 Welcome to church of the chair. We celebrate all the things we do while seated. I'm your host E with here with my co-host Chad Let's see we are collaborating on a new Project tentatively called Planet caravan, and we want you guys to be a part of it So come on in sit down relax and watch us outline this Joker yesterday We did brainstorming what we wanted to write about and today we are gonna be outlining throwing things around Chad has a really unique idea that I finally wrapped my head around he brought it up during yesterday's stream But I still wasn't digging the vibe. Like I wasn't like I couldn't Parse what he was getting at and now I do which is literally we outline this thing so that we know where we're going And then I will write like chapter one and he'll write chapter two as I'm writing chapter one or vice versa Right chapter one all right chapter two and then you know we we go on from there And that's how we'll write so you guys will literally be able to watch the book written in real time at the same time Most of the time so I'm not sure I'm sure there will be times when I won't be able to write the shadow be able to write So on and so forth, but uh, yeah, good morning everybody. Good morning Boggle Queen Anything you want to say before we get started Chad I in regard to writing at the same time I did think last night that I think at the at least the very first chapter perhaps Should be written First so that we understand the voice exact our protagonist otherwise There's gonna be a lot of cutting and pasting and you know like that doesn't work these you know We need to probably establish since it's first person Yeah, the voice of our character before once we get to know him a little bit then it'll be like okay cool got this now Yeah, all right I'm completely fine with that I was going to bring up the same thing like we either need to do like a test run and Together and get the voice right first because we're doing first person. I also have a An idea we'll get to this in a minute But an idea for how we will get the POV From the other side of the fence the people who are chasing him And I think it'll work in first person without breaking the walls You might dig it you might not but yes, I completely hundred percent agree We need to focus on that first and get this character to get to know this character Before we both go running off in opposite directions because I started writing stuff yesterday Just just playing with voices and I sent it to Chad She's like that's a little bit too much for me to tell me today. That's a little bit too much Let me in fact, let me let me read it to you guys since I did it off-camera. I'm just gonna read it to you guys do it Perfect. Let's see here. Just so you know everything. We've been doing off off there Oh, what? Did I not I'm gonna have to put I don't even think I haven't saved anymore. Oh, yeah Okay, here we go. I didn't actually write it down I wrote it in in the actual message to you because it was just stuck in my head All right, so here we go the sack of shit across from me doesn't know he's about to get took big old bitch But not tall five seven three hundred if he's announced breath like a shit-packed garbage disposal Pit stains the size of Texas walleye too as if mother nature hated this one motherfucker most of all and that is a that is Brace of abrasive is held open But that's like the first voice that came to me when I started thinking about this and I even mentioned Chad I was like if you don't like it, I'm pretty completely fine with that because I know how Abrasive that sounds and just like yeah, let's let's pull it back a little bit and we discussed What were what certain terms were comfortable using and what we're not comfortable using all that stuff? So yeah, I'm ready to jump into this outlining stuff Chat we're pretty much going to Keep eyes. Oh, I'm at least gonna keep eyes off chat so I can focus So but we'll open it up if anybody has questions. We'll open it up toward the end We'll probably go for another hour today If not a little longer or a little less depends on how much stuff we get done I don't imagine we're gonna be doing any writing today. It's all going to be outlining and getting Getting this stuff. Yeah. Also. I have no problem with you starting So if you want to start I would rather and this might sound a little lazy It probably is but I would rather probably you start since I can be so abrasive since I kid since I just run off on my own it's probably better if you start and then I can Mimic what you're doing instead of instead of you know, trying to come together on a single voice I will just try to mimic what what you're doing But for the most part I can do I can do your style And I'm very happy doing your style. You know, it's not much different from south of here that kind of thing So and other stuff I've written But yeah, so my idea right off the bat My idea for showing the people chasing him would be to have some kind of setup where He is somehow infiltrated not like stealthily, but he's been brought into whoever he's going to rob their association or whatever and he has a connection already inside the organization and And but We wouldn't make it obvious that this person brought him in but he knows this person and he ends up getting in anyways And so while he's on the run, he can get constant updates from I don't know how we're gonna do this because we're talking 70s or whatever but he can get some kind of updates from the dude that's with them, maybe a phone call at a You know phone booth or whatever at a certain time every day or something and he can update them And then about halfway through the story when he thinks he's well and good and often there's you know, nothing's going on Suddenly his friend stops calling and that way we we know that you know, expect them because I can no longer Divert well, of course, you can't divert him now because he's dead And that's when everything goes to pot and that's when they have to get ready for the possibility He has to be honest with the carnival folks or whatever you want to call it Be like yo these people but enough time of course is gonna have to pass so that he's in in the fold with these people And they'll be willing to you know, maybe he's a hero at some point in time Who knows something something small that was it ingratiates them to him or brings brings him into the fold so on and so forth and then of course We already know we can get the character build up from the guy on the phone It's like so-and-so says if you find these gonna do this to you and they got these people after you Don't be here or there. They know you're going here or so on and so forth So yeah That that was my idea. I don't love it. Love it. I think that I think that will work really well I I have my ideas of people who live in this house. We could add one. We could choose one that would be Definitely it would be that and I was I was also wondering this might be a little too Goofy for you, but I am I still like the idea of planets caravan like the Possessive it doesn't have to be that don't get me wrong, but the planets caravan and have like the main Like nine characters or eight at this point I'm sorry Pluto, but and have them name like Mars and Jupiter and Uranus and that kind of thing It might be too goofy for you But carnivals and things work like that, you know, it's always nicknames. It's it. Yeah, it's on brand Nicknames, so that that was an idea. I just want to throw out there. Don't have to use it but I do like the idea of I Love the idea of the title So I think I want to stick with that no matter what we do but making I'm also my literary brain is also like We got to make planet caravan important Like we got it. There's got to be a reason for that other than the black Sabbath, too So that's why yeah, that's why well because we've got these essentially these caravans going from town to town right and This is that this whole this whole This this kid's whole world now, so that's kind of how I think you know like his whole world now is just a planet of Caravans, you know traveling from okay town to town and it's and for Nobody for somebody who doesn't isn't even familiar with the song, which is a deep cut anyway. Yeah Unless you're a big panther a fan, I guess and yeah, it was it was more popular after Pantera did it in that tribute album It was far more popular in that one or their cover just off by its side It was far it got far more popular after that. Yeah. Yeah for sure But it's always been one of my back in the day when I used to get stoned at all time It's the perfect like, you know, just yeah I had a tape that had this thing and and I put that's all that was on it was just it was on loop You