 Yes. I was wondering what is going on with the discussion about changing the speed limit on County Road. A petition was submitted maybe almost two years ago. It seems like I'm not sure of the date, but a long time ago we submitted a petition and we haven't heard anything back. I just wanted to update on what's going on with that. Thank you. I think I responded to your email, Cindy. So I'll say the same thing. You said that Rick was studying it. I haven't gotten much done yet. I'm sorry, we've been paired up with other issues. I'm hoping we can have something to say that's more along the lines of that we're making progress when Rick has a chance to look at all the traffic data. I think that's what I said in my response to you, Cindy. We need to review all the traffic data and Rick has experienced doing that. So we're very lucky. We just need to make sure he has time to do it. Do we have any idea when that might happen? In the next couple of months? I'll try to do it in the next couple of months. I mean, I've taken preliminary looks at it and it looked like the 85th percentile. I'm sorry, Rick. You're not, I'm not hearing anything. Rick, talk louder. I said, I'm taking preliminary looks at this at the 85th percentile in this site, and it's pretty high. You know, as far as the technical justification. You know, with that, it's going to be a little difficult, but I think, you know, that visibility issues on that road section, along with the fact that you've got really steep horse lengths off of that road. It gets very icy. It's shaded. There are a lot of arguments that, you know, really make that case a lot. Can you, so Rick, can you just explain to the rest of us when you're talking about the 85th percentile based on that report? What does that mean? I'm sorry. That's making big sense. The way nationally and even internationally to determine speed and safe driving speeds. Don't come coming out clearly, Rick. You can't hear me. Maybe I'll go over here. The 85th percentile. That's better. Essentially, what this is kind of a nationally and even internationally accepted rule for establishing great safe driving speeds on roads. And what they do is they take 100 non-consecutive drivers, or I should say non-platoon drivers. So cars that are free to flow on and under ideal driving conditions, non-rush hour, where it's free-flowing traffic, and the radar, and essentially what they take. Whatever that 85th, they put those in order of speed, you know, fastest to slow us. Whatever that 85th driver is it from me? That's actually the safe driving speed of that road. The 85th from the bottom. It's called the 85th from the bottom. That's, you have about 15% or a little less at a more chronic speeders. And that's what's been found because it's based on people drive, what they perceive to be the same, you know, that your brain is taking in all of these things it sees. It's over 100 decisions a second. And it's determining your reaction time. And so, you know, based on that you drive it a speed that you're comfortable that you can react to a problem. So that's what is, that's what the trans uses. They don't like to deviate by that by more than like five, you know, they don't like to deviate from that by more than say five miles per hour. You know, there are other, there are other governing conditions in there that that warrant that and that's the hill is actually to my mind. I mean, I think this, that's a place that warrants it. You know, they're, it's shady. It's icy. I'm driven. I drive that every day. I know how bad that is. You've got an intersecting road at the bottom of that slope. And there's also the complicating factor that that whole road section week you go from 40 miles an hour in East Montpelier, you jump back up to 50 then you jump back to 25 right there in, in the other maple corners. So it's not good to be bouncing speed limits like that you kind of making criminals out of innocent drivers because they're having to jump up and down in speeds and they just don't do it. So you will drive with, you know, in general, you're going to drive sending you know what the safe driving speed of a road is you tend not to just follow speed limits. Quick, I have a question for you. Yeah, two part question. First is, and maybe this is a rhetorical question at this point. I see no real difference in terms of bends and hills and road with road condition between most of East Montpelier structure and the cows. I got a wonder in my mind whether they actually did it. They just put the stuff to sign up as number one. Number two, would it help the argument to reduce speed if we designated as a bikeway. And therefore there would be unsafe conditions that where cars are traveling on that. Now, further narrow road because it or isn't, is there's a lot of conflicting uses, I guess, and it would endanger bicycle riders. I'm not sure I do that just because of the lack of shoulder. I mean, you may be setting up my village. I think we're already quite riding on it. Right. And I think the better argument is that we've got a quarter that is like, that is our, you know, connector corridor through there. And so, keeping consistent speed is actually they do that. That is a distraction for drivers to be bouncing up and down. So, and particularly there bouncing up at a point where you see if you're coming north climbing a hill that all of a sudden you go into a shaded section you're going downhill. You've got it gets icy. You go off that road on the right side, you're going down in a big pole. So I know I like I said I drive that so there's some risk there. So this is, you know, I think we're kind of justifying doing that. Is this up to us. Yes. Yeah. Okay. The, the chain that where you run into issues they, they, if they is if someone takes it has an accident and takes it to court, you know, or if we gave them a ticket, they may be able to dispute it saying, you know, I heard about that. It reduces the best. Correct. And it's consistent. Like you said, it's the up and down. I think it should be consistent. I agree. I agree with you. This is awesome conversation. Love it. Thank you so much for bringing it. And we actually have it on the agenda. Well, it went into the data more recently. Yeah, that's the plan is when Rick has time to review the data, right, is to put it on the agenda. It's been on the bottom of the agenda for a while. We need to do this. So it's not like it's off our