 Okay. Got it. Okay. You're live. Okay. Great. And now I'm going to go ahead and share my stream. Thank you so much. I will bin. Fantastic. Yeah, so Robin, once I kind of go through the basic introduction, I'll go ahead and hand over to to you. Yeah. Welcome everybody. Thank you for joining today. Really excited to have a special guest today and a very interesting presentation. Before we do that I wanted to kind of open up by reminding everybody that we do follow the Linux foundation and I trust policy. So as you get involved with the city is you get involved with our work be sure to familiarize yourself with that. We also follow the hyperledger code of conduct. So also something definitely to to review for your participation within within the specialist group and hyperledger overall. We did pause for a moment before we kind of kick it off and hop into things to see if there were any new, new people on the call today, your first call with the climate action and accounting special industry. Please feel free to just give a shout or raise your hand. We'd love to hear from you. Do you have anybody. Okay, I guess I should do it. Please I say yeah just maybe have a little bit share just share a little bit about well share I'd like to hear just a little bit before you kind of hop into you be sharing overall like you know what you're doing but would love to hear about, you know, at a high level what you're working on and from what you know about the SIG, you know, how how how we kind of intertwine and how we play in the same sandbox. Exactly. Yeah, thank you so much. I think I first got introduced to the work that you guys are doing through Robin, and I think with Robin we are sharing also a little bit of topics in common. And so basically, my name is Lucas. The name sounds pretty German. Yeah, I spent a few years in Germany I originally come from France. I've been involved in the production space in since about three years, where I started positive auction as a as a basically a movement or community call it the way you want. Basically it's a nonprofit association exploring the application of production for social and environmental good. And obviously today I'll share a little bit more about this. So my interest in that space has been really broad, but basically studying the interlink between the technology and the SDGs. So very broadly looking at a whole range of different use cases. I did part of my day job, because they used to be rather my night weekend job in the past but I'm making it my my my day job as well so I stepped in as a lead Europe for variety tracking. It's a very high traceability solution for sustainability market. So what we're doing essentially is recording every carbon intensity related data throughout the value chain of core based biofuels. So biofuels as an example of a product that is highly relevant for, you know, the energy transition and clean technology and transportation especially looking at the Europe for example. We have biofuels accounting for about 3% of sustainable aviation fuels nowadays, and the Green Deal and the fit for 55 so the climate packages from the EU, except expect it to raise to about 63%. So 63% of the fuel from basically the aviation industry is going to be biofuel. But what does mean biofuel, you know, how how carbon intense is biofuel. There are a lot of different technology with different feedstocks, you know, crop based or based on cooked oil and so on. And I think we need to see more transparency and more visibility in the carbon intensity. So this is a starving use case in the US. And it's in MVP. And there are many other segments that we get to approach exactly in the same way. So you were talking about natural gas, but there are also a lot of applications in, you know, green chemicals green steel green hydrogen. Basically all these industries which have a strong link with with ESG and with the reporting that they will make and the claims that they will make for sustainability, whether whether these are carbon credit claims or carbon offsets or removal claims or, you know, whatever green certificates to basically justify how low of carbon intensity is there in their products. So, yeah. That are you just out of curiosity that sounds like you're focusing on the MRV part of the challenge and maybe even the standards that standards that go into that is that kind of the focus there. Yeah, that's that's exactly that. So the project comes out of a joint venture between a biofuel producer in the US which is Jivo and block size capital which is a digital asset tech company so basically building technology mainly for institutional banking and capital capital markets. But they have interesting capabilities for tokenization smart contract and also bridging with, you know, the future of tokenized commodities, which are very highly interesting in the markets nowadays. Right, so so the project emerges out of this joint venture, which I think is a quite interesting combination to so not only focus on the MRV, which is the first step, but also bridge it with tokenization capabilities in the future. Because obviously you want you want to bridge it and to offer it to potential buyers right. I'm very interested in sharing a little bit about the work that we're submitting to the sets for the gas flaring because the very part of that is a kind of a tokenization network that Bertrand, who is going to join the call was going to maybe speak about a little bit but it looks like he's not on there yet. Okay, well thank you very much Lucas looking forward to your presentation. And I'm going to see I see Al Fahimi to here. Please share a little bit about yourself and how you actually pronounce your name because I think I probably just butchered it. And how you heard about the sick. Okay, hello everybody. I hope you can hear me very well. Yes, we can hear you. Yeah, because I'm in Morocco and my internet is not so so good. Okay, that's perfect. Yes. Okay, well, well, I'm, I'm a student in computer science. I just finished my master degree on cloud computing and software development. And the project was about hyperledger fabric. It was about building a network that let universities and schools to to certify and add their credentials and papers in the in the blockchain. So I spent like three to four months trying to put things together and build that up. And then at the end it was, it was not so bad. And then I followed the hyperledger on LinkedIn. And I just saw about you today. And then I was like, okay, we'll just get there and see what's, you know, what we get. So that's why I'm here. Right. Yeah, we're