know on a cassette tape. I just constantly and so it's always been one of my it's a strange outlier of a song for that band But somebody who doesn't even know the The origins of the title I think it sounds cool because it's like what you know It's like one of those things like what do you mean like Planet caravan? Like I think the words fit well together and they they sound good. So if you're not even familiar with it It's kind of like one of those. Yeah things. It's like It's not off-putting, but it's like what is this? What does it mean Planet caravan? Yeah, it's intriguing It definitely catches the catches the attention catches the yeah peaks interest is what I was trying to say All right, but yeah, I yeah, I love the idea of Solving that you know of building the tension through the phone calls Where since we're writing the first person knowing kind of what's going on on the other end, right? At least the guy hopes he knows what's going on through his source I was thinking about ages last night and If he's if he's any older than the age of 16 Why didn't he just kind of leave a long time ago, you know, got you so I thought I thought If he ended up at this pay at this place at the age of 12, let's say so he's lived most of his life knowing better than Then the examples that have been around him with these people and I figured like a Maybe it could be an uncle, you know, just kind of like the black sheep uncle and his wife Complete mess drug dealers started out as small crime, and it could be the cousin that It could be yeah, it could be the cut I forgot about that I forgot about that you wanted the almost the Harry Potter beginning where he ends up with the family I just remembered that so it could be like the cousin that and then we could have the The implied drama of the cousin helping and then you find out that, you know They're so serious that they killed their own kid because they because he was helping or something along those lines Mm-hmm. I don't know Because they would never suspect that it's the it's their own kid helping the other kid get away Is that work? Yeah, if I if I know what you what you're saying so so the family that he's with the one that he's with is that first They find out and they put a stop to it because their own kid is is Narking on them with these phone calls. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, that'll work instead of some outsider bringing him in. He's already a part of it I forgot all about the family thing that you want to do and I fucking love that idea because we can build that up Yeah, I mean just that alone that makes my my opening. I forgot all about that I should have watched yesterday's before came in here. That's that's great idea I think I figured a fourth of the book probably would take At least would take place in this house establishing all of this stuff that he goes through Well, I'll just lay out my my idea about yeah beginning of the book because I've got pretty much everything laid out up into him taking off I Would I was picturing a yeah, like aunt uncle just white trash They also have his other uncle lives there. It's one of those houses where Nobody can get up off their ass to get a job. So they all just kind of live together and they do their thing So you've got the other uncle there with his Girlfriend and there and she's pregnant so there's four people right there and then the cousin and then Maybe one other person but they're all it with the exception of the younger cousin They're all in this together, right, you know as far as you know doing their crime and now they've got Well one day the uncle the main uncle comes home. He's got a kilo of cocaine. I figured we could use cocaine We're talking late 80s early 90s. I don't know where this is taking place But even though heroin's been around for decades and decades and so has meth It wasn't widely widely available as much as like cocaine was yeah heroin was almost exclusively small black communities When it first started gaining Yes musicians, but it was yeah, yeah, just musicians in 30s and all that yes all that all that stuff the yeah people and then and then rock stars in the UK, you know in the 70s and stuff like that was kind of like a Yeah, it was a different drug. It took a long time to really be widespread like it is now, so I thought maybe cocaine Let me let me throw this out real quick. So you have What if the uncle I mean we're almost in three-smile mild territory here, but what if the uncle stole that to begin with or He stole money to be able to buy that to flip that's right. Yeah, that's what I was getting at. Okay Yep, he comes home with his kilo doesn't say where he got he got it from but it's clear. It's it's stolen. Yeah Excites everybody. This is a game changer. I did some I did some pricing I think the street value of this kilo would be around 300,000 I'll have to look more than just one chart, but that's what I'm that's the number. I'm coming up I also have old druggy friends so I can that are like in their 80s now So I can ask them what the shit cost back then but also I think you're about right with 300k For coat for a kilo of cocaine around that time anywhere between 250 and 400 So it depends on what the grade is but yeah, yeah, I would say 300 is good It also apparently depends on how much is being sold at a time So if somebody is if you're selling it out like, you know, 10 grams or lower You charge more and if they're but if they're if you're charging like, you know More than 10 grams at a time then I guess charge less kind of like a deal or whatever so But the stuff is stolen So you've got people after them, you know Which makes this whole trail of because once it gets stolen from them Then you've got like this Like the old pink panther cartoon when the dinosaurs chasing after the bone and the huge behind him and you know Except for instead of this being passed back and forth. It's just this this constant chase that could be part of the ending All right, let's say at the I know I'm getting ahead of myself, but at the end They instead of like taking care of you know, the the carnies taking care of the the family unit They could like, I don't know somehow Incapacitate them or maybe just one of them and that would be the ending dropping him off at The person he stole from like I I think that would be a cool final ending like The the the original guy, you know waking up walking out of side of his house Maybe dudes in the van down the street just watching and they have they've sat the uncle in the middle of this guy's yard Ductaped and said, you know, and the coke is in his lap and whatever's left of it is like here you go. Here's your thing I I don't know. I think that's a funny image and like I said, I'm probably getting ahead of myself, but To to have to bring it full circle and bring the person that the uncle stole from to begin with back into the fold somehow I think would be really cool thematically Okay. Yeah So You've gotten kind of like this cat and mouse thing, but I'm a little I'm a little have myself. I want to still talk about the house Yeah, so the household consists of the husband and wife, which are the aunt and uncle as well as the husband's brother the other uncle Oh, and I was also thinking of so you've got this other nasty uncle. He's just single He's just a follower by himself. That's three and that's the one pregnant wife No, then he has a son who is 24 years old and has a trashy pregnant wife Oh, okay, so we're talking about a huge unit of people Do we want to do a house or do we want to do a double-wide and really make it like brooch infested cramped and just utterly fucking miserable? I think either way it probably wouldn't matter. We can make the house trashy. Anyway, you know squeaky squeaky Porch door all that, you know, yeah weak floorboards all that kind of stuff just nasty And then yeah, so trash trashy pregnant wife and then younger cousin Like young like maybe Nine or something like that, you know, yeah, that would that would be devastating. Yeah So none of these people really care for the protagonist. He's nothing but a hindrance For their lifestyle and a constant reminder that they've made bad choices And and because he's not he's just not down with that like I said, he's been living there for four years, but When he starts hearing about this guy coming up. Hey, I got the thing. It's gonna change our lives We can get out of this dump. We can, you know, all we're gonna do sell this and in whatever else so the then that this this kid who's 16 goes to 15 or 16 Goes to this carnival that's in town doesn't have any money So he's not gonna be riding rides and playing the games and stuff because he just doesn't have the cash You can even