radar. It's just, it's just not really substantive conversation. You just need to tonight to move on. So I hope that takes care of some of your questions. So stay on Cindy. Stay honest. If a date was set for discussing it, even if the discussion. Cindy, we can't do that. We have so many things that come up. All of a sudden that need to get put on an agenda. I don't know that we can give you an exact date. Maybe it's towards the end of March. Whenever it goes on the agenda, we'll be sure to make sure you get a copy. I think we can say this spring. Yeah, I think we can say spring. And the spring and sort of July, June 1. I guess I'll just, Cindy, we're trying our best here. I know you have a lot on your agenda and I know you've done a lot. Right. But it feels like it's open ended and it just keeps going on without coming to people's discussion. No, I appreciate that. And I know from your perspective, that's what it feels like. That's not what's, that's not our intent at all. I know it's not your intent. We want to get this done too. So we don't have to keep dealing with it. Trust me. Okay. Yeah. Thank you for bringing it up. I appreciate it. Thanks. Thank you. Is there anything else for public comment? It's not on the agenda. It's short and quick. All right. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I don't know. Additions are changes. Warrants are circulating. Sandra, you're up. I understand that I can screen share documents. But the problem is. Remember now what a clue state can we. No, I would just summarize. Letter. I'm sorry. I'm tired of you telling me what to do. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Thank you. To get her. Just to be, just to be blunt about it. I don't know if the board wants to look at the reports. I don't know if people out there. Netherlands can see. But see under what we usually do, as Mar said, is to have you summarize the report. There were. A couple of questions that I had that I talked to you about. This other document. Which is. The grant. Given the grant balance. So take it away. Hi, good evening, everyone. Happy Valentine's Day. That's an important announcement. Look, you're looking really good. We're in. We're over the hump. We're going into the end of the. The fiscal year at this point in time. Another six months to go. Revenues are coming in very nicely, both in general government and in highway. Expenditures in both. In both areas of the government are on track. Any. Overages and expenditures really are due to. The fiscal year. The fiscal year. The fiscal year are made early in the fiscal year. As opposed to being made evenly across all months during the fiscal year. Balance sheet looks good. We've paid our school. Our. Property taxes that have been assessed against callous. We wait for the true up in April. It will be re acquitted. It will. They will get the real amount of money due to the school. That money is. Well, when the true up comes out, it will. That is the place where we will pay whatever we may owe the school district at that time. And what we are allowed to do by statute is to pay the school district. at that date. And that line there in on your balance sheet does represent the amount of delinquent taxes that we had outstanding on both payment periods. So we're in great shape. We have still have a great fund balance. And I can entertain any questions you might like to have. Oh, wait, one last thing, delinquent taxes, they look good. They're rolling in. But just in a surprisingly brisk fashion. So that also looks very promising. And we have one delinquent tax that has been sent to the tax attorney, correct? Yes. And the tax attorney has written to that taxpayer, although I have not heard from the attorney as to whether or not there has been any actual communication besides that one letter that went out. But I'm sure she's going to let us know sooner than later. Any questions? I don't have any right now. Does anybody else have any questions for Sandra? Thank you, Sandra. You're welcome. That was John. Yeah. You do such a great job. All right. Would you like to tell us about this grant balance review and reconciliation? Yeah. So you see four red cells. And those red cells represent the difference between the expenditures in a particular grant and the reimbursement. And so best practice, according to GASB practices, or the GASB rules, is that the town needs to bring those balances to a zero. And the way we do that is in your budget lines, there is a line called transfer out. It's way down at the bottom and it doesn't have anything in it, so it's not showing up at the moment. And we're going to transfer out from our budget enough to bring each of these four grants to zero. Now, the one grant, that $4,000 cell that's in the black, that is going to go back into our revenue stream. And in your revenue stream or in your revenue section of your budget, there is a transfer inline and that $4,000 will go from that grant into the transfer inline and be then a part of our revenues for FY22. And to the proper practices for the board to make a motion to transfer out funds from the budget to each, to grant 70, 71, and 73 to bring those balances to zero and then to transfer into our budget, the $4,000 from grant number 72. Okay, so you want to give a question? I do. I should have interrupted because I don't think I followed the whole thing, but so looking at the line 70 degree grant, Sandra, revenues were $24.99, expenses were $20, so in other words, we spent more money on that program than the grant gave us. Yes, and that's true for each of these. And so the rest of what you said was the way that we deal with that on the books, that you need us to authorize the program. Yes. So is this, I have a question for Linda. This isn't moving forward to the next brand, it is a stretch. It's FY22 grant cleanup. So what's the motion that you need, Sandra? So let's deal with the three closed grants. Those are 74. There's four. No, there are four closed grants. I want to deal with the three that are in the negative. So let's have a motion. That one is open. Okay, so that's the difference then. So we wouldn't do this until the grants are closed. And so we are, that's why we're doing this now. We want to clean this up in anticipation of the audit for FY22. So the first motion, should be that the board authorizes money from the budget to bring to a zero balance the Greeter grant, the East Calus CLG 2019 grant, and the East Calus CLG 2020 grant. Something like that. But you can do it at any time. Okay. So the motion was made to authorize the charger to transfer the funds to what's the right word? To bring the following grants, to bring the following grants to a zero balance. Greeter grant, grant number 70. Hold on. I'm going to, you give me the grant numbers. Okay. It's grant 70 and bring the funds to a zero balance. It's grant number 70, 71, and 71, 2020. And 71, 2020. 