 Attendees would not yet sometimes it takes a moment for people to come in. And now we're recording so you can go ahead. Okay, great. Thank you, Athena. So I'm going to call to order the governance organization and legislation committee July 6 2022 at 901 am pursuant to chapter 20 of the acts of 2021. This meeting will be conducted via remote means members of the public are able to access the meeting in real time via zoom or by telephone. And I'll just take a moment to make sure that members can be heard and in here. So we'll start with you Pat. Yes, present. Hey Jennifer. Yes, present. All right. And you can hear me. Great. Okay, so, as I said before we started the meeting, Mandy and Anika will not be joining us for this meeting. So it will just, it will be the three of us. And for today's agenda, we have the plant medicine resolution which is coming back from the town council as a referral. And we've been asked to make a substantive substantive review of that. We also have a resolution and support of common sense gun laws and a resolution affirming Amherst supportive access to reproductive care. And then we have to buy laws that we talked about at our last meeting, the peaking and hearing 3.23 and 3.22 discharging of firearms. So I'm just going to quickly look to see if there's anybody. Okay, there are not any attendees. So my plan was for us to begin with a review of the two resolutions and then go to the plant medicine. And then the bylaws, if that works for everybody. Yeah, that sounds great. So the plant medicine, nothing's happened to it since the council, we're getting it right. That so that's not entirely true if you look in the packet. We have so Kathy read that. Yeah, and I was going to explain that when we get to it but I'll wait. I'll just quickly say in case Kathy joins us. Kathy wrote a clean version, a simpler version of the plant medicine resolution and then provided some input, which is on a second piece of the document in the, in the packet of what changes she made. And so when we get to that as a committee, we'll talk about how we want to do the review based on the information we have. Okay. Thank you, Jennifer, you are willing to play Mandy today. It sounds. Yes, I am. I'm sorry I needed to turn a light on I looked like I was in a tunnel. Okay. No, that's okay. So that would be excellent. I realized my. Okay, I'm positive on my computer real quick just because. Let's see. Pause. I hope that works. All right, so let's start with the common sense gun law resolution if you would bring that up that would be great. Jennifer are you able to bring that one up. You mean that yes, then form the motion. No, I mean, oh my God, that's okay. No, that's Mandy working in the in the background there. Yeah, that's okay. If you don't feel comfortable doing it. I don't know you know what I have to um I actually have to get to them. Um, so when I was, when I went to get the documents yesterday, they were not. Hosted. Come in until a little bit ago. Oh, okay. Two resolutions weren't referred until late yesterday and, and once they were referred. Right. Yeah, but they're, I was on late last night. They weren't referred until today. Okay. Okay. Okay. So I have to be really honest. How do I. Open it up to you that I don't, I don't know either. So you will. And then you will share your screen. So it's common sense gun law. Yes. And it says draft to just to be clear on that. I'm bringing it up. I don't know. Let me know. Okay. I have it up now. And then I hate to be sad so dumb, but how do I. Where is it? Say share screen. On the bottom. Don't go ahead, Pat. Yeah. No, I was going to say it was at the top, but I don't know Jennifer either. So maybe you should go ahead. But I. I thought you should, the share thing is up at the top. But I don't. Oh, here's share. I've never. I lost you. Yeah, no, I'm saying I'm at the top. I see. Share. No, I go to file. It says share. So in your zoom window. Uh-huh. There at the bottom of the screen, there's a green button that says share screen. That's where it is. And then, and then once you click that, then you can. You can select if you want to share your whole screen or just the window with the resolution in it. Okay. So do I want to go, I don't want to go to desktop. I want to go to, you know, No, if you have it open in a browser, then you would select the browser. I can, I can share it, but it's just difficult for me to take notes, Michelle. And also. No, I'm trying to decide which I. Allow zooms to share your screen. Let's see if you see it now. So there should be a little box when you hit share screen that shows desktop. So just make sure that's highlighted like I think in blue. It is. Oh, and then share. Okay. Exactly. Oh, I'm, if it works, I've learned a new skill. But why aren't you seeing it? Um, I don't know. Let me. So I'm hitting share and it just says desktop. One. Yep. Perfect. I don't know if you did that, Jennifer. I did that. Pat, you did it. In all fairness, I'm on my home computer, not the towns. I don't know if that's why. Yeah. Okay. Thank you, Pat. Pure luck. It works really. I'm, thank you. No, when you said that, I thought you meant, you know, when I just say. Form the motion. Pat. So that, that gives you, um, the, the, um, great pleasure of being the, on the spot editor. If you don't mind doing that. That would be great. We'll try. Thank you. We'll have to let Mandy know how. I'm still going to try and get mine up. I don't know why. Oh no, no, I can't do that. Cause it says I'll stop. Pat. Yeah. You don't want to share now. Yeah. You can do Jennifer is for the next one. If you. Practice. That's my homework. Okay. All right. So, um, and I see there is some red wording in here. That's me. That's because my, because I had looked at it briefly before the meeting. Great. And so the, yeah. So the one thing is a correction, but then I want to look at the statistics. So we should probably just start in the usual manner. That sounds great. Okay. So we will start with the title as usual. And, um, being that we're such a small group, I think. Raising hands. Is it necessary? Um, so just if you have anything. As we go through just to go ahead and say it. Um, so anything on the title. Okay. And then we have counselor sponsors. Um, Bob Milne, Devon, Gauthier, Griezmer, Miller, and Walker. And everybody has participated in this review. Um, and in, in this, but have been invited into this review. Excuse me. But I do not believe, let me just do one more check that we have anyone here. Okay. So starting with the first whereas. Yeah, it seems to me that it should say. President Biden declared not has declared. Just that he did that. I agree. So you remove the red is to remove that. Yeah. But I don't know how to do a strike out. Um, you know, just go ahead and delete it. I think. Oh, okay. Or if Jennifer's comfortable with that. Yeah. We're just giving, they don't have to see that we struck it. Okay. Good. Okay. Oh, go ahead. Well, no, that's, that is it. And that one on the second one. I didn't notice anything. But I'm, I'm wondering, you know, the statistics. Yes. Right. I mean, there's been one or two more since this. Oh, is this written last night? Maybe inclusive then. I have no idea. I did add. So it was 278. Which I think came from mom's demand action. Uh, it was very current. Uh, What was the date of their, because one of the things when I'm sorry, Michelle. No, no, please. I apologize. I really interrupted you. What I was looking at is. Dates of the information when I went online. Some of the. Like since May 25th. 27 schools shootings, but that's back in, that was posted in 2018. So I'm sure there are more. Yes. I think. No, go ahead, Jennifer. No, no, I'm just saying I agree. I think there have been way more than two 79 since 2009. And I thought I found that statistic, but I don't. I have, I have more than 311,000. In three students have been experienced gun violence at school since Columbine in 2019. And they're talking about that statistic included 331 schools. Go ahead. No, no, go. Please go ahead. Yeah, no, no, I thought last night, literally on the news on CNN, I heard a statistic that was much higher than that. And not going. Yeah. So I'm, I'm concerned about, because as I looked, I thought, oh, that confirms this, but then I'd notice the date of when it was published online or when it was, when the news article was. So as I said, like 27 school shootings. That was back in 2018. But that may be. 27 school shootings since you all day, Texas, since the Rob elementary. So. Yeah, yeah. Answers need to. Yeah, real clear. So why don't we do this? Yeah. I think the numbers that I pulled from, so for this first one since 2009, it was 278 when I pulled it last week. Again, that was from mom's demand action, which does pull the latest data. But I will absolutely double check that to make sure and, and we can cite that. And then coming to the other one, Pat, we're talking about the 948. Is that the one, the other one in question? The school shootings since. The tragedy at Sandy Hook elementary school. Where are you now? I am one. I'm still back. Oh, you're here. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I apologize. I'm moving very slowly. So I do have a question about that if there's been. What does it say 948 school shootings. And then it says way fewer mass shootings. Is that because they distinguish between the two. Yeah, I think so. There's a distinguishing. Where you are there. Yeah. Okay. Let's stay with where the second, the third whereas here, and let's just make sure we're clear on that. So we're going to check the 279 number for accuracy to make sure. And then Pat, I think you were also saying that. The 1569 and the 1000 is, are those the other two numbers that you want to get make sure of? Yeah. And yeah, just that all of the numbers should real be accurate and current as accurate as we can cause who knows who we're going to kill today. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sadly by the time the steps to council, it'll be out of date. Yeah. Yeah. So that's a really good point. I wonder, do we want to. Add a whereas that's that speaks to that in some way. Let's get through what we have. You're asking us to do substantive work. Yes. Agreed. And that's not our charge on this. So we need clarification on number three. Let's go to number four. And see if there's anything in that. Again, I'm, I'm going to have to trust the statistic. I didn't have any time to look at that. Yeah. So the two sites, if you want, mom's demand action and then. Let me just pull up the other one. In case you want to, so every town. For our safety is another website. Every town.org. Okay. And those are the two sites, every town for gun safety. So that's where the statistics were gathered. Exactly. Yeah. And these are the most like. These two organizations are working in real time on these. Update them daily. Yes. Very much. In fact, I get texts daily. From mom's demand action. So it's. Yes, they're very, very current, but I agree that we should still double triple check these. Statistics. So you can. Okay. And then let's go to whereas gun violence. Disproportionately harms. Okay. Yeah. And we know. So whereas since the tragedy of Sandy Hook elementary school, we're going to double check that number as well. And then whereas the presence of armed school resource officers. Yeah, I wonder. Where can lead to more suspensions and expulsions, comma, particularly of BIPOC students. I'm not sure why the dash. I don't know. I'm hearing on channeling George Ryan, who hates dashes. He does. He really does. I remember. Good. I think it's good to channel George. And I agree with that. Change. There's a grammatical reason. There probably is, but I don't know what it is. The only thing I can think of is because then there's like another clause. I think actually there, because it is a clause. Yeah. That can criminalize misbehavior. So let me see. Jennifer, are you saying the comma should be there or the dash? I think maybe. The dash because. Yeah. It's a, in a side saying. It's all action feel less safe, lead to more suspensions and criminalized minor behavior. Right. Unless maybe you put particularly a BIPOC students at the end. Because I, I don't know why it's interjected there because I'm sure all of those actions are disproportionately impacting BIPOC students. I think that the can criminalize minor behavior is. You know, you know, I don't know if that's for all like for students. Yeah. Yeah. Can lead to more. I do think that is a clause that breaks up the action items. That's why it had a dash. Yeah. Yeah. I put it. Well. What about if we did. Can students can cause students to feel less safe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And criminalize minor misbehavior and lead to more suspensions and expulsions, particularly of BIPOC students. Perfect. That's great. Great solution. All right. I got to figure out how to do this. Hang on. No idea what I'm doing. This is insane. Okay. Hold on. It makes it look so easy. Doesn't she. Okay. I want that here. Yeah. See, I don't know how to do that thing that she does. So this needs to be in red. Oh, I wonder if she's in track changes when she does that. I have no idea. And I don't know how to do that. So. Oh, you got it. Yeah, you got it. Can lead. You can clean it up after like Mandy does that sometimes too. But. Rarely, but. Okay. Come up particularly of BIPOC students. Well, you had. Yeah. And then you'll cross out criminalize behavior at the end. Exactly. You do. Well, somebody's going to have to. Okay. I mean, I wonder. Are you worried that it's not in there as like a chain. It doesn't show as a change that we made. Yeah. Well, she usually crosses out and then, and I don't know how to do that. So we'll, you're a sponsor though. I'm a sponsor. Right. And I, so, and I, and I think the group. Yeah. It's okay with me representing today. So what I would say is I think what goes into the packet in the end. I'm trying to remember is the clean version. It usually is just the clean copy. Yeah. Because it's not like a by-law change that's already been adopted. So they don't have to see the first draft. I mean, we can. Great. This looks really good. Yeah. Really good. Okay. So now therefore be it resolved. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just looking at that one. Yeah. No, let me see. We're asking state officials to look at the pension fund and divest from companies. That felt like a separate whereas. Yeah, I think. I think so. Straight say this, but I think we were trying to keep it to one page. I mean, we were trying to keep it to one page. I mean, we were trying to keep it to one page. I mean, we were trying to keep it to one page. The first draft. There were a lot more whereas and now therefore be it resolved. And we combined a bunch of them to get them. To get the document a little bit. Simpler. So I have no problem. If you would like to add that. What do you think, Jen? I think it's. I think it should be. I think it should be. I think it should be. I think it should be. I think it should be. I think it should be. I think it should be. I think it should be. Yeah. You know, get just get lost in the, not the weed, but just in the language because that's very important. Second. Now. That they are strongly supports federal. That increases and threatens public safety. All right. Now. Be it further resolved. That would, this would be a be it further resolved. Be it further resolved that the Amherstown council. Asks. Yeah. Yep. And I think the be it further resolved is caps. Yeah, it is. Yeah. Okay. Is fun singular or plural. Pension fund and dive. I look at the pension fund the state. Is it one fund? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if I can look if I can see. This Shalini. This was something that came as a suggestion from Shalini. And I'm not sure. Let's see. It sounds like fund is the work. Yeah. Are we talking about the state. Pension fund or. State officials to look at the pension fund. I think it is, but like, did the teachers have a separate fund? I mean, that's getting Massachusetts teacher. Retirement system is what controls teacher pensions. So I'm. It does say pensions are okay. Pension endowment or retirement funds. So maybe it's plural. Look at pension funds. Maybe it's just to look at pension funds. Yeah. I think they're. Well, you certainly hope the teacher's fund has done this. And just to remove the, the before pension. Yeah. Hold on. Whereas it's just to have a. Wait, that's. We have. The public safety. Period. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. You know. Yeah. Oh yeah. These are periods. Okay. Right. Yeah, that's what I was trying to figure out. Be all the little things that I don't pay, you know, we let me do. This is good. This is good. I'm going to have to learn how to strike out just because. I'm going to go practice. I'm going to go practice. I'm going to go practice. I'm going to go practice. Like you can share with me, Jennifer. Yes. You're doing the next one, Jennifer. We're going to. I will practice. Yeah. So they are periods of the, you know, with the, the therefore be it resolves. Yeah. I think it should be. Support Sam risk school district in their commitment. I think there should be commitments cause it's two districts. Okay. That's. We need indefinitely. That sounds indefinitely continuing. So let me tell you. I actually pulled that language right from their. Resolutions. and they it was a language that was I'll be honest a little bit confusing to me but I wanted to since I was no you're right yeah I use their language yeah I think it's okay it's yeah and again I had the press and the police as a separate whereas a separate be it further resolved um but Lynn suggested combining okay I want to look here because we're talking about two districts so we made it commitments and then in all of its schools shouldn't it be their schools yes yeah you realize Mandy's going to look at this and at the council meeting is going to point out a little of things we missed okay well if if it goes through on I think we're doing good hopefully yeah um okay and so we're good with keeping the press on the same be it further