videos and then individually email them to tone low Dude, what about what about if you Because because if what if you paid him you were like, oh tonal I want to give you $500 to review my script for a video He's like, okay, and you basically just repurpose one of his old video scripts But you cover it up a little bit so it doesn't look quite like it and see if he's like, yeah, this doesn't make sense This doesn't make sense Funny how you should mention that tonal This penmanship is yours For total If not corporate wanting to grab more money at your big At least he did actually acknowledge the remasters and remakes will be money Motivated a lot of the time, you know, he did have a lot of remasters and remakes will change game mechanics Well, that's a discussion on what makes a remaster versus what makes a remake Um, because like reinterpretation Yeah, they're all It's complicated We I think I had that discussion with alex before it's like it's like a never-ending conversation because a remaster people typically look at it as Graphics only but then they'll have like ui changes Maybe they altered a mechanic a little bit and it's like is it still a remaster now? Is it can't ever be made? Some some ui elements are just graphics, but they affect the amount of information you have as a player So they can't affect what you do in the game So Someone said I just got here. Did you guys spend three hours on a six minute video? Correct? You are correct, sir No, no, he's not he's not correct because it's not six minutes. It's five minutes. We I think we started After 29 minutes, we did. Yeah, we did spend 30 minutes on names, but the other two and a half hours We did spend we still got 23 seconds left. Can we beat this video in 15 minutes? That's the question If we beat this video in 15 minutes in that statement is not true remasters exist If not for corporate wanting to grab more money out of your piggy bank But because of the realization that games need updates to remain relevant The way he says piggy bank is weird games need updates to remain relevant. That's not even necessarily true No, no, not really Updated so the games don't have bugs, right? It's more more like that I mean if it's like already patched to completion and I don't think it needs more updates Like super smash brothers mealy is like a game that Does that need an update? No most people prefer to play it over the new smash brothers. I don't know about the new one, but Like I think a better would be I think a better term or a better thing would have been dlc, right? Not not updates Maybe that's what he would argue is encompassed in updates. Maybe he's like, yeah dlc counts Yeah, of course tonal, of course Yes, tonal this thing that makes more sense is totally what you bet Game can't rely on charm and fondness alone. It has to stand on its own. Yes, it totally can It absolutely can fake gamer detected Fake games need updates a game cannot rely on fun alone The leader game. I wish I would yeah, I wish I was intellectual enough to just understand To remain relevant an old game can't rely on charm and fondness alone It has to stand on its own two feet at the time you hit the start button And most old games do restrict us from enjoying them due to some of these reasons They restrict us from enjoying them. What does that mean? Um, what? Like our video subscribe it's More than one person to make If I'm gonna fuck up it's gonna be on my own with my own two hands for pause or whatever Someone said downward thrust is a fake gamer girl confirmed I mean Like your opinion though When I come back to a game years later, I don't want it to feel old Well, sorry downward Man, oh no. Listen when I fucked your mother. I didn't want her to feel old What? No, no, no, no Not tonal's mother Who are you talking about? Who are you talking about then? Um, I was talking about Were you just about to say everybody? Yeah, every every mother on the planet every single person's mother on the planet I don't want old games to feel old Yeah, I don't even understand the gorilla there When I come back to a game years later, I don't want it to feel old. Okay. Well, I'm sorry. You should stop being a gamer then That's how we end the video at many games do Many old games feel old It's like I'm sorry, baby. It's an undeniable truth You can't you can't deny him that fail. You are wrong. You can't be serious. You are wrong Is gaming about to crash? Time explains everything or does it did you guys get into anything really old Much later than it came out What I give you an example. I was told I got into your mom way later than you came out. That's Yes, oh boy. Oh, that is I give that a tip. It gives that a thumbs up Yeah, boy so like I was told to play Banjo-Kazooie for ages and then I played it for the first time about six years ago I want to say so that's Yeah, let's just say 2013 because I can't remember the actual time when the game When did the game release was in 97? What game? Banjo-Kazooie, something like that Released 1998 so that's you know 15 years late and then so it's like I guess he said Some games feel but what I'm trying to get out here is just like um, it didn't feel old quote unquote But then I realized like well, this is all subjective. So what is even his point? What is it to feel old exactly? Our old people relevant discuss Well, I think your mom is relevant so She is yeah, I visit her fairly often and we talk and we maintain a healthy relationship You discuss things with the elderly Uh, she's not that old Well define elderly define Define your mom Okay, so that was the first downward thrust video when the intention was a potential like four videos today. Um We I don't know it's gonna be a 24 hour stream it. I'm guessing we should do At least one more. Do you want to do you want to go with the the one wolf the the fabled one? Do you want to I mean, I'm up for it. Are you? Yeah, sure. I'll probably give it a go take a piss real quick, but from who? Yeah, we're doing that Yeah, why can't you just make your own why you gotta take it from somebody else? It's kind of fucking communist Look games in the past belongs to everyone Just saying this this this video. What's what's wolf gets back? We'll we'll give it a proper intro because this video's got some history Yeah, okay. I'll be back in just a second. All right, bilge so, um, as I've been said um Uh Let me scroll up find it That's entirely on you downward thrust. I can still enjoy older titles just fine I agree many older channels are or any many older games are great And as I said before they have a novelty To their age that I think is very appealing like quake Is a very appealing game because you understand the context of when it was made And you can enjoy that and savor it. It's like a trip through time With your telescope I've often more underestimate so much they can spew for hours at a time I mean, this is the thing you never know. I don't want to drag these guys into the pits of hell, you know I'd like to that for them to be voluntary on that. We are gonna bust this joint Uh, you know, it's nice to have a break silence I was just gonna say like there's a lot of people out there who kind of want downward thrust to be I don't know for lack of a better word exposed and like, you know, let's let everyone know How bad downward thrust is and how he's taking advantage of This is the thing. I'm like watch one of his videos That's it. You don't need to do anything. Yeah, like actually listen. Don't don't hear him Listen, this is actually unprecedented. Look at the amount of notes I have for one five minute video like this is I usually get this amount from like seven videos We got We got streamlining People get older as time goes by We can get this when we look into a telescope back into time. Is that what he actually said? That can't be the structure was it? Yes Like looking through a telescope back in time as a species of video game A great example of this is Uncharted 2 for example He clearly didn't redraft like well, I'm assuming he didn't I don't know Do I don't know that one guy redrafted seven times and it took him 12 years or whatever and it was awful It was 11 months is what he said something It was like basically a year and seven It was the boyhood of video essays And I'm like, oh Like you could have done better She's just gone with your first draft and just roll the die Why is he called down with thrust that is a good question Because he makes my sanity take a downward thrust Beautiful So nice to have peace, you know No down with thrust quiet I'm gonna get some chips. I'm gonna read some super chats um Super happy to finally be catching this live You guys are great and I listen to efab all the time. Give the great work. You guys are fantastic Good work. Uh, thank you demonic fork Love you guys also if you ever choose to do another Jared video for fun I would recommend his desk law vid the holy law should be seen by all I mean I I wouldn't disagree with that. I really shouldn't so close to dinner, but I just gotta help myself That's your opinion anime recommendation of the week mob psycho 100 made by the guy behind one punch man Oh and Gundam. I am blooded orphans again Oh, I liked I liked the first season more than the second one That's why'd you have to shoot on his parade? Oh, yeah, I'm sorry for being subjective my bad. Oh fucking dare you Yes, I'm fair enough. We get a lot of recommendations. I'm just sort of We start like a A collection of them. My friend Ronief have fan fiction to commemorate this glorious podcast What is this? What is what? I mean, I'll I'll post it so that you guys could look at that while I read the other ones, but what what what what is That's this interest, but anyway guys, thanks for last no problem. What do you guys think of the film essay channel renegade cut? I think someone else asked about that. I'm not 100% sure who it is. I'd have to yeah, that that name doesn't ring a bell Thank you guys so much. Yeah, I think If you have fanfic. Oh, I agree Um Thank you guys so much for featuring my videos have five dollars looking forward to the colonial marines livestream that is coming soon and uh Yeah, man, you make some hilarious videos e-man gameplay. So thank you Quick someone grab rags and chip him. He keeps running away from home not making videos. I've used this as one common It's gonna be big Time is subjective bilbo raggins. They're common. Hi. Hello Hi, this column wheels rag and prince fuzzy butt. Oh, yeah, that's the Eric taxon reference. Nice. I and maiden songs have better wheel buildings. Oh, I'm not the fuzzy, but all right. Well, fine We'll remember that way. I mean, I don't know if Eric would refer to you as that you might do. I don't know I my rear end is like It's like the smoothest suede Good to know. I agree Yeah I mean y'all know Sent you a jarred golem image mola Oh my god I mean, no, it's probably Where is it? Yeah, I can't have to move discord for a second. Well, you know Just in the downtime I have to say I find it insulting frankly that there are 1,865 people watching right now, but only 546 likes guys Give this a thumbs up for the best podcast Ever in history of youtube. Yeah, the more you thumb like even weekend warriors doing a thumbs up perpetually That's true. Yeah What's my next my next video I'm gonna try to get it done this weekend Oh, uh, I've seen this guy in the chat. I I know I um commented something you must not have seen it Uh p0801 underscore for some reason Oh my god, um Thank you for getting me to read the dark tower. I'm currently reading dunes rings up next. Oh, there's a good ones Any more book recommendations? Yes Uh wings of war series by brice o'connor. I don't know the name of the series. I don't know if there is one Uh, I only read the first book But the bear in the nightingale by kathryn ardent The silence by d. Nolan clark the first law by joe abacrombie and the expanse by just james s a quarry Those are the ones. Um, I would also recommend interstellar marines No No, but in all seriousness, um, one of my favorite authors, um, he's a doctor actually He wrote a book a while back called One fish two fish red fish blue fish And I really I like the linguistic stylings. They're narrative tripling I like to prose generally narrative tripling the structure of the themes in general I believe was written by dr. Seuss was his name, but I would highly recommend that novel It's very descriptive. It builds a lot of world building is done into it and it's very educational This is an adornation tyler presson asks your thoughts on blizzard shooting themselves in the foot with diablo immortal being a mobile game Don't you have phones? Let them burn. They're dumb. Let blizzard burn Yeah Um Do you guys plan on inviting other guests like razor fist or aiden paladin? Oh, yeah, both of them are absolutely welcome Isn't that right wolf? That's the aiden Oh, yeah, I don't know who aiden is but oh, yeah, you know the other one. It's the other one someone, you know Oh, yeah, I know of him That'd be so fucking funny if we brought him on just ignored the fact Just like la la la everyone's doing great Um, but I don't know who aiden paladin is as for razor fist. I mean if he was interested There may be a few things to possibly iron, but yes, I would probably be okay with it I'm okay with pretty much anybody coming on even quintan Even I like I said at the beginning if quinn said that he'd only come on as a fun time thing And he refuses to acknowledge anything in terms of drama I would just have fun with it and I'd be like sure man Whatever you say and the last question is wolf. What author do you find to be overrated? Ooh, uh, that one's God, what's it taking rolling? Oh, uh, well, yes, but I was thinking, um Who's the guy who wrote the fucking narnia books? C.S. Lewis Yeah, yeah him him No, C.S. Lewis one of the most overrated authors ever. I mean, I mean, I don't really like any of his books Granted, I've only read the narnia books. I don't know if he's written anymore But he gets way more credit than he deserves honestly the best one is uh, Tolkien Because when you really look into the narnia books, they don't make much sense But I think god is an overrated author The other thing is that thing is a trainwreck. That is true, but I was soft draft. Well, I was talking about Authors that actually exist. Um, oh, that's right. That's what Ben said and think people always ask me when I'm gonna be back on EFAP at mola Is that you saying you want to come back on that? Is that what that is? We've already reached our Philippine. No, you're no damn it. No, we've already reached our pacific islander limit for the day Yeah, apa and he came on he already had he's had one and a half episodes. He came on to guest to talk about the um The the abridge thing sort of online and then all the comments were like apa ben is wrong about the abridge thing Oh, no He's gonna have to address those controversial claims when he next uh comes on I suppose um Yeah The the lone toke Donated and said is pot is probably what downward thrust did before making this video. I don't I I must be missing the joke came all over you see the toke I don't understand the toke. Oh the lone toke is what he would have done. I get it now I've seen the s tartis fan movie. Maybe good free fap someday. What's that drawing of a puff from a cigarette Typically one containing What's what's what's what's a stardust? What is a stardust? Oh the space marines Oh, is it? Yeah, stardust the about five days ago part three came out Wait, I will link you part one and then you can watch part two and three. They're like a minute and a half each Wait, I've event said wait. How am I wrong? I don't know what you're referring to Ah Nobody here said that he was wrong, right? We all said he was Some people in the chat said you were wrong. So oh shit about the fucking Yeah, no, I you'd have to look at the comments on the episode I I cannot explain it to you because I fucking if you remember I was pretty much silent in that section because I have no no clue what was Being talked about confused get psa sitch on that's there's no reason why that wouldn't happen I mean Absolutely pissing stitches definitely invited and then any of you lesser races. Oh wait, that's I'm breeding that out of order I was actually okay with reading it One k is a lesser race than a five k because it's a lot shorter the second japanese 10 000 year empire. That's a strange Okay, well anyway, uh So before e-fap even was a thing we actually did the I jumped on Just on a wolf's podcast a couple times and I think This was when we was me you and rags, right wolf That was the oh, yeah And so we covered this Yeah, we're doing drags dropped out the fucking worst Like he he dropped out before the and we'll not say anything, right? We're not gonna say anything. It's just that This is a very good video. Okay, very very good And it's it's it's tom would look downward Nine minutes dear god 9 11. It's even worse nine. Oh