 Welcome to Toffy TV, I am delighted to say I am joined in the studio by the IBO featherweight world champion, Jazza Dickens. Is right lads. I need a clap in the studio. Jazza, welcome. You were on a couple of weeks ago when your Twitter bio that still says future world champion and we just told you that that needs changing. We said third time lucky and you were like oh yeah, but you are a world champion what does it feel like? Yeah great, it's been a lifelong ambition for me. I started when I was 13, now I'm 31 so it's been a lot of years. But I'm still not there yesterday and I'll have to change it to future unified world champion and I still haven't got what I wanted out of the sport but it's a nice place to be. As you said to me then before the lads, it's made a bit of a realisation for me here in the yesterday's books forever and you can't change that. That's right mate, no one can ever take the fact that you're world champion away. Going back to obviously you come in the week with Peter then you're the week of the fighting, looking forward to fighting at the Olympian and all of that stuff and I was asking you, would you be nervous on the day to get nervous? Were you nervous or were you? It's a little bit of a strange thing when I first asked. I was a little bit of a drilling junkie so the more nervous that I get, the better feeling that I get out of it which is strange so I had to also learn how to stay calm you know what I mean. So I want to get nervous, I want to get that rush but I also have to be calm and collected you know so, bit of a balance you know, time and a place. And was it fighting at the Olympia? It was supposed to be in the echo, it got changed last, pretty much four weeks to go so my dad's at the Olympia, thought he'd make a big crowd smaller venue one of them and when we packed the Olympia out it's amazing in there because it's a great night in it when it's fallen there but it was amazing. People from Liverpool got to be there, from my own community got to be there you know and see me win a well title it was nice just the fact that it was our own because not everyone gets a chance to say that. Did you do it in their own backyard you know five minutes away from their own house? I left Rocky when he goes to the Philadelphia stadium you know. Outstanding. I'll say the fight was tough, was it a tough fight for you? Did it feel like you were always in control or what's that moment? I did feel in control, he was ranked number six in the world, he was ranked higher than me but because he was from South Africa people just assumed he was the same as everybody in South Africa that's coming over for the payday or you know what I mean to blow him over but he went he was a good fighter, we knew that going into it so we didn't take the eye off the ball and it was a good win, it turns out that it was a good win, he was a good fighter it turns out he had a lot of good attributes that it was tricky to figure him out but we got the win. What's that moment like when you're standing there, did you feel, you know when the bell goes and obviously did you know you'd won or is there a, is there always, the world always to be that fear won't there because I mean you watch boxing sometimes you're like ah yeah he's deaf I won that and then you see the scores and you're like yeah what have they done that was that moment when you're standing there waiting for them to announce it what's that, is that when the nerves kick in? Well it's supposed to be coach, yeah well you get more nerves in that situation yeah you do because you think well yeah and now you're powerless you just don't know you know what I mean so anything can happen and just don't think you see it time and time again in boxing anything can happen so it's supposed to be coach he told me the rounds going on where it was at so we came to like round eight round nine we didn't have to press on him because in my head round nine we got the world title in the bag here and what you do you go forward and risk getting caught with a shot and maybe you know not that I think about getting knocked up but risking it you know what I mean I'm walking on the card so what do I have to do here so we just play this safe really maybe a little bit more defensive because I trust in my coaching where we was at at the end of the fight I celebrated before the judges cards and then went hang on have we got this you know what I mean so you don't know you might look stupid celebrating then you don't want to know Haven't you almost got to do that out of kind to say like I know I've won and you're putting that image out to everybody well I'll never forget one time we fought and the fight had finished and we both went for the decision and told him bell you guys in the ring and said to Terry, Terry get him on your shoulders to show the judges that maybe you could deal with what's going on that last round or swayed either way and you show your confidence maybe you can let the judges in the crowd know I don't know it's all about perception sometimes you're putting that image out there and you can't even have one the cards are on you and then what's it like when it was announced what was that for you? because when I made my first fight it was in the Olympia looking at the crowd it was amazing it was something that after the when we got called the decision we had to face the TV obviously to