let him sneak in like yeah, he doesn't even have the fare. I Don't know that you have to sneak in you just can't do crap, right? Is that how it works? The one the ones around here? I'm not saying all of them are like this because I've been to the ones where you can just walk in and then You pay for everything else But the ones around here, especially like the ones that you were talking about the smell like pigs and tractors Yeah Those you you have like a five dollar admission fee so no matter what they're making money off of you And some of the bigger ones I have been to two but that was when I was out west and they were like local attractions that didn't move But all the carnivals all the traveling ones that I've been to and I this is just my experience You pay at least something to get in or you bring like a bag of canned goods So he could 100% do that too. I don't know if they did that back in the 70s I'm pretty sure they might have but and then you know that they literally the carnies literally use the canned goods This isn't like a charity to collect local people. They literally eat off that stuff So it's you know either the however much back then it'd probably be like a buck To get into something like that because nowadays it's like five dollars, especially the one that comes here every October August sorry every August But yeah Or we can either way he could like I like if you have to pay I like that idea much better because it it goes better with my next part I Was gonna have this kid go behind a barn or whatever one of the big barns they have to take a piss But it works better if he's sneaking he's sneaking in and he's maybe done this before or whatever He's sneaking in while he's sneaking in he sees this girl taking a piss Behind this barn that I was gonna have him be behind too, but sneaking in sees her Just cop on a squat, you know taking a piss right there behind this thing. She's working there she's a She's same age 16 years old She's been with this carnival since she was like 13 dated one of the guys that was like 35 or something When she was really young cut it off But she's the bearish whale operator the ferris wheel operator is always She's to work one of the games Then upgraded to operating the carousel which has broke down this particular night So she's kind of got the night off and she's just doing whatever They strike up conversation or whatever realizes he's sneaking in, you know She's very kind of Street-wise and assertive but well-read and Smart for her age because she's seen a lot, you know joining this place at 13 having a Boyfriend old enough to be her dad at one point. Oh, yeah Then she just kind of they almost kind of have like this date where She they end up going on rides and stuff because she has this pull She steals she steals some tickets for him just so they can She knows she's not going to be able to get away with playing all these games to win prizes right and she thinks it's highly romantic to to have a boy win her You know a big prize or whatever. So she's kind of forcing this kid into some kind of strange date and this is the She's the catalyst for I like this this is different I'm stealing that I'm stealing that thing and I'm gonna do what she did I'm gonna join this and I'm gonna bring that Those drugs with me, right? That's about as far as I've got Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm down with all that. Uh, yeah I'm trying I don't I'm thinking I don't have any issue with that whatsoever because I'm gonna have fun If I get to write some of that section because I've I've done that several times in different other and in different stories with different themes and things like I'm To some extent I I kind of did it in betting Um during that, you know, when they the kid it's kind of like the opposite But you know him being alone and without somebody he realizes how much of his childhood he lost And then but in this one it would be more like how much of his childhood he could still claim Like he could you know, he'd be traveling have having fun be able to go on rides whenever he wants to You know run concession stands all that whatever whatever he gets to do Um, it would be the exact opposite of that thing. You have this kid who never had a childhood Wanting to you know reclaim some of the fun. So the carnival would really be a a beacon of hope for him And you know, he's he's stuck in this stagnant place and I'm I'm getting way too literary indeed with this But he's stuck in this stagnant place this violent abusive Detestable situation how whatever we want to do with it And then he ends up at this carnival. He you know meets the girl awkward situation Maybe she's not awkward at all, but he's hella awkward and she's like why you never seen anybody pissing me I'm just running things through my head. Yeah. Yeah, and then you know, yeah, like she's not she like when she's busted She don't even stop. She doesn't get exactly. She's like She's sitting there with it holding on to her Pulling you know pulling her her panties and the skirt out so she doesn't pee on them and she's like can I help you? That kind of And she brings that You know being I love girls like that who are assertive doesn't have to be sexually assertive just Like the guy is learning from this girl You know, I I like that whether it's just be strictly platonic. I don't I don't really care I just like those kinds of relationships And I and I I do you know, I did it with three smile because I also like age difference relationships. Yeah um That might be Whether it's just like not freaky like three smile or whether it's freaky like betting of boys Yeah, I just like that strange dynamic Maybe because it's different and everything else feels can feel cliche. Maybe I I I agree with that um, I also prefer assertive Uh assertive female characters, so I'm completely on board with that um the uh Yeah, I really love the idea we can play with that so much uh going from the first quarter of the book You like you said just you know building up the family unit Uh defining those characters developing those characters Then moving on to almost like a complete reset and reboot Where we are now building up the relationship and the character showing the the difference between where he came from and where he is How everybody in the carnival is so accepting and welcoming and you know, everybody helps each other It's it's an actual family unit um, and Coming from a blood family unit. They couldn't have given a shit about him um, and then the the Quote unquote date night as they go around and she's introducing him to people and you know He she like you said they're winning prizes. He's stealing tickets. Whatever it might be that whole that's that's fucking magic That's that's the kind of thing i'm here for um, and also it reminds me very much of and i'm not saying you know It's i'm not comparing it, but that's also how twilight eyes by dean coons goes is slim mckinsey is a young dude He's about 18 years old. Um, he's uh, just kind of a nomad running around He ends up at this carnival and he meets this this assertive woman, but she's a she's a grown-ass woman I think she's in her 30s. Um, and they they end up forming a relationship and one of the most awkward sex scenes in any of Dean coons books, but um That that's the only bad part of that book, uh, and it then you know It's him being brought into the fold and becoming a part of this this family unit I anyways need us to say I fucking love it. I i'm all i'm all over this Um, yeah I try to say so so are we starting? Let's say we start like your your opening chapter would be him at 12 losing his parents and having to go Live with do you want to do something like that or do you want it to open up start? I like the idea of Just starting like dumping him in the middle of this house and then slowly kind of revealing You know no kind of info dump, but you know just slowly revealing his situation but um unless I mean we could do it would It feels like if we did the age started the age of 12 would feel more like a prologue Yeah, that's that's pretty much what I was saying and some people don't even like prologue. So what the fuck? I don't I don't know um They just don't like the word prologue I don't understand that because I because I can't pronounce it. No, I'm just kidding prologue Anyways, I'm just kidding It'd be fine if this said chapter one, but if it says prologue, it's like I I'm not going to read this I don't want this Well, most people the complaint I hear is that it's not actually part of the story Um, like there there's no reason for prologue because you find out what happens in the prologue later on in most books So there's no point in it, but uh prologues are