my god And we're gonna so as we just we went over he just explained whether or not old games are relevant and now he's got modern video games They aren't better or worse. They're different But are they relevant? Oh Also, that's not me asking to be on e-fap. My view is asking every constrictor. I was just kidding You're welcome to cut back on we'll figure it out Um, but it's that's strange that he would make when was this video relating to the other one? Oh, I think this is newer, right? This is like This is almost 2016. This one is the other one kind of shits on old video games. This is 2018, man This is two years later. He's moved on. Oh, okay. Yeah, he's made better arguments Yeah, uh better analogies too. This is this is top tier tone bloke like this is he knows what's up Games of the past are not games of today No, shit It's such a just it's such a uh an innocent quote No, no way No way your microphone is doing the the the thing again Okay, wait Thank you tone Okay, now let's actually we could we've gotten past the initial shock. So let's uh games is the one said tony and wiso Are not games of today. In fact gaming as a young kid 15 years ago was a lot different than it is gaming as a kid today He just gave me just talking about game. No Let's listen to that again kid 15 years ago was a lot different than it is gaming as a kid today This is the intellectual gaming movement guys. Yeah, this is the leader's video white letters on a black background That's how you know, it's important Oh, Jesus I'm gonna down a bit. Oh, I forgot when he started putting in all these unnecessary intro fests quest, dude Oh How does the fester's quest? I remember playing a lot of fester's quest as a kid fester's quest was a horrifyingly hard game to beat horrifyingly Hard game to beat well it is adams family. It's pretty spooky It's like I think there was a suitable pose to have there, but he took like way too long on it I love the way he constructs videos. I remember playing a lot of fester's quest as a kid Fester's quest was a horrifyingly hard game to beat this game did not fuck around You could even call it one of the worst NES games to ever hit the tunnel doesn't sway much, does he Is that video? Is this the one where he says fuck and then later? Is that what we covered or is that We did cover that on my channel was the one where he like bleeped out Fuck and then like later on in the video like a minute late without bleeping it Love totally hard game to beat this game did not fuck around You could even call it one of the worst NES games to ever hit the market Did he just play the same clips over and over? I I rewound it. Well, I guess he might have who knows Bad controls a scary low frame rate insane difficulty frustrating map layouts and a where the hell do I go design? Checked all the boxes. It's easily one of the most blood boiling games ever to be released yet I still find it very charming for my chump kid friend who never held an NES controller Arming it was quite literally though. Don't walk in the hole uncle festus Hey, sorry, what was the relevance of this clip? What do you say? In games ever to be released yet? I still find it very charming for my chump kid friends who never held an NES controller It was quite literally though impossible This is quite literally impossible quite literally impossible. Was that festus quest? Literally impossible. I don't know. It doesn't even look like the same. It looks like a different game impossible And I'm sorry. How is like I'm not trying to like brag you but that doesn't look maybe if you let him finish Mother he'll explain why he didn't finish. What does this clip to do with anything? That he's making Someone in the chat said what the fuck this game isn't even relevant is oh people saying blaster master. Is that what the game is? Blast So festus quest is quite literally impossible Then he shows a different game and something that's not even doesn't look impossible as well as the game's called You're a very strange man, total What do you think? How do you think he came to choose this clip? Do you think he was like I need gameplay footage of something looks really hard in quest Quest is fest best quest And he was like I can't find anything. So i'm gonna have to go with fest I'm gonna have to go with some other game doing something hard Then he was like fuck it. What what game should I choose and you just like how did he how did he get? How did he get to blaster master exactly? Well, I'm how you'll let us know. I'm sure he will let us know exactly why he chose that Never mind fester's quest was developed by sun soft who had developed a few titles for the Most notably blaster master see See it's kind of it's another game That's which was an extremely difficult game just in its own right Fester's quest had a very short development in 1990 and a rushed and all be all deadline as sun soft was forced Isn't it this is totally an epic event isn't it be all end all rather than all Be all end all be all do you guys say end all be all or be all end all end all be all Hey, like four times it doesn't even sound like it's a real phrase. Yeah, that happens a lot with Stop saying it. Stop sounding real You see tone look so many times. It's like wow. This doesn't sound like a name probably isn't That's why we're called totaled. It makes more sense Fester's quest had a very short development in 1990 and a rushed end all be all deadline As sun soft was forced to put out the game by the end of the year Probably to capitalize on the very busy bee winter Bee winter the busy bee winter Does that mean winter but with bees You know, there are some people who think that bees shouldn't even be able to fly I think we should set a policy that is there a bee and snowflake emoji I want to see winter bees if we got that Gotta be that sounds like all be all deadline as sun soft was forced to put out the game by the end of the year Probably to capitalize on the very busy bee winter Christmas season Oh, these are just the fucking concept of like you put something out at the end of the year So we can get bought up for Christmas There are bees Winter bees everyone That always happens in the viewing markets come years end You've seen the story actually hold up. Hold up. Hold up end all be all That doesn't make sense. How he's using it Do you want to go back to when he uses it? It's end all be all is like Right, it's the best. It's the the perfect thing Like this is the end all be all You know basketball player. Yeah, just like world war one until world Oh When you cut out I said it was just like world war one before world war two happened The word end all wars until the next war like 20 years later Fester's quest had a very short development in 1990 and a rushed end all be all deadline as sun soft was a rushed end all be all deadline He doesn't know what these idioms mean. I was about to say like what what do you think that he's trying to say without I a rushed end all be all dead The rushed most desired maybe Maybe the ultimate deadline the deadline. Yeah, I would you have wouldn't Deadline's a binary though. Like they're even there or not like how do they how do you have a more? You know more deadly more deadly deadline. I guess the closer it is to you. I don't I don't know Yeah Okay, all right, what I've atone old It's forced to put out the game by the end of the year Probably to capitalize on the very busy bee winter christmas season and the shopping Happens in the video game markets come years and who says that you've seen this Markets come years end. You've seen the story so many times beforehand X development studio No, no, no, they have they have what they complete the game This is what he's trying to tell us he's like ripping into him even though he's just so much smaller than you No, no, no, no. He is a stupid His brain is like a dump. He's good. Love you idiot What day is to complete the game x development studio has y days to complete z game and I got it. What's made is sorry so but unlike many modern games, you know, this is we've already this is way better than the previous video It's much more coherent. Um It was just not a high bar. I guess he really did come some way after those two years So well, I mean, this is the thing the one we just covered is probably the most incoherent video I've ever seen from him. I'm not even kidding Fester's quest didn't care about if you thought the game was fair or easy enough Or tried to hold your hand through its most difficult hours There was no tutorial or That's that's because it's an old game That's how they rolled before right saying old games are clunky. Is that what he's saying? Yeah, is he saying that old games are a lot of old games are just really poorly designed Yeah, like fastest quest I'd like questers fast Quest as fast as my favorite of all of the quests. It's an artie man. Like Atari et the best game ever made Difficulty ramping or content blockading for the sake of making it easy for you. No concessions were made What am I looking at? Why did the vampire demon steal the bride from the caveman? No, no, this is ghostly goblins. Yeah, I think what's happening I'm assuming ghost goblins is going to be relevant This is a good thing he put his armor back on Many many games during this time followed the same mentality of them Just doing whatever they wanted and not really giving you too much in the way of instruction A few that cut the minds just on a nintendo What was the point of playing that clip? That's that's all the nest games, right? They don't have tutorials in the game. Not that I remember typically, but I mean they have the manuals Yeah, this is the time where the manuals were the things you read in the nintendo Mahler, apparently you skipped many super chats between giving you Oh, no, I haven't um The way it works is I'll read some that I had sometimes because they come in through um What's it called? I guess stream labs donations versus super chats So it may sound like they're ahead of time But I just read them off as a section and then I'll go back to super chats All right, then the next one is James Moore um at 8 40 p.m. Which was How long ago was 8 40 p.m. Link fucking? Yes, so don't worry. I I've got them ready. I haven't skipped them Too much in the way of instruction A few that come to mind just on a nintendo would be zelda 2 Ghosts and ghouls and of course ninja turtles, which was goddamn the hardest game I had ever played I hate that swimming section with the electricity and then zap in my ninja turtles so annoying I'm pretty certain that he just Fly like he swims right into the electric field like not even trying to stop at some point I feel like that Sounds was actually not turtles, which was goddamn the hardest game I had ever played I hate that swimming section with the electricity and then zap in my ninja turtles And then zappin my digit turtles so annoyed Delivery all that seriously Smaller is there a new tone loke quote on your twitter? Oh, I'll check in a sec zappin my bail when Itals I'm putting this in Such a weird statement that everything's a weird statement Why do you like nappa ma doesn't zap in ma? Is it like cool? weird Oh, it's uh, it's like another version. Oh shit, man. I've got oh, there's a couple things on twitter I mean I collect all these now. It's gonna be like an awkward silence So Just keep it up on another tab and we'll come back to them. Okay, mom Fast forward to the wait. Yeah, I just want to see that. Did he actually deliberately hurt himself? Ninja turtles. Yeah, he does Yeah, it looks Yeah, generally you don't Yeah, it is annoying. I guess it would really annoy me if there was electricity. I just ran right into it and it hurt me Gosh, it's a kind of very sensitive and we're to get to you know it The the worst thing is he could have edited it to the part where he just got electrocuted, right? Why why did you have why did he edit? bunch of turtles with lightning bolts in the chat And the turtles look so happy too They're ready for it It's exciting zapping my turtle They're getting shell shocked Oh What As one does No, just as an editing thing just just cut to the part where you get shocked You didn't have to show us the part where you you fake. Yeah, you gotta just cut right to this Yeah, it's just so dumb. It looks like he's brain dead the turtle and just flows into it. It's just like Speaking of brain dead someone in the chat said downward thrust sounds like a little kid with ass burgers imitating Elvis Presley um Does that sound like that to you guys? That's a pretty cool. I can't even imagine what that would sound like um Sometimes I guess I think I think downward did it. Okay the way that he did it. What do you guys reckon? Um, oh, yeah, I'm setting up. So there's just three images that are probably worth growing up. See the funny uh You know, you can't get through an e-fab without memes. It's impossible We should we blame for this Our fans. I blame downward too hard Yeah, I guess so this one's like a different quote By the way, baowen. I'm finding a way to use this uh, this downward thrust image Use up the fact Aquaman somehow Oh, I can't see it. I'm trying to save this stupid picture Or not stupid picture. I love it Games of the past are not games of today founder of the oh wait is the same one wait. Yeah, it's the same one But it's a different quote. Well, it's the last one. Oh, right I Creativity has allowed the passage of time to bring new and interesting iterations on our favorite gaming fundamentals total Like this I love sketch Oh, there's no sketch Oh, it's a different person. I don't even know what's happening here. We got Is that jaren? Jesus jaren Uh, is that What is that? Is that rags running away from skull on wheels? I guess still running away. What's on my face? Oh on my face is my you icon. Oh, yeah, I got it strapped to my face Uh, we got a rhino Growing up milk. It looks like it's throwing it up. Maybe that's how you actually milk a rhino Oh, and then objectivity is pointing right at it and then there's kylo ben On the hill Our lord sweet lord jaren All right, and I love back back to the wondrous the book of genesis is about how he created the world. Yeah, that's true. That's true That's for today though and designing a game like this and emitting key features to help players out would threaten any new Game with a quick trip to the graveyard Well I guess you die. Do you say omitting? No, the game doesn't survive. It goes to the graveyard people wouldn't buy it It goes to the graveyard. It dies. What though? What was he referring to? Um, that's for today though and designing a game like turtles and emitting key features He said designing a game like this and omitting. I'm assuming he said omitting omitting key details Is he talking about like tutorials? like I'm sure you'll let us know what these details are Someone in the chat said, uh, did did efap invent live fan art? I doubt it We call me the first people to do that Live me bery. Well, we do have like some of the fastest Uh artists in our audience though. That is true Come on. How long do you that is crazy that that downward thrust drawing like that's too detailed Well, it's like he like knew we were gonna ask him that like two days in advance Founder of the intellectual gaming community New game with a quick trip to the graveyard Obvious exceptions do apply but these games do represent the tiniest minority today Why is that a just a picture instead of gameplay? Don't know it was easier for him to get the picture than download the youtube video But um To download the youtube video So he's saying like doxels isn't exactly Handholdy with the game and so that's an exception to what he's talking about I'm just like, man There's a shit ton of other games that do not like engage in handholding or specific details in Explaining how to do a thing But he's just like no there's an exception The other game I played a lot while growing up You have to account for that you can't just say like oh, it's an exception It's like what do you mean? Why why isn't an exception if your rule is that if you don't have these details that explain everything to the player Then they'll suffer. It's like why doesn't doxel suffer then explain I don't know Weird amount of advertising. That's what gets it through that presents the tiniest minority today The other game I played a lot while growing up was Final Fantasy This is so unnecessary This this shit like because it started his older videos like there was a point where you decided I do you think it's just filler I don't I think it's he just saw it somewhere and he just Did it Like what are you? Why what is the because I mean someone in charge of said best themes like why wouldn't you just start playing the theme of this game behind what you're talking about If it's to do without wouldn't that be cooler than just going that'd be a little too difficult for him That's fair enough. You know what would be you know What's the thing is if