 Relay like it's a big store with like ropes and and The salmon ladder is if you ever watch American Ninja Warrior It's the thing where they have the bar and they have to they have to like pull it up on to the next rung But they're dangling from it So that you have to literally force it with your entire torso and your shoulder muscle lift to the next one Then pull yourself up and yeah green arrow uses it a lot on green You know just imagine a dog version of that I've been looking up what tenterhooks means tenterhooks You know as people say I'm on tenterhooks. Yeah, no, I've no one's ever heard that Really, okay Like you've never heard someone say like oh, I'm on tenterhooks to mean like I'm full of suspense. No, no Really Scott? I always thought it was tender, right? Tenderhooks not actually not it's spelled tenter, but a lot of people think it's tender This is your because you're yeah, you're you're in suspense. I'm tenderly waiting I we for this podcast I produce unfinished biz we Interviewed the former CEO of Cliff bar this guy named Kevin Cleary recently who was on American Ninja Warrior Really? Yes, it was just and it was like in this aside that he like threw in there kind of at the end of the interview We were like what wait back up. What are you talking about? Like did it make it on TV? And he's like, yeah, yeah briefly. I didn't do very well, but you know So then that's like all we cared about really Cliff are great, you know much success tell us more about an American Ninja Warrior Was it really hard? Apparently it is Well is a wooden frame Used to hang woolen or linen cloth and the hooks are what you hang the cloth off of And they were very common in around woolen mills hundreds of years ago How about that? Yeah, we only had We only had fleece we didn't really have real wool. That's how you hang your tinter you put them on the hooks Who's we didn't have real wool? I'm pretty sure you had access to wool Just More than a hundred years ago in areas where there were wool There were tenters and there were hooks and that's where that phrase comes from and you're like we only had fleece But no one was talking about you we were saying hundreds of years ago there were places with woolen woolen mills I wore plenty of wool growing up. I actually developed an allergy to it So now I don't fancier than wool. Isn't that like I thought fleece is just synthetic. I think so No fleece fleece is actually there is synthetic fleece, but fleece is a real thing Yeah, it's what I get ripped off at the car dealership. I've been fleece another Bicolor It's a co-product of the sheep, right? There's a part of the sheep That's the fleece of wool shorn from a sheep. Yeah I always thought of it as just a synthetic nice soft material cream of the wool. It's like My favorite for cereal in the 80s cream. So what's what's the what's the lanolin not to be confused with cream of After we do daily tech news show Oh that yarn We only had bread No cream of fleas in my house Oh cream of fleece Get you going please I was checking it. Okay, I Putting in the name and We are about to record Roger. Are you ready to record? Uh, yes already recording. Okay. Well, then here we go Carlene Kelly has supported independent tech news directly for five years be like Carlene become a DTNs member at patreon.com slash DTNs This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday, May 8th 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane Salt Lake City. I'm Scott Johnson and from cloudy gray overcats Guys, I'm Roger Chang the shows producer. Yeah, he lives in the cloud folks That's our producer We are the best tech news team in baseball and we're here to tell you about Some interesting stuff including whether the apps you're using are making you think there's more crime when there's not But let's start with a few tech things you should know E scooter startup bird announced a new model called the bird one which unlike the current bird fleet is available for purchase It could also be rented bird scooters were originally made by Xiaomi and Segway 9 bot They tended to depreciate pretty quickly bird one has a bigger battery more durable frame At least the company says so and is designed to stay in circulation for at least 12 months pre-orders are open today And it's gonna cost you $1,299 Wait till somebody tries to take your scooter away from you when you buy one of these for yourself Yeah, so I have to see them litter the streets Amazon announced a new version of its outdoor security camera the blink x2 one or two. I can't say the right blink 182 the blink 182 on torn now No, it's the x x t2 it adds two-way talk improve motion sensing to reduce false alerts and promises two years of battery life on Just two double a's it's pretty good. It's available for pre-order in the US now shipping may 22nd for $90 It's coming to Canada this summer as well So am I Some Uber and Lyft drivers are logging off their apps and some are protesting in the streets against working conditions and pay the protests come in advance of Uber stock IPO on Friday Protests started in Sydney and Melbourne continue in London, Nigeria, South Africa several US cities and elsewhere Uber and Lyft drivers are classified as contractors, which means Uber does not have to provide benefits I have to say the pictures I've seen of the protest have not made them seem overwhelming But there are people out on the streets Intel CEO Bob Swan said Wednesday that Intel will launch its 7 nanometer chip products by 2021 Intel's 10 nanometer chips were delayed, but should launch later this year Alright, let's talk a little more about Some of the Google announcements still coming out of IO particularly sky you've got one about chrome Yeah, Google continued with announcements well after its IO keynote ended that would have been on Tuesday yesterday