the cool kids on the block and welcome. Okay. The work that we're doing is pretty exciting. And the interesting thing about the climate action and accounting special interest group is that our work often bridges across to the other work or the other other six. So we're finding this and really fun to start working across across different six special interest groups and and we welcome you and we're excited to have you so thank you for joining. I don't see anybody else's hand raised so I'm going to assume that there's nobody else on the call. It's new. Okay. Okay, so before we hop into the presentation that Lucas is going to give I wanted to do a little bit of quick housekeeping, just to flag a couple things that that were important that were coming up. The first is the hype ledger foundation mentorship program. This is an opportunity for anybody who has a project that they're working on to submit that project to the hyper ledger foundation for consideration for the mentorship program is these these that the mentorship program is funded so these are paid mentorships. If you do it, I highly recommend focusing the mentorship on on development development projects because those are the ones that are oftentimes the most difficult to recruit for so if you have something that you want to build and you need some more support. Take a hard look at that the proposals are due by March 9. Number two, another area of support for any projects you're working on is the hyper ledger challenge submissions are due March 1 it's a link there. This is a really good opportunity to, I would describe it as kind of a prolonged hackathon. There are three different stages, where you go through ideation, you go through, I think kind of prototyping. You go through development and all the way through the hyper ledger foundation has mentors and different support to kind of move you through the process, as you kind of qualified to move to the next stage. You know they have a group of people that are that are kind of assessing and seeing which which projects progress. So, it's not, you know, automated that you're definitely getting all the way through. You need to put something out that that is competitive with all the other good ideas that are out there but very good, very good opportunity, or for getting a lot of support get getting kind of a lot of awareness around your project, and, and, you know, moving moving forward. The next meeting I went to flag we've got a really interesting presentation coming up from the BC government and the open earth foundation. They're building a missions tracking around carbon accounting for for mining with the British government so this is, you know, real world use of the technology. And this most you might as my know Martin Weinstein was from the open earth foundations actually was the founder of this special interest group. And so really excited to see what Martin has been doing over the past couple months, or I would say year with the with the British government I've been hearing a lot about it. But I haven't really had a chance to kind of see the nuts and bolts of how it's working so highly recommend that one on on March 8. The last thing I wanted to mention for the hyperledger challenge summit we we do actually have a project that's been submitted by by this special interest group. And I'll just kind of pulled up real quick I'm working on it so I'm pretty excited about it. But essentially, it is the idea is to help to begin developing a registry for tracking carbon emissions. But tracking carbon carbon emissions but also the activities that are decreasing them in the gas fuel supply chain, beginning with the the gas flaring. So this is how we provide this that opportunity to kind of build not only the the the distributed lever technology that will be able to kind of capture that emissions across multiple steps in the scope three supply chain, but it's also going to allow us to begin to begin kind of developing expertise around kind of establishing standards within within this very specific industry, and all the things that go into measuring reporting and verifying that so these are all kind of critical pieces of the puzzle. And so we've submitted this for consideration for the hyperledger challenge. We've also submitted it for a pilot initiative that's being sponsored by Vera standards body. So in the process of talking to potential corporate sponsors or corporate sponsors or partners that would be willing to work with us in the kind of oil and natural gas industry. So we can really kind of kind of get our arms around the problem. But that is it. I'm just going to see if Bear Tron is on because he I didn't see you on this. I'll let you speak to a little bit because this is really something that our chart has been spearheading. Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, sure. We're a little late to the call and just just signed on now. Sorry, I'm calling in some later times. But yeah, just, yeah, I guess just to give a little background on why what this project's for and why we're doing it. So the, the sort of motivation for this project it gets to this challenge that's called value chain reporting. So people have often heard about scopes and scope three. And this project is sort of intended to help a dialogue, you know, get a conversation started but also building tools to look at how you track emissions. In the case of this specific project like Sherwood talked about waste emissions and a fuel supply chain and these are things like, you know, an oil and gas well they'll flare gas or they'll leak methane. People may have heard about this, you know, it's, it's, it can be a major source of global emissions. So looking at that as a sort of first sort of step in the supply chain. But the, the tooling that we're building is to look at this broader problem of then tracking emissions not just from the production of oil and gas but then the production of energy intense commodities like drive commodities like cement and steel that use shields like oil and gas and tracking those embedded emissions or, you know, value chain scope three emissions through the supply chain. So we've been building some tools, taking elements that that team members of the SAG have already built with this open open source operating system for climate action, and sort of creating the tracking logic and infrastructure for it so called smart contracts, you know, built as a layer two on top of a blockchain network. And that's, that's what we're doing and this is our POC to sort of show that it, you know, it's practical it can it can be used