you're going to talk about all these subjects just have one game up That's related to what you're talking about and just have it be the whole video Have it be the whole playthrough. I mean, I'm cool with putting up examples that are applicable But ones that aren't applicable. I don't know what the fucking point is Yeah, better to just get 10 minutes of straight footage that goes through and plays Like saying final fantasy does not now mean you need to play the intro I assume this is like the menu. Of course it does. How else will you know what final fantasy is? First it was the original on the nintendo and then I moved on to final fantasy 6 on the sns Or I guess it would be three for the american you're an american arguably Well arguably he said arguably It's quite arguably It makes me think of a pirate saying arguably Arguably we see the shore and the heart Yes, arguably it could be My name is Tony Luke. I'll be the founder of the intellectual gaming society Our To diversify your investment portfolio Why he was wrong about gta 5 Was the captain did the captain die or was he murdered? Captain wasn't just killed he was murdered Murdered video games aren't better It's got a third sticking out of his chest Or he was murdered I've lost me way lately. I'm going to change and then I'll change it all Oh, the uh, the artist just said pirate told locum on it Yeah, I was gonna say you can take the existing one throw a parrot a hat No, I want to I want to see if he like makes something like brand new We're gonna be sailing high seas. Hopefully there won't be awful pacing from area to area and the enemies scale properly Make sure you include his very feminine eyes. You can't you can't exclude that I feel as if our mission has lopsided story objectives It makes sense if you think about it. Okay, arguably the pacing is not the standard Oh Someone said intellectual pirate First it was the original on the nintendo and then I moved on to final fantasy 6 on the sns Or I guess it would be 3 for the american crowd It's quite arguably the best final fantasy game to ever be released to many people I would find it hard to disagree with this statement But I would have to give that title as well favorite games pretty much ever The original final fantasy had a permanent character decision at the start of the game Defined character occupations in a class. You don't just choose not to be a pirate anymore Can you choose the pirate occupation in this game? That's that seems if they don't it's more of a lifestyle really It's not very diverse if you can't be a pirate. I'm just putting that out there Decision at the start of the game defined character occupations in a class update system later on in the game It was a massive explorative game in the style of japan's most influential j rpgs And would quickly become one of the most recognizable games ever to be released And most but I still felt the need to let you know with the title sequence I love it This video right now. So the reason he's talking about all this is probably because he's going to imply that this game is Not even that bad now Maybe yeah, because the whole modern video games aren't better. And I'm just like this is like a direct Counter video to the one we just watched Everything is held back in old games. Yeah, he kind of he kind of shat on old games in the last video I was I was wrong about old games being not relevant Yeah, the real question is did old games die or were they made it or were they murdered? Wolf just changed his hike That's that's the cabin boy How about you go below deck and walk on my plank walk on me plank boy I have a picnic Excuse me. I'm trying to listen to the intellectual gaming community found a total joke One of the most recognizable games ever to be released and most people would say a pretty challenge Oh, I like that section where he got into the sailing ship. Yes Go see creatures here. We're getting close to the whole pirate section of the game One of the most recognizable games ever to be released and most people would say a Game that required a lot of you as well Final fantasy six which came later on was a sprawling phenomenon Arguably final fantasy three you can be interpreted as a six The thing is The third it is that is accurate. It's it's another place. Yeah, yeah Yeah, yeah, it's just still funny It is funny though I would I would have said that if it was my video and I said final fantasy six and the screen said final fantasy three I would have been like oh or to admit to the west it was called a final fantasy I'm assuming you could just show the gameplay instead of the title I was going to say right. Yeah, yeah If this was final fantasy six in wherever else it was released Wouldn't there be a menu that displays final fantasy six and not three for him to use You know what I mean? Well, he yeah, exactly You could have somebody else you could have just you could well here if I google final fantasy six and go to images final Fantasy yeah, there it is six and then I click on images right there So you could have just used that But maybe the reason that he wanted to use this title is because it goes final fantasy three Somebody did a win to be Let's just send it to you guys I got Beemilk oh it's adorable. Yeah, it's cute. Oh my god. I love it Oh, that's cute. He's got beemilk and he's got a little star It's literally the most wholesome picture anyone's drawn for us so far. That is amazing. He's so happy I really like that. I like him. He's my favorite. He's he's happy. Oh now back to tonal blow He's got a scarf on now. Let's go back to Was a sprawling phenomenal rpg probably one of the best of all time It had a really cryptic and confusing story a really deep job Why would you say that a really a really a really deep job symbol or system and then airships Uncomplicated story like why is that considered a good thing? I think wait also I think he misspoke when he said job system in ff In ff6 you could get their characters to have classes, right? But everyone can learn magic I I don't know what he means by it's a complicated job system Because you just grind to get to to get to the next You level up the magic side. Oh, maybe that's what he was meaning. I don't know Well, I got confused when he said job system because you don't really change classes in ff6 You have a certain class, but you could learn certain spells depending on what you equip Yeah, people in chat are saying similar things. There wasn't a job system per se each character was a job Yeah, yeah So women am I right? It had a really cryptic and confusing story He described the story as cryptic and confusing in a positive way. It's not it's not a cryptic story also You know who the bad guy is And story be very cryptic and confusing Or it's like the Bermuda triangle He's using all of this as a jumping off point, by the way He's gonna get into the meat of the arguments best of all time It had a really cryptic and confusing story a really deep job system airships Huge amount of side quests and pretty non-direct gameplay flow What does airships have to do with a deep jobs and system exactly? Non-direct gameplay flow. The airships are job creators. I'm almost Exhausted of saying mechanics and navigators and Make airships great again Carpenters and pipe workers and I'm almost exhausted from saying what does that mean? But he said non-direct gameplay flow can anyone What does that mean non-direct gameplay flow is non-direct gameplay flow? Okay, wait, okay There's a part in ff6 where it's pretty much you could go wherever you need to wherever you want to go You come to that part in the game. There's like a direct Half where you could do that, but that's not the whole game. I don't know what yeah another thing What does he mean by that? Also, I'm getting sick of him saying airships but not displaying airships on the video It's such a simple thing to do, right? If you use reader response theory this tree airship speaking of pirates Arguably My name's be captain tunneled sparrow Just like final fantasy 7 that would follow captain tunneled may be the worst pirate i've ever heard of But you have heard of me, but you have heard of me arguably Undirect gameplay flow. Oh wait bitch and gaming said non-direct gameplay flow essentially is open-ended gameplay like minecraft Oh, is that what that means? Are you sure? I mean On a crack Yeah, this is not a great place to show non-direct gameplay flow if that's what yeah, exactly You should have shown that part in the game But non-direct gameplay flow if you're saying you just mean open world Yeah, I think well, there's a part in the game. That's not enough words You got a smarter than that Our non-direct gameplay flows are smarter than open world Or i'm getting sick of this guy are Also, yeah guys send memes on Twitter don't send them on to my discord because I can't I can't check discord stuff while we're live because of the Show the faces instead Speaking like a pirate makes me want to pop in my blu-ray of pirates in the carabin the curse I know I haven't seen it in forever Let's do it. I'm okay with that We'll do it. We'll do it pretty non-direct gameplay flow Just like final fantasy 7 that would follow you kind of had to talk to people figure it all out and most of the time You lose your way you'd pick up the trail eventually and get back on the right track all the while just enjoying everything the game had You could so easily spin that as a negative. I'm so confused by his assessment here losing your way is a positive Yeah, he's only because while you're looking you're enjoying it. It's like, oh, maybe that's what he meant. Yeah All right then Offer in fact, you could complete so many side activities that it seemed like so much of the entire game Was completely up to you to find These styles of old games are much different today And I find it very difficult to kind of go back to where you used to be as a gamer a long time ago Wait, it's not the jrpg mark As a skeptical pirate Literally making the reverse argument to the previous video now. He's always like bad. I remember when games used to be good I remember when games used to be good But Moller Moller but but Moller You gotta remember Moller Creativity has allowed the passage of time to bring you into this in iterations to our favorite game fundamentals Like getting lost. Yeah getting lost. That's my favorite mechanic It's not just the style of game or the fact that the jrpg market has kind of diminished as time The jrpg market has definitely Is too stupid. I'm waiting for the because he said it's not just that stuff stuff now. I'm waiting for the big point What's the big point time has gone on? It's just a general feel of how games were made back then and it's a general feel of how games were made back then Back when we didn't have the technology we have now our indoor plumbing Back before septic tanks were a thing made back then And I just hired a wizard to make mapu disappear My god cold bags We're bringing it back community That's circumnavigating the jokes It's come full circle Of how games were made back then and what was required of you as a player to actively participate with the game What was required of you to actively participate? Oh Isn't that like every game though What was required of a player to actively participate? I don't know Fucking pay attention and hit the right buttons Yeah Or just play the game. I don't know What the fuck You're required to play the game. Would it be passive participation if you were watching a movie? Or is it active depending on what your brain is doing like paying a passive participation would be playing quantum break I don't I haven't played that game. So I don't understand. Well, it's like it's like literally 80 percent a movie and A really bad one at that and 20 percent really bad gameplay Well, I was actually like legit asking though. Is that actually how you guys would Do the difference between passive and active participation? I don't fucking care and the wires my input It is active if the game plays without me needing to perform any action It's passive like have you ever played like a game on autopilot as in something grinding You're just tapping a button over and over again while listening to music or watching a movie even and you're passively Do I mean like you're actually pressing buttons, but you're not really paying attention That would be any given david cage game pretty much The thing is though like active it's on a spectrum, but there's clearly a line where you have to press button Yeah, the game just sits there Yeah, I'm just saying like you can practically like fall asleep while playing some games because you're not really paying attention But you could also achieve things at the same time. So it's like He's he's also doing the thing where he doesn't show us what he means by that thing. He said Oh, yeah, I mean It doesn't be much to ask of him isn't it come on. I just I just have a finish for our bits To actively participate with the game Role-playing games today nearly forbid that you get lost and make sure to clutter up your screen with markers and quest icons Your inventory with books see and this is where the motivation comes in so he would have he's aware of the complaints that were under this time where Those people making videos about how a lot of modern open-world games had a shit ton of um You know directions and stuff like do you remember that screenshot that went around where it was like an assassin's creed screenshot I don't remember which game it was but it's like they look at the mini map and there's like a fucking 100 dots and arrows and shit for everything and it was like this is modern gaming and then I think um Even eager raptor did one When he was doing one of his sequelitis videos, I think it was actually he was picking on uh, Call of Duty black ops well enough he was saying something like um, there's like seven different indicators for how you understand what you're supposed to do Like they just don't trust players anymore. So this is this is an actual discussion It's an interesting one But tonal always grabs the point and just slaps it onto a fucking video where he's got barely any like supporting evidence tonal just uses reader response theory What he says here is he doesn't he mentioned how extremely cluttered ui can be in a video game and in modern video games especially but if we go back and we look at um Let me take it. Do you remember where we were though? Yeah, 443. Okay um Let's see if I can find it first it was the Look at that original one and then are you suggesting that this is how much of the screen is ui I mean sidebars Is this a fair comparison like because the thing is like this is all just displaying information because this is the game right As in yeah, but if we're if we're talking about modern games aren't better or worse If it is if it's bad for one, but it doesn't even get a mention for the other when it was worse That's something that you should probably talk about Is there a difference though between you know, because like I said, I think he's gunning for the whole A game will keep telling us where to go and give us limited options in terms of going places He did say cluttered ui and I think he brings up this click here Because of how much of the screen space is cluttered up in ui I agree if that is what he's saying. I thought he was gunning for the whole Like you have like a quest marker in front of you like a little arrow Then you have like an objective in the top right and then the bottom left is an objective Then a character in the game is telling you where to go like and all of those things do the exact same thing I thought that's kind of what he was getting at but if it's literally just cluttered ui Then yeah, there's There's a lot of games that do that uh Quest icons inventory with books and charts your quest screen with a detailed account of Do a then b then c It's not a bad thing. In fact, some of these systems are actually really good for yes He was talking about here. So you got like notification notification notification Old breath zoom and then the top left is all those objectives which He's not wrong. He's just that he's gonna take other people's points and just poorly Execute explaining them like I said for games But they just changed the way the games are played as opposed to how they were played a long time ago So again, so you've got all those things on the minimap telling you exactly where everything is So it's what people say is that is less about exploration and more about checking off a list of things Yeah, it's not really exploring if you know what's there And you're actively going oh someone someone said you can turn them off Depending on if you can or can't in the games. I think that is a fair counter You can you can you know change what yeah, cuz because some games allow you to turn off the ui complete or the Hard at least completely off Yeah, and there's a discussion to be had between what like in