 So I'll call the December 10th airport advisory board meeting to order. It is very nice to see everybody even if it's over zoom and not back in person Michelle, would you mind calling the roll please? absolutely Steve Bliss here Harrison Earl here can't Jacobson here Melinda Jordan here Russell Robison here Mcwhite Orion Wiseman Councilmember Peck No forum fantastic. Thank you. Whoever has the grandfather clock. I love it First item on the agenda is our public invited to be heard which will open up Person who's wishing to speak be unmuted one at a time Please state name and address for the record three minutes for comments and remember to be respectful address the comments to the board and not to any individual Chair we don't actually have any public with us in this Setting all right. He wasn't didn't join. Okay. We'll move on and they'll be the second invited if they do join So first agenda item then is the approval of the minutes from the last meeting Does anybody have any comments on that or? Entertain a motion to approve it not I Make a motion to approve Second I'll second the motion Okay, all those in favor of approving the minutes from the February 13th regular meeting say aye. All right Anybody opposed? Okay, so then we'll move along to a financial update mr. Slater Chairman um So the year-to-date revenue total received at the end of November Is four hundred forty two thousand seven hundred and nineteen dollars and eleven cents Expended is two hundred ninety six thousand three hundred eleven dollars and eighty one cents with eight hundred and twenty dollars encumbered I believe that encumbrances towards a Contract that we just haven't Honolized and closed out yet That leaves us a difference of a hundred and forty five thousand five hundred and eighty seven dollars and thirty cents to the good With that I will say that Covid hit pretty hard on Fuel flowage and of course Refund as well The only other thing of note Is The the city has recently entered in some new contracts with other cell phone towers and I'm not sure if maybe a couple of our checks might have got deposited in the wrong place under the cell phone tower Why it looks low. I am checking into that with accounting and finance and We'll find out what's going on and why that wasn't deposited into that account, but By the end of the year we should be right at that that ninety something thousand dollar number Other than that if you have any other questions I'll be happy to answer those You answered my cell phone tower question right off the same question I am Do any other board members have any other questions on the financial update? David on the contract service what what contract is it you expect to sign between now and the end of the year that'll bring that balance closer to It's a contract that we're already in I believe and I would have to look it up real quick. I don't recall if it's the grass-cutting that we're just closing out or The snow removal that we're just Had some some extra in in cumbers, but I can look that up real quick before we move on to the next item if you want David it may be Kramer Yeah, that's the grass-cutting contract and that's the that one's just done this last week So that should be So for the next month's Report that will should be closed out that a hundred point. Okay. Thank you. Thank you Michelle. Yeah Just about there David I'd like to ask a question Steve police. Yes, sir. Who is the drainage ditch project complete Physically, yes financially. No They just finished that and I was going to cover that in the Under the new business Which was one of the first items if you want to wait till then or I can answer it now. No, I'll wait sure. Thank you David when we left off in February, we were talking a lot about snow removal and Mile I not being interested in continuing. Have you had any trouble? Filling in their contract it looks like the rates might have gone up based on the budget from last year Well the the budget that that we started with this year is the same that hasn't changed We did just recently execute a new contract in the past couple of weeks and We are just we just finished up training with them and they are out actually getting ready And have mobilized equipment and brought it in so We do have someone under contract Mountain West and they've gone through training with me on the airfield and The rates is is an hourly rate, but it appears that Even though it's a little bit higher than the hourly rate that We were previously charged It looks like they're able to finish it in less time, so it looks like it's gonna probably average out a little bit Okay, thanks. Sure Any other questions from any board members on a financial update and David I know we've left off last time in February to talk about CIP update and I am curious about that But I'm gonna hold for the CARES Act section some questions there. So I know how So then unless there's other questions move on to the airport needs recommendations to counsel And I have two items I just wanted to follow up on in February we were speaking about the CPI adjustment in the leases that needed to be addressed that Potentially require lease amendments. Is that something that will require the lease amendments and therefore we need to recommend You know So how we're going to address that we The way the language is written it allows for If that particular CPI Index is no longer available than it's the next one that covers this region And it basically just changed names Not so much the area So On any new lease lease is going forward. We have the new CPI index named And the new leases And there's no need to amend the previous or current leases Just to adjust that because the the law allows for if that one ever goes away just goes to the next The the next regional CPI That is there, which is what we've done easy Then the other question I have before I turn to anybody else is the 30 year leases With the ballot measure now allowing them, you know, do we need to at this point