 Good evening, everybody. We will start our December 16, 2020 planning and zoning meeting. First item on our agenda is roll call. Chairman Surnick? Here. Mr. Height? He's present. Mr. Teta? Here. Mr. Polin? Here. Mr. Goldberg? Here. Mr. Flagg? Mr. Flagg? Mr. Honoran? Here. Councilmember Rodriguez? Here. Chairman, you have a quorum. All right. Thank you very much. Next on our agenda, I need to let anybody who wishes to speak know that during anybody wishing to speak during the public invited to be heard items, which are items four and seven, or during any public hearing items, which is agenda item six, you'll need to watch the live stream of the meeting. For instructions about how to call in to provide public comment at the appropriate times, instructions will be given during the meeting and displayed on the screen like you see right now. When it is time to call in to provide comments. Comments are limited to five minutes per person. In each speaker will be asked to state their name and address for the record prior to proceeding with their comments. Please remember to mute the live stream when you're called upon to speak. And I'm going to add that public invited to be heard items are those comments you want to make that are not about an agenda item on the meter. Please keep your comments about agenda items to the public hearing part of that agenda item. Third on our agenda tonight is communications. We have assistant city manager, Joni Marsh and our new planning director, Glenn van. New Morgan. Johnny, would you like to introduce Glenn to the group? And then maybe a few comments from Glenn. Sure. Good evening, commissioners chairman. It's nice to be here with all of you. I think it was a year ago when I informed you that I wasn't going to be here anymore with you. And much like most things in 2020, that didn't exactly turn out the way I had planned. The planning department has had four frozen positions since the pandemic began. I'm fortunate enough to say that as of this last week, we do have a new planning director, Glenn, and I am happy to welcome him and start the new year with a planning director at the helm. And I'll turn it over to Glenn. Well, thank you, Joni. Believe me, I'm thrilled to be here. It's nice to meet all the people who are here. Yeah, believe me, I'm thrilled to be here. It's nice to meet all the commissioners. I wish we could be in person. And I guess that's my hope for the new year is maybe at some point we can all be in the same physical space. But I do come into the position with quite a bit of experience. I like to say I'm 30 years old with 30 years experience. I've worked for a couple of years. I've worked for a couple of years. I've worked for a portion of that in the Phoenix area. I've worked for about four different municipalities. In the Phoenix metro area. And then the recession hit. And that was our chance to escape and move to Colorado. So in Colorado, I've worked for the city's a little tin. I took a bit of a. I was in the city of Salida. I was in the city of Salida, and I was in the city of Littleton village. If any of you have skied and tell your ride. You might be familiar with mountain village. And then most recently, my adopted hometown of the city of Salida. But I was introduced to long month. Back when I was in. Little tin. And believe me, it's stuck in my head is. That's a place where I'd like to be. So believe me, I am thrilled to be here. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. A little bit better. Great. Thank you, Glenn. Thank you, Jenny. Welcome to long month. Glenn. Glad to have you before. Next on our agenda item. Is item number four public invited to be heard for any, anything that is not on tonight's agenda. We'll display the call in information. So you can see that. Eric is getting that. There we go. Thank you. Thanks so much for your time. Great. So for you from home, please dial one eight, eight, eight, seven, eight, eight. 0099. It's toll free in the United States. When prompted enter the meeting ID, eight, three, one. Five, three. Eight zero. Nine, eight, zero, one. And when asked for your participant ID, press the pound sign. When we are ready to hear public comment, we'll call you. three digits of your phone number. Each speaker must state their name and address for the record and will be allowed five minutes to speak. Please remember to mute the live stream when you're called upon to speak. To get everybody who wants to speak into the meeting we need five minutes to do this so we will now take a five minute break. All right Chairman it doesn't look like we have any numbers for public invited to be heard. Okay thank you Erica. So we can okay thank you for taking down the screen. Next on our agenda is approval of the minutes from the October 21, 2020 meeting. Anybody have any discussion? Any motion to approve the minutes? Commissioner Hyatt? I'd move to approve the for these the October 21st 2020 minutes. Okay so we have a motion to approve do we have a second on that motion? Commissioner Onaran second. Okay all those in favor of approval say aye and raise your hand. Aye. Okay those opposed those who need to abstain because they weren't at the meeting? Okay so Jane two abstentions no no opposition and the rest is approved. So it's Teta, Flague, Onaran, Hyatt and Pauline have approved. Great thank you. Okay thank you very much. Next is a public hearing item and it's item six on our agenda the Modern West Concept Plan Amendment PZR 2020-8 with Principal Planner Brian Schumacher leading the presentation. Thank you. Erica and Jane can you please start the staff presentation slides? Yes give me just a sec here. Thank you. It wasn't showing up on my little thing here. All right thanks thanks Erica appreciate it. Good evening Commissioner. It's good to see you all again. I'm Brian Schumacher with Planner Development Services and tonight is the public hearing for the Modern West Concept Plan Amendment. So this slide next slide please sorry sorry Erica. This slide notes staff that are available for questions this evening. Myself Caroline is available to respond to traffic related questions and David is available to respond to your airport related questions the Commission might have. After the presentations and public hearing comments the applicant representatives and staff are available to respond to questions. Next slide please. So this slide just provides a quick overview of the parcel location in Southwest Longmont, North and Nelson Road, South of Rogers Road, East of Airport Road, West of Anderson Street and it's adjacent immediately adjacent to the Anderson RV storage facility. Next slide please. This slide just shows the property's proximity to the Van Sprint Airport and the alignment of the runway. Next slide please. Just a few notes on this slide regarding zoning and the applicant will provide more details regarding some of the surrounding zones as part of their presentation. So on this slide I don't know if it's easy to see but Modern West is shown with the red star. Airport is the parcel in blue to the northwest on the west side of Airport Road. The airport influence overlay is an area that's encompassed by the oval on the zoning map if you can see that on the display. And then Modern West property is zone mixed use employment and then as noted on here for the properties that are annexed this Modern West property is surrounded by other parcels and properties with mixed use employment zoning and then there's also a couple of other parcels on the south end that are not yet annexed but they have mixed use employment land use designation on the Invisional Land Use Plan. Next slide please. So this just provides a brief summary of prior planning and actions by the city and the property has been part of the Lamont Area Comprehensive Plan and has been planned for urban development since some of the original neighborhood planning in the area in the 1980s. Some of you on the commission may have reviewed the annexation that went through the review process I believe it went to the commission in 2018 and it was recorded for annexation into the city in 2019. And then the concept plan that was approved at the time of annexation included only light industrial uses at the time. Next slide please. So this just provides a brief outline of the primary components of this request for the concept plan amendment. Again the applicant is going to provide more details regarding their proposal as part of their presentation. But just to note a few things. As I noted on the previous slide the original concept plan was for just light industrial. This proposal is for a mix of light industrial, commercial and mixed residential uses. There's also a planned collector street on the north side of the property which is Mountain Brook Drive that will extend from Anderson Street on the east over to Rogers Road to the west. There's also a future local street connection along the west side of this property that will eventually connect down to Nelson Road. There also likely be an emergency access along the narrow parcel that's along the south side of this property. And then there are also plans for pedestrian connections internal and to external paths as part of future development of the property. Next slide please. So just a few notes about proposed development phases of the property. The phasing plan shows light industrial and commercial uses on the west side and the northern side to be developed first with Mountain Brook Drive that collector street on the north side making a connection to Anderson Street to the east and Rogers Road to the west with the initial phases of development. And then the mixed residential which is kind of on the western side of the parcel will be included during later phases of development of the property. And as I mentioned the local street along the west side that will connect to Nelson Road with a future phase of development. And then also the emergency access as I mentioned before also along that narrow quarter to that will provide a connection down to Nelson Road. Next slide please. So these next few slides outline some of the topics that were discussed during the DRC review prior to the hearing being scheduled. So I'm going to touch upon a few of these topics that were outlined in more detail in the staff communication. So the first one is related to airport impacts and land use mix. And as part of the review process and actually prior to the application submittal as part of the pre-application discussion staff had discussed with the applicant potential impacts of proximity to the airport particularly as it related to residential development. And through the conversations that we've had with the applicant the applicant intends to work with the city so that the airport operations are not compromised by future development on this property given its proximity to the airport and the airport