 It's a real joy to be here this morning and to be able to give our testimony We must first thank Scott and him and Timberley Han that has invited us here It's been amazing these days for us to be in this environment. So thank you Scott and Kimberley for having us here so first we want to say a little bit about our background and We're from Sweden both of us and I came to the knowledge of the Lord when I was around 20 years old came from a secular background and Matt Jesus as my savior which was an amazing experience for me and turned me totally upside down This was when I was starting to leave my hometown go to University city of Uppsala. I thought I was gonna be there for about one or two semesters, but I haven't left yet so so and And there I came into contact with an evangelical organization called the Navigators Which is very good in Bible in Bible memorization Bible studies and evangelization Which helped me a lot and stabilized my life tremendously after a couple years I started to study after taking a Bachelor of Philosophy I started study theology and Eventually ended up as one of the chaplains at the University Which was a wonderful time to be able to evangelize among students in the meantime. I'm at Piquita and We got married. I think she will tell that story a little bit Well, yes, I was born in India Because my parents were missionaries there Methodist Missionaries My father was a pastor So so I grew up there until I was ten years old and I really love India very very much still And we have visited many many times and minister there But when I was ten we came back to Sweden and and Soon in my teenage years. I I was involved in the youth group in the Lutheran Church Which was very much alive and and they're centered around the Eucharist it was a sort of a could I say a Revival it was a high church and the Lutheran Church in Sweden is so many different groups. It's high church. It's low church It's very liberal parts too We so I enjoyed the Eucharist so much as a teenager but then in my early 20s that I I Met the charismatic revival and and I was sort of Yeah, I live I lived in those circles for some years and until I met Ulf and It was so wonderful to meet him It was it was a such a great blessing and we got married in 1976 Yes, and so we as as I became a chaplain the university we were involved also in the charismatic movement and eventually that led us to We saw the hunger Especially among young people for the word of God So we wanted to start a Bible school and as we did that we wanted to reach out a little bit further to to Christians everywhere and in this environment, which was the charismatic movement We eventually started a non denomination of charismatic church that church started to grow it's called word of life and The main emphasis was actually the Bible school people started to come from everywhere It was really a form of a Bible revival So step by step over the years there's been thousands of young people coming to this Bible school and this Bible school also reached out and Through the students that went out evangelizing and eventually going into missions. So many other Bible schools were planted this was in the 80s and We prayed a lot and Sweden's always been praying a lot about the Soviet Union and getting the gospel into the Soviet Union and then of course 1989 when the wall fell the Lord gave us a Wonderful golden opportunity and really challenged us to go into the Soviet Union. We didn't have the means for it but we had the the passion for it and the Lord provided the means and and in the very short time we were able to Go all over Soviet Union that eventually became Russia and all these different autonomous nations and preach and established churches and established Bible schools So after a number of years, I do this to say this rather quickly now, of course They it grew up. We did not start all of these but it was a movement it was like a avalanche actually and a golden opportunity actually a Cairo's moment to preach everywhere because they were so hungry after 70 years of communism. It was it was like a Their hearts were just so open and so thousands and thousands came to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ It was amazing. We had a train and we actually rented a train from the KGB It was amazing Well, this is amazing because we met a KGB officer and he heard me preached and he said, you know What you have you should come and and and say this in Russia said I'd be happy to do it and and He said I have a train and it's a communist propaganda train excuse me from for the Consumers comes them all which is the youth movement in the Communist Party in Russia and he said it's not going so well for us anymore So I said I'd be happy to rent the train from you So we took it from St. Petersburg to Abakan in Siberia from Abakan in Siberia to Khabarovsk at the Japanese Sea We did it in two summers and every place we stopped a church was planted every place We stopped there were thousands of people that came and listened and That received the law it was a it was a overwhelming It was an overwhelming experience and this went on in of course in Eastern Europe and Into Central Asia and eventually into the Middle East and eventually India China Taiwan, so we have been very engaged in admission in many different ways as At the same time the local church in Uppsala That was the hub in all of this grew and it became eventually the largest Sunday morning attendance For a local congregation in Sweden, so these were these were wonderful times and are wonderful times But in this something happened step by step we were in Albania and this was before the the government the Communist government fell But the culture minister