especially important in genre fiction because they set up The action, you know, you're opening with something with with something to you know Sink your teeth into instead of like, you know, more like a Stephen King where you get to know everybody slowly before the passion Stephen starts happening um But I I I suddenly have this image of opening up the book with this kid Sitting on the porch steps of this trailer Chucking rocks into a tin can like I don't I don't know why but I got it especially in a very cinematic sense Like, you know, we're just kind of panning out and there's just this kid chucking rocks into this old coffee can um, and then that's the the leaping point like You know someone popping up and going put all that damn racket because every he maybe he's obsessed with the sound of the rock hitting the can it's like ding Ding and then he can be at the carnival later on And hear that say hear that same sound from like the the fucking hammer machine or whatever it is the ding ding And that brings that, you know that it's subtle shit like that that I like to I like to put into stories But it's just another thing where he maybe he's a little bit sensitive to certain sounds And there's almost like an ASMR people stimming off of that kind of thing And he just likes that sound and that's just one more thing for him to fall in love with at the carnival Is there all maybe maybe that's like a theme. It's all the right sounds It's you know, not the bad sounds like people Screaming and you know angry breathing and things like that to get under his skin But it's all the the bright the everything is bright and happy and all the sounds are cheerful But in his mind since he's so young he would just think something like Those are the right sounds not the bad sounds and I like that a lot If we don't use that fucking man, I'm using it But uh, anyway, I really I really like that idea. But that's the very first thing that came to me Just now as you were talking was that vision of him Yeah, I like it. Yeah chucking stones ding Ding and then you could also be in love with the camaraderie obviously at the carnival, but I think it's important to have A protagonist or an antagonist within the carnival too, and maybe it could be the Ferris wheel god that used to date And if the people show up and they're like Point us toward the kid or whatever. He's like he's freaking right over there because he don't want the kid there because He's now the kid is now running around with his ex. Right. Yeah, whatever. Yeah Yeah, I like that. I like that a lot. Um having having the ferris wheel operator, you know, it would be better than like the cliched like Um fun house, you know the guy who runs the fun house or the barker that's loud and annoying Um, I like subverting expectations and I think the the the ferris wheel guy Would be would be perfect because ferris wheel operators are usually the In real life. They're the the seediest of because they like, you know, the the younger the the younger couples Getting on I've I've seen I've read and seen several videos talking about how that particular job Brings in the trash for whatever reason because it's not really a ride that goes quickly You know, it's something where, you know, you can be hands-on putting the the belts on and all that Of course, there's other rides like that But with this one he can you can watch slowly and you're able to get a good view of whoever's on the ride Um, and this is the kind of shit that I came across going through all my research for this other project Um all the dynamics within the carnival and how there's like there, of course, there's a hierarchy We all know there's the owner there's you know, the the bottom is the roustabouts the the tent men or Whatever the ones that put everything up and then you have the uh concession stands You have the ride operators and then if you have performers, they are usually directly below The owner of the circus or carnival or whatever it might be So that's that tends to be the hierarchy And putting the the ferris wheel guy there in the middle he wouldn't have any real Uh, what's it called not obligation, but any real fealty to the To the the big dogs and he also wouldn't care about people like the roustabouts And if we make our you know our main character a roustabout at the beginning Then he really wouldn't care what happened to the kid especially since he usually takes care of you know erecting the The ferris wheel by himself or just him and his little lackey sidekick that he has you know Like a little yes man that runs around with him. I think that would be funny too And I always I always like quirky side characters. So You know my brain's always working with stuff like that But yeah, so ferris wheel operator is an antagonist within The carnival and then and the whole drama there is that She is spending way too much time with our our the new guy And then at the same time you have the family Trying to find where he went um And that could be as easy as Back then you didn't really know where circus and carnivals were going to end up You know, they they had their own schedules that they followed and the towns knew they were coming But it wasn't like you could do an internet search back then and find out where this place is going to come up next So the the cousin could call and be like they know what town you're going to be in They don't know where you're going to be in that town or or whatever So and every single one of those phone calls would get a little more more stressful until the phone calls stop altogether We are to talk about that. Um Yeah, I'm I'm really really really enjoying this. Um, I can I can see it very clearly And I think that's the most important part especially in collaborating that both people can see the See the Everything that's going on very clearly. So yeah, I'm good Awesome, I don't I I'm I don't I don't have I don't see enough of this to have a full Outline yet, but I feel like there's enough here to Like I said, I can I can see the first You know 100 pages being taken place at the house Yeah, you know and the build up of just so that by the time he leaves um That he would you know if this were one of my folks that I written a couple years ago I would probably Start it him bolt out the door You know and then um, but I'm trying to I'm trying to back up a little bit with some of my stuff and make it And if we're going for the presses that we we talked about we're 100 percent going to have to have some kind of build up They're they're not going to they're not going to be down with just opening Jumping and on top of that that also cuts out a lot of the character development that we would I'm not saying never mind all the reasoning it is better to start this way um, then then it would be to bolt out the door, but I suffice to say that I would 100 percent read the lutzki book version where it's just him running out the door And then filling in people at the carnival what happened um, but yeah for this one definitely uh the first hundred pages of that and then 100 pages of just him Being involved with the carnival getting no people drama in the carnival from like ferris wheel man, whatever All of that and then the last hundred pages, but right at the beginning of the last hundred pages it could be um, the there's no phone call that could be like the last part of part two is uh It's been several days, and I've heard nothing from the cousin Um, this is this is a problem. You know, they must be closing in and then the final bit of it is final 50 to 100 pages would be the The people finding the family finding him and show down whatever whatever what have you Um, and I am all for I am a big fan of big endings I know that you like to leave things either open or you know, everybody Pretty much like like lauren and the fact that most people either die or they're in a bad worst situation at the end of the book Then at the beginning at least with my with my fate. Well, that's not right either because goface boy has a very Positive ending. Yeah, there's only a there's only a couple like maybe wallflower and three smile Yeah, and um Yeah, most of them, uh I mean even but even the happiness is kind of ambiguous Yeah, yes. Yeah It's like this seems like it's happy in the carnival creator Has a devastating ending too, but yeah, but um Yeah, but yeah, I like him a little bit open-ended um What I was getting at with is I like Big endings I like, you know, and I really I don't know if you're on board with this or not. Tell me up front I like the idea of The carnival having shut down for the weekend and it being You know pretty much closed up and that's what the family is waiting for So that they can go in and snatch this kid and