2019 and 252 different years. Say 71, 2020. It's the year. 71, 2019, and 71, 2020. All right. 71, it's the same again. 71, 2019, and 71, 2020. Those are the years. 2019 and 2021. Yeah. Okay. And do we have the numbers on that? Give me two more. No, because they're already on the sheet. Okay. So we can reference this sheet that's been provided, that's after two minutes. So you have a little bit more ease with this sheet. The East Cala CLG grant was taken out and was applied for in 2019 and also in 2020. And it fell under this number 71, although it in 2019 had a different end numbers than the 2020 grant. They are kept separately in your funds, but they're the same basic number because it was a grant for the East Cala's community trust. So that's why both of those grants appear under grant number or fund number 71. Okay. So do we get the motion? No. I'm sharing the motion. I'll second it. Are you ready to vote? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. All those opposed, hearing no one else. Now do we have to do something else with this transfer out amount? Yes. For a grant. So we'll one emotion that the select board authorizes the transfer out in this case of $4,000 from a fund 72 into the general budget revenue stream. To general. General governance. Yeah. Okay. Motion to transfer. Say that answer. Transfer. A motion is made to transfer out from fund 72 to the general fund in the amount of $4,000. From I couldn't hear the fund. 72. $72,000. Yeah. Let me get an how much. $4,000. It's number 72. Transfer out from fund 72 to the general fund in the amount of $8,000. That's not so great. It's making motion. I know. Any further discussion? All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Okay. Thank you so much, Sandra. You're welcome. Any other questions? Not at the moment. Thank you, Sandra. I'm sure there will be. All right. Have a good night, everyone. All right, you too. Thank you. I didn't hear from Jeremy that there was anything from the talent office to talk about, but we do have a lot to talk about with regard to the public informational meeting that's coming up. I sent out several documents over the course of the last week or so. And I don't know, Gus, are you on? I don't see Gus. He said he would join us, but he's not like waiting room soon. No. Is there any point in discussing it now? They're just kind of an outline, but there's the actual hearing. Oh, there's Cliff. Yeah. Okay. So there's the hearing notice that we have to do, which is done. As you saw, it's hybrid and zoom. That's been posted and published. There is the town meeting informational document, which is done and has had the same thing happen. There is then the outline that I took from what we did last year. And I've talked to everybody that's down at the bottom that you see is confirmed. Jamie Norbey is going to hand the woman the show here, providing we can get everything up and running the way it should again. No, we agree that I'll select or be on the Zoom. I didn't. Well, unfortunately, the Zoom thing works the best before all on Zoom, but you can do what you like. I mean, if I come here, there's no one here. Oh, Jamie, Jamie, Jamie's running the show. Cliff is going to be hosting like we did last year. I mean, we have this one, you know, we do have this under our belt. We did it this way last year. There's not a lot of changes to how it all works. So just kind of the order of things is a little different Janet when I talked to her asked to be a little bit earlier instead of later in the meeting. We have people coming to talk from Kellogg Hubbard Library, cemetery, fire departments. They're all going to be on the Zoom so that anybody on Zoom can hear better. I mean, that's pretty much it. Cliff, do you want to do a rundown? I did talk to Gus, one of the times I talked to Gus, and he was supposed to be on, but I guess he's not. He indicated he'd like to maybe do, and it doesn't have to be, you know, a whole bunch of people like we did last year, just do a quick check in like maybe Friday evening around five o'clock or so. Does that work for you? Yeah, just so he can re-familiarize himself with the tools and whatnot. That's fine. Right. And Barbara has put together the slide presentation like we did last year. Remember last year the slides that listed the warned items? I've got to add some slides to that presentation because we will, as we did last year, just kind of briefly explain the technology to people. And if anyone has any questions about the technology, give them an opportunity to ask those. The element that's different this time around is the fact that we're doing this hybrid model. I'm not sure how many people are going to come into the hall to attend. Ideally, the situation would be that I imagine we would have the table where Jamie's sitting with her back to the large screen that displays documents, and that way the people in the audience attending can all be facing that screen, can look at it whenever the slides are up with the various items from the warning and whatnot on them. If someone in the audience at the hall has a question they can raise their hand, then Jamie will invite them to step forward and sit at an area in the table that we've worked out in advance so that they'll be in closer proximity to the owl so they can be heard and seen by the other participants on Zoom. And this is where it gets problematic, John, having other members of the Select Board in attendance there because now we're tapping into the bandwidth that's available at the hall, and it's already a bit of a challenge as is. So it would really be better if you were able to attend in a private Zoom session from your home or wherever you're comfortable. So Cliff, how other than if I were here and Jamie were here, how many other people would be on, I mean there's less, we have one, two, three, four people online right now. So we have three, there would be more than three on town media, I know it would be