a turn-based game you know where You don't really need as much of the screen to be like arguably when you're playing a first person shooter It's a lot more active then Then you have to Be able to see a lot of the screen because enemies will pop up and move around and you have to be aware of your Surroundings which aren't which aren't really problems in like the turn-based game It's worth saying that as games change and evolve and depending on the genre the ui should change to Or the evolution of graphics has left the need for uis to be a certain size kind of you know in the The fact we've already highlighted that it's like oh you might be able to turn it off in some games And then you'd be like what about the fact that some players want this some players need this And then it's like how bad is this ultimately and what to what degree is it acceptable or not? And he's literally just going to go All of fantasy was an open player game And then the newer ones Are less so and there are lots of games that are not games like there's a lot of games that have very minimal UIs in terms of how much like screen space they take I think it's dead space You know death space is like one of the best uis. Yeah death space is an awesome ui Yeah That there's a lot of games where have Stuff that's conveyed to the player without just you know icons on the screen Um, I wonder if he'll get into those I wonder as well The games are played as opposed to how they were played a long time ago So comparing them. I love how he says how they played a long time ago And he shows a clip in accessory black flag Well, and plus he shows two seconds of the actual ui that he's talking about and then he swaps swaps over to a cinematic That doesn't have any ui elements at all so that we can't judge like no Let the gameplay keep going so that we can look at the point you're trying to make but Why is he showing that when he's talking about old? He says old and he's talking about something that's absolutely a new ui as opposed to how they were played a long time ago As they were played a long time ago and it's like why are you showing this when you said that that's weird Go so comparing them apples to apples doesn't really make sense. It's like comparing them apples to bananas I suppose what it's not like they're not comparable Even apples have been on as a comparable to some degree I would call it something something more along the lines of like toast and butter spread on toast You know, this is a relevant super chat Uh, the original Assassin's Creed 2007 could have the entire HUD turned off and the characters would give you compass directions and specific building Market, mosque, god tower, etc to use instead See him for me If someone's thanks call signing Cyrus for the ten dollars. Well, I Sorry, I was just you neglected him. I was going straight for his point It's if someone used that as a counter to me saying there's too much shit on the HUD I I would have to agree with them. I'd be like, okay, cool If you can turn it off cool Yeah, is what else can I say like no Oh, yes, uh good point fair point and I don't think that's going to come up in this video considering how short it is But yes Apples to apples doesn't really make sense. It's like comparing them apples to bananas They're just a different experience for different time periods in our lives And that's because the entire industry has changed so much Back in the day simplicity was really hard to strive for because the hardware wouldn't allow it Simplice he was hard to strive for because the technology wouldn't allow it I would argue that technology wait The older the older you go the simpler it becomes arguably right arguably right Okay, he might qualify that but that is okay. Okay. I let everyone's reaction is just what I do okay. Yes. Yes older technology was so good That we couldn't make simple games. We had to make them as complicated as possible It was so simple. It couldn't be simple. I don't know what he means by that Really hard to strive for because the hardware wouldn't allow it. It wouldn't allow you to put in systems to make games Oh, Theo said, okay, he means our modern standard for simplicity Oh That you suggesting that he is saying how we look at what simplicity is today was not possible back then because of the technology Has enough change to our entire outlook on there's so many questions for a statement like that Let's just really relative. I mean in one one game that someone might think is simple Another might think isn't as simple as another game. That's all relative really is he if I think wait I think every downward first video should be a subgenre of eFap like every pause headache. I mean Someone in the chat said the damn complexity of that pawn. I could never figure it out Yeah, exactly. Exactly No, Pong Oh, right. Oh, I thought you said pawn, but even then um once again, I misunderstand you But it brings up a good point chess is how old How old is chess and the technology and the rules of chess? It's a simple game But it can be be immensely deep and it's a lot of strategy that goes into it I mean chess is probably what I would define as the one of if not the most complex timeless games Like oh, it's super fucking old and checkers is so far beyond it The people who are basing at chess scare me I hate that word sixth century It was invented in the sixth century really Sixth century. Holy shit. That was an old game in the 1500s The good old days the most commonly held belief is that chess originated in india where it was called chaturanga Which appears to have been invented in the sixth century ad It came from the indians, but although it is commonly believed It is thought that persians created a more modern version of the game after the indians But the white people took credit for it. Yeah, we fucking made it better All right, we got we got some memelies to do here. I've collected them now. Oh boy Best one But did the captain die or Oh Look at his ass chin Total look AKA downward spiral I have a I can't tell is that supposed to be rags. I think it's I think it's rags No, it doesn't have the signature glasses and I and I'm clearly it's clearly you I I don't have I don't say a scissors like it doesn't matter Tongues out the tongue is out. It's clearly a picture of you There's no there is never there is no precedent for me having my tongue out. You know what that's true Someone in the chat. Look at now. Look at wolves like a freaking dire wolf in this one Rags mauler wolf tone luke. Why do I why do I look retarded? Why did you give me down syndrome? Well, it's because you say a scissors like a down syndrome patient would No, no one would say that if they had the down syndrome the down. Well, yeah, the down syndrome If they had syndrome of a down, they would never say that People get older as time fly people get older as time flies by You see It was this one. I'm I'm forgetting contacts for this one The shocking turtle. Oh, yeah. That's a turtle. I thought it was a snake head That's a turtle. Oh We have to get you caught up on your reptiles, man. True. I'm I'm just terrible on reptiles that is You gotta get you caught up. You see if you were a leafy fan back in the day You'd know all about the reptiles. Wouldn't it be a fan of mr. Rhapsody calls his fans reptiles, right? Yeah, I guess Uh, okay. Yeah. Yeah Back in the day simplicity was really hard to try for because the hardware wouldn't allow it It wouldn't allow you to put in systems to make games easier for gamers So we relished in the challenge because Did he confuse difficulty with simplicity? I mean a simple game can still be difficult Is that what he was trying to say? It's like That whole sequence dude, let me listen to it again. Sorry. I lost like it's skipped and I lost the ability pause I'm just gonna okay. Let's do this again. It says for different super serious in our lives And that's because the entire industry has changed so much Back in the day simplicity was really hard to strive for because the hardware wouldn't allow it It wouldn't allow you to put in systems to make games easier for gamers So it was like no, that's not how it works. You don't put in the simplicity Things are simple by default and you make things more and more complex Putting systems to make it easier for gamers. You think you just start making a game and five seconds later It's incredibly complicated and you have to be like, oh shit. Oh shit. I accidentally made an MMO I gotta take stuff out until it's just pong again. So like if I'm giving him the most benefit of the doubt Let's just picture the thing that he showed so you got like all those quest markers for example They couldn't put quest markers in old games. Is that a statement that you agree with or is that I don't think that's true I don't think it was I just don't think it was something that they thought of I don't think they I think they didn't want it I don't think he's saying something. That's just so fucking nonsense. Where do you begin? I don't know what he's referring to and I don't think he's right I don't know what he's referring to and if I did I don't think it would be a valid point that is That's where I'm at. Like it's it's a complicated position to be in Wouldn't allow you to put in systems to make games easier for gamers So we relished in the challenge because that was what we were used to in the obtuseness And what was required of us to get the job done is gamers. I think he tripped over himself What he did that weird he was like obtuseness for a second. He just looked himself like what the fuck did I just say? obtuseness is a word But it's so it's awful. It's silly It it not quick or alert in perception Feeling or intellect not sensitive or insurmounts. That describes downward thrust perfectly Yeah blunt in form not sharp Rounded at the extremity And this is so like obvious reverse argument here So he's like You know by the fact that we didn't have the systems to be able to make all of the things that make it easier We're just accepting that that's true for now If that was true He's he's like so we relished in the challenge It's like you could easily have someone say like yeah It was much worse because you didn't have simple Systems in place to actually telegraph where you're supposed to go or what you're supposed to do You know old games just had no direction you could easily make that argument I mean, I'm not I'm not making it But he's he's implying that it's like a good thing What I'm trying to say with his CMC D Sadly, yes, he does have a large fan base. It's 300,000 I don't know that all of those people are fans. Yeah, but his view to sub ratio is It's like it's like around the mundane matte view to sub ratio. Yes It's like it's much better than that But it's still bad. Well, yeah, well, yeah, true. He hasn't done anything quite as stupid as mundane matte Um, yeah two days ago. It's all over the place three days ago 30,000 views One week ago 220,000 views two weeks ago 150,000 two days ago 74,000 It's all over the place. His last video is apparently not very well received We've blue said loft mass often stroke scrolling through DT's videos and he has a video titled battlefront twos Battlefront twos final insult. Oh, yeah, maybe it's the last. Yeah, I remember that one Oh, that's beautiful Downward thrust. Okay. This is this is funny in his in the comments of his recent video I was wrong about battlefield five They're cutting that says Is a comment that says Downward thrust is the type of guy to buy bottled water that release it back into the ocean You would buy a box of matches and throw them into the forest you're home Saved you Uh He'd be like those people that put turtles in the ocean when they're supposed to be fresh water They die Oh my god, oh god, is this the one no, uh, not yeah, but rags is comment about how he looks a bit, uh, down. I got I got a Oh boy, what have I spawned with that? This is gonna say this could actually kick off into something if we're not careful I don't even really know what they're trying to get across They hide the down syndrome Mike Mike said that would thrust the catapult is to try and drown a fish When I said I was gonna get down tonight, that's not what I meant Um, all right, you went downs tonight to get down And what was required of us to get the job done is the next step at evolutionary very difficult games. No, that's ass burgers Stop talking about the predator movie. Geez make games easier for gamers So we relished in the challenge because that was what we were used to in the obtuse-ness And what was required of us to get the job done is gamers and very difficult games Gamer wow that statement what an awful sentence Oh tonal that sentence was the linguistic equivalent of a Just like a wet paper sack Full of mulch You should have picked it up and it's just falls apart. I don't know. It's just it's I mean it is a thing but wow I mean that sentence must have been really hard to I wonder what take that was I don't know rags. Actually it would be one wouldn't it? He just does one take. I'm pretty sure Yeah, he doesn't give a shit. So it was obviously his first take but Calling it mulch will be an insult to mulch. That's true. At least mulch is useful Yes, exactly it helps Kid during this time force us into battleharden warriors games. We'll get back to you if you Warriors I'm sure like the dude said basement wearing his wolf shirt eating a cheeseburger playing dota is going to be a battleharden warrior Remember when quitting cold as warriors rags by it against like subjectivity or something I don't know. We will fight a holy war is what he said. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah warriors come out and play We do come out and play though. I don't fucking hide like a bitch Warriors I can't believe he said that I hit play but nothing happened Going on watch together Wait, is it not playing for you? No Oh, hold on. What time is it for you? Uh five twenty six Okay, hold on. I gotta play this time. We'll see. Games only gave back to you as we end up playing games as a kid during this time force us into battleharden warriors Games only gave back average. No, wait, hold on. Just jump forward again. That's complex, but they just Watch together. What's wrong? Playing games as a kid during this time force us into battleharden warriors Holds in the obtuse-ness and what is required of us to get the job I'll just leave it very difficult games That fixes it Oh god, I gotta scroll apostle the memes Games of the past Games of the past not games of the future Okay, okay. Let's see if it works now. Uh, it's loading for me It's just your opinion Games of the past and not games of the future. Come on tone I'm not gonna sit in but if they're games of future past They're never truly gone. What's happening for you guys right now? Uh, it's just pause. Yeah for me. It's yeah, it's at five twenty eight Did you try refreshing the page instead of just have you tried turning it off and on again? Well, yeah, I turned it off and on again, which is even more thorough than a refresh Okay, I'm gonna play it and we'll see if that works Anything no It's not playing for me But it's only playing for me. Okay. Maybe we just need to Together page wait. It's playing for me also. All right. I'll make a new one. Okay. It was at five twenty six Games is a very professional podcast. Let's just open that fucking thing with that line Even the past is like I keep hearing it Stop it tone Watch together destroyed with facts and logic Oh, it loaded the default video. That's a good sign The cat video It's like a laggiest fuck right now, I don't know why Come on tonaled Uh-oh Is everything just uh Hold on I mean great now watch together is getting down syndrome I mean, I I'm able to talk to you guys. So that means my connections Okay playing game Wait, there's only two people in the watch together for me as well by the way Yeah, it's only me and you I'm as a kid Wait, well, no, no, no, we made a new watch together. Okay Yeah, go in the link on the thing I will go to the place else. I thought you said that my stream was offline. I was like, oh, no Oh, no Suicide Grunts of America says that picture of downward thrust is amazingly accurate. It's actually terrifying Wait, which one the one that I use Okay, let us continue this and what was required of us to get the job done is gamers Very difficult games Playing games as a kid during this time forced us into battle-harden warriors Games only gave back to you if you manned up and you beat them today That's probably not the case Games today give a lot of free way. I guess we missed that sentence Yeah, battle-harden warriors keep going probably not the case Games today give a lot of freebies, don't they? And there's a lot less thinking that goes into playing any given game on average Perhaps it is not that they are today less complex, but they just make it easier for gamers They are today less complex. That's such a weird way of delivering