 It's time for us to go through the papers this morning on the breakfasts on Plastivio, Africa. We have Tunde Kola Walee. He doesn't stand by, he joins us via phone. Let's go to have you join us this morning. Tunde Kola Walee. That's right. Let's start off with the leadership newspaper. And on the leadership, the board headline reads, APC acts for extra time to tackle security challenges. Is that not interesting? That's what you find boldly written on the leadership this morning. As bandits go bazaar attacks, Buhari's convoy on advance trip to Katsina kills five abducts, cars, and Kaduna villages. Gunmen kill two policemen, abduct Chinese inquirer in Katsina. As a writer, you find on Tunefi caption on the leadership and PDP says no plan to buy votes in 2023 elections. Does that mean that, you know, there used to be vote buying? It's the PDP saying that they have been involved in vote buying. When you say you have no plans to buy votes, have you been buying votes prior to this time? Okay. You have banditry, Katsina shots, 69 primary healthcare facilities, and CSOs blame lingering fuels, scarcity on impunity and corruption, just as you have those who have been saddled. I mean, you have men who've been summoned, minister of finance, the CBN governor amongst others, and they refuse to show up to answer some questions. Ash Papi U.S. Court fixes September 21 for judgment. And that's what it is. COA says, issues around my certificate politicized. Again, I don't threaten to cancel any election disrupted by hoodlums. Who are hoodlums and who are these hoodlums? And I just can actually find, but we move away from that one. We also have the punch newspaper this morning. And on the front page of the punch newspaper, the caption reads, COVID-19 cases jumped by 67% in two weeks. Lagos, NMA, and NERD once again, laxity, demand protective measures. Coronavirus, not on holiday. I mean, we all thought coronavirus is on holiday. It's still around, says the virologists and a group. The riders you find underneath the board caption on the punch, terrorists attack Buhari's advanced team and kills two policemen. Like how the punch caption said, Lagos, Kano, FCT, Ogun, Leed, telecom, subscribers growth. State chairman rejects weak case camps anti-IU sport. Another headline says the NSIA, foreign firm, signs $50 million anti-cabin deal. Debt inflation for Fawricks killing economy. LCCI warns the federal government. Debt inflation and Fawricks are responsible for where the economy is. What economy is what you want to ask? Is it the entire economy of the country or the legal economy? Subsidy probe revs someone's emphily and silver and carry. It didn't show up. It didn't show up. Presidential poll, OB, Kwan-Kawso, negotiations dead. You also find another caption saying gone men, abduct Chinese, acquire quarry and kill policemen. 1,300 Kano intending pilgrims still stranded. Why? Lagos couple lose four children to midnight fire. Very unfortunate and Kanda's own door pastor arrested for alleged abduction. The headlines you find this morning on the punch newspaper. Quickly we'll move our attention from the punch and let's find out what's making it big on the nation newspaper this morning. We care rejects one-on-one pally with article over crisis. Reavis Governor's acts team to negotiate with presidential candidates and that's partly written away from that. You find Oshoon 2022, please boss not sat APC essay drums of support for Osho Bumwana coins against violence and ZLP candidate alleged pre-election vote buying. Really. And traveling Buhari's guards and gone batter with bandits. The unfortunate incident happened yesterday. Judge sat for dissolving marriage and marrying women. Government kill please inspector of Chinese inquire. How to vet another recession by LCCI. They have talked about, we're talking about the chambers of commerce. That's the Lagos chambers of commerce and industry. So putting out that recipe for it. They've also blamed it on inflation and debt and also foreign exchange. But that's it this morning on the nation newspaper. And we also have the daily independent newspaper. We just run through the big headlines here and on the daily independent. We care because soft pedal and agree to work for articles victory. So different perspective right here. You have party charges Nigerians to vote APC out. Presidential guards fall attack on Buhari's advanced team to Daurah. Ahead of the Salah celebration. 