make a recommendation on Release structure or is that something that will come out of? Know an RFP for a next In your development, or how should we be thinking about that when we want to actually that Once it once it was certified Election results and went through all the constitutional requirements, which I think they Wrapped up at the end of November and Michelle you can correct me if I'm wrong, but it it was the latter part of November that they Certified the election results. And so once they went through that process, they're immediately eligible Going forward now the ones that were already in process through the end of this year if they want to go back and Do a lease amendment on that new lease? To go to 30 years then we would take those Before counsel just as a normal lease amendment So I I mean, I don't know that there's really a recommendation that needs to go to counsel on that Because the the ballot measure passed and has been certified and so they are now eligible for 30 years I think it was more the question on Given that that's a kind of business change and you know, basically the question is that right for the airport? Yes, or no and making sure the council is aware of the Opinions of the board as a matter of your policy or precedent really not necessarily mechanics of yes, you can at this point If that would be something that's right If if the board wishes to write a letter in support of that then by all means absolutely I think that that would be in order I think that it is advantageous for the airport because You know, it's more in line with the times of what lease term people are looking for when they're constructing new hangers They much rather have a 30 year lease than a 20 year lease. So I think it's advantageous for the airport to use the 30 year lease Which is one of the things that we went through the city manager's office and Then through him to to the council members As to why that it's helpful for the airport. So the the council is aware of that I Don't want to speak for them. I guess maybe John can can answer that better than I can as far as their take on it, but It's something that failed the last time and council opted to put it back on the ballot for this time So that would seem to indicate that that's something that they're in favor of You want me to speak to that now or wait? Sure. No, go ahead. Please. You're correct. David that We did okay that and thought it was a good a good thing But it's my understanding that each lease is at the discretion of council whether they want it to be up to 30 years or not So it's not like a blanket Proposal that all leases from this point on will be 30 years it depends upon each individual but I you know I think council did support that The 30 year lease for hangers If if I'm understanding what you're talking about correct. Yes, thank you Mr. Bliss, I think you were wanting to chime in there oops did anyone else have comment on that or a Different recommendation to council does anyone think we need to you know Address any support to council at this point or wait for an individual lease before we bring that up I would think we mean like oh, sorry. No, go ahead It sounds to me like they're in favor of it if they brought it back onto the ballot on their own and David agrees is good for the airport. I think most less ease are going to be interested in it So sounds like everybody involved is already interested in it without much input from us It seems like maybe If somebody was applying and struggling to get the full 30 years that wanted it that they might seek support from us at that point To encourage the city to honor to extend them the 30 year lease I don't know if we would know about that somebody would have to reach out to us But that would seem reasonable To be able to get behind an individual case knowing that it's not a blanket clause Yeah, I would typically the leases don't Each lease that goes to the council doesn't go before the board just just a master lease And we can begin reviewing that next year And making the updates or changes that are necessary. We can do that as agenda my autumn Next year as well as schedule or race and charges But they wouldn't go before the board so if there's somebody that thinks that it Might need some assist and I would say that that person might want to reach out to the board So Harrison David started to interrupt. We have somebody that is on an iPhone Not sure if it's a board member. So we were gonna admit them just to see So It'll take just a second here for our iPhone user We just made you a co-host. So if you could please share your camera And I just asked you to unmute if you could identify yourself Hi, this is mech Thank you And they're glad you could join us and I Does anyone else have anything on the airport needs recommendation to counsel item well, let's move on to new business Yeah, we can see you make nice to see you Mr. Oneway safety area project update You're muted David. Thank you. I Thought I clicked on it, but I guess I didn't Earlier I was asked about the runway safety area if it was completed Physically, yes We just did final completion Basically that project there the peck ditch company had a had an irrigation ditch that ran Partially through the runway safety areas on the west end of the runway we received grant funding from the FAA and It was Got the numbers right here There's a grant That will finalize out at five hundred and forty three thousand two hundred and sixteen dollars About a hundred and forty three to a hundred and forty four thousand of that is engineering and design cost and then The rest of it is is the construction cost We Basically tied into the ditch closer to the fence line on the on the West end and paralleled the fence line around outside of the the vehicle service road or perimeter road and Then came up and tied it back into The original ditch on that end just outside of our fence line And then we angled the fence over so that the farmer would still have access