 Rhaid o'r bwysig o'r cyflott. Rhaid o'r bwysig o'r cyflott, peirio, o'r cyflott yma yn gyfnodol. Rhaid o'r cyflott o'r cyflott yma yn gyffredinol y dyma. Yr cyflot yma yn cyflot yma yn gyffredinol i'r cyflot yma, ond mae'n ffasgrwch yn gweithio i'r rhwng. Mae'n gweithio i'r rhwng fath o'r cyflot. maen nhw'n iddynt maen nhw'n gwirionedd ar gyfer y rhwng. Rhaid o'r cymdeithasol Llywodraeth Cymru, ac rwy'n mynd i'r cyflaedd cyflaeddau gyda gwnodd y Gwyrdd Gweithreidonol. Roedd y gwirionedd stryd o'r cyflaedd ar gyfer y cyflaedd gydaer hwnnw y mynd i'r cyflaedd i ymgylchedd y Llywodraeth Cymru o gweithio gwyloedd cyfiaeth gyda'r cyflaedd Cymru i'r cyflaedd cyflaedd i'r cyflaedd cyflaedd gyda'r cyflaedd. Cynllun Williams bydd yna llunio'r cyffredinol yn gyntaf i gael rai gweithio. Felly bod yn cymdeithasol. Wel, rwy'n gobeithio maen nhw'n meddwl i'ch ddweud ymlaen. Rwy'n meddwl i'r cyflwyno am hynny. Cynllun Dolton. Hello, good morning. I'm Claire Daunton, and I'm one of the councillors for the Fendit and Fullbourn ward. Thank you, Councillor Hamely. Hello, I'm Bill Hamely. I'm the elector-member for the Villages of Over and Willingham. Thank you. Councillor John Williams. I'm John Williams. I'm the lead member for finance, and I'm also one of the councillors for Fendit and the Football World. Thank you. I see we have a number of officers present. Would they like to just introduce themselves? At this distance, I have trouble reading your name, so would you like to start at the top? Hello, I'm Siobhan Mellon. I'm a climate and environment development officer. Thank you. Hi, I'm Eleanor Haynes. I'm a climate and environment project officer. Thank you. Hi, I'm Emma Dyer. I'm a development officer in the comms and communities team. Thank you. Hello, my friend Hawkes here. I'm also in the communications and communities team, the community's manager. Thank you. Thank you. Hello, I'm Rebecca Weymuth Wood. I'm waste policy and climate manager. Thank you. Thank you all. Have we any apologies? Thank you, chair. We have called you some councillors, Joes Hales and Peter McDonald. I can confirm that we've called for the meeting. Thank you. Any declarations of interest from members? Councillor Hanley? One of the items today is for St Mary and All Saints Church in Willingham, although I'm not a member of the congregation or involved in any way, I am obviously the elected member for Willingham. Thank you. Nothing. Thank you. So we'll move on. Can we look at the minutes of the last meeting which was held on the 31st of January? I've temporarily lost the page. Here we go. On page one and page two. Everybody happy with those? Yes. Thank you very much. So we can move on to item four, which is the zero carbon communities grant scheme options. I will hand over to Eleanor Haynes to introduce the report. Thank you. Thank you, chair. I've got a presentation, so I'll share my screen for you. Can you see that? All right. Yes. So thank you and good morning. I'm really pleased to be presenting the recommendations for round four of the zero carbon communities grant scheme. So with the council just having approved a budget with such a strong and unified focus on climate and environment, I'm really pleased to be presenting these recommendations to enable parish councils and community groups in our district to set up their own projects to reduce reliance on fossil fuels and engage the community on climate change. So a bit of background on the grant. So the grant's objectives aimed to fund projects by parish councils, community groups and not-for-profit organisations which engage communities on climate change and reduce reliance on fossil fuels. So it's a key way that as a council, we can pursue our green tool, our core agenda and we've been able to take all of our lessons learnt from three rounds of the grant scheme so far to present some minor changes to the grant scheme in round four. Now, this year there's 120,544 to fund the grant due to money left over from previous rounds of the zero carbon communities scheme, which was decided in the previous grants advisory committee meeting. So the reasons for the proposed changes, so previous projects have been invited to imply under specific themes of such as cycling or nature, which had to adhere to the objectives of community engagement around climate change and carbon emission reduction. But this meant that projects tended to focus on one of these objectives which made it really difficult for them to score well against the other criteria. So we're therefore proposing to replace these themes in previous rounds with two categories of carbon emission reduction and community engagement on climate change. And this means that the objectives of the grants will be better served and it will make it easier for projects to score well and to measure and report on their progress. Also the second proposed change is around ring ffencing a specific amount for training program for community leaders. So one of the aims of the zero carbon communities program is to empower groups in the district to undertake their own action. And a project funded through the first round of the zero carbon communities grant, Cambridge carbon footprints net zero now training