 Okay sure why not are we just patrons I remember did that last time holy cow wait there's so much more room for activities I know in the future we can actually like put stuff on the table and have it not crowd everything I know right like oh my gosh it's almost like we can have props now right I'm guessing you want that's just somewhere sure all right are you ready yeah we're the party yeah whatever you are everyone welcome to the Nintendo Prime podcast episode 107 it is also technically our road to E3 week 2 podcast I think the next one or the one coming up with a betting special one of these days yeah I don't know when it's coming it might be the next one I think because you know yeah I think I think because the one Thursday is when we're going out to the other be to the hotel we have to before that though I don't know yeah to the next week the week after and then we leave the one after we leave no next week's my son's birthday and his birthday's on the 30th we literally leave the week out no we don't that's okay it doesn't matter what matters we have next week and then there's what matters what matters is that this has now become the Eric podcast because he corrects me all the time that's like his number one rule on this whole thing and you must correct me all right it said welcome to my co-host on my left Mr. Eric Moore hello and I am Nathaniel Rumpeljant as always as you can see hey we have a new set it's pretty there's room there's a lot of room I feel bare and naked right now I'm so used to having so much stuff behind me that I'm gonna bump into and knock over right that's not the case right now that set is not gone it's just it's still there but it's for discussion videos and stuff which you could argue what's a podcast but a discussion right but you see this beauty of a table slash desk that we have here I'm not exactly sure how we're gonna take advantage of this giant space yet what is apparent is that we have a lot of space so yeah in the future we're probably have like our laptops available so you got some information in front of us because we have the space to do it now right without covering us so that's gonna be really cool not 100% sure if this camera angle is gonna say the same might come lower might be more straight on so you don't see such a long table in front of you I don't know okay we're playing around with it things are gonna kind of ebb and flow as I kind of figure out what is the best presentation style for this as an example am I gonna keep the mics coming out of here or am I gonna run them back straight up I don't know I won't know till I get an editing and I'm like God that looks weird feel like the flying bee yeah mighty ducks baby yeah all right um that be said it is our road to e3 and I guess we could start with one e3 topic and that would be the short floor plans yeah the short floor plans are mostly a relevant outside of just figuring out what companies are going to be at e3 with the booth and some people were wondering what was gonna happen with Sony space since Sony isn't there and well not a whole lot really happened yeah it was like five different booths took over their space some people were trying to convince me trying very hard to convince me that Nintendo's booth got bigger no but I actually looked at it their booth the reason that it looks bigger is because of what Sega did Sega moved their booth from just right of Nintendo's to where Ninjala was last year and then they also took over the space that had like those Nintendo games and stuff the accessories yet accessories so they basically took over that space and their space extends a little bit out past Nintendo's and that made everyone feel like oh Nintendo's booth is bigger if you actually look at the maps and you line it up with the doors Nintendo's booths the exact same size right and it's been the exact same size since we started attending in 2016 and who knows maybe it's been the exact same size forever we just weren't attending I don't know but bottom line it probably hasn't been the same size forever but the bottom line is that it's the same size as last year that doesn't necessarily tell you how they're gonna lay the booth out that doesn't tell you anything you don't know what is clear is that the main area the main giant square is usually where most of the games are so yeah I mean I we don't know how it's gonna lay out we don't know the theme we don't know anything but Nintendo's booth is the same Sega's booth is bigger that's interesting to note it it may not be it could just be because I was longer last year than yeah no it's bigger yeah that's saying yeah you're right because it was only what mainly they had a little theater the little theater where you could watch Total War oh yeah and then they had this then they had the small little section for Sonic and then and then and then no no no you're forgetting the entire section we didn't get to the Valkyrie Chronicles oh yeah and all but even that was dinky yeah that other day their booth was tiny this the one they have now is half the size of Nintendo's big area okay so they definitely are showing more or having more to play I don't know what it is seems not a Gracie and we'll have already been out so that's probably that part of it so I don't know I haven't paid enough attention to what's going on to Sega but like even Total War 3 Kingdoms like comes out I think before E3 so I have no idea what they're showing up but it's gonna be crazy I can't wait we're gonna be walking right by it and we'll play anything that's on switch so what's interesting though is the more and more I kept looking at the maps yeah you have the the West Hall in the East Hall South Hall South Hall whatever I don't remember West and South West and South right because that makes sense yeah so and there are the decent walk between the two yeah is yeah the hall that Nintendo's in all the time which I think is the West but then the South Hall has now kind of become the go-to hall I think like if you have a gamer pass you should be going to the South Hall like yeah go to Nintendo's booth when you decide to go it's gonna be packed lines no matter what so get your warp hat pys and go go then but well once you're done with that like go to the other hall that's where all of the big companies are like everyone is there but Sega and Nintendo so that's really where you want to go to try out the most games that doesn't mean that there isn't anything else in Nintendo's Hall that's worth it you guys will just call it Nintendo's Hall because let's be honest it's the only reason anyone's going in there right now probably I mean GameSpot took over a little space but GameSpot had a space before you know what I was weird though I didn't see IGN anywhere yeah you're right that is a little IGN's usually in that hall I wonder if they're moving over to the other left of work Sega is yeah and granted there are still some spaces that aren't claimed yet so maybe IGN's just late to the party this year or maybe IGN's not doing a stream this year from E3 I guess I didn't really pay attention IGN and what they have publicly said their coverage is gonna be like so maybe they're actually backing out of doing a live show at E3 I don't know that would be weird though for them to do that well GameSpot is still there because that means they're conceding that GameSpot could just own E3 and I don't think they're gonna do that and I checked the other hall the South Hall they didn't have a boot there either but again there were available places so yeah I don't know that's that's weird yeah so that that is what it is I you know for those that care about games media I guess maybe that matters to you and GameSpot's booth is decently big so and it's right across from Nintendo's it's not you can't miss it if you're going to the time like we'll see plenty of it the one thing I found kind of interesting was that there was an e-sports section too sure but there's an e-sports section last year was there and just in the other hall we didn't spend as much time yeah yeah but we'll be spending probably more time in the the shoot because based on the warp pipe pass and some things I'm hoping we could just be done with Nintendo's booth day one yeah and then after that then we're hitting everything else so Sega and then the other hall well I mean we'll go we're gonna be hitting accessory makers this year harder than last year and I'm actually gonna try to ask them hey can we like show off your product yeah switch like you know take it out of the case and like put it on film and talk about it yeah I'm hoping because I kind of want to add that to our our coverage this year because I think that even though Sony not be in there has nothing to do with how many switch games are available as long as Pokemon is available to play through warp pipe pass and I don't forget my badge ever yeah or you don't forget your badge yeah we're gonna fly through everything there like those people who try to be oh you don't really care about Mario maker that much so then you should just don't worry about playing it there and I do we're playing everything yeah exactly like it's happening it's not that hard play the only reason we didn't get Valkyrie Chronicles in last year was because I forgot my pass yeah and then the line was closed off so it's like well and then there was the one like rhythm game that we missed to which one is that one that was basically right inside the door to the left as you were walking into the West Hall there there was one like drumbeat game that we we never played I have no idea