 We're being joined by Chris Cain Day and Wando for Off the Press. Chris, it's good to have you join us this morning, complement of a season. Thank you very much, thanks for having me. Good morning, I'm Eric Christmas in advance. It's alright then. Let's take a look at the punch newspaper this morning. Naira Depreciates and adds a night trillion Naira to foreign debt burden. That's a lot. We need to do something. I mean, we just wake up and there's a lot to deal with. There's a country. As local currency weakens by 53%, external debt increases by 288%. 53 is a pass mark. Nigerian needs strong productive economy, says economists. And we couldn't agree less. Tunibu takes campaign to the United Kingdom, Atikutrain Stomps Lagos. And then, you know, there was a video at the Chatham House where Kofi was actually talking about that. So I'm sure that our guest would be ready to answer all of the questions this morning and share his thoughts. Atikut appeals to Lagos voters. Tunibu accuses opponents of playing dirty politics. And federal government not ready to fund versities. That's what asks this quarter to say. Again, you find Nigerian projects 1.8 million bios production in May 2023. I hope that we've been able to solve the issue of, you know, theft and what have you, all of that pipeline vandalism and others. Nigerians with NIN increased to 92 million, 92 million, all theft. Navy denies blaming NNPC. But really, it was very explicit. And you have Abuja Kaduna train records low pass and a turnout, but you wouldn't blame the people. That's the much we can take this morning on the punch newspaper. All right, let's go to the next paper. Some very interesting, very interesting stories there. The next one I think we'll look at is the nation. Indeed, Tunibu points the way forward on power security. Others is a big one there. Shadum House, host APC candidate. L5, Waleh Edun, Project Biarmila Ayade, Alake, Beta Edu speak. Quite interesting. Of course, you will see that too. People speak. Very interesting indeed. Wiki attacks, Doga for parking at Tikku. Of course, the man has jumped from the APC to the PDPX speaker files back. XVP can see Buhari's achievements as government. More from the paper. I'll sell off refineries, raise $10 billion for SMEs. All right, how will that work? My guess will give us his thoughts. All theft. We didn't indict NNPCL, says Navy. Message, I don't know what we read yesterday. Wyatt is every election by Governor Somolu. He was in London. I'll carry the loop, presents $272.73 billion NARA budget. $130 billion NARA to fix federal roads. Quite interesting one. But the picture on the front page, you may see in the Chris Kane one, the picture on the front page of the punch, that the story basically talked about earlier, looking at the Abuja Cardinal train recording the passenger turn. Reminds me of this line from the last song, where he said, I know who won't die, I know who won't die. You know that song, right? Why not? I'm a huge fan. What he wants to go? May I see over to you? All right, let's turn our attention to another paper this morning, is a Daily Trust newspaper. And we'll just look at a few headlines before we move to the other one. Now, on the Daily Trust newspaper, Atikoo, I beg your pardon, Tunibu Tech's campaign to the United Kingdom, Atikoo Wars, Lagos, Voters, quite similar with what you have on the punch newspaper. How I'll tackle insecurity, energy crisis, ex-governor, is quoted to say, records of my background, age and education is consistent. I'll sell refineries to raise $10 billion employment fund. That's what the PDP candidate, of course, Atikoo has always wanted to sell the refineries. While Dane to end Tunibu's dynasty in Lagos, I love the word dynasty, Jando is quoted to say. Now, we'll move away from the board caption. You have another federal government, orders redeployment of prison officers who cannot shoot to kill, really. Bandits kill three policemen, orders in Sokoto, protect our facilities, Ineq begs Nigerians. Four nabbed as APC PDP clash over billboards in Quarra, but there's also another clash, you know, in the United Kingdom. It's just like we just take our wahala, go outside the exporters. That's the much we can take on the Daily Trust news people this morning. Interesting. Let's go to the final port, seven years after Buhari, after Buhari falters on 24 million jobs. Promise. It's a paper doing an investigative one there. Maybe something that people may have forgotten about. You can see a picture of Nigerians at the Abuja Stadium. Mosheira Biola Stadium, Abuja, applying for jobs. I think this should be when Godlock Jonathan was president, if I'm not mistaken, where you had this in 2014, where you had a stampede, I think Abamoro was a minister of interior time. The riders to that headline, NBS fails to release unemployment rates since 2020. That's Nigeria Bureau of Statistics. That's very worrying. And I try to remember when Yemi Kali left that seat as the head of the Nigeria Bureau of National Bureau of Statistics. Gige's claim of seven million jobs created unlikely. NDP 2021 to 2025 to create 30 million jobs in Miraj, says Yereindey. No honeymoon for who will take over from Buhari or Joe. It will require