program, trained community leaders in the district. And as a result, this has helped community climate leaders around the district to set up climate groups. So this program was of a very high quality and well received. And so the groups set up by these community climate leaders will now be able to apply for the grant scheme to fund their projects and to deliver sort of comprehensive and fully considered applications to the grant scheme. So in order to enable such a project to operate in the coming year and shape applications for the following year, we're recommending the option to ring fence the amount to procure such a program. So now on to the options. So we're recommending option one, which is to ring fence 15,000 pounds to procure community climate leader training program, such as the net zero now project or otherwise. And we the option then recommends to split the remaining funding between two categories of carbon emission reduction and community engagement on climate change in a 70 30 split or otherwise. Now we're recommending the 70 30 split as the carbon emission reduction projects do tend to cost a bit more. And so this option will require comprehensive information guidance, guidance documents and information documents, which are available in appendix B and C. And this these documents will help projects to measure their expected outcomes, which is what we'll be looking for in the applications. So option two is the same as option one, but the funding is not set aside to procure a community climate leader training program and sort of training providers would be able to apply through the grant scheme through the community engagement option. And then option three is to have no change and to have the program as in round three with three main themes of community building tree planting and other or other other themes. And so it's recommended that option one is recommended to the to the lead cabinet member finance. So a change to the funding timescale is also proposed as projects from previous rounds have requested extensions beyond the 12 month completion date to allow them to measure and report on their outcomes. The recommended option option one proposes that projects are given 12 months to spend the funding and additional six months to enable them to report and monitor their outcomes. Option two proposes no change and to keep the funding within the 12 month timescale. And it's recommended that option one is recommended to the lead cabinet member finance. So now a brief note on the funding amounts upon receiving feedback from the grants advisory committee, the option of reducing the maximum grants amount available was considered. And we took it undertook an analysis of the funding. So as we can see from this graph, the majority of projects still applied for smaller amounts, but there were still projects who needed to apply for higher amounts. And this shows that projects weren't announced by the high sort of higher maximum amount. And in the end, nine out of 14 funded projects applied for less than £5,000. And the higher amount also encouraged match funding for large scale projects which were able to bring in significant match funding. So presented good value for money projects. So to sum up the summary of the recommended options for the thematic changes. It's recommended that option one to have a community to procure a community climate leader training programme and then have two categories for community engagement on climate change and carbon emission reduction. So we recommend that the grants advisory committee recommends option one to the lead cabinet member for finance. And then in terms of funding time scales, we recommend that the grants advisory committee recommends option one for the 12 month spend period and the six month monitoring period to the lead cabinet member for finance. And we also recommend that no changes to the funding amounts are made. Thank you for listening. And does anyone have any questions? Thank you. Councillor Dalton. Yes, thanks very much. So could you just tell us a little bit more about who's making the recommendations and why? The recommendations are being made by officers. So these have been considered by the development officer and Rebecca Weymuth-Mudd. And we've also discussed this with the head of service for climate and environment, Bodie Issan. And presumably also with the Climate and Environment Advisory Committee. Siobhan. I was just going to say that they've been sent the reports and we have had a conversation with Councillor Haley. But it hasn't been before the Climate and Environment Advisory Committee. But I think in terms of understanding where this is coming from, it's about trying to be able to monitor more effectively the carbon reduction that the projects are delivering. And also acknowledging that actually some of the best carbon reduction projects don't naturally lend themselves to the broader engagement. And that, as we've heard, can be a difficulty in terms of the ones that are coming forward. Thank you. Councillor Martin Cohn. I understand the Climate Committee were invited to this meeting. And you're representing them, I assume. I've decided to come along. Yes, I'm generally in favour. The points