was open to us and we said we want to come and preach the gospel in Albania And he said no no no you can't do that. I said absolutely not I said can we have a culture exchange program in Albania? And he said of course no problem So we bring our choir and we sing Swedish Christian songs because we're Christians and can I speak he said yeah, of course you can start the meeting as long as I can end it and And and we said we want two hours of television and He said no television. I don't know Well, we must have television is that we cannot do this. We want the biggest arena in Tirana the capital and we want television and he said okay There was one channel in Albania at that time. They had four hours of television per day. We got two of those This was 1991 we're able to preach the gospel there. I would say before the Communist President fell he actually called in right in the middle of the television program and demanded that they would stop it And they didn't we were able to preach and we heard so many testimonies About people receiving Jesus Christ as their savior one thing happened in Albania that that that shook me Man that was Secretary to the next president came up happy and he said this is wonderful. I am also a Catholic This experience have not left me to this day because I was like I'm not a Catholic I'm a Protestant And this in a split second this happened. I'm a I'm a Protestant and well justification on Lutheran Holiness I guess I'm Methodist That Baptist and well, I'm Baptist, but I'm not really Baptist because I do believe you know the president of the Holy Spirit This was just raising in my mind But I'm also Pentecostal believe in the and the Holy Spirit but I'm also charismatic because I do more than just believe one thing about the Holy Spirit and and And this just and as I was thinking this I saw this Tree big tree and I saw this branch and I was like hanging Way out here somewhere You know when you're in something so intensive you can think you're the center of the universe, but you're not of course so In an instant I felt I'm I'm I'm somewhere on this tree, but very far out So I didn't know what to say to this How can I explain to this person that I'm not a Catholic but I'm a Protestant, but I'm this and this and this I couldn't so I just said oh, that's wonderful But this this stuck with me This Catholic thing Just got in there and stayed it like a seat Yeah, that was 91 and then We started to be more engaged in unity We start at least he and I we started to think that this is this is crazy. How divided we are and By by the Millennium shift a thousand two thousand two I Started to Read about Saint Bigita, you know, it was her feast day two days ago The only Swedish canonized Saint and she lived in in the 1300s and because I have her name I and because of the Jubilee that was coming up I was interested in getting to know her better and this was a trap from the Lord so I Read a big fat novel about her life in the Middle Ages in Sweden It was very interesting and and hurt her if she moved to Rome and she did a lot of things She was a very very courageous woman and and she fascinated me, but I also was very disturbed by She had visions of the Lord and and he spoke to her very much But I was she also had visions of Mary and she spoke to him to her and this for me as a Protestant was very strange How can how can Mary speak to her? This is she must have gotten it wrong She must be a little bit confused that must have been the Holy Spirit, right? So so this this I couldn't understand But I kept reading more and more books about Saint Bigita and it was it it taught me a lot Anyway about her Catholic faith how strong it was and how how she was very very How should I say? careful with her theology She had these visions and and local low cushion. How do you say it? Locutions, you know what I mean She heard and and She rushed to her confessor to check it out. Do you think this is from God or am I just? Making this up dreaming So I like that about her She was so so careful and maybe because she was a lawyer's and the daughter of a Very famous lawyer and judge you would say in Sweden at the time. So so she had this mind very clear mind So this this I liked But I still couldn't understand this thing about Mary So This is about the time when we are planning to Go away from our lever church to go to Israel for to start start a study center We sent out from the yeah, we were sent out by the church To Jerusalem to start a Bible school and study center So so I'm reading this about Bigita and and now I think I Have to find out more about Mary now I'm very prejudiced I suppose I know how it is to be judged by other people in the society in Sweden We had been Precisely criticized heavily one could say as a free church and as a Bible believing church You know we're doing missionary work and our Swedish society is not so impressed by that So Anyway, I Where am I really? You know something I will do as the Pope Francis always says please pray for me Please pray for me So we You thought that we were we need to be objective here. We need to go to the documents. Yes, so so To to really learn about Mary and to understand her and what the church teaches about her this this intrigued me now and I read several book good Catholic books now about Mary Your book Came our way one of the first ones together with some other books and I loved your book and if he explained so much to me and Actually when I understood I wanted to understand two things the immaculate conception and the perpetual virginity it's never talked about in in in the Evangelical charismatic free free church world So I had no idea about this and it's very very very important And I it's actually been