in a for real world problem, like managing waste emissions. Yeah, and in a fuel network. Thank you those the really clear description much better than I did to thank you for that. No problem I've been working on it for a while. Okay, so I don't see any questions. So I think we'll hop right into the presentation so Lucas and Lucas I'm going to try and your last name is that it's okay. Okay, yeah, so he's going to be presenting on positive blockchain IO really into this is an open directory and community exploring black applications of blockchains in the SDG space. So really excited to kind of hear about the work that he's doing also doing work around with Verity tracking around MRV which we're all interested in. So I'll, I'll let you take it away Lucas. Thank you so much. No thank you thank you guys and from what I've heard in the past few minutes. It seems, it's really well aligned with the area I'm digging in right now. And, and, yeah, really happy to connect and explore further, you know synergies in these areas so today I'm not going to focus so much on the Verity and MRV but rather talk about positive blockchain. I don't think I've been involved in in the past three years. And again I'm really sorry for the setup. I had a laptop crash about an hour ago, and I appreciate Robin or whoever is in the background, displaying the slides. So next slide please. Okay, next slide. Okay, great. So what about today so I'm going to tell you shortly about positive blockchain. You know a little bit of facts or what have we learned in the blockchain and social and social and environmental impact. But I also want these to be quite practical for people to, you know, it's a community so it should be also open for people to take action. Use the data we have use a directory on build on it. Get your projects on board. I would be happy to list many more projects that are actually leveraging hyper ledger technologies for social and environmental impact because I think they're not necessarily very well flagged or visible in the directory and that'd be great. But also sharing other culture actions. One of the topics that was mentioned in the introduction is about mining. And we have an upcoming contribution to the kinshasa blockchain week in Republic Democratic of Congo and actually, of course, you know mining as you may know as was one of the case they may be interested to look at. And then you also mentioned about codes of conduct and principles that apply to hyper ledger and we believe it's something quite missing in the blockchain for good space overall. Of course, you know different technologies across different organization and we'd like to kickstart an initiative around building principles for positive blockchain or call it blockchain for goods. We are not set on the title yet. And this is surely something what some of you can get involved as well. Next slide. Yep. Next slide please. Right. So positive blockchain started with a strong base in Europe, but also more and more global contributors as a nonprofit. It's, it's, you know, legally an association so nonprofit community open database media platform exploring blockchain in the SDGs. Currently we have exactly 1150 projects and startups that are registered on the directory and this is one of the main work we've done. Obviously we've done also a lot of events, webinars, different projects, writing reports during, you know, research projects, supporting Park and also publishing a little bit of content so that people get more aware of the application of this technology for social good. Next slide. The community is powered by by people for people right so there is no like major corporation or technology partner behind we are all volunteers. And we also invite anybody else to to join as contributor or as ambassadors. I would say a half of the people already in the blockchain space and the rest are probably working in social impact area, you know, public institutions and things like this so that gives an interesting mix of crowds, which tries to to work on the mission of organizing the web of knowledge in blockchain for good. Next slide. So how do we started so basically I think we started mainly to fall in love with the problem and not the solution. So we don't see, you know, blockchain as being applied for, for whatever problem out there but not focusing on technology first but rather focusing on what are the issues that people society at large and organization or facing, whether it's related to trust, you know intermediaries efficiencies services that they don't get access to. And I think we really have to take this into consideration when starting blockchain venture or blockchain project in the social good space is fall in love with the problem. So the next slide you see that some of this problem are still really present today so I don't want to dig too much into these details because I guess you're all aware of the SDGs. And some of the burning issues that we're still having these ecosystem or you see some of the figures here in terms of access to insurance access to electricity services cost of remittances globally. So really the way we have started also in order to map the the blockchain applications out there to to structure them in issues faced by the people. Next slide. Obviously, I think, you know, by now, everybody, especially if you've been in these calls and involved in the blockchain technology for a while, you have explored application across multiple areas. And I will explain a bit later on the way we are structured it in the directory. But obviously you find applications that have been piloted across multiple areas I selected in the next slide, a couple of them. Just also to explain where do we get the inspiration from and which which project we see as having a potential impact. And you can go to the to the next slide. The projects are actually pretty old. And actually this one that you see right now mobilized construction is even a vaulted. So we saw many projects popping up in 2016 1718 with great ideas, you know, to change the world in a way that actually some of them haven't succeeded. And it's interesting to look back at it because many of these ideas behind the projects are very valid today. And many new technologies when we talk about the DeFi, you know, the dowels, the regenerative agriculture finance movements or kind of enabling this project to really take scale and happen today. This one is one of a personal inspiration. It's a case in Kenya. It's actually an entrepreneur from New York who decided to live in Kenya and realize the world infrastructure is pretty bad