then, you know, every but every corner they turn there's another You know almost almost like running through like the entire place is a fun house But not that they've set traps or anything, but they Maybe the sideshow people, you know, hide in the dark and jump out on them that kind of thing You know, it's it's them getting trapped inside this place when they were when they thought they were the They were the ones attacking finding out that they're trapped in this carnival with with all these people that have our main characters back I really like that idea Because that would also bring the family theme back around where, you know, we we take care of our own kind of thing Which That's another theme in my other project But that's that's just a carnival theme to begin with because they do take care of each other And they don't allow outside sources to take care of anything So they 100 wouldn't call the cops and most of them usually either have a long wrap sheet Or they're on the run from something Or whatever it might be. So a hundred percent These people do not call the cops and when the cops do come in They do not talk, you know, um, so I like the idea of that style ending where it is Not really horror but more of a thriller aspect where we have a bigger payoff since we're going to be here longer than a normal lutsky book And then we can You know, we could even as far as like an open ending like I said, we can have them drop the dude off On the the front lawn of the guy. He stole the the drugs from I think that would that would be interesting But mainly what I'm asking you're cool before is that ending with Going, you know, them getting trapped when they thought that they were the ones that were hunting They end up becoming the hunted So now are we talking about the family or is the family killed by the people who actually owned the coke in the first place It could it could be maybe some of the family gets taken by the guys like you need to the whoever Had the coke to begin with maybe some of it. So it's just a small group of people like the father Not the father the two uncles. Maybe the two uncles go to try and you know, reclaimed they finally track him down They're in just as many dire straits as I don't know. I I guess it would be I kind of like the idea of letting the the people that he stole from kind of stay on the outside for the entire I think I do too It sounds a little convoluted if we if we get have the double chase going on what if to even build more hatred toward the the the the white trash family what if we Have them take one of their own and feed it to the To the people he stole it from and say this is your guy and so they end up killing him and He's like, you know, we don't know what he'd do with your coke like like maybe the 24 year old son and his pregnant wife They're the one that's good. And so I like that establishes just how evil this family is and then we don't have to deal with That other Like organized whatever group or whatever the now do you want them to kill the the cousin? Or do you want them to just like find out and then like Punish him. Well, I don't know how we would find that out. That would be the issue with the first person narrative How would we find out what happens to the cousin? Why the phone calls stop? well Yeah, well ahead of that he could say in the phone calls he could say hey um You know, you know film in on what's going on but also say like uh um They fed Bobby and his wife, you know, whatever Uh to their so now they're not chasing but I don't know exactly how to how to how to you know, the phone calls to stop I don't know that This kid could be calling since they're traveling The 16 year old kid could be Calling them the the house and the trailer or whatever. Yeah, either or a Designate But now he's he's not answering anymore and they have some kind of code that they work with right You know, like maybe maybe the kid gets his His carnival girlfriend and says pretend you're an eight-year-old boy Pretend you're the kid that lives down the street that my cousin always plays with We can Yes, but we can also set up that That this this family unit all the adults are so fucking lazy that they make the kid answer the phone Is like, uh, whatever his name larry larry get the fucking phone. You know that kind of thing And you know, so larry's always the one who answers the phone anyway. Um the maybe Before he leaves he tells The kid the the the cousin um before he Skips out or maybe he leaves him a note or whatever and he's like, um, I gotta go. I can't do this anymore Um, so he leaves a note with him Maybe the kid hides the note and that's how they eventually find it is, you know Maybe they're tearing apart the house looking for something or whatever and they come across this note And find out that, you know, they've been they've been talking to each other this whole time. Um, I think that would be Yeah, yeah, let's let's let's do it that way and then the phone calls can stop and then Uh, main character can find out what happened to cousin when the Other folks come in is like why why hasn't uh larry called me, you know that kind of thing before The final bit of the book is like why hasn't it's like we got rid of him. What do you mean? We got rid of anything like that. I don't know. Um, but he's he's been Or he's been punished just some kind of some kind of vague, you know Really dark line like that real flippant We punished him. It's like it's like what the fuck does that mean? I really like the idea of having a The carnival owner like the main guy has his own like trailer And it's decked out. He's like he's like quagmire or or uh, or larry from threes company a huge like, um Just womanizer, but he has a strong moral code like he has never been down with Like if anything he he likes older women You know, he's never been down with the ferris wheel guy and their relationship Right and maybe the only reason why the guy's still working is because he owed his data favor or something like that But he had the strong moral code. He looks after um But but his his his whole thing is decked out with freaking like one of those vans with the He would the velvet inside and all the you know the tassels in the doorway and yeah, like the love machine, you know I love that. Yeah, okay. My my if he could hit his his bed would be heart shaped and would be spinning Uh all the time Oh, that is so good, dude. He's got the lotions and the toys and it's his it's his thing But he does have this he draws a line, you know, he does have like this strange moral code where you know like Yeah, I I like the idea that yeah, and it just makes him kind of like oddball and he's he's always He thinks he's I don't know davidley rothan. He's Every time they go to a town. He just thinks he's gonna pick out you and me tonight, you know in my I maybe he has uh A celebrity he almost impersonates like he doesn't really impersonate them but like a uh Who is it from led zeppelin lead singer? I was jimmy robert plant robert plant like, you know Some kind of that persona where he you know, he's like Shirtless or or whatever it might be he's got like only a vest on and then really tight bell bottoms Uh that kind of thing. Yeah, i'm i'm i'm feeling this I really like I love the idea of the spinning a heart shaped bed. That is that's that's fucking amazing That's the kind of shit that sticks out in stories like this. I love I love that I like the idea of him being not necessarily attractive. It's his competence that kind of oozes his cycle appeal so he You know if he were to look more like john waters or or uh gomez from the adams family or sunday where it's just like Dude, you're kind of greasy, but You're kind of hot too and I don't know why Yeah, yes, uh Yeah, almost like an austin powers thing like he's got the mojo Yeah But he is not handsome whatsoever and that's kind of what I was getting at with the uh the hole he wanted to be Uh plant, you know, but the face doesn't quite fit like you have the long curly luscious hair And he wears like the same get-up, but at the same time. He's just this greasy Ugly dude john waters the that image that you put in my head Is of john waters face on fucking a robert plant and now I can't now I can't unseat it Anyways, it's a little a little tiny. Yep. Um, yeah the pencil the pencil mustache. Oh, yeah, that's that's perfect I like that and a very sharp nose Not hooked but just a very sharp sharp nose Uh, I even now I have now I have this You know, if he's like balding on the top, but maybe the the hair over here. He won't let go Of get a skull hair. Yeah, skull it exactly. Yeah I love that idea man And it'd just be a complete mystery to everyone how he keeps bringing women home or