 Gwelwch i'n meddwl am ddaeth, mae'n fflawn i'n meddwl ar y ddwylo. Felly mae'n gwaith i'n meddwl am gweithio eu cyfnodol, Neil McGovern, a Neil Bitts yw Neil. Cysylltu'n meddwl, i fi allan. Felly mae'n byw'r gyffredinol yma ar gyfer y llunio, mae'n meddwl i'n meddwl i'n meddwl a'i gydag o'r meddwl o'r meddwl. Oherwydd mae pob i'n meddwl i'ch meddwl i gydag o'r meddwl. Gweithio y gallwn yn fawr i'r ffordd. Mae'n meddwl i'r llwyddiant a'r llawd yma, felly mae'n ddysgu'r llwyddiant. Mae'r llwyddiant yn mynd i'r llwyddiant. Mae'n meddwl i'n meddwl 9 am o'r llwyddiant a'r llwyddiant. Felly, rydyn ni'n meddwl i'r llwyddiant ond mae'n meddwl i'r llwyddiant. Felly, rydyn ni'n meddwl i'r llwyddiant. Yn y ddweud o'r ffordd yma, efallai yma yw'r tynnu regu cellg? Felly, yw ychydig yn rhan cofnodiwch. Felly, mae'n rhan cofnodiwch adahau ar ddoddegad Covid, a oedd yn rhan rhaid fygirio'i cael ei ff amiddol. Mae'r gweithio fryd hyn. Felly, mae'n fawr i'r llawd i'r llwyddiant wedi bod ni'n meddwl i'r llwyddiant. Felly, ar y gweithiau ymddinkol, rydyn ni fiddor 383 o pob oMynd oed archiwyr i'n mynd i'r llwyddiant. yn ymgyrchol, fel yw'r newid yn ymddangos, ond rwy'n ysbyty, rwy'n ysbyty, ar y dyma, yn ymgyrchol a'r wyf i'w ddweud. A rwy'n ddim bod nhw'n gymryd arfer ynddoedd yw ymddangos ymddangos yma. Yn ymwneud hynny, ymgyrchol yma, ymgyrchol ymgyrchol yma a'r ymgyrcholi a'r cyfwyr llei'r cyflwyno i'r gwir, I'r berthynas o ni'n pwysig yng Nghebyd, a'r ffwyr mewn bethau cyfun iawn, ac neu'r peirgynno. Fyaf nhw'n mynd i enghraffydd arall at oeddach yna wedi'i gweithio ac yn ym 52 rhaid a'r gweithio gweithio. Hym ni'n debyg yr adwyster cyfnodol gyda'r gwrthod i'r niacol, rydyn nhw'n credu i'r teimlo o'r rhaid credu ni'n cael ei ddweud a hynny'n cyffrediol. Mae yna'r fformerol. A制ll gweld ar addr. ac mae'r 40 ac 22 o'r newydd yn gweithio'r cwyrddau. Yng Nghymru yma'r hwn, ydych chi'n gweithio'r arfer. Fawr iawn i'r ffordd gyda'r un i'n ddweud. Yn ddweud, mae'n fawr iawn i'n ddweud. Yn ddweud yw'r ddweud o'n ddweud na ddweud i'r ddweud yn gyflwyng amddangosol, fawr iawn i'n ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud, Mae'n gwneud bod yma o'r rhai bwysig a'r gwaith yn ddweud o'r holl ymddangos. Mae'n olygu i fi. Mae'n gweithio arfer o'r cyflwyno'r cyflwyno'r cyflwyno'r cyflwyno'r cyflwyno'r cyflwyno. Mae'n ddim gweithio ar gyflwyno a'r cyflwyno'r cyflwyno. Mae'n gweithio allan o'r cyflwyno. Ychydig yn ddweud. Mae'n gweithio! A'r Rhys Ros, yn fwy, yw yw'r cyflwyno? Yn y cyfnod, maen i eich teimlo i fynd i'ch yn adeiladau Debian a dweud yn cael iawn i chi'n gweithio gan gael, felly mae'n ffordd i chi'n gweithio i ddim yn gweithio i chi'n gweld i chi i gael. Mae'n bod gennym o'n llwythio'n cyfnod o'r maen i fi'n gweithio, oherwydd o'n cyfnod o'r maen i chi i'n cyfnod o'r maen i fi'n gweithio i'r llwythio'n cyfnod o'r llwythio'n cyfnod. a ydych chi'n gwaith o'n ffordd? Mae'n mynd i ddweud... Mae'n mynd i ddweud... Well, I think, I think in the Switzerland, Debkopf, there might have been something in the water because it's suddenly been a huge effort, but it's absolutely fantastic and it's really fantastic to see not only unusual developers around, but their families as well and new people being introduced to to Devin and to technology. The tech kids workshops I think are an absolutely fantastic initiative that really helps broaden Devin and what we do. When I first came to DPL, I always knew Devin was a big thing in free software in the communities and things we do, but I went along to my running club and we went for a run, went to the pub afterwards, as you do in the UK, can't have support without excessive alcohol consumption afterwards so it seems and about seven or eight people all came up to me and said hey congratulations on being DPL I'm going to buy you a pint and which... which is great. So if anyone wants to run for DPL you get free beer, this is a good thing. But it does really impress on me that Devin's a big deal and it's a really huge deal if we have a look at some of the latest server stats for web servers Devin's number one it's about 32% of Linux distributions and if you combine Ubuntu as well and all our derivatives we're above 62% of all Linux servers out there. So we really basically Devin really does run the world. There's not only that but the amount of embedded devices that Devin's involved with from, as mentioned before the HP taught from running huge teleco systems to assistive devices I know Andy's around somewhere new and that product is essentially being based on Debian and it's a essentially a speak and spell type device so it's for people who can't talk you have a little keyboard you type in what you want to say technology in there and then it gives people a voice so Debian is literally being used to give people voices who can't speak and this is the sort of impact that that Debian can have and that free software can have on the world so a few things happened certainly over the last year apparently we released so I was only DPL for about a week but I'm going to take credit for this like any good politician anyway in post for a week and I already had a stable release this was hugely welcomed I don't know if anyone followed the DevOps tumbler page or something but they were following along and huge cheers from everyone when Debian releases it is a big deal strangely I also saw a press release that said they're having a party to celebrate the release of Debian 8 at Linux Fest Northwest but this press release was from Microsoft I thought