get your hand raised but we had the back to the crowd as soon as they called my name I had to turn around to the cards it was a little crowd to everyone to get the bell from me and I was just here at my home with them was it like how you envisaged it? do you know what I mean? you know like when you're off because obviously you just said you began boxing at 13 you know he's turned the left he's numbers rang at 31 now it's been a long journey so in that moment I assume you're always thinking about world champion becoming world champion and when you talk to people about that it's never quite the same how you're imagining it was it for you? I visualised it before many times similar to the visualisation very similar but it was at the time what's happening right now you're not thinking about what's going on at the time you're just living in the moment it's only little flurries after it and you look back and you say oh yeah this week's getting better and better now I'm on top of the TV again he's buzzing now it's nice and calm now the little flurries in between when time passes but then you think every time I get these thoughts I think oh no don't be that too switching off now's the time to start working hard so I don't want to allow myself to celebrate really so I've got to keep on pushing maybe one day I can look back you do after that moment surely you've had that moment in the last couple of weeks where you've just gone I'm world champion I'm scared too Tony Bell you said to me jazz you've got to allow yourself to celebrate your victories I just know what it's all from experience most know what it's all about because you've been there yourself and done it on a high level but I just can't it's just nothing wrong to you know what I mean you're always reaching for the next thing the next thing the next thing I don't associate my success with victory victory with the celebration I don't associate that because it leaves me with fear I'm a switching off you know what I mean it's me next opponent after training hard for me you used to look at the rocking videos I've seen club Alang training while Rocky's having the time of his life you know so I feel like you're equating a lot of this to Rocky films which is fine it's fine he was scary club Alang by the way he wasn't just put him on an airplane he was terrified of flying I think you've just I mean I think Tony Bell you was right in that you've got to do after appreciate what you've done I understand what you're saying I'll give it the flow whether or not like party time but you do after enjoy your success it's been a long day for you remember when we spoke to you back in I think 2015 wasn't it originally you know how far you've come in that time and how hard you've worked to get where you're at so a Gerri a Gerri you don't want to just go with that I don't am well champion I understand that because you've still got other things you want to achieve tremendous achievements and you should be you should be incredibly proud of maybe I'll be forcing lucky enough one day to finish on my terms and be able to celebrate because a lot of boxers go out on the tash they're getting used now they're getting used for opponents maybe one day I can finish on my terms finish world champion and I can celebrate fair enough my dad that's fair enough what's the day any been like since then first of all that night when you got home what was the adrenaline I didn't sleep but I always make it make it my my efforts to get back sometimes you go to hospital after fights but I always make it my effort to get back to my family to put the belt on my family when I started out 10 years ago I won my fair title, the English title just me and my Gerri went like that many people had answered we got a few pictures we have something to read that was our thing then we won another title I couldn't win all the titles and all of a sudden now I'm going to the night club and see you all tomorrow I'm going to get a pleasant bit of me to see you tomorrow so I'm back to the home back to the family thank them for all their sacrifices throughout the camp and all the hard work that they do as well so yeah it's nice just to come back home and say we done it cos ultimately dad is your team most important people around you family did you have a good scrant cos when you and Peter were in last time you were fantasising about food that you were going to have the few days after the fight on your instagram funny a picture of you were weighing and you were like this is two days you still look that's the part most of us should be delighted with but did you enjoy your food yeah it was full up it's been nice it's called it's been nice like a small house we went to one of the tests just one in the Ross on Seat we've been up in North Wales this week so there's one in Ross on Seat up there so we went to that one but not the same when the kids are growing up and they're sitting between here is it you going on and taking your kids it's your team and you were back in the gym quite quickly the night of the fight the night of the fight four o'clock in the morning four o'clock in the morning go for a run in the gym so the fella it's only me in the gym 24 hour gym and he says oh you got the black eyes you made your box and I said yeah just had a fight and he said oh did you yeah what was it so he could tell he's thinking he's lying him he's