whatever But yet like you said, you know, he's charismatic and he's fun to be around and you know He's he's boisterous and he just draws people in he's almost almost like a cult leader and that's how these uh These dynamics work in carnivals. Anyways, the the main person is like a king like a roma king Also, the the only word I won't use in this Kind of context is the g word for you know, the roma the traveling nomads. I don't like that word. Um I have a friend gypsy. Is that it? Yeah. Yeah, it's it's a slur. Um, you can you can look it up I didn't find out about it until about six years ago. Um, I had a friend and I brought it up and they're roma Um, they're they're the whole family lineage lineage is roma. Um, so it's but back but back in this time It would be they would say that word, of course, but yeah, um, so I don't yeah, I had no idea Yeah, I don't I don't use it personally. Um, and I don't I don't write it I don't put it in books and when I talk about it. I do use roma instead of that word So um, that would be the only thing that I kind of stand stand away from Um, but I don't mind if you use it I don't I don't care if it's in a book that my name's on it. Don't get me wrong. Um, because I also understand that You know, that's how people spoke. So that word does come up completely fine. Um Anyways, but uh, that that's kind of how that that whole culture, you know They have they have a king everyone that they they look up to and that person pretty much rules Like I was talking about earlier with the hierarchy. Um, there's the different levels of respect in the carnival And it's usually right underneath the king is any performer like but that's more that's more circus ish Than it is carnival because we're talking big top kind of thing where the ringmaster or whatever Is the king of the thing in this one it would be more, uh, the the Attractions would be higher than you know, the concession stands and then you have the roustabouts And then you just have the general cleanup crew, which is usually if it's a really small Operation the roustabouts and the cleanup crew are the same people So the same people who are building everything are the same people cleaning up and tearing down um, and then uh Also, we need to talk about, you know, how big are we talking and we're talking about three or four rides? um, you know how what kind of uh Are we gonna have I guess the attractions would be the thing is that we're talking like the normal stuff like the Uh, of course, you got to have something that spins the whirligig or whatever Um, you got to have a fun house. You got to have a ferris wheel. You got to have the the gain boost the concession stands What am I missing? We could even have a petting zoo a lot of these have them The animals are never treated well. So that's one thing that we would have to keep in mind Um, if we're going to be realistic, they're not treated well But we could also subvert expectations by having them treated better than even some of the people that work there That would be interesting. Um, let's see here. Uh Yeah Probably something medium like not like maybe this just john waters, dude. Maybe he maybe he um He built us from the ground up, you know, like this is it's part of why people respect him And the fact that he has a you know, he has a heart for Runaways and just people who are down and out and down on their luck and he believes in second chances Rather than like a cult personality where it's like, you know, follow me, you know, it's easy to follow him because he's worth following and and Just because he's a good good guy who wants to get laid all the time I love I love that character sheet man Just this is a really good dude. Who's all about helping people But he's also about getting some some punani is like that's he's got to end every night But you know, but then we I mean what what kind of mood is he in on the rare night when he can't You know, that's another like another topic. I'd like to watch out. Yeah, exactly So it's like there's something that he does when he can't find anybody to To go to go back to his his trailer with That's something that he does maybe not drinking but something like he'll walk around, you know, swinging his cane or like aggressive I don't I don't know. You mean other than masturbate all night Because we wouldn't we wouldn't be able to show that right or we could we could be like, oh, you know Oh, he's gonna he's gonna give himself a beating later on like I could be like someone seeing him stomping through late at night alone He's like, oh, I guess he's going I guess he's going to be Yeah, the trailer rocks regardless of whether he's doing it by himself or not Oh, that's good. I love that. Yeah, that's uh, hey lee. Hey a j rod. Yeah barkers We definitely got to have at least one barker and they're usually out front of the uh side show or the uh um, the fun house Uh, man, I got to get to writing. Well, that's that now is the best time I mean, you can you can be here and listen to us, but if you got writing to do mango, right? Um, we'll probably get started. Well, I'm sure I mean we want to jump into this as soon as possible I don't know if you want to do tomorrow morning. Um, I am 100 free all week The only thing I have to do after we get done here is shoot videos Other than that, I'm completely free. We got a lot done. I'm pretty we can jump right into this As soon as you want to I think it'd be interesting if we go live tomorrow or whenever you're free next We go live You start writing and I will just literally just sit here and read what you come up with and kind of bounce back and forth I don't know if you get distracted when people I'm a very very slow writer. So a lot of my writing is just me looking You know looking around And uh, because I you know, I don't know if it's it's because I I type faster than I can think or I don't know what it is my I I do get easily distracted and Dialogue is one thing I can rip right through because it's my favorite thing to write same here. Um, and that's where I don't that's really where I don't know where these things are headed and I just love or like when a character is first introduced that I didn't know they were going to be a part of this. Yeah, then then I can take off but um Yeah, it can take me a while to To write something like I said I Can sit there and stare for a full minute and then write a sentence or four It's it's funny because I write the exact opposite way. I see through my words So what I end up doing is I will just word bomb it on the page and like a seven line Opening will end up being getting trimmed down to like two or three if even that um Because I I always go back and find ways that I can say everything that I said in the least amount of words Especially like something like south of here Now with shit like everything is horrible now. It's shit like that, man. You just Most of that didn't get rewritten. That was just you know, that was more of a Long long long form Kind of thing, you know that this uh the short and punchy doesn't work for something like that I haven't found a short and punchy doesn't work very well in horror period It works better in crime and uh literary fiction and you know stuff like chuck pollinic and you know Uh damn near every popular crime writer, uh or horror writer When once you start I you hear this complain a lot with uh horror novels like that It's too wordy or with steven king you hear it constantly He overwrites because it's more about the the themes and the characters and the situation than it is about the horror So he's building all this stuff up. So yeah, you know, you you understand what I'm getting at but anyways, um was I can't for some reason I can't vomit the words out like I wish that I could and I don't know why And you know, I do the like the the land sale thing where it's like My first draft is really clean Um, it's not as clean as it's going to be But it's pretty darn clean. And so at the end of whatever writing session I'm pretty happy with the word order the placement. Um, maybe that's what slows me down because I yeah, I tend to Make sure that I'm really happy with the I mean, it's not perfect things will be a real will be a rearranged Yeah But um, I wish I didn't do it like that because there's something about just finishing the book That is so encouraging. Um going through further drafts is so much easier for me. That's that's how I feel Um, too, and that's why I like that's why I don't mind word vomiting even though it's like double work for me I I like doing it because that's how I see, you know, that's I all the options where you will stop and be like Stay, you know staring off for a minute seeing what's happening all the different