to the area outside of the ditch And put a culvert in on the back side as well. So there's two two different access points on the ditch It's actually a much better ditch And then we did the grading in the runway safety area Which extends out 300 feet past the runway and graded and sloped it so that would drain properly within the runway safety area We are just waiting on an invoice from the contractor Which will be the full amount minus I believe it's five percent retainage And then we'll pay the retainage Once everything else is any punch list I'm as finalized but they are for the most part off-site and it is complete Any questions about that project? Yes, David is is that project was that in Preparation to lengthen the runway or was that totally separate? That was actually totally separate. It was a safety area project Because the ditch impeded in the runway safety area. Does it help in the event we eventually get funding to extend the runway? Yes Significantly, thank you. Any other questions from the board on the runway safety area project? David you want to move on to a cares act grant? Sure. So basically what the cares act grant Did is provide $69,000. I'm not exactly sure the formula that the FA uses To determine how much each airport gets but they made the determination that we were able and eligible to get $69,000 and that goes towards helping us out with The operations and maintenance cost of the airport due to the fact that We lost business, especially during the the stay at home and and safer at home orders that were originally put out there and the operations counts kind of During that time frame first part of the year Particularly the you know marks through May June time frame There were significant reductions and you know, there were some days that no aircraft live Of course that that also hurt our fuel flowage and fuel refund The number of operations How much we got off of the the ramp fee which is a minimal amount anyway, but it did take its total amount as well and then you know Some of the maintenance and things that we did at the airport Was eligible for that as well. So we were able to I Guess for a lack of better word capitalize on on using that grant up and I Have the reimbursement request into the FAA and we should be getting paid before the end of the month. I hope So we were able to Get we're able to get refunded the 69,000 that the carers grant allowed us to Yeah, except that's that's my update on that Any questions from the board David my question is on Cares Act as related to Matching dollars That they you know were able to provide more federal funding for a IP projects Than in the past and not require the matching. Can you just talk really quickly about that impact? Sure. Yeah, and I probably should have brought that up with the runway safety area project as well so Typically the FAA funding is 90% and then 5% is picked up by the state aviation It's C dot and then 5% by the airport line With the runway safety area project They did use some of the cares at dollars to pick up that extra 10% both from the state and from us locally So they paid a hundred percent on the safety area project as well. So we did not have to match that grant Which is really good It also helped the state aviation out because They are taking a hit because all airports are having issues with fuel flowage Which means that there's less going into the state fund state aviation trust fund as well So that did help with the safety area project as well. Thank you, that's helpful context I think when at least for me when we get into next year You know January potentially to relook at the CIP and you know see that impact That's certainly that same things as nice as we look at some of those future projects and you know Whether 2021 or future years that we have an extra to play with now Yeah, I might as well ask since we're talking about it David in your mind It looks like we're currently a hundred and forty five thousand into the enterprise fund as of November 30th Are we on track for the CIP for the next couple years in your opinion? Um Yes, and I would like to put the CIP discussion on our next agenda So that we can go over that We had to wrap that up And have it entered by I guess it was about a month ago was the deadline that we put that in so Um They're not looking at CARES Act funding going forward on that that they told us about anyway But I believe we are on track for how we're looking to stay positive meaning Revenue versus expended we should still be in the black and on track through through what we anticipate on that and of course I can also Bring up what what we look like on our our fund balance at the end of the year On our next meeting as well, so I'll make sure the CIP and The airport fund balances is on the next agenda All right sounds good. Thank you David want one piece of that if I can just request what when you look at that Can you also include the? Either anticipate or what you're going to request for a IP funding sure And I can I can run over that briefly if you if you like I'm okay waiting for January and seeing it in the broader context, okay I asked specifically so one thing I'm tracking for work outside of this is just aviation trust fund health right now Okay, and you know If there is no relief on that a potential recommendation to counsel to recommend to our Federal elected officials, you know take action on that because they're there certainly risk in that Funding source going forward right now Sure Thank you. Any other questions on cares act funding Then the last and not least Southside utility project Okay, so We felt like there was a really super tight budget and so we were able to get the city engineer Engineering department to partner with us to handle the design for the utility the water and sewer Utilities that we're going to be doing on the Southside and So I got that information to them End of 2019 very beginning of 2020 at the latest don't matter if it's December or January, but they