that life Less complex or no wait here. Let me let me go back Less thinking that goes into playing any given game on average Perhaps it is not that they are today less complex, but they just make it easier for gamers to experience them What okay To translate I think he's saying discuss take take game a from the 1990s and game b from the 20 whatever they are both just as complex objectively. That's just something that a wizard tells us However, the way in which they deliver information on how to beat them both Is different because of sensibilities that exist at the time or technology that allows you to translate these things to people And so the game in 2020 is actually easier to beat than the 1991 Even though they're exactly the same just because of stuff like where it's like, hey go over here Hey use this to do that Now someone says someone in the chat says let us continue Valboa Baggins that is an interesting point But I don't know that that is what he's actually saying and besides there's a lot of reasons why there's something like that could happen as in There's there's a whole bunch of reasons why games may or may not have been harder to beat or more complex before versus, you know, like it's What is complex in a game exactly? What does that mean? Is it the amount of mechanics or how they mix with one another? Is it the depth That you could reach with them the height to the skill ceiling difficulty and complexity two different things too, right because I think he confused them. Yeah, it's possible. Don't really know what in the fucking world he's talking about. That's my assessment But they just make it easier for gamers to experience them call it dumbing it down Call it concessions or just calling it designing games easier. Call it. Whatever you want. I call it waffle call it Whatever you want. What is it though? What are you? What are you referring to that thing in your head that you're thinking of? That's exactly what that's it. Call it what you want. Yeah So yeah for all the audience members out there who think that there's some issue with new games that isn't in old games He's just told you yeah that thing you're thinking of that thing right there that nebulous thing That is the problem. I agree with you. That's it. Like and subscribe. This video is right. So you're on point The general trend over the last 20 years has been such and there is a reason for it The gaming environment has changed today. Everything seems to be wrapped up in what a strange Seem to show for this. Yeah Okay. Yeah, it is like the game industry is giving birth to the new games of the future Notice how it dwells and screams it's symbolic It's symbolic, you know that ceo is a great way to read Gaming industry what a strange. Yeah, because at ceo like it was the the rebirth of assassins creed It was the second game. Yes. It was the rebirth It reborned it the series It reburned it Has changed today. Everything seems to be wrapped up in money and it makes the experiences just different You can listen having a baby costs money. That's why when he said money You know like back in the day back in the 90s They used to make games just because it was a creative process, but now it's like about money You know, there's no money. I'm gonna have my baby quick grab my white dress It's not It's not like everybody was concerned also about making money back then too. It's nah It's just it is now and you know what that did Do you guys want to know what it did when they became more obsessed with money? It made it change what it did things changed Oh, wait, what was things specifically didn't stay the same They did not I can confirm this More things change the legends or no, I don't know what to call it. So I'm just gonna call it Snail happening. Where did we go? There's our pregnancy scene good. Whoa, there we go. A lot of what you have to work. Yeah We need to see it. It's important for context and it makes the experiences just different. Very good tone. You can pay for a lot of Look at that. Wait, wait, wait Look at the lady smirk Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, I've been money and it makes the experiences You're doing so good Just shit that fucking video out just squeeze that shit out. I love it Just also look at my massive tatas. He has this Screen this this thing for saying things would different like what what is what is it? Yeah, this is a bit different. I guess you're right You can pay for a lot of what you used to have to work for No longer Can you beat the story mode with ryu and street fighter 2 and be rewarded with his alternate costume or a new color way for a Yes, so this is another thing he's read about but he doesn't this is a completely non-secret Irrelevant point. You know the idea that you have a pause Sorry, I don't think Did street fighter 2 have a story mode? It's just arcade right though. If there are cons is there a story mode in the consoles that I don't know of Okay, yeah, so, you know like easter eggs and cheat codes and stuff And skins a lot of people have made the the the point that those things used to be unmarkables by doing those things in games But nowadays they micro transactions and other stuff That's true. That's fine. Yeah, and he's just thrown it in here because it's an actual like interesting trend People have noticed and talked about and he's just it's just haphazardly thrown And it makes him sound like he's actually got some kind of credibility here like he knows what he's talking about But what are his references you used to be able to go through the campaign One guy and unlock another guy. So like there's gonna be a game Where that's still a thing you can do these days You're gonna have to that's a whole video on its own honestly Sage you got to pay five dollars for it or spend 50 hours of your time earning enough fight money Fight money, what is he like what game is he talking about? I also think it's more of like The freemium model what he's talking about. Well, sure He could be referring to so many things. That's the problem that we don't know of. Yeah Oh my god Been 50 hours of your time earning enough fight money. Somebody wonderlust has been lost. I would say but perhaps it was unavoidable That's one big black guy That's my Playing that was a relevant. Yeah Games back in the day meant playing a strange place to put your dagger vagina dagger Oh, I didn't mean to go Playing games back in the day meant playing a much smaller pool of games made by a limited amount of developers today the hyper Always limited. There's no way he played all the games that came out when he was a kid That's just not a thing that happened the amount of of course by a limited amount of developers There's not an infinite amount of development. It's always unlimited This is what it reminds me of uh, who's the person who said It was it was cinema sins wasn't it who said something like, um It's it was infinite or it was close to infinite. This is like how do you get close to infinite? I'm so weak I suppose this you could say it's a metaphoric statement It's just being some immeasurable amount Distribution and game development has spread out of control like wildfire Seeing more in different games being developed to a single player in those battlegrounds Selling this like it's a bad thing Just so weird. This is just the reverse of the previous video the nature of game distribution and game development Has spread out of control like wildfire Seeing more in different games being developed every single day spreads out our interests among more games and more game avenues And this is a bad thing why I mean, he's gonna he's gonna seal this off with a quote. So it is they will no, but it's not bad So yeah, just just make sure everyone's following. He's saying the more developers and more types of games getting released so much It's just we're all just sort of you know We're playing loads of games and we're getting spread a bit across all of them, you know I think that's where he's going He spreads out our interests among more games and more game avenues for each and every game developed today More players become disseminated across those new products It's like when bilbo baggins This isn't us he put this here This is him This is the origin of the bilbo meme everyone Good old first you see when you I feel thin sort of stretched like butters He put a bilbo meme A bilbo quote To support is a joke like he legit is citing him like he's a philosopher And then wait wait also how how is many people playing many games necessarily bad? I know this is the thing. There's so many layers to this being stupid like First of all, why you quoted bilbo baggins in relation to modern gaming industry problems like that's just weird Secondly Bilbo's context he's talking about losing his humanity having been with the ring for so fucking long He feels stretched and thin Tonald is talking about How you play so many games you're stretched across them And thus you're disseminated to the crowd and you we haven't even clarified that that's an issue yet What people do I think that's true have more games to choose from but they only play as many games as they want to play Like do you guys play more games? Have you played more games this year than a particular year of one of your childhoods years? It's like this like oh no, there's so many games this year. I have to play them all Oh, no, uh where I was going with that was like I played more games when I was younger than I do now Even though there's more games available now than there was when I was younger. So it's an interesting liar Anecdotal evidence, but I mean Yeah, he just he just throws this up with the screenshot What do you do in total the most bizarre fucking segue and it's like this helps my argument. It's like no Someone said I understood that reference bill bow back Like when bill bow back and says spreading not enough butter over too much bread Nobody has enough money for all of them and ultimately that means today game sales are you didn't have enough money for all the games When you were a kid either That's always the case for every time there's been a game like I what what does he what is he trying to do here? It's just But there's more gamers in that massive pool to buy the games Yeah, so that's true. That's why there's so many successful genres today Yeah You could argue that the reason there's so many more games because the industry got bigger because more people got invested and interested They're interested in it I don't get it Oh god, it's just I agree. I believe if we look at the evolution of video games ecologically like this ecologically By that what does he mean by ecologically the video game? What okay, so I'm gonna read you out of the definition of ecologically In a way that concerns the relation of living organisms to one another and their physical surroundings Ecology is the branch of biology that deals with the relations of organisms to one another and to their physical What in the hell is he talking about The games they live let's let's listen to it again. What is he referring to and ultimately that means today? Game sales are hard to swing especially when so many games out there are free I believe if we look at the evolution of video games ecologically like the evolution of video games ecologically I just I don't know what how much how much good faith you have to provide him to be able to interpret that economically That would make a lot more sense It don't you don't even have to like I don't have to change that when I put it into my parody video I don't have to change it at all It's in its natural environment Covered in cheetos on the bottom of the floor Gaming in the 90s was a much more simple time The community making them was smaller allowing them to share a bigger piece of the pie Less hand-holding was needed Slowdown With the games being better or worse They could have a bigger piece of the pie and then you start talking about hand-holding. It's like whoa Bigger piece of the pie. Do you mean they could make more money because they had a bigger portion of the market percentage of the market But then but there's more money in the gaming industry now than there was then you know like A big hit now will make you more money than it would then I would imagine because of the amount of people who could purchase the game Depending on how much they get the game costs. See this is a It's a complex subject Less hand-holding was needed more risk could be taken for more creative projects as they weren't afraid Of you running off to another game or another device. I don't is that is that how bad destiny 2 looks? Or is that destiny ones probably destiny one? I don't know wolf answer that Uh, I don't know. I think venus is in both games speed it up. Put it forward a little I didn't play destiny we take in for more creative projects I don't know as they weren't afraid of you running off to another game or another device because there wasn't that many out there I'm sorry. Well, they took more risk because they weren't worried about people jumping to other devices Are you kidding me? Like the console wars were a thing from the moment That there was console wars if you know what I mean like they of course would what could be considered about other device That ties into a market share thing It'd be like do you release your game on all of the consoles one of the consoles? The kids it's hugely important and you'd be like they didn't they could take more risks They didn't care if you went they wouldn't care if you didn't you went to another fucking that is like no Wasn't there more selection back then for company consoles because you had It's just the three nowadays right nintendo sony microsoft The consoles obviously but back then you had those I guess microsoft wouldn't count because the first one was xbox wasn't it If you go back to let's just say the n64 What else was out then was a ps1? Yeah chat would probably know this better than me I can't remember but the Let's put it this way they had warring fan bases then too Yes the snats versus genesis that was like an actual thing stony versus sega versus nintendo but not really Consoles were a thing for the well-known consoles baler thrust Atari draincast soldier boy's console line Yeah, no they would be concerned that you jump priorities, uh, I love you just Like if I told you I was gonna make a video about the idea of taking risks when designing video games I don't know how I could make it in less than like an hour I feel like there's so many things to cover about why a developer would take a risk And how publishers control you and how the history of a series requires that you stay within certain things Like there's so much to it and you just casually it's like they wouldn't take risks back then They would take more of them because you know, they would care if you jump to another device Modern video games aren't better or worse. They're different like how does what he's talking about relate to that I don't have an answer for that. Yes If you lose tonal So when you think of it like this and you add it up some of the allure I think has been lost through the years Oh, this is definitely doesn't a one Oh wait to be yeah Over a little bit device. I remember playing on this map about a hundred thousand times to get some stupid helmet I didn't care about it out there. Yeah So when you think of it like this and you add it up some of the allure I think has been lost through the years not to say it's worth when you think about it like this Some of the allure has been lost think about what like what? Like what fight did you make? You made nothing It's just different because much of the fun in games has had to be scaled back How would it be if you said the fun had to be scaled back, but it's not better or worse How is it different? How is it wouldn't that just be worse to scale back fun? Even though it's not even quantifiable like Tonal'd I believed in you Fun in games has had to be that's replaced by the assurances garnered by gaming's most conventional safety nets Steering genres to a place of common ground teaching players by giving and not requiring And evolving what we used to know to make it more suitable for gaming's more streamlined palettes today That's not to say that today is bad Accessibility can be great and many games out there have been taken to a place Isn't that just strictly good? What's the what's the downside of accessibility? Also, if normies get in Anyway, what is if it's different and it's not necessarily bad, what was the point of making this video? To prove that point it's it's to prove that it's okay guys. It's just Like it's not even It's like a headache to watch these videos because it's just you know How long have we been going we're nearly at five hours five hours? Oh, I'm gonna have to call it really soon. I think I think it's safe to call it at the end of this video I think that'll be it. Yeah, this will be the term of thrust e-fap. We need