it might be a spoof at first by diligently check the certificates and the domains and made sure it went back I think people are certainly large organisations are realising now that this open source free software thing isn't going away this isn't something that they can just ignore it's something that they have to embrace and certainly for someone like Microsoft to throw away a load of cake and do a press release because Debian's release is something I never thought I'd see when I first joined the Debian project and we've had some new good things which has started recently as well so fantastic areas if anyone knows what this might be for a current initiative that's going on trying to do reproducible builds they all sort of look the same so near enough it's the nearest I could find on Flickr to something being reproducible these are all CC by the way fantastic things so this is perhaps a bit of a better slide to explain just how impressive it is where we've got so I don't know if everyone's here is aware of reproducible builds and what this is trying to do and the importance of it when you get a source package and you produce a binary from that there hasn't traditionally been a way of knowing that what you produced here comes from this source package and it hasn't been tampered with this is incredibly important if you are fought for the trust that people have in Debian and how we produce things and so if we're able to say look this thing here has definitely come from here look we've rebuilt it again you can check for yourself it comes from here then people can trust Debian as this platform for where we run everyone's computers and I just quite impressive the remarkable progress we've seen here from zero to a huge share of things being reproducible and that work I'm sure will continue especially thanks to the Linux foundations grants as well and supporting this progress I did a ask me anything recently and it was one of the things that came up as being a hugely popular thing that Debian is doing and that we're driving forward not just for Debian itself but for all distributions and making sure we're able to do that interesting I was also asked what I'm most jealous of of other distributions and I think I said the arch wiki because it is pretty good often when I'm on hash Debian and answering questions then it comes up with the best answers of the time but hey I'm rubbish at writing documentation so another effort we've come up is DDEBS ability to automatically have debug symbols something which few other distributions have had for a while and it's really good to see that this sort of effort is happening as well if Nils is around well done not the only one but so what's next what's the next things that Debian can do where can we go from here and what sort of ideas can we have there's a whole range of things we can do but I'm just going to pick up two or three that want to kind of concentrate on and see where we're going first PPAs it's near enough package that'll do me so I've got a buff scheduled on Friday to try and look what we're doing with this and trying to finish off it was in my platform was something I want to push and it's something I believe that will really help the development of Debian now it's slightly different from Ubuntu PPAs as they're well known it's not going to be somewhere that you can just dump random software and people install various quality packages this is going to be a very useful tool to aid Debian development itself so as far as I remember most of the work is actually done now huge thanks to the FTP masters and DSA et cetera for this so the actual code is there in the back the only missing bits are the control functions so how you create new PPAs and the want to build system and how we basically build stuff and touch releases so it is going to hopefully come any minute now and something that we hopefully will be able to use and will ease the sometimes the pain of when we freeze sometimes the ability to easily create back ports or even to ease library transitions if you can create a PPA where you stage your library, check everything works and you can fix all your breakages then that should help unstable testing as well one on outreach I guess is near enough so it's kind of interesting I've always mentioned that Debian is in a huge position to touch many people's lives and it was slightly worrying that compared with the amount of Jesse release parties we had all over the world I video called one into one in India for example and it was globally popular but all of our sprints have been in Europe so we haven't had some in North America we haven't had any in South America and there's huge areas here we can really try and push and bring free software to help push Debian to be the go-to place in various countries rather than keeping it a Europe or sometimes even North American market and Debian is in a great place because we are a community distribution we try and aim to be the universal operating system someone that anyone can come along, join help out in whatever way they want to be it packaging or doing wonderful press work for example not mentioning that press work at all she's not even looking at me she's going to volunteer to do more press work in future again so it's an area that people can get involved in really easily and because we're distributed because we work online so it's natural that people can come and join us and we should encourage that and we should try and reach out and try and reach more people third area