two, it would be Jamie and myself and you, right? Well you didn't tell me. Are you okay Jamie and myself in the town now so it would be less. But you don't have to have a computer to it now, right? No, I don't. I do it every time. So Cliff, is it that even when you're here, even if there's only three computers, the more people are on Zoom, the harder, is there more bandwidth? This is how ignorant I am, but I don't want to ask you a question. Does it tap more with one computer if there's more people in the Zoom room? Right, so basically the problem occurs for people who are participating by Zoom not there at the hall. For example right now, the image that I'm seeing on the screen, I've got good bandwidth where I am and the image I'm seeing on the screen is not very clear and the audio occasionally breaks up as well and that's really being dictated by the number of people who were logged in onto that modem there in the hall right now. The fewer people are being clearer the image is going to be from the owl and the better the sound quality will be. Yeah, well that is actually how you say it is consistent with my experience when I've been at home that when you guys are all very happy, you know, we're all happy here, we're very happy, but it's really hard. I just think it's important to select four members here we're having a meeting. Well that's a different issue, and that's, you know, what I might recommend John as a possible alternative is perhaps you could sit with Jamie and then both of you would share one computer. Jamie would have the responsibility for making sure that things are functioning and whatnot, but then you're there able to pipe in as you need to, you'd be seen on the owl. We would have to, one of the best practices you might remember from last year is everybody who is a participant in the meeting, meaning members of the select board, Janet, other people who are speaking at the meeting on the agenda to speak, they joined as participants and you could see them on the screen and their names were visible on the screen and we asked everybody to log in and identify not just themselves by name but also what their function was. So myself, I would sign in as Cliff and select board member. We imagined that in this version the town hall would just be listed on the screen as town hall, but we can certainly modify that and say, you know, town hall with John Brabant, select board member in attendance or something like this. I will have to send unique logins to all of the participants and I'll be doing that later this week. You'll each receive an email with your own unique login credentials. Please don't share those with anyone else because then, for example, if I was a presenter and I received this email and I logged in under it but somebody else called me and said, hey, I can't log in and I sent them my email with the login instructions, suddenly there would be two Cliff Emmons in attendance at the meeting. Oh my gosh. And only one of us would look like Cliff. So there's little relief there but nevertheless, the general public who is attending, they're sitting in the audience and they won't be visible on the screen. They can use the electronic reactions to raise their hand to be recognized and then acting as host, I'll take them off mute and then they can ask their question. Once it's been addressed to their satisfaction, then we lower their hand and take the next question. Just kind of refresher on how it all worked last year. Most of the questions came from the floor, people voicing them out and we also had the ability for people to ask questions via the chat mechanism. They'll have that ability again this year. Gus did a great job. We had several people helping out to monitor the audience of hands raised and monitor the chat boxes but Gus did a really great job monitoring all of that on his own. So we didn't really need all the extra hands on deck with so we imagine it to be a little bit less complicated this year. If any of the select board members would like to participate in a practice session, we are going to schedule something probably mid week here with Jeremy so that she has a chance to practice there at the hall. And if any of you select boards would like to participate, you can be sure to send me the link as well. Okay, John, I got you. Now, Gus, we mentioned that you wanted to do some kind of training and we were thinking like Friday at five, but are you available to attend a training that Clif is planning? Do you know what date for? I think when we last discussed it, we talked about doing it on Wednesday or Thursday. Jamie, I believe, sexually available on your day. Thursday might be better depending on what time. I have a quick question. My cell phone turns on off at a panoramic view and things like that. Does Jamie have her cell or somebody who's going to be in her town hall? We thought that we probably would leave the panoramic view on because some people seem to really like it. If you think we should not have it on, then I can talk to Jamie for getting the app loaded out to her cell and tell her how to disable it. Okay, I'm just asking this question. Do you guys have a question? Yeah, good. Clif, if it's possible to do it on Thursday, that's much better for me than Wednesday or day of day. Okay, is there a time that works better for you guys? After five is going to work better. Okay, Denise, is there a time that's better for you on Thursday? That works. Okay. Why don't we shoot on Thursday at six o'clock then? Does that work for everyone? John, is that on? No, you know, we're just just practicing because Jamie hasn't done this before. No, it's not in the hybrid. It's not in the hybrid, man. Right, you haven't done it in the hybrid. So, good practice. John, will Thursday work for you? It should. Do you want to be here? So you can see how that works? Yeah. Yeah, because the meeting is on Saturday at 10. I wouldn't be surprised if there were fewer people in the last year, honestly. Yeah, that's not even helpful. It's not, I'm not adding anything to your mind. I forget I said it's down here. When I'm curious, the curious people will attend at the hall. Yeah, yeah, me too. It's a test. It's a test, but I think just to talk about cattle, but he was asking me about time meeting and what's going on, and I filled them in, and he said, well, I can't attend by computer. And I said, well, we understand that you and others cannot, so we