that have been made have been clearly made and I would concur with them. Right. Councillor Hanley. Just to be clear, this has been discussed by the SEAC and approved by the SEAC. That's really, I think, what I would like clarity on. I think it's essential that it's been discussed and approved by them. It hasn't come before that committee. No, it hasn't got that far. But it's with the process. It is a lead cabinet member for finance decision. Chair, I mean, if you don't mind, I mean, that's actually never been before SEAC, before any of the previous rounds of the zero carbon grants that we've run. So this is just the same procedure that's been through in the previous years. Obviously, if members would like us to take it before the Climate Environment Committee, that can be arranged, but it's not been part of the process previously. It doesn't actually change the objectives of the grant. So in terms of that formal engagement with the climate environment. She's for us. I'm sorry, we seem to have a freeze on our system. So maybe we just hope for a moment while they see if they can make the systems work. Sorry, Siobhan, we lost you. Sorry, I was just saying in terms of the Climate Environment Advisory Committee. I mean, the objectives of the scheme remain the same. So this is really just a small, a fairly small change. Can I just ask Councillor John Williams, you've indicated. Yes, thank you, Chair. Councillor Cahn, are you expressing the view of the committee or your personal view on this? I'm expressing my personal view because as I saw it from the agenda that was proposed, I knew that in general terms this was changing the final documents. So, I mean, obviously, if you want to present it to a climate change environment advisory committee, I'd be quite happy. I personally would be happy about that, but I can't speak for the others because I discussed it with them. Councillor Haleynge hasn't discussed this with me, and I understand what you're saying, Siobhan, but it is quite a big difference from what we've done before in terms of the applicants. On the face of it, I agree with it, but I would just like it to be passed, just would like the Community Environment Advisory Committee to see it and have their views on it as well. Can I suggest that it might therefore be appropriate if we as the grants committee, this is a recommendation that we're making to Councillor Williams, that we as the grants committee make some comments and a decision, and that's a recommendation to Councillor Williams, and then it is up to him if he wants to get further clarification and satisfaction from the Siobh committee. Sorry, Councillor Haleynge. I agree with that, Chair. I came here, you know, having read the paper, supportive of option one. I'm, you know, if I'd heard that Siak had seen and approved this, I would have had absolutely no hesitation. I don't have any hesitation, but I think there is a procedure. I think Siak needs to see it and approve it. I'm happy to go along the way that you suggest. Yes, I'm happy with that. I would like Siak to see it. I just wanted to know where the recommendations had come from, because although the general principle is the same, the approach is somewhat different with the community leaders being added in. That's something completely new. So that was what was behind my questions. So I would, I'm very happy for Councillor Williams to see it and then for Siak to give an opinion, but also for us today to give an opinion on what we've read in preparation for the meeting. I think that's fair. I seem to remember, I may be wrong, but I seem to remember that the first concept of this grant was done in conjunction with the Siak committee, because I think we had a joint meeting at the time. So it would seem that although further iterations of it have not gone before the Siak committee, that seems to me to be perfectly appropriate that they should be informed and consulted. Okay, so. Yeah, I will, I will be expect, it comes to me, if you, if you ask me to make that decision, I will ask for it to go before the Siak committee. That seems to be. Okay. Okay, so we sorted process. Now we need to look at Comet. And if there is anything members wish to say about the recommendation before we go towards a vote. Councillor Dolbyn. Yes, I like the idea of the community leader, and it seems as if that course was particularly good. And I'd really want to be sure that there was complete access to the, how would people get on to the course? How would one be chosen as a community leader? What would that mean? I'm sure that's all to be agreed and thought through, but it does sound like a good idea. And I just want to be sure that it will be rolled out across the district and as many communities as possible will be involved. Can I just have a, I was just going to say I very keen on the idea of a leader, but I didn't pick up anywhere how that leader was chosen and whether it was before an application came in or whether it was part of the application. Can I just clarify that with Siobhan? Yes, the community leader programme that ran as funded by round one, called Net Zero now by Cambridge Carbon Footprint, they put wide publicity around and people applied and were taken