resolved okay I originally all of them were on originally they were all separate then Lynn suggested combining everything I pulled out the school district one and and the crest and made that separate from the federal state and local grassroots one it just for me like the the crests and the police department working together for all nonviolent related calls isn't really in the same it's not yeah you know related necessarily just to schools but it doesn't have to be to be in the same if it's separated this way so I'm okay yeah I'm okay with it yeah okay but should it be a comma or nothing between schools and encourages I think you have a colon there semi colon yeah it is okay all right yeah all right exactly so can I I would like to if it's okay um and I know this may border on substantive but let me see what you all think okay so we reached out to Repdom to ask if there were any particular bills um because uh Shelly and he had brought a couple bills up and I'm just looking at this um now here and what Mindy had said is she believes that this week they're going to be taking up and deciding the legislature is going to be taking up and deciding on certain bills to be supporting and so that we may want to wait till we know to include those bills however we don't do we want to wait on the resolution so there was some that's up to you you're the sponsor but I don't think we should be we've gotten very lax about substantive stuff you know and and I don't know what the bills are you don't know what the bills are so it seems to me this is ready without that and if but supporting that would be really nice uh when's the when's our next meeting not not go well the council the council 18 July 18th so as a sponsor would you be comfortable if I added one line in here while we're doing this um is that okay because what Shelly and he recommended is that instead of mentioning bill numbers we ask that the state passes the bills to prohibit ghost guns that allow gun pieces to be legally purchased and assembled but lack serial numbers so I read it again okay so the state passes bills to prohibit so-called ghost guns that allow gun pieces to be legally purchased and assembled but lack serial numbers that's the one mass bill that is you know current as it relates to mass gun laws would that be a separate it has to be a separate yeah would have to I mean I'm fine with that yeah that's okay you're just gonna have to go real slow with me okay no problem okay uh just a sec uh it needs to be read oh well it didn't come out red but um and highlight and do it yeah yeah uh book uh I'm sorry I'm just not take your time no I couldn't even bring up the comma you can share my sweet let's see what happens you needed to read it I will read it yes are you ready yeah okay so um that the I think we have to say that the Amherst town council asks that the state pass bills ask that the state pass bills to prohibit ghost guns should it be bills or legislation I think legislation yeah ghost guns yep great and I wonder if ghost guns should be in uh friend um quotes exactly exactly so I have to tell you I never actually realized that's what ghost guns were you just sell the parts and put them together right yeah it allows gun pieces to be legally purchased and assembled but without serial numbers and it's a loophole in our in our pretty crazy which the supreme court probably supports I think all this is mute because it looks like states aren't going to be able to do anything they want anyhow okay all right what happens after ghost guns okay um that allow gun pieces to be legally purchased and assembled but lack serial numbers should it just should it be without and assembled without serial numbers yes yes and I'm I'm actually looking to see if there's a current okay okay an act relative to ghost guns uh okay wait a minute back what's the number it's number 2439 2439 house or senate house h 2439 you got it all right be afraid that the Amherst town asks that the state pass so we're gonna say not legislation but h 2439 yes we're actually going to get specific on that one yeah and Mindy did say that the more specific we can be the better if we do have if there is a particular one so I think that's good all right uh should we just I think we can leave to prohibit what do I have here okay that okay h 2439 to prohibit ghost guns that allow gun pieces to be legally purchased and assembled without serial numbers it what it's we're not saying an act relative to ghost guns but I think what's there is more important than the full flushing out of the name but okay yeah it's up to you guys you know what do you think I think that's what they're called no I understand no no so I think it's okay the way it is okay great yeah yeah I'm just looking okay the committee on public safety and homeland security to whom were referred the petition 2439 um and others relative prohibiting ghost guns so called so by the way that's how they say ghost guns comma so dash called comma wait wait where where are we now uh h 2439 and they say so called gun ghost guns did they say ghost guns and then comma and then so dash called comma so instead of putting like parentheses like we were going to do they that's what they do so called a comma between guns yes we could take take out take are you saying take out the quotes and put comma so called exactly yes all right and it's now and then it the word is called yeah comma that allowed them so called so hyphen called comma just sick and I'm now looking at you guys I'm looking at the actual so I don't see no lower sorry no that's okay that allowed okay okay so that um and then it says that allow gun pieces to be this is directly from the bill that allow gun pieces to be legally purchased or made to create firearms that lack serial numbers okay do you want to change it to that I think we should if yeah if that's okay read it again say it again then okay that allow gun pieces to be legally purchased or made to create firearms that lack serial numbers now what's interesting is it looks like oh I see okay so there's another bill that this was referred to um this committee right the public safety and homeland security and now bill 4869 includes 3d printed guns and ghost guns together so that's should we add that or is that well wait so there's a separate bill now that prohibits ghost guns and 3d printed guns they're on one yeah but are they it's different that's the age 2439 it incorporates it yeah so like there's a first page that says it's accompanied by bill house number 2439 so it's a separate bill um called house number 4869 that is an act relative to 3d printed guns and ghost guns so um wait let me try to relative to 3d yes 3d printed guns because what we're saying asset the state pass and age to prohibit ghost guns I think right and if the state decides to combine them that's then that's fine right okay that makes sense yes okay well that's scary let's just go print a gun oh yeah yeah that's really scary but we don't want to infringe on anybody's rights oh my goodness except your right to choice but I digress oh yeah but women shouldn't be able to choose I think we should castrate men who make women pregnant who don't want to be pregnant okay that's our next proclamation yeah all right so we do need a motion would Jennifer would you like to make the motion for this and I think we'll need to scroll up so that you can yeah right read the title that is title okay so I move I have to try and see the title that that's blocking it um to declare yeah I moved to the title because that box is blocking it so I move maybe I'm sorry I'm sorry that's my fault it's okay I move to declare that the resolution thank you in support of common sense gun laws and opposing legislation that threatens public safety is clear concise and actionable consistent and actionable they're not concise consistent okay consistent thank you okay great um any further discussion uh only that I don't know whether you can see all the stupid stuff I'm doing but I'm trying to set it up so I can okay all right I'll get rid of that and that so you're Michelle the current the statistics still have to be checked and that should be you yes I will check those do we need to include something in the motion that says additional probably right okay so then just yeah if you could yeah so I move to um declare that the resolution in support of common as a member gun laws yeah and opposing legislation threatens public safety uh as amended um with the statistics updated prior to yeah right with the statistics updated and confirmed prior to referring to council is clear consistent and actionable Athena is that a real is that a real motion um I'm going to do declare the resolution etc etc subject to updated statistics prior to council action thank you perfect I'm so glad there's no participants in the audience really hopefully no one chooses to watch this right but they won't they won't do a news article on it GLL members fumble through hey we did it though you know we did it so we need a second yeah I seconded are you seconded had seconds and all right let's take a vote Jennifer