including a new initiative Enhancing privacy on chrome the changes are at the developer level to start as they often are Only sites that originally set a cookie will be able to access it and third-party cookies Will have to identify themselves for the browser to allow them Making it easier for users settings to block them and clear them Google may also only allow cross-site cookies if they are encrypted over SSL Google is giving developers a few years to adapt Google will also launch the extension in the coming months That lets users see who is behind the ads that you see in your browser and what led to them being displayed I I like this. Uh, it's it's a it's actually an improvement on what microsoft's doing with the edge browser Where they're going to give you multiple settings. This is this is actually requiring developers To use the to use a particular feature in order to keep the cookies From being used across site without your knowledge. So the the same site Feature which has been around forever is basically they're going to be enforced in chrome that that is very interesting And another example of of google putting in place some efforts to protect privacy also as a user I I love the idea of being able to see Uh, where the ads are coming from and how would I got initiated because sometimes that's still surprising Um, there's there's extensions now in some browsers that do similar things But sometimes you'll find out a thing came from a place and you're like, whoa I don't know if I want to go to that site anymore. Just because I don't trust this Originating url or whatever. So that's that's good On the subject of privacy a few folks have noted how google and facebook tackled the issue at io and f8 Which happened last week pretty differently mark zuckerberg said the future is private Soon darker chai said the present is private Probably was not an accident with google leaning into several products that are ready to ship or ready to demo facebook's privacy commitments have been accused by some of being More like vague pr tactics to encourage users to keep sharing their data and keep regulators off facebook's back Zuck said that messenger and instagram direct would both become encrypted But we haven't really gotten a timeline from the company yet already announced features like clear history And facebook's data transfer project didn't get any f8 stage time even though they've both been Introduced some time ago Yeah, we uh, we we didn't really talk about it or we didn't you know shine a light on it yesterday when we talked about the announcements but uh maps getting an incognito mode search getting an incognito mode uh the The google assistant going uh being able to be used in airplane mode on your device I know I was kind of shying google for not emphasizing the privacy aspect of that more, but it is there Uh google actually launched or put products into demo That are protecting privacy and not gonna let them off the hook They certainly could do more but compared to f8 where they said we will uh eventually encrypt this end to end We will eventually do this and do that Uh, it it it is quite a stark contrast Well, I'm old enough to remember and i'm not going to go find the actual quote like a professional or anything but I remember hearing various interviews or moments where zuckerberg talked about how openness and sort of just everybody knowing Everybody and That was the future we were heading toward that society wouldn't care these sorts of issues and obviously some of that stuff is blown back Um, so it's interesting to see Them not scramble, but you know say things like the future is about privacy or the future is private but Not be able to do that on a dime. I mean they're they're they're a company that for time was celebrating the fact that everybody And now they gotta kind of change direction. So I don't know. It just feels like it was got a head start Yeah, your connection broke up there for those years Yeah, uh, well, uh Maybe having a problem on your end then I apologize for that. But your point is well taken, right? Google, uh, even putting out a nest commitment to privacy in the home Uh for its cameras its home sensors its wi-fi data saying we will be transparent about the data we collect We will never sell your personal information to anyone. We will empower you to review move or delete your data That that's not the same as actually doing it, but at least Putting it up front saying this is what we're committed to whereas that's kind of all facebook did sarah Yeah, and and I think what what the the sticking point is To have and not just mark zuckerberg, but facebook executives in general the company's sort of stance is You you don't realize how serious we are about this. We're really serious about changing the culture and and making sure that you trust us and Okay, well, you can either decide to believe that or not But putting it up against a company like google Which does seem to be backing up a lot of claims with and here's this product We're shipping today where it's now available or it's going to be available on the state It is very easy then to look back at facebook and be like well, where where are all your launch dates? yeah, uh and and I I granted uh Like the fact that that facebook did launch some things to allow you to talk More privately in other words, you know the sort of not in the public square But but in the living room sort of stuff But that's not the same as what google's doing where they're adding, you know tls 1.3 support Uh with with with their with their android q operating system Facebook doesn't make an operating system, right, but uh, this is this is different. Uh, this is this is This is again, not to let google off the hook and say oh, they've solved everything and there's no more problems with them But they