were folding up you and an ability to attend in public. So the issues was resolved before, I think that's important. Well, there's several people I can think of that don't have the computer skills or even have a computer. So I think this is more of a service to the people. I agree, I agree, well, it also don't have man, but I like that we are generally on Zoom. On Zoom, yeah, yeah, yeah, because that will for the majority of people that will make it. Yeah, well, yeah, well, I can do it. Gus, did you have anything else? Did you just speak to me? Just speak to me. Yeah, do you have anything else you want to raise? I'm just going to tell you that for those of you, I don't know where you are going to be today, soon, John and Sharon are in the town hall, but where you are, the town is really tinny. And whenever two people are talking or making noise at the same time, at least at my end, the sound is so garbled that it's really hard to hear. And anybody who's not, John's voice is coming through really strongly, but if Sharon was far away from the microphone, hard to hear. So for those of you who are managing the town hall site, it's going to be important that that fortune people don't speak at the same time, and whoever's speaking is really close to the microphone. Right, and to that end, I mean, another thing I can look out for me here in person is I'll stick to a chair or a microphone to say if people want to speak here, sit in that chair and stare it in the eyes of the owl and speak, and drop your mask, and not all the back off. But until why is it a little owl? Yeah, that's what we're going to have this practice session, make sure we have a good layout in the building. We have the ability to pull that screen away from the wall and tilt it wherever we need to. And then, John, if you're going to be there with Jane, there are two of you sitting with your backs to that overhead monitor, but you'll be able to see what's going on because you'll have the computer screen in front of you. And you'll be in close proximity with the owl. Then we set up, just like we would at a regular town hall meeting, as John has said, rather than having a podium with the microphone where people step up to it, identify themselves and ask their question. They'll come to the table where John and Jamie are sitting and be closer to the proxy to the owl and be able to ask their questions. It will be critical, too, I'll have to work with Jamie to make sure she has the correct audio settings because we'll want to make sure we can do everything we can to diminish any background noise there at the hall. We'll be moving their chairs, rustling their papers. This all becomes very problematic, especially with the echo effect that we know currently exists in the hall. Yeah. Well, just people talking to their neighbor is distracting and hard, right? If you are having a little sidebar. Yes, very distracting. It's distracting in a person meeting, but magnifying us in this version. Yeah, okay. Anything else? Just to get another reminder, we need to get something on the wall. Sorry, sorry, John. Exactly. Thank you. We need to get drapes on these walls up. I mean, ugly is a cheap drape might be. We can do that. And then the town hall crew can decide what looks better, their lines and lines are better, but this is becoming a real limitation for us. That could be walls. Yeah, but we do have. We do have. We do have to correct you guys. Well, and is there, is there any, we talked about this habitably. Is there any plan to get more microphones, more spider microphones? I mean, you guys can hear John, because he has a voice. A voice that's good. I know I'm leaning in a talk on you here. But more, would more, would more micens on the table? No, just one sitting, a little spider guy, sitting right here on the table, would that help, Cliff? Yeah, I mean, it might help with people being able to hear if the person speaking is closer to that, examples, spider microphone, but it could. But it also magnifies the problem of the echo effect. So, one thing they conceivably do is take the shutters, shutter to their room, and lean them in front of the windows, so that you don't have as much stuff bouncing off of the windows, because the windows are a big part of the sound balance. Getting the quilt that was donated up on the wall would certainly help as well, ultimately. I'll track it, that's making some charities. It's time for the cord. And I think it's going to be... It doesn't have to be permanent, it's going to be less, stick it up on the wall for now. That's only one panel, that is a lot of... And ultimately, getting the grates on the windows, the key as well. But this doesn't happen, obviously, before this information meeting, so we'll just have to make the best we can, ask people to remember that it is a sound sensitive device, and in the background noise becomes a distraction for people participating by Zoom, trying to hear people here speaking. Yeah, okay, sounds good. Anything else, folks? I'm just going to say again, this little bit of practice, rather than being better on Thursday, the only person I can consistently hear, every word that he says right now is Cliff, and I'm getting maybe two out of three words those of you who are in group settings, if I'm lucky. That also magnifies the fact that we need to have as few devices as possible logged in at the hall, because the more that are logged in, the less bandwidth you have, and of course the audio quality is for anyone who's not there in the hall. Oh, and, or counterpoint, if they're not, then the only person that you guys can see is Denise, and nobody else in the room is able to actually participate. I'm sitting on this side, and I usually sit on the other side without a computer, I feel much more engaged tonight, because I'm able to see who's here, who's on Zoom, and there's a document sitting right in front of me, rather than I'm turning, because we talked about the size of that. Just on that, I'm not on the right to see the screen, so you have to turn your back to what is the camera. That's uncomfortable, it's uncomfortable from my participation standpoint, because I'm not actually looking at people in, it makes my back hurt, so this is not, the sound alone is not the only issue, I guess is my point. Well, hopefully next year we'll be able to go back to pulling, but even for our regular meetings. Right, I mean, I would prefer to limp along, I