 And so what do you think we can do? Obviously, you know, you have tub, the organization, but besides that is like, what are steps men can take today? Well, I mean, I think that the main thing is in being party to conversations, like the one that we're having and being, you know, finding places and spaces to engage with and connect with men who are dedicated to this conversation and dedicated to helping men to be empowered in a healthy manner in fashion. And you know, the tricky thing about that is that there are a lot of people who are becoming aware of this as being an important facet of what's going on right now in the world, but not all of them will have fully benevolent intentions. And it's a little worrisome to me because I can see there's a great potential for the exploitation of the vulnerable and the disenfranchised in men right now, the whole in-cell movement, the whole potential for backlash against women I see as something really problematic and worrisome to me because if men start to feel disempowered and disenfranchised and if men identify and recognize that once upon a time they were the kings of the castle and now the sands underneath them are shifting and they are losing that position of power and authority, it's likely that there will be men who will be upset about that, aggrieved about that and unfortunately will point the finger and villainize women potentially or men possibly. Well, they're playing the victim card but my question is who's stealing this platform underneath them? It's open fucking game. Exactly. Go out there and fucking hustle. Absolutely, that's the key point, right? I mean, set it in classic Amir fashion right Amir. Go work 100 hours. Take care of your shit. Eat well, train, lift heavy shit, man. Get on top of your business, right? Fucking build up skills. Take care of your business. Take care of your business, man. Take care of your business, dude. Right, I agree with you completely and you and I as classic sort of alpha guys who live like that, do like that, see like that, be like that, not a problem. You don't have that issue, I don't have that issue. We're good, so we're not talking about us but what we have to realize is that we are a subset in a small category, a small subsection of the entire populace, right? A lot of people and who don't have either the insight, now we're back to the red, you know, red or blue, right? Well, you just broke down for them was the red pill, blue pill, pick it, right? Okay, listen, if you don't go and work out, what do you think is gonna happen? Like really, you know what I mean? Like if you don't exercise your body and use it, it's not going to be robust and capable and functional and optimal. It's not the end, not a complicated story, right? I need to understand this perspective because if you look at evolution, biology and psychology, women go after the top 20% element. Like, that's a fucking fact, like there's no denying it. And nobody should disparage them for doing so. And like if I put myself in a woman's mindset, I'm like, women are attracted to people who are go-gethers, they're attracted to empathy, they're attracted to love, they're obviously aesthetics is number one, they're attracted to aesthetics, all these, and so why- You might not be number one for women, but it's on the list, it's definitely on the list. When you talk to women, they might not put that at the top of their list. But let's put it in the cluster, let's put it in the cluster, it's part of. But let me finish. If I'm this angry person, whether it's in a whatever group, I don't even care what you label yourself. I'm just angry men. And usually when I look at angry men, I'm like, they're just boys in men's bodies. They had a lot of trauma in the past, they had to figure things out. From a female perspective, what? I'm trying to figure out their cognitive dissonance, that is, it's like- Between who's got their demands? Yeah, it's like, okay, you're not go-getting, you're not financially there, you're not working- You're not doing the things that would position you- The biology calls for. They would position you ideally- Psychology, the whole evolution and trade. You should be doing that would position you ideally to create or to experience the life that you're interested in creating. It's like someone bitching about not fucking, not being rich, but not working for it. I'm like, fucking shut up. I agree. I mean, hey, I always tell people, you wanna be rich, go for it. Like, I mean- Especially here. Sky's the limit. Here, in particular, in the developed world. The developing world, which I spend a lot of time in, it's different, because the opportunities are very different in some places. Well, opportunities, click, click, clack, corruption. Yeah, or you know, I mean, I have kids that I'm supporting and things that I'm doing in the developing world. You've got them, right? I've got them, yeah. Where there just are not the opportunities. Like, if you're in a little fishing village in the middle of nowhere, there's just is not, there's nothing to do there. Like, you can't get, you have to get some way out. That's why I tell people, this is the golden land, United States and Canada man. No question. So I say, for people who tell me that they wanna be rich here, I said, no, you don't. Like, if you're not rich and you wanna be rich here, then there's a problem. Because you don't really, if you really want it, there are so many resources and