 Was it wherever you'll be live where we'll be live or we Nate and I Live stream our end of the podcast Yeah, it's live stream to our patrons Okay, fair enough fair enough. Oh, it's just chicken. Yeah Yeah, and there's yeah, there's only like one maybe two viewers We Um live stream our end of the podcast. Oh, yeah, I mean my stream to our patrons. You might want to mute There we go Yeah, no Just let me know when I should start recording Oh, she just just started recording. Okay. Yeah, go for it. Okay, we'll do that sure Can you yourself in the other person's audio so that will be difficult to to maintain Darren you good to go Yes, I am good to go. All right. We're almost starting on time. What is this your things gonna come up? What your kickstart it's gonna come up green screen This is gonna be funny, so it's just gonna be see-through. It's gonna be funny as hell Sadly you want to experience that side of it All right, let's uh Let's uh, well before you guys recording, right? So yeah, well, what we'll do is a quick three two one and then on like when I when you would say zero We all clap that just helps an editing a little bit So let's just get that out of the way. So three two one three two one All right, that'll close enough All right, you guys ready yeah, sir. All right Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the Nintendo Prime podcast. I believe this is episode 58 Yes, someday. I need to just I know what I need over on the door. I should put up a sign Yeah, that just has the podcast number listed and I just change every week like one of those ripoff calendars Yes, until you forget to change it. No, I'm gonna leave that to you. It's not I can blame you right just one more thing I could blame you guys. All right This is also an interesting podcast for another reason not just our special guests this week Which we'll get to in a moment. This is the first podcast We are doing from our brand new setup in our studio. Hopefully for you guys The only thing you notice is Eric and I are just more cozy How you doing how you doing another thing It's cool about this debut of this new area that we're recording in is we have matching headphones for the first time in podcast history. Whoa And they're blue. They are So there's that Anyways as always you're joined by mr. Eric Moore over here. Hello, and Darren our other I'm not gonna call you close yet You got to make every episode for that I've been doing good. I have what was the last time I missed an episode the entire month of February Time on the February. Well, I mean I that's that was a hiatus And then before that was it was like a year Yeah, it was like a year. Yeah I'm back now back for good. Yeah, hopefully can't wait for you to get that fiber internet at your parents house Um, and to this year nice and we are joined by I'm Probably gonna butcher this because I heard him say earlier that no one ever gets it, right Uh-huh, and I wasn't listening to the way that Darren pronounced it. Is it Nintendo? Yeah, that's correct. Yes nice nailed it. Hey That's in so we have Nintendo on our channel and actually this is nice to end with him introducing because our very first topic is actually gonna Just be talking about a little bit Whatever he's comfortable talking about what he does because the thing is is I honestly don't know what you do And yet I've seen your name come up on so many different Nintendo websites over the years. It's crazy I you did like some YouTube videos I remember getting some trailers and some stuff off your YouTube channel before I've seen you pop up on my gold Nintendo and game explain and like all these places and like I don't actually know what this guy does because he's everywhere You got your hand and like all the big Nintendo pots Basically that's how I started and that's how I and someday I suppose Um Yeah crazy enough because last week I've been doing this like talking about Nintendo games for 12 years Wow nice when did you start doing that like what like what? 2006 like the last year of Gamecube start of we okay, okay cool so um You're just somebody who knows a lot and talks a lot We yeah, I also play a lot with the job. I suppose you have your own you have your own YouTube channel correct Yes, I have my own YouTube channel. Well, I had one starting 2006 and then That one got shot by down by YouTube. I still don't know how that exactly happened Around 2008 and then I started just started the new one from scratch and that's basically where I end up right now Um But it's much more than that because much more before YouTube I was already writing and doing podcasts and what have you the only difference is like the first year and a half It was only almost in my own language, which is Dutch But after that I rolled into I became friends with people of a British podcast that is not sadly not around anymore They were also a very data dedicated Nintendo podcast, which were around for quite some time And from there I kind of rolled into everything that was starting with go Nintendo I did a little bit of freelance work for what was before Nintendo life. We were world. I I Basically end up everywhere and nowhere and my current lineup basically is doing news news on go Nintendo Writing proper articles like lengthy articles on a Nintendo waterport doing videos for game explaining on my own channel and having a podcast where I talk about Nintendo e-shop games called the e-shop action committee and Sometimes doing some freelance work for an Dutch Nintendo website and for NF magazine. Oh Nice NF magazine is one tenor force Yeah, that's I mean that's a lot of stuff Well, yeah, it's I Think constantly evolving over the last 12 years like I started with one side and now it's like Basically four or five and sometimes to do some freelance work in between it never sort of ends now Which especially with the switch is not really a great thing at the same time I Found myself constantly adjusting between GameCube to we to we to we you and now to we use switch And it has been going well so far and I've been having a blast right now Okay That I mean, that's the thing like doing this kind of work. I haven't worked for the wide breadth of sites that you have Sure, but I you know my history is obviously Our audience knows but I've ran seldom former for nine years Co-founded game Nizia And Yeah, then enjoyed wiki well Metroid wiki as well. Yeah, I'm at your wiki. No Founded that before I sold that off because it was just too much for me to handle at the time And then yeah now Nintendo Prime and I couldn't be more thrilled to be at Nintendo Prime Not just because it's my own thing The last time that something was literally all me was well Metroid wiki So like it's weird to like everyone knows me from Zelda former and it's like that's great I mean Without me there, maybe you wouldn't even know what the other former is but Or was was at this point. There's no longer exists But yeah, yeah, I love like I am a huge Nintendo fan, obviously You probably know a lot more than me on the whole Well, yeah, I have been Traveling stopped since I was like 16. Yeah, so now I'm almost 2829 and I'm starting to feel kind of old, but I'm nonetheless still interested in what I'm doing. Yeah Yeah, I mean, that's the thing to do what you do as long as you've done it. It requires a lot of passion Yeah, absolutely. I Mean at start basically just for fun like I wanted to write just for fun and then I rolled into this whole scenario where it's like Kevin of go Nintendo asked me some do you want a new you do news for us? And then I was like, I'm gonna do some YouTube videos and what have you and I Never stopped. I had never the intention to stop and It's sort of really continue that way into like a 12 year cycle now Man Intense see it the whole reason like normally when we have guests on I don't like have a whole topic That's about the guest, but I was just so I I'm like man. Who is this guy? I see him everywhere Because I go to all these sites. I get my news from these sites I I follow I mean I think I even follow you on Twitter and I have for a long time And I'm just like I don't I don't really know who this guy is He just pops up everywhere and seems to always know what he's talking about It's awesome It's also comes with time, you know, yeah, I have to realize that the first game game I played I was two years old Yeah, I've been gaming for 26 years And it basically came from a different necessity it didn't actually come from just enjoying video games I was born with a a health disparagement which comes down to I had very little oxygen at birth and my My immune system as well as my Motorix were not very old at good So my parents basically let me play video games to ensure that motorix were a bit more engrasped that I could Let have my hands a little bit less shaky Early goons was even the thing of me maybe going into a wheelchair and 26 years later, I'm not in a wheelchair and I have my life kind of sort of to thank for video games That's amazing man. That is I did not know anything. Yeah, that's awesome That's a tensile. I'm really glad that you're on the better end of what could have happened Yeah, I still suffer from it like on a daily basis. It's never going to go away. It's a permanent thing but it could have been a lot worse if my parents Saw the music and they did my my dad already loved games with the other 2600 So he sort of through that knowledge onto me and it helped me in a very different way than just enjoying playing a video game Yeah, I mean, I hear you that's Video games man, they can really make a difference in people's lives more more than a lot of people even realize More than my mom definitely realizes. Yeah, my mom's an always against what I do But that's all right not everyone can't expect the whole world to understand even my fiance doesn't really fully understand What it takes to do what we do And a lot of it is just we love it I mean, it it's almost like it's a part of us in terms of you know gaming's always been there People haven't always in my life, but gaming always has now my children will hopefully always be there because they should all live me Definitely a passion Hobby that's just an escape Yeah It's it's it's been more than an escape for me It has been so much more like it has been my my guiding key F. I've been very depressed. It has been my My help if I need some help from my motorics It has been I still use we fit now to this very day for that specific reason Because it's really helped me in the long run to There's so much to video games that I appreciate and as things become wider and more diverse I'm actually happy that it becomes that way That's awesome. All right Let's talk about games right it's over here. I think right this is a video game podcast What yeah, what yeah, so we didn't do our topic run out earlier So just so people know our the first gaming topic we have here. We're gonna be talking about What happens like like what we want to happen with games in the future in terms of This trend or I don't know if it's a trend yet. It's a couple games that performance modes and quality modes that change up resolution and frame rates on switch in particular and then The next topic after that deals with Us picking out a franchise or a specific game in a franchise that we want to come on switch in the future And give a basic design principles behind like what are our desires for that game? What what what would cater to us specifically and then if we get to the fourth topic is literally if there's anything on our minds We want to talk about this happen this past week. I didn't pick out any particular news items or anything because I Might have to have Eric or Darren start picking on a new stop because I literally spent all day talking about news So it's like I'm already making videos what news all the time So it's really hard for me like this what's interesting to you guys because I've already talked about this stuff Yeah Unless it's obviously like an intended director or whatever that's that kind of writes itself for a podcast So let's just get it right right into our second topic, which I'll just kind of go through the summary So rocket league is adding a new performance and quality mode options on April 3rd And what's interesting about that is obviously that the performance mode is essentially what it is now where it runs at What's essentially a locked 60 FPS, but it has Dynamic resolution scaler and then there is the quality mode which runs at locked 1080p and dock mode locked 720p Importable, but a locked 30 FPS instead, and then it also increases some quality settings That are not enabled currently and then fire emblem warriors is actually one of I think it might be the first game on switch That actually did this and then that was last year Where they also have a quality performance mode, which is essentially again 60 FPS and you know variable for but not variable frame rate variable resolutions and then The quality mode, which is the highest you know resolution possible with 30 FPS. So what I want to kind of talk about with this or try to steer the conversation is Is this something we want to see more games just do in general for all of gaming and then Does this make sense to keep doing these kind of things on switch because I haven't personally seen a lot of examples of games on other platforms that have done this there are some that have but Have done it it where it seems to be these these bigger more recognizable titles doing it Right. Yeah Darren, what are your thoughts? I Like options always always options because they're optional You know what might what might be the preference of one person, you know The locked 1080p or 720p with 