what you're talking about so yeah I'll just remember I don't remember what I don't remember the name of it we didn't but why don't remember playing it but I'm like I don't even remember it being there so it was like a drumming drum scene they have the college they have the college section back where they had those games you can show them up by college kids oh nice they had that last year to be with that we walked through there was like nothing for switch at the time it's all pretty much all PC but right but it was still pretty cool to see what they were sure I mean it's interesting but I got time for that right I mean I'm sure I have no no no if I have any extra time going over to Microsoft's this time that's true yeah it was like I've still haven't gone yeah it's actually like so very very true this year I want to actually go we might not have to do it on day two instead of day three yeah this is day three the hours are closed even earlier in the show floor is that being said yeah I mean there's all all the major third-party companies that you would expect to be there are there I think there was one that was there that wasn't there I think THQ Nordic is there this year that wasn't there last year so I don't know what they're gonna have shown off but that'll be interesting to see what they have going on what's what's kind of interesting just looking at the show floor layout in general is that outside of Sony it's almost like nothing's changed yeah which is I don't know I guess not surprising because is you I guess there was some concern if Sony backed over other people backing out and the answer is no at least not that we've seen like no oh well I am interested to see you there is a giant section where Sony used to be that's now the E3 gaming lounge and I don't know what that is that's new they didn't have that last year I checked the map so I'm like right I'm like what is that is that like just is that where you just go to sit yeah problem I could see but it's a gaming lounge so do you game do they have just is an e-sports well because they have an e-sports section yeah but that's usually whoever sanctioned at e-sports section I guess I might not be the ESA and then there's also like a little ESA thing which I guess that's probably them just trying to garner support for the ESA yeah because you know they're they did a video on them they're having some problems so I talked about it last week yep yeah so I think that in general the show floor layout looks pretty close to identical last year like Ubi sauce booth is the exact same size and again a quarter of it will be the just dance stage because it always is as long as we make it just dance you guarantee there'll be a quarter of their booth will be the just dancing right but why because it's like iconic at this point yeah like it just is it's just iconic it's one of those alright gamers get the courage to go up there one time and get their photo or video taken whatever it's fine it works out it will be interesting to see what else is available to play at switch that's not in the Nintendo right we're sure like what was signed young blood and do me turn all are going to be there I guarantee we'll be able to go to Bethesda's booth to play those like we did last time but I just I don't know what other third-party sports really coming so yeah hopefully we find out about a lot much stuff I didn't notice one thing this year that seems even bigger last year there seems to be more indie studios there okay granted they're always small little sections I was disappointed I did not see gung-ho anywhere no that does not mean in Jala won't be there it might be in Nintendo's booth maybe what I'm guessing it's not probably not and that sucks I was hoping for a new demo at least right I need to I don't care about the even care about the merch need to fix I just want to know the game still coming okay you're right but yeah it so that that was a little disappointing just because I was hoping to see it in Jala again but there's a lot more indie studios this year with a little thing booths which is cool we got we played so many like Gallic fighters that you whatever yeah yeah that was which was all right I mean I mean I have a review code for it sitting in my inbox and I still haven't touched I just don't have time to play as many games right now as I'm getting ready for E3 and I do a review per month so like I'm trying to focus on that one game per month kind of thing although the game I want to review this month is Sonic team racing but we'll see if that's the game I review it might just end up being whatever indie game code I have some money's a little tight because we're heading E3 yeah so I might not have like a spare 40 bucks to pick up Sonic but I will see we'll see what happens it's not the 21st yet maybe I'll get my refunds on my nanolites by then yeah yeah yeah so this lovely background there was supposed to be more going on me maybe next year maybe next year one step at a time right right all right anyways oh hey I just said a sentence come on with a little singing yeah a tune of a copyrighted song way to go so did you have a chance to look at the show floor I watched a little bit of your one video on it okay and yeah no I so I I was looking at it yeah it's the same setup as last year pretty much for Nintendo yeah the two separate ones I'm guessing the one on the because they have kind of the square one on the if you're looking at the picture they kind of had that big square one up on the right and then they can have a long rectangular one mm-hmm I'm guessing the warp pipe stuff is gonna be happening because the one square one was where smash was yeah yeah so I'm guessing the warp pipe stuff's probably gonna happen in that area guessing that's why I said guessing there's a layout's different every year so I don't know and then like the reserved off to the right that's like right symbol they have two little reserves actually they have that every year mm-hmm yeah I also saw that there's a reserved area above Nintendo's booth and I think that's just like last year where they're forming lines back there oh yeah I don't know what for though I kept thinking last year they formed it for smash right so if you didn't have a war pipe if you didn't I'm sorry if you didn't have a smash pass yep you were getting the lines back there and the lines went fast but but I'm like what game this year warrants the line Pokemon yeah I mean but then why would yeah I don't know I kept thinking I'm I'm not saying there's a lot of things there's so many games coming why would they need to have a line for one maybe it's just a line for the whole booth animal crossing it could just be a line for the whole because remember they did wind us back there when you wanted to go through Mario tennis no yeah yeah when you wanted to actually get into the yeah I want to get into the main booth area they didn't wind you back so maybe they're just planning for it to be there maybe yeah yeah yeah well one thing I will say is it when you got in the Mario tennis line it did move kind of quick I mean I say kind of quick you're still in line for an hour yeah but when you're used to standing in the Pokemon line for four and a half an hour is nothing right right you feel at least you're moving every ten minutes yeah right for sure sure oh man the general line steering like a relatively quickly but but but but see that's just the line to get into the is like how did it last that was the line to get into the booth right because basically the line would move as quickly as the Mario tennis aces demo went because they would pack as many people as they could into the main area after that because you would play you had you basically there was two lines to get into a three go play smash or get into the Pokemon line which is its own thing yep and then you had the general area and you would go Mario tennis aces you have made everyone was required to play that you get a set of pins at the end of it and then you can go into the general booth area well the general booth area was just games all over the place go get in line to play him so like the Starlink battle for Atlas line was the longest well yeah that cuz that one kind of took forever well the decent they gave you a decent demo yeah it was a good well it's a long demo yeah and then you know people would play in handheld and want to play in doctor mode what was interesting about that is we found out later we could just put the Ubisoft booth and there was no line for the switch there was no line for Starlink in general to be stopped we really could have just not had to worry about it but that is the key thing to remember for anyone who's going for the first time this year if there is a major third-party game in Nintendo's booth that is not exclusive to Nintendo and that third-party this is why you look at the map and that third-party has their own booth go to their own booth because the Nintendo thing will be the least played thing there because the people most the people going to those booths are going to PlayStation 4 Xbox PC they're not going there for Nintendo because all the Nintendo people are going to Nintendo's booth generally you can literally save a ton of like dude think about this you did like last year we just walked up and played Wolfenstein yes we did we walked up and played DBZ fighters yes yes we did like we just walked up and played them yep no lines yeah we're just like alright so so the thing is that has nothing to do with the switches popularity what it has to do is everyone who wants to play switch is