uh yes I I'm a yes Pat hi okay great all right all right so now we are moving on all right one thing am I supposed to get this to you as the chair to a thief you can actually send it to Athena and just copy me or send me a copy of the other Athena really needs to have it mostly and and Lynn please if you could copy Lynn yes it's going to the council thank you and somehow or other though you'll get the updated statistic Michelle yeah so I'll send I'll get the updated statistics and I'll I'll make sure those get incorporated prior all right so now we can move on to our second resolution and Jennifer do you want to try to share your screen and do you let me and that is um the plant medicine no no this is the decriminalization nope um affirming ever support of access to reproductive draft resolution 7.5 about abortion rights right yeah that's draft resolution 7.5 okay let's this is that what it's called to me reaffirming it says a resolution reaffirming support for access to safe and legal abortion yeah okay so it's on my screen I'm going to share screen I don't know I go to share screen I highlight it it says share open system preferences I click on it okay and then it says look I don't know remember what it said so let me pretend like you're gonna do it Pat and then see yeah I'm gonna try I let me go up here I'm gonna have to go through this with um Athena maybe after yeah me too even okay hold on I'm just gonna all right I'm going to share point now I'm sorry I'm not in share point I'm just in the BOL oh did you try going into share point Jen I don't know if that makes a difference but like where I think that's what I did last time but right now I'm there we go recent GOL committee all right hang on maybe that's it I'm no I I'm having trouble hang on I'm sorry shouldn't matter share point what the hell is going on all right there's share point but for some reason rather GOL is not showing up here I know on mine sometimes I have to like hit the refresh okay thank you come back in nope okay here I here with GOL meeting packets and agendas copy link no hang on I'm very sorry I no I'm actually gonna have to come in and see someone and okay where is it now help me do this common sense good no reaffirming right to abortion care gotcha now I want to share that's not how I did it before definitely no participants right sorry this is just before whatever I did made another panel come up and that's how and I'm not seeing do you want me I don't mind pulling this one up I just will have to I won't be able to see you but since we're just talking it's fine so if that will what I can't figure out is people you think okay top Jennifer top this isn't what I did before that's why Miller Michelle no this is sending them a copy so do you you're looking at the the share screen window or the share point window but the button is on your zoom window oh okay hold on I think I'm sorry we're so that's right that's right ah the green yeah there we go oh god so we have to go to the green one you pull it up and then you go to green you want to try it Jen well I I think my problem is I'm working on my home computer it so it doesn't allow me to go to share point okay no I was going a lot from from the public file I wonder if that's why on zoom screen you should still be able to share your screen but you wouldn't be able to edit it because the one yeah that's probably a PDF that's probably why okay I will Athena if I should I come in and see you or Shawn about this um I can set up a time for us to do a little zoom tutorial anytime you like okay okay thank you set that up outside of this meeting yes Jen I'd like to be part of that so I could learn how to strike through so we could Jen you and I can talk and give Athena a couple different dates or she could give us some great sounds good thank you Athena all right okay you got it so this is great and um is it last time you made it a little bit bigger I think you zoomed it a bit um I'm not sure where you did that from but if I'm not sure either does that help there you go yeah yeah nice okay all right I made you the rest of us very little okay I haven't had a chance to really go through this one okay let's start with the um the title and I don't see the title on my screen I don't know if you do Jennifer no there we go there okay all right reaffirming support for access to safe and legal abortion in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and across the United States and Pat were you a sponsor of the previous yeah okay so that's really good I'm glad you're here for this then because I know you know go ahead yeah no I don't have much of a memory so but go ahead okay it was like three or four pages long um anyway go ahead all right so um and this is counselors Devlin got here and myself and we will start with the first whereas and since you didn't have much of a time to reviewed if we need just a little more time to read each one that's totally fine I'm I wonder if it shouldn't say millions of women and it should say of of millions not on millions okay that might be a typo that was a typo yeah um yeah that's so we used the language individuals and people throughout this um and so you know that's fine but yeah okay but it's real I guess men make some decisions but not it's not just women yeah yeah there are non people who are not women that have uteruses right you're absolutely right thank you yeah okay so second whereas and this is the resolution that you I think wrote Pat that this is referencing the second one yeah yeah we can I think it's fine do you want to um would it make sense like we've done before a few times to link that to the previous resolution like to highlight 2019 resolution so if somebody's looking at this they could click on that and it be taken since this is a reaffirming of a previous commitment does that do you know remember how we've done that in a couple other instances so that they could find that original resolution I don't know how to do that yeah we can I'll take it well I'll make sure that gets taken care right so would you and you do it in this not the next one but would you highlight 2009 resolution hyperlink that uh but I'm not sure where would the 2019 right resolution right so you could hyperlink it there exactly yeah yep okay well I'll make sure that that gets taken care of after it's it's like I've been hyperlink here sure just as a reminder yeah no I want it to be red okay is that one word so all right great so the third whereas okay the fourth again you have and I need help with this the dashes um why not commas where are we oh here we go okay that one so that's an explainer um like it could it can it can absolutely be commas there if we and we do generally use commas so I'm I'm fine with it being I think George if you're channeling George would use commas there whoop that's not what I wanted backspace I just want it for the uh god this certainly that's like I'm just going to do that anyway it's fine yeah you think in this case that there's so many commas now that that's kind of the point was to just break that up a bit but yeah I don't have a problem with the dashes okay well we can leave them okay let's start a new look George you know he'll be okay back now hold on I just think it's too many commas it is a lot in this one exactly I like commas but I don't know I don't care uh whoops what did I do oh just that's just to and yeah yeah I'm after individuals it would be dash dash no no no I know I know I'm totally gonna make Mandy ask Mandy if she will watch this you know do not just so she can feel the level of appreciation that we she can never take vacation right okay no because you and I Jennifer we're gonna have this knock yeah by the next one right we'll be editing her you know in the dust good all right whereas in the week that's where we are now and this could I mean so well there will still be in the week in the week eight that's true so that will be fine because yeah okay that's good all right whereas banning abortion that's a good line yeah it is and whereas reproductive rights human rights okay despite the decision okay further protecting access and this I will speak on Anna's behalf for a moment to say that Anna worked on this with the police department on her own very recently and she could talk more about it maybe at the meeting but this is a really great yeah a great initiative so were you part of that too Pat I that okay okay um okay so now therefore be it resolved and the second there be um after abortion rights comma between rights and reproductive health care rights protection of abortion rights yes I believe that there should be the protection of abortion rights comma reproductive health yeah right yep do you see that Pat I'm sorry I was um I don't know where we are okay that one right there and now be it resolved that the Amherstown council here by reaffirms its commitment to the protection of abortion rights comma between rights and reproductive yeah thank you rights perfect okay um and then we're second be it further resolved yeah I have a because I'm looking at how this is typed up and it says massachusetts