30 frames per second, you know, someone might like that better than the 60 frames per second but visually The resolution is lower. I It's it's interesting because games like this current gen games have to take somewhat of a hit Graphically because they have to you know be able to run on the switch as a portable device so I think More so on switch. This is necessary and I think it's a good idea for developers to implement those options on switch where You know games do have to run a little more poorly On other consoles. I I mean not really needed. I don't think but definitely on switch It's good to have that option What's interesting you say that because I haven't owned a PlayStation 4 this generation, but I've had an Xbox one I also have you know a gaming capable PC and Like this kind of option is almost similar to what PC's have right like obviously there's a little more customization Right, but you're sure yeah, you're choosing do you want lower frame rates with higher visuals or higher frame rates with lower visuals essentially what you're choosing and I love that on PC. It's one of the the greatest things about PC gaming is play the game the way you want to play it As long as it's optimized well enough because obviously there's some games that come on the support of the optimizes doesn't matter how you want to run it It ain't gonna run Have more options. Yeah, and that's just but that's like the big benefit of PC gaming plus all the mods you can do and all that stuff but What I liked about seeing this happening on switches I'm like why wasn't this a thing in gaming sooner because like you mentioned how other systems You know you don't really think they need to do it most of the games and other systems aren't running at 60 FPS Like that's not actually standard in the console world. They're awesome stuff, but I always feel like because to me personally There are times resolution matters a little bit more than frame rate Anything that relies on you seeing a long way So say you're playing like a sniper game like sniper elite or whatever Like being able to have a high enough resolution to seat on that scope really far away Might matter a little bit more than that 60 FPS gameplay For some people where other people would rather have the smoother gameplay. I mean ideally we have everything, right? Right, right. We have the high-end stuff with the 60 FPS So the counter argument to that is not every single game needs customization options. Okay There's a good chunk of games that Developers have thought a very long time about how they would run Like the very best way on the system because a system like the switch the place for an Xbox one Have like locked specs. Nothing will necessarily change about them so the majority of games that you come across say LA no war is a good example of this While I would have liked to maybe have some more Options there for the most part regardless if I'm playing it in handheld or on the television. It just runs well Sure. Mm-hmm. I mean Eleanor Mars a really interesting case too Just because Like when I think about the other systems, right and like they're you know, they have their set specs But still there's even some games because I'm really noticing this a lot with the PlayStation 4 pro and the Xbox one X where The games will come out and be like look you can run it at 4k, you know, whether it's variable You know, whatever but 4k and 30 FPS or you could drop it to 1440p and run it at 60 FPS and I feel like it's one of those things that like like L.A. Noir is an example. I own it on PC. I played it at 60 FPS It's amazing. I played it at 30 FPS on consoles. It's still a really damn good game I mean the game the FPS isn't gonna determine whether or not a game is good or not But I also feel like there's that that thing on home consoles specifically where The I like having options like as an example, I play a hell of a lot of NBA 2k 18 on switch but you know Objectively when I play it on other platforms at 60 FPS gameplay is just that much better and It's one of those things where I almost wish I had an option to maybe play the game at sub HD Especially when I'm portable, you know where I don't care if it's 720. What if I you know if it's 526 40 Whatever, but I get 60 FPS. I'm willing to sacrifice that But hold on. Are you expecting 2k to actually provide you with options? No, I'm good news for you. Okay. No, I mean, I'm say I would like options 2k is not going to give it But I look at wwe 2k 18 everybody What I don't understand with WWE 2k 18 is they like they released NBA 2k 18 And it wasn't nearly as broken as I mean, it's different teams difference. I get that Yeah, but it's like if one team just does such an amazing job. How can the other team not look at them and like learn something? I don't know. It's not like we're talking about talking about like 2k versus EA or something You're like you can cross talk to each other and figure out. Hey, how did you get like these things to run? Well on this platform. No, okay. Well, we're just gonna release it as is they should They should have refunded everyone who bought the switch version. Just let them keep the copy They're not gonna do that, but I'm I mean, it's just man WWE 2k 18 is such a mess on switch. I I Saw it yesterday physical install for 20 bucks already and it's dropping really fast by every month. It's still not worth it. Yeah, they know They have to pay me to play it. I Had to download like 26 gigs of data when I had to review it and man I am not getting that life back when I had to review that those 26 gigs. Oh I feel so so this is why I'm I'm almost glad that we're not at our $300 goal on patreon where I have to do game reviews because As much as I love game reviews that also sometimes means I have to review games that I just know already aren't good Like I've heard for people who already have it Because I know I hear people like oh, yeah, I got a review copy and dude the game sucks. I'm like, right Why does this? Oh, why does the performance way I approach them though for me? It's like I Don't go without knowing only like maybe the press release or a little bit of information I'm not gonna look any other body else's opinion and just play and see how I like it Yeah, well, the only thing I ever get from people That I know I have copies. I just asked how does it perform though? I mean, I don't need your opinion on you know mechanics or like Okay, does does it play a 30 FPS or is it like 30 FPS but runs at 10? Or is it WWT where it runs like five at times Even worse Worse for me, it's usually it's usually not the question I would ask though like performance is great at all Like I think performance is a really in school part of the experience. Yeah, but I would whether know if the gameplay is good or not Oh, yeah, no, I heard you're saying in general obviously like when you're looking at people who have the game and you're trying to get opinions but I'm weird. I don't look at reviews when I buy games Sure, and part of that's just because I'm kind of sort of in the industry and Done things and I want my my my opinions to be not necessarily tainted by somebody else's But that's why I always go because like I still I don't get review copies you normally at least not yet We're not in the ambassadors program yet. So I sit back and I'm like, you know If I'm going to I have a set budget if I'm going to buy this game this month I need to know if it's something that I am even going to Get to the point where I can judge the gameplay and that's why I asked what performance and like I can't remember for Is Andre or someone who told me that That like this thing just runs like crap and I'm like, well, okay Well, I'm not gonna drop 60 bucks on launch day Then for a game that I'm not really even going to be able to play Like I can't judge the gameplay because it performed a good good example that was rhyme rhyme was really terrible And that's why I haven't picked it up now. I know they they fixed it. Yeah, they have so I'm actually it's not Necessarily fantastic, but it just runs good now I'm hoping I'm hoping for one more update that makes it a little smoother and then I'll pick it up I guess I think I wait for it. I'm not saying performance is all that matters But like for me, yeah, of course performance is a big deal And that's why I look at this thing like when that we see options and rock coming to rocket league and fire I'm the more is and I'm gonna sit and I'm like, why isn't this a thing in gaming more often? I've says that it's happening. I think because because it basically comes down to a lot of optimization for those both to Like the developers of the Warriors games even don't usually do that I don't know why they include in this specific instance because if you know, I have been playing the Japanese version of Hyrule Warriors definitive edition the performance of that has been greatly improved But I added no additional options to it to make it even if it's move or To have like 60 frames per second. Yeah Mm-hmm. Yeah, that was the number one thing I that would have made me consider because I'm not I'm not picking up the definitive edition I've already bought the game twice already sunk hundreds and thousands of hours into Hyrule Warriors Like I I have no desire to pick it up again, but what would have made me consider it was okay Can I play it a 60 FPS? That was always my issue and the other platforms that it was 30, but it was it's a warrior I will tell you enough for it for its specific audience which are warriors fans in particular because who is gonna pick up the game for the third time and they're in But for the people who for the majority of the audience who play warriors games for the FPS is actually preferred over 60 Hmm That's I find that interesting Mm-hmm. I really do find that interesting. Well, here's my thing Regardless of a game runs at 30 FPS to 60 FPS What I care is that it runs at 30 FPS and 60 FPS It's sure it's a dips like Hyrule Warriors on Wii U. It was 30 FPS But they had a lot of dips and but like I played warrior games before warrior games have always had dips It's never really been a series that hasn't had then you will be glad to know that's the new switch edition doesn't have any Dips well, and that was the crazy thing when I like when I was playing Fire Emblem warriors I'm like, you know what this is running really silky smooth Mm-hmm. What did they do? How did switch? Fix their issues like what what were they able to figure out and I was hoping they would at least bring it You know, I was hoping they would have brought the performance and quality modes to Hyrule Warriors. I was obviously mistaken, but It could always hope hope and dream Hey, they still haven't fixed rank quest heroes one and two on Nintendo switch. Of course they haven't It still runs like WAPAR sub 30. Yeah, see and that's and that's why when I know people that have copies of the game Like, you know, just tell me how it performs. I'll formulate my own opinion Like I'll read reviews after I know I'm not gonna buy the game like I read WWE 2k 18 reviews after I'm like, oh, I'm definitely not buying it because this runs like garbage. Mm-hmm, right, you know Like NBA 2k 18 when I bought it it had some issues into my career mode, but I don't really play the game for my career I'm more of a online play franchise mode guy And yeah, I was missing like the ability to play with friends at the time But I'm like, well, they said they might add that in later So, you know what? I'm just gonna pick it up because I really like NBA 2k 18 or I really am sports games on sports I'm a sports simulation guy Still upset that we haven't had a real version of Madden on the Nintendo console since the GameCube days, right? I think but but going back to the question at hand I Don't necessarily think it needs to be in the gaming as a whole There only specific instances where it makes sense like Xbox one X and PlayStation 4 programs Obviously, I don't necessarily think it would make sense in the switch environment particularly the switching between handheld and TV mode might make it a bit more complicated in in their say sure no, I The switch adds the complications of having to two target specs and having to switch seamlessly between them obviously It seems to be working just fine for most developers But right a lot of developers are also not necessarily always taking advantage of anything Induct mode with the extra power besides hey, we're just gonna throw 1080p at you Or maybe if it's a variable You know resolution thing then they will just it'll run at the higher resolution more often And that's fine. I think for the most part that's fine for many games Obviously a lot of games are gonna target the handheld and then see what else they can do once they put it in dock mode Right because I mean that's the bot that that's the bottom base specs that you know It has to run on this because it'll run on it'll run when it's overclocked Um So Eric, I'm gonna throw this at you because I I'm really torn on this kind of thing because I Played a PC games for a long time High frame rates to me is vastly superior to anything else that I've ever done in gaming It doesn't matter resolution doesn't matter to me I could be looking at the blurriest thing ever But if that thing is running at 100 FPS and I'm silky smooth and it all the controls are responding perfectly every time With me not noticing the frame drops obviously they happen But it's running at such a high frame rate that it is imperceivable to my perception And you play games as well like that. Yeah What are your thoughts on having like these these 60 FPS and these 30 FPS modes in games? Especially on switch, which