27 years after federal government considers establishing new Nigeria's shipping line. And oil industry on the seed from multiple fronts. OPEC boss is quoted. You have missing certificate. I made second best result in 1976. It's quoted to say I don't know if I existed in 1976. In security, federal government can vast state's cooperation on ranching. And SIA signs a $50 million cabin reduction deal with Netherlands firm. Find a more interesting conversation surrounding all of that. And we quickly take this. 5G development concerns over health hazards. Continues as NCC reassures Nigerians. You also have, we have devised ways of rendering thugs. Useless during pause. INEC is quoted to say. I mean, should I be saying this because, you know, it's more like it's a security issue. But and it's too much of information. Community issues, seven day automaton to SDPC over rent. The headline she found this morning on the front pages of a national deal is has been made available by our newspaper vendor. We turn quickly to our guests who joins us via phone this morning. Tunde Kola Wale is going to have you join us. Tunde Kola Wale. All right, then let's go straight to the crux of the matter. On the leadership, the APC is asking for an extra time to tackle security challenges in Nigeria. How do you respond to this? I think that the APC led by President Mohammed Buhari in 2015. It's very strong on security, which was one of the, you know, we're talking about on which grounds the APC won the election. Security, economy and the fight against corruption. Well, I honestly think in my own words, it's a very shameful thing for the APC to be requested for additional time to tackle the insecurity that we have in the land. If you look at our history, you will find out that this insecurity began more than 10 years ago. And after this 10 years, the APC has been in government for about 10 years. So if they have the wherewithal to tackle the insecurity, I would want to argue that the 10 years that they have been in power is more than enough to address this insecurity. For other than the security challenges that they face, we have found out it is now escalating. Previously, it used to be confined to the northeast of the country. Now, no part of Nigeria is safe. It was boiling. The south is boiling. The activities of our unemployed youth is also creating very, very serious insecurity for the ordinary citizens. I'm talking about the menace of the Okada riders and the influence of people from different parts of the country into Lagos. If you know the number of people that have been lynched, all of them got mailed or attacked in traffic robbery and the slapping of bags, telephones and water bills. You will agree with me that Lagos, which is the most secure part of the country, is also now on fire. For me, I'm not too sure that the APC has a solution for the insecurity that we have in the land. Before now, there are also ideals that towards the Okada supply to them and certain weapons are provided to them by the American government. And some of the other government for where they put this equipment, they will be able to rein in the rural and the urban band that are terrorizing Nigeria's system. But low and low, some of these equipment have been delivered for their things to grow solutions for the insecurity in the land. The APC should please, in my own opinion, turn their requests to the Marines, maybe the Marines will grant the request. For the Nigerian people, 10 years or 30 years of APC government is enough time to have waited for solutions to the insecurity. Except we want to turn the country to the one that, that is what we will be saying, will be given in the political part here. What is the APC or the PDT for more times to address insecurity? Well, so Tunde Kola, do you think that time is actually a challenge? Because you're asking for time. And I know you have mentioned that seven years plus and counting, we're almost saying eight already. Time is not a challenge. Time is a challenge. So if time is not a challenge of tackling the issue of insecurity in Nigeria, especially when this was a strong point for this government to come on board, what then is the challenge? Absolutely. Time is not the issue. So what's the issue? The fundamental issue is this. It's only when you take advantage of the issue of war. The security people, the man on board of the union are already aware. Secondly, Nigeria is a country that nobody wants to die for. There is the absence of patriotism. And the reason why there is the absence of patriotism is not perfect. When you see the politicians behave the way that they are behaving, it will be difficult to convince an average Nigerian person to go into the fields and lay down his life. Even when he does this, he is not a little bit of a member. His family is never going to get asked for. And the politicians are not likely to change in the ways and manner they are mismanaging the resources of the country. That is one. Secondly, I would want to say that the politicians in the post in town, where they are dangerous for the insecurity that we have in the land. You know, I keep emphasizing that there is two sides to this insecurity. There is the urban insecurity and the rural insecurity. That the Bukwaram, that the kidnappers and the Catholic class are being engaged in. When you look at the Bukwaram, for example, it started in the northeast of the country. And at the time, the Bukwaram was really suddenly ahead. The governor of the state at that period in time even made two of their men, commissioners in his government. One was commissioner for inter-religious relations. Why did the other one was in charge of the finance? If you also study critically, most of the leading political parties that we have in the country today, all of them have private armies. Or let's call it a military group that helps them to enforce whatever they want to