are at least making tangible efforts you can point to and audit or as facebook mostly is making promises All right, uh, let's talk about a security breach. Why not? Mosab Hussein a security researcher at dubai based cyber security firm spider silk discovered coding project stored on a Git lab instance by samsung engineers were set to public That meant anyone who knew where to look could access the code The instance included source code private certificates and secret keys for several internal projects Including samsung smart things and some bixby services One project included credentials to access an aws account and more than 100 amazon s3 storage buckets Hussein reported the findings to samsung on april 10th The company began revoking credentials and samsung says it has not found evidence that any external access occurred But continues to investigate now it's tempting to want to just go kick a samsung in the gut For this and say why did you let this happen? What do you how how are you responsible? Are you? But this is a good thing. This is for for us on this end if you don't want to punish samsung This is a good story. This is a story of a white hat hacker Discovering a problem letting a company know and the company's starting to fix it. That's good We want that to happen You know if you're if you've been around this industry at all, you know breaches are going to occur problems are going to occur The second part of this is it's bringing to light this fact that developers need to change their culture at multiple companies And that's why i'm like don't go kicking samsung too hard for this because they are not alone. There was a Person i was talking to recently who worked for a company. I'm not going to name the person or the company Who said that they had requested access to some data for their job and were given access to an entire server And they were like I didn't need all of that I had access to way more information than I needed But you know what it was just easier to give me access to everything and that's why this stuff happens It was just easier to market public because then you didn't have to bother processing requests for people to have access You can't do that anymore. You you have to start with security not at it later when it's discovered to be a problem Yes, so really it's it's more of a okay. Well for the people who build and manage these sorts of things How many of them will say you know what? I need to be more responsible and go the extra mile and give that person a small piece of access to this server So that nothing bad happens and and not everybody's gonna do that It needs to start from the top it needs to start with cto's it needs to start with uh department leaders saying You know what security is real important. We can't skimp on that anymore. I know it makes your job harder I know it makes things take more time. I know it slows things down sometimes But it will be worth it in the end you have to do it Well 10 cent, how do I sound? All right, 10 cent has decided not to publish player unknowns battlegrounds aka pub g For all you gamers out there in china As it cannot get a license from the government to collect revenue from the game 10 cent is reportedly moving pub g users to a similar title Helping jingling. Sorry jing ying or elite force for peace the game is described as a quote tribute to the people's liberation army Air force and is approved for monetization It has similar gameplay background of graphic design to pub g but is less violent players for instance do not bleed uh china renaissance estimates pub g had around 70 million players in china it's an interesting story because uh china has long had much more stringent controls uh on video games and content that people can access within the nation and uh One of the more recent and notable examples for me Anyway was when world of warcraft debuted in that country was a very important market for blizzard activision to get into um one of the demands of change was you couldn't have any skeletal Imagery so if the undead were in the game even though there are heroic characters where their elbows or their knees would show Bones here in america and other territories you could not do it in china So they made them remove all of that so there's a lot of that kind of thing Uh for example when your your character dies in america There's a pile of bones where you weren't swer in china. There is a little gravestone instead So that's not unusual. What's unusual here is This is more about uh pub g and it's and it's violence But also it's addiction qualities as as talked about by the government. They don't like addictive games So games that are based on the battle royale game uh type like this and like fortnight Are huge huge influences and they are very wary of those So I would expect more announcements like this and more and more of these games are going to have to I don't know remold themselves to be more like paintball and less like actual shooting people in a military type simulator I mean elite force for peace if it's as as like fortnight as or like pub g as it sounds, uh Would be pretty addicting too. Wouldn't it in theory? I mean the addiction factor may lessen Maybe there's just a balance they have to strike of okay. Well, it's super addicting But everything's cartoony and fun and whimsical and nobody's really bleeding So that's that's enough for us to be okay with it But the addiction is the big is the big reason china is cracking down Because you can change the guns to be cartoony that that's true What surprises me is that other games haven't had the same level of addiction scrutiny because there are plenty of games Thousands of different titles that are popular in china and in the in in that entire region That you could qualify as highly addictive But these are the ones getting