runway. A couple of things of note. The future development on the property be subject to the airport influence overlay zone and the FAA regulations. And compliance with the airport influence overlay and the FAA regulations will address a few things such as electrical interference, impairing visibility. An example might be if this project is very interested in having net zero energy impact. And so one thing that they'd be looking at is potential solar panels. And so just need to take a look at reflectivity of those solar panels and make sure they're not having an adverse impact on on aircraft flights approaching the airport. A few other things would be just otherwise other factors that might create a hazard or endanger aircraft as well as some of the height restrictions related to the airport airspace. And as noted in the email and the and the letter that was provided by the FAA regarding the airspace analysis that the applicant had submitted to the FAA for preliminary review. And then the applicant is also will also grant a navigation easement to the city as part of future development and subdivision planning. And the grantee of a navigation easement will acknowledge a few things. One, obviously the activities and noise associated with airport operations, the right of passage over the property by aircraft as well as restrictions regarding the height of structures or other objects on the property so that it doesn't impede into that airspace that's restricted by FAA regulations. Next slide please. So in terms of environmental protections, and that's typically one of the criteria associated with any application and concept plans. A habitat and species conservation plan was submitted with the application. And it did not identify any threatened or endangered species or habitat or wetlands or waters of the US subject to federal regulation or local regulations. Natural resource staff did review the habitat and species conservation plan and they generally agreed with the findings and recommendations from the plan. And they did note some recommendations regarding burdeness mitigation procedures that will be followed prior to construction with future phases of development such as going through the subdivision process as well as site planning for future development. Next slide please. There is also an environmental site assessment that was submitted. It's the same assessment that was provided through the annexation process. And staff was okay with the 2017 assessment since nothing really has changed on the property since it was annexed. And the environmental site assessment indicated that there was no evidence of environmental conditions on the property that would require additional investigation. Next slide please. So in terms of traffic and roadway improvements, the development of the property is not expected to have an adverse impact on the level of service and the transportation benchmark. And this will be reviewed again with the future preliminary subdivision plan as the plan is more refined. And roadway improvements will include, as I mentioned before, connections to the collector street on the north side to Anderson Street to the east and Rogers Road to the west. And modern west will also participate in the future traffic signal improvements at the Rogers Road and Airport Road intersection. And any additional improvement requirements will be addressed at the time of future subdivision and development. Next slide, please. So as we went through the review process, we talked about a few other things such as infrastructure considerations for future development. Those will be required to comply with municipal code requirements at the time of subdivision plotting and site planning review. Things such as multimodal and pedestrian connections, utility improvements, including storm drainage and water quality design. It appears that utility capacity is anticipated to be adequate and emergency response times will comply with the city's benchmark. Obviously, the fire station number five is nearby at the intersection of Airport and Nelson Road. And there are more details in the communication on each of these topics if the commission has questions about this. Next slide, please. So this slide just outlines instances where there have been and will continue to be opportunities for public input on this project. The neighborhood meeting was held back about a year ago in December 2019. Notice of application occurred in May of this year. The notice of the public hearing was sent out in early December. Obviously, we're here tonight for the public hearing with the plan zoning commission. This application will be forwarded on to city council and there will be a notice to surrounding property owners for the public hearing with city council in early January. And then the city council public hearing will likely be held in late January. All right, that should be 20, sorry about that. For the notice and the hearing with city council. And then once the concept plan amendment, assuming it gets approved, it's through the process. Obviously, there will be additional opportunities through the subdivision plaid and site plan review process for the public to have opportunities on on future design for this site as well. Next slide, please. So throughout the review process, we've only received one public comment. And that includes what I will say through the neighborhood meeting. There were some questions and general comments regarding kind of the process and the timing of construction and things of that nature, but there weren't really any substantive questions or concerns raised at the neighborhood meeting. So the one public comment that had some substance was expressing some concern with traffic and the timing of some of the Nelson road improvements. And a couple of emails that we received recently emails of support of the project were also received and those were forwarded to the commission. Next slide, please. So as part of the review process, staff sends out the proposal to outside agencies to see if they have any questions or concerns or comments on the proposal. So we did receive some feedback from the school district and they confirmed that none of the schools, at least at this time, that would serve this development or near the school capacity benchmark. So future preliminary and final subdivision plans and site plans, those will be reviewed by the school district again to make sure and confirm that there's adequate school capacity when the property is closer to development. Staff also did receive an email that was forwarded to the commission for the Alumni Economic Development Partnership that was submitted for it that provided support for the project. And then also forwarded to the commission was an email as well as a letter from the FAA that indicated that they had reviewed the applicant's airspace analysis submittal and made it a preliminary determination of no hazard to air navigation based on the anticipated and expected future building heights for development on this property. Next slide please. So this slide just includes a few procedural notes. So as noted, the applicant is responsible for demonstrating that the application meets the applicable review criteria and municipal code standards and they will, as part of their presentation, they will address the criteria in more detail. The Planned Zoning Commission is a recommending body for a concept plan amendment and the commission's recommendation will be forwarded to City Council. Council's decision making body on this application. Next slide please. So based on staff's analysis of the review criteria, as noted in the communication, staff found the application to meet the criteria and is recommending approval as noted in PZ Resolution 2028A. Next slide please. So this slide just outlines the next steps for tonight's hearing. We'll have the applicant's presentation next. The commission will open up a public hearing to see if there's members of the public that would like to speak this evening. After the public hearing, the commission will have opportunities to ask questions of the applicant or staff based on the public hearing comments or questions that the commission may have and the commission will deliberate on the matter and then the commission will take a motion and a vote on the item and that will conclude tonight's hearing. So with that, Barb Brunk will be presenting for the applicant and next slide please. Just want to say thank you commissioners and Eric and Jane for your help this evening and that concludes my presentation comments. Thank you very much. Thank you, Brian. So we'll move on to Ms. Brunk. Good evening, Chairman Schurnack and commissioners. I'm Barb Brunk, Resource Conservation Partners, PO Box 1522 Longmont, Colorado. I'm so excited to be here this evening to talk to you again about the modern west project. I'm really the storyteller this evening. Derek Rossio has assembled a team to develop and implement his vision for a unique, sustainable, energy efficient, integrated mixed use community in Longmont. Derek is the landowner, applicant, and keeper of the vision for the project. We also have key members of the design team here this evening to answer questions as they come up. Erin Bagnell from Sophos Bar and Architects, Kara Carmichael from the Rocky Mountain Institute, Shanti Pless from the National Renewable Energy Lab, Todd Borger with TJB Consulting Engineering, Peter Battali also with Modern West. We also have Mike Morgan, an attorney that has represented airports and businesses surrounding airports for over 25 years to answer FAA and airport related questions and Chris McGranahan from LSC, who is our transportation engineer. This talented team of design professionals is working together to implement Derek's vision. We have a short video that tells the story of Modern West and staff now is the time to play the video. Just a sec, I want to make sure we have computer sound as well. Can you hear that? Yes. You can design and build an amazingly beautiful architectural masterpiece and if there is no human element and soul invested into that, you feel an emptiness. All of the different building types and experiences I've had for going on 30 years here, it's called being culminated into this project. Modern West is a new way to do land development. It brings in a mix of uses, commercial, industrial, living for art, play, expression, home. The intent and the goal of Modern West is to provide flexibility and opportunity to use spaces that you wouldn't traditionally use. We were really trying to capture some of this maker entrepreneurial spirit. We want to bring some of that old industrial quality and spaces that are more natural filling. Big openings, positioning trees, framing views to the mountains, getting to interact with the seasons. This project is really interesting from the beginning because I've worked