on that basis. So it's likely there would be places for anybody who wanted to be on that programme. So you could, you could not actually put an application in for funding for a project, but you could go on the leadership training. Absolutely. And then put a project in, maybe. Yes. Right, so in fact they're two separate things. The project is one thing and the training is another thing. Yes, that's right. Okay, fair enough. Councillor Hanley, sorry I'll cut you off. No, it's all right. No, I would echo what Councillor Daunton said. As I said earlier, option one is the one that I would be very happy to go with. Can I make one small point actually, which is actually not to do with the slight change of direction, but I've had a couple of people contact me about the Zero Carbon Grants, mystified as to what they do for community engagement. They, you know, if they're sort of putting a, I don't know, solar panels on a roof or something, they say to me, well that's for our community building, but how do we engage on that? I know that there is a link in the paper to some advice on that on the website. But I just, just a comment. I mean, could you make it, you know, more obvious to people how that works, you know, what they do for community engagement because it'll just save them from me. And if I can just come back on that, that actually the splitting of the themes into projects that are primarily about carbon reduction and projects which primarily about climate engagement, very much addresses that point. That some projects just don't lend themselves very well to, to the wider community engagement. Thank you. If you could just make it clear, that point clear to people, that would be really helpful. Thank you, Siobhan. Councillor Dolphin. So, I'm, I'm very glad to see the money will go into the community buildings for energy efficiency. And because we know in particular now because of what's happening more worldwide, the energy efficiency is going to become more important than ever. And I notice on page 18 a rather crucial sentence advice on planning permissions should be sought before applying for the grant. So I do think that many applicants are going to need some hand holding with that. And I hope that there will be sufficient capacity to do the hand holding if planning permission is needed. And also to give advice quite early on in the grant application that planning permission is needed because from experience that has proved difficult for communities. So that's my first point. My second point is to do with the help with planning permission is one thing. The second thing is just sort of help with the kind of scale of things that will make a difference. So I think some communities have applied for solar panels where it wasn't appropriate or a building wasn't ready for it or it should have been done at an earlier stage. So that I think that's a bit of hand holding at a very early stage and really engaging people saying if you're thinking of applying for a grant get in touch with us first before you do too much work. Thanks. Any other comments anybody wants to make. Anybody who's online. Right. So can we go to a vote about the recommendation please. So I think we do it by affirmation usually don't we as long as we're going for recommendation option one agreed. Yeah. Just sorry. That's to do with the six month period. So could we just have a bit of clarification on that. That's the six month review period after the 12 months. So just maybe if you could go over that again. So that is the projects would have 12 months to complete their projects after which they have to confirm with us that they have spent the money. And then they have a further six months where they can monitor the impact and the outcomes of the project. And then after that point we would expect the end of project report where they can set out the outcomes of the project where they have measured how it has engaged the community or had reduction in carbon emissions. OK. Thank you. I should add that those options are on page six of our notes set out there. I don't think there's anything else to vote on on that particular item. No. No. We have one lot of options at first and then another. So yes. I just want to be sure I haven't missed anything. OK. Can we then move on to the next item on the agenda which is community chest funding applications. That changes our picture to Emma. Hi. So on page 37 of your agenda pack, the first application that we're going to review is the Duxford Community Centre, which is a charitable incorporated organisation opened in 2014. It is owned by Duxford Parish Council and the trustees who run the building were involved in its initial planning. And they also helped to finance it through fundraising efforts. There's 23 and a half years remaining on the lease and they have approximately 36 members who helped to support local community activities. So the users of the community centres centre have exhausted all storage areas within the building. There is a suitable shared storage area within the building, but this currently contains items used by the community centre cafe. So by moving the cafe bins to outside, the cafe can relocate its equipment, thereby allowing the shared