a problem to me because I was thinking we know that Jesus is this God second person in the in the Trinity and he was born of a woman but How if if there's not something special with Mary How can he actually take human form and be without sin if she is contaminated by sin original sin? Couldn't it didn't go together? And and you were you were thinking about this for years Yeah, I had I have been thinking of this for years because I'd never heard anybody including you my dear husband had never I Had never heard well I had other subjects to talk about Actually when I read the the words that explain her immaculate conception I have I have it written down somewhere here, and it was so good It helped me to find it because it's it's somewhere Just say it because just say it because I can't say it because it's so good Yeah, yeah, I can't find it but you know I Read it in the Pope John Paul's Little book about Was it called in Latin? Redemptoris matter, you know it. Yeah, there he explained it with with a very Pregnant words very strong words and when I saw it and I had thought about it. I Could understand it. I could see it and I could believe it and it was it was There are very big blessing to me, and I was so happy the puzzle that had had a missing piece came together Finally, and I was Very very thankful to Jesus She was happy for 14 days I'm still happy. Yeah, she's still happy, but I mean it was it was such a Every calm moment such a you know and she talked about it all the time but this Immaculate conception all the time and and it really really made sense What happened when in the end of the 90s? We started to come into contact of course in the mission fields. There was two things that happened first. We saw Some deficiencies in our own work How to handle different problems and we felt we lacked some of the tools the other we started to come in contact with Catholics living Catholics and there were charismatic Catholics, but also others that really impressed us And as we moved to Jerusalem to start this study, Sandy, we started to meet Catholics everywhere. I mean you Jerusalem you walk around the corner you go around the corner and there's a Catholic there. I mean there And you have to understand we come from it's not like Steubenville we come from Sweden You don't find Catholics everywhere in Sweden I don't think I've ever seen a monk for example before I went to Jerusalem. I told a nun. I said I've only seen you on postcards So this is the background and and and now we are in Jerusalem We're doing our work, but at the same time we have free time and we feel this drawing from the Lord Closer to the Catholic Church first we're a little bit frightened and frightened about it But there's some irresistible here that we cannot deny and the big ita is kind of charging on and So she starts with Mary And I'm like, can't you start with something else like you know? she was the for a Protestant couple like Ulfamy she was the Begin hindrance so to speak to to understand the Catholic Belief, yeah, so so we had to conquer that mountain first Yes, it's true and And and because I've heard many testimonies from Protestants that that has become Catholics that that Mary was the last thing That they were able to cope with for us. It was the first thing and It was a big big blessing for us. We came in through Mary in this sense It was an extra blessing for Ulfamy when we lived in Jerusalem We lived in ainkerem that if you have been to the holy land, you know That is the place of the birth of John the Baptist. It's a small suburb of Jerusalem a very pretty wonderful place So here we are in ainkerem the place That Mary rushed up to to help her her relative Elizabeth and We had our office just next to Mary's well in this in this village and we could all the time here the church bells and and From from the visitation visitation church is the place of visitation. Yeah, and it became so for us Because this is where we understood and and started to really love Mary So and now I found the place I was looking for Okay, this is what was written in the Pope John Paul's book the Virgin Mary in the first instance of her Conception by a singular grace and privilege granted by Almighty God in view of the merits of Jesus Christ The Savior of the human race was preserved free from all stain of origin the sin This was so logical to me and so good. So I wanted to read it to you. You know it all by heart I'm sure So we were reading a lot studying a lot and many things started to make really sense I must admit that I mean I understood this about Mary But I was a little bit as a protestant with the background that we have in Sweden has been staunchly protestant now secularized, but it's been so we we had a lot of anti-catholicism in us just by breathing the air and And and and the culture and and the sentiments that are there that we didn't really understand How deep it was so the thing about Mary Mary, of course Mother of Jesus no problem with that But there are other things that are more problematic and one night. I was just laying in my bed wrestling this I didn't tell the guitar that I was wrestling this but I was and So I don't get anywhere with this Mary thing So I well I read the Bible. I just took the Bible and and and it opened up so as good charismatic You know you just take the verse you see Shouldn't do that but in this cell in this case it really worked so so it opened up to Matthew 1 and Here I hear this is I read about the angel saying to Joseph do not fear to take Mary to yourself unto yourself and I'm like Okay Yes, praise God praise God it was was exciting days there in Jerusalem for three years and I when we started to to understand this we also asked ourselves Why