house house bill h period 49 30 and maybe that's what should be in the other one yeah that's a good suggestion all right massachusetts house bill right that's the formal yeah well it's fine here so I just have to go back into the other one to the other resolution yeah yep okay hello all right we are now um at the last basically we're finished up with this okay yeah uh great Pat would you mind making a motion on this um I move that a resolution affirming support for access to safe and legal abortion in the commonwealth of massachusetts and across the united states the declared clear consistent and actionable second great okay and I'm a yes Pat I can I okay great all right excellent great so now we are going to move to our discussion on the plant medicine um can you pause for sorry michelle can you pause for just a minute because we don't have a quorum at the moment while Pat's of course absolutely absolutely I'm sorry different we're done with this right now right yes yeah I just have to copy it so that I can send it to you michelle and everybody else and I'm supposed to send it to right the wrong thing don't lose it so much fun wait a second and we'll stick it down here control v all right I don't know what's happening all right I'm going to get rid of this save I never felt so inadequate in my whole life well that's not true but all right I don't know okay now how do I get rid of that crap are you do you want to stop sharing screen or I I don't see much of what you're doing right now just a bottom oh good and I must have unshared stop you're still there you go yeah I'm in awe I'm in awe you're sharing your screen so I think you're a tech genius we're going to talk you through the next one because I think I know what we did wrong now we have to go into the plant medicine right now we're going to go into the plant medicine and so just to give you a little bit more back we don't have the whole hoopla crowd no we so there has been no communication with the community sponsors since the last meeting um and since that meeting we received as I said earlier um a draft that Kathy worked on and also um some comments to to explain her draft so I'm in a pool though would everyone go to five share my screen this time okay um I'm gonna do that and then here we go um watch now I'll have uh I hope you mess it up really badly yeah I know right we all have to have our the thing is probably pulling her hair I can't even imagine what the thing is thinking laughing and um excuse me I just have to pause for one second um please give me one second okay excuse me um all right so here we go this is and I unfortunately I'm not techie enough to know how to share I probably could share the draft and this but let's take a look at this first do you all see my screen yeah okay so I didn't see this in the packet so I'm more showing this just for anybody who might be watching the video um just briefly so that there's a good understanding of where Kathy was coming from I really want to appreciate Kathy for taking the time um to write a simplified draft and listening to the counselor comments um and then providing this additional information here so I am curious given the sort of controversy that surrounded this particular resolution and the council discussions and it coming back here to us for a substantive review um I'm curious how the committee feels about Kathy's sort of she didn't go through and mark up the original draft she created a new draft um and so I was fine with that but I'm curious what the um and Jennifer I see that your hand is raised yeah I feel comfortable with it because I I for me personally it it does get to what I feel comfortable supporting because I do think when it really got in and Kathy had discussed this during council into promoting the use of substances I just don't feel qualified to weigh in on that I just so I what I personally feel comfortable is supporting decriminalization and research but I I literally don't know enough about this to really weigh in further than that so this makes me personally feel more comfortable thank you yeah I appreciate that and so um just keeping sort of your feelings about what you can support separate which is really important it is in terms of our review I'm curious whether we should pull up Kathy's version and sort of work with that or should we pull up the original version and try to use Kathy's version um and I see Pat's hand is raised yeah um I feel like we should work with Kathy's the whole one of the major issues with the um resolution as it was written is it was dancing all over the place and the only thing that you know somebody said this um recently Andy I think a resolution tells a story and gets to a point and the point is that I believe that the council supports the task force and the task force is do will be doing a lot of research on the very issues that the larger resolution um cares about um and I think that Kathy's really slimmed this down in a positive way so that there's actually very little that we might have to do with this to have it ready to come to the council that's my opinion yeah I agree with that because in the original that we were supporting the state resolution kind of got lost that that was really well that's that's often what our resolutions do is state and her support for legislation right and you know there we're going back to a thing that I said early on this is about plant medicine and then they're talking about frogs because the frogs are endangered but that's not and and I I must admit that I am um never mind no it's okay Pat I am dreadfully uncomfortable with the manipulation by the sponsors of people who sign their petition and I I know that I think it was you Michelle said oh it was just a way of doing something that we're not familiar with we have to get familiar with it no when you're asking because I've done this plenty of times as an activist you're asking people to sign something if you're going to then use it even just to publish their name you need permission and you cannot send an email in their name even though so I I have so that I must admit that this is coloring my reaction to the resolutions and I apologize for that I would like to move away from that yeah so but the only one that I think we should be working on is Kathy's the council sent this to us to work on and there was quite a bit of sentiment on the council about what could or could not be supported as Kathy's notes kind of show so and I agree I would like to work with Kathy's which I actually haven't seen I saw this document but I didn't actually so I'll be seeing Kathy's for the first time okay okay it's in our I'm going to pull it up right now it's in our packet the one piece that I'm a little bit concerned about and unfortunately I haven't had time to review in advance too much is it was my understanding that the committee that you referenced that we've talked about pat previously was stalled and so I'm just quickly looking at warehouse bill 1494 an act establishing a task force to study equitable access to ethnogenic plants I'm looking at it on the website right now just to see where we're at so that okay so it looks like on because everything had to sort of be decided on by June I forgot what the date was so June 9th 2022 it says house accompanied a study order CH4844 and I'm looking at that right now I don't know Michelle yeah can I pull that out there your screen if you could copy what you're seeing or something so we could see it you got it cut and paste it into this document so we can see it and increase the size because let me do this real quick and that's ghost guns and stuff yeah no I'm typing as we speak oh I'm sorry so no that's okay I'll just I just want to I'm going to pull it up how 1494 thank you 1494 okay this is a very slow website for some reason I don't know if you've all used used it but there's always a delay when you click to try to get on to these look at these bills on the ma legislature.gov so it just is if you can see it swirling up there it's just going to take a second okay there so you can see here this was the task force and here is the history of the bill it looks like a hearing was scheduled it was my understanding that it stalled out I'm not sure what occurred but I'm going to click on 4844 and see where that takes us yeah interesting so it came up faster on my other computer it says order relative to criminal offenses civil liability child welfare the justice system public safety drug offenses assault and other judiciary issues here you are so this is now sponsored by the joint committee on the judiciary the status referred to house committee on rules and so it's being basically that task force is being bulked in with these other ones that relate to but we're still only talking about it we are yes exactly so I think that a study order is basically like a bunch of bills that get put together in a particular committee to be studied so I think that we're safe just to say that we're going to so let me pull up Kathy's and just see what the Kathy's refers to one bill yeah yeah and that's what we're saying this