the attention. So I don't know why that is except I feel like there's a balance between the violence and the addiction I don't know where that is Twitter user walking cat Which is a great username discovered links to the mac os versions of microsoft's edge browser That's the one that's built on chromium from valid microsoft servers The links are to the weekly dev version in the daily canary build This is earlier than expected for the public but microsoft hasn't changed the links least not yet microsoft has been working on keyboard shortcuts the mac look and feel and touch bar support the privacy controls and collection functions Announced at build aren't in this version yet. However tom and scott. I know both of you have been playing around with it already Yeah, in fact, I have been reading all of my stories off of it using at the dock I logged into patreon earlier with it. I did some some google stuff on it It feels like chrome and when you set it up it pulls in all your chrome bookmarks pulls in your chrome history for you You can log into microsoft not chrome if you want to sync across different versions of your edge browser Which I did quite nicely, but yeah It uh, it's it's fast And I know I fall in love with new browsers too easily Anybody who's followed me across shows for years probably knows this Vivaldi forever, but yeah, I Really like it so far scott I liked vivaldi a lot when it came out as well, but then vivaldi got heavy and weird So I I Just one with the same kind of like I know that it's gonna get chubby. It just these just do Um, they all do but I'm very excited about it for the same reasons I see a brand new browser and I think oh, what are we doing different here? And I like the the unloading is really cool. They just convert all that stuff immediately You don't have to go on some option and say import all my crap It just does it and you approve it, of course But you know just that all felt very easy, but it's so fast at this stage It's so screaming fast that it makes me want to use it all the time But there's a little piece in the back of my head that knows that you know six months from now It's gonna feel right slower. See I'm sort of on the other side of all of this I'm a chrome user chrome is constantly bogging down my system. In fact when I have to restart my computer It's almost always because chrome has just I also have like 500 tabs open at any time But that's the way I work and I wonder why I stick with it when there are so many other options Or at least a good five other options Yeah, well, you know firefox is a better browser these days than chrome as well Uh, but there are things in chrome that just lock you in certain extensions certain google features Yes, uh, I will say though that edge seems much more compelling In that way that it it feels like chrome and I even was able to put the last pass extension on so, um I don't know. Uh, it's uh We've got a new contender Brad and Scott and I are you know midlife. So this may be just our midlife crisis, you know I want to take a shiny new browser out for a spin, but Maybe we're we're considered edge cases Hey, that was that was Uh, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com A recode story from ronnie mola and hat tip to ronnie. I've been using a lot of his stories lately Do doing really good work there Is called the rise of fear-based social media like next door citizen and now amazon's neighbors It starts this article does with the fact that violent crime in the united states fell 49 percent between 1993 and 2017 and that's not cherry picking either It's a big consistent drop if you look at the graph across that entire range Property crime rates fell by 50 to 69 percent depending on who's estimating it But it's still a nice steep consistent decline between 1993 and 2017 However, if you ask people Whether there's more crime in the u.s than a year ago you get a flat line 68 percent of people asked in 2017 said yeah, there's more crime in the u.s than a year ago Even though there that's not the case and it's been like that forever. In fact, it's slightly increased Since the early 2000s Now a lot of this can be affected by geographic variation For instance st. Louis has a higher murder rate than chicago But if you're living st. Louis and you see the chicago being touted as oh, it's the the worst for murder and you're like Wow, it's bad there. It's even worse here. You know that can affect your perceptions There's also a lack of a clearance rate With the police they're not able to solve crimes and so that may make people feel like there's more crime Because they reported say a stolen car and it never gets solved In the past coverage of crime on television often led to this misperception. There's been a lot of studies about that You watch the local news They do a lot of crime stories because boy if it bleeds it leads and then you start to feel like there's more Crime because you're seeing it every day. You're seeing it on your television Well now ronnie mola suggests that apps like next door citizen and amazon ring's neighbors app are feeding that misperception now For instance next door often has your neighbors reporting suspicious characters in the neighborhood or actual crimes in the neighborhood constantly in your feed The app citizen actually encourages users to report crimes in progress and band together To prevent crimes citizen used to be called vigilante if that gives you any hint on where they're coming from Uh and rings neighbors app lets you share alerts from your ring doorbell Videos it's like some person is hanging out on your porch or maybe maybe somebody taking a package That gets shared around and amazon's actually hiring an editor to create local crime reports out of these alerts all of this stuff Makes it feel like there's more crime than there