have we never heard this before? In Sweden in our in our all our Christian years And I thought it is because we have a lot sort of an iron curtain between Rome and Scandinavia we we just Don't look that way in the churches you and in the media you never hear anything about the Catholic world so so we were just We we have been afraid Actually of the of the Catholic Church. We have been afraid of it was foreign It is foreign to so many Swedes and it was to us, but now we're getting healed from that So of course we started to Come across the Saints so and the first one that we came in in contact with was St. Faustina I had no idea who St. Faustina was at all and But I living in Jerusalem where I had to go over here to Seattle and preach for a weekend and then back again That was a long journey, but so with some friends that went to a bookstore and Just looking for something. It was a secular bookstore. Just looking for something to read on the way back and I'm passing this religious section and this this one book is jumping out Now it's not physically jumping out, but it's it starts like this So I pull it out It's a brown and it looked and it says the life of sound St. Faustina Who's that so I put it back and just went on and then and I could just sense So I said well nah and and these I was with two very evangelical Friends So I didn't want to buy that book. I went around One more time and passed it and and there was again saying buy me And I looked at it again And then I looked at them they were over there by the counter and I said no I don't do it so then I went to the counter to go out and then I said no You can go outside. I forgot something so go to the car then I went back Bought the book put it in a brown bag Seriously and Back in Jerusalem we both read the book and we're so impressed by so many things actually things that we understood things that we have Experience things that we from our background really made sense and and resonated in our inward being in our hearts And that was quite amazing. So St. Faustina John Paul to Made an amazing impression on us and a journalist in Sweden asked me, you know about our Church life and ministry is there something in an interview? Is there something you regret? He said This was a little bit later when we were back in Sweden but I interject this and so He said I said if there's anything I reject and he was anything that I regret and he was thinking about mistakes in the ministry Possibly a scandal something like that And I said no Well, there's one thing that I regret and he said what is that? Journalists are very curious. I said yeah one thing I regret that all these years up until now I never discovered the Pope John Paul to and he said what? But I regret that it was like we were living in parallel universes But in Jerusalem Through books and through other people's stories We started to to understand both the Catholic Church dogmas and also Saints and personalities and Not the least St. John Paul to which was an amazing discovery But then we moved back to Sweden again after three years. Not quite. I have a story here No And it's a very important one because when we moved to to Jerusalem one of the first days We lived there We took a walk in the old city in the Christian quarters and I saw a little statuette of Mary In a window and it was different from everything else It it to me it wasn't as do you say kitschy, you know, you you know the word too plastic It it was a sweet Statue of Mary with a jar of water in her left hand and little Jesus a boy on her right side And it was so nice so so Swedish wasn't it? I thought it looked Swedish So I I bought it And scribbled in the clay you could see the word Bethlehem So I figured and the man in the shop said the yeah, these are made by nuns Okay, I so we figured nuns in Bethlehem And we really wanted I really really wanted to go and see more of their things But I could never figure out where they were in she talked a lot about this She wanted to go every week. She talked about it She's more interested in ceramics than I am but but but it was there was something there was something It was a pool it was and in many ways you have been leading the way like this. There's some yes Yes, yes, absolutely Something that that gets stuck in you and then you just go for it until you find it. Yeah, and then I found it but it was Just a few months before we left Israel in 2005 I saw in Jerusalem post a big article about nuns in Bates shemesh another town and not so far from Jerusalem and they had a monastery there and They were making things in pottery in you know pottery and chocolate and marmalades and and And they had a picture that I realized these are these are the nuns. They don't live in Bethlehem. I they live in Bates shemesh and Their name is sisters of Bethlehem. So that's why it was scribbled Bethlehem. Okay So immediately we we Arranged it for a picnic with our staff we went there at one day and On Sabbath the Jewish people the Israelis love to go actually many of them love to go to catholic churches out in the countryside It's it's like a trip to another world for them They love and it's nice. I think it's it's a chance for reaching out to them That the church must not miss when all these Israelis come on Saturdays So so anyway, we we went there and it started to rain and we our picnic sort of we didn't know what to do And then we met the sisters and they said come come come in and then use our little room here And we sat down and had our picnic and they joined us and we we were absolutely Surrounded by angels and these three sisters and they were so so nice and said, please Let us show you our little church and we were we like them so much and we yeah, we