resolution is about our support for that okay so let me get that here we go and you should be able to see that in a second all right so maybe what we should do is just go through like we would a regular review and but we can we know that we can expand our comments beyond clarity consistency and action ability and I'll make that bigger for you Pat one second thank you very much I have a hard copy but it's still good to see it on the screen one second are you going to be able to do notes on this I'm going to try and then if I what do you think if I was going to volunteer Jennifer to take notes I can take notes yeah I can't do the edits on this I can't do share but I can take notes yeah I'll do my best and I'm going to try to get this into a different I think that there's let me see something it just needs to be did that make it bigger no oh there that's starting to make it bigger whatever you did okay let's I have a hard copy so I'll be I do too yeah okay that's better that's better okay so you're going to take notes Jennifer and then we'll follow up with notes um let me just because I can if that's better than I can let me see something real quick I don't know what just happened here one second okay all right editing oh so you're going to do it right oh I don't think so I doubt that but we'll try um I just can't move this stupid hard copy okay all right so let's start um a resolution let's start with the title resolution to support and honestly I don't even I feel like this shouldn't even have counselor sponsors on it at this point we have all worked so hard on this across the board in these discussions that we've had um it feels like it's a rural council requirement what's that yeah a resolution has to be sponsored by a counselor so we're putting you in okay okay that's fine all right a resolution to support decriminalization of the use of plant medicines and to prioritize public health responses so that was the title any is that look good for people yes okay and then it should say the sponsors were Anika you and Pam Rooney correct yes yeah so I would put the three of them and then you could always check with them if they whatever they want to do but are we still putting the community sponsors I I wasn't planning on it no good yeah I don't think we should because they're not supporting they're not here yeah um uh it was the loaves show and Pam I'll be right back I've got to grab something quick to eat I'm sorry okay we won't talk about anything you can well Athena doesn't like for us too so I'm gonna pause sorry oh you're no uh in fact I will use this moment um to go to the bathroom and if that's okay with you Jennifer I just need a minute I'm gonna turn my hand okay all right so Athena maybe I'll I'll send an email but would maybe next Monday or Tuesday work for you to um give us a tutorial I'm gonna shut my picture off so I can shoot but but I'm here okay yeah Jennifer I think um Monday or Tuesday next week would work um let me see if there's a room that we can use oh okay great and and I'll and I'll shoot you and Pat's and time's the work okay great thank you so very much Athena you're welcome I'm gonna fill up my coffee while Michelle's away uh Tuesday is better for me than Monday but I will make time if I have let's see Tuesday is very good for me okay I'll I'll see what rooms are open okay okay everyone back yep okay great so that's why I'm not okay that's fine let's start with the first whereas seems fine okay second is can I just do a quick what is elements I mean I know what elements but what's the definition of elements in illness I don't know I don't I can't just say for treating substance use yeah I don't like that I know I would just take out the whole elements such as okay are you good with that Pat yes okay okay such as let me see if I can do add comments tendencies toward recidivism um I mean I understand I think what's being said here I just can we just say recidivism I think you can yeah okay are you okay with that Pat just okay yes so we're getting rid of tendencies toward right yeah oh you can do the fancy strikeout yeah so just so you know and I'm sorry I should have said this earlier but I'm a person that has to be doing it to to remember it if you go up to this top for my cursor is you can change this from editing to reviewing and when you review this is what it does gotcha all right so let's go to whereas despite the potential health benefits I don't think we need the word even oh get it yeah it shouldn't be there whereas the war on drugs and do we want to say the so-called or do we want to quote put quotations no I think we should just call it the war on drugs but also it says vulnerable people particularly people of color and I would say and those of limited financial means because there's certainly people of color who have fine financial right and okay one more time so particularly people of color and those with okay more and people with limited financial needs and those with limited financial needs so are you okay with people with or those you like the I guess because we say vulnerable people particular people of color I think and those with might sound better Pat yeah you're right okay do we need after unnecessary arrest do we need a comma there no you're right we don't okay okay well I guess what they're saying is unnecessary arrest generally and then incarceration of vulnerable people particularly I guess that's what the intent was to me it was it led to the unnecessary arrest of and incarceration of vulnerable people yeah I think that's right this other people are less likely to be arrested yeah exactly but and is the word vulnerable that's sure that's vulnerable vulnerable is like I feel like vulnerable is almost saying like that the person had the problem in a way like do you know what I'm saying whereas okay let's get rid of vulnerable them but how there should be a word of what we're saying particularly people of color so I don't think we even need a word there are we okay getting rid of that the vulnerable yes yeah yeah okay are you Jennifer are you okay with that yeah yeah okay okay or do we even need people what if it says the war and drugs has led to the unnecessary rest and incarceration would that make sense comma particularly has how about this has led to unnecessary take out the the before unnecessary the war and drugs has led to unnecessary rest and incarceration comma particularly if people of color in those with limited yeah I think that works do you are you okay with that pat I think are you just here let me about getting rid of the the no and then getting rid of has led to getting rid of vulnerable people of entirely so whereas comma the war on drugs has led to unnecessary arrest and incarceration comma particularly if people of color in those with limited financial needs it has to say of I think it should still say people um I don't know I'm trying where I'm led to it unnecessary arrest and incarceration and then it should say and then it could say particularly of people of color and those with limited financial right yes okay and okay I'm a little I can go with it but I'm a little uncomfortable because somehow rather we're not saying white people in here anywhere and it's very easy for people's minds to think that only black people are being you know and by the particularly but it's true we have a war you know we we don't have to go into that explanation so I guess when I was seeing I mean I guess what I'm just thinking is arrest and incarceration pat would you just finish your thought and then Jennifer sorry I was just saying that the people and I don't need to have it but the people there after incarceration of people it somehow or other for me included white people and the white people are being arrested and incarcerated as well but take it out take it out because I'm sitting here yeah reading it six different ways take it out incarceration of I mean it's clearly people this who else you incarcerate it could be of all people particularly I just feel like I guess we're getting back to the vulnerable I don't I'm finding out vulnerable but I feel like the people needs an adjective because it's clearly people and we're not talking about animals okay so we used a term in the last hand um historically exploited was one term they have vulnerable people that's what they have people what they have is in their resolution the unnecessary penalization arrest and incarceration of vulnerable people particularly people of color and people of limited financial means rather than and I actually think their paragraph is better than this one okay do you want to read that to me um and we'll thank you for keeping your eye on that pat okay so tell me what this the war on drugs has led to the unnecessary penalization or comma arrest comma sorry that's all right unnecessary penalization now you're going to see what a bad speller I am G E N A L I Z A T I O N okay unnecessary penalization comma arrest where and unnecessary and incarceration of vulnerable people comma particularly people of color and people of limited financial means comma um people particularly