again obviously has more limitations, right? No for sure I'm not necessarily saying that they have to be in there But options are nice options like Darren said are optional. They are very very nice to have Well, I mean it's gonna add to the development, right? No, no for sure And I think as long as they can implement it correctly I'm okay waiting a little bit longer for games as long as it's implemented correctly though what no like I am like I'm okay waiting for games that they tell us the specific reason is for these modes, right? I want them, right? but I also How much games right now look at the game she wants to play Yeah, but like like how small like imagine if they say we're gonna delay smash bros Yeah, an extra two months because we want to add 60 FPS 30 FPS modes. I was gonna be like who cares about crap I want to say it. It's done. Who cares about these these just give us the one option and just hatch it in Yeah, patch it in later. Yeah Which is exactly what they're doing with the rocket league right it I don't know They're nice to have Not necessarily required If they could do it properly Let's say Rocket League Implements it and it runs perfectly This might be a good way to go about it where they just kind of patch it in and sure they release the game How it is and then well at least eventually get down the road give you the option to have options Well, I think my thought process on this is that I There's very few games that I don't want running at least 60 FPS because I grew up, you know way back in the day playing World of Warcraft But like playing NES and playing SNES and all the stuff and like all the games ran at 60 FPS Yeah, because that was the refresh rate of the TV. Yeah, so the consoles ran at that refresh rate Every single game is 60 Not a Europe you put stuck in your opinion where we're all 50. Oh 50. Yeah. Yeah. Oh god. I feel so bad for Europeans Especially today, especially today when they're trying to play those classic consoles. Oh man But like I grew up with it So like it was really jarring going from that to the PlayStation 1 and N64 era where like no most games aren't running at 60 FPS anymore most aren't even hitting 30 and Yeah, that's just the way it's gonna be because 3d gaming is more taxable Can I ask a side question to that? Sure. Sure. Do you think that the N64 PlayStation any We conclude Saturn or there because that's part of that era Do you think that era in general holds up any at all or it's to some only to some agree? Um It's a good question. I Think I Man, you know what? I don't if we're just looking at this from the perspective of I'm someone with no experience playing the games Like a never play a big girl don't have don't have that nostalgia glasses on and yes Yeah, and I like I'd like say I introduced my kids and say hey kids. Here's Super Mario 64 But they played Odyssey I Pretty sure that they're gonna want to go back and play Odyssey instead I Agree, I think that I bring this up because I On a recent podcast I made the fair controversial statement that I believe that that era of games Don't really hold up anymore as most people think that they did There are there are Examples of course, but you need to have at least had experience with the game to at least appreciate them Sure. Mm-hmm. What I think a good a good thing that kind of proves that today is The reception of a game like ukulele Which right held a lot of the same it was basically Built with the exact same things that made Banjo-Kazooie so great back in the day But if to a lot of people today that like well, we've moved beyond that We've made it better and you're not really doing it better. You're retreading things From that era which works for some people it worked for me Mm-hmm. I I really enjoy ukulele, but I also Like that was a big part of my childhood was that era So like it taking me back to that era is fine But for you know, and even my son kind of likes it although he keeps getting stuck because again Like games have gotten to this point where he should be able to get past where he's at But he can't yeah, because that's just not what games are like anymore so Yeah, because I remember reading a bunch of reviews at ukulele and just people being like yeah It it does a lot of good things like the old Banjo-Kazooie games But then it kept all the bad things that gaming has moved fast, and I'm like, okay Well, yeah, you know what I mean you can necessarily disagree with that like I can't it's it's it's it's it's a take either way Like you have your roast in the glasses of that era and still enjoy those type of games Or you don't and there is no really a good in between there I think that ukulele I tried to bridge the gap between the two yeah Yeah, then we really work out totally in the air. I feel like they should have just committed one way or the other I Think they should have to but it's it's really hard, especially since games like you said are Becoming so fast and different from what they were like say 10 years ago And even like further beyond that like I think the period between The n64 game cube was a really weird period and I still think that games hold up better But it still represents a really weird period even if by Nintendo standards But looking back at it now I I have some funds for some games, but others I Could take it or leave it sure Yeah, I mean and that's You know that's really true in general I think there's a reason that I feel like a lot of SNES games hold up better today Then the n64 and PlayStation 1 and even you know even getting into the Dreamcast and GameCube eras and all that stuff because There's just something about that era where everything was new everything was exciting There was you know when games got it right they got it right and those are the games that everyone remembers You know the golden eyes the perfect darks the Ocarina of Times the Majora's masks and all that stuff the crashes of the world, but You know and then you remember the ones that got it wrong like Sonic But it You remember it for one of the two extremes. Yeah, right at it right or they got it wrong wrong and I would still remember. Oh Yeah, Z targeting Actually happened in Mega Man before that but that Mega Man game sucks, so no one wants to talk about it It's It's just a very weird era in gaming. It's one that if you grew up in it. You loved it. Yeah, absolutely Yes, I because Everything is something you've never seen before Whereas in today's gaming There are still things that happen that you've never seen before But our expectation levels are we expect The unexpected now back then we didn't know what to think game games had Well, you know, there were some arcade stuff in 3d. Obviously some PC games, but we didn't really know what that meant for in-home gaming and Like as an example like I remember Doom and Duke Nukem being like these huge games even Unreal Tournament the first one on PC like oh man These are awesome games on PC. Like how is that ever gonna translate to a shooter on a console? There's no mouse and keyboard. They can't make that work and They did yeah Games are constantly involving and becoming better. So any generation you see Stuff that wasn't previously possible before now being possible. I for example never expected to say See Diablo 3 I'm at PlayStation 3 running as well as it did. Oh, yeah I can't believe that ran that well Or or getting portal to have a connection with steam on a console right Like they're still surprised every generation, but it's still or Sonic or the Nintendo platform, right? Yeah, I think currently this generation Nintendo's the surprise Mm-hmm. Yeah, I feel like Sony did yeah, yeah, I feel like Sony did what was expected of them Yeah, I think that they Listen to the criticism of the PlayStation 3 and did their console justice even though I think that some of the parts of their controller could have had more time in the oven. Yes Xbox one is really training behind and they have made some unfortunate missteps along the way and They still sometimes do I think that they're kind of Getting grasp of whether standing and just accepting it. Yeah Especially especially with game pass now I think they did a they made a really strong move to just make an affordable console with just one sort of subscriber system Yeah, they base. I really like Xbox is doing things really different and I feel like they're doing it because They they just feel like that's where they best fit like one. They have the most powerful console, you know out there That you could buy okay cool. Yeah, okay great I mean not everyone's gonna buy it, but you know what when you think power they want you to think Microsoft They don't want you to think Sony or Nintendo or anyone else they like look come to us We might not have all the all the amazing exclusive games, but we're gonna have all the games you like at You know the best resolution you could put on your TV or whatever if you happen on a 4k TV So that's great and then they also say but obviously that's a very small part of the consumer base So for everyone else look, we're gonna try to make gaming cheaper We say look, you know, we're gonna try to get more exclusive games to make the game pass more enticing so you get all these new exclusive games for 10 bucks a month and So when the skill bound come That's my most disloyal When all of Microsoft's exclusives come Oh They have some to be fair last years and every one of the planes about that. Here's the funny part, right when scale bound was Well, the production of it was discontinued They mentioned four games. I'm gonna cry all those four games got delayed to two to the year they were after Yeah, well, yeah, and like crackdown three was gonna be a big deal Especially because those are gonna show off their their cloud computing stuff Not got delayed. I think they only showed off Terry Cruz, but that's okay Ain't nothing wrong with that. Yeah, more Terry Cruz for that more Terry Yeah Yeah, it's it's a very interesting the way the game the game is gone and yeah I mean and this kind of gets to the whole like I was surprised when Fire Emblem Warriors had quality options One because a Warriors game that's never ran at a stable frame rate Now you're telling me you could run at two different types of frame rates stably really well You could do a why why wasn't this being done in the past and then you know And now they're doing it with broccoli, which is obviously a bit of an easier game to do that with But I just say I'm like I grew up with 60 FPS gaming up until n64 That's what it was on PC for me for the most part That's what it was on consoles then they took it all away from me and we've never really gotten back to it It's not because the consoles can't do 60 FPS all of them have been able to after that era basically but We got to that point where visual fidelity became a better selling point than you know your games run smooth And it's gotten to that point now where anything is a I don't I kind of agreed to a point that 30 FPS isn't bad It's not as Eric mentioned before as long as as long as it's locked. It's fine Yeah, if it's locked the non-locked it can be an issue like I think doom on switch runs great But there are so a few moments here and there where you're like Okay, that just took me out of the game for right for me right as long as it doesn't drop more than like two or three frames You're not gonna really notice it at least unless it's a screen tear right well, right, right, right, but Yeah, it's but but but the selling is I still play games at 60 FPS And that's kind of the I think for people who don't regularly play games at 60 FPS anymore They just don't care Mm-hmm unless there are people that you know are obviously they call duty players You know what a better man spend gears in performance wise when menus are six frames per second by the game itself is furry Yeah, yeah, it happened with Kirby star allies recently like the menus are 60 but the game itself is furry Yeah, I didn't understand that That is weird If you're like I didn't notice it at first But I was recording some footage over the other day for some videos and I'm like wait a second This no Like I didn't even know they were doing that. No, I just noticed it I'm like why is this way smoother than the gameplay like this is actually making the gameplay look feel worse to me What if you have one frame rate stick to it? Don't write you pass I don't mind if they want to change the resolution of right like if they say look your UI is gonna be 1080p But the game itself might run at sub 1080p just for performance reasons fine You're doing that because you want to make the UI easy to read That's like there's like that's a lot of people like look if you're gonna have you know overlays and stuff Like we want to be able to read them if you make those blurry. Well, no, right, but that's not a frame rate You have a jarring frame rates within the yeah, it's just I Wasers I wonder why those decisions are even made Like what benefits of the menu system doesn't matter if it is a game 60, but the menus are gonna look amazing We want people to boot it up and think it's 60 for a moment And then it's also it's it's a weird hell thing because their Previous free mainline Kirby games which were returned to dreamland than the two 3ds games or ran fully at 60 Yeah, huh. Yeah, well, and it's weird too because like they they they make at times They make 60 sound like it's a big deal right like obviously for games like Mario Kart, you know that matters smash bro Of course it can matter what those are more twitchy stuff You have to you have to have that smoothness or you're just gonna feel off a little bit But like even in like