three governments to clean up this administration's mess. It's what another rider quoting someone is saying. In insecurity, COVID-19 others undermine efforts to lift 100 million out of poverty. So it's a focus by the paper on employment and poverty in the country. Interesting one there. FG decries of positions downplaying of Buhari's achievements. I'm ready to lead Nigeria. Tinibu says at Chatham House. So I'll read that again. I'm ready to lead Nigeria. Tinibu says at Chatham House. Nigeria, Morocco Gas Pipeline, NNPC, Science MOU with Ghana, the Gambia, Guinea-Bissau or oil companies from these countries. INEC Blast, sorry, INEC. Elections can't be conducted in an atmosphere of violence. An election, not a priority now as a nation, says Emmanuel. Final one from there. We'll fire back Ibatiku Boys Attack G5 Governors again, VK wants. We'll fire back Ibatiku Boys Attack G5 Governors again. At this point, let's bring in Chris Candy-Wandu for his analysis. Let's start with that story on the front page of The Guardian, Chris. I'm ready to lead Nigeria. Tinibu says at Chatham House. It sounds like a paradox that he had to go to Chatham House to say he's ready to lead Nigeria. But I think he can be forgiven because he had actually already said these in the country already. But some, I'm wondering why he's gone to London to face open questions from the public and an event not organized by his campaign team or in collaboration campaign team. There's a public forum, almost like a town hall. Has he done anything wrong by not opening himself up to the press here? He says, you know, we, the media in Nigeria want to use him to make money. That's why he's not been granted interviews. Over to you, Chris Candy-Wandu. Yeah, it's quite unfortunate that our people believe in everything for building our leaders. When any of them fall sick, instead of looking for a local hospital here they'll travel to London or US for treatment. If they want to spend their holiday there, they go abroad instead of going to Obudu, Katturant or Jaws or any of these tourist centers in Nigeria. So we love for him. That is what has taken us to where we are presently. We don't have a single product to export again. Even our oil that we're supposed to be exporting, we have an issue with seeds, with a number of tests and tests of them. And our debt profile continues to rise. It's just one of the papers saying that Nigeria's debt profile has reached about 9 trillion because of the situation of the Naira. They're breaking it back home to Singapore's attendants at Chatham House. And I continue as, what is this crazy about Chatham House? We have here in Nigeria, Nigeria Institute of Internal Affairs, NII. That organization has to render it useless. Are you to remember in those days of Professor Hizio Gousson, you all do this. I can't remember his name now. Actually, it's late. When NII became the epitome of our foreign policies, where our leaders go to martial art, they are manifesto, 10 Nigerians, what they're going to do about national relations and the rest of them. That has, it used to be somewhere in Papua Bayomi, in Victoria, I don't know whether it is still there. It's the years I've had about NII. But you see our people, every day killing themselves to go to Chatham House. And I continue to ask, there is nothing like that. We ask for voting in 2023. Those that are going to vote for this presidential candidate's appearance. So if you say you are going to Chatham House, what message are you going to say to Nigerians? They organize town hall debates in Nigeria, you don't attend. They invite you to professional bodies meetings for you to be able to ventilate your ideas. You don't attend. Then every single time we jump in and run to it. But it is left for Nigerians. And I've said it before, especially when it triggers to be presidential candidate of the ABC. ABC is taking Nigerians for granted. Whether I would like it or not. I'm not just talking as a media person, but also as a Nigerian. It's a situation where you are invited to tell Nigerians what to do for Nigerians. You refuse to come and you say you are campaigning, you are going to do something. It's really all right. But if I have to hire you for a job, then I must be able to get you into view so that I can know whether you have the capacity to give me the job you are asked to do. But Ashwajibola meant to you and his team. It doesn't seem to understand that. Or they just say that it was not necessary for me to speak to Nigerians or Nigerian media. Let's wait and see in 2023. But if you look at what's just passed at the Chattanoaxe, I guess, yes, he was due to clarify certain issues, including his academics and the rest of them. He said now the certificates from the University of Chicago, that there's no question about his birth and his parentage. And then when questions were thrown at him, at the time of the treatment, at some of those that went with him, I had the understanding. And the question I asked, is he going to be the president of Nigeria? Is he going to be the president of Nigeria? Is he going to be the president of Nigeria? We want to hear from the man that is going to be at the schedule of affairs. Because based on that, we're