there's just so much available now to tell you how to do it. Pick one. You don't even have to read all the books. Pick one book and follow it verbatim. I don't care which one it is. There's fucking government grants. You got to go Robin, you wanna go Ferris. Pick one. There's so many government grants that give you like $20, $50,000 here. Just even start. Follow the guy who's pitching about doing real estate on TV. I don't even care. If you follow anybody's program to the T, chances are more likely than not that you'll succeed, you'll figure out a way forward. So we come back to the problem and this is where, you know, the compassionate side of me and the understanding side of me meets with the sort of marshal side of me and the hardcore kick you in the ass and get you moving kind of side of me, right? The balance between the two. We have a lot of people who want but don't quite understand how and or didn't have the role modeling to understand how. You really think they don't know how to go to the gym or how to work? Or they lack the confidence and the insertion point to get started. I mean, you know, we're talking about the big questions here about why basically what we're asking here is why are there so many people who were living unhappy and dissatisfied and dysfunctional lives I'm here. That's what we're really talking about. That goes to Buddhism. That goes to expectations. If you have zero expectations, you're good. You can satisfy, you're good. But I mean, basically, that's the question we're asking here. And if we talk it about specifically men, why are there so many men? Because they're just part of the whole population of humanity. We're back to the same sort of question. Why are there so many dissatisfied people on this planet, period, right? We're back to that big question. And I would say, based on my own assessment and evaluation of this, is that the multitude of factors that come together to create that large cluster, socialization, family history, dramas and dramas that affected and influence and compromise your sense of capacity and confidence even to step in and step up. Mental illness comes in there for a certain section or segment, right? There's so many of these things, a lack of role modeling, a lack of support, a lack of guidance, a lack of understanding, a lack of opportunity to step in comfortably, right? Take, for example, Tub. So let's use that as an example. I hold these events, I invite men to come out. It's interesting for me to see who comes out who doesn't come out. Some men would be enticed by the concept of coming and connecting with an eclectic group of men from a wide swath of the population. By the way, we're fantastic food too. And we have to thank you. We usually have a great day at the go with it, thank you. But I realized as I've been doing this for a long time that many other men are intimidated by this prospect, right? And so they won't even like, they're attracted by the idea in some ways but they're also quite intimidated and people get into these sort of patterns of inertia where it's very hard for them to get out. You sometimes literally have to take people, I know, it's hard to sort of, when you're not that person, it's hard to understand it and you and I are not those kind of people. I mean, I've been very proactive and I've been on a road less traveled since I was very young and I've developed an uncommon level of confidence in my capacity to move through life. Well, a lot of people don't have that and we have to be sensitive to that. Let me clarify. What irritates me are people who complain who play victimhood because they're very body able to complain and scream at people. They're not dumb, I'm not saying they're not dumb. They're intelligent. I'm irritated by individuals like that. Who has time for that? I mean, I'm with you. And I agree, there's people out there that who are very quiet, who have demons and they're suffering and need help and they're afraid to ask. I'm more focused on the people who are like, oh, fuck everything. I'm like, you have the energy to scream at people. You have the energy to complain at people. You're on your keyboard all day. I'm like, dude. I'm like you in that regard. We're sympathetic on that viewpoint. Like I'm very much about people being proactive and taking control and charge of their life to the degree that they can. I mean, there's so many factors you can't but the ones you can step in and step up. And make it happen. I'm with you. And don't be rate. Don't blame, you know, this is, you're absolutely right. I mean, these people, these are the ones who are dangerous. Dangerous, man. These are the dangerous ones. The people who look outside of themselves and are pointing fingers at other sources. It's the immigrants. It's the women. It's the this, it's the that. It's always something outside of them. They're raining on their parade and shitting in their pool. Okay. Well, maybe you need to turn that lens around a little bit. Yeah. If you're looking inward a little bit, start recognizing and understanding that your modus operandi is not serving you to the best. How is that working for you? So those are the people that are really important to reach in terms of some messaging about them being willing to really take stock of who they are, how they are and what they've been up to and introspect around their own responsibility for what they've been creating in their lives. I'm with you about this