worked on it and then the engineer that was working on it retired mid-year and The way it was laid out was more for an on-call contractor to perform and There were some hesitations in the engineering department to do it that way After all and so the new engineer that they brought on He didn't have to completely start from scratch, but he had he definitely had to make some adjustments to it and So we're hoping to advertise At the beginning of next year and be ready to begin construction and have it done by spring of next year Hopefully the marks timeframe and We had received a state grant from CDOT for 400,000 And we were matching that with airport fund money and the amount of 323,222 dollars So about 724 thousand dollars 723,000 and change For the total project So it looks like we will have that in place by spring of 2021 So there were some delays that unanticipated delays that a little disappointing for me, but Hopefully by the time we have development ready to get going over there, we'll have that in Hey, where's that going to be located? Is that going to be inside the airport proper or on the other side of the road on the south side? No, it's going to be just inside the airport fence. It'll start down by Rogers Road where there's a manhole About 15 feet outside the fence on the east end And then it'll run west along inside the airport property Mm-hmm and go just around the outside of the the existing hangers on the south side and run just past them And then cross underneath the access road coming in from the cul-de-sac and Then There will be one main pipe that makes a right hand turn and goes along that access road headed north And then it will also continue down To the west even more and then come in almost behind the quonset hut Behind my where my eyes located so that both sides of that new taxi lane will be serviced and Then the water loop will start on the far southwest corner of that Southwest hangar over there. There's a hydrant and a hydrant valve there it will loop out and follow the sewer line Back up behind the quonset hut and then turn and go back towards the hangars Towards the east towards those hangars and tie into a water main over there. So we will have two hydrants installed For new development as well for fire protection Along with that water loop to allow for them to tie into the water as well as the sewer Thank you, sure any other questions Next day the public final public invited to be heard Michelle Heather has anyone joined in yet We have not had anybody join us. All right So we'll move on then to board council and staff comments Does anyone on the board have any comments they'd like to make? Anything can make comment about anything. I mean it preferably relates to To the airport and you know, yes. Yes. Yeah, okay. Well, I I don't know if this is a I got a call from from one of the pilots and that south side road it comes to a Dead end and then the fence has a gate the gate opens When the skydiving Operation is going and so those cars can go in and out But during that construction on On this drainage, there were some trucks They didn't want to open that gate to leave the airport So they broke through that fence that aligns that taxiway and they came across some hangars and they deposited on from their tires dirt Rock and all that stuff and one of the guys told me he couldn't get his airplane out and he was afraid to start his airplane so I'm wondering if we If David could mention to those guys not to do that Go out of the airport at that gate and get out of your truck and open up the gate If you're gonna leave the airport and don't open up a fence that you know, it's like a barbed wire fence and And then drive through the taxiways So just a little clarification on that I got an email from that tenant and That evening I went and talked with the contractor. I talked to actually two contractors to make sure that I had the correct one and got in touch with with the contractor that was working on the ditch for the RSA and They had there was there is a gap between that bar bar fence and the main gate that they did cut through and They they weren't just cutting through because they couldn't get out the gate because they had their own lock on there they had gone over to pick up a hydrant meter and Some barricades right there on the edge and I did address that with them and let them know that's not the thing to do and then they came and sprayed it off and rinsed it down and then swept it and I went in behind them with the FOD boss and Picked up any remaining little gravel pieces and everything on the same day That I received notification that it was an issue. We took up care of it that same day So that's that's the back end of that story. Okay Well, that's all I that's the only comment I had. Thank you. Yes, sir. Thank you anybody else on the board this might be kind of a long-range thing, but I Became an airplane owner this year and I've been flying out of Longmont more than usual Back when I rented and so I've been thinking about Longmont compared to Fort Collins or Northern Colorado right Northern Colorado regional if you insist the operations numbers on air nav are not that different and Fort Collins obviously has a remote tower. We're doing you guys that fly out of Longmont in The next five or ten years. Can you see a remote tower being a thing at Longmont? Is that something we should think about in the future? Just as somebody who flies out of there All the guys that I talked to say they don't want a tower That's the same thing that I've heard Why is that freedom? And it's you know, it's pretty safe And guys guys are really good when we get up there, you know, we talked to each other and take a look and I Don't think a tower is right now is needed Maybe if they linked in the runway and we get a lot more jet jet activity it might be needed But right now I'm not sure that the guys would go for it and girls Yeah, I'd agree with Steve and I think if we had you know more commercial traffic and