is because you're experiencing it multiple times on these apps Uh people reported as suspicious or more often than not Uh not of the same ethnicity as the dominant race in the neighborhood and that usually means non-white There's no evidence that these apps make you safer But they can raise your stress level uh Pamela Rutledge director of media psychology at the research center At the media psychology research center told recode essentially using these apps. You're elevating your stress level There's buckets of research that talks about the dangers of stress from high blood pressure to decrease mental health And that's something that should be studied So solutions in mola's article Media literacy being more mindful when reading things things you hear about when talking about fake news in other contexts are suggested Maybe reduce the radius of the reporting you see in these apps and companies should help reduce emphasis of unverified reports and call out Things as unimportant when they are unimportant Whether companies will do that or not a whole different thing But sarah i found this fascinating that that we are no longer getting our perceptions of crime from local news Uh, but now we're getting in from our neighbors. Yeah next door I I started using next door when I still lived in san francisco and I lived in a neighborhood that was crime ridden That's just sort of it was just it was a bit of a rough rough few blocks that I lived in And next door became almost untenable because it was just bad news all the time some of it was helpful But a lot of it was yeah, it was fear mongering and and some unfair stuff being said I I actually just never changed it because I had gotten sick of it until Yesterday so the timing is great here I'm now in the next door area of my current neighborhood and I found And there's still there's some complaining and and this is something that people almost laugh about next door about now It's like oh, yeah, that's where people go to complain about crime and you know spy on their neighbors and unfairly try to get people arrested My neighborhood now is much more kid-centric And so there's a lot more family kind of community kid stuff that I'm seeing where I'm like, oh, wow, this is like a Actual like community next door. I never really had that in my neighborhood before there was nothing of the sort So in a way, I'm sort of invigorated to start using it again And maybe I don't know meet some of my neighbors at the same time I this feels just like The the the way that people complain about social networks, too. It's like there's so much fake news being shared now It's because it's a tool. I mean, it's not as if people didn't share stuff like this before You might sit on your porch and be part of neighborhood watch and be nosy and and And share the same kind of information that community based services and platforms are sharing now It's just on a larger scale Yeah, it'd be a real hoot at the end of all this we study this a hundred years from now and find out that While it raised everyone's stress levels and everyone started dying on average earlier because of all of this But it was actually contributing to the lower crime rate This isn't saying that but it would be interesting to know that if that's the case I had this weird relationship with next door here every time I check in there It's weirdly too nice like way over nice like people are like, hey, I found a dog on the road I'm not sure his tags are missing. So I don't know what he goes by or anything But if you go, I think that that's not like weirdly nice. That's just like it's just nice That's a good person. Yeah, that's all it is. It's all that constantly. It's people saying I made an extra batch of cookies I don't have anywhere to take them. We're not going to eat all these anybody within the range of this street Want to come get some free cookies like that kind of stuff constantly no one ever talks about crime I guess it causes you to have a misperception of how nice people are because yeah Yeah, like there's probably something dirty going down and I don't know it because next door is being You know, so kind of goes both ways I You know, I follow that next door twitter account that like only tracks the funny stuff or the ridiculous stuff like probably everybody does but Uh, I I feel like part of the drop in crime and whatever is knowledge It's it's it's us knowing and being more connected and all of that But at the end of the day if we're all super stressed because we think everything we read is bad Uh, and it's a misperception. That's not good either So I nobody's got any good answers for this today, but it's pretty fascinating how this stuff can go That's why I think it needs to be studied Find out like what effect is it actually having? What are the parts that are making things better? Like you're saying Scott there might be and then as as as mola suggested in the article De-emphasize the stuff that isn't the first thing I did when I installed a ring doorbell Was turn off the neighborhood alerts because Eileen my wife looked at it and said oh my gosh There's so much crime. I'm like no, there's not that's just People who turned on their alerts and anything that happens makes it seem like that Like we're we're not going to pay any attention to that and we didn't but yeah My next door is kittens in need of a foster home for the week and teeth cleaning for dogs any suggestions Anyone wants the storage bin like it all depends on where you where you live and who's in your neighborhood I I think and not just next door But but many of the the similar tools and I'll check out amazon citizen eventually I think in in theory. They're really great It's people that are not so great sometimes, you know, so I I I find it hard to To blame the platform at times and I also want free