Odyssey they're like look we want this game to run at 60 So we're gonna do whatever it takes to make it run at 60 and I'm like that's great I'm glad that you are dedicated to doing that But then like I jump from that and then I jump back in the breath of the wild Which yes is a little bit slower-paced game, but I'm like this does feel a little jarring jumping from that smooth 60 to 30 that isn't even rock solid 30 and breath of the wild and I understand but the wild different situation we your game Portable I understand that like it wasn't made for the ground up for the platform So maybe the next cell the game might be able to target 60 because they've done 60 and sell it before just for the Top-down games. I look forward to tease two years down the line and then coming to the next system eventually No, you mean you mean coming out in 2020 and then delayed to 2021 and then delayed to 2022 for the new platform and then oh I can't make launch for that So now we're delaying it again, and now it'll be there for the switch to XL, right? right I mean, I hope that's not the case I I really hope that they have a quicker file. No, no, sorry. It's the switch to XL plus Sorry, the new Nintendo switch 2ds 2ds There's a brief I mentioned this before there was a brief moment in time when I ran a website called new Nintendo Yeah, it was me branching off from Zeldin former like doing basically doing what Nintendo Prime is now and Literally like three months later. They end out the new Nintendo 3ds, and I'm like what Did you they stole it from who took my name they stole it from you What are you doing? It was a terrible name when I made it Still a terrible name. Yeah, there should never be a name for a product This is how we're gonna confuse people the new Nintendo 3ds The ultimate confusion is the new Nintendo 2ds XL Yeah, I actually think the new Nintendo 2ds XL is the best version of 3ds I mean true at the same time. It's the worst name. It's so it was a terrible name It's the worst of them all terrible name well The thing is is I mean obviously 3ds centered up selling well at the end of the day and and all the games that okay, but when my parents got my my two oldest children 2ds is for Christmas and it would be gotten the standard 2ds's and They were confused and so were the store clerks because you know You have the 2ds and the 2ds XL and the new Nintendo 2ds and all this stuff like all this stuff going on and Not all the games work on all the platforms So like I think it was Minecraft or something or whatever that my mom had gotten my daughter and Minecraft only works on the new Nintendo 3ds But then she's like but she doesn't have a 3ds and the guy at the store said it would work on the 2ds Yeah, on the new Nintendo 2ds XL it will work But this is really confusing because all the naming conventions are all messed up that the guy at the store doesn't know He really doesn't know he's guessing Well, even though it says on the package only for new whatever right doesn't say new Nintendo 2ds Well, and they Nintendo's naming convention is just terrible because they ran into that same situation with the Wii in the Wii U Yeah, there was a lot of a lot of people a lot of people going out and going oh this will work for this, right? Yeah, just a peripheral well and part of that was a really bad marketing putting the tablet at the front and center of all the boxes And everything and all the ads like okay, so that little box in the back that looks like a Wii Just looks like a Wii on the side and oh the Wii U so like oh all these games to say Wii U on it Just need that tablet thing right Oh Man should I just it made a we HD in 2010 anyways Pipe dreams of my pipe dreams of my past pipe dreams of my past that never happened I guess for a brief moment of time I agreed with Michael Pachter That's the technically if they combined the two chips in the Wii together It would have been technically plausible to do that, but they didn't and that's what sucks No, they kept the two chips separately, but if they combined like the The chip of the GameCube, but we don't remember exactly what it was called No, I don't want to chip with the chip of Wii then then together they could have done something similar in that vein But they never did that which is really weird. Yeah, and yeah It is and then for those are wondering why I even mentioned I made a video last year my alternative history one where I'm like what would have happened if instead of the Wii U Being what it was it was just we HD in 2010 Instead of two instead of two years of saying that HD development was hard We would have had it for four years. Yeah, you would have had it for what were almost been a full cycle alongside the other HD twins and Yet all that time to upgrade your games and repackage them as HD and blah blah like I don't know It just to me would have been especially at that time when 20 2009 heading into 2010 is when we moment to really slow down game wise And it's like you really like that's when I was perfect timing to hit a refresh and Just too little too late and lots of other I still remain that even if they did that instead of two years saying that HD development is hard with what it for four years Sure, because remember at the beginning of the Wii U life cycle. They said oh, there aren't too many games because HD development is hard Oh That was to date that is still one of the weirdest things Nintendo's ever said. It's like yeah Everyone figured that out like ten years ago Except for you guys because you didn't go to HD Like did you not bother to talk to any of your third-party partners that have been developing HD games for a decade? They could they could have told you that you need more manpower. You need a plan better accordingly You need a higher upscale. No, no, that's not that's not actually getting the information. Let's just Repeat what everyone did ten years ago. Hey, Nintendo is very Nintendo's gonna They're very inclusive in a lot of the thought process. They don't look at the outside world very often Which is kind of it kind of sucks that they're like that to be honest Because I feel like there's a lot of things going on On other systems and other platforms that is Nintendo looked at it. They could do it better in their own way Like they're claiming they're trying to do a voice chat 4k switch, please 4k switch Wow So I'm getting my stop getting my pipe dreams going in my dream system is I'll pay a thousand bucks I don't care for a 4k switch that can like run almost like PlayStation 4 level I or PlayStation 4 pro like I would just be all up on that but To grand baby, but like it would be such a low-selling system. Oh, yeah for sure Yeah, it's I love the switch it's done a lot of great things but Nintendo is still Nintendo and when everyone tells me that they're that they've changed. I'm like voice chat through an app on my phone Very Nintendo thing to do. Yes. Yes, it is Deciding they want to charge for online a year and a half into the life cycle of the system because they weren't ready for it at launch very Nintendo thing to do Apparently now that's why that's why they have no Smash Brothers, right? Yeah, right? Yep Like I don't care about all the Wii U ports. That's fine. Bring them all over most people that want to switch I've never touched those games, but yeah Man, I don't know some Nintendo is still the company We know and love and also get frustrated with it the same time and confused by But it is what it is. I I swear you there will be an announcement of another Wii U port that's e-free Oh, yeah, I To guarantee I put I put 10 bucks on new Super Mario waters No, I hope so. I never played new Super Mario Brothers you to be honest And there we go again with the new Well, that was to be fair that was and will be in the name of that whole series of games But aren't they going to keep to you though? That's what will be interesting part New super brother switch. I wonder if we we fit trainers still going to be in Smash Bros Well, yeah, because they're clearly gonna be porting we fit at E3. Yeah Which I mean if they do it's whatever Hey, man Oh, Nintendo, I love you, but sometimes it's frustrating. Oh, it's a lot of loss like eight subs because you said that Oh, yeah, yeah, this this is the sub losses. Oh critical of Nintendo there goes there goes half my subs. Um That's all right I guess we went to the next topic here This is good This should be a fun one because I haven't even had a chance to put a lot of thought in it I just kind of came up with it on the spot. I said, you know what? This is fun All right, so this topic is where we pick a franchise each of us pick a game franchise Whatever that we want to come on switch and give our ideal basic design principles To suit our personal desire. So this is a very personal thing. It doesn't have to appeal to everyone unless that's what you want it to do Um I mean, does anyone have a game in mind? Yes, okay, we'll go with Darren first then Darren is getting his notes up I mean notes. I didn't get I didn't give anyone prep time for this I wrote it a couple bullet points in the span of like five minutes Okay, that's out of like five All right, um as I've stated on this podcast before Um, I am pining away for a new Animal Crossing game Uh, that's not a spin-off. I was waiting for an hd Animal Crossing on the Wii U Never got it But I'm hoping this year next year we'll get what are you talking about there was Animal Crossing amiibo festival I uh, I don't uh recognize that What about that? What about the online uh lobby functionality thing they had that worked with you know what that was weird But I did have it and used it a little bit I admittedly I did too and it was still weird Yeah, it was but um, so basically One of my favorite Animal Crossing games Uh was Animal Crossing city folk on Wii and I know it's won a lot of people Yeah Some people say it could have been better, which it could have been I'm kind of hoping for a spiritual successor kind of a city folk too on switch That would basically you know, I'd be your basic Animal Crossing game paying off your debt at tom nook Doing favors for animals fishing whatnot Uh, but you know in city folk the city was Wasn't that much of a city it kind of looked like one, but you know as a very small area Um, you know when I first heard about the game I was you know of picturing off sprawling streets filled with new animals and And taxis and stuff like that But uh, you know that obviously wasn't the case and I and I did enjoy the city in city folk, but I liked the I forget what it was called in new leaf Or they had the designated like shopping area That was actually bigger and had more stuff. It just didn't look like a city It was a dirt road with buildings on alongside it They they they're called just main street there in new yeah main street. Okay. Thank you. Yeah, um But yeah, I I definitely would like a bigger, you know sub area Uh around, you know, kind of like a marketplace area But you know a city with streets and in a lot of buildings and you know, you got animals walking along Take tax your rides. You can go all over the place maybe online only, you know, you go around and and Have a bunch of people in the same city. I know it would be that would make that would make things already Pretty complicated from the get go because imagine this, right? Um, you're playing this in handheld mode. What then? Yeah, that that is a problem. I mean It made me single player only then um, I mean it'd be cool if you could go run around in there with Uh friends or just randos, but yeah, you're in handheld mode. You probably wouldn't have access to an internet connection Um, but also one thing I've been saying for a while is I definitely like A larger animal crossing, you know, main world I started like the original on gamecube. I felt like that was that was a pretty big map Yeah, at the same time, I think the size of that was a pretty was a bit unwieldy Yeah, I I had times it could be But I I just feel so confined. Um True And every animal crossing since then I feel more confined Whereas In the first one Not as much At least I feel with the other animal crossing games you get your casks done in the day I feel I felt always pretty lost with the gamecube one And maybe that's also because I was a bit younger at the time and that was my first experience of a game like that. But in hindsight, I still think that Um The size of that map and how it was set up in the original gamecube game Was maybe a bit too unwieldy and needs to be a sweet spot between what I did in New leave and there for sure because even though it can be a little bit bigger They shouldn't lose focus on what is important and maybe just include more Side areas next to your main town Yeah, this is this is true. You could have some more some more side areas. That would be interesting to see What sort of themes would be around that Around those areas Right, you know, they they've had the island in the past They had that new leave too In the main street area So it would be interesting to see what nintendo would come up with for that And another thing I really don't know if I even want this now Because voice chat is so messed up on switch with the app But it'd be cool to have voice chat animal crossing just because Having to type out on that keyboard with a cursor just is not my thing and I know switch has a touch screen, but still You can also connect a usb keyboard Yeah, yeah, I could then you know, did you guys also see that there is a A keyboard which you can attach two joycons to really Oh, yeah It's really weird, but it exists. All right, then you know what hey blizzard. I want world of warcraft on switch quick I