people of color and people of limited financial means okay is that look right um comma rather than prioritizing and I can't see what yeah that's there okay and I guess the reason I stuck with it because the work I've done through alternative surveillance the majority of incarcerated men that I work with are um BIPOC or black but the poor whites are in there too yeah absolutely absolutely they're there because if you're a wealthy white you just get out of this automatically you all know that yeah you should watch a really great movie that I was turned on to um by the legal counsel at Pleasant Trees it's called White Boy Rick if you haven't heard of it um it's a really great movie I think it's on Amazon Prime I can't remember or Netflix but really white boy Rick okay if it's on Amazon I won't watch it but I can't remember there's I'm sorry there's two commas after record so we should get rid of that okay where are we at here um record uh record oh I just see your cursor there that's why oh no sorry okay we're back up here so okay okay criminalization of plant medicines represents plant medicines represents is it represents a necessary step yeah yeah this is is it that's an ass at the end represents yeah I guess it's getting to decriminalization okay no I think you're right it should be singular you're right plant medicines represents yeah you're right Michelle necessary step to assess potentially beneficial use eliminate stigma and enable residents to seek treatment without fear of criminal enable residents no the criminalization plant medicines should we say and enable people yeah I would say people okay should it be enabling residents to assess potentially beneficial use eliminates oh no enable you're right yeah it's not yeah okay uh the city councils of summerville Cambridge do we want to make sure that list is complete prior to this going to council are we good with just it's up to you I I'm fine with it for right now okay okay somebody highlighted this and it wasn't me um so I'm not sure if it was one of the two I think maybe I did I do that no I don't think I did that I had something like that highlighted in something Kathy may have used but the note said that it had to be checked and the Amherstown police do consider enforcement of as among the lowest law enforcement priorities they're they're not out there trying to round up arrests because of drugs I think that at least three counselors have heard that directly from chief Livingstone so I feel including myself a new pet so I feel comfortable with that do you Jennifer does that work for you okay so I'm just gonna we don't need this isn't going to be highlighted okay yeah I mean the issue was setting policy this is not because this is already the policy right well it isn't yeah that's what they're doing so we don't have to worry about it and again that was I think there's two commas after record so one I think that's why that is that why that's why it was highlighted because Kathy wanted us to just check that with the police okay where okay record I can't tell if I'm seeing two commas after that word no stand off it has long-standing record of or is that what you're talking about no the very last word oh yes that is the it should be the um oh because it isn't a period it is a common period it should just be a period right okay because it's the last one it's the last where oh no and I don't know no I don't think it says and on the last one let me check uh let me just check there we are there's does and I've got so many other resolutions yeah I think I think it's okay for it to have a period uh yeah okay all right so now therefore be it resolved that the Amherstown council supports use of plant medicines primarily we don't need this as right use of plant medicines primarily as an issue of public and mental health yeah right okay of use of yeah the accumulation I think that this of use of isn't needed is it so can I just ask yeah sure is this what people the kind of thing people were feeling uncomfortable with now be it that to view the use of it or just that the Amherstown council supports a decriminalization of plant-based medicine and views the use of plant medicines I I mean I don't think I feel that's a really um I wouldn't I can't say that all councilor views the use of plant medicines primarily as an issue of public and mental health I mean is that what I just wonder if that's where they're feeling you know I don't know I don't know if that was the kind of statement that would throw this back again all right or maybe it would just be a minority I don't know it's we're we're supporting the I support the decriminalization so I do too it's the next clause I wonder yeah yeah how about that the Amherstown council supports decriminalization of plant medicine uh oh we already talked about the use of plant medicine and views the use all right the decriminalization of plant medicine and views the use of plant medicines as primarily primarily a public and mental health so one of the things that's not in this at all and that I would like to see added back somehow and maybe this is a good place to do that is about harm reduction I mean because really that's what we're talking about here is harm reduction right there let me see uh well this is see here's the difference what they're saying is the town council maintains that the use and possession of all controlled substances should be understood by town departments agencies and commissions and all town employees first and primarily as an issue of public health harm reduction and as a restorative justice initiative is that that's what you're talking about yes now that the town council supports the decriminalization guys I'm going to be or people I'm going to be coming in on um another zoom because my battery is about to die on this computer um so I left my charger in New Jersey so that would be a pollution but I think this should save where we're at so hang on let me it's not lost yet keep talking um yeah I'm just having see here in this one we're telling them all right I think public health all right I think we can do this can you hear me it means getting rid of mental health here possibly but I'm looking at what they wrote as an issue of public health comma harm reduction comma and as a restorative racial justice initiatives I think I think I think people can stand behind that okay hang on I'm just pulling it up onto here now and then I'm going to get off that other one can you hear me yes okay hang on one second um okay I hope this pulls up the one that we've been working on yes okay all right let me share my screen here sorry about this um do you see it now on this screen yes okay I'm gonna go get out of here okay all right keep going Pat what were you saying well I'm looking at what they wrote and there we're here this is the council maintains that the use of should be understood is that the right one yeah what I think this should say that the Amherst town council supports the decriminalization of plant medicine and views the use of plant medicines as primarily an issue of public health harm reduction and as a restorative justice initiative but I'm hearing Jennifer say will people support it so the aren't we supporting the potential decriminalization well I think we're definitely supporting the decriminalization that's that's that's not a question okay so then I think it should just say of plant medicine right because I think there you're getting into how they view it as more subjective exactly I I don't think we should have that but is there a way that we can include the harm reduction piece Pat based on what you're reading or you're saying it shouldn't say and views the use of plant I got the feeling that's what people were having some objection no I thought it was about being given directions on how to take it yes exactly which is like it feeling like it was being promoted I guess that's why some people felt like yeah but this isn't and views what we're saying is the use of plant medicine is an issue of public health harm reduction I don't know I don't okay I mean that's fine I don't have a problem with it I'm just I'm not sure yeah but you're I think there must be a slider do you know that on our town computers there's a little slider at the top of the that you can hide your camera Athena told me about that you know that okay so on your town computer on the top of your camera there's this tiny little thing that slides back and forth so if you don't want to turn your camera off you can literally just slide it and watch I just slid mine it's like putting a shade up yep well I can't see where you don't have it on yours maybe I don't know I can't see where you're saying it is it doesn't matter because anyway sorry okay that's this one I'm not gonna try to take it right now okay um all right so can you can you read one more time Pat what they say in theirs please uh the whole thing yeah uh now therefore blah blah that the Amherst town council hereby maintains that the use and possession of all controlled substances should be understood by town departments agencies boards commit and all