with a lot of developers and Derek is a special type of developer. He's a very intentional person in everything he does. He's really, really engaged in the Longmont community because he lives there and he's concerned about the future for his kids, where they're going to grow up and live. Our partnership with the National Renewable Energy Laboratory and Rocky Mountain Institute will help us put sustainability at the forefront. They're a group of the brightest minds with building science in the world of innovation. Maybe too nerdy. Cost-effectivity, it sounds like some kind of horror movie. Rocky Mountain Institute is excited. We're playing a couple critical roles on the Modern West project. We don't get involved in a huge range but really focused projects that are pushing the bounds of innovation. The Modern West team is composed of the biggest nerds in the energy space and so our goal really is to put all of the right pieces in the right order so that the sustainability part is just embedded in the fabric of the development. The building sector is the single largest contributor of CO2 emissions in the world right now. A big part of our role is integrating all of these technologies and concepts and ideas in conjunction with the National Renewable Energy Laboratory and making them cost-effective. So I've been at NREL, National Renewable Energy Lab, for 20 years. I get to work on projects that are really moving the industry forward and Modern West is one of those, it's going above and beyond where most developments at this stage go. NREL represents an objective science-based third-party participant. What Modern West is attempting to do around zero energy communities is well aligned with our research trying to deploy and demonstrate large-scale net zero developments around the U.S. The way we look at net zero energy is a set of buildings that produce more onsite renewable energy than they use from the utility over the course of a year. In places like Longmont where we have over 300 days a year of sunshine, we can take advantage of that to be our primary energy-producing resource. A lot of the research that's happening is how to best integrate those solutions into the grid because if everyone puts solar on their building in the middle of the day the utility would not be able to absorb all that extra renewable energy. So having a small municipal utility that will work with developments like this as an active partner is a key opportunity for this type of project. Projects like this for the state are critical to approve that it can be done and we have to figure out how to do it affordably. Studies have shown that net zero energy doesn't cost more upfront if it's done right. We've been learning lessons about live work for a while now. We find that if people have a space to go like a maker space or a collaborative space then they'll go there to work as well and it's more of a communal effort. With our live work row homes we want to create a space where micro business can thrive. So we thought it would be a great idea to start to provide these industrial bays that are a little bit bigger than something you would find traditionally. All of this commercial and light industrial use envelops the residential portion of the site. From a utility perspective the mixed use amenities that it has on site they're quite complimentary and when they use energy over the course of the day. The live work component also helps build community. When you have artists and entrepreneurs and makers living together it creates a spirit of vibrancy and aliveness. We think there's not a place like this in the region. It's all about the community here. Watch your privacy but you want to be part of the community because we have multifamily buildings. They're all connected by these green spaces and pathways in a more pedestrian friendly environment. And so they contain a collective itself by creating a space to gather. We're able to take this really narrow strip and integrate these two ideas. Tiny Homes and Community Garden has shared a common interest. You oftentimes don't see art woven into projects so that's where Modern West is unique. Well it's more around a human level. The materials are going to be pretty raw in nature. Concrete, steel, wood. We can actually design buildings specifically for certain age groups. We want to appeal to Generation Z all the way up to baby boomers. The Modern West site meets a lot of the guiding principles that are laid out in the Envision Longmont plan. And that's kind of where we found our alignment with what Longmont's trying to do. Affordable housing, we're going to create economic development, green space. The idea is to preserve what's succeeding in Longmont right now and to provide direction for the future. Creation of smaller production facilities is a need that Longmont sees. How can we leverage the opportunities in this community to support Longmont power's goals of clean reliable energy? The grid in the U.S. there's a lot of municipal utilities that are asking the exact same questions. How can we decarbonize our grid and our buildings in unison? Modern West sits just east of Vance Brand Airport and we're on a flight path. We have to be mindful of that relationship and partner with the airport. We've actually designed our buildings to relate to the air traffic. With the intention being that everybody that lives and works in this community is going to celebrate the airport and not think of it as a nuisance. Anytime you have lots of solar systems by an airport it's always a challenge, right? Concerns about glare from planes being able to see the runway. That being said you can do modeling to prove when that would happen and line that up with where the sun is, where the solar is, what type of film the solar panels have. Most of the air traffic is in a landing pattern so it's more of a quiet relationship than a takeoff. So it's actually pretty enjoyable to be sitting there and watching a plane fly over. We're working on the fringe of innovation here. This is a place that I would want to live, that I want my kids to live and this is a place that really fosters the sustainability values that I cherish. We're hoping that modern west becomes a pilot project for new ways to design and develop but I want to feel that. It adds a level of human connection and soul. Now we'll switch to a power point presentation and go through the criteria and components of the project. So can we have, there we go. We talked about these key elements of the team. Next slide. So every time I see this film I'm reminded how fortunate we are to have a landowner who has a vision and is willing to gather the resources and follow through to implement it. This site is located in the middle of the mixed-use neighborhood in this part of the community. We're here this evening to ask for your recommendation of approval to amend the modern west concept plan to bring it more into alignment with the mixed-use employment designation on the land-use plan and the mixed-use employment zoning on the property. The amendment will update the framework on the site to allow for creation of a new high-quality energy efficient mixed-use development that will provide a transformative space for community benefit within the city of Longmont. Next slide. This project, this location is identified as an area of change in Envision Longmont. And areas of change are specifically noted to target future development, intense development, and they've been noted as a place where the community can- Ms. Brunk, you uh you suddenly went muted on us, so I'll need you to back up a little bit. How far back? Uh you were talking about uh areas of change? Areas of change. Okay so we're still on the right slide. So again this site is identified as an area of change in Envision Longmont and those areas are specifically designated as like locations for future development and where intensity of development will benefit and be desirable in our community. The proposal fits into the growth framework for Longmont and will create places for people that will promote a sense of community, provide an opportunity for people to live, work, play, connect, and meet their daily needs. Next slide. This site is also located in the context of centers and corridors as identified in the Envision Longmont plan. We are close to the airport road and Nelson Road major corridor and the connections that we'll add as we develop the property will fit this site into the grid. It seems like it's out in the middle of nowhere there, in the middle of farmland now, but as the transportation improvements are installed it'll fit into that framework. It's also located close to centers and transit within the community. Next slide. As Brian said the original uh concept plan for this property was one use and light industrial and was based on the prior zoning of BLI. Adoption of the Envisioning and Use Mixed Use Employment Designation and the Mixed Use Zoning will allow us to create a project that's much more in alignment with the comprehensive plan. It'll allow for sustainable and resilient project to provide a mix of uses and businesses, allow for on-site residential, provide community benefits, and create a supportable density within walking distance to transit and multi-use bike and pedestrian networks. This will be one component to add an appropriate mix of uses within this portion of the mixed-use neighborhood in this part of Longmont. Next slide. This is our concept plan and you know this project is a poster child for integrated mixed-use development. We have flexible light industrial space for existing and startup businesses, live work and maker spaces to support small business entrepreneurs and artists and homes for residents of all ages and incomes. The neighborhood is designed to create and foster community connections as Derek talked about in the film and all of this takes place in the context of an energy-efficient sustainable project. The mix of uses include light industrial, commercial and residential. 