impose on the people. They have military groups that help them to rig elections. And on a daily basis, these military groups have been power, financially, materially, and otherwise. So if you're going to defeat the insecurity, the first thing that I would have to be taking is to... Tunde, let's also look at, you have mentioned, I mean, the point you started with is the fact that you have the personnel being overwhelmed by what's going on. But some people differ. I mean, the argument out there is that it's not that the personnel are overwhelmed or you have persons who are not trained because you have also, on the other hand, seeing lack of trained personnel to tackle the insecurity situation that we're faced with. But people are really saying that there's no political will to solve the problem, especially when you have the president as the commander-in-chief of the armed forces. Do you agree with this school of thoughts? Well, some of the points you have mentioned are contributing factors. But the fundamental factors are what I think I have highlighted. The political will is one. If you have a presidency that is not mobile, that is unable to think out a proper solution or that is indulgent for the insecurity activities that is taking place in the country, that's of course the issue of political work or calming. With regard to training and manpower, I don't think that it's an issue. Why do I say it's not an issue? If you look at the performance of the Nigerian security forces, when they were fighting Nigeria, especially the UN mission, the violence combatants made up, the violence distinguished them. Nigerians were in Nigeria, they were in Sierra Leone, they were in Sudan. Some of them were in Rwanda and they came back with morale. Generals rank and fight distinguished themselves. I need to say the issue of personal health. It's 10 years of this insecurity, not enough to have trained the Nigerian security people on the way and manner to handle the attack on Rurak Bolila once they have, that's the outcome they have. I don't think that it's enough to train them. Alright. Tunde Kola, what a great insight that you've provided but we need to move away for the want of time so we're able to look at all the issues on the papers this morning. Quickly before we look for the key to COVID-19, you have on the punch newspaper, Rep summons over, you know, the daily consumption, what the country, the speaker of the house of representative, had summoned the minister of state for petroleum resources and the governor of the central bank of Nigeria as well as the group managing director of the Nigerian national petroleum corporation following their refusal to the investigative hearing on the actual daily consumption of premium motor spirit in Nigeria which is called petrol. Now, if you also look at the punch newspaper this morning, it talks about civil society blaming the lingering fuel scarcity on impunity and corruption. What are your thoughts on this? Well, I agree with the civil society group that corruption, impunity and lack of political will is responsible for the challenges of our inability or our inability to manage the petroleum sector in a very present and decent manner so as to yield the best resource for the average Nigerian people. For the truth of the matter, the efficiency as a government is not in the position to probe the challenges that we have in that sector because if they do, some of their men will be part of the couple in the challenges that we have in the other sector. So, for example, they may feel that they are mentioning, initially, it was a leg advantage to contest the presidential election. I mean, to contest to be the president of the APC during the recent APC convention. The implication of that is that the man is a Karkali member of the APC and if you have a Karkali member of the APC, mismanaging the facilities that the sector will be given is very important. What is the APC government going to do to him? As much as they can do to him, you can do the exact check or the critical approach that the APC has tried to carry out in the House of Representatives and in the Senate have always been a vortex. Say for example, they have come to probe the Nigerian Development Commission. Say for example, they have come to probe the National Emergency Relief Agency. Say for example, come on the other hand to probe the pension office. All of them have come to nothing. Say for example, they have the desire to probe the Nigerian Army. When the National Security Advisor said the Army Generals have been mismanaging the funds that are made available to buy arms and ammunition. What became of that probe? In my own opinion, it's a mere waste of time for the APC or anybody to have the APC so start probing the funds of these things. It's been done in the past. It didn't give any designer results. The House of Representatives, I was talking about the hearing that they refused to show up to ascertain the daily consumption of the country. How much do we consume as a nation? You have stated what you think. You don't need to be out of breath to ascertain the nature of whatever we consume. That's not the case. There was an