no at Nintendo's booth it's or is such a long line that or is it more of a you don't really think of Nintendo switches being outside of Nintendo no I don't I don't even think that's it I think it's just think about it if you go to E3 to play switch where you go where you be lining up in Nintendo okay and then the lines are long yeah so next you know you're in there all day just you're in that the entire day that you're there yeah you're there doing that okay so the ones that aren't interested in that are PlayStation 4 and Sony fans and they're off you know and Xbox fans are all off doing their thing at all the other booths where all the Nintendo fans are still trying to get to the Nintendo booth all day long that's why that's the bottom line you could just that's why there's hardly anyone touching the there are some people touching but they're not that many people yeah like literally it's like a ghost town and that's fine with me I hope they continue to do it because it's gonna make us get playing games not gonna lie though that Wolfenstein was kind of hidden oh it wasn't it was right you could see it walking right by that's how I spotted it I love that I'm like that's what the sound of switch right there and nobody's playing it well how do we get where the the line to play it was hidden yeah but the actual like where they are like I just walk up I'm like no it's gonna be like okay here's the line there here's the nonline here's the here's the line forms here and then and then the thing is another important thing to remember is Nintendo when you're recording footage say you want to record footage of you playing Nintendo's booth you have to be present in the footage someone has to be present yes someone I mean if you they kind of let you record it if someone else is playing they don't really check to see if you're putting that person in but if you are playing like if I'm playing it and Eric's recording my face has to be present in the thing which is fine for the most part it's not that big a deal I thought it was just even like your like shoulder head there's to they're way less strict about it and they were back at and 2016 2016 they were super strict this time that they mentioned someone's got to be in it but they don't really get specific yeah and they're not really checking the footage so but what I noticed is like for Wilson they know dude like go on the right on the screen yeah pretty much like yeah they didn't care I'm like sweet so Bethesda there like you want you want some awesome footage that's I mean God and they're gonna have to this year do me turn all and Wolf is on young blood so like and the do me turn a line is probably gonna be long but I wonder if you mentioned I'm here just for the switch version you get to skip a little bit maybe we'll see but I mean there's gonna be a lot to play at Nintendo's booth and that's obviously what we want to hit first and get out of the way so I mean there's so many so many switch exclusives this year coming so it'll be it'll be a lot of fun I just hope it's all like if there was okay what switch exclusive this year do you hope is playable there I mean Super Mario Maker 2 we already know it's going to be because it comes out in June right right because beyond that there's nothing else guaranteed to be playable I know that's just it I don't even know I honestly we were assuming sort of chill to be playable we don't even know right um could be anthem video presentation I don't know what if I run them through houses is that switch exclusive yes yeah yeah I'm gonna surprise me if that was there Marvel the middle line it's also come oh yeah that'd be sweet to have there yeah I'm gonna hit that line I'm going with Marvel the middle lines fire on the three houses I think for me I mean I'm hoping Animal Crossing Luigi's mansion and all stuff are playable I don't know Luigi's mansion would be sweet but like I really need I want to go hands-on with fire alone I want to see if it's just more of the same from 3ds which is fine or what like what we've seen looks like more of the same but I don't know I just have to play you know they always have the raw paper scissors style gameplay and it's a strategy game and I like strategy games so we'll see how I feel about after playing it I haven't really I played a little bit of fates a little bit of echoes but I really last last game I deep dived in was awakening so it's gonna be interesting to dive into it because I'm pretty sure that is the game I'm going to review it even if I don't review it I'm buying it in July I'm gonna buy fire alone three houses so because I might have a viewing Marvel Alliance I'm not sure yet I might review both if I feel so inclined oh I just know that fire I'm gonna take me like hundreds of hours before I actually decide oh yeah I can review this now because that's just the way that game you'd fire them away can even suck my life I think I have put like 500 so what you're saying is if you're gonna review fire a moment won't be for another six months yeah boy you'll see it you'll see it in like three years yeah anyways and unfortunately I don't have an audience that'll wait that long here right see I gotta find it I gotta find a stick I gotta be like the girlfriend reviews channel where it's it's like the review isn't of the game it's of what it's like to be the girlfriend of the person playing that game so then you can grab any game any game you play that week you'll be from whenever it doesn't matter it doesn't have to be a recently released yeah and see the stick still works because you can pick out a popular game like God of War from like last year two years ago and then whatever it's still because it's not an actual review of the game yeah it there's a lot of knowledge about the game in there but but it's from the perspective of the girlfriend watching you play it so right a very very clever concept for those guys by the way congrats on all your guys a success out there but so maybe that's gonna be my approach if I want to if I want to go back I want to go back a few years and review I can't review the game like a tradition of no I gotta find my own angle yeah maybe what's it like introducing my kids or something like that to a game that they are not old enough to even be looking at on screen your parents let me guys your mom I'm obviously introducing my three-year-old to Wolfenstein to glasses it's obviously I got I got a teaching about Nazis at some point obvious at some point and this is the reality of the Nazis came to that with a straight face I mean the alternative reality where they won the war so I can't know anyways I get to teach him about alternative realities yeah and robots and lots of killing and why it's okay in a game but not in real life I don't want to have that moral conversation with my cat my kid right now my cat your cat hate cats to um that I would like to see that conversation oh my god oh man so what happens when we push the podcast back a day my mind is just yep um yeah so is there besides just playing games cuz that's like what we do every time we go right play the games get the footage like priority one okay right what else are you looking forward to about being there on the floor strangely enough as much as I'm not a crowd person it's kind of awesome to be to see that the size of the crowd and the hustle and bustle of everybody trying to run around trying to get get to the next line trying to do this trying to that it's also it's also really cool to kind of see the different designs of the different booths and what they do different from year to year it's some of the booths that like they do super elaborate which I know they're just blowing money to blow money all right I mean the first year we went when we went with with Nintendo having well yeah Nintendo built temple I mean that was ridiculous that was the end and to and I'm gonna be honest with you guys their booth last year wasn't nearly as impressive no it wasn't but it was it was neat but like it like we call it smash bros theme because over half the booth with smash bros right but the whole booth wasn't really themed smash right so it's kind of like this they built a temple mm-hmm like had they had an entrance that raised up yeah you to get in after you watch the opening trailer right it was so cool it was and like then and the year we didn't go they built New Donk City so we had we just happened to go back on the lame year yeah of course they didn't do something like that but anyways that's the what what like I mean okay what no good it's just cool to kind of see what what other other other booths do and stuff like that well I and like when you talk about the crowd cuz I know you're not like a big crowd person I think one reason though the crowds and I'm not really bothering me either is we are from Wisconsin north northern ish Wisconsin and while there's gamers we're not used to being around crowds of gamers yeah like yeah we all we both know people that game and this and that but like it's not like you know we go out to Walmart and we just see gamers everywhere like we're just not you we don't live in big cities right yeah we were within driving distance of big cities but we're hardly over there and so we're just not used to being among that many people that are all there just to play games and have fun right yeah I'm not gonna say like it feels like home because it totally doesn't feel like yeah our home doesn't feel that way yeah but it feels like this I belong well if you don't that's the thing you you don't feel out of place because everyone's there