63% of the site will be the primary uses and 37% of the site land area will be dedicated to the secondary uses. This combination of uses supports job creation and economic development and will add diversity to the housing stock in this portion of Longmont. In addition the uses will all be interconnected both on the site and to the community at large with pedestrian and bicycle connections and to the transit system in Longmont. Next slide. This just kinds of shows where we are. The mixed-use designations there are properties that are annexed and zone mixed-use and you can see where we are relative to the grid with airport to the west, Nelson Road to the south, Rogers Road to the north and Hoover over on the east. Next slide. This slide demonstrates how the site will be connected to the Longmont grid with the new transportation. So there along the north end of the property is Meadowbrick Parkway and that will link Rogers Road to Hover Road eventually and in the short term it'll link the parkway to Nelson via Anderson Road and then there's also a north-south road along the western edge of the property that will also provide a future connection. Next slide. This is how our project kind of fits in and was designed relative to the system. So the site is designed with the non-residential uses adjacent to the collector so you see the commercial and the light industrial and then industrial wraps around the eastern edge of the property and the southern edge of the property. So residential uses are in this kind of in the center and will be accessed internally so the main access will be into the light industrial project and those residential and commercial uses will be integrated with a trail system. You can see the yellow line that will connect us down to Nelson Road and then into Lycans Gulch which gets us into the overall pedestrian and bicycle network within the city. Next slide. We're so excited to be working with NREL as part of the project team on this site. Their role for NREL and Rocky Mountain Institute informed the concept design for the property. The letters in your packet from Shanti Pless and Kara Carmichael outlined their respective roles of NREL in the design team. NREL also included this project and they recently published a guide to energy master planning of high performance districts and communities. So this is part of getting us into the national spotlight for Longmont as far as being on the cutting edge. The concept plan establishes a site layout to support passive solar site design allow for integrated integration of both active and passive solar access. So not only do we have the buildings lined up so they work for panels we also have the massing and layout so that we work for natural light on the property for both the businesses and the homes. Shanti Pless from NREL is here this evening to answer questions about NREL's ongoing role in the project. Next slide. The Rocky Mountain Institute is also part of our design team and the gift here is that Derek brought NREL and RMI into the process at the very beginning so that we're not trying to figure out how to do it later because we didn't look at at the front end. We've also had initial conversations with Longmont Power and Communications. RMI will continue to provide technical process and scaling support as we move forward to design and develop the property. We have a unique opportunity in Longmont because we have our own utility grid to collaborate with LPC and the Platte River Power Authority to develop a project that can serve as an example of how to integrate on-site renewable energy into the power grid. RMI will continue to help the team look toward how this project can be scaled up and create a web public model for collaboration with local energy providers and to achieve grid interactivity and Car Car Michael is here again from RMI this evening to answer any questions you have about that component of the project. Next slide. Okay here we are at the airport influence zone so the site is located in the middle of the mixed-use neighborhood to the south and east of the airport and again Brian showed you that oval that shows up on the plan. So first and foremost everything that happens on this property will be in compliance with the city and FAA safety regulations in place at the time the property is developed. We understand that the airport influence area overlay is there to protect and encourage the ongoing operation of the airport. Next slide. We took a proactive approach with the FAA and looked at both land use relative to the airport and what kind of land uses are compatible relative to the airport and safety factors. So the analysis shows that the site meets the FAA standards regarding land use in vicinity of the airport and the request for an evaluation we actually sent a request for them to look at the tallest possible building on the property as close to the airport as it possibly could be on the site and with that the FAA looked at it and determined that there would be no hazard to air navigation. Now that is a snapshot in time so this will continue to be part of the analysis as we proceed through the process. So every time we look at this site we'll revisit that FAA airspace designation and the city of Longmont's airport overlay zone as we develop the property. So again all future development will comply with FAA standards and Longmont standards regarding the airport overlay zone. Next slide. It's our job to show that we meet the review criteria so I'm going to go through the highlights of these. There's a letter from the applicant in your packet from Erin Bagnell and the staff analysis of the review criteria which clearly demonstrate that we comply but I'd kind of like to hit the highlights. So the proposal meets the common review criteria as outlined in 150255 as shown in the letter and we further the goals as established in the mixed use employment and vision Longmont land use to embrace compact and efficient pattern of growth, promote sustainable mix of land uses, focus on development in corridors and other areas of change, integrate land use and transportation planning to enhance the overall quality of life in the city and protect and conserve Longmont's natural resources and environment. And this site is specific to sustainable development practices, creation of workspaces that are walkable and interconnected, and mixed use employment areas that actually promote that higher density mix of uses that we looked at when we updated the Envision Longmont plan. Again a concept plan is the basic framework so this will continue to bring more detail. We'll be back with a preliminary plat if you look at this again but things like connections to the transportation grid, connection to the utilities in the area, connections to the multimodal transportation system, all of those things are illustrated on the concept plan and will be continued to be integrated into the project as we move forward. Streets, transportation, all those things are part of the plan as we go forward. Next slide. There's also some specific review criteria for concept plans. As the site develops, transportation and utilities will be linked to the city system. Pedestrian bicycle links will also connect to the city's multimodal network. Transportation and utility systems have adequate capacity to serve the proposed uses. No adverse impacts to adjacent properties have been developed. As Brian said we provided a habitat conservation plan for submittal as part of the application process and no significant environmental resources were identified on the property. That said the applicant will follow the recommendations regarding migratory and nesting birds as outlined in the staff recommendation as we move forward to develop the property. Next slide. There are also review criteria for specific standards for secondary uses. This site is not located within a residential district. However, local internal access will be provided to the residents within the property. They will front onto that local street but access will be internal to the site. The secondary residential uses are specifically contemplated and allowed in the mixed use employment zone and will meet the standards as outlined in 1502. The proposed secondary uses will not substantially diminish the availability of land within the surrounding underlying zoning district. In this proposal land devoted to primary use is 63 of the property and land devoted to the secondary use is 37 of the property. They'll all be interconnected through that grid of streets and green spaces but the overall mix gives deference to the primary use as established in the zoning. Next slide. We're back to the airport. So again we understand the restrictions regarding glare and light and all those things. All those things will be continued to be addressed as we move forward to develop the property and I can't say it enough times we are conscious of the airport and understand that everything that happens on the property has to be compatible with the airport safe for pilots using the area not noisy for the people who live there and meet the height standards as established in the zone. As a property develops it'll comply with city and FAA standards. The applicant will provide an navigation easement and continued analysis will ensure that the proposal is compatible with the airport and will not compromise ongoing operations. Next slide. This project also has the ability to support several key elements of the city council's current work plan. So goal B1 as the site develops it will add diversity to the housing stock in Longmont. Goal B3 the partnership with NREL, RMI and LPC has the potential to put us at a nationally recognized level for a scalable approach to integrating the grid with on-site renewable energy. Goal B4 as the site develops will continue to expand our collaborative efforts to include local schools and higher education to provide education opportunities to expand the skills of our workforce. Goal B5 toward our renewable energy goals integration of renewable energy and the potential to be a model of how this type of collaborative effort can inform other land development projects in Longmont and other communities and again that piece that's scalable so that we have an opportunity to change the way we do business in Longmont as we continue to develop and truly all elements of the plan support a healthier climate for future generations and will help inform how we can better adapt to the impacts of climate change as we move forward. Next slide. Again our discussion this evening and application materials in your packet demonstrate that the application as presented complies with the applicable criteria as outlined in 1502055, 1502060A3, 1504030A1, 1503050A5 and we respectfully request that you forward the Modern West Concept Plan Amendment to City Council with a recommendation for approval. Our team is here to answer your questions we're excited to be able to talk to you this evening and we thank you for your time. That concludes our presentation. Thank you Ms. Brunk. I think just because it takes us so long to get callers into our system let's go ahead and start that process for the public hearing part of this and then of course after that we will have questions from the from the commission. So Erica if we could put the slide up for the call and information that would be great. As you can see on your screen from home if you want to make comments about this project please dial 1-888-788-0099. When prompted enter the meeting ID 831-5380-9801 and when asked for your participant ID press pound. When we're ready to hear public comment we will call on you to speak based on the last three digits of your phone number. Each speaker must state their name and