got my keyboard. That's all I need And uh, another thing, uh, definitely if animal crossing had the next animal crossing on switch has a larger world Uh, I think it would be cool to have personal vehicles not not like a car or anything like that because I think that Would kind of destroy the the small town atmosphere, you know, I was just walking around but maybe a bicycle Rollerblades just just a little faster Hey, if you want you want the sequel to city folk and city folks biggest problem was The case of disappearing grass. So that would make for a whole new experience of disappearing grass This is true city folk a lot of grass disappeared. Yeah, that was a problem Yeah, I don't see a problem here at all But this time you'll do a motorcycle to destroy all of the grass in your town Yeah, right right of harley through uh, through your animal He's poured in the master cycle and call it yeah, right? Mow down flowers and crash into buildings. Oh boy. Yeah And I I know this probably won't happen But I would enjoy I Maybe not as like your first playthrough But this would unlock like after you've played a certain amount of days in the game or something sure But I I would like a map Map builder or an editor something like that terrain editor Just to see what kind of towns people would come up with um, I I feel like For my first playthrough, I'd like, you know, a procedurally generated Town or you know a specific layout that's been designed beforehand But it would be cool, you know to go back and make another town But make it to my specifications. I feel like that would that would add a new Layer to the game or you know going back and having a second playthrough After basically doing everything you wanted to do On your first town, you know make it worthwhile Yeah, don't worry. It'll be behind a 40 paywall DLC. Yeah. Oh Oh Eric is there a game that you have on mind for switch and what do you want it to do? Oh, gosh Well, I could go with the two obvious ones of Benji kazooie and or conquerors But I'm not The pipe dreams the pipe dreams. Yes um I am actually really wanting xcom Okay I absolutely love xcom And to be able to play it wherever I go Would just be absolutely fantastic We already got okay, but you look like xcom of rabbits and mario in it. Yeah I love mario plus rabbits kingdom battle All right There you go. Yeah, I do not the the thing is is it's like I love it I've been saying this all along mario plus rabbits kingdom battle is the best switch exclusive so far Oh, Nate. What what what's they right now? I don't I don't even know that's a surprise to you jaren. I've mentioned this on the podcast like four times. You're joking. Okay Yes, president. Well, technically is non exclusive Exactly is not exclusive and I like it more than odyssey. I like it more than fight on the warriors I like it more. Okay. I Love odyssey. So I love odyssey to odyssey to me is You're the second or third best mario game in my opinion But mario plus rabbit kingdom battle I just love the type of podcast. Nate cannot do it anymore He just broke We're kicking you out here on podcast. Just honestly mario games are above there what Which do mario games are above odyssey? uh galaxy two right now And okay, I totally disagree with galaxy two but go on it's okay And this is my my iffy one because I keep bouncing back and forth and I have to I have to go back and play a little bit It's super mario world Okay, good mario game. Good. So like that one holds my number two spot But it's really tepid because I'm not really completely done with odyssey yet So I don't have my full. I just know that odyssey is for sure top three. It's topped everything else um I could prefer number two maybe more than galaxy two Okay It's much more magical And I think that the screens the green stars can go die in a fire I don't feel any we're gonna say that when Okay Yeah, my my top three mario games are basically um world on we you I really I had such great couch co-op experiences with that game that just ranks so high on You know my most enjoyable times playing games Overall, it just it has to be up there. It's just such a well-designed game the visuals are amazing Music is amazing It's kind of it's not a 3d mario in the sense of odyssey sunshine and whatnot, but It's not, you know fully top down either. Sure. It's like in a lick between world I I just enjoyed that game so much and then my second In third probably a tie between odyssey and the original galaxy My or my favorite mario games super mario what is three? No, that's my first NES marios Yeah, then the super mario odyssey then the super mario 3d land Okay 3d land like on 3ds yes, really. Yeah, okay because Guess what my favorite mario game is mario free. Guess what the levels are based on a 3d land mario free There you go makes no There's some cool references to other franchises in that and everyone too. There are yeah, there's this elder reference in there Yeah, that's it. That was pretty cool. Sure Really really that I mean, I think it's one of those games I mean really land and world are those games that don't really get mentioned much anymore to Yeah today. I think I still hear some people mention land is a better game than world too I think that once again this the sequel curse comes into mario play here. I think that 3d land Felt more focused than 3d world. Yeah. No, I hear you It's kind of like with you know, I think mario galaxy is brilliant by the way Right. I mean it's absolutely brilliant game. Um, right And you know, I just think that When I replay galaxy one and two a couple of years ago I just found that I enjoyed galaxy two more But at the end of the day, it's really like It's really mario galaxy, you know One and then mario galaxy two it's like one a one b For me like they're the same game just It's almost like galaxy two could have argued just been dlc for galaxy one Like like they're just they're both so excellent like it's hard for me to even pick between them But I'm just like but I I don't know. I just I just enjoyed I found myself enjoying the platforming in two more than I did in one And that's just I can't do anything about that like one It's kind of like when I think back I'm like, okay, there's there's super mario bros and then there's uh, You know, we'll skip over two since it was just like going to the past just a very different game from one And then sure then you get to three and it's like well three is vastly superior to one But like one is what got it going to get to three And that's almost what I feel galaxy except different, you know, obviously the quality differences aren't that far apart Um, arguably not a part at all for some people like you're not going to recapture the magic that you got with galaxy one ever Like galaxy three can come galaxy four like yeah, you might feel nostalgic But you feel nostalgic because galaxy one Was that Yeah, that's why that's why I would never prefer galaxy two for galaxy one because galaxy one feels more special Yeah, yeah, oh and and that's why like like some people, you know We were talking earlier about n64 stuff like people will go back to this before but well nothing at all Ocarina of time for me because you know, it feels so special and I'm like, I understand that feeling But like that's never been that's the weird thing for me is I've always been able to look past like That initial feeling of wonder which I get that in a lot of games Uh, I got that breath of the wild I've gotten that in a lot of games But like as I play more and more games and as I get older and I'm in my 30s now and it's one of those things where Okay, now setting aside the just the immediate wonder of that first experience Does that game hold up in comparison to this other game and it might hold up But it might not be as good like Ocarina of time to me blew my mind when I was younger But then I played more Zelda games and more Zelda games and more Zelda games and as that happened I started realizing well, you know what? Yeah, it's a good game, but I like all these other Zelda games more Except Twilight Princess, Twilight Princess is another great 3D Zelda game I'm not gonna get into that to me I mean Twilight Princess isn't like my in my top five anyways, but I do have it ahead of Ocarina of time But that's some day we will have the Zelda conversation about Ocarina of time is so low on my legs Ocarina of time is way low on my Zelda list now because I like it's a great game Love it. That's interesting that Ocarina of time is low for you. It's not on my top five either I have a really weird taste not even in my top Mario and when it comes to the traditional Nintendo franchise like Mario and Zelda I have a really weird taste and I immediately admit that. Oh, yeah I have a very weird taste. My top five Zelda game list is weird Really weird. My if you ask me if you ask me my top three favorite Nintendo franchises, those are Fire emblem Pokemon and animal crossing. Sure Great games great franchise. Yeah I mean that can't go wrong with those. Um Let me see. So you went you went XCOM over there. Oh, yeah, which I guess makes sense I know how much you like XCOM plus on top of that Mario Plus Rabbids Kingdom Battle was like perfect for you because you like Mario. You love the rabbit. Oh, I love the rabbit Yeah, really really quick for you there um man I'm part of me wants to wave racer What we right now part of me wants to cop out and just talk about the next Zelda game and my desires for that Um, but I feel like I could go on and out for an hour About my desires for the for the next Zelda game Sure. Um, so I don't want to do that That feels like an entire podcast like I like I could literally have a whole podcast Just let's talk about the that might actually be an idea too. Like maybe once a month heaven Like let's talk about the future of this and that's just the whole podcast Um, that's actually something I've been meaning to do for a while because like I had the zelda increase podcast for a while I'm like, but that's just zelda. What if I want to have like let's talk about the future of mario Let's talk about the future like let's pick one ip and make that the whole podcast And then try to get guests that absolutely love those ip's because we know some we know some that love pokemon Little smash love animal crossing. We didn't have a smash cast and blah blah Um, we did have a smash cast. Yes Um, I should do more stuff like that. I think Remind me to try to throw that in the rotation once in a while We can find guests versus everything but you know, let's just build a whole podcast around the future of these franchises Um And always start with the history. Mm-hmm gotta look at where you've been to figure out where you're gonna go, right? Um, sure So Another part of me wants to say madden just because I'm gonna be keep begging for madden because I've been wanting a madden I'm a nintendo platform that isn't like a water down port Or some new fangled we play idea Uh forever and we still haven't got it. I thought we were gonna get it on we you and then no It was just the prior years version reskin, which a lot of people argue That's what it is every year But actually that sucked because that was the year they switched to the physics based engine And here you have a non physics based game Oh, I don't think it's the physics engine on other platforms that the wii is powerful enough to do they just didn't do it More there's a lot of things there too ea was already like not happy with nintendo at the time What we won't go too deep into that, but um So like I really want to come out and say that and then talk about all the things I want in that because I could also talk about that for an hour because that's how much I like sports games I think instead i'm going to go with one that I don't have a lot of demands for It's just something I want to see on switch and it's um very simple what they could do to make it appeal to me I almost said pokemon for a second, but that's not let's not go there. We've been down this road We know that that's not simple for me For the pokemon discussion. I'm making that appeal to me. It's not very simple. Yeah, I'm not even sure what I'm not even sure what would make it appeal to me. Um So I'm going to go with the franchise. We just haven't seen in a while and It's it this is how simple it is. I just want to see mother three on switch They don't have to do much to make it appeal to me That's interesting because there are some complicated stuff in there. There are very there is There's very complicated stuff in there like if anyone, uh, I won't dive too deep into it. Maybe just send Dan uh convention a few things but um they're uh Just do some research when a lot of people say they don't understand why it's never come here. You gotta There is some derogatory stuff in there that doesn't really hold up in the values of 2018. Yes, uh, and the thing is is Gaming was different back then Absolutely. Yeah, I will fully admit that the landscape and how Games were built were very different than than they are now But that doesn't mean that some some context And with a bit of world where a nintendo can't even let um a woman show some thigh in fire emblem Uh, so it's like and we're talking about nintendo america, of course. I don't know if japan allowed it. Um So it's uh Well, here's like the thing is they don't have to do anything I have some backward information on that specific topic. Yeah, um, it doesn't come from nintendo of america Yeah, it doesn't it comes from comes from nintendo of europe. Okay It never came from nintendo of america. Everybody assumes it comes from nintendo of america No nintendo of europe is the stricter one on that that sucks