to play the games yeah we're there for more and a more business like structure of we need to do this and this and this and this and this and thus we actually get to play a lot more games and a lot of people gamer passes because they're not they don't have it the determination they they're always wait four and a half hours in line or the wherewithal to generally plan out their day well that too well and generally we usually hit the Nintendo booth first every time anyways yeah because we already know the lines are gonna be stupid long and they're gonna be long longer and longer the earlier that everyone gets in so it's like look if we can somehow get it out of the way bang it out day one yeah we might end up going back oh I'm sure you know and especially if there's fantastic game in there well and and there was just like I think oh sorry I think we went through the general booth three times yeah something like that and I can't remember why cuz I kept thinking I think I don't like the way first went in there we hit up some of the games and then we're like okay some of the lines were a little long like we'll come back another time and in hindsight we probably should just wait it out and got everything done probably and that's what I want to day one is well Nintendo booth if we can get it all done day one right right or pipe past the long waits you know get everything right I think what it was I don't have a lot more time I know the first the first two times were because we wanted to try Starlink both handheld and docked yeah that was two reasons why we went through it the third time we ended up hitting up what is it Queen B killer yeah killer queen back and overcooked to yep was the one time that we went through yep that was the final time yep when we met Nintendo K and it so but I know we went through three times because I have three sets of the maritime status pins ah yeah so I maybe I went through on my own I might have went through on my own when I got back and you were in line for Pokemon yep I think you did I think at that time in hindsight I should only gotten the second line and even though I knew it was gonna be a half hour wait whatever it would have been playing something new but I think I just went back in and just play some games already played mostly I just saw I mostly I just wanted to get in and play doubles in Mario Tender States is never got to play doubles you know I'm like really wait we want to play doubles oh no this is what's available whatever I mean it's whatever I had already basically played the hell out because they had the public test I had already played the hell out of my and whooped me well yeah but I you started doing better once I once I taught you a couple of the controls you're like oh okay you wait a second yeah you know I'm like well yeah I played the public test I knew you knew but it was one of those things that it was just like well okay how do I don't do this yeah this is like this one's a different type of shot than this one and they're just like oh oh anyways yeah it was it was a good time though so this year obviously be different just because kind of learned after last year you know what if it's kind of structured like last year where you kind of get into a general area and then you can just kind of free roam and go to different ones just get down get down the down the ones that we're not that we don't have a war pipe pass for you get down with the ones we get done with him and call it a day you know and we'll know things like you know you don't really need to play FIFA because we'll probably have that out of the way at EA play if they have another FIFA demo which you're not supposed to record footage of so who know maybe they changed the policy maybe I don't know so yeah I because I'm pretty much pretty sure the day one for us for the two or three hours you get to be on the floor that hopefully we just get all that done my only concern of course is always gonna be the Pokemon and if they put if they have playable Pokemon and it's not part of the war pipe pass it will be its own line again and there's no way in hell we're getting in that day one and probably not and what sucks is that takes up like a majority a day to and you're like oh just wait for when the crowds are the biggest yes hey this is where I miss having immediate Pokemon is the only reason I miss having immediate because of how long the line is once the general public right it is what it is we'll get it done folks we will get it done that being said I guess we can kind of transition to a game we know will be there we just had a Nintendo Direct on it yeah super Mario maker to so you have a chance to watch the direct right it all right well what are your thoughts coming out of that direct looks like a good game I mean I know you didn't really play the original no I didn't really play the original some of the new stuff looks really cool slopes obviously I like the dry bones idea that where you can just kind of play dead and you're invincible the or when you jump in lava you just kind of like floating it like yeah in the shell and you're kind of you're invincible there and it looked like it looks like there was parts of it where he had like a one of those spiny porcupines on his head to and it was kind of running around so that that's kind of crazy yeah it seems like you could set up like races and stuff in in levels and because you can play with multiplayer they had different objectives this time yeah so last time Mario maker was basically always get to the fight ball right it can be creative but it's always just get to the fight ball and that's when level ends but now they have like no you can collect a hundred coins or like whatever and those can be your objective like and that to me that's just like blew my mind opening the possibility because now it's not just get the fight ball it's whatever and people are wondering like is there gonna be room based like can you do like go down a pipe but to get out of that of that room you're in you need to collect can we do room-based objectives maybe instead of level-based objectives so don't know that is that is that is that's my make the story what they did do and this I didn't copy off guard there's an intense single player hundred levels oh yeah rebuilding peaches castle these levels are all made by the Nintendo so it's not pulling levels down from the servers or anything it's all levels are probably come with the game but built by Nintendo employees and there's bonus objectives and all this crazy stuff with them what are your thoughts on that because we haven't had a new 2d side scrolling Mario game since new Super Mario Brothers you yeah probably um I mean yeah no traditional now we haven't had a traditional 2d one since then it it seems like a relatively common game play element now where you kind of build something up by spending although that seems more like a more of a mobile game well we kind of race where you collect almost like guy what is like home scapes and stuff like that where you you know you play your you're almost like candy crush your thing and then you get points and then you can spend it to upgrade your house or do stuff like that so it's kind of it's it's something similar to that in a way but no I like the concept well stuck in those games before see the thing is is it's basically beat the levels and you're yeah so I honestly think that that it's kind of brilliant it's one of the things that actually sold me on the game because I'm not like big in the Mario maker even though I played a bunch of the original I just I'm not in the building games but this there's this entire single-player game in here that's as long as a normal Mario it's almost like two games in one but it's not because that's the brilliant some Mario maker it's not really two games in one hey there's the you go build stuff or play other stuffs that's built or you can play this over here yeah but it's all but but but the this over here is just something that other people built those other people are just Nintendo employees right so it and they had them you know they had a mode you know before and this mode the modes back we're like you have like you know kind of infinite play but that's just random downloading levels yeah they have Nintendo employee levels you can play here and there but like now it's like no we have that stuff sure but dude we have basically a full-blown Mario game inside the game but instead of it being built like you would think a traditional Mario game might be built no we just built it all within the game yeah it's basically a hundred level Mario game yeah that you just play and you collect coins and you I build I honestly think that it's brilliant so it's the story of how peaches castle was built here you go here we go there you go that's that's that's how peaches castle or baby yep Mario paid for everything it's all you need to know yep I just the more and more they showed of this the more I became impressed there are some concerning things for some people what are you thinking over here no no go ahead concerning things well the biggest concern I saw this is something I mentioned I think when I was live reacting to it is they didn't show off any amiibo costumes those were a big deal in the first one because in the NES mode if you want the NES art style you could have a link you could turn them in the link yeah turn them into you whatever characters mega man even no most seems like it's straight Mario and well here's the thing though they didn't this direct focused on the new that wouldn't be new