storage space to be freed up for use by other users of the building. And also, since the community centre charges fees of storage, the additional space will help generate income to support its various charitable functions. And the cafe will also be able to function more smoothly. So the funding of £2,000 is requested and this will be to provide a new screened in external bin storage area by extending the raised area between the back of the building and the tennis courts. The total project cost is £8,250 and the remaining £6,250 will come from the community centre's own funds. So just a little bit of detail about the work that's required. My apologies, please ignore the last three bullet points for somehow they've seemed to have required a bullet point so that's not part of the actual work wanting to be undertaken. So they would like to take out the existing stone gabions and railings. There will be digging of a trench providing concrete fittings in the building, the new retaining wall. Raising levels with hard core and creating a concrete path, making good the existing railing and installing two new gates and putting fencing along the new wall. We have parish council supports. They've issued a letter of support stating that the community centre is an essential aspect of village life. And it's very much hoped that it will continue to thrive for many years to come. In addition, since the 28th of July 2020, the parish council have contributed in total 8,658 to 26 to the building. They also paid for the community centre itself initially when it was built and its permanent fixed assets are at cost of in excess of £1 million. And basically to achieve this, they increased the preset and borrowed £700,000 on a long term low interest loan. What else? I think that's pretty much it. If any questions on this one? Any questions? Councillor Hanley? Only that the under parish council support, it said that it's going to be formalised on the 10th of February, presumably it was. Yes, yes, we will see that letter of that email since the application came through. So that was my little bit about the issue of the letter of support. So that has been formalised, yes. Are you content? Yes. Right, general contentment. Thank you very much Emma. So you're leading on to the next one. On page 37, we have Hayden Parish Council community-led plan subcommittee. So this is our first application for a community-led plan ring fence fund. And this is for the start-up costs of their community-led plan. The subcommittee was set up in May 2021 and consists of two members of the parish council and five members of the public. It's hoped that the community-led plan will not only set a direction for the parish council, but also help them to understand and respond to the wants and needs of the parishioners from a recreational, religious and demographic perspective. The plan will include conservation, climate change, planning and social needs. A little bit of activity has already started, including questionnaires, meetings and feedback sessions. And when the plan is completed, it will also include a landscape character assessment from a third party to reflect the special historical and archaeological nature of the parish. And once completed, the questionnaires, feedback responses, action plan and the plan itself will be accessible to the whole community through a variety of media, including the internet, social media, paper, flyers and face-to-face discussions. And the entire village will benefit as the action plan is implemented. They would like the maximum amount of funding of £2,000 to cover some of the following costs, which include flyers, publicity, questionnaires and workshops. So, the total amount of the project is estimated to be £10,373.57, and the parish council has a reserve budget of £8,350, excluding VAT for the project. But without this funding, they will be compromised on cash flow, so additional funding will be very much welcomed. And we've got member support from councillor Deborah Roberts. And obviously being a parish council, they're very supportive, so yep, over to you. Any comments, councillor Dawson? Yes, I'd just like to draw attention to the second paragraph where it said that parish council helped them to understand and respond to the wants and needs of the parishioners from a recreational, religious and demographic perspective. Now, we know that we can't fund any faith project, so I'm just wanting to understand what that means, a recreational, religious and demographic perspective. I've not actually seen any of these sort of initial sort of emails or anything with regards to what exactly is going to be included. This is what I've been told, so I don't know any more detail than what's been given here, I'm afraid. I think it mainly concentrates on the sort of demographic side of things, and obviously the sort of historical and archaeological nature of the parish is one of the big things that they are interested in with the chalk landscapes. So that's their main sort of objective as far as I understand it, but obviously I can clarify further if required. I suppose my initial understanding of that is that if you're looking at the whole needs of the parish, the established