selling porkies why would you be in the gym at four o'clock in the morning and he said oh did you yeah you could tell he's thinking he's learning to lie and selling lies probably being bastard off his bed and then he had to go up to the car to get the belt to then bring it into the show and he was oh so you're out and then he could tell he's lying and he could think he's thinking why is there a world show four o'clock in the morning I'm here in the gym at four and he's just got that thing constantly and he's the next what's the next one I think I'll always be like that do you drive your missus mad she accepts it you know what I mean I'm lucky you've got a good girl she supports me she looks after the kids you know what I mean she never say to you you've got a little bit of that she's got no right to say that to me because when I met her this was boxing was my all boxing needed 13 to 20 or 21 so that would be my whole life and if we can be in a leadership boxing is my main priority and it's always going to be that way if you can accept it you can accept it but I'll be surprised if you can push yours and I'm lucky to have the best girl I could imagine she's always been there for me supporting me but they are the same for me boxing is first it's something that I need to do I'll be honest she's signed it such a new year now you won't just switch off for a second just like you switch on all the time you find a tiring yourself do you know yourself the fact that you can't just have a today I'm just going to chill out cos you're always thinking you laugh because I reckon it is the demons creep in so deep if you don't train for wealth and money anyway but I find that like it's a lot easier if you love it I finally get a little bit older in business terms working with properties and engaging with stuff like that other work that I've got to do sometimes I'll be a bit petty and I'll say ah fuck this! but I've never thrown the tools out when it comes to boxing I've never have all the time I've been in boxing I've never said this is nothing for me or I don't want to do this today so it's just must be something I love to passion you've got the passion for it and obviously you understand the hard work without the hard work you're not going to get anywhere from the hard work whether it's a run-on whether it's gym work, pad work whatever so what's kind of like next then what are you doing right now how do you plan moving forward cos I know if you've got a next fight lined up is it a case of waiting do you now get a pick who you fight so to speak possibly there's different I've got options that's what I do I know minimum it's going to be a defence for the 12 rounds we'll title fight that minimum it's nice to say that it's a bit of a assurance that it's going to be a fight lined up or ready without even knowing who we're going to fight I'd rather fight somebody who's already current world champion and you need to fight Josh Wellington and Lee Wood both in England that they wouldn't be out of fight to me but it seems to me that they're going to be fighting each other you know where the end's guiding them towards each other for the big showdown cos he promotes them both so I would imagine that it's not worth the risk for them to lose one of his champions to me and I'm not in contact with him I've got a different promotional company which is Probellum so a lot of politics that goes on behind the scenes that people don't see in boxing is that frustrating for you frustrating for everyone in boxing I can even imagine for the promoters who are competing against each other it's frustrating like down the white he's got the organisation, you have seen one organisation he's got the monopoly and he's got the control I can imagine corruption comes into it when you've got that much control I can imagine for these promoters it must be mad to think I can't even work, I can't make this fight because I can't work with him personal relationships get involved I don't think you know what I mean to see some promoters do refuse to work with each other which is crazy because boxing doesn't benefit because of their personal relationships so really for you so you think right now it might be a little you're not going to get either of those two fighters cos you think they'll go for me if you have a successful defence if you have a successful defence of yours and then obviously one of them is victorious in the fight is there any way then you could fight the winner of that or is it again, is it just the answer they also don't get told you're going to fight each other you have to fight each other they can still choose to fight with me they can still choose that they can still go for that the promotion of the company that I work with problem there, they work with other companies that was their thing when he set out that was their goal when he set out that problem which is good for boxers to win that is good, that's what boxers need that was the thing why I signed with problem I'm in that position now where hopefully I can unify there's two other world champions American Mexicans so hopefully I can unify but then it's software you're at anyway isn't it so do you just now train is it like 50% train in Canada where you're just keeping yourself ticking over so if you did get a big shot at something else as well with yours you can go to your camp then and you're ready