final one here is around accessibility it's kind of a sad fact that free software is about 10 years behind proprietary and commercial offerings there's a reason that iPhones are hugely popular with people who need accessibility options they are just fantastic compared with what you can get normally I don't believe that it's right that people should have to use proprietary software which they pay for to access computing and to access the web and to be able to explore what we all have we should be able to put in effort so there's certainly an area which we can really make a difference to people and try and drive forward to bring computing to everyone rather than just those who are fortunate enough to be able to see a screen well or be rich enough to be able to pay for a license or buy a computer or a system from a proprietary company there is no reason to do this we are able to speak and work directly with people who require accessibility features and let those people help design it in a way that is much easier than any proprietary company so it's an area that I think we can try and sort of help push quite a bit and so finally just a bit of a huge thank you from me really it was about so I've been involved with Debian since about 2001 or so and doing loads of different roles so originally doing the web apps policy which never really got beyond draft because web apps are terrible terrible things that don't really work with distributions that well but then with Joey Hess doing testing security team eventually that led into many many years of release management and then many years of being release manager as well and then after that I was and then I found me at and found out I could write a press release and then wrote me into doing bits there but after that I was sort of feeling a bit I don't know I found out I didn't really know what else to do with the project and I think this sort of happens to everyone and it's a huge reminder each time of when I come to debcom and I meet people and how fortunate I am and we all are to be involved with such a fantastic project something that really is changing people's lives something that is breaking the traditional proprietary market and enabling people to have greater access to computing and it's really fortunate that I'm in a position to to help lead this project and to do everything for you finally as I think I mentioned I think Phil Hans if he's probably not around is he around probably has a small child trying to throw up on him for anyone who saw the morning announcements today he did kind of joke that the next DPL hustings then he can just write a autoresponder bot to any questions which is that sounds interesting I look forward to seeing the results so so I I think it's something that we should be able to try things so if anyone has any ideas stuff they want to do Debian has the money let's go and try some stuff if we want to sprint to to work on accessibility in say in Hong Kong because there's a huge issue there or to improve our localisation then let's do that we have the money to do it we have hopefully and certainly the interest around so let's go and try things as a promised I thought I'd keep it nice and short so as everyone seemed to be getting hungry so I guess so I can leave a bit about Q&A if anyone had any questions or wanted to put me on the spot about anything or random thoughts anyone had then certainly be very happy to answer any of those or someone has to be first otherwise my timing is really really out oh good lucky me hello what's your name and where are you from yeah there you go on what is your single highest highest preference what is your highest priority thing that you think we should all be working on getting the next table release out to be honest this is what we do as a distribution we release things we make software we give it to our users Debian is famed for its stability we backport our security fixes people can rely on Debian they can trust us to produce a rock solid distribution something that people can in some cases yes derive works from if they don't like what we're doing they can tweak it there was the huge thing that came up when dev1 came up saying oh we're going to fork Debian it's like fine there's over 120 forks of Debian out there already that's fine please come and do this we're happy with that being able to produce this reliable stable operating system that we only release when we're ready which happens to apparently be about every two years now is something that everyone relies on us to be able to do and they can trust us to produce that for them so essentially putting out releases is one of the main reasons we're here to get that software into the hands of users there's loads of other stuff of course which we can do to try and improve and push forward free software in general but we are essentially a distribution our aim is to collect software and then distribute it and one of the best way to do that is releases good answer good good go on anything about Debian for those that didn't hear that I'm not allowed to say releases I'm apparently not to say the kilt as well because it's unfree beer it has to be the people that I'm involved with I mean the project has enabled me to meet so many awesome people and basically have the career I've had so far as well there's always been a thing about being involved visibly with an open source project that not only that helps you professionally as well so I got my first job because I was involved with free software I then got my