You know, maybe some bigger airplanes coming in which that is the case up in northern, Colorado at the region over up there that That it might be appropriate, but I think for our operations, I think I think things are are going well and I You know don't know Don't think that a tower would Necessarily enhance things for operations Just probably not necessary for the kind of operations that we have Just one more thought statistically speaking on that The a lot of the people from Rocky Mountain Metro Fort Collins Occasionally Centennial, but not that often and Then sometimes Boulder, but but specifically Rocky Mountain in northern, Colorado They have people that leave that environment to come to a non-towered airport For flight training and touching goes and things like that to get out of the controlled environment. I Suspect if you put them back in that same environment You would lose a percentage of those Flight operations Based on that, I don't think you'd lose all of them, but I would say that there is a Decent percentage of our total operations that are from other airports as well. So in Doing so you might knock that knock that Total operations number down back down below that That criteria that the FA looks at for a tower to report and I think that's one of the other considerations Yeah, I appreciate all those points and I think you're right I make that the commercial service is the main reason for Collins is kind of angling for that to get a legion back in there But I was just surprised that the total numbers were so close I do think Russell would be a really interesting one for us to keep in the back of our head Runway extension conversations come up As the traffic exchanges how we should be about that's certainly a change To the operations and you know something that we absolutely should make sure we're all well aware of implications one way or the other Any other comments? I had a question first of all congratulations rest on the airplane and then The ATC up there is so friendly. I I love flying up there because they're happy and they're Actually, you're almost having a dialogue with them They're seeking information from us. It's just a it's a fun environment to fly into right now Won't say that way forever. I'm sure it'll get more business like the question I had was for the seats that were coming up and expiring this month have the have they been renewed Do we have the same board going into 2021 or is that? Finalized I know the interviews may just be like this weekend Can you tell me to the punch Malinda there we go actually gonna Tell Mick who has opted not to reapply Thank you very much for your service and I'm sure it's bittersweet, but we do appreciate everything you've done and being a part of the airport board and You know wish you the all the best and and going forward When's your turn turn up? Say again, this is my last meeting Yeah, so I've been on the board for three and a half years, it's it's been great. I've really enjoyed it It's been great working with all of you My wife and I Have plans to be traveling more to visit Family more in 2021 and just not sure where I'm going to be at any particular time as far as trying to line up the schedule with board meetings or whatever so but it's it's been really nice really nice working with all of you and Hopefully, you know now that You're having meetings again 2021 can be a better year a more productive year for the board and You guys can really get on a roll and I'm sure that I'm going to be keeping tabs on you too. So So I'll certainly be seeing you around Congratulations And I'll let Michelle Gomez speak to filling those seats that seat So we did board interviews on the 15th list last Saturday No, I'm sorry the fifth list last Saturday and The board appointments will be on the 15th So we will know new board members on the 16th Thank you And then they'll start january 1st. Okay So is there just one opening is that all two there's two openings Oh two Russell's Russell's position was also Up but he's reapplied Oh, okay, I'm not guaranteed that he will be coming back Don't this might be my last meeting too. They might get me out fingers crossed for us Out of chance He's my neighbor Well, Mick, thank you for the last several years I I know you know when I first joined the board you helped show me the ropes Helped me get familiar with that. So I really appreciate it and we'll miss seeing you on these meetings But I I am sure you'll come to join us and Public invited to be heard is always open. So we look forward to still hearing from you Thank you, Harrison And Russell, I hope we're seeing you in january as well Oh, thank you Any other comments from anybody on the board? I'll make one quick note just for everyone's knowledge I actually changed jobs in april and I'm now working for a consulting firm that does airport engineering planning I'm working on the air service development side. That's commercial aviation service So my particular role certainly won't overlap with anything at the long run airport though my firm Potentially could in the future I am one of two employees in colorado. We've done almost no business in colorado related to planning or engineering but If that you know as those topics come up I will certainly recuse myself and you know make that conflict known but just want everyone to be aware of that I'm going forward and I have discussed it with david before as well, but Congratulations. Thank you. Way to go Can I can I ask one question of david if he's still around? He's still here Well, I have a lot of the paperwork that I got when I started I read somewhere there in the paperwork That there's 22,000 people who come to To a long month through the airport. I was just wondering how do you get that 22,000 people? on average How do you study a study was done by c dot? um, and their economic economic impact study And those numbers came from their economic impact study. I think the When we put that out it was from the 2013 study Um, we haven't