address for the record. It will be allowed five minutes to speak. Please remember to mute the live stream when you're called upon to speak. To do this process takes us five minutes so we'll take a five minute break and come back and see who we have. Thanks. Once again folks if you are joining us to speak on the modern west concept plan amendment item agenda six on tonight's agenda please dial the number on your screen enter the meeting ID and please remember to mute the live stream. We will call you by the last three digits of your phone number and then you will have to state your name and address for the record and you will have five minutes to speak on item six. So Erica I think that's five minutes and tell us whether we had anybody call in please. We do not have any callers at this time chairman. Okay all right thank you very much Erica. I will close the public hearing part of this and we will go to discussion and questions from the commission. Anybody want to kick us off out of our commissioners there? Commissioner Flig. Thank you chairman. I was looking at the annexation agreement and it said that each initial purchaser signs an airport with a signature agreement although you're having the first buyers sign that disclosure agreement and yes there is an airport near know this will they also be also covered by this disclosure statement shouldn't there be a way in all of this that the airport disclosure also accrues each subsequent owner of a property so that they still have the same process so that we're not caught later on say 10, 15, 20 years down the way and the airport going and suddenly someone says well the noise is just just awful and I want to take measures and so on and so forth and maybe this is a question for. Okay so. Commissioner Surenette could I add something about that? Sure yes please do. So those little plat notes are tough and I agree with Commissioner Flig that the thing that we're going to also have on this property is that navigation easement. So that navigation easement will come up in the title work with every person who purchases a piece of property or comes to live here. I also think that the part about celebrating the airport as part of the site design and making sure that people will come into the community to look for a place to live will understand that the airport's there because there'll be elements of the design on site that celebrate the airport will help people understand that they're in the location of an airport it you know and call me crazy but when your road starts on airport road before you get to your front door there's a reason to think there might be an airport in the neighborhood. I think Commissioner Flig follow up. So the follow-up I have is you say it's in the it'll be in the title work it'll be in the title commitment. So will there be then a note on each deed that will ride with the deed? Title work every time you buy something you get a title commitment and so that easement will run with the land so every piece of property that is sold or purchased on that property will affect that easement and I'm going to ask the attorney Mike Morgan to maybe chime in about that. Well Barbara I think you've covered it beautifully. Every purchaser will get the title commitment and each of the exception documents and one of those documents will be a full copy of this navigation easement. So each purchaser will be subject to it and we'll have notice of it very clearly. And Mr. Morgan just to be clear so I understand so as Commissioner Flig was saying say 75 years down the road somebody the 10th buyer of a property in this goes to close that title company would be handing out the navigation easement for them to sign off on for the 10th time. Yes those those go all the way back today it runs with the land which means it goes on forever unless there's some agreement with the city to for some reason vacate it for instance if the airport goes away for some reason other than that it remains a record. Okay great thank you. Other questions discussion uh Commissioner Pollan. I have some questions about the size uh number stories of the buildings for each of the commercial industrial and mixed use residential what you're anticipating for those. I would ask Erin Bagnell who is our architect to talk through that conversation. Yeah hi um Erin Bagnell I there's there's a max of four stories that are that's allowable in this district um we are site design has a variety of heights and story levels that are associated we step down to the airport or the northern local collector road so it the answer question it varies and the maximum will be four stories tall some of them will be three some of them will be two what do you anticipate for the mixed use residential that right now is planned for four okay and the I'll go on I was just going to say that based on analysis that we did with NREL those buildings will step to provide sunlight. I guess my one concern is that by the looks of this then the properties on the west side are going to be the tallest taller buildings because those I believe will be taller than the light industrial. I was wondering why you wouldn't then reverse or why didn't you think about reversing light industrial and mixed use so that you go to taller buildings the further away from the airport that that you are because I'll tell you the one concern I have is mixed use or well residential buildings by close to the airport that's that's my one concern with this project and and that concern it lies in the height or is there other is there other concerns too in the height and in the density and I think that's one of the reasons why when we first approved this a couple years ago and was light industrial that the thought was that light industrial was not as dense of a zoning as might let's say residential might be so I guess it's both the height and the fact that it's a what I would consider a denser zoning. Okay I think I think what our response needs to be for that is that there all of all of the safety measures that are in place with the FAA and the city regulations will be met by the by every building so there's already a lot of measures in place around the airport so the concern for height shouldn't really be an issue in this location because we already meet all the regulatory requirements. Can I add one more thing to that conversation? Yes. I think a couple of things when we looked at this last time and it was just light industrial it's because the city had not already contemplated adding mixed youth employment to the mix of developments within the community and when we started through the Envision Longmont truly everything we did added density to the community with the idea that we're going to have a compact urban form to be the most energy efficient and the most the best stewards of the land and the resources that we have so I think that when Envision Longmont designated this part of Longmont at this location it anticipated density so if it's residential or industrial or mixed use all of those uses are allowed at the density on the underlying zone on this property so I think that the goal to make it integrated mixed use needs to add those people into the neighborhood to give it life. I mean if you go to any light industrial place that is a single use place and go there at six o'clock at night it's a desert and so the opportunity to include people at this level of density on this site will give it life and promote those goals as established in Envision Longmont. I completely understand your concern and the other piece we have is NREL looking at how we design these buildings to make sure that they are well it's a tight envelope so it's not a noise issue. Does that help? Not really huh? A little a little but I mean really the main the main thing that I'm trying to write my head around is that an area that's close to the airport that we're putting in the residential buildings and that's the thing that I'm trying to get my head around and that causes me to pause with this. Outside of that I love the project. If this was at some other place further away from the airport I would just absolutely love this. It's just because it's so close to the airport over the runway zone that's the issue that I have that I'm contemplating on so. Commissioner Haidt. Thank you Chairman Schernick. My concern's a little bit more pedestrian. First probably for DRC staff the Anderson self-storage facility to the east. I recall in one of our approvals of the self-storage area or a storage area that something they may have been in this facility. There were outbuildings that need to be torn down because they had some mini industrial activities taking place in them that would be rebuilt. Does anybody know for sure whether or not this Anderson storage facility which where I think RVs are being stored next door is that facility? Brian do you know? Commissioner Haidt I don't know for certain Barb might be able to respond to that because she worked on this project. Commissioner Haidt we did come and talk to you about the Anderson RV storage and since that conversation we're still in the process of finishing the PUD development plan to bring it into compliance with what was approved at the concept plan level but there were some buildings that were removed as part of that application that's been done. They took down the buildings that were going to be removed and built the buildings the new storage buildings that were going to be included and so when you go by that site you'll see that the plan pretty much looks like the plan as approved it's still in the DRC process and it's because it's on my desk. I can tell you that's what factors into my concern which is specifically that the environmental assessment for this property was done in 2017 when it was originally proposed for a concept plan. It seems that possibly that environmental assessment might be a little stale. Barb maybe you know in connection with the demolition of these buildings you know was it near the west boundary of the Anderson storage facility i.e adjacent to this area? No the the self-store the things that came down were internal to the site and that site also prepared and submitted an environmental assessment as it went through the process at the concept plan amendment. There were no environmental I don't remember any environmental reasons that that site wasn't okay they were just they just didn't function well for the property that's why they were taken down it wasn't that they were a hazard it was that they didn't integrate into the plan of the RV storage on the site as it was approved they were old buildings that just they were there but they didn't function as part of the approval so they were removed and replaced with those metal buildings with the shed roofs to put RVs in. I do recall that there was they were going to be replaced but by recollection is somewhat different that there