 Also, she's at the Planet Hollywood, which makes way more stuff. Oh, okay, so I just had it wrong. Let me take back my glove. Never mind. Video's live, by the way. You could put your gauntlets back on. Sir! I wish I would've caught the gauntlet throwing live on the video. Dammit. Oh well. Just took too long. That would've been a great way to open a video with a challenge duel. I challenge you to a duel. Oh wait, she's at the Planet Hollywood. Oh, never mind. Maybe I just wish it was at the Cosmopolitan. Yeah, I know. Anyway, don't sit down. Gotta get that video a little time. Cook a little time in the oven. Beatmaster says YouTube is a lie. Why is it a lie? Oh, live, never mind. There's, yeah, yeah. They do a lot of stuff. I mean, the Cosmopolitan might be too young for me. Also, the Cosmopolitan doesn't have a performance space. That would be the other major. That was the other hard thing for her. Well, no, no, no, they do, because they do concerts. If somebody's just coming through with a concert, they are a venue, right? You'll see the Arctic monkeys or something like that. The 1975 is playing there. Arctic monkeys seem a little stodgy for the Cosmopolitan. But I feel like the cure is like, like, you know, oh, man, I got the cure. Although Brian Adams is playing there. So maybe there's Brian Adams, really. Yeah. Brian Adams or Brian Adams? Because I believe Brian Adams passed away. Everything I do, I do for you. Yeah. Wow. Brian and Brian Brushwood and I entertained ourselves to no end because as we were driving to one of the VR shoots, one of us started remarking that gas was a dollar and 69, just like singing, like, as if Brian Adams had sold out to like tech. All right, he's not dead. I was wrong about that. Brian Adams, no. No. Oh my god. Playing the Cosmopolitan. All right. Well, I'm going to go away. It was a dollar and 69. Shall we begin our technology show? Thanks to OPEC regulations. All right, sorry. Go ahead. Here we go. This is your captain speaking. I'd like to take a moment to remind you that this show is brought to you by listeners like you who give value for value. To show your support, go to dailytechnewshow.com slash support. We know you have a choice when it comes to getting your tech news. And on behalf of the crew, I thank you for choosing the Daily Tech News Show. This is the Daily Tech News for January 21st, 2016. I'm Tom Mair. Joining me today, Justin Robert Young, DTS contributor and independent podcaster. No man's property. Sure, Tom. Welcome everybody to the Daily Tech News Show. I wasn't sure. I wasn't sure where to go. Like you're independent. I was trying to go riff off independent. I feel like now it's really weird because like independent means something different for me than it does everybody else because if I'm on this show, I'm not independent. I am aligned on team DTS. Sure. Sure. Though I am. I am here. I'm part of that goes for me too. Yeah. Wow. We're all it's all tribal. I mean like, yeah. I mean, the mid totally makes you think me. Meanwhile, we have tech headlines to get to. We're going to talk about whether we really want messaging apps to replace our other app platforms. But let's start with those headlines. Facebook announced Facebook Sports Stadium. They announced it Wednesday. It's a place where you can follow major sporting events. Section will feature stats, videos and posts from other people on Facebook. One tab has things your friends are saying about that big sports event and the other tab has comments from the experts unless your friends with the experts in there in both tabs posts will show up in reverse chronological order Twitter style. Section is available for US iPhone users now in advance of the NFL championships this weekend. Android users will get it in a matter of weeks. No word about the Super Bowl. Initially, what I thought when I saw this is. Well, this is another one of those Facebook things that I'm sure an engineer whip together and they figure they're going to throw it out there and either it will catch traction or it won't. But if Facebook were trying to get more into at least on event based up they understand now that they're never going to be Twitter in terms of the live pulse of the world kind of thing that Twitter is so good at. But if they can define little events where you can just get a more up to date experience on Facebook as opposed to using their awesome algorithm for how the rest of the world works. I think sports would be a good place to start you know when they start you know when they end you want relevant live up to date information. I still think it has a very slim chance of success because when I think of live up to date sports scores I don't think of Facebook but it is not a bad testing ground. Yeah, and I'm sure Facebook is standing around as it does because it is a person saying to itself why is everybody going to Twitter to watch live sports. Why does Twitter have these moments. Why is Twitter tagged in with Nielsen for social analytics. We have all the people over here. Nobody uses Twitter and and so this is this is a logical outcome of those those thoughts. We talked about earlier this week that Facebook is partnering up with Nielsen on those social analytics. So that will be combined in and doing something like sports seems like a logical place to start especially around Super Bowl time in the US when you get a lot of people interested in this sort of thing to say oh here follow along with your friends. You're already made friends with them. You don't have to go to Twitter and build some list or seek out things or click on moments. It's just going to be right there in the tab again. I unlike you a jury is out. You are out on whether this is actually going to to catch on with people people will make the effort to go there and use it. Also the graveyard of apps and services that have aggregated fan content for sporting events especially in terms of live relevance is long. You know everything that started out doing something like that has always wound up just you know becoming some other blog platform or something like that like the one thing I would say Facebook has an advantage is people do talk about sports on Facebook with each other. So at least they've already got that hurdle crossed. It's just whether they can get them into this special area and it makes you wonder whether or not they would be better off taking off sports blogs and not necessarily like the ESPN live ticker. Apple will open an iOS app development center in Naples Italy in order to give devs training and mentorship. Apple said it plans to expand the program to other countries in the future and I believe the devs code apps. Okay, I'll stop you on the reference. I I think this is great. The one thing I could not nail down is whether Apple has a developer development center in Mountain View or I'm sorry Mountain View in Cupertino. Yeah, I I know they do events and they do a lot of developer outreach but it does all the press releases say Apple opens their first development center in Europe and that's like vague grammar. Is it the first development center and it's opening in Europe or it's the first development center to open in Europe and they don't make any mention of other development center. So I if anybody knows for sure if there's another dev center here in the United States, let me know. But even even if there is something like that it's a it's an interesting play for Apple to spend some money put some some building