That sucks like like all of the changes that were made to signal by chronicles x That was nintendo of europe's doing not nintendo of america really that sucks. Yeah That's interesting. Yeah, I mean, I know europe's a big market obviously, but A lot of question countries in there. That's for sure. Yeah. Yeah, and it's like I always felt like especially because To me at least the american market is big enough that we shouldn't have to base any versions on what they're doing in europe Like I understand it's easier logistically. I get it. It's easier. The work's already been done So like why not, you know, just reuse the work like well, who cares but like fans care because We I mean, it's not as bad now that it's region-free But not all like when you go get the japanese version, they might not have english subtitles or english text Um or english voice It's definitely one of english voice acting unless it happens to be like breath of the wild which Included everything in every version of the game Well, the the majority of first party games outside of splatoon, which has a specific reason why it isn't our Multi-rom so that means there's just one global one for every single region together. Yeah Um And you see a sort of curbie as well. You could download already curbie with english from the japanese store um The only reason why Splatoon 2 isn't is because the separation of splatfest and how they handle online and how the thing of the servers are handled Sure. So so nintendo of america and australia are together Uh, japan is separate in europe is separate Huh Teaming up australia interesting. Yeah, I always figured they would go with the go with europe Well, the time's more lined up of america. Yeah, they do Yeah, so that is true times on lies and it does make more sense. I suppose for splatoon specifically Huh, so you look at this. This is the look look at the wealth of knowledge we have on this podcast We've taken a zero advantage of it I I really want to do the the more, you know thing. Oh You know, you can probably do that now that you our podcast center probably do that now. You actually did the thing. Yeah, the more you know Um, so, but yeah, like that's like mother three very complicated game to get over here in today's uh climate especially in the united states a lot of um things happen in that game that uh Would not be accepted in today's world in the u.s Yeah, and and we live in I hate I hate even bringing up the the word politically correct But like that's just the way it is um And it might be able to get away with it if they didn't make a big deal out of releasing If it was just one of those virtual console games They just toss out there and no one really cares But the thing is like people have been wanting it for so long the fans will make a big deal about it Which is going to draw attention to it Which is going to get some some media outlet or some twitter people out there going Look at how I want to touch into it. I can't believe you're buying that system. Look look what you know What's happening in this game and it's like Like dude, this game is like how old yeah, right? But they don't care about that. Yeah, they care about the message it sends and in this day and age Um, I'm actually surprised there isn't more backlash over a game like bayonetta these days Uh, but then again Bayonetta flirts with that line of Yes, it's a sexualized character that wants to be sexualized That's who she is as a person Um, or as a thing. I don't know if you really call her a person But that's exactly right the reason it's not really brought up in that specific conversation, right because It's a character that also owns up to it. Yeah, well, and that's one of the things like It's weird because in 2018 it does feel like there's times when like, uh Like I think recently that the cosmopolitan magazines are being pulled out of the checkout lines in walmart or something It's something weird like that because of uh, the depiction of you know, sexualized women on the cover Um, and then I I totally get it. I totally understand walmart's a private company. They could do whatever they want Um, sure I don't really care about print magazines anyways and cosmopolitan's obviously never been a magazine that's appealed to me anyways Come on. They can put all the sexy women on the cover. They want it doesn't make me want to buy one Oh, come on. That's like my favorite magazine of all time. Oh jeez. Oh, wow Oh Obviously obviously not but but it's like one of those things where uh We've hit a point at least in the united states where it feels like Even women who want to feel empowered by their sexuality are being kind of shunned for wanting to feel empowered Yeah, and that's actually such a weird turnaround what it was like five years ago Or it's like no like if women want to be sexualized they can be it's okay If they want to feel empowered by their looks that's that's good We encourage you to feel like just like with men like men want to be proud of walking around the six pack and all like let them Let them empower themselves get that self-esteem from from that's that's how they want to raise themselves up Then be that way like it's almost like anything else in life You know like I if I want to be loud and proud that I rock n ten or prime and we'll just want to wear merch everywhere Then fine whatever like be that like be that way um but like in today's culture like some of this is because I like walmart, you know, they're worried about the messaging like oh you have to look this way you have to be this way and like Yeah, but you're not So you just can get rid of beautiful women Mm-hmm. It's illegal to be beautiful. No And that's the thing like that's what I worry about like When bayonetta 2 came out it really didn't seem like an issue but today it seemed to be becoming more and more an issue Where like yeah, she owns her sexuality um, that's what she is as a person or as a being in the game and Like I almost wondered if the reception of annette 3 is going to be a bit more Hmm. Is that okay in today's world because I've already seen conversations come up about it. I'm like, why are we why? Because we have nothing else better to talk about like There are so many issues in the world we should be focusing on like Let people be who they want to be Like there are legit games that have it you know issues with the way they depict women But bayonetta is not one of them. You should be allowed to feel sexy I mean, I mean come on lmao. You're sexy and you know it. Come on. Like it's okay to feel that way This is obviously gets to do a broader topic But like it matters because of the topics that come up, you know, I'm not going to spoil anything You know because most of our audience I'm assuming hasn't played mother 3 because he or if you have you probably played it in a way that you're not supposed to um Using you know fan translations and blah blah, but you know it is what it is like the game is Might never come to the united states Uh, but that's the thing. I wanted on switch a lot of people wanted on switch They've been wanting it for you know years and years and years Um And it's just harder and harder to do it the longer they wait I don't think it's going to happen But you know what you talk about a franchise that I I want on switch and my ideal basic design principles I'm like just a game that already exists that I just want here I want that trilogy completed and be able to play it here in the united states without me having to go Through back channels or or doing like dumb things to have to enjoy it um And it's it's just not going to happen, but that's like Yeah, I get me the guess the conversation ended up going longer than I wanted to for that franchise but it's just huh I'm honestly kind of surprised you didn't go star tropics. I I thought about star tropics, but I'm like, you know I'm gonna let that one mention that before yeah Well, that's just I mentioned it before it's just one of those One of those games that I don't know that I have a lot of new ideas for yeah, because it's such an old ip That a lot of my ideas are going to be basically we'll just make it into which are three or just make it into this or with with yo-yos and like okay like I I just realized I have not even picked a franchise. No you have no Yeah Go for this giant knowledge base over there. He's like, I don't even know what I want. Yeah Yeah, um If I had to name a top of my head that is sorely due for a reboot Um, I would say that it's time to give mario party to finally the overhaul it needs Oh, what do you think it needs to do? Uh, now get rid of the car for one Okay, I can agree with that Let's go back to the original style the hudson style. I don't know if that's even possible considering It's not the same team that's currently who's making it right Um, but they kind of deal with with the we party games So bring that stuff over and make an actual mario party out of it with like actual items with actual bitterness with actual salt Yeah, like actual Mini games and hate to own other Yes, the ones that make you want to turn to your friend and just punch them in the face Exactly bring those back That's a mario party like To a savage it was savage playing that back in the day. Yeah, um Yeah, man like I would say that two three and in six are like Like the best party games like six was the best one on game q2 three were just really good on what they offered um And I just want to bring all that stuff from the first six games to like Maybe to a big package if you're not going to make anything new Or do something like that's really interesting or new with it But at least bring that style back because those games were pretty fire What mario party top 100 into a guy's gonna just say that No, those were just the minigames. I want more than that. I want the actual I mean it had it had a map and a board board game Not really I mean That's the ones I want That mean not the good ones And even though they included the mini games like I just built on the stuff of the of the previous video asking Which was actually the most enjoyable party Mario party game in recent memory star rush was actually really fun, but they That mode that was also in the top 100 had free maps and in the top 100 only had one map So they actually went a step backwards in that sense too. Oh man. Yeah, I hear you. Well, and do we even know how they chose The mini games to be in there Uh, they rolled it die and see what worked. Yeah, that was kind of was I was wondering All right, so I have to say I'm like, yeah, there's some good ones But like you're missing a lot of other good ones and it's like it's okay. I personal opinion, you know I wish they would have opened it up to like a a fan vote you get to pick So many from each game Sure, and you get the fans get to vote on it and the top Vote getters for each game. I kind of did it with smash characters for a little bit. Yeah Without the smash poles That would that would have been very interesting got the fans more involved right not that they would have helped the sales at all But you never know hey, I never know Um Yeah, well the other game I was going to mention was originally like mario golf and mario eight mario tennis But like we're getting a mario tennis game What surprised me if golf mario mario golf on 3ds was pretty good. I think I just need to carry on the same way Did it that? Yeah, it actually wasn't that bad on 3ds. Um Well, like when I think about those games that I always think back to the rpg days and Like that's what I want. That's not what we're getting get with aces I know it's not what we're going to get with aces even though it's being made by the same company To be fair, do you really want a new rpg from kamalot because their last rpg? Fire, I mean golden sun on 3ds. What on the s wasn't very good Yeah, well, I'm of I'm a belief that um Making some bad games doesn't mean every game you make is going to be bad Yeah, look just look at there at their other game one called mario tennis ultra smash sure, but I also look at it as It depends on aces aces is the apology for ultra smash Sure, probably ultra smash is terrible. Yeah, should never even exist. Maybe it's like a demo Downloadable demo like we're sorry here. Here is a story mode. You wanted that right here are all the characters You wanted you wanted those right here are actually new costumes. Here's a game that we actually spent more than a week making That's a little unfair the game developed. Yeah, right. That's what it felt. I'm pretty sure they just made it in four months I'm pretty sure. Yeah, honestly Here's a game that we just look like I don't want to do an in-depth breakdown of everything that's wrong with ultra smash But um, but all of the renders that are in the menu All came from old mario games. Sure. They did. Yep. Yeah, I was gonna say Here's the game that we didn't just take all the assets and reuse them We took old renders and made it a whole new thing But I mean that's the thing like it all depends on what direction right like when I'm like Oh, I want to do Mario goff him in Mario tennis in like the style of the old RPG ones Well, that's because that would be under the assumption the company would look to those old ones to kind of make them a new again Uh, you know with updated stuff and then whether or not camel I could do that anymore who Nobody knows no one doesn't have even a desire to ever do that But then I kept thinking well, we are already getting mario tennis aces. It is gonna have single player mode It's not what I want per se, but it doesn't look bad. I will give it a shot. I'm excited for the game Actually has multiplayer options and we got golf story