investigative hearing that they did not show up for and that's why there has been someone. However, we need to move away from that. Look at the nation newspaper. It's about the governor of the river state and the PDP crisis that some people say is still lingering. So you have on the Daily Independence, V.K. and his backers soft pedaled and agreed to work for Attico's victory. Now, on the other hand, you have the nation saying V.K. rejects one-on-one pally with Attico over crisis. What exactly is going on here with this paper? This way, it's not impossible that we can see from the very picture about the way it was treated or undermined during the PDP convention when we are fired to be the flag bearer of the PDP. The man spent a lot of money, he spent a lot of energy, he went around the country and he got a short answer from different quarters that were going to vote for him. But at the last minute of the convention, the rug was removed from under his feet when the governor of the local state, Alagia Minotambua, helped them for Attico, which is less of the way for Attico to win the race for the presidential flag bearer of the PDP. I think we can see not happy about that. Furthermore, if we choose to have a one-on-one with Alagia Attico, I am of the opinion that that is very, very unjust humanly. If you are within the same political party, and the party to whom you are not in an election is inviting you to a party, I actually want to agree that the owners should lie with you to also make peace. Look at the way Mr. Kewatu Kinobu speaks after the convention of the APC. He went around all those who contested against him, trying to solicit their support, appeal to them, assuage their anger, and then assure them that the APCC is family. And that in the presence of all of them as contestants, as a political party, and as a nation, they require to work together to win the next election. I actually want to say that is the way a statement should be made, and not the way Mr. Uke is behaving. If Uke doesn't work with Attico, if the PDP don't solve their problem before the next election, they will just hand over the election and the victory at the 2003 election to the APC on the platter of gold, which is not going to be too good for the PDP, for the Alankan Fires, and for the Nigerian people. We want to see a very safe competition based on ideas, based on ideology, based on the quality of persons that are flying the flag of the different political parties and not to hand over the race to the APC on the platter of gold. Okay. We also have the punch news people here. I mean, it talks about COVID-19. COVID-19 cases dropped by 67% in two weeks. A lot of Nigerians have actually thought that, you know, COVID has gone on holiday because if you move around, the protocol has not been observed. People are going about their businesses. Hadley, can you even find a person wearing a nose mask? And what have you? So it's just quite surprising that the cases have dropped by 62% in two weeks. What is going on? Our people have become a little bit relaxed, a little bit careless. On one channel, if you will not mind me to use that language. Even when the COVID was at its peak, so many Nigerians never believed that there is a pandemic that is called COVID. That's when you will see them put their nose cap on their chin and somewhere in the nose cap as a kind of arm band. The implication of that is that most of them really don't care whether the COVID is a reality or just an assumption. So that the disease is on the rise now as it has happened in a place like Canada not too long ago, a few weeks ago, could be attributed to this lack of belief or carelessness or non-challenged attitude of our people. When you go to most of the public places now, like bank, the E-tree, the motor park, nobody is enforcing the wearing a nose mask in those places again. The hospitals have also become relaxed. Some of the facilities that were quickly assembled or built to reach COVID-19 infected persons have been disbanded. The warning to us with this right in this last few weeks is that COVID-19 is a reality and that it is still with us. And that it is too early for us to lower our guard. We should insist that people continue to wear their nose masks, they continue to wash their hands, they continue to meter high level of hygiene, whether in the public or in their private homes. Until the United Nations or the World Health Organization declare that COVID has been defeated all over the world, just like smallpox was once defeated all over the world. So will you blame Nigerians for acting the way they have acted? I mean you talked about the fact that a lot of persons have not believed in COVID at the time that there's a virus called COVID. So you have a lot of people not complying to the protocols that were being put out. But should you blame the people? Is it not that it's more like it's a trend and we're following the pattern? So let's not forget that at some point you have the United Kingdom, you have Britain lifting up all of its protocols for COVID and saying, hey, we're not imposing the nose masks and wearing of it and all of those protocols. People can go