to make it to five hours. Otherwise, the Let's cut off again Well, if you cut out a lot, you need to stop doing that. Otherwise, we'll You'll fire me And replace me with what jay the one who's never seen a movie in his life tonaled loke. I will replace you with You've already halfway there. Don't you do that? Also, don't leave jay alone just because he hasn't seen like a thousand good movies. That's fine Yeah, yeah, speaking of which chat you want to know how many movies jay has managed to not see, you know good old sin sins I'm sure we're gonna list like his one or two go go ahead. No, no, no So everyone sin sins, you know the rhino milk guy jay He has not seen saving private ryan terminator gremlins braveheart the lion king gladiator The last samurai kingdom heaven the green mile the shashank redemption rain man goodwill hunting black hawk down taking treasure planet The fox in the hound atlantis tarzan robin hood the disney one not the other ones I am legend and the lord of the rings trilogy That fox in the house. He has not seen anything in his life. I haven't seen like three of those I've seen all of them, but I guess i'm a film obsessed flim flam, so I don't really I'm just waiting for him to be like shut up though Oh wait, wait, I'll be back for a bit. This is cyber bullying Yeah, I'm just saying you know, how do you not see the lion king? How do you not see the lord of the rigs? How do you not see saving private ryan? I mean, these are like the movies that everyone on earth has seen I have to wonder is he like Does he like literally live in the middle east or something? PSA you guys should actually see those movies if you haven't seen any of the ones he just listed go If you yeah Yeah, let let let me let me reread the list so that you can make sure that you aren't as sinful as j is So again the movies that j has seen and that everyone on the planet should see is in a slower in a slower pace Saving private ryan terminator gremlins Braveheart the lion king gladiator the last samurai kingdom of heaven the director's cut by the way The other one that is bad the green mile the shawshank redemption Rainman goodwill hunting black hawk down taken treasure planet the fox in the hound Atlantis tarzan disney's robin hood. I am legend and the lord of the rings trilogy That's 23 movies And that's 23 of the biggest movies ever made and he hasn't seen any of them He said terminator two is more important. I've seen that. Yeah, you have seen that. That's your high I mean, sure, but still terminator one is really good though. Yes I actually think terminator one seeing it before two kinder makes two even better Like a lot better. Yeah Terminator two is amazing and it is better than terminator one Terminator one's a classic man looking at arnie is the bad guy when you go into terminator two makes it really satisfying knowing sarah's character You know change and the reasons why like it Just go see all those movies. Okay, let's go Also, yeah, we've started a conversation now as to whether or not terminator one or two is better. Nice one wolf Is everyone off Well terminator two is objectively better. You can think otherwise. She'll just I love both of them But yeah terminator two for me. I have a lot more to say for why it's oh, yeah I've been I binge watched all of them and then mauler had me watch genesis and I wanted to die watching genesis But terminator one like I was surprised by how good I found it Terminator two is still way better But terminator one like is way better than I remember being so Jane harahan said only one out of three people in america have seen the original star wars And it's the most viewed domestic film of all time people don't watch things Remind me. What does sin sins do on his channel? Is it uh review movies? I mean in fairness Not technically he reviews film reviewers True so but he would be a film critic still because he does defend me. I think so I think so I think But the funny thing is is we asked him like you've seen the dark night, right? And he was like, of course I've seen the dark night. It's like you can't say that you can't say You you can't say Of course, I've seen the dark night when you haven't seen 23 of the greatest films ever made I would just you just cut the sentence down to when you haven't seen lord of the rigs because they're too I would consider them in the same genre of these are films that you should have seen if you haven't Um, don't don't let people find out It's gonna be weird I mean, hey, you've got a lot of fun in in line for you though You know if you actually do watch the movie you got 23 amazing films to look into What do you think of black oak down? I love black oak down. I thought it was awesome black. Hawk down is awesome It's not historically accurate. It's awesome. I love how legolas dies right at the beginning All right. Yeah legolas obi one who else is in it? There's a bunch of like huge Also, uh, we have a video So let's get this knocked out to say that today is bad Accessibility can be great and many games out there have been taken to a place We couldn't even have imagined but some games in some genres He had a screenshot for witcher instead You're a strange man. I would love to know his this is a bad example of a good game his editing process Wait, did you say it was a bad example of a good game? No, no, this is the yeah, I mean this is you don't put mass effect and drama that As an example of something good. Yeah, it's what I was trying to say. Is that what he's about to say? But some games and some yeah, accessibility He was chewed up and spit out at the other end. Well, he said some games have fallen away chewed up and spit out and then he's got Andromeda, I'm assuming he's referring to it negatively. You know, I should amend that I should amend that I was I am legend is probably not in the list of the greatest movies ever made Um, I we were just here's how it started Um, moller told me one day jay hasn't seen saving private ryan And I was like everyone's seen saving private ryan And then we started going through a list and that was the whole list that we asked before We were so sad that we just couldn't ask him anymore before we were like Depressed and I am legend was just part of that list of the movies that he hasn't watched Yeah, I am legend is not one of the greatest films ever made by any stretch. It's just part of that I mean, yeah, I think it's I think it's decent. I don't think it's great. Um, but it goes far saying it sucks though No, I mean Yeah, the the ending is kind of dumb, but you know There have been taken to a place we couldn't even have imagined But some games and some genres have fallen away chewed up and spit out the other end Just to make sure they are as can be so nebulous. I have no idea what he's referring to and even says that Meaning it's possible to make the most money as possible Wait, wait, I think And it's a bad game. That's what yeah, I think that's what he's saying And spit out the other end just to make sure they are as convenient as possible to make the most money as possible Okay, wait as time goes on Mass Effect Endowment, I didn't make so much money. That's why they cancelled it. They tried though. They tried Yeah, they tried Like is it still a cash grab if it doesn't grab cash? Well depends what their intentions were Games continue and will continue to change through both demand man. That's such a great clip So, okay, so he's comparing demon souls to dark souls and how it's changed But he showed a bit of gameplay from demon souls and then a cutscene from dark souls Like this could be any game for anybody who's on a way I mean that could have been any game for anybody who's on a way If you're gonna go through the trouble of going and getting these clips Don't have a guy run forward 10 feet see an enemy and then turn around and run away He's like you have the clip. Just cut out a section where he's like hitting something or dodging an attack or Something come on. It's just it's the exact same amount of effort to survive Games of the past are not games of today Playing them today isn't the same Thanks for repeating the soul in me. He thought it was that good that he repeated it twice. Oh, no, that's Games of today playing them today isn't the same as playing them years ago Even if you were the same age It's not just the game Wait the same age is How would you explain I'm gonna share travel bullshit Exploding mind Gif, wait, wait Yeah, it's like it's the tim and eric meme or the minus flow. I think I know you're talking about. Yeah It's like it's What the fuck maybe I heard him wrong Games of the past are not games of today playing them today Isn't the same as playing them years ago, even if you were the same age even if you were the same age Oh, how is that possible? I I um I have some I have some information the total time is lydia Um You know that terrible movie that everyone thinks is good for some Oh god Um, wow, I Such a fucking funny line. Jared doesn't age Like Wait, what is this? Is this it? No, it's not better mine Pail in hurry up. We're almost done. I can guarantee you So the reason what he was trying to say there was if you were the same age as someone who had played those games back then That's probably what he wanted to say But instead he implies that we can type travel and I just thank you tonald go even if you were the same age It's not just the games that have changed It's the attitudes that go along with them and what they're willing to do today games are more advanced And they've gone down new road not necessarily it depends on what games More advanced, what does that mean? You know like, uh, what's a simple yet popular game? cod for interest Pay low on just cuphead count Where's that considered complex? I don't think it's complex. No Just do checkers or tetris or mario doom Wolfenstein 3d. They said a rival is great. I'm angry now Uh, well, jay. I'm sorry that you like really terrible movies filled with idiot characters Get a stupid plot twist that makes no sense if you actually apply Humans are the forerunners No, I genuinely hate that film So much to the core of my soul. I remember when I walked out. No, shut up. I remember when I walked out of that movie I remember when I walked out of that movie with my friend I like that movie so much because the language is in circles and time is circular And I was like, oh god, that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life And I watched it again because I was like, is my missing something and I watched it again And I was like, no, no, it's like it's like even dumber than I think the main character is retarded the military I swear to god, I think the people who made that movie have something against the military because The it's the dumbest people on the planet I mean, they listen to like alex jones and they're like, you know, it's a great idea Let's go against our commanding officers and try and kill the aliens for no reason because alex jones said to And then there's that stupid plot twist that makes no sense because it relies on so many different factors Like in a totally alternate timeline It's I I'm serious if I if I come back When I come back to youtube, I'm making a video destroying that movie. Same with annihilation. Same with Aquaman Yes, the three a's the triple a the ancient effect of terrible films that everyone likes and they're wrong Um, so you're wrong if you want to have how about bird box could With us is the bees. That's the triple bees um B box So if we could do that sometime j could watch the film you could watch the film Then we have like a little debate on you. We can like watch the film. We can watch the film together j No, no, it has to be live when you disagree so that everyone can watch you guys rip into each other Oh j you're gonna die I think j's we're just got like the fucking ball of stressed face right now Jay you haven't seen 23 amazing films So you're you know your opinion is invalid You liked black panther He he still likes black panther. I believe he just you you like black panther because you haven't seen good movies Do you think you see in lord the rings would make him hate black panther? Um, I think if he sees one good movie, it'll make him hate black panther. He seemed to me too If he sees two good movies, he'll hate black panther Yes, that offer will just sit on the table down j uh, you can come on and wrestle with uh With with the happy wolf as he's as he's known the common happy wolf too today games are more advanced And they've gone down new roads. It doesn't make them better or worse. It just makes them different But old games were complicated because their technology wouldn't allow them to be simple Wait rags or what you're saying is the video doesn't make sense, right or worse dude tonald was Spittin philosophy and you guys weren't picking it up because you stupid Yeah, it's over it is over It's over man. No, uh, no square space. I Square space was like Jay jay said I've seen good movies. I've seen tlj. I thought he immediately said like that was a joke By the way, I'm pretty sure it's clear, but it can always be it's like. Yeah, he's gonna be careful saying that Jay j Jay look There's something to do you you've you've you've used your face cam in your videos You're you're like a pencil What are you? Rags rags with the jay defense What are you rags? Hiding your down syndrome behind the glasses No missy tonight. Hey, why don't you step into the chroma zone? From the zombies crack Look at twitter. I am looking at twitter. I've got a selection here, but I don't think any of the not what you're looking for wolf Let's uh, just keep monitoring. I I shall oh you know it's arrived Done done. All right. I'm done. We'll do it. We'll do it lost We'll do it. Okay the way that we do it No, do it now I I'm doing it now, but I'm doing it. Okay the way that I'm doing it No, you're not. Okay. So this is this is number one People get old as time passes. Toby McQuire rip off that sounds like a You just got straight up Then what I think genuinely could sub up his channel to a t this will be oddly How do you do fellow gamers? Basically Uh, that's a good one When I said I wanted to get down tonight, I was this was not what I meant But that twist my pay another look How many memes to get through So many memes video games of the past transform me into a battle hard What movie is that taken from? Uh, I don't know. I've never seen that that's Maybe a game Troy the eagle doesn't see trope or vikings. Maybe I'm trying to like go just based off of like the armor, but I can't think of the shields back there like roman style shields And we go this I don't know You're the worst I've ever heard of but arguably you've heard of me Oh, it's perfect bail in here. That's great. That's great All right, well, I mean I'm gonna read out all the super chests and of course we will be able to reach the end then Um, this is gonna take a while That doesn't mean it won't be amazing. So, um, hey wolf as much as even As much as you used to be into halo, how do you feel about halo 3 od st? It's a personal favorite of mine though. It was overpriced for what it offered at the time and some plot issues I like it It was a question for me Yeah, sir Yeah, I know, but he's gonna get value out of this damn super chat whether he likes it or not Well, my value is better than your value I do not think that is correct. Um, I do so Yeah, that's just your opinion Shut up dog So here are the three od st I'm I didn't know how to say doggo in a pirate voice doggo Okay, so yeah halo 3 od st I liked it, but it was Well, halo 3 was the last time bungee ever gave shit about anything they made And halo 3 od st was kind of like the crux Of the well, not the crux. That's a bad way to say it. It was just like the bl end all no No, it it was the prologue to what would happen to them because they falsely advertised that game They said it would have new multiplayer. It's even on the says new multiplayer It's just a couple new multiplayer maps for halo 3 Which is really stupid. It's really overpriced the firefight mode That's not multiplayer yet is Well, it is multi there is a co-op mode, but I mean like multiplayer. Yeah. Well firefight is on the box too Yeah, it's multiplayer. Yeah, but it also on on the box aside from firefight. It says new multiplayer It was talking about a new multiplayer system like, you know the competitive halo and they totally lied about that Now the actual story I liked the world. I liked the characters. I liked the Um, it's just it really overpriced and falsely advertised Well, well Uh, there are objective morals the definition of good is that which supports individual freedom slash rights and supports society at the same time It must be consistent and based in truth. Yeah, but you can draw it back to the whole, um Who defines those as objective morals? Sort of thing, um, but again complicated subject not necessarily disagreeing But it was just a weird thing to sort of