over there. So the idea of that project was to collect what data through sensors that you would place on motorbike or ambulances or public cars and basically map out whenever there's issue on the road. And so you see it on the sensor with the bump on the road, because usually you have the World Bank and being institutions that would come and do 50 kilometers of road, which is very, very costly. And this is not what you need. What you need is to identify the critical points on the map and get the work for local entrepreneurs and not get basically German consultants and Chinese construction companies if I can simplify that way. So that was really the intent on display this on the map issue smart contract locally, which could be funded by micro PPPs with the local communities and then get decentralized application for the verification of the good quality work. So local community can use an app and basically assess the quality of that work. And I think we still get to see some of this project more and more in the future, whether it's on infrastructure construction on health care, using the same models. And for me that was quite inspiring and you can go to the next slide. And this is a little bit similar. Some of you guys may be aware of the work of Julian Circo at proof of impact, which, which he left by now, but these guys were some of the early organization to think of how to decentralize the MRV process in forestation and project. You know, how do you get people to use applications to record data on trees in local forest and spread it around a decentralized network of verifiers. Also using things like a Google capture for people on their phone to basically comment and assess what they are seeing about the good health of a specific forest or specific tree. I've been also quite inspired by these personally, also the work that the open forest foundation is recently doing. And these guys are setting starting last year, but the, the, there are many more project in that space they're basically taking exactly the same approach, especially for carbon markets for natural based solution and natural capital preservation. So yeah, quite quite interesting projects to look at and these are differently some of the examples that we're tracking the database. You can go to the next ones. And I will not stop too long. I mean, 2015 and 16 I started to read about blockchain on, you know, for, for carbon deposit and carbon credits. And somehow, nothing much happened in the past four or five years, right. Well, we had Nori in the US, you had a couple of projects out there. And I think since about a year, there's a complete boom. And I myself now have a lot of difficulties to track the number of projects which are trying to use DLTs, you know, for this market and I think it's really encouraging. But yeah, it's, this is why it's super interesting to follow the strengths and look at what are the, the technology and what is the level of maturity of this technology that will really help the real adoption. A project like Klima Dow and took an protocol that could have been designed four years ago, but they are only maturing now and spreading to the mass because people have access to this technology to the Dow, the DeFi ecosystem starts to build up and I think these are these are really good thing. Next slide. So you can go through the, oh yeah, I'm sorry there. There were a few animations, but I guess we don't have to explain this. So you can go to the next slides all this quickly. These are, these are some of the examples of all the projects that we got inspired from and also to show that all of these guys are pretty old, but they are showing where the market is moving right now in terms of blockchain for social good. We saw traceability of fish in the supply chain, plastic banks, bounties, networks, mobilizing people for good cause, which is basically what those are doing. And all of this is basically to say that the ideas of today are the big successes of tomorrow. Again, many of the projects that I just saw before, they were like, you know, initial talks and pilot and ideas four or five years ago. These were some of the first projects that I got on the database about three and a half years ago. And some of them didn't succeed, but some of them are getting traction and becoming big today. So my message for you is that if you're working on some of the small ideas and planting a seed, it's definitely going to help to solve big problems, but it may take time, but it's definitely be successful in the future. So next slide. From my perspective and looking at the blockchain database, and I will give a little bit more insight about the database on diesel. Let's say the hot topics that you can see on the slides and I'd be interested to know if you see the same way, but you know, looking at 1000 project at a time or 2000 project at a time. So this is more or less how we have seen the topics maturing regularly. So financial inclusion and extra big topic was supply chain to stability. Then of course you had maturation of digital identities as being a key enabler across all use cases. And more lately we've talked a lot about natural asset conservation, you know, NFT for impact, NFT for good, and all these initiatives they're also falling in that space, NFT for preservation. There's the arc notes in Europe, they're also selling NFTs so that you can buy some preservation land on the Greenland. So some of these ideas are emerging right now. I think another big topic that we have right now is self organized and self protecting communities like that could be for the common goods, or for, you know, civic good in general in society and this is enabled by the And the big topic I think for 2022 and the next years it's going to be refi. You see it spreading everywhere with communities. They are trying to experiment with regenerative agriculture regenerative finance. It's also kind of overlapping with two previous boxes, but this is not like let's say scientific, but it's more on my personal observation of where the big trends going through the years. And please feel free to comment or ask or tell me if you totally disagree because what I'm saying is wrong. Next slide. By the way, I think you have the link of the slide in the chat and it can be posted later on. There are some links which are included later on for the course to action. So feel free to check it out and explore for yourself. As of today you can download this database on the website. There are a lot of mapping that are accessible out there to kind of map the ecosystem of blockchain for good. But sometimes I