next job because I was a Debian developer and could put together Linux systems easily and knew how to munge these various crazy different projects which were written in 100 different libraries using different compatibilities together to make something whole and then my current job I got because essentially I was involved in doing management type functions in Debian and it's as a say to people when they ask how can you where's the money in free software how can I create a career with it it's basically it's very easy get stuck in go and do something find something interesting that interests you and that you're able to be the world expert at and you can do that and on entirely personal view some of my closest friends are with Debian people I've worked with for many many years and I certainly wouldn't have moved to my current city or know half the people I do if it wasn't for that it is the Debian family is a large one that occasionally gets together at Debcon from Christmas and sometimes has huge blow up arguments possibly over the turkey or the init system something like that but but we do all come together so I mean we have huge contentious decisions but we're still here so we've had huge arguments with everyone trying to stab each other at the end of the day but we're still here all the Debian project and sort of like that it's something we love to be associated with and it's everyone around that really makes that Thank you Anyone else? No? I'll just stop it Backups are really really important we should definitely concentrate on backups So what's the biggest risk to Debian UC in the 5-10 year span? I think something we need to be cautious of not necessarily a risk and something that I think will harm Debian is essentially a return to the past so you have now the containers, dockerisation etc Are we teaching people that it's okay to go to a random web page and download your app from there and then install it Are you going to get any security updates for that? Is that going to be integrated? How are you going to work with that? Along with that comes a a risk that we return to non-free web services so in the olden days you had the guru who was in charge of the main frame and only certain users if they were very lucky could access it through their special terminals that they were allowed to do or now you have the gurus of the web service and you can only access it through your mobile phone restricted that you can only talk to it how they want to the use of free software and making sure we're able to control what we do with our computing is something that has been the fundamental driving force behind what we all do and the very tenants of free software and I think there's that risk especially now as free software is becoming more mainstream that people realise oh there's some stuff over here great we can use that but perhaps not being as educated as people involved before about the fundamentals on your rights and how you can use it there's a huge opportunity as well for Debian to help shepherd that changing to make sure we are able to restrict it but I do think that there is a risk there that unless we're vigilant and we make sure that we keep those hard-earned rights then we're going to return to an era which we aren't essentially just just the consumer we don't have any control thank you another question from this side so for Debian also although we are all free and open and we are pushing frontiers but so far we are playing largely by industry rules let's say we have our trademark policy so nobody could use Debian more than their products to protect how our presentation out there that's what current policy states today I've heard about already so many derivatives H-Linux, I saw all those FSF acknowledged distributions which are also many of them are based on Debian I think it would only benefit us if any of those were Debian HP or some other name which has Debian in it visibility that means a lot so actually if we were more open and more accessible to those derivatives just in terms of using our name we would have been in better place because more people would have known about Debian that's why I wonder where else could we push our openness frontiers to get away from what kind of industry culture fostered in us and maybe it would be for our benefit so in terms of the well in terms of the trademark it was always kind of interesting to me that originally we had a logo that was non free and we had a special use logo only for developers that no one knew what it was and if you put it somewhere no one would know what this little bottle is because everyone uses the open one in terms of our trademark people can use it, just need to ask and we give license granted around there is a boff tomorrow at 11 and then another one at 3 as well around trademarks and how we deal with it I'm I'd be keen to have for example Debian from HP as a brand there's nothing wrong with that, it's obviously it's not official Debian but it's obvious that it's based on us and where it's come from the use of the word Debian is descriptive and it should be quite clear I'm fairly happy for people who want to do that just email trademark team and we can set that up but I certainly recommend anyone who's kind of interested in where that trade off lies is to come along at 11 tomorrow I think the title of the talk is something around what we can call official Debian or Debian or Debian derived or based on Debian as well but yeah I mean it makes sense right so we have instead of so for example