was some type of mini industrial activity that I just remember being a little funky so there was a welding shop there maybe that's what you're thinking of possibly so that was question number one question number two is the panhandle portion of this property this the southern narrow and it's actually I think identified as parcel two and I think the concept plan is that a separate parcel is it an easement or is it actually owned in fee by the by the owner it's a fee simple part of the property okay so as it's the handle of our panhandle it's the panhandle yep I understand in looking at you know there's a there's a new road coming into the north metalwood drive there's a new collector that looks like possibly it ends but it's just going to be on the west boundary of the property and in your concept plan it looks like it those two roads add up to possibly providing five different access points to your property I note that it's identified as possibly emergency access to panhandle and I think was also identified as a multimodal path my question is the neighboring properties to the south the all's house properties under the southeast corner the showing up west corner their access or the future development of those parcels might be limited in the ability for those parcels to access nelson road especially as nelson becomes much more busy and access points to major thoroughfares becomes more limited is there any now this goes back to staff possibly to transportation is there any understanding of the impact of this connector piece possibly limiting the future development and access to nelson road of these other parcels the the shielding parcel and the all-house parcel ryan so um i don't know caroline do you have any comments on that before i wade into this um so i guess maybe to answer some general questions so most of the access to this property is to the north on the future east west collector mountain brook drive so they're the applicant is proposing to build that from rogers road to anderson that will also be built even further east by the mountain brook development to drake creek drive there was on the concept plan a local road north south on the west edge of the property that was proposed to be completed by others with development i know in the traffic study it was modeled as a full movement um given its proximity um out on an arterial and proximity to airport road as well given spacing it's possible it could be maybe movement restricted in the future as well but um as far as access to those other two parcels i know that our code does prohibit creating any parcels parcels that are undevelopable and i guess brian might have to chime in on that but um while our code does say you generally can't take direct access of off an arterial you can if it's the only means of access so i would just add to that that if you're looking at those two parcels want the one to the west of that little panhandle will have access off that local street someday that north south local street and those parcels are existing i was going to be my i was going to be my question um is there access from the shilling property onto that road to this uh residential connector that's unnamed the panhandle once it would annex i mean that's little piece of property that goes north the pan the handle to our property is not planned to be a public street it's planned to be used for a combination of maybe tiny homes or some kind of community garden and pedestrian access and and and a creative use of it so it isn't just left aside but that is not a full movement access onto nelson road so the only reason that vehicles would come off of vehicles would come off of that on nelson road would be for emergency access so i'm not sure who owns what piece but as if those properties were annexed they would need to figure out how they get access at the time they get annexed and i don't believe anything we're doing as part of this application changes that brian would you like to chime in sure commissioner height i mean i think the parcel that's on the west side of that panhandle obviously whenever and if they decide to go through the annexation process and annex and develop they would have access to that local street connection down to nelson road that that's currently shown on the concept plan running along the west side of the modern west property that would extend down to nelson road the two parcels that are unannexed on the east side of the panhandle that are south of the modern west and the anerson self storage or the rv storage parcels you know we'd have to take a look at those ideally you know we'd want them to perhaps take access over to anerson street to the east as their primary access and so that's one option in terms of a second means of access we'd have to take a look at different options maybe tying into this emergency access down the panhandle and or a separate emergency access out to nelson road if there wasn't another feasible option and then we could also potentially for this parcel at the southeast kind of the east side of the panhandle look at some type of integration or connection into the street system in the modern west property as well so it is if if someone could pull up possibly the concept plan i know this bronx presentation included it i have it up on my screen and i have some questions i guess regarding what's designated on that thing is there an ability to pull that up yep let me see you sorry a little challenge at the moment you guys can see that yet perfect okay thank you um so yeah i don't know maybe you can blow it up but the panhandle as i look at it is identified as being residential connector is that not a description of a road that's not a i thought that was going to be part of the street system to this subdivision is that incorrect it's not incorrect i mean we've had some conversations and they're not fully flushed out in terms of what the uses might be on that panhandle i know as as barb mentioned some options that have been discussed are perhaps in addition to an emergency access pedestrian trail connection you know we've talked about ideas of for example small smaller scale a residential i'm not convinced yet that that's going to fit on there but other options might be community gardens and or perhaps alternative energy systems maybe you know solar panels or something along those lines so i think we want to continue to have that conversation with the applicant about what's the the best use of that area as we go through the process for preliminary subdivision plan and site planning okay um then the road the future road unnamed road on the west side of the the development appears to go along the section line um is it anticipated that that road will actually at some point time connect to nelson yes that is correct yes it will okay i think that answers my problem answers my issue with respect to the the shilling property which i think mr brunk was pointing out to me um and then with respect to the alls house probably on the southeast corner and whatever's next to it they're going to find some other access point maybe through anderson road further to the east is that your understanding make it look like possibly to me you know go ahead commissioner height one option there are several options one would be obviously get a connection over to anderson street on the to the further to the east another option would be to if they need emergency access to tie into this emergency access in the panhandle another option might be to have a link into the modern west development that would provide access up to the collector street on the north side of the property and or local street on the west side of the property okay i just want to make sure that we weren't going to leave somebody landlocked um especially with nelson road becoming more and more of a major road and the access points the driveway cuts are going to be prohibited um and so i want to make sure that yeah certainly i mean obviously this will get further refined and the commission will have another opportunity to review this with the preliminary subdivision plat so you'll have a chance to look at street connections um in more detail obviously with the preliminary plat cool um thank you everyone for your indulgences i'm myself going to still be concerned about the stale environmental report but otherwise um as commissioner pollin identified like the project thank you um next uh commissioner tutta okay um like uh commissioner height i think i have a lot of accessibility and transportation issues but um to echo some of commissioner pollin's concerns i thought uh given that we have the airport manager david slater available i wonder if we could we could bring him in sure um do you have a question for him specifically about yes how he feels about the compatibility of the residential specifically in the density with the airport mr slater uh chair and commission members david slater i'm the airport manager for the city of long mind um the there is a technical clarification i guess if you ask an f a planner if the residential portion would be compatible and use which is an f a grant assurance that the city's required to uphold the answer would be no um historically though between the plat notices and going forward with this navigation easement um we've historically kind of had a pass given given a pass by the f a um some of the closer residential um there's no way to tell what kind of determination or response on that that that we would have but we have talked to them about other developments um a little bit about this one and we did inform them that we were going to be doing a navigation easement but technically it's not compatible land use with the residential but we're we're anticipating a pass from the f a on that with the uh navigation easement um commissioner teta do you mind if i do a follow-up question not at all okay um erica are you able to bring up our our packet and go to page 130 of our packet and put that up on to screen share i don't i mean i have the um modern west powerpoint that has 28 pages but i don't have any packets necessarily maybe jane can chime in um there's because page 130 of our packet has a very it's actually uh it's a drawing from so far from the architects um and it shows the runway and it shows uh the direct extended line from the center of the runway and then it but then it shows a trapezoidal set of lines extending beyond that center line of the runway and so just with that kind of uh in your mind and i'm sure mr slater you're you're very familiar with what i'm talking about um those lines that go beyond and and extend to the left and to the right of the center line of the runway um that's it that's what we want to look at um you can see that the upper extended line is crossing over the soon to be developed residential area of mountain brook you see that the lower extended line barely clips the the