space devoted to getting people to make apps because they're they're making a lot of money off of people making money on apps so it only helps them to encourage that if they don't have one in Cupertino it would not shock me because after all Tom you don't need a mission in Vatican City. Yeah, the Shane company is in Cupertino and Walnut Creek. They're in the diamond business though Dropbox released it's Windows 10 app which will be available in the next few days on the Windows 10 app store Dropbox launch day Windows 8 app back in January 2013 if you're like wait a minute don't they already have an app and yes they have a desktop app but we're talking about one for the touchscreen interface Dropbox Dropbox launched that app in 2013 the new version adds the ability to drag and drop files from Windows File Explorer use quick search except folder shares from a notification work with Windows Hello and more and if you're excited like oh you mean I can do that on my phone not quite yet but a version for Windows 10 on mobile is coming soon. Dropbox is a really interesting company because I kind of feel like their time to explode has kind of like come and gone they will always be able to grow as far as the need for this enterprise or consumer enterprise hybrid kind of customer will take them but I kind of hope that they would be a little bit more consumer facing with other services that involve just cloud storage by now. I'm actually kind of glad they haven't as a consumer and I'm not contesting your point as a business where maybe they should be diversifying more on that space but I really what I like about Dropbox is it works like file folders except it's in the cloud and I you know I use other things I don't necessarily trust their security you know so I will I will use other things for that but I do love I do love the simplicity of it and I'm glad they haven't added too many whistles and bells that said when I made that little video from Snapchats of how I prepare for DTS and threw it in the treasure chest and then shared that link on the Patreon. I got a lot of people commenting right on the Dropbox file and that was kind of cool. I liked that listen certainly puts you on the pathway to more success. Yesterday we told you of the post by security researchers at perception point about a flaw in the Linux kernel that affected an estimated 66% of Android phones. Google says Android 4.4 versions and earlier do not have the affected code introduced in Linux kernel 3.8. That said Google released a patch with all of Google's up-to-date security fixes so you should be alright. Could I felt uncharacteristically defensive of Google to say it's not 66% and they they listed some security precautions that the later versions of Android have that can mitigate this and the thing is perception point acknowledged those security precautions and maybe they did overestimate just but just fix it just patch it. That's all we want to know. We want to know. Don't worry folks. Here's the patch. Yeah, I mean who knows you often deal with very fragile egos when you get into reputation points and everything and oftentimes Google defending the Android platform is not just them saying this is our Android platform. They got manufacturers to consider and stuff like that that they are vigorously saying this is not let's clearly define who's fault this is. Yeah, Google's ad business released its annual report on its ability to block ads that carry malware or are deceptive or disrupt the user experience by covering your entire screen that sort of thing. Google says it blocked 780 million ads in 2015 up from 524 million in the year before it's suspended 10,000 sites from its ad program and 18,000 accounts belonging to counterfeiters Google also blocked 7,000 phishing sites from using ads malware and unwanted software that they caught trying to be delivered their ads was down 99% and Google stopped showing ads on more than 25,000 mobile apps for violations of its ad policies company rejected more than 1.4 million applications from apps and sites. So the you know, it's a lot of numbers numbers numbers here, but it's Google is trying to show. Hey, if if you see malware sneak through in an ad sometimes it may not be us, but don't think we're not out there trying to shut this down because like spam before it, there is a large bulk number of attempts to sneak into the ad system and deliver bad stuff. So what's curious to me is not that these number are the these numbers are this high because I would suspect that Google with being the biggest ad seller in the world would deal with just gigantic amounts of fraud attempts since very cheap repeatable ads are kind of their business. What is interesting to me is that this is a story, you know, they just put it out on their blog. I don't know how long they've done it, but it's great PR for them because the big insidious elements when people think about Google's reputation if there is one in terms of public perception is that Google will sell you with Google needs to sell ads whether or not you like them and whether or not it is good for you because that's how that's Google's you know, goose that laid the golden egg. So the idea that, you know, they are putting out all these big gaudy numbers that show restraint and security as the big keywords to anything are great for the reputation. Yeah, and I think the other reason it's getting pick up is it makes a good scare story, right? To be like, look at all the malware that's out there. So a lot of blogs are going to pick it up for the headline there, but I do think it's a significant increase, especially with malware being down 99%. That is a that has been a horrible vector. And one of the reasons people turn on ad blockers is the fact that you can get malware and if Google is cracking down that much, it almost eliminates that, at least from Google ads as a problem and also the rise of mobile. They didn't really acknowledge mobile in their report last year and now they are. And so it just shows what is probably not surprising to most people that, you know, the folks who do nefarious things are really starting to target mobile more now than ever. I mean, you can only imagine that these numbers will get exponentially larger as we forward business from our booming. GM launched a car sharing service today called Maven GM President Dan and Dan Amon said that the service will cost as low as $6 an hour. Maven will include a car sharing trial in Ann Arbor, Michigan, the Let's Drive service in New York City, which is expanding to Chicago and car unity peer to peer service in Germany and GM campus programs in the US, Europe and China. Thanks to Philip Shane for submitting this story on the subreddit. Tom, do you think that Maven will be a major key for GM's solution? It's a little bit less than it appears. Essentially, they're starting a test service in Ann Arbor and then they're taking a service they acquired called Let's Drive, which was already going to expand to Chicago and they're lumping it in. They're taking another service they purchased in Germany. They're lumping that in and it'll be interesting to see if they try to really make these rebrand as Maven and fit the model. But the Ann Arbor one is the interesting one. That's the one where you'll be able to use WhatsApp to talk to customer service. You'll be able to connect right through OnStar to have your preferences follow you around no matter what car you've rented from them. And it's