cookies. So Salt Lake City people When you moved to my neighborhood I'll let you right in Thanks to everybody who participates in our sub reddits You're probably all very nice neighbors as well submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show reddit.com Or also on facebook facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show. Let's check out the mailbag Let's do it. Tim magnuson wrote in and said Morning best team in tech baseball. Thank you, tim Said I wanted to point out another reason not to use facebook a lot as if we needed one He says really I listened and shared a tune from a 1974 album three and a half years ago This is something that he shared on facebook over three years ago Woke up to this in my feet And he screenshots a notice from facebook that says your post goes against our community standards on nudity or sexual activity It's a link to a youtube video of a track from a from led zeppelin's houses of the holy Album which shows the album art. So not only was this Not flagged correctly, but quite old Yeah, and and the album art on houses of the holy does show what looks like Naked people crawling on rocks, but they're they're not Frontal nudity pretty well known. Yeah, it's a really well known album cover I think it's the cliffs of mower in in ireland. It's a it's a historical site that you can go visit there So, yeah, uh, that's uh, that's that's great. Now the same mistakes that are made by youtube's bot are coming to facebook Yay Hey Well, thanks for the heads up tim. Uh, keep him coming But hopefully this doesn't happen to you again Also, thanks to scott johnson for being with us scott besides your nice next door neighbors. What's been going on? Well, I was just noticing somebody's doing some testing on what they call microblading So they need some models up the road here for some microblading, which I guess is just tattooing your eyebrows So hey, I've got a bug. I got my afternoon carved out. I don't know about you guys Anyway, uh, there's a lot of cool things happening on my side of the uh, not pond really I'm not that far from you guys But if you want to find out exactly what i'm doing you can go over to frogpants.com It will lead you to everything all roads lead to what i'm doing At frogpants.com and if you want to chat with me on twitter you can find me there at scott johnson Uh, apparently green dog dental is the solution for the dog teeth cleaning that I was mentioning earlier So that's just in on next door. Um, thank you everyone who supports the show If you didn't know already there are all kinds of perks to being a member of daily tech news show You can get special episodes. 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Yeah, micro blading is like a Well, everything I'm reading here says it's it's like eyebrow tattoos or eyebrow replacement or filling them in or something Oh because micro needling is like, uh, it's supposed to You know, it's like a threading new Maybe it's micro threading it's micro something. Yeah, it's supposed to help aging or something like that. I don't know Oh, oh coyote spotted Uh, oh within the fenced part of someone's property. She thought it was a dog at first just a few All right, I did I finally found a controversial one says who has detailed information on the odor Is there any more context he says before we were house hunting no one told us about this aroma Is it getting better? Is there any funding to fix who is the center of information on the subject? Did you write you should write back and say waste management Area well, we don't live very close to any kind of dump We have a lake here full of ducks and geese that in the late summer gets kind of reeky just because they're ducks and geese But I think this and then all these replies seem to indicate this person may just be smelling themselves or something Nobody knows where it's coming from Where's this odor? It's just always near me. It's always where I'm walking everywhere I go Even when I drive to work 30 minutes away. It follows me. That's the first one. I found like that. Okay, this just in here is the coyote Uh picture of the coyote running down the street. I got a bunch of them in my neighborhood I just saw one the other day in plain plain daylight I had one little anything to us I had one run past me and the only thing that I noticed about it is they don't make any noise Injured baby bird. Oh We saw a raccoon last night Which I'm used to having grown up in the country, but I have not never seen one in LA before the gun buyback is saturday Not a miss gun buyback if you want to nice tom you can take your uh Berenger, whatever. Hell yeah Yeah, well, um I have that Your tom berenger gun that you have What was he he was the he was the the the hitcher, right? Was he the hitcher? No, that was um, you're thinking of uh, tomasie. Howl No, no, you're thinking of uh, rutger howler rutger howlers. Oh Yeah, that movie was so good and then they remade it and it became horrible. Yeah, that deserves better Someday we'll get something better. I will say on my next door real quick. You know the weird house that I've been I've been studying uh Somebody is complaining about that house not me But I read about it this morning and I I can tell by the there are certain tell tale Ways that was described that I'm like, uh, huh The neighbors don't like that house either. Well, I don't actually have a problem with it I'm just sort of fascinated by what's going on in there, right Title wise we have next door vigilantes Uh chromium on the edge Sarah wants free cookies Posho, yeah, that's our title every day our scott's neighbors too nice Mm-hmm Samsung's baby is breach. Oh man Okay, uh payment unknown battleground It's not bad. Uh next door vigilantes. I actually like that Maybe over promises, but I like it. You live next door to the