corner of stone bridge townhomes which is new but it definitely goes over slagle development which has been there for decades and then the neighborhood to the to the east of slagle so my question mr slater is is um you're saying that this is not a slam dunk with the faa but is given how much other residential is already within that that broader zone um is that um giving you the confidence that that that we would get a yes the the avocation easement is is kind of what i'm putting my bet on and i feel like that they would be happy with that since historically they have been um i just don't trust that i could give any kind of guarantees now as far as what you're looking at there that that appears to be the um approach to parts or surfaces and has more to do with airspace than noise or compatible land use um which as barb mentioned they they did um take a proactive approach with the faa and and did receive a letter of no objection as far as the airspace goes so that that portion of it is not as much of a concern but within the airport influence zone pretty much anywhere uh especially with that close of a proximity to to the runway um i think that's what the faa looks at when with compatible land use as far as residential uh they don't really like schools or churches either but in in in that uh compatibility issue um the industrial commercial light industrial things like that is is very much compatible land use um it's just the residential is the only thing that we had a concern with but with with that avocation easement i am hopeful and and feel pretty confident that the faa would give us a pass with that okay and one more follow-up question for you mr slater so as we're looking at this drawing the center line of the runway we we see goes directly over um the parcel that is just north of rogers road the curve you know so say you have airport the intersection with rogers and in that curved part of rogers we had a project and yes exactly thank you erica um we had a project in front of us a couple years ago that was for like a um a set of storage units that would be built on that that parcel and we had um we had pilots uh who came to our meeting and said that's a very dangerous place to build uh because as we take off you know if something goes wrong we don't have a place to land safely or to bail out is in your opinion um given how much further away this project is from that and we have no pilots here this evening saying hey i'm really nervous about this are we in a much safer position with the project in front of us in terms of something going wrong for an airplane that takes off i think with the the easements that are already in place as well as the the um it's not the collector road but the one that comes off of rogers in the curve uh being in line you know i think that that is helpful and being further back than what the storage units we're going to be is helpful um it also gives them the opportunity to to possibly uh deviate so that they can avoid any residential or or any building for that matter but uh i i think we're certainly better off than we were with the storage unit um i'm sure that you're still going to have a handful of people that would push back and and make the same argument um but you know i think we are better off than we were with the storage units okay thank you mr slater back to commissioner tetta it's hard to take up your time thank you thank you uh chair chairman shernick um i think um yeah i think that's all i have thanks okay um i do have another question uh i believe this is uh for miss brunk um uh there was a letter in our packet from from a uh i think from the neighborhood meeting where they were wondering what some of the light industrial uses would be and i think it was in your presentation i saw on the right hand side of one of your slides about four four uses listed one was um uh airport partners for partnerships or something like that can you give us a little bit of a vision as to what the light industrial uses might be i can speak a little bit to it but i think erin could also speak to it i mean what the the goal is to have um maker space so that as as new businesses as in existing businesses you know we have lots of little businesses around town are working out of somebody's garage and their next step is up to a place where there's an office or a home and a space big enough to build things in and so we're thinking that it's that it's going to be those kinds of things um the reason we put in airport is because we're next to the airport so if somebody's going to manufacture something or provide a um a complimentary use of some kind of thing that the airport needs this is a perfect location to do that so we don't have any idea exactly who they're going to be but the goal is to have a collaborative maker space entrepreneurial place that allows flexibility in the size of those units are going to have overhead doors which is lacking in long month and so you know it's it's the kind of thing where there's a front office and a rear end that has a place to build things that has a high ceiling and those kinds of things so it would be a mix of uses and um you know they'll each get a building permit that'll be a little more refined as we move forward with the architecture and the site design but i think that again that goal is maker space to have businesses and entrepreneurs you know i also want to make sure that if you have specific questions regarding airport and faa standards mike morgan has had 25 years of working with the standards so if if you have a question about how we comply with the land use compatibility i think those things are based on noise standards and there's a letter in your packet from mike that outlines that but he can talk specifically to those things if anybody has those specific questions sorry to sidetrack but i just want to make sure that if you want his voice in the room it's available great thank you miss thanks more questions from the commission actually i oh go ahead commissioner goldberg yeah thanks chairman well i think just to um add a slightly different perspective into to the discussion um while i appreciate the concerns um of accessibility raised by commissioner height and the concerns around safety uh for both the pilots and for the residents raised by poland commissioner poland commissioner teta um boy i'm i am favorable this product of this project um i think in our packet it was revealed that is for the most part meets the review criteria and as a result staff made the recommendation for approval additionally there wasn't a any major pushback from neighbors that's always a welcome position to be in so often we're handling far more phone calls on that public invite to be heard that we didn't hear today um given the cautious support by the airport manager uh and referring to the likelihood of this meeting being approved by the ffa and and that the applicant has agreed to meet all the regulations that come along with being in this area i sure think that this is you know a forward thinking project um recognizing where it's located in the city um and recognizing some of the challenges that come with that of course noise and and other challenges of being near the airport but i think at the same time that's a little bit of a silver lining in that we have a uh the opportunity to have a project here and maybe what might be considered an undesirable part of town that is innovative forward thinking focused on sustainability creative in a way that we don't see too often here um and gosh i think it aligns with our envision long month uh so you know i'd like to you know hear from the rest of the commissioner that we haven't heard from yet or um just wanted to drop that in and see where that takes us thank you commissioner golberg um actually uh i'll second everything you've just said um about this project i i think it's i think the applicant is is not stretching it very much to say that this would really put a long month on a national even international stage as to how to to do something like this at a more of a district level 16 acres i mean this is a big project um i am curious um because we have the consultant from in rel and also is car michael from rmi rocking out institute um uh just tonight i got my december issue of architectural record and i was flipping through it before the meeting and uh and there was an article in it saying that um something like half of the architectural firms that have signed on to uh ed mazria's 2030 net zero challenge um are currently reporting that they can't come close to meeting it um uh to the current goals and the goals step up uh in in the next year or two etc so i'm i'm wondering from mr plas and this car michael and maybe miss bagnell as well um how and i don't think this is necessarily tied to approval of this of this project but but since you're here i just want to kind of take pick your brains and and and hear what you have to say how does a project like this stay on track and actually hit net zero by the time it finishes build out because in this article that i saw most of the architects were saying the reason we couldn't hit as our net zero goals were because of value engineering processes and uh and losing all of the basically the intention that that we started with would any of you care to chime in on that sure i'd be happy to start and shanti feel free to weigh in uh Kara Carmichael from Rocky Mountain Institute i think it's a fantastic question and um we've been fortunate to be part of many projects um over the years my 20 year career have worked on a number of net zero energy and really aggressive ambitious projects and i think what makes those successful um you know the ones that do really succeed knock it out of the park is having a firm commitment from the very beginning um established in kind of the nature of the project through a strong leader and i see that in Derek and a commitment from the whole team and the understanding of this is a core part of the project that we're building um and so i i feel like that intentionality and that motivation and that clarity and vision um is there and has been there from the very start and i think often sustainability is an element that can be looked at oh we'll add it in later and and that just you know if you're going to make it cost effective and you know solidify your commitment so that it isn't something that can be value engineered out you know at the late at later stages it needs to be there from the beginning and i think value engineering it's such a weird term because it's not any value and it's not engineering um it's really just kind of a cost reduction measure and if you do integrative design properly where you're actually designing an an envelope for a building that is complementary to the mechanical systems that you're designing which also complements kind of the grid and the infrastructure that that you're