wanted to see their church So we worked up on the roof and then back in the back of the church and stood on a small balcony looking into their church Limestone church very simple very beautiful and our secretary then her name was Abigail and she was from America she was We saw something happened with her. Yeah, she she just been leaned over the rail and looked down in the church because they're sat at one sister in adoration before the visit sacrament and And we didn't know if Abigail knew what this was So so it was but to it. This is this is adoration. I know she said and tears were streaming down her face and We thought looked at each other said wow, can she know this? Yeah, and and God is really touching her and you know that moment Abigail was called back to the catholic church something we didn't understand and no She to us. She was a word of life, you know, she had been to our Bible school in Sweden She was also was Baptist. We knew that she also was a Jewish because in her family. She also had Jewish heritage and this was the reason why she was in Israel. Yeah, that's why she lived now in Israel. She had immigrated and Then she says no, I grew up as a Catholic what We didn't know that she had been very She she has seen our development these years to become more and more positive to let me tell that this is fun because Because big it has started to buy little icons and little pictures of Mary and little things and she was giving them to Abigail all the time like this And she said oh, she just like my mother stop this And then this happens to her God is so good She had left the church in rebellion and in her teenage years she had left everything and Not until she was over 30. She had come back to the Lord, but then through the Baptists in New York I think it was So and then she had come to us and then then she had this drawing here Yeah, and so she started to go down every Sabbath She wanted to go there to just pray and be with the sisters and one day she went to the The priors and she said I want to become a nun And listen this and the and the and the priors said well, that's wonderful But first you must be a Catholic And she said yes, but but I am in my background. Okay. Okay, so you're coming back. Yes, so here's a Former Catholic Baptist charismatic messianic Jew that now wants to become a Catholic nun And so she said do you have anybody that recommends you? Yes, my Protestant pastor So this This priors which we now know and we have a wonderful Contacts and these Bethlehem sisters have meant so much to us over the years She looked at her and said so you mean that a Protestant pastor recommending a messianic Jew to become a Catholic nun Yes, yes, and and and then she said then the priors said then there must be a God in heaven The olive tree, okay So we go back to Sweden and and He goes back to his Job as a pastor and we were warmly welcome back by our church there But we have all these new experiences that we just Want to share of course with everybody and so so one thing we did was to take colleagues pastors and Other Christian leaders that used to come for seminars to and listen to to we started to invite invite them to come with us to Rome for for sort of a educational purposes, so to speak and And one but first we had a private trip to Rome And we went to with an American lady the Catholic one of the first Catholics that we got to Befriend she took us to Rome to introduce us to the Pontifical Council of Christian unity And we met some monsignors there and it was a nice little talk. We felt rather awkward. We didn't know really if they Well, it's language difference We were we were very you know still very Protestant and we felt Anyway, it was it was good to meet these wonderful men But then we she had gotten our tickets to the scurvy if you know the the excavation below St. Peter's Church and And it that's that's something everybody should go and see and we go down there and we're in the first century sort of Walking among the graves of the Roman time and slowly we get closer and closer to the center of this excavation and and we come to the place where We where we see the relics of St. Peter and What is believed to be him and I think it is and we stand there and look and we're totally totally amazed Shocked shocked in a positive way and they tell us the story how they found this. Yeah, and and Peter is very dear to us in Peter. We have read so much We have Ulfas preach so much about Peter and his boldness boldness and and courage So it was a great moment for us and as we go out of the church we come up We're just by the altar and this is also spoke very strongly to us Jesus said you are Peter and upon this rock I will be my church and here we come up in the middle of This huge church by the altar and we know that is built right on top of of the tomb of St. Peter It's amazing and for it really shook us so we go out And we stand between these huge pillars Looking out on the square St. Peter Square together with our American friend and something happened that is so unusual So so crazy really You see the sky a big sky over Rome and there's Thousands of birds always flying in big flocks Back and forth and in one instant all of these birds come together and make a Big exclamation mark. What do you say? We were so touched down by the grave and and just looking in there and And as I walked out this what beginner said this about Peter and I was thinking, you know Is this is this true? Is it it is Peter and if it's Peter? And and then what Jesus said is true, of course He's the rock and here the church is built on him and I was full of this but with the with the questions So we're walking out and all three of us Instantly together see this for a