possibilities that you could do next I literally just write down all the possibilities Um, and I do that so I don't lose my momentum Um, because as soon as I start editing my own stuff The story is done. Like I I completely lose any interest in the story whatsoever So I have to get the story out first. Um, and if that drives you nuts, I'm sorry but uh, um, I will at least I will I'll try to do a little more of that shoot because also south of here was written Um, long hand So I really had to choose my words because I couldn't just like highlight a bunch of stuff and then delete it So I can work either way. I just work just right just right how you feel comfortable writing Oh, I I am um, but I'm just just letting you know that if you see like a whole paragraph of stuff That like makes no sense in the sequence I'm literally writing out everything that I see and I will go back and pick one or we can even talk about which one you like best um, because me and darin did that me and tc did that um, so yeah, uh definitely Just just keep in mind that I I have I am not concrete on anything that comes out of this brain Um, everything can go other places. It can be cannibalized and used for something else It does not have to be here. Uh any of my ideas or any of my writing. I am not I do not have ego when it comes to that stuff. Um, I'm perfectly all right with you rewriting my stuff I don't care. Um, as long as the end product Is to both of our liking That's it. And I know you're on the same page. So just just expect it In case you look over at my page it goes. What the fuck is he on about the dude was just coming out of the door And now he's walking back in the door. What the fuck is he doing? That's the kind of shit that I do also if I don't have a name for someone right off the bat My key word is panda fucker. So if you see panda fucker pop up It's just because it's easy to search in in search and find when I finally You know figure out a name I want to call someone Then I'll just go back search panda fucker, you know control f and I will fill in the blanks for all the panda fuckers So I do that with I do that with parentheses parentheses, but I'm a little bit more, uh That's a vague in what like, you know, and the lake looked like parentheses something cool here Yeah, parentheses, you know, so I it's like my mind isn't in that space right now or or names, you know, like or if I can't remember You know, she was born in what the frickier was she born parentheses question mark, you know What year parentheses and then I'll just search for all the question marks or all the or parentheses And then I fill in the blanks later. Can I ask you a question? I don't know if you've ever done this. I've seen this a lot James Newman did it in I believe Animosity and I've seen a lot of authors do it. Do you have any idea why sometimes they won't give the date? They'll give like 19 and then an m-dash or 18 m-dash or 20 m-dash like they don't give an actual date You have any idea why people do have you have you even ever seen that because I can't get any answers I've talked to multiple editors multiple authors and like I have no idea why and I don't know James Newman well enough to be like Yo dog, why you do this? um Right off the bat. It just makes me think that they're trying to uh um Lengthen the uh the relevancy of the story Maybe like like when you watch a movie and it says present day and it's like well This movie was made forward 40 years 40 years ago. So I got you. Okay. I don't have to pinpoint it That's that makes more sense than anything I could think of I was thinking maybe that they were trying to impose a feeling of Not really confusion, but a feeling that you know the place and time isn't important But if that's the case Then why even mention, you know the the the year the The prefix, you know why I mentioned it's 1900s kind of deal I did I find it I just find it odd and for some of the reason that popped up when you were talking about parentheses uh Things like that and for the longest time the reason why I brought that up for the longest time I thought that it was because That was just a leftover that they didn't decide on a date So they just left it over but then I started reading it in other books and I was like no people do this shit all the time I read I'm sorry. Go ahead It's I'm also wondering if that's how it initially happened and then other people just started Picking it up like it. I don't know why I'm doing this. It's yeah exactly so Anyways, all right. We're an hour in I think we got everything we need to get started Uh, when do you want to do this? Is there anything else you want to talk about before we go? Hmm. I don't think so. I'm ready to dive into this son of a bitch. I I ain't gonna lie Uh, I'll probably spend like the first 15 30 minutes Just like watching you and reading what you what you put down and formulating, you know The watching you formulate the voice right out the bat because the first person that's insanely easy because they're talking as soon as you know You get in there um, so I'll watch do that and we will And then I'll try and see if naturally, you know, I'm I know if I can already vibe with it I might go ahead and start writing chapter two if you have any idea Where chapter one is going to end that kind of thing. Um, so Yeah, I mean, I'm fucking excited. Like I said yesterday, you know, I was just the just the idea the the starting point the on the run the the Obvious road trip aspect because they're going to be moving from town to town Also, I kind of like the idea of this going from like either florida to california Or somewhere southern to western. Um, and only doing the lower united states Uh, and because I have a lot of travel time and history going back and forth to california So I know where all the cool small towns are all that shit So if we stay in that realm, um, and I've gotten to know people in these smaller areas like, you know, lost cruces There's fort. I believe it's fort hood. Um in texas. There's a bunch of different places that I've spent a considerable amount of time um several days camping or whatever Uh, all the way across. So if you want to do something like that, I know you're more northern. No, you're california. Where are you now? I always get this confused. You were Southwest michigan, but I the only books that I write that actually take place here are the Jack's books got you. Um, but you lived in california for a time, right? No, why the fuck do I always do this with you? I know we've had I know you have you do. I've never I have no idea why it's like every time I even think about you It's like this dude's from california. I was like, no, he's not I don't know why but anyways So yeah, I have hella experience across the bottom. Um, I lived lived in california for a total of 15 years Um, I've also lived in alabama, georgia virginia main Um, but pretty much it's only been the east coast and down here So but I can get this part right. I never really got into the cultures up north. So More more about down here Is what I like to do So if you're down with that, I think it's cool to have the the circuit run from like long beach to to fucking Maybe not pencecola. I kind of want to make this more small townish Because the bigger bigger cities have their own their own shit, you know, and it would make sense. Let's say, um They only have so much for their, uh for their Yeah, like what they have is isn't really meant for big cities. Anyway, like it's like They've got medium sized kind of in some of its kind of jank. Anyway Yeah, if they if they got more than like 500 people in a night, they'd run out of fucking food that kind of shit Yeah, I that that's I love that idea and that also gives us more time with like, uh, the cities that are a bust because what people don't realize is They don't always make money. Um, when they'll stop in a place sometimes just putting the show up But it is a complete bust because they don't even make them the money back that it took to get there Um, which is why a lot of them pre-sell tickets nowadays, but they couldn't do that back then. So, uh, Definitely we we could have some downtime. Um, where they end up in in a location where nothing is going on Um, and it was just it's like I said, it's a bust There's also something to consider That you to something to think about every single carnival circus any of those things have their own punishment scales like, uh If you do something wrong that breaks the code whatever code is set up by the the hierarchy Um, there is some kind of punishment that comes along with that Some of them do five minutes alone where the person that you wrong literally gets five minutes alone with you There's uh any if you