basically GM's zip cars. So in a way it's kind of behind the times. But I think GM can feel some pressure to show that they're doing tech stuff. Two things that are very interesting about this. Number one, you're right. This story isn't gigantic in and of itself. It is interesting as a larger trend considering how much time, money and effort they have poured into what we can broadly define as the future of how people will relate to automobiles with their investment and Lyft and other actions. But also this specific, I mean, zip car and even the more soft like use an app, pick up a car. Don't have to subscribe. Maybe have a very cheap subscription and not anything that's too invasive. That's something that could very much use some of the gigantic regulatory influence that GM can provide that they are a really big fish because you know a lot of cities including Columbus, Austin have things like cars to go. Those little tiny cars that you can just rent for very cheap. If you just want to go one way, you don't have to bring it back. You can just leave it on the street, you know, as long as it's in a certain defined zone. We don't have that in here. The tech bastion of San Francisco or the Bay Area. So the reason why is because regulatory problems GM get into that business could be very interesting. And the underlying, you know, financial reason. If you've already been saying this out loud to your podcasting device, is GM wants to have services like this so they can have cars that they make in them making money. Like it's all about fleets in the end. They don't want you to encrypt and Melchizedex74 wanted us to mention that California assembly member Jim Cooper introduced a bill Wednesday that would require a smartphone that is manufactured on or after January 1st, 2017 and sold in California to be capable of being decrypted and unlocked by its manufacturer or its operating system provider. Similar bill was reintroduced in New York State earlier this month. So the states are now getting in on the let's have a backdoor to encryption discussion. Cooper told ours, Technica, we're going after human traffickers and people who are doing bad and evil things, human trafficking, Trump's privacy, no ifs, ands or buts about it. This has already become kind of a major political issue. And I think we are those of those of us and I think that there are many who listen to this show and specifically those who have paid attention to this argument for a very, very, very long time need to do their best to educate and get the word out that strong privacy does not shield human traffickers any more than strong window tint shields human traffickers. You know, I think it was the EFF that said it's not privacy. It's security. Yeah, you are weakening the security of people to be able to protect their sensitive information when you do this. It's not. I mean, privacy is part of that, but that's not the main issue. It is very, very, very, very disheartening to see the stark political language that often becomes diametrically opposed. There's this and there's this and I am on this side of this argument. So now you can draw your allegiance one way or another on something that I think many of us feel very, very, very passionately about that strong security and is just unessential to a more interconnected world. Yeah, I mean, of course we want to catch bad guys, but that doesn't mean we make everyone give a copy of their key to the police. It doesn't mean that all combination locks are known by the government so that they can get into every safe if they need to. It's just it's it's it's long. It's going to be a long and arduous debate. I have a feeling. Steve cap 839 wanted us to note that the Wall Street Journal reported Thursday that on high owners of Foxconn are offering 652 billion yen to acquire sharp Reuters says the state backed fund Innovation Network Corporation of Japan is still the frontrunner to bail out sharp. The idea there would be to eventually merge sharp with state owned Japan display. Tom, who do you think will ultimately be able to say we the best at acquiring sharp? Yeah, I what's going on here is the government really doesn't want sharp to be sold to non Japanese interests. Yeah, and Han High is doing a lot there. They're like almost doubling what the estimated bid of the investment fund would be which is somewhere around 300 billion yen. So Han High saying 652 billion yen is huge. They're also saying they would leave all the executives in place. And those executives are all Japanese. They're trying to assuage those national lipstick interests here. But I think what's going to happen is that the government of Japan is only going to bless up a union of a Japanese backed fund that's owned by the state because the LCD market the LCD panel market that's sharp is in is more abundant. And so merging it with Japan display at least takes two failing enterprises and makes them into one failing enterprise and hopefully they can stabilize it. I don't know that it's the right way to go forward for sharp. But I bet that's what happens. I yeah, I mean, although a stapling one bad company to another bad company so very rarely makes a good company. Yeah. IBM confirmed the report. We heard yesterday that it has in fact bought live streaming service you stream TechCrunch reports that IBM will create a new cloud streaming video unit combining you stream clear leap clever safe and a sparrow. So video storage video streaming all the aspects of video in one unit. Braxton Jarrett of clear leap will head the new unit. Jarrett told TechCrunch that you stream was the final piece IBM needed for its plan to create a full service enterprise level video cloud unit. So you stream made an exit. Justin and its exit was to be IBM's enterprise video streamer. I do need to disclose that my wife works for Twitch. So there is there is a a disclaimer that we need to make here. You stream of course formerly a competitor in that same space but what Twitch formerly Justin TV was able to do was clarify its vision as a video game streaming site and build a culture around there. You stream selling to IBM seems to make it very very clear that the era of just totally multi-purpose live streaming is is kind of dead and you really need to be partnered with a deep pocketed company because if you think you can make it in independent with this you're you're lying Tom order the possibilities of success for some of these companies. Yeah so the path to more success for you stream was to get an enterprise level situation. They didn't have the expertise in video management video storage or large file transfers that the other companies in this unit have but now they do and I'm not saying they weren't good at those things but their expertise was in the streaming and so that's what they bring to the party and they know how to party right now at IBM and what I'm wondering is if this will end up becoming a situation where IBM's platform could allow a startup to leverage that service to create some kind of new streaming service that does provide the thing that we all wished stick am you stream just in TV had had allowed and I think twitches is experimenting with loosening those bonds a little as well as shown by their you know their creative section now that is not just gaming but it's for artists and stuff like that. Are there any other independent players in this live streaming game? YouTube you know what we're on right now yes, although I don't know if we