about their businesses. We also saw that even the restrictions that were put on for those who were going to leave Niger to other parts of the country where you have to show the fact that you have been vaccinated, all of that. So do you blame Nigerians for not observing the protocols or it's because we're just following a pattern? So if it's been lifted in other countries, it means it doesn't really exist. Don't we even know what we're dealing with? Are we even on top of the situation because it feels like we're just following a pattern? Well, I agree with you. That's the most part of the world. Like I was watching France TV yesterday and they have opened the floodgate for tourists to begin again to pump to their country. And most of the influx of the tourists, most of the people who are going to France now, some who are going to China and the UK, all the restrictions are very large. But you see the difference is this. Whereas the people in some of these advanced countries of the world have the expertise, the wherewithal and the resources to manage any further outbreaks in COVID-19. We on this part of the divide don't have that kind of a wherewithal. And that is why it would have been better for us as the people. So the more circumspect, so the more careful, not just to follow those who have the wherewithal to deal with the disease, cheaply, because here we really don't have the means to really fight the disease. Most of the COVID-19 that we are using were those ones that were given to us by these foreign countries. As of today, I'm not to show any country in Africa is manufacturing the COVID-19 vaccine. It was also because that the World Health Organization was trying to assist to build a COVID-19 vaccine plan. I'm not to show that the plan has become operational yet. So while the advanced countries of the world could relax the COVID-19 restrictions and not, we on this part of the world require to be a little bit circumspect in the way we approach it. All right. So another one of the daily independent talks about AINEC. I mean, this is really fantastic if you ask me. And moving ahead, I mean, getting close to 2023. I just would be very excited. It feels like some hope. We have devised ways of rendering talks useless during polls. And you know that during our elections, the presence of those as thoughts, despite the fact that you have elections constantly militarized, but you still have the thoughts thrive. So AINEC is saying that they have actually come out with a way of rendering this talks useless during our elections. Does this excite you? And does this bring hope for democracy? So can you take that again? We have devised ways of rendering talks useless during polls during the elections. This is what AINEC is saying. And we know we're getting close to the 2023 elections. And there's no news that our elections are being dominated. We constantly have the presence of thoughts who truncate the process at one point or the other. And now you have AINEC saying, hey, we have found a way to make them useless. The question here is, does this excite you? And is this hope for democracy? Well, if you look at AINEC, some of the things they have requested for, some of the amendments that they have suggested should be inserted into the electoral act, if you look at the amendments to their rules and regulations and what happened. You want to agree that AINEC is trying its possible best to make sure that we have a free and fair election in Nigeria. But the truth of the matter is, as soon as AINEC takes a step with regards to the sensitivity and the free and fair elections, the Nigerian politicians would have taken five other steps to undermine the activities of AINEC and to make sure that the elections did not become free and fair. Look at what happened recently in the Kiti state. AINEC did all its possible best. The materials arrived on time. The staff were on ground on time. And the security people were also deployed to all the right places. But even the Nigerian politicians find they were at the end of it. They did. They went building their own public schools close to the AINEC reporting booths. They were at certain homes where they put their men. At all times of morning with them, we have voters who are being called to be paid, to be brought to vote for one political party or the other. And from the report, we've got from the CSO and you the journalists and the observers. It was all the same. All the three leading political parties that participated in the Kiti election did engage in buying and selling votes. We need to go now. Thank you so much. I mean, that's because we are really out of time. We need to move on. But we appreciate all of the insights you have brought this morning to the headlines, the perspective that you've shared. We appreciate your thoughts. Thank you. Thank you. And thank you very much. And thank you for this great opportunity. It's a legal practitioner and also public affairs analyst. We appreciate you. Looking forward to have you on the show next week. And as I said on after the press, we take a break. We'll be looking at our first major conversation right here on the breakfast. Stay with us.