if they were doing that again that would be so that could be something they talk about E3 so it's something that it still might be in there there's no confirmation that or you know that is not in there but I think people were hoping that it would be expanded IE take it out of just NES like a lot of these character models they were on the SNES so I can't they be in the super in the Super Mario World story right very for sure for sure or whatever you know like I think people are hoping to see the expandings you know and that could have been new instead it's like oh we're not even sure if it's in there and for some people that upset some because they would make levels themed around the different games right so that is that is disappointing if that didn't make the cut but we don't know we don't know but kind of going off of that it in a certain way it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't in there because of the new the newer theming aspects of it with with the night time the snow the the what the heck a forest I mean the different themes you have a Mario's character model doesn't change if it's night or day I I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me what it would be a cut feature from the first game that a lot of people loved it it one surprised me because Nintendo's gonna Nintendo on something yeah they're making you have the Nintendo Switch Island service for it no that's what they're Nintendo ain't yeah there is that but I mean here's the thing oh on that front there were people legit trying to argue with me that there's no way before the direct happen the Super Mario Maker 2 would have in the Nintendo Switch Island service and I'm like guys it it's a game that had that you upload and download levels yep it's going to have the online services are required I get that like all the other required games were like massively multiplayer online games but you probably won't have to have because features like this weren't in the other games you probably won't have to have it to play the single player single player no the 100 level thing I think from Nintendo that that's gonna I mean that's you don't download anything right that's just part of the game right but you'll be able to create stages you know you'll probably do local share of your stages but you know if you want to upload your stages you want to download you have you don't buy Super Mario Maker 2 if you don't have the Nintendo Switch Island service I mean they're bundling the Nintendo Switch Island service with the damn thing for 70 to try to give it to you half off right so like they they know like they this is a game that's gonna push the Nintendo Switch Island service I already have it so it doesn't really matter for me but it does stack yeah it does stack so like if I got it if I got the $70 one it would just give me an extra year yeah so that's nice but I just would buy the $60 version worry about it later yeah the one thing that it the one when I lit up because I remembered how about the go-kart oh yeah freaking awesome they're bringing Mario Kart like that wasn't in the old ones Mario Kart into it there's a lot like there's a lot of new things what I thought was interesting is they brought Super Mario 3D world in but it's separate yes it's like you have to anything into it you have to build a level just with that it's fine I think it's because the physics and everything work different like with all the other games all the other versions they have it Mario's Mario with a new coat of paint basically yeah but this is different in this one you can climb walls and this one the physics are a little different so I think it's a it doesn't nicely convert so that's when you just you know you can say it's a lazy way out I don't see it where you can go through a war pipe hey look you're all magically there but it's not 3d it's still science it's taking a game that was in the 3d plane and making it just side-scrolling so because 3d world was technically a 3d Mario game yeah I don't know so I don't think it really matters to be honest because we didn't have it before at all so right it's just another thing to do in the game right home I going back to the theming thing with the nighttime I cannot it's really cool to kind of see how it changes the levels were like the goombas float or the well at the nighttime thing in general is just really cool like you because you always had the Sun doing the same but like now they agree that the ventral side to the moon where the happy moon come from is there a sunshine no was some sunshine was that moon pieces you would get like shards and stuff but that yeah but that we're talking about like all the sun how the sun acts in the game is how it acted in the 2d games where it would come and attack you Odyssey Odyssey has moon pieces yeah but still right but there was happy moon night no I don't know no I yeah it's the opposite of the ventral Sun yeah yeah but it you know the anti grant or the gravity well yeah flip changes the underground levels are upside down the goombas float I like that one obviously anything has to do with goombas he's just fawning over here yeah I like goombas keep it in your pants man keep it in your pants it's a goomba yeah like everything about Super Mario maker 2 is so far above and beyond what I expected because I basically expected to be a Super Mario maker with a few new cool things the slopes and and whatever and instead they really like blew it out man and then the different things that you can do with the on-off switches and the oh yeah yeah that's you appearing and disappearing blocks and you can make that's you all make timing puzzles yeah and I think is I'm not gonna play around with a lot of this like you guys might that's why I'm not sure if I'm good if I'm a good person to review this game but then again it could be from the perspective of as someone who is just more into playing like I like because everyone's gonna review it from the oh what's it like to build things I don't like but I really like that I play another mm-hmm so I don't know it everything to me just looks amazing about this game and I went from like a hype level of a three or a four where it's like yeah it's gonna be pretty good but it's not really my cup of tea to a do I'm looking at a solid seven man yeah seven seven for me usually means I'm gonna buy yeah and it can go up from seven that's just what I feel now without having even touched it right so eight or nine heck if it's anything else if it hits 10 for me that means I'm building like crazy being I'm loving it yeah and I haven't found a builder game that makes me love it yet so you know I played Mario maker so like I already know where it works right but I don't know maybe this game will do it for me I I don't know the changing water levels you can have those go up and now you can level or the auto scrolling having to go different direction you can now build vertical levels that go up like I this is awesome yeah I this is my mind is blown that's all I can really say one thing that was a little strange they announced towards the end I want to know your feelings on this they announced the $99 passes not really passive vouchers yeah that you could get that do about they do have the games listed you could buy it where basically you can get to $60 games digitally for a hundred what are your thoughts on that it's a discount it's for them to switch out it's the first perk right we've really had that's an actual perk where you save money potentially right we tend to save money to not spend any but you're going to buy the two of those for sure for sure they're giving you a discount part of me thinks that they'd sell more if they sell them sing sold them singly well and my thing and I was thinking at the time why do we need vouchers why don't you just say yeah why don't you just say hey if you remember them to us we'll answer if you get 17% off yeah of every yeah first party yeah yeah yeah we release you just get a 17% discount that's what it is yeah you say 10 bucks you say 17% so it's like yeah no definitely it's way more complicated than what it needs to be and what I don't like about it is that well is that say I only want say I want SuperMoneyMaker that's all I want I have to spend a hundred yep like no for sure and that's why I said I think but that's how they're trying to get you how many people are gonna buy never use that second voucher or how many people that already or like some of those games they haven't like oh once you switch you know what's just like what you switches and isn't $50 no yeah so how would I use a voucher on one to switch when it's not even you can go to the store right now we'll probably find it for 30 yeah like why the hell like the games are like even breath of the wild you can get brand new for 45 yeah it's a rip-off for some of the stuff right great yeah more our Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 and if it's good for final three houses I guess it might be nice to pick it up in July and get those two games digitally that's fine and especially if you like digital but in a lot of cases like I look at that listen I'm like okay I just went on Amazon brand new it's cheaper than 50 brand new cheaper than 50 brand new like yeah why you're not saving money I mean you're saving money on the digital version but you're not really saving money overall it's not really like oh you spent money for the privilege to have access to save money on something that you can save money without paying for the access yeah just a little bit but how many people are also