would I mean I would say my wife works for YouTube but non acquired companies that are trying I don't know that they're and I may be missing some there may be some very small ones out there live stream so live stream is owned by is that right? That may not be right we'll have to but it was also live stream was not something where it like you could just turn on your computer and live stream as easily as you stream you stream and twitch were the very much the you know let's put it in the hands of the people now it's become periscope and mere cat right that that is the new space for that kind of live streaming you do it from your from your mobile device and and really mere cat's the only one that's independent at this point and I would suspect that if you ask them would target everyone who works there would have their hands go up and they'd stay there yeah they'd they'd get a lot of fan love for sure that's it for our story submit yours let us know what you want us to talk about daily tech news show dot reddit dot com definitely helps to put the stories together every day if you want to see an example of me taking the stories from the subreddit and affecting the lineup you can watch the video at the daily tech news show YouTube 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of folks around the world are looking at that and saying hey maybe we can get on on this business to business game and just have you type into your chat app I want to buy two tickets to the force awakens tonight at 7 p.m. and make it that easy it has to do with natural language processing and machine learning it has to do with convenience and monetization two examples of this for instance what's app just announced as we talked about on the show that they're switching their monetization from charging you 99 cents a year to charging people to run a communications platform with you like this and we're also seeing Facebook trying to experiment with can we use human operators who answer some questions to teach the machines to be able to answer your questions better and just I think that's that's where the nub of this question lies is first of all can AI machine learning get good enough at natural language processing to make this economical and then if it does is that how we want to do all this stuff yes I think the answer to both is is is yes now I want to qualify it a little bit because the first part of in the history of the internet the answer to would you like more options to do something is undefeated we have always said yes we would like more options even it was not necessarily keep using them but we want them yeah those options go unused eventually even if they are superseded by better versions of it the answer to everything is always yes in terms of do you want new ways to interact with stuff I am very bullish on the idea of and this might be where Google can kind of take the inside track with some of this natural language processing especially when you're interacting with other people that I think we talked about this and Veronica Belmont our own cohort on this a daily tech news show team predicted in her 2016 predictions episode that software bots would inhabit every platform and piece of software now I don't think universal in in habitation is something that will probably happen this year however the idea that you could that there would be a a API that Google would offer that you could insert their chat bot into many of the messaging platforms that you use and that could then schedule a time for you to meet because it has access to your schedules that could find the restaurant around you it could automatically so basically just take out that extra step of yet you want to get together cool or apps of our bots have talked to each other they are offering these three things without you saying when when is good and then it offers you the places where it would be cool to meet or places where you've gone in the past those are just smart ways that chat bots can very much take over you know what would otherwise be click out of that messaging app click into a new app search for this search my schedule text you in crude finger typing when I'm good when you're good if not go to another site like doodle or something to really get nerdy about it and and and swash together when is best to get coffee I think that this is very very very big however it will not live in a separate app it's got to be where you normally are which is why we chat absolutely took off it was a dominant messaging platform that then allowed you to do a bunch of other stuff there's a long distance though between the a much simpler example than what you just gave which is I need to take an Uber to Wilshire and 3rd yeah and having the machine know okay I know that Tom is at his house I know the address of his house I know how to get in touch with Uber I know how to book that and I know that what I should say is you know the estimated fair is five to eight dollars is that okay and when he says yes I book it like I don't know that it can do that reliably right now maybe it can maybe but I don't I'm not certain and if I'm uncertain or even if it doesn't always work if it's like well works 90% of the time I'm going to launch the Uber app and I'm going to use that because I know that works and I know when it fails how to deal with it and the other the other side of it is my old man reluctance to say look this isn't going to work until it does and it does the way where I never get frustrated and have to pick up the phone because I'm the kind of person who if I need to fix something if I can't fix it myself it's usually a pretty weird situation and I have to call somebody it's not something if I if I can look it up online and fix it myself I will look at your fact please stop telling me on the whole music that I should look at your website because I did and that's why I'm calling you and I feel like these chatbots are not going to be as good as picking up the phone and explaining it to somebody. Yeah, I mean I think in terms of I agree with you that in terms of customer service we have always been very reluctant you know companies have always wanted to fire their call centers and have always wanted for you to deal with it in some sort of automated fashion and it has been a absolute disaster to personal reputations here's the one thing I'll say though. I have when I was a business traveler. I found the United app to be tremendously robust and able to solve 99% of the problems that I would have with United that look I think you need to disclose that you are a one K so one K passenger right so but I mean and so yes that afforded but you know I'll actually back you up and I have had horrible experiences with United but their app has improved and it has become a way to actually solve things that I used to have to get on the phone to so I'll give you that that's true. Yeah, yeah, I know so forever and listen take it the other way that United is so spotty and terrible that you very often have to use the app to solve things. Yeah, but it is a very robust it's a it's a fast for what it needs to do and the kind of information that it pulls down solution and it replaced a lot of other third party apps that I used to have for flight tracking and stuff like that if I could just have a natural language I would be willing to learn key commands I'd be willing to learn flight time colon right you know flights from SFO to a US and then it would just give me all those flights