And true like golf story is everything I wanted Mario golf to be so I mean obviously I'd rather you know, I'd like to have a 3d Style one it really won't surprise me if there's another mario golf Coming along well, maybe this is coming out. Yeah, I mean especially made by camel out it would be spaced out But still it's like golf story now like I'm sorry if they are making another mario golf like golf story just at the bar But and that bar is insanely high For especially if you're trying to do anything in the 3d space Now look at all that all this amazing stuff. They did in the top down perspective Now you got to make a 3d version that can match that and use mario and like I don't even like that's intense man. What golf story is like a legit rpg like legit God so good. It's just made by two people. I know right isn't that insane The game is so it's like they knew what they like took what everyone loved about that old mario golf game Like look we're gonna do that and we do 10 times better And we're just because we just love it that much and that's what they need They need a passionate team to pull this off if they're ever gonna do a one like that's if they just do another uh aces kind of thing we're like, yeah, we're gonna give you a single player to it But it's it's just kind of it looks more level based and stage based and it's not doesn't have the rpg feel to it It's gonna be like well No, no great like golf story is better and that sucks because it's a top down game made by two people Which is which is amazing. Yeah, no the reveal at the end of that game is crazy. Um Anyway, I don't want to get too too big a spoiler. Yeah, I don't think Eric's finished it No, I haven't I technically haven't finished it yet, but I couldn't help myself. Yeah I couldn't help myself. I had to watch a video on the ending because I'm like this is just I'm just amazed like two people and like the country the game is made in and uh Some of the difficulties there is just in trying to make games there and Where was it made? You mean you mean Australia? Oh, yeah. Yeah That's not really difficult to make. Oh you do some research into the cost uh the What is it the I mean Surely has to do with cost, but it's not difficult to make games in the country like that Well, no, no, no. Yeah, I don't mean like oh, you can't get a game studio there Like blah blah like no, but in in terms of a team of two people Making a game in australia is Very very very very expensive because of all of the taxes put behind companies that try to make games in australia because the government doesn't like video games So they want to make as much money as possible off of people who try to make games in australia And unless you're a company like tantalist or whatever Um who gets funded by outside companies to to port games and make games Um, it's very hard and obviously, you know, I don't know We don't know any of the back room deals again. They haven't got story to switch exclusive How much money was maybe tossed away from nintendo to allow it to happen? How much wasn't how much did they have done before they even approached nintendo? Well, it was originally supposed to be a wii u game. Yeah. Yeah, I know that. Yeah And it was pretty good in development back then so basically the whole development was done During the transition from wii u to switch. Yeah So that's the thing like I'm not talking about my respect for them in terms of like, oh my god. Like is isn't like, um Like the studio behind the witcher series, uh, if you watch that that no clip, uh, documentary on them Like they went through some massive struggles to do anything in their country Um to become a serious legit developer in that country when that just wasn't a thing that happened in that country Uh, so it's not like the same struggle that that that they went through Uh, but it's still like a struggle Because a lot basically a lot of indie studios don't make it in australia. It just doesn't happen They they get one game out and then they're like done. They get shut down because they can't they just don't make enough money Um, right or they end up having to leave the country if they want to keep doing what they're doing because it's just Oh And the thing is like if you live in australia, you already know because the cost is also passed on to you as a consumer Um, you pay a crap load to play games in australia Uh, which is probably why many of you that have a switch have made a us account and Buy united states versions of the games or cheaper um Oh, thank god it's region free For people that are especially you are actually smart and make a mexican Mexican account because there's the games that are cheaper. That's true for the entirety of the world That that is that is very very true um man, uh A question about about the mexican because I was actually looking into that Yes, because I'm on a budget. So if I could squeeze some extra games in I want to Um, of course How uh, were you getting the e-shop credit for that? I was an issue finding a way to connect with my paypal account to that specific account. Okay Yeah, because it's just just direct paypal. Okay, so All right. Yeah, that's the disconnected for my current one, but that's okay or just open a second paypal That could also work. I have three paypal accounts. I just shift money around. It'll be fine. Oh, okay Well, I mean it is what it is like because I tried doing the paypal thing with the japanese account that didn't work Yeah, um, which I guess is understandable. Yeah, um, but okay cool I might try that out because hey, there's a tip guys You want if you are on a budget and you're trying to get games cheaper and you don't mind going digital There you go All right, uh, I guess this last topic is just if there's anything else we feel like talking about this week before we wrap things up Okay Got something. Um, sure. I got something So This is an hypothetical world Smash Brothers Has to get rid of all its main characters Same franchises But all its main characters You have to choose a character that has never been smashed by this before of an existing franchise So like from super mario from donkey kong from the legend of zelda You need to choose like the most random characters possible Who would you pick? Wow Do I go first there old man? Oh Sorry ever since You're right. They called me old man. I did Oh god, do I want to go first? No, not really. Well, darin kind of already went first. Yeah, right jump the gun. Yeah Do I uh, you go second? I'll go second. Yeah. Yeah. I can answer for Nate Well, how could he answer for me? How do you know what I'm thinking tingle? All right, he already wins all that I can't go south. Oh, yeah I mean I could but I'm not going to I can think about zillions all the characters. Yeah Set the groups loose, baby Oh, come back to me. I have to figure this out. You have to figure this out. Yeah By the way, it's can also you can also just go wild and do anything you'll like that has anything related to nintendo It's just an abrasion. Nope. Nope. Let's go. I got it. I got it. Oh, you got it. What goomba. Oh A goomba a goomba Goomba stop it up. That's like the only move but well, I mean there's wings. Yeah, like we recovery I don't know. It's your the mini ones from three. Oh, you could shrink yourself. Yeah, and slow other people down Geez actually that sounds pretty good. Let's just include aslo and just you hop on people's heads and shrink them down to run them off a cliff. Yeah, what Um, anyways get the uh, two of these other ones because I I love that right in there from animal crossing. Oh, okay Oh, how about an actual metroid? Oh A lot of people though, they've been waiting for ridley too Um Let's see French as we haven't mentioned yet. I want to include adam from metroid adam. Oh, jeez Let's see It's easy like I I was gonna just say like some pokemon like it's so easy to go pokemon Yeah, it is pick a pokemon you like that's ever been in the game, right exactly. Um, Halucha, how about that one? Ooh Bless you Wow Halucha is the pokemon I want. Yeah, has wabba fat been in uh Uh, no, only it's an assist. Well, I was gonna say it's just pokemon. Okay, so I guess he's eligible. Yes Okay, I'll pick him. I mean magikarp's all the only button in the pokeball. Why not the assist one? Yeah Well, I want magikarp but that bandana waddle d. Oh, jeez Yes, uh christmas hat Pikachu Kkk slider Yes, I would love that. I would be extremely loved. I want the viruses of dr. Mario The viruses of dr. Mario. I want I want all of I already know the reactions. Oh boy. Um, I want all of the uh Rabbit mario characters from mario plus rabbit kingdom. Nice. There you go. I'm okay with that I know you're okay with that, but no one else is gonna be. Yeah, I'm okay with that Oh, you're okay with that. All right Well, I mean And the thing is they do bring in third party stuff and this is like third party crossover and they do work Close your movies outside. Yeah, they've never actually recruited western. I want the toy con stick figure Oh How about the nintendo labo piano? Yeah No, I want the nintendo labo guy. I want the nintendo 3ds sound parakeet. Oh, nice. That's a good one. There you go Let's get blinky in there Hmm. Oh, yeah The pacman goes nice. Nice. That's a good one. Let's get ashley in there from mario where All right. All right. I hear you. Oh god. I had one and I lost it from kid icris. Um, Hades Hades. Yeah Yeah, that's a good one. Oh man, who can we get from final fantasy? Well, can't be clouds No, no There's an obvious one roll sedric. I mean that works cranky con cranky con Any of the con any of the con hasn't been as bad Noctis, I guess. What about stanley? Oh, that's what it was Um Paper boy paper boy Oh, that would be amazing. That would be sweet. I could already imagine the attacks on that. Just chucking papers at everybody I love that paper boy. That's a good one. That's a man. It's the first time we've ever brought a paper boy I've brought a paper boy many a couple of times. It must be like two years ago. No Dang it. No, like the last couple of podcasts. I don't remember We get that really stupid bird. I want to happy last week. I listened the last weeks. Yes, that'd be awesome Okay, that stupid bird from the ice climbers in there The one that like steals the the fruit or whatever it is uh in the bonus stage the balloon trip guy Yes Yes Yeah For technically that's an attack of the of the and i'm crossing finish it now. It should be a tall thing come on Sure, okay fair enough But i'm saying happy mask sales Oh mysterious Hmm At that point you guys just throw skull kid with major's mask in there James bond James james bond Why not double seven up in there? Yeah, if they if they can have snake they can have double seven That's uh put a sleepy toad in there Any any star five character Be quiet Quiet in there. Oh quiet. Okay Um battle toads the wrestling the wrestling man from redham heaven Oh the battle toads battle toads Oh, that's good. You know what the wrecking crew brothers a big part of my child might as well just throw in all of the teenage mutant Oh, yeah, all four definitely They're video games sure Throwing steve but back in the day those beat them up versions were awesome. Um, steve from what? Minecraft I want to file for for marion luigi. Oh, that's good. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, man. I know it's not Technically video game, but it's video game related. I know I've brought it up before wreck it Ralph and fix it Felix Hey, why not You're gonna wreck it They've been putting video games now. So yeah I want to king hippo king hippo. Yes King hippo. Wow, we get like the really ripped contra dude in there. Yes. Oh Just ripped, um God This is what I figured out. I just could go on forever. This is oh, yeah, this is this is a lot of fun. Actually Why didn't we do this at smash cast? Oh, because we're too busy with people arguing with me about the game. Well, that's very true Because I made it silly. Well, that is very very true as well. That is very true That would have that. Yeah, okay. Well, that's okay. I always said there's probably going to be a second smash cast eventually Once we get some more smash. Yeah Um, you know what I thought of real quick. What I was about to say that Idiot dog from duck hunt and then I remembered. Oh wait. Oh wait. It's already happened Track and field person from track and field. I I wanted I wanted devil looking character from f0 No, I don't want the track and field person. I want the running pad. Oh, yeah Yes, I want to we balance sport to be a character That we balance board. We balance board. There you go. It does It's already animated character. It's animated. Yeah How about uh, uh anybody from hogan's alley you get some of those guys from hogan's alley Sure, there you go. Why not? Um, again, it's not Video game related ish clippy from mic from microsoft Oh Maybe on an xbox. Hey, why not? I I want the uh internet settings guy from 3ds Oh Can we get that that t-rex in there from the google chrome uh offline? Yes, the t-rex from mario odyssey works Oh, yeah, there you go. Yeah, it's cheer I just want I don't know which version of what they do just just the spinning wheel loading sign. Oh god There has to be a character the spinning wheel of death. Yeah, exactly. Is it gonna load this time? No, no Or this download has failed or you've been disconnected. Yeah, I want to e-shop shopping back from the 3ds and Yes, there we go. Float over people and drop the little uh gems You know what? I just want a button Just a giant a button from the from the from the gamecube controller. Just a big a button I want to um to moving eyes from the we logo Yes What I don't