couple seconds huge, I mean the whole sky huge exclamation mark like this and it's like the Lord is saying didn't I tell you? Sometimes you need signs You need mine, but you need some signs as well So anyway back in Sweden, we wanted to educate our people really not try to drag the church into the Catholic church we at all but to be more open because the years of Being occupied of talking about unity and the need for unity We wonder our people to understand that the body of Christ is big It's rich and the Catholic Church Definitely not just belong to the body of Christ but in the center of the body of Christ So we did seminars we did tours to it to Rome and we've had a over-the-years a number of Pastor seminars with hundreds of pastors that we have brought together from our networks and we taught them about this and they were very very open It was actually a wonderful time and and there were four things that we felt the Lord told us in this time And it was number one that we should Discover this that we really should discover what God has in the Catholic Church The second was that we should appreciate it not be so skeptical and negative The third thing was that we should draw closer to it and the fourth was that we should unite with it now this fourth I didn't pay sorry to say so much attention to this fourth I put it back because this is too much but to Help our people to discover to help our people to appreciate that what that we felt that was necessary had a Experience in Israel that was quite remarkable. I'll tell it real quick We were walking down the valley Gemini Valley where we lived and there was an olive tree and as As an evangelical and as a charismatic and preaching faith and so on you can you know You have to watch it you can be arrogant and there were times when I was arrogant no question about it And the Lord dealt with that in this very instant. There is a It's almost like a replacement theology where where the newest movement says that everything we have replaced everybody else And this is something that goes on in Protestant Christianity quite a bit which is a form of C.S. Lewis calls it chronological snobbery So like the latest is the best and so on to be on the cutting edge all the time So we were walking down this little valley and there's a old old olive tree It's old that you can look right through it is holds right through it And I hear this little voice on the inside as I passed this tree is dead, isn't it? So I looked at it a glance at it and and kind of nodded. Yeah, it's dead And then I heard very distinctly look again So I looked again, and I saw this green leaves On this dry branches and these old trunk and Very strongly the Holy Spirit rebuked me right there. You never again Call anything dead Because that's what we have done sometimes in arrogance and pride, you know all churches. They're dead, you know They're God's not moving there. He's moving here and so on and and the Lord dealt with me and with us With this arrogance to open our hearts to be more humble and to appreciate What is not just has happened in the historic churches But what is going on in the body of Christ and in the Catholic Church? And this was something that I had to share back home and it opened the hearts of many Not to have this attitude and we were very happy. So I was very happy to be a happy Unity preacher and ecumenically inclined pastor But obviously that was not enough for the Lord No, and by this time I'm totally convinced That the Catholic Church is the church that Jesus founded and That it has been standing here for 2,000 years and now it's waiting for us I felt that if I have now found the truth to the truth it was we were searching all the time the truth and And here it is. We have seen it. We have understood it and we know it and we believe it Then then really you can't say no. Thank you Lord We can't come we have other obligations We felt we had a lot of obligations of course because the ministry over the years had grown and and we were Working not just in Scandinavia, but in many nations and also because in our environment there were this Anti-Catholic or the suspicion about Catholicism that was go that was going on So I was wondering and I came to the point that even if I wanted to I can't So I dragged my feet a little bit because of the responsibility. We were Helped graciously by the Bishop of Sweden a wonderful Carmelite Monk and Bishop that is the first Catholic Swedish Catholic Bishop since the Reformation So the things are picking up in Sweden. It's things are changing He was a wonderful wonderful man that understood us very well And that we're able to help us in in in many ways, but I was still dragging my feet Until one night two o'clock at night. I just woke up just absolutely woke up. I usually don't so When I do many times it is the Lord kind of nodding me So I woke up and this was now now we're in November to 2014 somewhere in that 13 13, I'm sorry 13 and I woke up and I heard this voice just saying It's time to jump into the water and Then there's two ways you can go into the water. You can go by the way of Jonah or you can go by the way of Peter One way or the other it's time to get into the water And I kind of figured what that meant. I said, okay, so the next morning I said I told begin I think I think it's about time now for us to do it So step by step leading up to the 9th of March 2014 where we cost quite a story in our nation when we publicly declared that we in our in our church Sunday morning service that we were going to be Catholics But that was also quite a relief and now we know that this is what we wanted to do This is what the Lord wanted us to do and 21st of May 2014. We were received by Bishop under