that are going to it can do that that that's the easy part what they're trying to do is be able to handle anything you throw at it so you don't because the masses won't learn that stuff and I think Ian Ian sums it up well he's like talking to humans. Tom's missing the point. What I'm saying is I don't think the bots are yet good enough to replace the unfortunate need for me to have to go and talk to somebody in person. Yeah, what I would like ideally is to be able to just go into the chat bot and say I need this and have them solve it I'm it's a it's a matter of when I guess I guess the what has always succeeded is less steps whenever we're looking at hey do you want this it'll take you less steps we have always said yes now whether or not it works that will be that that'll that'll that'll be a different thing but you know even it was just some soft a soft way where it's like you know where again I mean like I really keep coming back to this this you know me and you what we're getting around the time for FSL right where we got to start planning out our our our podcast in our in slack in our slack if there was just a bot that we could say like hey when do you want to do this and it just maybe that maybe just the text turns red or something right and you have the option to click on it and you have the option not to depending on it I feel like that would be a soft enough way that I would be clicking on it more often than not if it could then help me solve that problem and yes I think it's good enough that we are now at a point where a soft a soft offering of help for these kind of solutions because again I think what we're mean you are differing is that you are looking at I have a problem help me solve a computer and what I think the strength of this is predicting the problems when it is clear in language but we're not saying necessarily hey a computer bring updates where Tom and I are what you want you want what these companies are promising what go butler operator magic etc are promising is what do you need you just say it you don't need to think about it you don't need to tell us what order the operations will go in and and most of them have to hire people which is expensive so then it's a matter of like how fast can they get the machine learning to work and what they're doing is they're feeding in the responses of the human operators to the machine hoping that the machine can then learn from those operations how to properly respond and increase the accuracy of those responses to where it's indistinguishable from the human responses not not in a touring test kind of way but it but it in a in an effective kind of way and that brings me to our sidebar which is Andy heard is somebody who has fed every script from the TV show friends into Google's open source TensorFlow machine learning software and it has begun to learn how to write a friend's script now granted it's not quite perfect at it but it's both impressive and shows how far we have to go so it can do seen Monica and Rachel's they're running outside Monica I'm ran off Rachel I know Rachel to Monica wow you still have to get married I duck to work Monica hey Ross come here they kiss there we go the one where Google writes a friend's script yeah and he's going to keep working on this and getting the machine here's the thing is it's like you feed the scripts you have it learn you tell it what it did wrong you learn some more you show him more scripts it it eventually gets better and better at it and that's going back to the bots what they hope the bots will do yeah and who knows someday we may have infinite friends episodes because of this then math plan again will be unemployed what now you'll Jenny you'll need the math Flanagan's of the world to provide the template in the first place so that it'll just mean less work sure same pay yeah I am I am suspicious was it was the best of times it was the blurst of times. Let's get to our pick of the day from Anders who would like to suggest cyanogen mod he says my old Samsung Galaxy S3 had become useless the OS was getting old phone was painfully slow after I recently discovered cyanogen mod 13 based on marshmallow was available for the Galaxy S3 the phone has new life also there's no waiting for Samsung or the phone company to push out a new update there is a new build almost every night of course you don't have to install all of those but it's nice to know they're there thank you Anders for for it's a good pick we talk about cyanogen mod and cyanogen OS from time to time but I think a lot of people may may not have put together like oh great I could revive an old phone with that. Yeah no that is that is amazing and really some of the the rad flexibility of Android is is just that idea that you can fork something off and just make a different better operating system send your pics to us folks feedback at dailytechnewshow.com you can find more pics at dailytechnewshow.com slash pics a few emails here Tyler from snowy and cold Manitoba is finishing up a four year degree in business and we're talking about education yesterday with Luria Petrucci and says I think a big reason community colleges and universities will continue to operate in physical space is the networking between students and instructors now some of this is possible through chat rooms and Skype hangout systems having done both online and in class classes. He says the interaction is much more involved in person. I don't agree. I mean I think it's it's he's right that it is better in person but I don't think that that will be enough of a differentiator to like stem the tide of online learning. Yeah, I think what I think what are where I would agree with him is it won't get rid of the need for physical institutions and he makes a point later in his email about equipment to sometimes you need to have hands on and you can't afford the equipment. So there will always be a need for some of these but I think a lot of learning can move to the online and and I do think that it is something that will be more and more antiquated the idea that we need to it is it is a very almost medieval concept right that we need to leave our village and move to the Citadel for which take your vows elders right now I think that that's that's and that's something that future generations will not cling to or think of as similarly. And I I think virtual reality you know again thinking a little longer term here takes away some of the disadvantages of online learning if you can appear to be in the same place with someone again it doesn't wholly replace it but it gets us closer and closer. Our current geek futurist Joe the probably two morbid pilot you'll see in a second why was listening to our feedback from pilot Harry and engineer Paul and Joe says I think they both may have missed an angle here there's a lot of human decision making for airplanes and airplanes aren't built like cars but the following will probably ring home better with Harry than Paul just because every book Harry and I have started ever read have started with the phrase safety is number one they're both pilots we have a safety problem on the road from poor judgment of drivers Joe says there are 30,000 plus deaths a year and 17,000 alone from drunk drivers the last time I looked at the federal stats at the 30,000 deaths on the highways alone in the US says there is a little to no continual education for drivers no situational studies outlining decision making and even if all that was