instead of H Linux if we had a a different policy it could have been Debian from HP or Debian for the machine edition or something like that we can do something like that and that emphasises I think how much Debian is used everywhere and the basis of it basically being Debian everywhere but with some tweaks and that's fine Exactly my point now it's not happening because explicitly policy states that it shouldn't be unless you contact us it's all those you know what is allowed by default or even if we stated that just use our name right tomorrow 11 tomorrow 11 well it's just easy we could disagree with the trademark law I personally do but we can always say we think the law is shit and we just don't follow it and don't have a trademark one point I disagree with doing that or say well yes we need to follow the rules because we can't make the global laws we could make a good noise and I think we do that so it's kind of interesting here we have a look at some of these overreaches in trademark or overreaches in copyright or patents that we've had that's hugely damaging but as we've seen recently on Sourceforge with things being distributed with extra add-ons or things without permission then we can have problems there by not using that I mean I'm fairly confident that there is at least some people in Debian who think that copyright should just be abolished and everything should be free but then you don't get copy left so where do we draw the line as free software advocates we rely on strong copyright law to be able to protect our user freedoms rather than locking it up so there is that line there you have to try and use especially as Bradley was saying all the tools we can to try and help and push forward our user freedoms rather than saying just because we don't particularly like some uses of this law doesn't mean that we can't find a way to use it to our advantage and basically turn it around turn it on its head and like we've done with the GPL and like we've done with free software to really drive things forward and upset industry in that way that this protectionist system that was put in place was never designed to do I think there's a lot of forks going on in the free software world anyway and it's rather uncommon that the name is taken over regardless of trademark law so I don't really think the name would be taken over by the forks if we didn't have the trademark on TVN yeah certainly in terms of forks but when you have a when you have a project that wants to recognise that it's basically Debian we should make it fairly easy for them to be able to do so so a slightly tweaked version or a Debian blend or something like that we should be able to allow the Debian mark to be used to describe where it has come from and if it's 99.9% Debian then we'd say a new kernel or a back ported package here and everywhere then I mean if you you saw basically hold it up to the light and go yes that looks exactly like Debian to me it's not that much of a problem I don't think for us to be able to say for people to just use the word Debian to describe what it actually is because it's Debian of course forks if they completely change everything then that's different but that's why we can review this and one of the reasons we we wanted to do this licensing this permission based thing so if something does go horribly wrong and it does completely change we can just not renew the permission a lot of these derive distributions write it on the website quite clearly or really so I think the only downside has been the amount of people running Mint or Ubuntu coming to the hash Debian IRC channel and going oh this PPA doesn't work I've talked to them about that but cool any more questions as a handy hint it's now dinner time so since I've already been asked the question once this year I figured it's only fair to ask you yes it's a little early to be thinking about this perhaps but are you going to run for re-election when I decided to stand I saw taking a view it's like do I think I can do a good job for the project and I can provide value for the project and I think the answer was yes and apparently quite a few people agreed and then I found myself waking up with this slightly terrifying job kind of interestingly a lot of the DPL job is talking to other organisations like Free Software Foundation SFLC SFC the Nome Advisory Board you've run that you get contact from lots of people and I said in a couple of the interviews I did is that again in a in a year's well in six or so months I'm going to have a look again say do I still think I can do a really good job for the project and is there anyone else who I think is going to do a better job for the project if there is then they can do it if I do think I can do that then I'll stand again if there's things I think I can I can help provide and help push for then yes but I certainly don't have any yes I'm going to do this for this year and this for this year happy to try and see if I can be this is the latest way I think I can help Debbie and help the project as I haven't actually packaged anything in about four years or something like that packaged something yesterday yesterday and it got rejected from you twice and it was only like a simple back port as well I've got the version numbers wrong and then the suite wrong so I don't do that anymore it's a bad idea anyone else everyone's getting hungry well thanks very much everyone thanks for coming out hopefully it's been mildly amusing or something at least go get some food thanks very much