taking from his words, there were so many promises in 2015 by the APC and the presidential campaign. At the end of it, all they say were, when they thought that and asked, this is what he said, he said, no, this is to bring video evidence. So if to remove some of the things that El Rufai or Ayadeh or whatever said, come to the vote. I think people can deny, he never said that he was said by one of my aides or those that put up with me. So those are the issues. But he has attended the chat and I'll don't forget also that we're pro and pro and those that were against TNPP's protest yesterday at the PEPAM House. But it's becoming more like a circuit. So we are here as the media to give Nigerians all the necessary details. But it's come 2023, Nigeria has to make up their mind. And exit has no impact on this. Chris, let's take a look at the punch now. The punch talks about Naira depreciation and the fact that it has added 9 trillion Naira to a foreign debt burden. Now, recently, the Minister of Finance was saying clearly that Nigeria is not broke and that we're paying our loans. However, there's also the fact that our external debt has increased by 288 percent. Of course, the local currency. So with all of this, are we still not broke or are we about not to be broke? What's going on? What are your thoughts? I just look at the finance minister as the ostrich that very decent on the sound. We are the rest of his body exposed. We cannot say Nigeria is not broke and we're having this level of a debt profile 9 trillion. That is just part of what we have. From what we've had, we have a debt profile of close to about 30 trillion currently, and it may even be more. We are not even paying the debt. What we are talking about is that we are paying presently at the interest on debt. How does it continue like this? Essentially, we do the next show. We are not exporting enough. Our crude oil, we are not making much from it. We are not tapping into other areas like natural minerals and that Nigeria is well, we have in abundance. We are not looking at that area. So all we just want to export crude oil, even the prices of crude oil is not helping matters. Inasmuch as it's going with Nigeria, it's having serious export diversity. We can't even meet our opaque quota that's giving us the liquefied natural gas that's supposed to be hitting us so much. It's the second time that Ukraine and Russia is at war. We are not doing much about it. Look at every part of Nigeria now. We have Nigerians here for hours to five foot. A country that is so full in abundance of crude oil where we still go around having issue of petroleum because none of our refinery is working. When promises were made in 2015 that all will be revived and many more will be viewed. Not a single refinery has been built. So with the finance minister continuing to say that we are not broke. Well, I don't know what to say. This is not the first time they are saying it. After all, this same administration told us some months back that through his ministry of humanitarian affairs which has become a content pipe as far as I'm concerned to siphon money that they were feeding our children who were at home with us during the COVID and nobody asked any question about it. So any of them can come out and say it but the reality is not pointing to that direction. So then what's the significance of the redesign of the Nair in all of that? I mean a lot of pundits have said that it would mean a lot of positive or bring a lot of positive economic benefits. Does that also include strengthening the value of the Nair? Well, you cannot say the effect of the redesign Nair now until it comes into circulation it will come into circulation until 15th of December. So it is then that we know the effect whether it will make any developing part or not. Don't forget that what the Sibian is doing is to mop up the old Naira notes that since so many wrong hands and they feel that by so doing when it introduces the new Naira that it's going to have some economic effects on the Naira itself but I really doubt that as it were. The Naira cannot appreciate because we are not doing what we need to do once you remain an important country. There is no way your current is going to appreciate it. It's not even possible. How are you going to do that? So to be able to export more and be able to make more foreign exchanges which are the dollars, pounds and euros there is not going to be any level of there is not going to be any level of even Chico B or whoever the best of a mathematician or economist cannot say anything to the contrary. The best way we can be able to appreciate this Naira is making sure that we be able to export more and end more foreign exchange. All right let's look at the apathy as you know shown on the front page of the punch Abu Jaqaduna train records low pass so passenger turnout like I said you know quoting the lyrics of Fela song where he said everybody run run run everybody skata skata you know and he says we know one die we know one quench nobody wants to to to be the one that the federal government we used to test whether it's safe to travel on that route what do you say about is it too early to have opened the services and will you be