things like churches and chapels and things are a key part of that community, and maybe that's the inference there, that was what I took it to read rather than that it would be forwarding religious interests. I mean, we use our church and chapel very much as big halls, and it's very handy. Yeah, and actually with this initial consultation they have had six focus groups in the church in Hayden with displays about parish land, so they were very well attended. So I think it's sort of, you know, a lot of the community have been involved and are aware of the project. I don't want to make a particularly big point about it, but if there is other literature going out it might be worth just clarifying what's meant by that. Of course. Councillor Hamley, anything? No, I was slightly more relaxed about that. I just thought it was, as you said, just part of the community. So no, I'm happy with this application. Oh, sorry. Catherine? Okay, thank you. Sorry, my camera's not working, otherwise I would have put that on, that would have been easier for me to wave. Yes, I'd really just wanted to add to back up what you were saying, Councillor Ellington, that faith-based activity is one of the many topics covered by community-led camps, even as far back as when sort of Cambridge or Acre were doing this, and nationally that's one of the main sections, not just in terms of the buildings, but in terms of the activities that emanate from those different faith-based locations and groups. And the idea behind that is that obviously those groups can help promote community cohesion, so it's not something to overemphasise, but equally it's something that shouldn't be neglected when you're looking at doing a community-led plan. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, thank you. Okay, thank you, Catherine. I think that's really helpful to get that clarity, and I think if any documentation goes out, I think it is worth using a form of words similar to what you've just used now. I agree with you, it's very important in a community, so it would be worth mentioning that. I've just got one other question, Councillor Ellington, if that's fine. So in terms of the activities, it looks as if there's quite a lot of activities down here, and the core team of five people, they are the core team, but they're bringing in other groups as and when to help put this plan together, but the core team is five people who are running it. Yes, that would be the steering group, and then you have working groups that work and do the specific actions through the action plan. Okay, and presumably the community's team is able to provide any training or support to the core team. Exactly, we've got it all on our webpages at the moment, all the support that we can offer, and we've consulted and told all community groups of the offer that we can support them with, so yeah. Okay, thank you. Thank you very much. So by consensus, are we content with this? Content agrees. Yes, I'm sorry, I wasn't sure if I didn't want to miss you. Right, we're content. Moving on then Emma, please. Okay, page 39, we have Histon and Impington Communications. They are a community interest company started in 2018, and they publish free online, weekly news, information, community events, local jobs, planning applications and property for sale and let in the village. So the website, which also links to a live free feed from the Hi Hub website, contains a directory of local businesses and community groups and a what's on guide. Local residents have benefited from this resource by being able to further connect with their community and take advantage of the many services and facilities that are available to them. The company consists of a board of five directors and a team of volunteers, and what they want to do is they want to make their content more accessible to everybody in the village. And what they'd like is the purchase and installation of 250 inch digital notice boards, which is like a sort of TV screen, with floor to ceiling mounting to be placed in the road facing window of Histon Library. So one screen will be facing outwards and one will be inwards to maximise the amount of people that will notice them. And it's obviously of benefit to those people in the village that have no internet connection or mobile phone, so that they can keep up to date with what's going on. Total project cost is £5,060.90, of which £2,000 has been requested with us, with the Community Chest Grant Fund. £1,000 is now confirmed from the Parish Council, this was confirmed this week. And £2,000 has been applied to from the Cambridge Community Feltundation Open Fund, and £60.90 will be paid by HiHub. The library has already included the relevant cabling and also the power source in anticipation. And in addition, the software development costs will be provided for free by one of the HiHub web development board members. And just to note, a huge amount of in-kind contributions will be provided in creating the news and curating information to be streamed through the notice boards, and this will be an ongoing basis. They did say that if any of the applications such as the Cambridge Community Foundation were not successful and the money can't be raised, the