employees of the town first and primarily as an issue of public health harm reduction and as a restorative uh racial justice initiative and is it anyway what I'm thinking is if the town council supports the decriminalization of plant of using plant medicine and we view that use as an issue of public health harm reduction and restorative justice I don't see how that okay yeah that's that would be prompt so I'm not saying use it the way they've written it but except for the ending I do I don't think it supports the use of decriminal decriminalization decriminalization of use of plant medicine no I'm just saying the decriminalization of plant medicine okay and then in your suggestion you'd say and use what are you and use the use of plant medicines yeah as an issue of public health harm reduction and as a restorative racial justice initiative and should it just be a restorative justice initiative okay hold on public health harm reduction sorry I'll be right back no oh we should we should wait till Pat comes back unfortunately I have a hard stop at 11 okay let's try to finish this up and then so what I was saying is um and use the use of I don't know if we do we need public health and mental health like so no I think it should just public health public health harm reduction and restorative justice justice perfect does that work and as a restorative justice initiative I don't know that's what is that what there says yeah yeah it's an initiative of restorers and a restorative justice initiative period okay and we don't need a period not a cold one yep and no end perfect okay got rid of that so be it for the result I don't know what's that nothing nothing nothing does that look okay we really have here sports music okay and we use the use of plant medicines as an issue of public health harm reduction and as well we don't need and as so wait a second we're saying that we view the use of plant medicine as harm reduction how does that that does and restore a restorative justice initiative no we're not really what is that because we view that's my if I want to use mushrooms how is that uh it is an issue of my health public health and mental health maybe but how is that harm reduction when I'm using it at home or do you mean harm reduction of harm to health reduction I I don't know what I'm just hard in my mind harm reduction means like it's used for certain I think it can be looked at in two ways but I think it can be it's used for depression anxiety PTSD all those things and also I see that's an issue of public and mental health because yeah I see which is it gets harm reduction some people may interpret that as like a restorative justice initiative and then it's redundant yeah the harm reduction literally is incarceration I think that it should just go back to public and mental health and restorative justice initiative no I or no let me look at because what it's saying is and views the use of plant medicines how is the use of plant medicine harm reduction or the use of plant medicine a restorative racial justice initiative yeah and why is the word use of even use is I think use is the issue I mean the decrypt so the decriminalization is part of the restorative justice initiative but not the use that's that's what I think yeah so in there I'm just looking at theirs and it says maintains that the use and possession of all controlled substances which we had controversy over that but just bear with me here should be understood so this is in there in the original so it says the worst thing we want to decriminalize it but the use is neither here nor there we're I mean neither here nor there but it's if we decriminalize it and we view it again it sounds like maybe it's that it's the word use that's hanging us up so are you you can see my screen actually right so we're here Pat just so you know um where I just highlighted so I think you're right Jennifer I think coming back to your initial instinct about use being what was um was concerning to some counselors whether it be promoting use or whatever right it's just we're not this isn't let's look at our title again what is our title resolution it's to support oh well it's to support the criminalization of the use of plant medicines and prioritize public health responses that's fine because what we're saying then is maybe that's maybe that's where it has to say supports the town council supports decriminalization of the use of plant medicines and their use as primarily a public an issue of public and mental public health and supports prioritizing because so okay hang on let's go back here so yes I think you're on to something here okay so that the Amherstown Council supports decriminalization of the use of plant medicines right let me just see something real quick and views the use of plant medicines as an issue of public and mental health okay so I just wanted to look at public health so if we're looking at the original resolution Kathy changed the title to include use so why don't we just a resolution in this this isn't even to support no a resolution supporting decriminalization of plant medicines can I just do something for a second supporting decriminalization of plant medicines and prioritizing public health responses right I don't know what that changes except we do need public health in here I think that to say resolute we're not like the word you I don't know why use is in there resolution supporting decriminalization that's what we're doing right okay okay and prioritizing public health responses okay is that solid and then so that means then if we come down here then we're saying that the Amherstown Council supports decriminalization of plant medicines and supports I and I think it should just say and views the use of plant medicines as primarily a public health issue yeah I that's that's fine yes okay so decriminalization of plant medicine and views the use of plant medicines as an issue of public health or as a public health issue I like that better is that okay as a public health issue yeah I think that is that's what Pat said I think that's a public health issue we have three minutes to 11 okay I think we're almost done here I don't know what I did here but something public health issue period okay be it further resolved that the town council okay we express support for this right we're okay with that okay the resolution does not authorize or enable any of the following activities yeah that one's good and then these are the people it needs to go to I think we're done you're good all right good job good all right who wants to I mean when we have to thank Kathy it's it's much simpler yeah and that was the concern it was running far afield I agree I agree and I think there was a lot of learning that occurred in working with community sponsors versus you know and we learned a lot all around I think so and yes to thank Kathy for bringing this forward and I'm actually not going to be at the meeting on the 19th um so I'm sorry whatever the next meeting is I might not be there either oh and then nika is not going to be there either I don't believe I am going to try and zoom in yeah well that's what three of you that's it's the 18th the council meeting is the right yeah three that leaves 10 people we're still fine I mean we're still fine yeah but maybe pat if me and nika and jennifer aren't there maybe you could make the report like if there's a georeal report um if you like it I'll be happy we'll ask you to share your screen okay let's make this so I'm gonna move to declare resolution supporting decriminalization of plant medicines and advertising public health responses to be clear consistent and actionable but I do wonder Athena if we should say anything about having done a substantive review that can be in the report yeah okay yeah because yeah that's what we were ordered to do and that's what we did and here's what we got okay so do we have a second second okay you should second for all your work all your edits the rest let's vote and get jennifer yeah okay jennifer how do you vote yes pat okay and michelle yes and miller yes and so the only thing I want to check on is that I guess lopes and rooney want to remain councillor sponsors um but I don't know if that's a matter of this so uh did you get that Athena yes thank you okay great all right so I do have to just make sure there's no public comment before you leave um okay there's oh jennifer please no you can go to public comment I there's nobody here nobody nobody here no need to do public comment I will not be at the july 20th meeting so I don't know if that's okay so either will mandy and either will anica suddenly so no meeting no meeting on july and I am not mad about because I will be zooming in from spain um so I I guess we'll yeah we'll have to cancel that meeting um but I'll speak with Lynn and just make sure there's nothing so our name here all too awesome me too yeah what's that pat august 3rd would be the next meeting that's right yeah that's right okay all right good well thank you I am adjourning the meeting at 11 01 and great job thank you so much this was good okay thank you bye