well now for me it's the perfect time to do weight because fighters you see the pictures of me then you're making a weight you look so slim and gone don't you when you make the weight you get so lean but along with the fat lost that you'll have as well people don't realise you lose muscle so it's the perfect time now so I've just been doing a bit of weight but when I'm in the bag as well I feel as slow as luggage because of the weight so it's just the process it's the time and the place to do everything so now it's gain a bit of strength and muscle back on realistically now it's a pain you to something you don't actually know yet but what you're doing like the time scalars for you to fight again roughly like for you what are you thinking I was just explaining before when I went out the end of October if you fight before Christmas you'll be happy with that you've got a good rest on the camp or if you have to fight in January there's no Christmas so what would you prefer what would you prefer to do me personally I'd rather fight before Christmas like mid December and then you can recover and have Christmas and get the Christmas money and for the kids exactly what you need but either way whatever it may be you'll just do it anyway February would be the best thing to have a bit of a Christmas straight into your camp February but then you think that's a long time out the ring I haven't got a clue by the way I couldn't fight a puncture out of a paper bag so you want that activity but you're also money Christmas why is it some fighters like you know the weight like I'm thinking maybe heavyweights they take so long between their fights some can have like two fights what I think it is the property of the endorsements aren't they so if you're getting endorsed so much it becomes to a level you're getting paid so much you're in contract with these people you don't want to be if you lose in that timeframe you're losing all your endorsements so I think it's just that's what I believe I think the property of the people who are paying them so then they drag it out if that makes sense they get more money for less fights they don't become boxers I see in the end some of them don't I respect Titan Fury because it doesn't give a fuck but you see some of these fighters they're manufactured and you can see that they're manufactured that way to become this persona you know what I mean and they're endorsed by all these people they have to act proper and perfect all the time so I think that they just they become the cash cow so I do believe that is the way it is I know this isn't your weight so if Joshua wants to fight Fury who will do all the money then? Fury, I think a lot of people get to see the one or the other and who do you think and Joshua or Titan Fury that's it, who's team you're on Fury or Joshua I don't know I think they're both great heavyweight champions and made the best man win but I think what they've built on for boxing in British boxing I think they've dragged it all up by out of boots I don't mean a few years ago boxing was in America when we've all got a master platform and I do genuinely believe that's because we've had heavyweight champions in the world in our country From something else your boxing has been fantastic you come to our premiere night with your shoes on, look sharp which is brilliant by the way, congratulations to you for what you're doing After that I've seen a couple of things on Instagram with doing some community jazzering the community which is a huge thing so tell us a little bit about that how did you get involved in it and what goes on in it It's a bit of a long story so it's going to be a little bit deep but I'll be fast as it can as a child I grew up with two pens who were addicted to heroin growing up I always knew that I had something special inside me I had a lot of love of my pens I knew I could go the right way in life I had two great pens as well by the way just in the struggles I knew that one day I could help people, kids like me as a child I could help children like me in the future I always said to myself when I'm world champion I'm going to give back to the kids in my community who are in the same position as me who might have pens all that type of stuff it's no one's fault it's just life and if some people are coming through well we all need a bit of help I was having a conversation a few years ago I came from Maverick Stars and she does a lot of community projects like this and I was telling my ideas as well she was telling me what she does and she said to me why don't you do it now and I said well I am on a world title I just feel like I'm not valid enough to get it off the ground right now that I'm not world champion who will want to come I feel like if you've got a bit of a presence with the media or a bit of a summery in life you've got more pull with the kids you can be more influential so I just didn't feel like I was valid enough because I didn't have a world title and she said you understand that you don't have to have a world title to help people and I thought you're spot on so we started getting off the ground and she said to me dad dad me knew in a unique situation where I'm a professional boxer and you're over 10 years in your sobriety and we've been through the situation as a child and father we've always had a good relationship but now when a parent gets clean you