done you still have a large number of clowns who drive around drunk or buzzed as impaired drivers I'm willing to submit that if we stuck everyone in an autonomous car in five years with current trends those numbers would be shockingly lower by an order of magnitude however unlikely that situation is I think Harry is right you'd still have hundreds of accidents a year resulting in death which is less than 30,000 and if people are stupid enough to complain about it fine added to the list of stupid things people complain about seriously the decisions people make out on the road make me want 709 ride that's an airline term for we're not just going to fire you we're going to take all your licenses away every one of us is like that I suck at driving most people do and the only thing that saves us from being killed in droves are federally mandated safety standards on the vehicles he says I'm tired I think at this point we've all got friends or family who are dead or forever injured from a vehicular accident Google take the wheel otherwise make the smart cars educate the drivers while they are driving and it's important enough for you to spend if it's important enough for you to speed or cross four lanes of traffic at once you should get a high energy shock from the car that gets progressively worse each time with a rolling intensity of six to eight hours don't like it turn on the autopilot if it senses you're driving drunk a giant hand should come out of the dash holding a ball bag of soap and beat you until you cry out Joe and he goes on from there but basically he's very he's very done with the idea that you know we're we're somehow better drivers because as he points out it's it's a very dangerous game getting out on the road. I don't know why this Joe pilot supposedly which I think is very clearly Brian brushwood you know hide his name if if if Joe had not written before and showed impressive knowledge of avionics that I can guess that Brian doesn't have. I'm kidding although this is certainly very much the same argument that Brian very much makes it down to the phrase order of magnitude. You know it is I think I think he's right you know and again you know to dovetail into a story we had earlier about about security there is just a fear of technology that there is a technophobic element to a lot of these discussions that I think especially in the realm of government where we're dealing with regulations and you've got a bunch of politicians and city officials that are trying to keep their phony baloney jobs and don't want to be the you know Joe car killer bureaucrat you know because he okayed driverless cars and somebody's child died that these things get lost but I agree you know listen there's there's a lot of lives to be saved by automating this process more and more and more and growing up in a commuter culture like Florida where driving is is a necessity and and public transportation does not exist on any kind of functional way that you can really really rely on it. You know drunk driving is drunk driving alone is enough of an issue that you know Uber has solved a lot of it for for people with a little bit of money in their pocket. Yeah the idea of a driverless car is so attractive and before we wrap up I just want to say I got a couple of really nice and sincere notes one from a guy who works at Microsoft another from someone involved with Cisco saying that hey you know what I know you guys were a little dismissive and and cynical about Microsoft donating money and I think me particularly was like you know these corporations don't do it always out of the goodness of their heart they they do it because it's good press and tax deduction and all of this and they're like that may be true but especially the person who called in from Microsoft said you know what it's really sincerely touching how much we do that doesn't get covered by the press and how how I feel like you know it brings people together and we really do good things for the community and when he said that to me I realized you know that's true of Google to I see that happened with my wife and I don't think about it because it's it's a personal thing but a lot of companies do do a lot of good and maybe the impulse for it at the beginning is because it's going to be good bottom line for the shareholders I can't imagine it be allowed otherwise but that doesn't mean that the people involved in doing the good things that their companies enable them to do don't mean it and don't want to make the world a better place so thank you Eric for for sending that message to me I think it's a good point yeah you know as a presidential candidate once said surely on his way to the White House corporations are people my friend and they are made up of people that very often have big hearts and very often like to do good things for their environments or the causes that they are passionate about and you know as easy as it is for as we did earlier when we're thinking about Facebook is this autonomous singularly minded corporation that's thinking you know as its strategy goes forward it's very easy for us to think of Microsoft or Google or Apple as these very like single-minded every decision that they make is calculated and part of a larger plan when very often that the reality is that somebody just wanted to do a thing and and you know either gets press or doesn't yeah what is not controversial is the corporations are made of people yeah they are made up of people most corporations a few paper corporations in the Caribbean that probably don't have any people hey you know what my limited liability corporation is made up of one person that political quote reminds me of this awesome game called the contender have you played it oh my lord Tom not only have I I'm not just a player I'm also a creator so here's the deal the contender if you bought the game you've heard me talk about it right here on the show we had a Kickstarter exclusive called the politically incorrect expansion that has all the cars that we cut from the game to make it family friendly there are curse words in this deck ladies and gentlemen I just want to warn you however 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diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this program you more success I wonder how many college references we got it I don't know that was a good back and forth it was it was elegant to like it was the best I love that Jay Callan I was trying to I couldn't figure out a way to work in chef D chef D yeah it's tough one yeah you'd have to pun you have to pun it be my guess you know like like when I say about that that Twitter post you're like yeah that was a little chef D for you to know they don't want us to eat so what are we going to do we're going to eat more we have some good titles yes what do we got we've got the Internet of bots the one about machine learning which is probably my favorite Watson can you stream me and of course botline bling because I know when you botline bling oh and my word my way for twitch so excited I love it like you just jumped right to that too you're like so excited I don't know man Justin you pick can't decide I like it because I know when that botline bling here to take me to the appointment on time with Justin that we worked out by the bot I really I don't know if this came through clear enough I need people to schedule for me I think it did I think it did especially when you said FSL oh crap I'm just begging