encouraging people to get on that on that train just yet? You go and talk to the tree you go and talk Are they ask you sir? No, they're not I'll go and talk to you You don't go and talk Me I don't catch the ball I don't throw it back to you You're the one You're the one me But on the most serious you know that is expected there will be a lot of apathy on the passengers Coffee message also take a look into whenever you heard there was a plane crash in Nigeria, you see that in the last two weeks or three weeks, you'll be so afraid to fly any flight in Nigeria. You would rather take it now for this level of security. You would rather go by road from here to Medjugorje rather than taking anything. In fact, the airlines that affected, you'll be sure that nobody wants to, you remember what happened with them? What's that flight? Dana Air? Dana Air. For a month, people refused to fly Dana Air. I'll give you a classical example. It was just the art of God that I missed the Soliso flight that King Sebra students of Loyola University passed away and the rest of them. I was to fly, I was booked for that flight from Abu Dhabi to Lagos where that flight was supposed to go and route to Potakot and to Lagos. Unfortunately, I got there, I was already booked. But the airline, for whatever reason, had a book purchase booking from that school. Over a few years, about 80 students from that school came and those of us that already booked for that flight decided to refund us our money and because that flight, they're having more passengers on that Soliso flight. That was how I missed that flight. And less than one hour after that flight took off, it crashed. Probably I wouldn't have been talking to you today if not for the grace of God. But the effects of that crash affected me for close to two, three months. I refused to fly Nigeria. So it's the same thing that is happening, which takes some time. Confidence will be built and the people will start going on that train. But what I still believe and I hope that enough security will be put in place so that, likely, we will not strike a second time on that route. That's a very chilling revelation by you, Chris, can they want to? Just before message comes in, I remember one day I had to fly, I think, just after that crash, I flew down the end. Someone asked me, are you okay? You know, don't you love your life? But just a normal human, human reaction. It's a very, very chilling revelation by you. Very, very, very touching. All right, then. Thank you very much. Well, let's move away from that and look at the oil projection from 2023. Nigeria projects 1.8 million barrels in terms of crude. What do you make of this, especially looking at the setback for us in 2022? We haven't been able to meet the UPEC quota so far. And also, there's also been issue of oil tests. There's also issues of not being able to export, you know, the product through the export channel for whatever excuses has been going on. What are your thoughts? As long as our security agencies, as well as the staff of NNPC, those in the Ministry of Petroleum Conspiracy, they will continue with the conspiracy theory of oil theft, we can never meet that quota. Now what are we doing? We're hiring individuals like Campolo to marshal out and be able to protect them. Merci, Kofi, do you remember there was a video that went barra as some months back where we were shown what is in the UAE to buy one of these, I think, I can't remember which country is in the far east, where from just the room, from room, from their control room, they can see how the oil movement on the pipelines, until it gets to where it is pumping to the east. No single drop of one barrel of oil will be stolen or was stolen or is being stolen in those countries because everything has been digitalized and it can be seen. We have the capacity to do that from here and be able to make sure that we're able to monitor what is going on. But corruption will not allow them. A situation where we see a ship, a very, very mighty ship anchored somewhere in the Gulf of Guinea and we have feedash ships coming into our creeks to pump over 300 million or is it 3 million barrels of oil into that ship. That ship has been retrieved from the Potora Guinea. That is just one out of so many. So until we do the need, we don't know what to do. For us, we're able to meet our quarter. But a situation where we're losing over 400,000 barrels of food oil every day to oil it. That's not where we're going to meet our quarter. So you're expecting or whatever anybody is protecting. It's just a total fallacy. Secret agencies know what to do. NNPC know what to do. Nigerian dogmen know what to do in order to stem the tide. Curious game, what are the interesting, you know, announcements by you and we'll leave it at that for now. And of course, we look forward to having you again next week. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you very much for having me. Do have a nice day. All right. Thank you. Chris Kelly-Wanda is a chatted mediator and constellator. He's been a guest on After Press. We have some more discussions ahead. Mercy? Definitely. We take a break and when we return, it will be time for us to delve into it. Please stay with us.