completely. There has to be that interest in reevaluating, reassessing and exploring the nature of self such that one can understand one's complicity in one's own misery and suffering. Because if you don't, and you're constantly looking outside for the sources, you will not resolve the problem. It will not happen. There's a lot of pain. There's a lot of pain. There's crazy feminists these days who... It's crazy everybody. It's crazy everything. And it goes to internal pains. I always say like everyone should do like six grams of mushrooms and go on a fucking eagle disillusion. Great, or an ayahuasca journey or whatever it needs to do that you know, or go and sit in deep meditative practice and recognize and see yourself for the small little speck of micro dust that you are in these universal cosmos, right? I love the Buddhist paradigm. So whatever way that gives you some insight into understanding both your own humility, which I think is very important, but also empowers you with an understanding of what it is that you can do to adapt and adjust. But you know, there's so much to this, which is, you know, this is the field that I am professionally involved in, right? I mean, I'm not trying to do a spiel here, but you know, what I try and do is help people to understand these things, see these things and take the steps necessary to ameliorate their own problematic patterns of behavior and habitual behaviors, right? Because habitual behaviors are entrenched in everybody. I mean, and they're very hard to transcend for many people. And some people are not even capable of recognizing their own shortcomings and seeing how those play out and affect their behavior. So giving them an opportunity and some guidance and or some reflection or some counsel around how to do that is a critical piece of this process. But certainly, you know, the tools are available now insofar as there are people like myself, you're out there trying to offer people guidance in different ways or on different subjects or whatnot. There are people who are available who can help individuals to become more empowered, more capable. You know, I'm interested in empowerment, not over outside factors, first and foremost, but you have to be in control of yourself, right? I mean, mastery for me is about self mastery first. It's not about power over, it's about power over self. So I'm interested in seeing people demonstrate that. And it comes back to the point you made earlier, namely that so many people don't have self love. They have low self esteem. They have a low sense of who they are. They have a low sense of capacity. They have a low sense of confidence. Those things have to be addressed. Those things have to be improved when you can help people to feel good about who they are. So that's the first step. Then we can move further to figuring out, you know, what it is, do they really, what do they need and want? And the needs and wants are two different things too, right? At a conversation with a guy the other day, I'll give a shout out, I'll give a shout out to him because I like him a lot, he's an interesting guy. And he's a MMA fighter and also MMA producer based out in Vancouver. And Sabah Fidai, shoutin' you out in case you ever hear this. He's promoting a group called RISE, RISE Fighting Championship out there. I know RISE. Yeah. Sabah's the guy who- Oh, very cool. Yeah, so we were hanging out just recently and whatnot and he made a comment, of course, for our conversation about having always wanted a Ferrari. And I sort of teased him a bit because he's now, you know, he's 34 years old now. And I said, you know, you've always wanted a Ferrari but let me just make mention of the fact that you know what you'll realize as you move forward. And of course, I'm a little bit older now, 21 years on him. I say is that your childhood and childish aspirations don't necessarily hold the same weight as you move through life, right? At a 10 year old or 12 year old, maybe you've always dreamed of having a Ferrari or an Lamborghini, but maybe you've come to 35 or 45 and you realize now that you're a parent and other things are going in your life that it's not really that meaningful to you and your contentment will not be attached so much to that experience. Cause he was telling me an experience about a guy who he knows who has a Ferrari and now says, you know, it's just a car and it doesn't drive very much, right? And I say, yeah, you know, the attachment to material things is one of the things that's probably easiest to shift through time but it requires a constant refinement and assessment and evaluation of who you are and what matters to you, you know, what matters to you, what really matters to you, not what you've been convinced or told matters to you, not what the marketing savants out there who are perpetually and indefinitely bombarding you with messages about what should matter to you or telling you and that you are constantly being corrupted in mind to believe because you've heard the commercial of 10,000 times telling you that this car or that brand is what's gonna make you happy but what you really, what really works for you, you know, what works for you in terms of the quality of the relationships that you're nurturing and the quality of relationship that you have with yourself, right? Those are the two facets that I consider to be so critical, you know, who are you in relation to yourself and who are you in relation to others?