think they're a bit limited in terms of the data and the categorization they do in a way that it doesn't really enable real research to be made. So it's good to be like a big ID chart or like a knowledge graph where you see how the projects relate. But the work that we've tried to do is to collect many more data on the technology use, the headquarter, the year of creation, who's the founder, where do they have the implementation projects and so on. And this is a starting point for many research projects, whenever it comes from universities or think tanks, research institutes. So we definitely invite you to join the effort and put projects on the database, help us also learn more from the database because there's a lot of analytics and learning that we can get out of it. Perhaps explore more visualization tools to understand the trends in this ecosystem. Out of this database and again you can download it today and do your own work. We have about 53 projects that are active today. It means all the rest are aborted or ended or pivoted and I think that's the reality of the startup space. So from all the projects we started to track in 2016, 17, 18 and so on, we already have 47% closed. And I think this is not rubbish. This is actually really interesting information to keep to understand, you know, why they close, what are the difficulties, what are some of the concepts that were perhaps too early, like mobilized construction that we can take in the future. Okay, next slide. Yeah, so you can see here are 14 categories. So this is the way the database is structured and 57 subcategories you see on the right, the gray box, the way it's structured for climate and environment. And obviously there's a lot of improvement to be made in the database itself. So again, if anyone is interested in this work, please feel free to reach out to us. But as for now, you can at least, you know, download, use it, understand the trends, identify projects that you want to benchmark. And that's it. Okay, next slide. Thank you for the comment in the chat, by the way. The example of the outcome is also to publish reports. This is also something available that we've done with the DJ, which is a think tank on decentralization. We interviewed about 25 experts working across different cases and different projects. So yeah, if you want to learn more and have a more like qualitative or detailed approach, I suggest this report for preparing another one also on blockchain for good with much more updated data and cases that would be published I think in one or two weeks with partners and universities in France. It's going to be in French and English. Okay, next slide. That's just, again, I had to take, we just uploaded a new version of the database, I think, yesterday of a few days ago. So we keep publishing new newer versions. And I just made a quick chat, quick charts before my laptop crashed in the afternoon about the visualization of projects out there. So you see there are quite a lot in healthcare, logistics, trustability, identity and ownership, agriculture and food, which is a space that is definitely booming right now. Next slide. Yeah, that's a little bit about headquarters. I think that's something we have to explore a little bit more because, you know, sometimes you have projects that are completely decentralized so they don't really identify with a specific headquarter. So it's interesting to look at the country of operations of this project. So where do they have their implementation projects, right, or they're working on on like in the US, or is it like a New York start up that is active in Kenya. Right, so we see all of that we're trying to structure the data a little bit better to be able to display this this kind of train a trend and interlink in the future. So we see for now they're a lot in the USA, they're a lot in Europe, and these are some of the main countries. We may have a bias by, you know, sometimes having access to subsets of data that are a bit closer to our region or closer to specific technologies or specific industries whenever we have research projects, but that's ongoing development. Here we have the headquarter data on 945 projects. So I think it's pretty, pretty representative, at least for the subset we have. Okay, next one. Yeah, we have an ongoing research project. We also were involving French universities where we also want to understand, you know, the link between technology and industry of applications or areas of application. That could also help to understand why, you know, one technology would be, I don't know, more relevant for health care than another. Perhaps there's interesting learning about this. This is ongoing. Obviously, we observe that many projects move across technologies, many are agnostics, many are using different production technology. At the end of the day, sometimes it's not really what matters the most for them. But I think when you work on the technology side, it's perhaps an information that's relevant. And also, as I said, I would like to have a bigger representation of hyperledger. That would be great. So if there are people here willing to contribute with more data sets, that'd be great. Okay, next slide. Yeah, and I just finished with few calls to action. Feel free to, you know, propose any improvement about the database itself, do research. We have universities, and it's pretty much starting since last year, but they want to do research based on the database on sometimes it's more financial data that they're looking at, sometimes it's about management of organization, like in a management point of view. You know, what does blockchain change in the way companies and people are collaborating. And that's, that's in field of management studies that doesn't have looked at the blockchain so closely, especially now that we're talking about, you know, Web three and those. It's going to change a lot on the way people collaborate values being created. You need more in Italy is the example of university looking at this and they're doing this, you know, they're starting their research based on the database. So that's the first call to action. And it's really open for ideas. The next one. So the next one is about the kinshasa blockchain week. It's not. It's not official yet. I'm talking again tomorrow with representative of Democratic Republic of Congo. As some of you may know they have started digital roadmap for 2025 in Africa you have some countries like Kenya and Nigeria South Africa they have taken a much more proactive step. Since few years already to, you know, define the strategy for blockchain