try and access on efab because of the The pirates I would like to I would like to read, um I know sam harris believes in objective morality and I recently have been reading a sam harris book, uh I think it's called waking up. It's about spirituality without religion. It's pretty interesting I'd like to see what he has to say about objective morality. I believe like a lot of the basis is something like, uh Isn't I don't know if it's a really it's like a fundamental idea of pain or Conflicting preventing someone else from doing anything they wish to do as long as it's within They they aren't affecting anyone else. Isn't that like a one of the fundamental things From sam harris specifically. Oh no, I'm just saying like in general a lot of people try and go with Oh Yeah, I mean my my whole thought is if it's harming someone else mentally physically or emotionally Then it's morally bad And morally repugnant in my eyes. Um, I would like to see, uh, the argument for objective morality from a Bad to break up to somebody No, no, I mean it depends. Well, if you have the intention to do harm to them, that's one thing. Um Yeah, I don't think I mean I have to really look into this really Yeah, I don't really think too much about Uh, objective morals in that way, but it it's an interesting topic It's just like I I guess part of it's like a lot of the objective morality thing comes from like A religious standpoint, which I don't agree with But I would like to see I do I am interested in the arguments, uh from a standpoint I just haven't really looked into it to me and break said I'll gladly come on to explain objective ethics And then someone else said objective ethics unearthed unearthed an rind and marie Rothbard a rind. I'm not sure but I mean, I think that society is um What society says, you know, we're not too concerned with on e-fap. I mean, well, it seems I just don't think that A lot can be achieved by us talking about it versus Pursuing people who actually talk about objective morality Professionally, you know, it just seems a weird thing for e-fap to go over But I mean if people wanted us to we could like explore if For an episode we have to cover somebody who just does everything wrong as soon as A downwind thrust makes a objective morality video. We'll jump in Hey, Mola, did you see the just right put out a video criticizing fantastic beast too funny? How quickly he abandoned his new standard set by tlj His thumbnail for uh What's the movie by steven spielberg with all the references ready player one? Um, yeah, he's got this bad Yeah, it's like How do you even define it if it's just you felt it was bad? What's the point like it's yeah, I don't know. He considering he thinks everything is subjective I don't think you could nail him down until he says the word objective Like everything he says up to that point is subjective. That's how his mind works the same with joseph Uh, just right like he's releasing more and more videos talking about bad writing and in things and then it's like But I thought it was all subjective and he'd be like, yeah, it's my subjective opinion on what's bad. It's like, uh Okay, um God how it it just works Are any of you into bird box? It's being heavily compared to a quiet place. I would love to hear your thoughts on the film So who has seen it? I have I have to I'm assuming wolfen rags haven't I have not I have no interest in watching it, but I watch the red letter media on it Yeah, I I consider it like a serious middle of the line movie There's loads of bad and then things that I think are pretty good too It was okay. It was yeah, it was okay the way that they did it. Um But it's getting a tad over and underrated Like at first loads of critics were saying it's amazing and now loads of people on youtube are saying it's like the worst thing on Netflix and I'm like both sides of those arguments are just retarded Um, it's it's better than a quiet place. I would absolutely argue but then again I feel like the packaging for a quiet place makes people a lot more Um, is a menable suitable in that sense there like they're much more Okay with a quiet place because of how it seems like it all makes sense It's easier to figure out how much it makes sense compared to a bid box because bid box actually has a strange structure It has two timelines at the same time while yeah a quiet place is very linear I don't know me and me and wolf Feelers though more could be done to share that a quiet place is extremely flawed And perhaps something will be done about that in the future Yeah, perhaps someone get on making an efap slash jojo meme video I've agreed to disagree on the pants thing. Oh, someone was suggesting you guys agree to disagree I don't this is why I don't wear pants I agree with that statement Um in dying light the main character's having an acid trip thinking she's a zombie while she's trying to give them a Shot to stall the virus in him Is that relevant to oh that's because of the clip where the syringe appears magically I think So if that's an acid trip, I suppose that makes more sense I never got very far into dying late. I thought it was kind of boring Can we just get get into the pants since you wait what can we just get into the pants since you've gotten us worked up Not getting into pants Not doing it It's like pedantry olympics lose the pads guys not a big fan of scissor response theory to be honest Um wicked old school adventure game with lots of sarcasm and themes your dulcet tones would make for an ideal narrator Mola, how can I make this happen in my opinion? I have tried to basically do a full no on voice acting just because I want to Spend any time that could be spent on voice acting just doing video editing, but I mean I don't know like I said, I'll probably Because I've already said no to other people asking. I'll just I'll just have to stick to the principle and be like I'm sorry But casting call there's a website called casting call Use that you'll find what you're looking for. I guarantee it. There's loads of talented people on there. Um Trying to get work. So I prefer casting couch. No, not that one Um, but thank you I asked for advice last month, but you guys misunderstood me. Let me clarify. I got my waifu when I was 16 She's 14, but is fictional and doesn't age. I am now 25 It is creepy to keep my waifu or okay because she's grandfathered in Why do you have a waifu at the age of 25? Wait, wait, wait. The point here is that the point here is that we have we are presented with monetary reasons to misunderstand your question Huh, uh Because if we don't understand it, then next eFap, he'll give us more money to ask us again I'm actually so Repeat the question. I'm confused about this. I got my waifu when I was 16 and she was 14 But is fictional and doesn't age and so that now he's aged to 25 Is it creepy to keep the waifu or is it okay because she's grandfathered in? Okay, so hold on he's 25 father in fictional waifu is 14. That's weird. Why don't you just age your fictional waifu up? Why don't you just get a real wife? Yeah, that's another question. Just just get a girlfriend. That's yeah, man. Get a get a lady friend. Honestly, that's They do explore the world you can't find them That's that's wrong here like seriously though like find somebody that's messed up. You'll fuck him I would I would just you know, it's a strange question in general go find one of them real ones They're cool fictional waifu for How many is for nine years? There's something there's something wrong with this man The waifu is implied Are you guys gonna watch don't get annihilated by Andy or something? Oh, I don't care. Yeah, I don't even know who Tonga is Well, it said Tonga before when I was don good Oh Yeah, I mean it's Tonka so like oh did they have like a debate recently or something No, they're gonna fight in real life. They're gonna box somewhere really okay. Yeah, I think that's the lore Who's Tonka? I don't know this person Tonka so it's internet blood sports That whole thing Yeah, well, yeah, I don't know anything about it. Yeah, but yeah But if there's a highlights real of the boxing match I would probably just throw it on for the for the levels more I'm trying to get an analysis course started in college. Would you be willing to come as a professor or at least a guest speaker? Sure, that's her if you fapping. I can teach you Mm-hmm. I Didn't play Morrowind till 2015. I loved it. Yep. That's that'll be another one I suppose tonalds didn't say that that's impossible. It's just It was implied For love of God down with rush to make an actual point, please I recently played half-life 2 and fear. I was amazed how well thought out detailed They are made with passion p.s. Killian experience anyone. Yeah Yeah, shout outs Fear is amazing like I played fear 2 then fear 3 and I think I went back to fear 1 Because a friend was like stop playing the shit once and then I was like, holy moly feel one's awesome Fear 3 was like the one of the first games I ever just stopped playing because I was like this socks. Oh And Dragon Ball Super Brawley in select theaters this week and that's another recommendation I don't even feel like I should watch Dragon Ball before being able to watch whatever Dragon Ball Brawley is Down with broccoli down with thrust oofed Super Mario maker's physics for SMB 1 SMB 3 and SMW is not authentic at all instead Using NSMW physics. So when you when he said like it's better You get a better experience or more rewarding experience playing the older games and like the updated engines and stuff This person's argument is that it's not authentic Don't know if that means it would be better or worse though It would be more complicated, but I think that there's gonna be precedent for a game getting updated and they fuck it up Like you guys think of any times they've done that They've been in the industry like a game gets updated remastered or remade, but it's worse than the original Like they fuck it up Let's go to the silent Hill one. Yeah, I've heard bad things about some silent Hill remasters that are bad. I Heard that the Assassin's Creed 2 remaster was pretty awful Dragon Quest. Oh the Dark Souls one remaster. Yeah, that wasn't like that wasn't terrible, but it was bad But like what it should have been Ratchet and Clank PS4. Is that a remake? I guess you could consider it that. Yeah, it's kind of like a remake of the first one Yeah, no, that's true, too. Like the original was better than that one. Ocarina of Time of 3ds. That might be fair. I haven't played it Yeah, but the the precedent exists as well as trying to get out So did you ever get around to checking out Carmen Ryder? Wars which has the two main actors in a live-action bleach film. It's the basis for have we met before line in if so thoughts No I think that's oh, yeah, wait wait. Oh, that's for you. Sorry Yeah, yeah, uh, I haven't watched Forze it like the whole season, but I've seen some clips on youtube so Wait, you've seen like three seasons to me Yeah, it's like It's it's a It's a mask writer show. Uh, it's it's for my review on bleach Yeah, it's it's a reference to that and one of the the lead characters Uh are Are in that same show so I I I said I would watch it, but I haven't gotten around to it and I have looked at some clips, so Um, I have high hopes for the future of bungee and destiny. Forsaken is a really good expansion and They expressed how much they really want destiny to succeed. What do you think of that wolf? I disagree. I I mean people said the same thing about the taking The taking king expansion Really didn't do as much as people like make it out to be It's still the same shitty grind still has the same shitty story has the same shitty Blackluster gameplay. I mean sure the gunplay is like solid, but it's really really shallow There's just nothing to it. I mean I want bungee to get back to being good, but Like I said, I can't trust bungee after Take our destiny one and then destiny two and honestly, like I said 2007 was like the last time they cared about making a good game No, that's just take I I have no investment in bungee. So I'm just like apparently samsung's in trouble because um People can't delete the facebook app on their devices Good thing. I don't have facebook. I like yeah a lot of people. I have it Family discussion stuff. I don't like facebook. I wish I wouldn't have to I hate facebook Um Maxpain 2 is one of the best gameplay story and graphics, but anyway guys it was released in 2003. What the truck also happy 2018 2 Yes, this is the sequel to 2018 Um Thank you. Uh, what will this downward dipshit faces critics? I think I don't know the he like leaves comments in his videos every once in a while. That's just That's that's the length that he goes to Uh, check out gary sheep 1717 the latest parody of order 66 He's one of the ones that I've got in the selection for a future meme. So we'll have to try and get around to them Pacing shouldn't be something that is standardized. It should be relevant to the interest of the game and the scenario Yeah, I know that's I don't understand how you standardize pacing. I don't know how that works Press f for elevator music. Uh, also non-scaling areas and enemies isn't a problem of pacing. It's a completely different design issue. Agreed exactly Uh, it's lucky that downward thrust and those like him don't have to have their essays graded because my high school English teacher Would throw them back in their faces let alone my college professor. Well, apparently that's what we're here for We're like marking these videos Uh, streamlined gameplay is the bane of modern gaming. It's always manifest as cut content and features And it just depends on what streamlining means specifically, I guess Four minutes video in two hours. That's one minute for every two seconds. Oh I think that makes sense. I hate downward thrust so much someone should put pvc piping all the way up his poop shoot Would put bob wire upset pipe then remove this Christ, man. Oh my god. Oh my god. What's wrong with you terrible thing to say I mean, look, okay. We don't like downward thrust either, but that's a little far. I mean, I kind of like him at this point. He's funny Don't do that. Don't hurt him Yeah, I mean, yeah That's that maybe I don't won't be able to make no more videos if you do it you can call him an idiot, but don't like Oh, what's what's wrong with you? By the way, that's the same guy who had the waifu. I think Oh my god This is what haven't fake waifu is fucking does the people this is christ. What's there's something wrong with this person get help Nothing like evap beer and eu4 session was eu I think it's your open universe alice eternal and dying I kept getting an error. You're not eating I kept getting an error message not sent edit and try again when trying to ask how to pronounce Lan fer pull gwin gil go gurg gurg gurg gurg I think it is in the welsh name. Well Just oh, you mean that that's a town with like the 50 letter name Yeah, but I mean, uh, it's bad enough that it's 50 letters, but it's also a fucking welsh word So there's loads of orchid and a chin is sick. There's like loads of shit in wales that yeah What's wrong with your like little your little place? That's a question that will never be answered because nobody knows the answer So tonald first says that games get sequels because they're irrelevant, but then said in uncharted 2 was relevant That's that makes sense if you think about it though because um If you use tonald response theory Man, how do you think tonald would react to this stream? Like what the fuck is all this? I don't think he like he already tweeted he already tweeted. He said like I don't think about it at all Or I have I have no thoughts essentially what you mean about us or about some about us e-fap Yeah, like one of the first ones we did someone tweeted him about you know, what do you think about, you know, the stream and everything I I have oh you mean like back in like july or something. Yeah I don't think about it at all You know what tonald we would love to have you on and we would totally cover anything You know, I don't think he would have much of a reaction like you know that that that face You know the first sketch that the first drawing that was sent to us of tonald I think that's just his expression for every single thing he does Stares a little bit at it Love the fancy layout. How is everyone doing today? How is everybody? How are you all? I'm great. I'm doing really well Thank you psyched Vigor and pep I'm doing well as well and then and funnily enough the new layout is literally just three Purple lines and I put the e-fap thing at the top because I thought it looked better and people could actually Know what e-fap stands for consistently now. So Yeah, but thank you um The same game on console and pc or last gen game on new gen can have different load times thanks to the system hardware Despite the same interfaces. That's true. I mean, but it's confusing