arrow Cream of fleece is suggested for gdi All right, that's good. I like it All right, I've learned something the most controversial stuff is in the old people area there There's a retirement community near here. They're awesome, man Postman did not pick up my taxes before the 15th. I smell a conspiracy. Did anyone else not have their taxes picked up? Let's start a movement. Yes. It must be a conspiracy Wait, I don't see an old people area that that feels like it's prejudicial to have an old people area It's only because I know it is one. Oh People who are retirees you have to be a certain age to even go there. It's super. You have to You know that this particular Neighborhood area. Yes. Yeah. Oh because they have it listed. They they have, you know Guy's name what part of the little place you're in and then the city And they're all just here in south jordan. So you get to see the little place they're in Oh, oh stolen bike finally found one. It's all like that's no good. Sorry. Sorry about your stolen bike There are uh, there are Excuse me some hiking trails around here And there's uh, I mean, I don't know any of them. So I don't know if they're they'd be fun to hike with but There's a pretty good seems to be community of my immediate neighbors who are like getting together and hiking I'm like, so that's what I like this for Yeah, of course if you want a little bit more of a community aspect to your life and and and actually get to know people It's like it's a good tool. It's how you use it Barbecue street street food and yeah, you know, it's next door is essentially just that cork border that You know, like when you used to have like a community like center or something people would post like notices and stuff Yeah, the only difference rogers. Nobody would go up to that board and put a big poster that says Suspicious black man scene walking past my yard. It like this is they would use they would use different descriptors Right. No, but no, I think scott's right. You didn't put up that kind of thing on the community cork board It was it was not it was not done. It was not okay Whereas on next door somehow it's okay to just call everyone who wears a hoodie There's a level of anonymity I mean if somebody didn't like what I posted on next door, they know what street I live on But they don't know where my front door is and that's by design. I think it's the effort, right? I think roger nailed it Having to print out the flyer means you have more time to consider like Oh, do I really want to put this picture on here? Is this fair? Also, other people see it as you're getting it ready to put on there like wait, is that okay? Whereas the next door post it done It was easy and it's out there and then people may complain about what you put up there But it's already up. We know it's what the irony is that Again, I switched over to my new neighborhood on next door yesterday and the reason I did Was because somebody had put a bunch of flyers on telephone pools around here Telling us to join the next door community And then had that, you know, the name of the neighborhood and I was like IRL redirect like hey, we're no longer posting the information at this address I would like to meet that person. I would like to know if that person is on the paranoid Next door ha ha side or just like wants to bake me some cookies Maybe both and you would like them to bake you some cookies. I'm sure very much would I don't even really like cookies that much, but if they're free I want them Really good for unloading stuff. You don't want Like I did that yesterday and loaded a giant goldfish Well, not that I didn't want it. It's just I couldn't keep it anymore The wider point I will pull out of this discussion is we're all looking at next door and going actually Yeah, there's not that much crime granted neighborhoods change, you know neighborhoods vary, but When you look at next door every day And you see a crime every so often It starts to make it feel like there's more crime even though it's the minority of what you're seeing on next door Yeah And and so and so that neighbor's app from amazon's ring Is even worse because everything there is like oh alert something bad happened at my ring doorbell And you look at that map and it's like oh my gosh, it's happening everywhere Some of those are months and months old the companies do need to do a better job Of figuring out like okay, what are the productive uses of this technology and what aren't and then adapt accordingly It's no different than fake news Which is let's find out what effect this stuff has and then mitigate it So that's a human foible like if you see a bunch of comments and 90 percent of them are positive Why do we fixate so much on the one guy who didn't like exactly? I I mean I I buy the fact that we're evolved to look for threats That's what kept us alive in the early parts of of humanity's history, right? Is like oh if we always thought a tiger might be nearby Then we made sure to stay away from tigers and we lived over simplifying it, but that's not so productive now Nothing is a tiger It's also kind of what drives you to post something and I've posted I mean not a ton of negative Yelp reviews But that a negative experience would drive me to a review much more than a positive one because the positive one You're just like that went well if it was negative you're like, well my day is ruined and people should I'm gonna do something about it. Yeah That's true. Well, you know things like, you know the doorbell I mean what else are you gonna you're gonna list like all sorts of like oh summer camp for kids half off I mean, it's not gonna be something the doorbells when we're like you really need to have a verified aspect of it, right? That that's just an irresponsible use of the doorbell data Because all you're gonna get