and Congo is really behind. The good news is that they can learn from many other projects where and many other countries, whether it's in Africa or in Europe or in other regions. And the call to action here is to contribute. So if you go to the slide and you click click on the button for contributing below. Normally you will pop up. You will see the survey where you can put your name on some use case that you would like to present over there. This should be in June 6 to 12. And there will be a little bit more announcement on it probably in the next two or three weeks. But you can already sign up as I say to stay in touch with common any case any project any, you know, ecosystem partner. It would be great to have a sort of representation of hyper ledger as well in terms of technology provider and especially the working groups which are working on some of the nice use case. So, when when looking at the priority areas, Congo has as a country, obviously many challenges but the discussions we've had so far they include challenges in land titling. Right so ownership, property titles, public registries in general energy systems, mining, global trade, education. So these are some of the areas that have been mentioned and there will be a bit more refined to help structure the blockchain week. Next one. Yeah, and the last one is about principles in blockchain for good. You know, we've had struggle ourselves to define blockchain for good and people don't like to use blockchain people don't like to use for good. Sometimes people they see IBM tracking manual on the blockchain and they tell us, oh, that's bullshit. It's not for good. So, yeah, we're hearing everything. I think we're here to try to raise awareness and do a little bit of knowledge in that space. But we would indeed, I think everyone would benefit a lot to have this kind of guiding principles. You know, what should we look for whenever we come to design and deploy blockchain applications in the SDGs. What are our values and principles to follow in terms of, you know, like user experience, user inclusion in terms of sustainability or eco consumption or energy consumption of a blockchain we use in terms of ethical guidelines. So there are a lot of topics I think to address. And we're starting a process that will take about three or four months with different stages, including workshops, surveys. And we try to be also inclusive as much as possible of different groups. So it's not per se a positive blockchain initiative, although we're, you know, kick starting it. It's going to be something neutral behind which many organizations could stand. So, and I also propose to Robin that I think the work that you guys do is pretty, pretty much aligned and would be great to have a representation of your voice in this call for interest. That's it for me. I'm happy if there are any questions. Again, really, really happy that you guys took the time. And if we can make a small difference with some of the volunteering time our people have, that's amazing. Thank you. Okay, all the other any questions. She would be still muted. Thank you again. And thank you so much Lucas. I said she word here's to the muted. Yeah, I'm still I'm still muted Lucas. Thank you I have a lot of questions, but I'll just start with one. So one of the things that when I look at all these different projects within the database that I kind of think about as far as the SIG is, you know, are there opportunities, are there tools or their ways for collaboration for information sharing. For example, I think about governance right you, the database itself has a lot of different organizations are using different technology platforms. So while it might not always be possible to kind of collaborate in that way. Are there ways for people to share best practices about what's working for them kind of developing a good governance approach to different projects. I think that's a great idea. And actually, we started to collect more but that you know we started to have a FAQ for each project also to understand what's your what's your change theory, what do you want to see change in the war right. What's your impact data. So we started to add more and more. And then we realized it's a mess, because when you want to do it at scale at the level of a directory of 1200 projects is really difficult to keep track of that. So just to explain, you know, it's fully transparent that we took a step back and say, let's focus on quantitative data that will help, you know, map where we are right now. And actually we want to go with more qualitative data. So, you know, best practices written of experience what works or not like impact related data as well I think that'd be really excellent and I think that's also the way people can use the database and I'm not saying this has to stay on the database. Somehow, and you know we've had a lot of universities or people doing research they're like okay where do I start. And I'm like oh take the database make your subset of 50 projects and get in touch with them, and then find it out and we are interested to get this information back. So on the website we also have a database of papers, like research papers which have been done in the in the blockchain for good space. And I think this is the way we want to channel it back. Obviously we have also like our own capacity and resources and can't do everything so I think our first step is really to focus on good, like, you know, good quantitative data on the directory and let people add more qualitative layer. But yeah, that's, I think that's what everybody is looking at. And I remember 2018 or 19. Also, we were working with the GIZ on the supply chain of cotton, which is by the way a project where IBM is still involved. Together with GIZ it's the German development agency. And we collaborated with them and they were also asking exactly the same question like okay, hey Lucas, we have this project in supply chain in the textile industry. So what are the best projects out there and what can we learn from them, like the way they design, the way they make impact, the way they reach, you know, the audience and so on. And I was like, yeah, let's do it. But it's, it's, it's difficult also because at that time you still had a lot of startup, you know, they were just starting like they don't have data that they don't have impact data. They're doing a pilot they're doing MVP that doesn't say anything about the way they're reaching scale or the weather better than others. So yeah. I think it's a good time now because now you see that many projects are maturing. I will get to