enough that he said interfaces changed fucking loading types like As opposed to much more significant differences, but you know Here's some money for a bill. Well, I uh Appreciate it bobson Smallers thin. Yeah, I I need to put on a bit. It's in fairness. I'm I'm I'm too thin. I'm like a twig. I'm like j Creativity is allowed the passage of time some considered to be a natural Every time you unlock a sentence say jackpot. Oh, do you mean like because of how long it took us to get to new sentences? Every time we get to a new sentence take a drink Down with thrust isn't smart enough to talk about final fantasy tactics. Get this off my screen Oh boy, I finally caught a live episode of Raleigh's Gully yells at a cloud can't wait to see your analysis of their decision to put star wars in the mcu and have rey defeat Thanos in avengers that game At that point, I would just be like disney is a parody of itself But um, thank you. Uh, down with thrust more like gay got him. They had super chat this stream Yikes Relevancy and enjoyment are two separate things. Why does tonal not understand that much? I I I don't know. We never know what he's even saying Hashtag ban rags. I just love the hardest to have in a long time. Have a tip. Ah, I just skipped over them ah We did we did oh god. Yes. I said Written by God. Oh, there we go Uh, have a tip for the mom joke Bravo sir Wait, what's the mom? What is what did one of us make a your mom joke? Oh that rags. That was rags Yeah rags me that your mom joked in hot fire I just spent the last few hours finishing a grueling essay and it's thanks to all of your deep sexy voices that I could push through Thanks. No, oh, yeah Rags the mother lover the milf hunter the 30 and up fucker the mean apposal ravishing That's me Stone Is downward really correlating pure age of the game with any and all subjectives even enjoyment with its gameplay slash story slash tone Slash aesthetic nani. I mean, yeah How do you even quantify what happened in his videos? I don't think you can Wolf cost Jared's list movie written by moeller What Oh Wolf as in holocaust, but with wolf wolf cost Oh wolf cost Then jared's list movie written by moeller Did you miss anything listen cj you missed like five hours of autism? This is the end of the stream Congratulations to cynical reviews for verification and for hitting 100,000 subscribers sir All right lost your virginity yet We both know it was because of your appearance on e-fab everywhere. That was the entire reason for it We did it. We helped Um, but yes, we didn't read it Good stuff mist of doggo and congratulations on your new podcast. I believe they're doing an episode again That's the point. What's what's the um It's a second channel. I'll throw it in fuck, uh What's it called the great british podcast? I believe how was that name not taken by the way? You think somebody would have had that already up. There we go. I think Cynical streams there you go. So cynical reviews the guy who was on for the episode where we covered uh Sam Raimi spider-man films with I think rags wolf wasn't here for that. I don't think um Yeah, we watched him for that. Yeah He's running a stream with cynic snacks the pizza who was on the episode we covered shinobi if you guys The pizza that was I just want to say Shoutouts to cynical. I really enjoyed his sarah bergus review. That's how I discovered his channel. So it's really great And it's and it's patrick williams video. It's uh good times So so those two pizza doggo and uh vox's productions the puppet. Oh, yeah the puppet He's really we're gonna try and get a guest on e-fap at some point as well The three of them have started a podcast called the great british podcast Here is a link to the channel that archives it Check it out folks um Yeah, it's it's pretty neat. I was on there like weird prototype episodes. So um, I think there's only two right now So check check them out Uh, anyway hit or miss. I guess they never miss, huh? You got a boyfriend. I bet he doesn't kiss you He's gonna find another girl and he won't miss you. He's gonna skirt and hit the dab like whiz khalifa That was from precious crystal fox boy. I blame wolf for these things Precious crystal fox boy. Hey mola. Can you do a video analysis on milf the caribbean 4 plunging pirate booty? um If I he said the b word I don't know if there might be a good idea if tonal agrees to do it with me I will do it. I will do it with you um I'm all unbridled rage on crystal skull or genesis. I'll do genesis the problem with me and crystal skull is that um I I was never like I loved uh the older indiana jones and like I sort of I don't know how I felt about crystal skull I just thought it was dumb and I kind of like forgot about it while genesis like seriously pissed me off So I think yeah, I watched all the terminator films back to back to back and then moller was like let's Genesis together and it's like oh, hey It's the worst thing I've ever seen Aside from to it's like literally the tlj of terminator. It is so awful And I'm like crystal skull is bad. There's no there's no doubt, but I don't know crystal skull is not quite series ruining Yeah, like tlj and genesis are on the same like tia while Um, I don't know. I don't know where I'd put Crystal skull, but yeah, there's probably someone out there who is super there's like a super pan pan super fan of indiana jones You could probably do a better job than I would Because of the the passionate investment you get PSA forgotten most of the crystal skull I remember shyla buff was in it and that's that's that's it pretty much Um, we will be we will get PSA sitch on at some point as you can see there's a couple of people who already been suggested and Several people I've told will be coming on and we've got the podcast with colonial marines, which will just be us three And we got the one we were gonna be covering eric taxon's new video. So it's like It's just gotta get all things in order. I guess um Adeptus astatis is miss. Oh wait. I read that one already. Uh crystal skull or genesis crystal skull or genesis It uh genesis for which one is better or what just says that Uh, well crystal skull is better than genesis. There's nothing No, the last two eyes worse than genesis. Well, is it worse than genesis? I don't know It is so hard to decide because they are watching back to back Well rags genesis literally erases terminator two from the timeline Yeah, but the last shed eyes really bad. Yeah, but they all At least luke wasn't erased from the ot like he wasn't I wish he was just erased at this point. I mean genesis is I mean, I would say they're on par They are so awful and they both disrespect the previous films pretty equally It's a it's a it's a complicated like genesis was making me furious. It's like the whole way through Uh, hey guys thoughts on the darksiders franchise. Also, would you play it for the evil? Navi voiced by mark hamill that you get in the first one? He's awesome, and I do like darksiders. I never finished the first one And I've heard the third one is actually pretty good. That's that's my take on it anyone else I've never played them. Oh, well They they're cool. I like the information necessary Uh, the original assassin's creed in 2007 could have the entire oh wait, we read that yeah bully arguably making toast Hey guys, I have a recommendation for wolf as a lover of lord the rings You've got to see the meme page of lord the rings shire posting it will uplift your soul with many laughs bill bow means, etc Where is that? I don't know google it. I guess the The meme page lord of the rings shire posting Shire posting Kind of reminds me of bionicle mask posting. That's a funny dark Facebook page There was pretty much the only reason that I stayed on Facebook and I was finally fed up with seeing my friends say stupid things all the time and making me hate them Let's see lord of the rings dire posting Oh, it's unfit. No, I'm not I'm not signing back up for facebook for that That Even bionicle mask posting wasn't enough to And that page is hilarious um There's a there's like a I remember someone mentioning someone sent it to me, but I don't know how to get back to it There was like a a wiki page for me on like Gaming battle.net or some shit. I sent it to you wolf at one point. So it's funny. Um I like mentioned it's like all e-fat memes in it, but I haven't got the link to it And I don't know how to get to it if someone in chat knows how we can probably Uh Check it out live or whatever. Um You guys are still streaming his five dollars. Keep it up. You mad man. I mean, yeah We're nearing six hours now. You guys are always hating on someone. I approve Have some hate raid also ask rags if he wants to bring his buddy jtech tv on e-fap at some point He would be no fun at all He would be too stupid to conceive wouldn't it be funny From the issue of him not being funny around us Who's jtech tv and some losers some playstation fanboy I used to make a few videos on I guess he's still around. I don't know. I haven't I as this kind of surprised me when I heard that Name come up. I'm like, oh Oh, yeah, that's right. This person is a thing that exists I'm pretty sure even people who live under rocks have seen those So that's the list of films that uh, all side of syra said I've only seen two of those So sorry, I'm all I really appreciate your work Would you consider doing a stream slash video in which you talk about what you hope to see an end game an episode nine? Uh, probably not. I mean, we'll talk about it on the stream as well So I'll probably we'll probably even talk about end game once it comes out But um, I'm apprehensive about both of well apprehensive about end game because I don't want it to be bad I'm excited about episode nine because I know it'll be bad It's gonna be funny Because even a good film To be good as episode nine you'd have to contradict what came before in episode Like seven and eight which would by virtue make you a pretty disrespectful sequel. So it's just a mess I got a laugh at work the other day when someone told me to grab the pile of oily rags I could only imagine rags oiled up Uh wolf best three days grace album also love your book Oh, glad you like the book best is 1x life starts now. It's a pretty close one There you go. I thought everyone hated treasure planet That's from a super chat. Uh, I mean it was a Financial failure, but I've seen very few people that didn't like treasure planet I once knew a kid from middle school who said he never watched samurai jack I haven't watched samurai jack Uh rags serious question. What are you hiding behind those glasses? Is it your shame? Is it your inatard? Is it your urge to milk? So here's the here's the deal. So what i'm doing is i'm actually I'm not hiding my eyes You see i'm hiding the light from my eyes You see I don't I i'm trying i'm preventing the light from getting into my eye I'm making a statement You just saying that to cover it up. Whatever I fuck with my glasses on Um opinions on crystal skull. I guess we kind of went over that I just All I remember is I was just like what the fuck is happening in this film and then I stopped watching it Then I watched plinkett's review and I was like, yep, this film is really bad Yep That's that's my take anyone else got anything that it's like a bit more in depth than that That sounds like a no Have any of you played battle brothers? I have A little bit. I didn't finish it I have no idea what it is It's a strategy game a tactical top down You recruit mercenaries into your brotherhood as it were And you and you do random quests and and you level them up and you make your way into the world That's basically it Yeah, fair enough. It sounds kind of it's a strange name Battle brothers seems really generic kind of thing. You you know, like kind of like interstellar soldiers or something like that Yeah, there's a random example, by the way. I'm not referencing anything I just took two random words and threw them together. I don't know what you guys are talking about tlj versus black panther versus arrival go Versus what what's the last one? Rank them wolf do it. Is this from j. Yes Jay Now my response Does not mean that arrival is a good movie. It's only the least shit Tlj is the worst. Yeah, like panther's the second arrival is the third, but they're all bad Here you go The creative desk the creator of dead space had a 30 minute interview that was released on youtube You should watch it and play you should play action. Yeah, I I actually did watch that That interview did you mauler? I have not seen that. Is it good? I'll have to yeah I'll have to link it to you. It's the original creator dead space and he's just like talking about how Like all the creative decisions he made going into it And the top comment is like this I feel sorry for this guy. EA killed his baby and it's like, yeah Poor guy Um, I always look forward to your streams more power to you guys. I'm also glad to see wow back Wow weekend warrior rather than Weekend warrior. Yeah Okay, well, yeah, no cool. Thank you and and of course it is nice to have him here. Are you here? He's just left temporarily. Hello Hello, yeah, I'm here. That was weird. Well, we are at the point where we're pretty much the end of the stream Um without and our guest this week was actually weekend warrior. It wasn't rags. That was a ruse. Uh I don't know how dare you how dare you take away rags as guest spa this whole time. I've been making a voice Oh, sorry one more thoughts on the iron giant I haven't watched it. I haven't watched it since I was a kid, but I remember liking it That was uh, that was actually my stripper name back in the day I remember it kind of weird being kind of weird that they decided to bring a nuke to this random town in the middle of nowhere Miss remembering it since I haven't seen it since I was like seven so But I remember liking it otherwise Well, um, I was gonna say a weekend warrior Would you like to give a little bit of a talk about your channel? I'm gonna post it now in the chat so you guys can find the link directly to him. But what do you do? I talk about games and movies Uh, I got I got a series going on about mass effect andromeda and people don't realize how bad it is. So I'm just Annihilating it. I also did do in the service Thank you. I am also I also did a review on suicide squad and batman versus superman So check it out. Those are two real bad ones Did you thought the review is just the movies? Did you like those movies weekend warrior? Were they good? Yes, very good find out in the review it's gonna be very very very very good Wonderful. Um, yeah, thank you for coming on. It was wonderful. Thank you for having me. Did you enjoy Understanding the majesty of downward thrust Of course, I enjoyed his videos before by the way Uh, I just know their meme status, but I didn't really like Sit down. Yeah, because I was gonna say you probably know the thumbnails, right? Like yeah, yeah the meme thumbnails So that yeah, so now you know what it's like to watch one of his videos So when you find out that they like get trend digging stuff you might be like, um Seems strange Very odd Um, but yeah, I I think that's around about it. So thank you all for the very generous donations Very much appreciated. Um, thank you guys for for coming on all three of you And the uh the chat for keeping his company and of course the fucking crazy amounts of Art and the meme the memes are amazing. I'm genuinely considering never changing my profile picture from us This is too perfect. I love it. Do you prefer that to the pirate one? Uh, yeah, because this one's like He just he just looks he likes happy and sad at the same time and I really like that a little bit to it And it's just so it's so perfect. It looks exactly like him even gets his girly eyes there It's it's wonderful. I love it Beowyn you're you're majestic Yeah, I think we should say a big thanks to um Yeah, the crazy good artists who create all like this just like infinitely mable stuff and he A bigger thanks to tonal bloke himself. Thank you for providing us with so much entertainment I'm assuming that's what these videos were meant for by the way He wrote them as a parody and then the people started picking them up legitimately and he was like, oh, no They don't get the joke, but we did man. We did We understood but an even bigger thanks to our lord and savior mr. Jared jessus, of course Oh, we're currently not in his favor Yeah, we're currently not in his favor Hopefully we can be redeemed. We can have our little jesus moment with jared and jared will be like I forgive you my sons Yes, um, but that's it. So thank you all for for everything and uh, goodbye everyone Goodbye. Good night Good night and good luck Wow, Rack didn't say anything I don't want to say anything. I don't think that they deserve quite frankly final parting words from me. I I think that um I you know, I don't even know it's been so long. It has been five almost six hours