like I'm just hoping some Google engineer that's working on this just even says you know lift lift can hear me and it just added $50 to my account wait why I don't know it's like it heard me talking about uber it's like hey hey we just added $50 to your account for $5 off each of your next 10 rides what desperate to get me to use you you meanwhile next door calm is transfixing today because there's a horrible story about apparently someone in a wheelchair beating a puppy that may or may not be actually true and so it's turned into like the wrath of the neighborhood I'm not gonna gender it puppy savers versus the people who think the first person is lying it's it's like general hospital and yet at the center of it is like maybe somebody was beating a put I mean it's crazy I was just like reading it like that's next door on today it's like too disturbing to read like it's turned to my my next order comm is just turning into like a slack fight of epic proportion I'm sad that our next doors are not coming at the same time I know mine came earlier and I forgotten to lead it here but there isn't much there regarding looking for a landscape contractor and looking for a one or two bedroom for rent yeah no mine was so you're stuck at all the next door drama it really is some serious drama let me see if I can find it and just see if there are any others on there this is what we do just and we just read next door headlines yeah so this is my neighborhood male thief bike tracker exotic animals should not be party props trusted cleaning lady puppy beating oh I know and there here's a great plumber there you go like that's a weird neighborhood can I get that plumbers yeah hold on I don't trust it when somebody just says like here's a great yeah I probably wouldn't either but I need a dog sitter though oh better make sure I'm not a puppy beater now I trust nothing and that's because we're going to see J. Lowe oh no no no we we've settled it during did we talk about yeah no I mean my surprise was that the cosmopolitan has gotten a reputation in Vegas for not having residency and being like the place where you see the hip band that's touring right because they have a very young clientele right a clientele so young that they would they would only know J. Lowe as the mom in that movie where the she starts having sex with the kid next to true they would know it from her being the mama bear guest judge on American Idol or they would know her as the lady who sang with Jason Derulo maybe that yeah but I mean at this point she just moved into she's she's not Jenny on the block or here's the thing here's the thing do you have to remain just Jenny on the block to maintain your power in this world or can you be something else no my point is like I think she's perfect for Vegas and she's perfect for planet Hollywood and I'm sure it is a great show and she is great and she has maintained a career far beyond a thing what other people would have thought of her and and and credit to J. Lowe I have nothing against J. Lowe it was only a surprise that should be at the Cosmopolitan that was my only my own just at the Cosmopolitan is very meticulously tried to cultivate a reputation as like the bleeding edge of him so and J. Lowe would not seem to fit that this this is not me arguing this is not me disputing anything and by the way J. Lowe in residency specifically as a concert sure but J. Lowe in residency no it's I think that makes sense that that would be like I don't know it's it's it's a demographic thing right and I think yes and also the concept of residency still has kind of a Celine Dion now you know like it's being that a performer does well they don't want to tour anymore Celine Dion I think of Wayne Newton it's like yeah it's it's sorry didn't mean to interrupt no no no you're no no it's it's oh sorry I like that you pulled us back to the 70s that's all no no because Celine Dion was one of the first people that like she first played Vegas what like maybe five years beyond my heart will go on right where she was like absolutely gigantic she was one of the first people to go to Vegas kind of before she was in the life cycle of a career supposed to go to Vegas yeah because she wanted a stable thing down a lot because it used to be way new where it's like all right if you go to Vegas you play Vegas forever right either you're going to live there forever or you are going to be doing a residency because you can't put up a tour anymore like it was like a last resort and Celine Dion was like no you want to know what I'll do it for bigger money and just do it for half the year and then tour for half the year and just make that kind of my home base and now and you're seeing that more and more as nostalgia has kind of taken over pop culture me look at Billy Joel Billy Joel's playing MSG like it's Vegas every month that's awesome well that's because he can't leave the junction so how is Brian Adams playing at the Cosmopolitan Brian Adams is at the Cosmopolitan because a putting on a show in Vegas is still very expensive so even if you're trying to be on the bleeding edge of hip if you're just booking regular shows you know you get you kind of got to take whatever name you can to keep you know keep things moving and you know hip people can go see Brian Adams ironically you know yeah it's like the summer is 69 yeah we're all wearing trendy things and then we're going to go we're going to be I know what it is it's norm core Brian Adams is the musical icon of norm core absolutely yeah because I mean I wouldn't be shocking to see them do like a yacht rock you know like any money or something like sure like oh my god we went to the we stayed in the Cosmopolitan and then guess what we got yeah free any money it was we left halfway through yeah I I went to see heart in 1989 for the same reason I mean does does he have to be seen as just a significantly ironic you know pop icon or can people actually enjoy because the reason I say that is Roger we're not saying that people don't enjoy Brian Adams and wouldn't support his music we're saying that the going towards the demo that doesn't typically like Brian Adams is the weird thing well that's the reason I bring it up because back in the mid 90s Tony Bennett had a mild resurgence yeah but do you think Brian Adams is having a mild resurgence all on Tony Bennett right now I don't know Tony Bennett Tony Bennett just released it up with Lady Gaga Tony Bennett's back again he'll never die he will be screwing to all of our funerals yes I can agree with you there like Tony Bennett like Tony Bennett looks Tony Bennett looks the exact same in today as he did the day I was born in 1983 damn you know what I was doing in 1983 were you by that waterfall I was no I was a few years before that but I was jamming out to my cassette tape of Reckless by Brian Adams oh my gosh it was a dollar and 69 oh yeah it was a hot thing when he came out I remember when his album got released like Tower Records was like filled to the gills every song was a hit well that's how they used to do it back then yeah and then he released the B sides which is like yeah but you know it has a guy's name attached to it I used to really I used to listen to the B sides of 45s because I thought it was cooler to know those songs did you guys cover the the news core Twitter sales stuff what the rumors yeah but I already did something break the rumors the rumors now I threw that in the slack as a possible discussion topic yeah I