would prefer to limp along either, everybody being on Zoom all of a sudden is from home, so we are participating in an equal environment, or limping along with having these laptops open, so we can participate more slowly as members of the slide, because sitting on the other side of the table, I didn't feel either of those things was, I wasn't doing either of those things. Okay, well that's good to know. Some of that's our fault too, if it's not you, it's a lifeboard, we could arrange these tables differently, and some of that is concerned with already being alleviated, we just haven't given much thought to that, so. Well the experience, I can tell you, the experience is different on this side, just on this side of the table, just sitting in that seat on the table. Okay, anything more about accounting and informational? Peace. It's okay, so well, are we going to get an invitation for the training as well? Yes, I'll send out an invitation to everyone for the training, and I will also be sending out unique links for people to log in at the actual session. Okay, okay. So the training is a trauma, is training a live training, I'll let you hear yourself. Well you and Jamie. Okay, okay, good. Good. Thank you, thank you. Yeah, we're going to try and simulate what we'll be experiencing on Saturday. I'll ask you all to please bear with me on Saturday morning, it will be seven o'clock night time, so I'll just be having my first cup of coffee, so if I'm a little sleepy, I hope you'll please forgive me in advance. Okay, we will do that. Thank you. Okay, thanks, Mike. All right. Welcome. Welcome. There's nothing else on that. Just want to check in with Alfred real quick, and then you have the congressional staff to talk about. Any responses from people for road group decisions? Are you all set best? All set. All set. All right, thank you so much. Okay. Okay. Any updates, Alfred? So, I have a phone call tonight, this afternoon before I left. I was late in the day, the young fellow that works for the state is interested in coming and trying us out, trying us out. You mean for an interview? I interviewed him. Oh, you did? Well, like I said, he called late today, and he was getting off work at three. They said, okay, I'll stay a little bit late. Come and we'll talk. Just to kind of get to the story, and he could ask the questions that he has. So, there's, he's a really good candidate. There's one major problem. He's got a restriction on his license, so he can only drive a automatic transmission. We don't know all the automatic transmission. I guess that's the problem. So, where trucks are all in that? There's only one automatic, that's the 1-1 model of a small truck. When you say there's a restriction, he can only drive an automatic, why is that? Because when he went to hit his license test, he drove an automatic truck. So, it's a new federal law that went into effect a couple of years ago that you drive a automatic truck for your test. They did not have a restriction on that all year long to drive. Does it work the other way around with him? No. You have to take the test with a standard... Oh, okay. We've done that before, but let them take the test. So, it's not a cold, dead and water thing, but it's difficult to take the test in wintertime. He's also in a class A, which would require a trailer, a trailer on a truck. So, I told him, let's talk. And the thing about this is we... I'm only helping with that, but as we all know in the past, we've got to burn by that. So, I want to... Sometimes we're going to commit it from a man that isn't going to have to work for us, so we have to help him get his progress. Well, and we know that... So, it's really... It's sort of... Well, and did we have to do that with John, too? John came all the way to the top of the goal. If we're going to have somebody... If we're going to support and get a commitment, and given that this is the second time in about six months, we've been in the situation of making concessions to bring somebody on board. Could we have Jim draw something up so we have something in writing? And could we have the commitment? I don't know if this is a good question, but it's too hard at least to get something in writing, but then what is our so-what? We get something in writing and they say, I hear right, promise. What's the so-what if they don't need it? It's a trifle. Well, or could it be house? Well, they've got their thoughts. It's got something like that. We have our costs for taking... Well, I mean, when we're doing the work... We're going to be in the conversation and we're going to have to start off at 30 more o'clock. No, that's great. That's great. We're meeting you. Because it's not... Because it's not... So my question is, is one of these guys take the CDL test with our equipment and all that? Who pays for the test? Do they? He would. Okay. He would pay for the test and all that. I know, as it stands right now, that the town pays for renewing the employee's license. But to initially get the license, it's on the employee. It always has to. Okay, okay. So what is our... What is it costing us for you to... For us, the town? For sure. Well, that's good. Well, I mean, I think it depends a lot on what's going on that particular day that the appointment is. I mean, if it's a snow storm and I got to take myself and the truck off of the routes, that's pretty expensive. I thought you just said you couldn't do it the way... That's what I'm saying. It wouldn't... It's not possible to be much... Oh, I thought there was some kind of thing like where you go and take the test. They don't do that. Throughout the whole year, as far as testing, but it would be a challenge to schedule it and then... Right. And then there's a snow storm. Nature does hurt it. So, okay. So I guess I misunderstood that you said... Okay. So they pay for their own license. Scheduling is a problem if we have a storm. Well, but we still... The other thing that's lost is the opportunity to keep working for somebody else. If we can... No, we still advertise and still have another position available. It's still available, too. Okay. All right. Okay, all right, for now. Because the only thing we could do is withhold another portion of the sign-on bonus. Well, I was going to say, the sign-on bonus is that something he's interested in? You know? Well, I guess we didn't talk about that, but he heard about the position on our platform, which spells it out. Yeah, right. Well, the sign-on bonus is already paid out in steps. So that's not... Okay, so that might actually... That's incentive right there. Right. So, much saying, we sign a piece of paper with your head sand and the sign-on bonus doesn't come. That might... That's enough, huh? Yeah, I don't think we need to pay... Or we're still using that piece of paper that's sort of like if we're supporting the license. Oh, you're right. If we're junking your bonus, then... Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I mean, you got to think of the license. I think it's great. I hope it works out. I think that this is the last time we're looking at your facility. I think that if we're looking at your facility, I think it's up to that company to decide when he can liberate us. When he can liberate us. Try to find out what it's like out there. I don't think I'll be doing it with a student when it's stupid to do it. No, I wouldn't. No, I wouldn't. I think that... He has to pay for the license. That's great. That's great. I think that's my last time. Well, then he paid for it. He hasn't worked that out. And he's paid for the license. I think he can do it out of state. And he's not getting the sign up for this. I mean, that is... That's a... That is a great... Do you remember, right? It was like 500... 500, 500. Well, he doesn't get a sign on the bonus until he does pay for the job. Right. And more. And more. You don't have to be on for a while. Well, you know that... You get hurt. I'd have to go back and look, but it's in like four pieces. Right. So now that's... And it needs to be conditioned on the fully qualified, which means standard shift qualified. Right. So once... Right. And we can write up a letter of employment. It just works out to state those things. Right. This is the first person I've ever run into that has that restriction on his license. Yeah. I never even knew that. This is so brand new. It's so new. And it's because, you know, a lot of... Like state, all they have is automatic trucks. Yeah. So he took a state truck to get his license. So it's an automatic. Right. And you have a restriction on it. Interesting. Okay. So... All right. Thank you. Thank you. So other than that, I need to know what to... What I can offer, if it's not... Even if it's not this person, if it's another person, are we still at the 18 to 20 range that we talked about before? Well, I mean, for instance, just... Up, like Tyler's salary. I forget. I forget what it is, an hour at this point. We have everybody's on the crew. Yeah. I guess some of it would be dependent upon experience. You know, if he's somebody brand new, we don't want... No, that's why he gave me the range at the 18 to 20. So I just want to know if that range now that we've raised everybody else, does that range also increase? I think it does when he has his full license. And then you figure out... I'm just looking at... And he's looking at... And he's looking at... He's looking at... I think the range... The range... What do we... Yeah, I mean, good. I could get five calls tomorrow morning. Yeah. I just want to know what to say. Yeah. Let's say 18 to 20 started, and then after he's been on, or she's been on for a while, then we can, you know, based on performance, all those factors. It gives us what a six-month performance evaluation period. Yeah. So that's in place. And then it's all right. Yeah. Yeah. So then it can get... And then it can get... And seeing that the increase is going to give more market... Market adjustment. What is the... The dollar 30. The dollar 30. The dollar 30. Now we're going to improve as a market adjustment. So that should be 19 to 21. Yeah. That doesn't make sense. I don't agree with you. I would say 19 to 21. So it makes sense to you? Yes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Because we did just do the crew and the crew itself. Oh, okay. That's not very new about... But if he doesn't already have the skill, then I would be surprised if we're going to hire him at the high end of the day. Well, I'm not asking for this particular... Right. This is general. That's general. I'm sure. Yeah, that's fair. Or where my number can be that I offer. All right. No, I got it. We did not want to create the original crew. That was why you're going here by yourself. And that's exactly what we do if we go back. Okay. Right. So that's how we're going to do it. Thank you. 19 to 21. Yeah. Okay. All right. Thank you. Mark, you want to talk about the... The rush of the rocket spending? Right. When I start off by clarifying something, I asked at the very beginning of the discussions about the dam and whether I should accuse myself. Jim says legally I had no obligation to accuse myself, but I just did. So there is a very issue here who's all clarifying in it. But so I would say let's just say right now I've accused myself, but I'm testified. It's your call. Yeah. Okay. And you know what? I've been in like a kind of conversation 10 years ago. Everybody leaves on the road just because you advocate for your day where you're done doesn't mean you can't concentrate on your call. You have lakes. You have lakes. You have to feel comfortable. Okay. Okay. I hope I'm comfortable at this point because all this is about is asking for money from outside of the town. This really is just that an inter-national. Right. Well, I'm asking this interaction. I'll tell you, what's your call? Let me talk about it. It doesn't matter. It's your call to judge. All right. Because I'm asking, we're asking for money from outside of participating support members tonight. Okay. One, the first letter is a letter to Tom Berry. And the reason is that every year around the time is the time when budget stuff has to happen. Of course they don't have a budget. I'll get to that. But later, later, later, later, later, later, later, later, later. When this is the last round, and every, oh, I'm just hearing the history before saying this year is not a year. Put it into question. And so I am, I asked Tom, do you think that asking for money for the purchase of Tom Vann is something that would be reasonably eligible? Tom Berry's one of his, he said. And I said, yes, I do. I think you should put something in. The first step is, there's two steps. These are across as the media was all internationally delegated spending requests. CVS, better known in the past, as earlobes. So the first step is a letter of interest. And