gonna look at that and go I only want one game oh I guess I'm just gonna buy the game I spend the extra 10 bucks instead of the extra 60 extra 40 for them like 40 yeah yeah and that's another thing too I 30 here's the thing I'm not mad that there is a discount available I mean I'd rather have this than nothing obviously but like why can't we just get it better why does it why doesn't I get I was about to say why does Nintendo Nintendo this is totally a Nintendo thing they can't just give you the discount no they have to add this big caveat to get the most money they can out of you up front right away for something that isn't even that good of a deal in the first place unless you're although brand new games day one right if you're getting majority of the games on that list it's like you don't they're already 50 year on here actually the not on not on the eShop by the way I know the MSRP in the eShop no they're not but I'm not talking about eShop I know it's an eShop discount but like most people right if they're looking for deals they're not looking for deals they don't really care for digital or physical they just want the best deal and then on top of that something that's complete complete BS is let's say you buy the thing by the passes or the vouchers vouchers they're only good for a year after after purchase that's so if you if let's say you you buy them and no other game you really want comes out I mean or you forget what you have I mean you would like to think you always you would like to think oh you'll use it you want eventually but if you forget about it you know it's kind of like the gold coins like the gold coins are used for discounts we kind of forget about them you might never apply your gold coins right the discount and then they expire right but at least then it's like well that was just kind of a bonus yeah the gold coins you don't like purchase them you get them yeah bonus from buying games the fact that this is an actual like purchase you're basically pre-purchasing two games right what you're doing right but you don't know what those two games are yet or you maybe you do in the fact that they expires that's garbage that that is straight-up garbage am I gonna argue with you on that but I can't defend that I think it's dumb I think I'm glad that we have it period and it's fine like as I said there are those situations like if you you know for sure 100% for sure you're getting Marvel Ultimate Alliance and fight on the three houses in July you're getting them digitally they're gonna be 60 bucks of hop duh buy the damn vouchers and get them for 20 bucks off why would you not you'd be dumb not to but I'm not trying to argue there's not a use for them but they could have done matter they could just have 70% like why can't we just get a standard discount whatever happened whatever happened to Satura Owada's concept you threw out there of a customer loyalty program right future games are cheaper if you keep buying games Nintendo and they could have made that part of the online service the the reason why the reason why is because they want the perfect combination of those that are gonna buy the vouchers and those that aren't and they're gonna make the money off those that aren't and they're gonna you know quote-unquote lose their money on the ones that aren't well that's smaller it's a smaller it's just guys to let you know it's a smaller profit margin yeah it's not a smaller profit margin that's the problem the $10 off is not there it's a digital copy of a game there's no shipping involved there's no physical package there's no cartridge the cartridges themselves cost $10 a pop right so they're minusing the cost of the cartridge off and giving you a discount right there's still no packaging there's no shipping there's no marketing yes literally you're downloading off the Internet they make more money off that $50 purchase off a $60 physical Nintendo is fleecing you for more money and actually like it's a discount this is against the whole digital copy should be without the physical but it's a smaller profit margin on digital version that was my thing it's a smaller profit margin if you buy a digital at full price versus sure the thing it's a slightly smaller profit margin well sure yeah that's where I was going with the 10 oh I get that but it's right right digital copies are too expensive guys yeah they should a little bit a digital copy of the game is not the same as a physical copy of the game for basically one major reason they could just take that copy away from you digitally they can't take your physical card away from you I guess Nintendo ninjas could show up to your house but like right right it doesn't happen yeah so the point is you go out and you buy breath of the wild physically great you buy a digitally they could just yank it off the store one day and you can't get in anymore or but you still have that if you have that physical copy you can keep playing yeah so like the point I'm saying is a digital copy is actually worthless now you to a consumer yeah like you buy it for the convenience you buy it for the convenience you can't turn around sell it again well yeah that's nothing to you can't I mean there are some platforms are starting to let you do that but you can't do that on switch so there's no resale value and this isn't me trying to say don't go digital fine go digital fine I get it's convenient I have tons of digital game most of my library is digital it's cool go digital but I I look at it as you're throwing a bone to people who already are paying you money right every single year you're throwing us a bone and that bone is just making digital games costs what they probably should already cost and even then it's not just applied to a game it's a voucher right that you might forget about right you would the chance the chances are you're not going well chances are you're not buying the vouchers unless you're already just getting the two planning on having two games yeah you probably already haven't planned but there is the chance that you do in the fact that what happens in this case like say that say okay so because here's another thing the vouchers currently went out only available to purchase until some day in June or in July or whatever so like there's actually only available for a small amount of time unless they extend it right so knowing that some people might be like well geez I'm gonna spend $300 or you got up to eight vouchers I'm gonna spend $400 have my eight vouchers because I know I'm gonna get eight Nintendo games in the future and then you never do yep and you just gave Nintendo money yeah like or you're like oh I'm gonna buy one because I'm gonna get Marvel to the Alliance 3 and Fire Emblem and you buy it now right because it's a limited time to get these vouchers yep and then all of a sudden you get the July or you get out you know it gets out of July and you're like oh you know what the games aren't reviewing well I'm not gonna get them and now I got these two vouchers I mean yeah now I don't have anything I want to buy right now so I'll just hold on to it in case I want to buy some later and then that's when the forgetting right about it right because as the Nintendo's like oh get your pre-order in or get you you're not thinking voucher yeah you're thinking oh let me pre-order and get my pre-order in yeah you know or the or here's the thing oh well oh oh it's fine I'll wait I'll guess I'll save it for Animal Crossing oh there's a special edition of Animal Crossing well that yeah voucher that voucher that yeah or or yeah here I'll save it for Animal Crossing Animal Crossing up something happened guess what we're pushing the date back yeah past the year that you bought the voucher yeah I it's just don't get me wrong I think most people that buy the vouchers will blow even on games that they don't think they want just so they end up using them right I don't think most people are gonna let them expire but I just think that it's just why can't we just get a standard discount why can't Nintendo just say look if you remember those on the service you get x% off every game that we publish done it would be done see and the thing is is well you'd get some of that money back what I mean increased increase at least even like on subscriptions to your online service Xbox live in PlayStation Network they have exclusive sales to those people well this is kind of like their exclusive sale but it's not a sale on a game it's a pre-purchase games we don't know what they are yet yeah and you gotta give us a hundred bucks where it's like Sony will be like hey look like for the next week we'll have a flashdale 40% off for only PlayStation Network members right I'm this I'm this game right no no why can't we do that I don't know because Nintendo's got to do something completely different Nintendo thinks they know about it all the time yep and I get that like half of the switch audience hasn't just on the service but does that mean successful how many of those are the free Amazon Prime member number ones like that they if you're an Amazon Prime member you can get a you should take advantage of a way you can get a free year oh yeah service for me an Amazon Prime all right yeah so like I look I get the services cheap and all the stuff and again I don't want to look to get forced in the mouth saying that oh don't take away our vouchers now like no it's fine you already announced to give us the vouchers right I just I want Nintendo to what what Nintendo needs to recognize about the Nintendo switch online service in general for me is