is 90 false positives It's just it's just not useful but people love it because like oh what's happening I want to see oh look there's the suspicious person in a hoodie standing on the sidewalk outside of that person's house I'm gonna keep an eye out for him. Well, it turns out it was me Okay, I was wearing a hoodie walking ray that day, but I had a dangerous dog with me Like this Not that that happened. I'm just making that up You know, what's weird is there was a crime that happened across from me and it never showed up on next door Roger Well, you know that the police looked into it and unfortunately it was it was more of a door-to-door scam Or because you're doing a lot of construction Some people went to my neighbor across the street and posed as workers and say we need to see your gas line It's very important. And so he's showing them to the back of the house Some other guys came in and basically took a bunch of stuff and left and see that's the kind of thing that I think would actually make be beneficial to scott's point, right? Like if if we had a good system where we knew that posting that kind of thing didn't make people more stressed out It's beneficial to know like hey if you're having construction done here's something you might want to be on the lookout for Yeah, the only reason I know about it is because the foreman came over and talked to me Like the jossite form is like oh you can be careful. There's some guys posing as us And we're we're not going to knock on your door asking for that stuff And he's doing what I would just suggested just you know, irl to to people around So people aren't very good indicators It's it's weird because it's a version of telephone But it's like a 21st century of it and it's not it's just it's not any better Than kind of going down the grapevine because people tend to embellish Did you hear about that construction site where someone stole an entire house roger was telling me about it? I know Watch your house might be gone. Apparently they stole like three houses. I think And you know the last the only time I was The only time I was reading next door right now The only time I was steamed about crime in san francisco was Every so often in san francisco There would be a string of car break-ins That was every three or four months and it would not just be the city It would happen in different areas of the bay area And the police all the police were trying to figure out was just a basically a roving gang But you could always tell when something happened because there would be a long light at the The glass auto repair shop Just a line of people because that was that time of the year It's annoying I lost posted. I just posted my first question on next door just for fun Anybody got cookies? Is that what you're? I'm hungry The subject is big goose at the lake and I said and this is actually true I said there's a goose that has been at the lake for years who looks totally different compared to all the other geese dark coloring Etc Seems to roll with a couple of duck friends and get a little aggressive sometimes with runners Has anyone seen him this year anyone know where this guy is? Stupid and trivial, but I haven't seen this goose. I always see every year. So yeah, I posted that question Are you somewhat worried about how you could start about the goose? Yeah Well, he has a name. I named him Mendoza. I think he's out to get me every time I see him. He hisses and like Well, that goose do that they hiss at everyone. So yeah, but this one is Mendoza someone who's wronged you in your life No, I just like the name because it sounds like a Hard boiled like criminal boss kind of guy because we kind of put a picture with like a gold chain and a bunch of Minions and a couple of lady geese falling around like I've got a whole stereotype You know when you say minions the first thing that pops into my mind is the little yellow guys from Because you got a little girl that's why I have a little girl and universal studios is like a 20 minute drive away from my house And they have a big minions Portion of the park In goo in goose to you scott. This is my like buddy. Stay away I hope I get a little something going back and forth with somebody. It'd be great The lake near my house Otis mostly lives in harmony with there's ducks and geese and some weird birds that I can't identify and For the most part, you know, they kind of have hissed a little bit But they but they're little baby geese gosleons They're just like, I don't know everybody had baby geese and now the geese are really Like they're protective. Yeah, and so it's like when I see them We have to go all the way around or just like leave the lake all together because I don't want to find out what happens Django was a chill dog most of the time But when we would walk her around lake merit in oakland where there are tons of geese The geese would hiss at her and she would just be like, oh, no I am not taking that from you and she would try to get at them. Yeah Yeah, there was there's Otis is mostly afraid of everything but I'm like, I just don't If yeah, if a mommy or daddy goose goes after I just don't I just don't want to find out No, no tom tom buried the lead. You had a lake called lake merit. Was it named after family and stuff? No, no, it's uh, lake merit is in downtown oakland. It's been there for years. No relation But I live near it I used to live near it And my my cousin came to visit and thought it was hilarious When she drove to my house and everything in the neighborhood was named merit this and merit that because of the lake You'd made quite a thing of yourself. Yeah No, exactly. Uh, well folks, uh, we've made quite a thing for you today. Thanks for watching the video and audio folks Please stick around. There is more where this came from. We promise hilarious