have to find a new way because you don't know this person they don't even know themselves so you've got to find a new way out to create a new relationship and we did one day a week we used to spend an hour together we used to go and play snooker that was our thing so we had to integrate the kids have resentment to the parents the parents don't know how to deal with the kids the kids are grown up and like we go our own way it was none of me it wasn't fun while it lasted but it's one of them so we knew that through our parents experience there's a way of getting your relationship back together after having such a traumatic time and experience through addiction so we opened this project me and my dad I'm having stars and we're having a week parents who are now clean or sober come down with their kids and they spend that some people don't live with the kids some people are just trying to get their community back in their family back together just slowly one day a week so what we do we don't get no one clean we don't give no one a relationship back but what we do we facilitate the time together for these people to come and have fun together I know from parents experience I didn't want to tell my mates my situation but these kids can have in a safe space where they can be with other kids and make friends and have activities to get out with kids who aren't going to use them they can't use them because they're in the same boat and all the parents in the same boat are just amazing it's absolutely amazing I could go on and on and on that means nothing anywhere else I'll ever win means nothing to this it's just beautiful for the families involved and it's grown and grown last week with the first week of the new bloch we started on Sunday and we had 30 people there and you were doing the last world champion as world champion yeah a few people are coming back well there's some families that have been on every course the last three courses so they've won it with us we do a vision boards on some weeks and we put on our vision board what we want to get and what we're aiming for and my vision board I explain to them I want to be world champion and they've been on that journey with me and I'm on their journey with them someone who has courses in college courses things family holidays what do you want to do and I'm watching them do it all it's amazing every time you come back they look better and better because they're going to the recovery so if anything it's amazing anyway I worked in social services for 12 years with addiction, with families with splitting up drugs, drink, everything and it is so difficult for both sides and some of it is getting children of people who are addicted bringing kids into the world difficult challenges they face so I have something like that way certainly where they can do something together what do they do when they go over it you're taking the training we do a boxing session we're just there for fun we make a form we do a lot of boxing, we do a lot of activities some weeks we do as I said the vision board some weeks we'll have a guest then we've had Leigh Butler, Molly McCann these are people who actually speak on addiction experience Molly McCann as a child she's openly spoke about it she's our family members you were addicted similar part to me she's telling them she's telling them their story and these kids look you can be like me look at what I'm doing now just never give in and this is possible no matter what circumstances are so we have guests who come in Tony Bell who came in for us we don't want to miss anyone out here he works in services like addiction so you get respect for the parents as well and we teach the parents now of boundaries because I knew as a little kid I was at the ship because I could guilt my parents into doing anything but now when they get clean they hit these boundaries and the parents do writing now they can set the boundaries and some of the kids don't like that so we work on these things we don't go too deep we do a lot it's that for them kids they tell you don't what they do because the boundaries make them feel safe it's just that when they have an atom they don't know how to handle it and eventually they fall back into it we all really like we say we don't like boundaries but we all actually do like boundaries we live by rules which is what society is on the last week as well we go out, we go for the meal and we go bowling and we get a certificate it's not going bad it's too high on you it's definitely needs to get that sort of that I mean listen it's not from a sporting perspective that obviously isn't as good as winning a well title but from a human perspective it's fantastic and to give that back is incredible what you do because those people don't have stuff like that and then to go now and be in the presence of a well champion and having a laugh and having a goal to follow I think it's tremendous what you do in the community listen what else to say there it's a lovely way to finish a thing what a tremendous story so keep that going and we'll promote it and all that thank you very much for coming in again it's tremendous and welcome anytime mate and be back with the next one get back before the next one that's what it is I look forward to your next fight we'll have another look at yours thank you very much for coming we'll see you later thanks for watching