didn't know if it didn't make the headlines yeah um kind of a like here's here's there a bit of a sad tale to be told about Twitter is not yet no here's here's here's here's my opinion on that kind of story yeah the there's one of those every day where somebody goes hey wouldn't it be interesting sometimes there's somebody at Fox who's like you know what we should do is buy Twitter and then a report and then it gets to a reporter who's like so-and-so says they're gonna buy Twitter my way of sorting the wheat from the chaff there is basically to look at Feedly and see who's reporting it and it's very significant who's not reporting that story and you could say well Wall Street Journal is owned by News Corp so maybe that's maybe that's why but it's not it's owned by the other part of the media and we'll wait no it is owned by News Corp anyway you're not seeing recode on it you're not seeing the Verge on it much you're not I'm not seeing it in a lot of the places like Reuters Bloomberg where I would normally see it floating up with people going hey no I think that's probably real so I'm guessing it's either not for real or just another example of like well yes somebody's saying something but that doesn't mean it's happening but I guess more to where I'm going is is the fact that Twitter that somebody wants to buy or that that Twitter is now having those sale rumors the way yahoo yeah yeah like is is that kind of a set I mean you know what that's that's a fair point is like hey even if there's nothing to these the fact that people are using them to fluff up their blog post numbers is significant because it means enough people think it could be a thing that there's something there's a perception that Twitter is weak and might need to sell yeah because if it's like somebody's gonna buy Google right Apple should buy Google is only the realm of like a John C. Dvorak column yeah right like nobody like like you know thinks that that is even plausible or what happened for a million different reasons until John makes it a very reasonable case what he was the reason why he does he's good at that great columnist right but he has he has those flaming hot eggs they're meant to be enjoyed they're not necessarily meant to be like kindling for for real rumors this is a real I mean like for whoever is reporting it or is reporting it it's feasible it makes sense you almost think that like hey you want to know what internally Twitter's realized that without help they're not just going to be Facebook by themselves and that no matter how much they change no matter how much they try to push us into the events tab or whatever they're you know they're just not gonna do it and that I think is something that is is I mean that that might be like the sign of our more evolved time like that that just almost kind of feels like like alright we've ended this part of the internet that chapter is closed I think I think that's why it's attractive as a rumor is because you're like but if it were true think of all the things it would mean I don't ever I don't see just personally now not talking about my evaluation of the story at all I don't see Jack Dorsey thinking that's a good idea mm-hmm but if it is true right we could I'm just saying the chapter of the internet I'm but I mean but I mean if Apple buys Netflix I know I mean because listen because this is my my my this is the disease of the media and there's a narrative because we could we could call this it begins this chapter the internet begins when news corp buys my space and ends when news corp by yeah no it makes a beautiful story yeah I did I could totally see the attraction there I I mean like you got a figure for Dorsey he didn't become CEO so he could sell the company in five seconds right I'm pretty sure like that dude's got enough of an ego that he's at SoulCycle right now say hell no I like that he listens to us while he's at SoulCycle yeah it's his own internal monologue well he you know he just bought his site glass coffee on Square and so what else is he gonna do Square would be a great I mean I'd like just give me all I need is chat bots that I could work into Slack if I could just have chat bots for Slack you can there's a I mean it's not exactly what you're talking about but there's a lot of that kind of thing you can do no I mean like like what like what they have right they already have I do order chat bots better smarter chat bots actually that's what peach I think that's why people got so excited about peach is cuz at first it feels like who maybe this is the smart social network because it can do these things with keywords and the fact the matter is they're all kind of tricks and you get bored with them after a while and that's why everybody fled and there's no groups and there's no timeline yeah but if it was a chat bot if it was a chat bot that was helping you with your social network and directing you places and doing cool things and learning all of a sudden I think there's a there's a signpost to a future possible riff on social network I think we just got funded for two million dollars I think we were a unicorn did I miss peach did peach happen and unhappen in the brief time when I wasn't paying attention goddamn party for 48 hours we were all having a great time and then it stopped and and we were out man I think I I'm gonna quote myself and and and say you know isn't it weird it makes you think that peach and David Bowie died on the same day oh my god so sad so sad I'm happy hope you're happy too did you hear there's a there's a digitization of a cassette tape going around of David Bowie doing imitations which existed before ice like a lot more attention I didn't know it was off a cassette I mean David Bowie among the most fascinating human beings on the planet we talked about this on on a night attack pre-show but what I love the most about it about about you know it as we kind of like dug through in our in our in our tribute to him digging through his history just like how right he was about so much I mean like this dude was just always at the forefront like he he was you know just giving that interview with MTV in 1986 about like hey why don't you play black people and it kind of weird that you're like I watch other channels and I see videos with black people you don't seem to have them on all that much and then like in 97 talking about how the internet would breed the new rock star that the rock stars weren't rock stars anymore that that the internet you know would would would breed them which I think certainly you could say I mean this is you know even in in just the blogging revolution which came in five years after that was I mean the idea of the dangerous blogger you know was was something that that continued I mean like you know that brought that similar sort of cache a we've got to figure out this round table show idea probably guys just thinking the same thing because this this is this is perfect yeah I mean just here's how you don't like hey yeah and I love brainstorming with everybody like we did the other day but like we're just all gonna be a bunch of cats running around biting at each other's tails you know we're all gonna say everybody's idea is great because we all love each other and we all want to support everything set a date set a date just what dds round table is this date who is important all right so everybody just go fund us for Peter Wells day and that'll make it real easy thanks everybody we'll talk to you soon