updated that from the from the study they did in 2018 and released in 2020 So what do they do they stand out there and count them all year around? No, I think they talk with the people that um, fly into here. Um the names of companies that, uh We've provided that we've seen come through here. Um, and they reached out to different people And I'm not sure how they made that analysis But we took our numbers from their numbers Um, I've flown into other airports during the last survey and they had a A little brochure that you picked up and then where you went online to complete Wow, what you did, you know where you came from how long your flight was how much did you buy fuel? Did you use services? How many souls all those questions and I completed probably three or four of those Um in that survey year, which I think was 2018 That's that's very interesting. I've been to over a hundred airports just like Vance brand never seen anything like that. Uh, yeah, it was in um, I want to say probably sterling maybe the sterling airport and um In the fbo, so yeah, I've got to go and set the fbo and they had a The c dot stuff on the counter probably right next to the crew car keys. So That's really the number may be a lot bigger because that that Those numbers come only for people who filled out the survey Right. So people aren't gonna do it. Yeah, correct. You fly in with four people and you know pilot Right's down. He was he came and he parked stay overnight, but he didn't mention the four people he brought in So those numbers may be really way off. I think yeah, and they did ask for that number And then their focus was out of the state That was really what they were interested in was how many people were coming from outside the state Coming in So while my information was interesting, they were more interested in uh out of state visits Okay, I was just interested that's all thank you Councilmember peck, do you have any comments? Actually, I have about three things if the board can Grant me the time to ask Okay, uh, first of all, I want your advice The rocky mountain and I don't know what the 30 the second m stands for but the airport Noise group asked me to be part of their group and attend their meetings. Would that help Would that help this airport to have that knowledge to know what's going on? I don't want to do anything and I don't want to take this to ask my fellow counselors If this advisory group thinks that it would not be a good idea For me to join those meetings I don't I don't have any feelings toward it one way or the other But if you think it would it would help to garner knowledge as to what's going on Basically on the ground level what's being said where they're going then I would join and bring that information back to you But if you think it would just be a waste of time, I certainly don't want to waste my time Are you going to be a spy? Is that what you're going to be? So think about it If you have any thoughts, I would appreciate it I'm all for an ambassador. I think that's a good idea, but I think they're beating a horse that's been settled I mean, it's been back and forth to court so many times I don't think there's anything new going to come out of it and we've heard they do come to the meetings and tell us you know, what their objective is and I think we hear from them that way But they kind of keep bringing up the noise, but it's been measured. We're not out of line. It's There's really nothing else to be you know to be done other than just courtesy of pilots, which we do So I'd say it might end up being Misuse of time, but of course, I'm always interested in hearing what what's going on as well. So I I'd say I'd vote 70 30 that you You skip it 70, but if you've got enough support attend Okay. Yeah, thanks. Thank you for that input. It's really what I wanted So I'll take that as my answer Um, the other thing is that for david I noticed in the financial report and this is just for my knowledge That the ee insurance was at a deficit. Can you tell me what the ee insurance is? uh I think that's the Equal office and the employment insurance. Um, I would have to To be a hundred percent sure I would have to ask somebody in accounting Okay, I would like to know because it was a thousand dollars or less in the deficit I don't know what that means. So yeah, and that's one of those things that they set up as to what it's going to cost But I think what they haven't had a handle on is Whatever time michelle spends on the board I'm paying for her time, but I also Have to pay for a portion Or a percentage of the benefits for the time that she's Putting in. Oh, okay. I think that instead of it just being for me A portion of that the reason it's going over is a very small portion of that is going for What it would cost Having what it cost having michelle spend time On the board in the minutes and the things that she does for us Okay, that's perfect answer. I don't need to know anything else about it I was just curious and the last thing is do you have any new information on the part 16 through faa that is pending or So they gave them themselves an extension again And I suspect they'll do it another time since they're I think past their deadline once again Right of their extension. They'll probably give themselves another extension Sometimes that's a sign that they're about to render a decision, but other times it just means that they're too busy to Even write the extension And that's that's information that I got from from our aviation outside aviation council Okay. Thank you. That's it. Thanks everybody. Sure Thank you Mr. Slater, did you have any other comments? I believe Made mine. So I don't think I have any more all right We've made it through the agenda. Um, so without any further comments It's been really nice to see everybody and hope everyone has a lovely rest of the year nice holiday season and a happy new year Um, see you all in january. I'll adjourn the meeting for December. Thank you Good to see everybody