know, but it's fantastic Okay, we can we can go on and on at least for hours. I think yeah at this point And this is pure entertainment. This is good stuff Is there any other topics people want to talk about now? Or are we just I think we do everything. I do have a question. Yeah for don Okay, I wanted to ask if you remember because I didn't I had to go back and look it up But tonight I was like haven't I been on a podcast with don before I feel like I remember and the answer is yes Yeah, you were on the old zelda and former podcast when nat was the host but nat uh took a leave of absence that week Wow Or did it was about It was uh, 2016 september 2016 see we caught it met years ago Yeah, yeah the the headline was does breath of the wild mark the end of linear zelda games Oh, yeah, I remember listening to that one That's crazy. Yeah, so there's there's a little throwback for you. Wow. So look at that. I was a host and even then Didn't matter um I don't I'm sure remember why I had to leave my absence that week because I didn't miss very many of those ones back then Yeah, I can't remember. Maybe there was something my kids being sick or something. I don't know happens It happens. I haven't missed any nintendo prime one yet That's because the only time that I would have missed one. We skipped the whole week. Yeah, right I I left also an obvious one out of our crazy smash characters question. Here it is The rabbit from nintendo batch arcade Oh Still have that music stuck in my head every every once in a while. I am exactly the same I mean, it makes no sense when monsters throw Mike Tyson in there. Oh, yeah, Mike. Sure. Yeah Well, why the heck not we throw a king hippo. Yeah, I mean king I'm like, I'm just sorry Whenever I see Mike Tyson appear in like any sort of tv role this one I just laugh as as long as one of these moves isn't biting an ear off. Oh, jeez. No, that's that's clearly lower. Oh, that's his ultimate final smash Yeah, final smash Fight you're off. Got it. Are you sure he's not gonna stick his pet tiger on you? I want I want the seven stars from paper mario in there Can we get the actual thousand-year door the door Bowser's intestinal tract Jesus, you know what? Oh, it has to be since we're going so out there. We need the og rainbow road as a character Oh, yeah No, we we need to we need sebestian to the guide from we music in there No, you know what we don't need that what we need is the guy who did the the fake drumming at the e3 presentation arriving drums We need we need steel diver from steel diver. It's still Cookie mama. Yeah Oh, man. Sakurai himself He just appears to be cruising Oh, you know what You mean you mentioned sakurai. I want a playable regi fissame But every time you hit an attack button doesn't matter what it is. He just pops out one of the memes My body is ready. What's wrong with you? Oh, just just keep it going Oh, man, I'm tapping his watch Yeah Just no, no that that's it. That's his idle animation. Yeah, um How about just a smash game of straight nintendo employees? Yeah, that would be that you know a thing is I would play that I know only like Hardcore nintendo fans would want to play that but I would be all up on that. Yeah Yeah Come on. So someone out there make like a pc version that's completely off the books and just make it happen. Yeah Regi op please nerf Oh, man So good so good. Oh, I think it's gonna do it for this week's episode of the terrifying podcast as I said This is a never-ending topic. Yeah, this is like four hours on its own. Yeah, um I want to take nintendo on from uh coming on It's probably normal for him. He's on everywhere Yeah, basically But uh, it's been fun. It's been great. I guarantee that we'll be inviting you on future episodes Uh, don't know when anytime whenever whatever I I page Darren. I can say hey, we need a guest. Yeah Yeah, I'm like I'm a designated. Oh crap. We need a guest. Well, the thing is we don't who you got technically You asked me if we needed a guest. Yeah, I did I was I wanted to do right now that we're at the at at the podcast of three people We don't necessarily need a guest. What you're saying is that Darren is the designated driver of this podcast. Yes It designated driver. Yeah Well, we do get drunk in live streams, so Yeah, our nighttime live streams all involved is so it just is what it is. It's our thing So I guess a designated driver would work. Yeah, that's true Basically That that is true Darren, why are you not over here when I live stream? I need you to walk me back upstairs to get me to bed when it's all over Oh, it'll happen. It'll happen one day because Man, I'll do some of the live streams get crazy I don't know how many of you listeners watch our live streams, but every monday wednesday and friday Those are the crazy streams, man from like eight nine p.m. Up until midnight. It just gets nuts Because uh, every super chat and every donation leads to doing shots and people just go nuts and I Like I don't know how my liver hasn't exploded at this point But it's a good time. It's always a good time and you don't know it just yet. Yeah, that's possible I'm dead tomorrow. You guys know what happened. Yep This podcast is the last podcast there will ever be Eric if I'm dead tomorrow make sure martin gets this stuff So You're the only one who has to be the first thing he does. Yeah, yep Yep, she just stays you laying dead on the floor is like, uh, gotta get that stuff to martin Yeah You know what he said the podcast takes priority. Yep, I gotta get it out. All right, that's gonna do They they can tend to add. Thank you. Um, so you see there. I just screwed up. Yeah, and I'm not in 10 That's because I've been pronouncing it in my head as nintendo for like six years And I kept saying there's no way there's two ends. No No, no, it's two a's. Is it two a's? Yeah, it's two a's. Oh, I wrote down two a's. I don't know. See this is what happens. I'm a terrible scripter Um, thank you. Obviously darin who came through as being back and hopefully will be uh, Have his face up here one day. There will be a face reveal the ultimate face reveal There will be a darin face reveal. Hopefully by the end of this year That one one million subs darin will do a face reveal. Yes Um, I obviously eric for just being him and making time for this every single week despite the fact that he also has two jobs himself This has been great fun. 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I'm not a big fan of google hangouts, but Easiest way to get everyone on camera without me having to like Skype and capture video and put it in it just gets crazy um But more details on that to come when I feel like announcing it because I gotta have enough guests to make that kind of thing work and that podcast is going to be news focused So for those who love the news coverage we do that podcast will always just be about the news And then obviously any questions people have at the end Fouls What followings? Oh, yeah. Hey, we do things Um, you should follow us Nintendo where could they follow you at? You can follow me at nintendo on twitter, which is n a n t n d double a n You go to any random nintendo fan website There you go. That's that's the meme Now but you can find the stuff that I actually do like links to that on my twitter page. So don't worry about that Don't hey, don't don't worry about the places he works at just go to twitter Usually my twitter page is the hub of everything I do. I don't tweet as much But hey, you can find links to all the things I do Yeah, that's that's the thing like uh our twitter at ninty prime We uh everything we do is there like I always say like oh like subscribe hit that bell icon But like even on youtube that doesn't guarantee crap Or especially after the reveals of the youtube the last couple weeks. So yeah, it's like it's like yeah That's just gives you a higher chance social media is is is the place to go really Yeah, it gives you a higher chance and I'd say oh go follow us on facebook but facebook has the exact same issue so Right compounding youtube and facebook's issue together makes it doubly worse to follow us on on facebook to get this We do post everything on facebook but Um twitter twitter right now is so far the only way you can guarantee That uh, you'll it'll at least appear in your feed. You might not see it because you get too much stuff in your feed But it'll be there. Well, you can you can always you can always Yeah, you can always hit the what is that? Is it a bell? You can notice you have notifications notifications enabled every time they post a tweet Yep, you could do that as well. I'm not saying that you always want all my tweets Or you just make a separate twitter account And just follow ninty prime Just it make a few of those Yep, and just follow ninty prime. Yep. Yeah, thanks Um Follow me then at the same time as well that would be a good time. I appreciate it. Yeah at real turn on twitter, um Hey, do you remember my my moody emo instagram name that you two left at martin puts it up on the screen I never remember. I I ignore that instagram exists It's finding darin. Oh, that's right. Yeah, that's right Oh, I found a means right here. Ah, I felt like I felt like he was missing for over a year. Yeah It was I love us the easiest thing in the universe. That was quite easy And then surprisingly, I'm never gonna get over this It's gonna take probably a good year before I start acting like this is a surprise You can follow Eric where where huh? Yeah at emo 8790 on twitter on twitter Yes, you just find retweets. Yeah, pretty much of us and sports. Yeah pretty much But hey One day he might actually put out a legit tweet. It'll happen. He did. I had which was one I did which one was that? Um My I know I think oh, is it the e3 without the e3 one. Yeah information. Yeah, yeah, yeah So yeah, oh, yeah, we're gonna e3, but you guys already know that If you don't hey, we're going to e3. Yeah, all right. I'm still I'm still considering a free Well, if you go let me know maybe we meet up and do something because we do have uh Well, we'll be recording a podcast, of course there and we're hoping that we can have everyone in person instead of just Well over the internet, but we'll see how that goes. Yeah, come on. Yeah, come on Darren Come on over to e3. Actually, I did tell Darren. I think I already told you that that's obviously the one you went beyond Unless you went, um, but you but you can go with all your designated driver Yeah Uber that's what it's for Fair enough but Darren I will say I do have a task for Darren. He's gonna hate so Oh Because you know how we have that website now, right? Ten or five. Oh, yeah, we have yep. I can't really be posting at it. Well, I'm on the show floor. Can I Oh No, so how much would you like to solo cover e3? Gee, well here. Oh, you would not solo cover because since we had to buy gamer passes to go this year Um, we can't the first day when the Nintendo does their presentation. We can't even be on the show floor till 2 p.m So like the actual presentation. I will be able to help cover Well, but everything else all the Nintendo tree house. I can't do any of that I handled zelda informers e3 2016 cover church was basically nothing but zelda, but I had a full Full staff of writers and that made me want to pull my hair out So I will gladly accept doing it solo for the entire year. You know, you know, it's nice about the solo Like it's all on you like you don't have to worry about anybody else. Mm-hmm. Yeah Again, again, we'll talk about more detail as we get closer to it Obviously, I'm not gonna just leave you completely hanging a draw. I'll check in with you and help out Um, anyway end of days and stuff, but when I'm waiting 17 years on my hotel Wi-Fi to upload a video Because again, we don't have your hacking Laptop. Oh jeez. I'm still gonna have the better Wi-Fi. I'm just gonna pay for it Yeah, fun fact like when we went to e3 one time back in 2016 representing zelda informer and My I had an Alienware laptop Still have it just doesn't work anymore Uh, and you never needed to know Wi-Fi passwords anywhere It would just connect I don't know why it did it That's why he says hacking because I can't explain why I don't need I don't need passwords And that the hotel were at they had their basic internet Then they had their hire when you could pay for we were gonna pay for it And then when we got to the hotel room all like my computer just connected to that one just because I call hacks. Yeah, I don't I still don't understand to this day I probably should pull the wireless card out of that try Transporting it into a right thing is it's on the motherboard. So I I would need I don't have the technical expertise to unsolder and try to put it on another one Even if it even works the whole board might be fried. So but Yeah, maybe that's why I got fried in the lightning storm. It was too busy hacking Yes, my my computer is secretly doing hacks behind my back. That's all right Anyways It's a secret NSA Secret NSA. All right. Well, thanks for tuning in We will catch you guys next week for episode 59. We are creeping up there getting almost to a hundred. Yeah, I want to hit that Hondo so bad I almost said I want to hit it before you three, but that's technically impossible. Yes Well, not technically we started doing three a week once day Welcome to the daily Nintendo Prime podcast. Oh god Oh boy, that would definitely be live stream because there'll be no time to edit it. Yeah, you're right ever right All right guys peace out. Hey look chores All right, that's that's it. We're done All right, should I stop the recording? Yeah. Yeah. All right. Cool. Oh, these headphones are fantastic Huh