that it is a service that you are hoping to get people to keep re-upping every year so it needs to be all about pleasing the consumers and they have not done a very good job since releasing into the switch online service at pleasing their consumers and they might look at well look at the bottom line numbers well you haven't you haven't reached the end of the first year yeah when people don't re-up right so what you need to do is keep adding value and adding a temporary voucher for a few months isn't really adding value no you know telling people oh our first special offer is you have the privilege to spend $60 on controllers let's put it let's put it this way I'm not buying the Nintendo switch online service just so I can go buy those vouchers no well I don't think they're thinking that's why you buy no nobody buys a service for the vouchers I I think that's why they view it as a value add they think you're not buying it for the vouchers you're buying it for one of our zillions of multiplayer games right because we're forcing you to you have to but I would buy the online service if it was a flat like you said a flat discount for every you know the games sure because then it comes like of the rewards card program at that at GameStop where like you get you know 10% offer whatever it is on every game yeah like across the board yeah I would you get a 10% bonus on every trade I would actually get the online service for that even though I right now I still kind of think the online services garbage yeah I mean if I wasn't a youtuber I wouldn't have it I don't think but I mean maybe I would because again it isn't that expensive and I like playing Nintendo games online but like that's it I basically getting it because I feel like I have to have it to play what I want to play it's really the reason that I mean that's just be honest setting aside all the bonuses and extracurriculars if there's a reason that Xbox Live PlayStation Network and now the services service hasn't taken away the requirement to play online games from that service because they know if they do that who's gonna hell is gonna pay for it right all this other stuff that makes people justify and fight for them and argue about how amazing they are it's like but let's just be honest there's only one only any of us even have the game is buying the paywall like if you remove the paywall for online gameplay which does not exist on PC that's why PC gamers laugh at console peasants it's it's that they're not wrong you you already pay for your internet bills so why are you paying to access the internet again yeah because that's that's all these online services are you're it's isn't like Google Stadia where you're paying to access their servers you are paying especially with Nintendo especially with Nintendo but even a lot of Microsoft and Sony a lot of it's peer-to-peer so you're just paying to use your own internet and potentially paying for your internet to be used as a host to increase your bandwidth usage for other people to play on you because you have the faster internet so you might be actually causing yourself to have a higher energy bill by hosting yeah for paying for the privilege to do or if you have two people that have you already pay for or if you have two people that have data cap networks oh those are data cap people pretty much never buy services like all right why they can't handle Netflix they run a freaking day but what I'm saying is if you end up with two guys with with data cap networks come on because that you're gonna bust right through your cap I just I understand that the reason these services exist is money money money sure these are all for-profit companies and yes Nintendo's greedy so is Sony so is Microsoft they're all greedy when it comes to online services okay yes we could talk about how the Xbox live and PlayStation Network are vastly superior online services and you're 100% right and yes you do pay more for those services so maybe you should expect them to be vastly superior but they've also been doing it for a long time and they've got it to a point where most people tend not to complain about their services too much and except when the network's down so I honestly think that Nintendo's at this point where they are so late in the game that it's kind of like trying to get into any any technology that's popular as I say Nintendo wants to make a phone you can't just make another phone and do your own thing with it you have there are set standards out there already so for sure what you're doing sure those standards first then you do something right and I have no problem with Nintendo trying different things but you gotta meet the standard the unexpected the online on written expectations of yeah god fine the app is an option that's all it ever should have been yeah yeah actually complete the promises you made yeah about the online service that you just conveniently don't bring up anymore because you're not doing it yeah I I could spend the you know hours and hours complaining about it but it frustrates me and I think that's what what's up with the voucher thing coming up is like look I'm not going to claim too much about the $70 thing whatever Nintendo's just trying to get more people to get the service but like the voucher thing it's just I get that's another incentive I guess to try to get the service but I just don't think it's a great no no use it you know when it's advantageous for you to otherwise I yeah I just why can't we just get a standard discount like I and again so you're just you're just complaining to complain and it's like no not I I when I criticize and have have remarks like this I genuinely want Nintendo to be the best version of itself and yes the best version of itself at times is going to be greedy as an example one common argument that Nintendo is greedy is that they charge $60 for like things like Wii U ports when Sony might charge only $40 they like bring over to PlayStation 3 game heck they might remaster it and only charge $40 and I get that but Nintendo does it and this is where I'm at this is as a consumer I agree they're too expensive new Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe has no business being $60 I don't care that includes the Luigi U DLC I don't care that it has a couple extra things in it bottom line is we're talking about a game that originally launched like seven or eight years ago mm-hmm oh great the $20 DLCs included okay it's okay that's six years that's like seven years ago like yeah right okay like it's not worth 60 but but here's the thing what Nintendo has done and this is the brilliancy in why Nintendo doesn't drop their MSRP even though I just mentioned earlier you can get about the level 45 that's come that's like Amazon saying we want we want a lower stock so we're gonna drop the price of 15 just to kind of get some stock and get some money back but like there that's not Nintendo Nintendo still has the MSRP at $59.99 so that's why you know when the MSRP drops you know because it also drops on the eShop so the big thing is as Nintendo knows because they don't really reduce the MSRP's ever that people just expect their games to be 60 mm-hmm no matter what it is mm-hmm so nobody questions we're no no people question it but the bottom line is it moved like five million units like when you're still selling in the millions I look at it and go look I can be mad and I can agree at the consumer level that this sucks but you know what look as just looking at it from a pure business perspective Nintendo would be idiotic not to charge 60 right because they're gonna sell millions of millions they'll leave you money at the table there's no evidence to suggest that they dropped it to 40 they would sell more of them because if you look at the if you look at Sony who does that they don't outsell like Nintendo's games at 60 these ports at 60 are outselling playstations for the force $40 PlayStation 3 port yeah my massive numbers with less switches out there so Nintendo would be stupid to not charge 60 think about this well the best selling game the top selling game on switch I don't maybe smash a surpassed it by now I'm much I got double check the official numbers Mardi card eight deluxe again a port of a Wii U game of course they're still charges 60 it's like the best selling game in the whole platform yeah there was money they would have left from the table they didn't charge 60 so like my thing is that is a type of greed that I can not be mad about I can say I can say I wish Nintendo would charge only 40 I think it's only worth 40 but bottom line is the market determines the price if the market determines we millions and millions and millions of us will pay 60 bucks then that's what it is worth it is worth 60 bucks I can argue so the cows come home that I personally don't think it should be does it matter because the market disagrees and ultimately the market is what the sides pricing if the game stops selling at 60 bucks Nintendo would price them at 60 but they keep selling breath of the wild why is it still 60 that's still a top 10 seller in Japan as of last week two years out why would they lower the price the market is determining it could still sell at 60 so that's the thing as much as we get mad at Nintendo and you can wonder why can Nintendo do it in other companies can't because people stop buying the games people don't stop buying the Nintendo games I don't know why we don't stop buying them we just don't yeah I get you so I don't get mad at Nintendo for it because I understand the business side of it would be why