learn more and I'm really glad that I see a lot of research, a lot of papers, a lot of studies, interviews, of course webinars and so on. And I think that's the package we need. Ideally, we need to structure the way we learn from them, you know, in terms of ecosystem, and whenever you want to jump in that field, you know what to get the information. Again, we're open to ideas for that. No, I think you answered my question. I mean, essentially what I was trying to angle at was how, how do I help the members of this thing. Use and participate and I think the answer is using the database to find projects that are similar to the challenge that you're facing, and just reach out to them and have conversations. If they're two or three years ahead of you are what the issues are going to be, how did they, you know, get participation, what were their steps towards governments, how did they design the system. And sounding like it's it's an open collaborative community, you're much more highly likely to have somebody be willing to take the time to kind of help you out. So it's just a level of collaboration that's super useful and I think we'll definitely add it to the SIG resource page and maybe kind of incorporate that is kind of a step to consider as people are developing projects, and certainly, certainly kind of submit some of the different active projects that we have, because it allows us to have other people reach out to us who are trying to tackle the same problem. So, yeah, very useful. So, and just to answer one of the questions that pops up in the chat, related to this, there is indeed the Refide DAO and I'm on the, I'm on the telegram channel, I'm on the discord as well. And I see the work that Xavier is doing at the Refide DAO and all the other people and I think it's amazing and actually these guys are, you know, I think we're, they are really like in the web through space. They're adopting also great visualization tools as I see for the database itself, which I think is amazing. So we're in touch. And the idea is also to incorporate their data in the global directory. But I think the way they intend to do it, again, like the way I saw it right now, it's an overall mapping where you have tags and you see the way projects related to tags. Or once you want to know a little bit more and do, you know, like, like more trend analysis or more analytics, it's for now it's a little bit limited. And of course it's difficult layer, but that's, that's the way we, we try to approach it. But yeah, also our goal is to, because we know this, this work of directory and listing project is being done by, you know, the Ethereum Foundation, the Hyperlegium Foundation, the Cardano Foundation. So everybody is doing the work. ReFi is not doing it within ReFi. So ideally, everybody work together to pull all the data that they're collecting in the similar database so that we have, we have a general view and this is, I think, where a positive blockchain is fitting. Yeah. Cool. I don't know if there are any, any more questions, but I'm happy to, yeah, get in touch with with anyone who would like to engage a little bit more with blockchain. Yeah, definitely have more questions. For positive blockchain.io, what, what was, what's been the most successful for you in building awareness for, for the initiative, getting the word out. I mean, we got, yeah, about positive blockchain itself. Yes. I like the question is a good question. To be honest, I think the more where we had the biggest momentum was what when we were. It doesn't speak for global asynchronous collaboration, but it's when we had all our meetups in Berlin. That was excellent. So we were the, the tribe lead for blockchain for social impact at impact, impact hub, which is a big like co-working and acceleration for social impact and social entrepreneurs. And we, we did a thing about 12 meetups within a year or a year and a half. So almost once per month. And we always had like 300, 200, 300 signups. And what was really interesting is that people got what we were trying to do is to get people from technology and people outside the technology. Right. So it was not like a pure Web three workshop or conference. It's not Defcon. It's not East Denver. It was something else. So we were, for example, getting people from the institution responsible for the database of passport in Germany. Right. So these guys, they represent the establishment, but they know how passport is done. And we were bringing tech startups in the digital identity space and we let, you know, we organize that panel to basically, you know, have, have, have a rich debate. Not only from the technology perspective, but confronted with the social impact or, you know, public service perspective. I think that was really impactful. People liked it a lot. It was very rich in the way we could dig more in the quality and learn from the projects. So, yeah. And now we are like, Hey, we want the events back. But, you know, everybody is fully online so far. But I think this is working well. And having ambassadors out there is another great thing that we're developing as well. So we know that many people cannot be full-time contributing in your community or organization. They cannot build the database. They cannot spend time to, you know, crunch data or whatever or build a website. But they're connected. They talk to many people out there. They go to conferences. And I think these are great connectors to connect in that space. I'm assuming for the ambassadors, do you have a page that I could look at? They could describe, for example, if I wanted to become an ambassador, what's involved, what to do, you know, structure. We are preparing it. We're preparing it. But yeah, because, you know, we've had a lot of contributors who came in. So right now we have about 30 contributors. But I think we had 30 others, which at some point they came in positive, at positive blockchain to contribute. And you know how it is. It's the same on Discord. It's the same on Telegram. It's the same in all these communities that come. They are active for a month and then they go. And I think we learned a lot from that, like what keeps people motivated, what keeps them engaged. So from my experience, I think communities that do it really well, they mobilize people on very concrete projects at the end. For example, I see it, I follow a bit Cardano community, the way they engage people on the project catalyst. So different funding rounds for supporting projects out there and also funding them physically. I think it's well made because people have like a very concrete assignment, very