watch carnival, um, it's what the the box the the the chest. Do you remember that? Then anyways, they stuff you in a chest and then they ride around with you in the chest And if you survive you survive you don't eat them. I don't remember that. Yeah, um So There there's always some kind of so we could even throw something like that in there for a little more, uh, I don't know a little more realistic tone there. Um, because they would they're not all going to get along Things are going to happen. Um, so I we could even fit something in like what basically what I'm saying is there is so much To plum here. There is so much to dig into with just that culture Um that that the middle of the book is going to be a cake walk at least for me Um, because I've done I've done this so much. It's like I said, it's my favorite genre And I've researched that's all I've been researching for the past three years So I'm super excited to get into that section of the book I'm also going to have fun at the beginning because I love the family dynamic of you know, everybody Against this poor kid except for his cousin And I love that the cousin his his informant is going to be like nine years old. That's just absolutely brilliant I love I've never seen that before ever so and that's I also love that that was a mixture of our ideas Where you know, I came up with the informant and you came up with the fact that you know He's going to be like nine years old. That's it's fucking beautiful man. This is the magic I'm talking about So, yeah, I'm excited. I just thought of an idea for the the reason why they keep the carnival Intagonist there the first wheel guy. Yeah, the reason why he's still still there and tolerated is because He actually owns the first wheel. He brought. Yes That's perfect because the operator's owner that that is another whole dynamic in there is owner operators Versus just people hired to run rides that the that the owner owns That is perfect. So it could literally be like the only and that would boost him up the hierarchy To be right underneath and that's what I was trying to get at earlier. I didn't express myself, right? But in the in a carnival setting the the Ride operators that own their their rides are going to be higher than the ones who just run them. So, yeah Yes, perfect I like that. Um, and if they lose that that's a major moneymaker. That's a yeah, you got to have it You got to have a fierce wheel. Exactly. You have to. Um, yeah, I'm excited. So I'm good anything else you want to go go over I don't think so. I uh, so I I won't write anything until tomorrow when we're doing this live Do you want? Well, I mean it all depends on you if you want to go live on your own channel And I'll just sit there and watch you right or I I know everybody's expecting to watch the entire process So how do you how do you want to do this? We'll just we'll we can just do it tomorrow then. Um, I will try to at least have an idea of where I'm started. So you guys aren't just staring at me twirling my hair while I uh, right, you know I got you. Um, if it I I also don't want to limit us So if you need to go ahead and write something Go ahead and do if you already got it locked into your head. I'm saying I'm fine with Go ahead and do it because there are bound to be times when I want to get something done that I can't stream like I'll be in bed And something will come to me and I'll have to write something out. So I don't So there's bound to be that so if you want to go ahead and start man Go ahead and start and that way that we have a jumping off point tomorrow You might have the first whole chapter first chapter done and then I can be working on two while you're working on three And we end up writing a fucking, you know, 300 page book in like two weeks This is what's going to end up happening because you only really have to write 25 000 words I only have to write 25 000 words and dude. I can write 25 000 words in like a fucking weekend. So it's Yeah, uh, do do what you need to do today or tonight and we will come back tomorrow And then people are going to be able to read it anyways So I'm pretty sure that they are actually going to appreciate more Seeing, you know, what you already have done instead of sitting there waiting for you to you know, like you said Come up with it on the spot. So do we how are we going to do that share screen or how is that going to work? Yeah, um, what we do is there's options down here Where is it? I can't remember It's under present. I think Yeah, you go over and yeah, it's share screen. It's literally that button You click on share screen and then you click your word document. It'll show up in the list Um, and then you can share it And it'll only it'll only show Good lord. Why does it look like that? Anyways, okay. Um, it'll only show the screen that you click on to It'll only show that window So if you click out of that window, you're not gonna you're not going to show your desktop or whatever Sensitive things you might have not just kidding You're not going to show off the rest of your computer. It's specific to that Window, um, make sure before we go that you can share your screen from your end without us having to pay for it I should be able to uh share screen and then I can either Um, hell yeah, tim. Good job, man Tim sold a first horror story and have another one coming out on the nightlight podcast. You guys are a huge inspiration Awesome I'm glad we're helping man Yeah, yeah, I see it and then all I gotta do is add it Yeah, and then we have the never-ending stream So yeah, we can do that And then, um, let's see if we can both share at the same time. Let me open up a Of word. Yeah, let me open a thing here. Um, I'll open up nicknack And then share screen Window Why is it not showing up? Chrome tab window It's not even showing up for me Well, that's not good. Hang on Screen sharing was canceled. Make sure you click share. Yeah, I get that share screen window Yeah, mine's not showing up as an option. I can share like my my uh my chrome tab but All right, let me restart word or maybe make it Oh, is it because I had it minimized? I don't know. Yeah, it's because I had it minimized. Um Oh, no go back up Open And then click there click back over here. Okay, so this would be mine Um, can you can you now share yours? Yes add the stream? Oh lord How do we it's over mine Actually, it seems like it would allow it to split it It doesn't look like So no matter we can only share our screens Our screens at one at a time because every time I click yours add to screen mine goes away and then when I do Yeah, you can't have both of them on the screen at the same time Hang on full screen layout. Let me try it. No, I don't want to do that Uh stop screen. Oh, nope Oh well So we won't be able to show both of us Well, we can just hop back and forth like let people read what we what we came up with Um have one of us up there at one time and then just keep swapping them out We can do that. Okay, that'll work Yeah, okay. Yeah That works. We'll figure it out. Um, also I think what I can do on my end It would take a lot of research, but I have obs which is a streaming Video recording software. I don't know, you know, okay Um, what I think I can do is I can do something to where I use obs on my side to share my screen where I'm just a little It'll be my screen and then I'll be down here in one of these corners And then you'll be able to share your screen I might be able to do something like that But at the same time when we share a screen the screen takes up the majority of this So mine would be tiny, but I don't know. Hmm. I don't know about schedule tim. Um, right now We've been doing every day, but I I don't know if that'll keep up or not Um, and there are bound to be times like I said where we're we're writing and not streaming So but you guys will get a will be able to read everything as the days go on I'm sure we'll go over Like whatever Chad writes tonight or Any point in time I will of course have to read it before we move on and I'll try to do that on stream. So All right. Well, I got to get out of this chair Thanks again, Chad And again, this is a fantastic fucking idea. This is this is amazing. I love it. Thank you guys for joining us Um, I'm gonna go ahead and go I got some videos shooting all that stuff. Uh, how would I be able to read everything? It's gonna be it's literally gonna be on the stream. Yeah, it's gonna be on the stream So you're gonna watch us, right? You just can't watch us both right at the same time Um, but we'll we might figure something out. Who knows this is just an experiment Um, and I'm glad to have you guys along. But uh, yeah, thanks again, Chad Until next time All hail the chair. Bye. Bye