project won't be able to proceed. We have support from councillors Martin Kahn, Pippa Hylings, and County councillor Ros Hathorn. And that's pretty much it. Any questions? Any questions? Councillor Lamb? Yeah, thanks Emma. Can you just explain to me what we do here? I mean, you've said that the Cambridge Community Foundation haven't taken the decision yet. So we would ordinarily wait until we hear that the full funding potential is there before we release our funding. Is that the way it works? I believe... I'm not... Catherine will probably be able to correct me a little bit more on this one, but I'm not sure. I don't know if... I don't know. Put my mic on. Sorry, I can come in there. We can usually send them a grant agreement, an awful letter that states that there is the caveat that if any of their other applications are not successful, and if therefore the project can't go ahead, then they must return the money. And we can give them reasonable timescales for that based on when they're expecting to hear about those other grants. And if that's acceptable to you, then as long as they get those other grants in, they will keep the money in procedure. We'll have it back. I would think that's the way to go. Sorry to put you on the spot, Emma. That's fine, so I'm supposed to be sure. Catherine Daltran? I think this has the makings of being a great project, and if it's successful, I can see it being rolled out elsewhere. The kind of information that easily accessible information in a public place that can easily be updated and increased. In the bigger villages, I can see this as being an important tool, actually. It's amazing how many elderly people don't have any access, and even young people, to be honest. And I think it's a great idea. So are we happy with this? You're happy, Bill? Yes, thank you, chair. Thank you. Can we move on to the last application, which is page 40, which is St Mary and All Saints Church in Willingham. They belong to the Diabetes of Ely, a Christian church. They have a church hall known as the Octagon, which is attached to the church building, and it's used for church activities and is also hired out to the general public. Public use is quite varied, includes art and craft projects, mother and baby groups, funeral wakes, bereavement groups, parish council meetings, children's parties and other family celebrations. The current church hall chairs are between 20 and 30 years old. They're well used. Many of them are now broken or damaged. So funding is required for 15 new stacking chairs and links between the chairs and also a trolley to transport them. So over the total project costs of $4,752.53. This is their cheapest quote. $1,752.41 is being requested through our community chairs grant fund. The remaining $3,012 has been raised through two recent community events and by donations. Obviously because of the church funding, the church side of things, the church haven't been contacted for a financial contribution because legally they cannot give to churches. And Councillor Handley, I know that you've seen the chairs, a recent parish council meeting and agreed that replacements would be suitable for an application to this fund. So yes, any questions? I think that's down to you and me, Claire. No, we have important chairs after meetings and I think if you're sitting on an old broken chair that's very uncomfortable that you can end up feeling pretty sore at the end of either an arts and craft session or a meeting. So I'd be very much in favour of this and although it's a church and we can't give money to churches, I've persuaded that it is used for a wide variety of community groups. And in many places the church or the church hall is the only place that the community can get together. That's not entirely true in Willingham. They do have quite a number of large halls but nonetheless this is well used and it's one of the things that I found in this application I needed to just think through whether it was adequately used by other organisations in the village and not just those that were connected to the church. And I am satisfied that in fact it is that the octagon is used and is as separate building as it were from the church, although it's attached to it. So a very pleasant building I must say, it's a lovely building to be in. So yes, do you? I just want to clarify the comment that I said that I thought it would be suitable. I think what I actually said was something like it's worth a go. I don't think I gave them the game set or that it would definitely be an agreed application. So I just wanted to clarify that. I thought it was, I encouraged them to apply but you know, that's all. I think we all support our villages when they ask, don't we? So I'm content if you're content. Yes, it's a really nice building. No, you wouldn't. No, you don't feel that you're in the church. So we are agreed that we will recommend John as long as he's happy. All right, he's happy. What are you? Moving on. I think I've come to the end of this agenda. Yeah, notes date for the next meeting is the 25th March at 10 am. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you to the officers and members. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. In done.