concrete projects to work on. And this helps to, you know, channel conversation, collaboration and so on. Because otherwise, you're not sure that it's going to match the interest of people behind specific initiative and then people go. Sure. I think it's two short questions, hopefully short. So one is just a clarification from I was wondering, you were talking about focusing on collecting quantitative data for the database rather than quality. If you give me example of what type of quantitative data that you're collecting, I guess I need to dig a little bit more myself to see what you guys have. And the second question was, so have you, so imagine you're building essentially you're managing this database of all these, you know, blockchain for good entities. Have you thought of like creating some sort of system where it's something like a Dell where you could then create allow entities that you're into entering to this database to start managing or interacting with it in some way like updating entries. I don't know. I have to have that understanding of what you're actually collecting. But if you thought about that. Yeah. Well, thanks a lot. So the data we're collecting is so categories subcategories stg headquarter technology used year of foundation or launch launch year. Technology technology used I said it. That's the type of data description short description long description links. And we added a couple of more like secondary data, for example, user based, I think is interesting number of project that gives an idea of the scale and you know the size of the project. But a lot of these data. It's very, very quickly outdated. So we decided to focus on a core set of data, you know, data that doesn't move every three months as well. And I know people want to know much more. You know, give me the funding information like how the project gets funded and what are the tokens and so on. But for the moment this is what we have. And I mean you can look it up indeed for yourself if you go on the website you can download. It's an XLS Excel file that you download where you see the data. We're having a project right now where you're gonna where we are like rethinking collaboration and like not API because it's not what we're talking about but how do people access the data have editing rights can help enrich and qualify the database further and also visualize it. So we used to have our WordPress workflow to enable that. We canceled a number of these features for basically as a project owner you can own your page and edit your project directly for a number of reasons but we would like to get back to it. And to reply your second question on the Dow and yeah many people came with the idea of also within positive blockchain using a token and incentivize you know data contribution what whether it's from the project or from outside and doing it as a Dow. So yeah these are all great ideas on the on the table things so far we've lacked a little bit perhaps resources and time to really make it happen. Although we know it could help optimize and create more incentives for the database so eventually it could help increase the impact so if you guys have an idea or if you think you know how to legit create support to actually make it happen. That'd be fantastic. Yeah creating that sort of second layer automation or you're getting it's more technical technical issues where I can understand as the pool. Yeah I mean I might have some ideas but I think based on the data that you're collecting. It sounds like a really good seed or starting point for setting up an identity registry for these companies and you get in you know not even necessarily creating a token for incentive programs but just an identifier. I think companies can use to say OK this identifies us and you can use that to keep track of what we're doing. Now how that's used this is more technical but just creating the you know I don't know if you do it as a DID so to speak but you know it can be the seed for something like that based on you know the initial data. No definitely and now we're building like you know we're designing our data tables basically for the database itself like user types on you know all the project information as well like you would do on on more like my SQL approach. But at least it gives a little bit of structure and then you can plug whatever on top right on the front end on the back end you can add few processes for logging. Yeah identifying a project because then we have reference ideas or you can give access to the project to participate to I don't know like an award or competition. Yeah and then you can create some incentives for people to share more data learnings and knowledge around around the directory. So that'd be great. And again I think many people came with different ideas to positive blockchain. Some people also said yeah you can use it as a label as a kind of certification to then you know it's like Instagram approved. You could get the same with positive blockchain. But these are all future topics and as a community of volunteer we got to make sure we have enough capacity and resources to make what we do happen. Thanks for sharing it's all very interesting. Thanks a lot. We are we're at the top of the hour. I want to you know I want to thank you so much Lucas for coming and sharing. Yeah definitely excited to to kind of get get involved, obviously with with the projects that we're doing and explore what what you have and thank you for your work. I mean this is a this is a really great service and for me you know it's a great way to kind of get visibility and the people who are playing in our space and to help kind of build, you know, essentially what we're building is a multi stakeholder community and a bunch of people tackling the different problems and this is a very critical piece. So I thank you so much. I don't see any other questions. Thank you so much. That's good you guys can reach out to me and I'm also happy to contribute further in in this group. We have a lot of touching points. So I'll be happy to to stick around and join future calls and contribute the way I can. And yeah, I'm happy to talk to some of you and let you guys click on the call to actions to join the different initiatives. So thank you so much. Absolutely. Yeah, looking forward to looking forward to having and looking forward to collaborating. Now I need to repair my laptop. Yeah, yeah, let's do that. Thank you. In the midst of that catastrophe. We appreciate that. Good luck. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. All right. Goodbye everyone. Thank you.