adding it works together as a system so that you can't just remove one piece but it really is kind of orchestrated together um so the solution is optimized from that standpoint from the beginning okay what would yeah thanks for thanks for having us um yeah it's shanty plus here at nrel um i think it's uh something we work on on the research side as well in terms of how decisions are made how um how the components price out i think uh as those of us in the you know that have gotten solar quotes for houses lately right that these costs of some of the more expensive systems that historically that were too expensive for owners or developers to afford that you might have had aspirational goals but now when the when the you know the actual cost hit the budget uh just don't make it into the final project um those costs have come down significantly something like 80% cost reduction last eight years for solar in particular wind and batteries as well electric vehicle you know charging infrastructure all these things are have pretty aggressive um cost compressions happening last five years that really may get approachable now more for projects that and support of these goals and so i think um you know as um as an integrated team can approach this and with those additional you know cost um compressions available now i think we'll you'll see more and more able to do that um i and you know the the design industry i think uh maybe eric and jump in here and and uh from uh from the architecture and these are architectural commitment but i think the design the design community is ready to step up i think it's the when you have integrated teams all pointed towards this goal is when you can really um get through those those kind of budget issues and cost you know and uh extra cost issues that you know have plagued those teams in the past thank you mr plus uh miss bagnell yeah thanks chairman chernick um i would say that of course budgetary constraints are always a concern but what we have here and it's most important here is a dedicated owner and that's that's what makes me feel confident in this process and this team and the dedication that he's showing to this goal i i feel like that's something you don't get very often so it's it's a special thing and i feel like it's a good opportunity for the city of long line great thank thank you all for for giving us kind of a bigger picture there as to how how this can play out course um you know we're at a concept plan level and so you know there's a lot of further stages where more and more detail comes into play miss bronc i just want to add that you know we've been talked about how we're going to make this work how we're going to make a pencil from the beginning so everybody gets that and part of how we got to such an integrated mix of uses is all of the combined uses help with pencil so it the project as a whole works financially but if we start pulling out pieces of it it starts to fall apart so an integrated mixed use community is much more able to meet the financial performer than a single-use project so i i think that needs to be part of this discussion you know again derrick has said from the beginning i gotta be able to afford to build it i know i need to do it i gotta be able to do it and i can tell you that i've worked with a lot of people over the years this applicant has his heart and a commitment to this project and it's evident every time you talk to him it just you can see the twinkle in his eye when he talks about it and his commitment to the environment in everything he says so i think that's the other piece about having a not fall apart at the end so thank you very much um other questions from the commissioners i'm i'm going to uh chime in and say that uh i believe that the applicant has uh has shown in their presentation and in in our our packet which we received they have met the review criteria um and uh i believe that um given that i would like to make a motion to approve pzr 2020-8a which would move this as a recommendation to city council with no conditions it's an approval with no conditions um so motion on the floor to approve pzr 2020-8a commissioner height i will second that and add in that um i do believe that it meets the criterion as a concept planned i do have concerns which i reserve for later date about you know the updating of an environmental assessment um and my concerns regarding the impact to access of other properties in the future seems to have been addressed so i'm in favor and second your proposal thank you thank you we have a second uh commissioner uniron i saw you had your hand up oh you're going to second okay do you want to make some comments i okay well the only comment i was going to make is that you know in terms of the proximity to the airport there's a security issue as long as that is addressed the second issue is inconvenience and then you know inconvenience for the residents but when you balance that with several items the benefit this development is going to bring to the land use of uh long month by means of not doing a single use but a really supportive mix use and plus all the sustainability items that is going to save in the long term for the residences that's a balance and on top of that i'm going to add the views from that particular side so actually it's a very desirable you know proposition so with that i think so many items are gonna cancel out the inconvenience of the noise and other items as long as security the conditions are met that's why i support the project and i was gonna second but yeah okay thank you commissioner uniron any further discussion commissioner bowlin yeah i'm just gonna say i'm gonna vote against this just because i don't mind the mix use the thing that really still kind of gives me pause is the fact there's could be three and four story buildings residential buildings that close where in that area we don't have anything close to that height um and it's i don't care about the noise i understand the noise people going there should understand the noise i just worry about the safety of putting that kind of building that close to the airport um two story buildings i'd be fine with mix use i'm fine with it's just that there are three and four stories and that's the thing that gives me pause so just kind of want to explain why i'll be voting no okay um other comments before we take a vote okay let's go ahead and vote on those in favor raise your hand and say hi hi okay it looks like it's uh all but uh commissioner bowlin those against raise your hand commissioner bowlin is against any abstentions i see no abstentions so jane that is uh passing six to one with commissioner bowlin uh opposing and let's see i need to read our announcement here this item will now be forwarded to the long month city council for action if you're unfamiliar with council procedures and intend to appear before council please contact the planning division for further information at 303-651-8330 okay we have more items on our agenda but first i want to thank the applicant and his entire team who came tonight to help us work through this um also thank you to caroline michael and brian schumacher and david slater our city staff who supported us in figuring out what's going on with this project um so again thank you very much um next item on our agenda is item seven which is our final call for the public invited to be heard erica we need our slide up on the screen showing the the phone number please there we go um please dial 1-888-788-0099 when prompted enter the meeting id 831-5300-9801 and when asked for your participant id press pound when we're ready to hear public comment we'll call you to speak based on the last three digits of your phone number each speaker must state their name and address for the record and we'll be allowed five minutes to speak please remember to mute the live stream when you're called upon to speak to get everybody who might call in oh and this is for items that we're not on tonight's agenda so anything that was not in the item we just heard um we'll take a five minute break to give people a chance to call in we'll be back in five minutes all right erica did we get anybody calling in we did not chairman okay thank you very much we'll close the uh the public invited to be heard um next is items from the commission i myself would like to uh thank erica illingworth and uh jane madrid for their help tonight and of course special thanks to jane for all of her help uh throughout the year um we can't do it without you so appreciate that um and also want to wish everybody a uh safe and healthy holiday season uh let's get into 2021 in one piece um uh anybody else from the commission nope okay um any items from council representative erin rodriguez thank you chair surenik uh of course as always merry christmas and happy hanukkah and happy holidays to all of our commissioners as well as the staff for the city of longmont you guys do great work and you provide so much as far as support uh for the decisions we have to make at city council so as always thank you so much for your service and i will see you next year thank you so much any items from uh planning director um glenn van menmueva uh mr chair i just wanted to mention that uh last night the city council um did reappoint a couple of alternate members i think they're reappointment but correct me if i'm wrong so selena coler um was reappointed to december 31st 2022 and then uh analu kachi um was uh reappointed for the same term and then they appointed a new regular member jerry boone um for december 31st 2025 term i'm sorry that is incorrect no uh commissioner high has been reappointed for his term commission uh jerry boone has been appointed as an alternate oh yeah i was about to say goodbye folks wow i'm terribly sorry for the clarification it's been fun commissioner height all right well um thank you glenn and congratulations to commissioner coler and commissioner lucotch and um and to our new alternate mr boone and to commissioner height uh for his reappointment um so uh glenn anything else from your desk we had a short meeting um i think it was on monday um with chairman schurnick um and it was suggested that perhaps you generally i think have a kind of a work session at the first meeting in january um and i think the idea was proposed that maybe we do a um uh a relook at um the open meetings laws and how that affects x part a communication and certainly the planning commission um i have talked to teresa i believe she is definitely on board with that so we'll start planning that um january session straight away and also enjoy your holidays great thank you so much glenn um and uh anything else glenn was that i didn't catch off okay no sir all right okay so the last item on our agenda is number 11 which is adjournment um seeing nobody opposed we will adjourn thanks everybody take care happy holidays all