would they leave money at the table but with the online service I think they'll leave you money at the table I'm almost talking arguing from a business perspective if they did better they would have more customers using their service and just make more money yes so I'm actually trying to argue for them to fleece us more but do it in a way that makes people feel good about it yeah that's like the fortnight multi-billion dollar Pokemon go multiple like people are spending oodles and oodles of money on these games but people feel good about spending that money right now people are kind of reluctantly getting the online service and I'm trying to get Nintendo to a point where look yeah no matter what it's crappy that we have to pay for online multiplayer and no one's ever gonna really say that's a good thing except for maybe some people that are shilling really hard but you can make people feel good about spending that money and that's what Xbox Live and PlayStation Network have done they've made people feel good about committing that 60 bucks a year yeah you mean a good but but it's more it's more justifiable to spend that comfortable yeah like oh I spent 60 yeah I don't really like that you gotta pay for the buff dude you like look at all you get this you get this I got to play over the last year right that were worth way more than 60 bucks right you know it's like Game Pass like oh man look at all like every single Xbox exclusive Xbox one exclusive like Game Pass no 120 bucks a year yeah man you know just two of those games is 120 bucks and I get all of them so it sounds expensive when you say 120 but it's like but look how many games you get kind of and that's not counting the retro library and stuff so people like Game Pass people like Xbox Live those are the ones I have the most experience in general because people feel like it provides a good value to them yeah and right now people don't feel that this online service provides a good value because when we talk value it's not about are people willing to buy this to play games online because ultimately yeah you could argue switch offers a way better value in that case it's only 20 bucks for that paywall so you could argue valuation in that way if you want but generally when people talk about the PlayStation Network and Xbox Live nobody's justifying it by you have to pay for to play online they're justifying it by all the perks you get by having it yeah Nintendo doesn't have like when you talk about this which online service you're talking playing some NES games Tetris 99 even like awesome Tetris 99 is great cool cool cool well now they just added a DLC to it for 10 bucks a game you only have with the online service now you got to spend 10 bucks if you want to play the new modes and stuff in it and I'm a granite you never have to spend that money but it's like once you see what's happening here they gave you something for free and now they're making it cost money don't you see what they're doing here Nintendo is not adding value to you no they gave you something and now they're trying to convince you to spend money on it it's that they're fortnight in it they're fortnight in it which is fine if people generally don't feel good about spending that now granted I don't know how people feel I'm not spending the 10 bucks intention I may be the people that do spend on it are happy with it but and I'm not saying that you shouldn't love the game itself base game itself isn't worth 10 bucks probably is but the bottom line is that right now as a Nintendo Switch Online subscriber I feel dirty yeah because I'm basically only doing it because I feel like I have to have it yeah I'm not doing it because I feel that I'm getting a lot from Nintendo it's not that you want to have it it's no I don't want to have it I'm granted I don't want to have Xbox Live either right but at least there's perks that make you feel like if you're an avid Xbox gamer at least there you're getting enough free games generally enough this enough that to make you be okay with it and I don't know what I what I'd be okay with 20 bucks a year but I mean I've talked about in the past I basically just want basic services oh yeah I mean and not just okay yeah guess what one of your perks is you get a chance to buy different things that nobody else can buy whoa thank you like my whole thing with perks is the perks shouldn't be you have the privilege to spend money right and that's my problem because you're already spending money to get the perks right so the perks should be congratulations you have the privilege to spend more money I mean it yes a game discount it's still the privilege to spend more money but the thing is you always have the ability to spend more money a game discount is just saying look but if you were thinking about getting this game before and you weren't sure about it well maybe this discount now might convince you to write and so like it's like you have what's the first perk they give you you have the exclusive ability to buy NES controllers for your switch that only work within NES games then you find out they work with every game okay so that was BS yeah and then I'm gonna say they work well but whatever right and then and then you're like oh now you have the exclusive ability to buy vouchers yeah it's like you know what sounds a lot better you get a game discount if you remember for sure I mean it's cool that they have I mean the chat this god this sound good the store itself is cool that I mean the but if that's your only feature perk is that you have an exclusive store I'm not saying don't have an exclusive store but if that's like one of your only only things of Nintendo was better and it was free yeah I'm just so I'm gonna let's go club Nintendo you got physical items for just playing in buying games for free it was just a park it was better than the gold point redemption because you got literal items that were exclusive to club Nintendo members and like you were like oh well that isn't that what the end but I had to buy this stuff it was just a bonus for buying their games right it was a customer loyalty program is what it was yeah that's what I that's what I want right a lot of already detailed it out in the past rest in peace my man I know you're not here I don't know if it would ever happen but he detailed out the idea of getting games cheaper for being a loyal consumer yeah this isn't what he meant you don't even have to buy a Nintendo game you just buy a switch and get the service yeah and then you get the discount and I'm arguing that you shouldn't get the disc I just yeah hey I just feel like there's better ways and well I don't know if we'll get there may maybe like one thing I will say is Nintendo promised the Nintendo selling service with what consistently grow and get better I haven't really seen it get much better they added some Smash Bros. stuff to the online app finally but I I just I feel like Nintendo you know like we're getting new NES games like we just got a batch a week ago and we already know what the next batch is I believe which is cool but yeah we I think we like why don't like when are we getting SNES game oh oh did you oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah they flashed it like twice I think in there I only saw it the one time either way yeah they didn't flash the SNES thing in the Super Mario Maker and you have wondering you got wondering okay are we getting SNES or is that an accident yeah but I legit well the fact that I legit have to wonder yeah was it wasn't just someone in editing screwed up or is someone in editing rebelling and they got fired because they got in there maybe or because why would it be Famicon in the US version I don't know like if Nintendo is trying to tease they couldn't even localize it yeah that's why I'm wondering if this was like a rogue editor maybe let's snuck it in as kind of like a hey I want SNES games on my right I don't know don't ask me and then like then like the Nintendo America crew that's going to voice voice over the Japanese version notice like oh yeah we saw that yeah we wanted to yeah kind of a conspiracy inside Nintendo where the employees are trying to push for it and then I was like whatever when we when we get to it yeah I mean they're only getting this what three Nes games year probably announced it at E3 or something like I say probably God they might never announce the damn thing we're probably only going to be getting Nes games for a while I it's fine I think SNES games are coming it's just I don't know why it has to be so secretive like dude we're talking about games that came out 20 30 years ago like it's okay it's okay to like let people know they're coming in the future like I'm all for transparency of hey we paid for you're the service you let us know we're getting over the next year right and if it gets delayed it's a late it's whatever at least we know it's coming right but we just get excited please be excited yeah like a lot of you say please be excited even though it was a really stupid announcement no I was excited at least he recognized the dominoes but please be excited please please so we got please this is the part where you clap we sports yes we brought we sports resort over to we you but it's like an online rental subscription service thing of a jigger please be excited to pay rental fees this is the part of the podcast where I'm kind of wondering if anybody's still listening all right that'd be interesting to see all right anyways I think it's gonna do it 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