the second step is filling out a whole bunch of forms with a lot of detail that you put together. The forms of complete application are to do March 11. Then they will make up their mind which of the 50, you know, or 16 that they get, they will pick. If they pick Curtis Condan as the CVS, they will negotiate their list with the rest of our delegation because they don't want the delegation overlapping. So they'll work that out. And if we were to get on the list, Senator Lake, given who Senator Lake is, it's very likely that we would be in the budget for that amount. We wouldn't see the amount for a year, at least. The client of the ointment is that Congress can't agree on budget. And they're operating on continuing resolutions. So for example, the store, the East Calis store, got a congressionally directed spending from Peter Welch for $200,000 last year. It's completely spun up because there is no budget. So it could get hung up. But at any rate, I feel like I highly recommend the UDIS because there's no harm. It's just a way of kicking off the process. So that's the first. And you can't transmit it electronically. So if people, I wrote this letter, if people want to sign it, we can sign it and I can scan and send it to them. Or I can just send it to them where it just says the Calis It's an internal chain about what you're referring to. But I should get it. And then if you want to go ahead, this is, I will fill out. And it's a form of almost ridiculous questions you have to try to answer. And I'm bringing it to you before our next meeting. So that at our next meeting, you can review and approve my submitting it because it has to be submitted by March. So that's the first. So I'll stop. And then I want to say something about conflict. And I think I hear what John is saying and of course it's always up to the participant whether to. But I do think that any time they want to participate in something that's external, that it's a slippery slope to choose to participate in the discussion as a member of the board because the barometer is not the barometer, but the the thermometer, the whatever, the decider is you get to decide whether you accuse yourself or not. But what we as a board need to be sure that we're doing as a group, including the person who's processing the question for themselves, is that everybody outside all of our citizens have confidence that we as board members are making decisions that are best for the town. And so the integrity of our citizens making being pure and not wearing two hats is really important. And so even though this is a you know, this is a field that it doesn't feel good. It's a very important project for our town. I don't know that there's anybody who's really against it. If there's somebody out there who's against this, that that starts to erode that integrity of, you know, well, where was Mike really thinking was he thinking most about the town or was he kind of thinking about his interest in his participation on the board and the leadership that you're bringing to that other group. So still your decision, but I don't want to let the discussion go without saying those things out loud because I think it's important that we always remember why we think about and I just interject and say given that please consider my remarks, testimony, and I won't vote on this matter. Okay, go ahead. So great thank you Mr. Testifier for bringing this information to us. And I think it's a brainer. Yeah. And I don't have anything to cross along with having you send it to them. To them. Electronically. Electronically. Rather than pass everything to all girls, say you don't have anything. They wouldn't if you think there's anybody here who's with you on this. Not at all. I don't know. Find out. And my old friends told me they're with her. Right. With her. We have the time. Yeah, okay. Okay. Yeah, so I make the motion that I make the motion that we approve this approve this and I really consider everything else that I would call a select board and direct it to Todd. Direct it to Todd. Direct it to Todd there. And we ask our friend and friend. And we remember Mark and LaHawley and LaHawley to you transmit it. Transmit it on our behalf. Works for me. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. A little bit, Sharon. Can you? Okay. So we can work this thing. I make the motion that that the Cal select board authorize the request to Senator LaHawley's staff or the Curtis Pontan request. I guess I'm not being sure. Mark. Mark. Mark. I'm sorry, Brady. I'm sorry, Brady. Just this is Senator LaHawley's office. Sorry. Senator LaHawley's office for congressionally directed spending regarding Curtis Pontan. And Right. Right. To Senator LaHawley's office for requesting federally directed spending for Curtis Pontan. And And And Congressionally directed spending. It's congressionally directed spending. Right. Well, I want to renew a request that when we know we're going to ask for a motion, we put the motion in writing in advance and then you can select it right on the agenda so we know what the motion is. We spent a lot of time crafting motion values when you think about it. You got it, Bruce? Can I read that? Yeah. Okay. Motion. Motion that the Cal select board make a request to Senator LaHawley's office for requesting a congressionally directed spending on the Curtis Pontan project. That's my motion. And I seconded it. The insurance convention and second second by-laws. Yep. Okay. And and we've asked Mark Mark has volunteered to recuse himself. I'm going to recuse myself. But we are asking you to send it for us. Okay. So now you're going to recuse yourself. Four zero alone then, right? Right. Yes. Right. We have a vote again. Yeah. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Okay. The second item looks Wait a minute. Let me see if we can start. Hey, look. It's he's not the same. He's recused. It's different. Yeah. Should I state that here? Yeah. He's recused here. Yeah, they're recused. Um, I just want to before you start I just want to let Alfred know if there's nothing else. Unless you're saying there's something else. Okay. Let's grab it right there. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Come here. Let's call ourselves. Thank you. Thank you. Great. You want a cake? Before you go. Okay. I'm sorry, Mark. Come on. I'll put it out on the ring. Okay. I don't want to. Good. The second item and it does have and I am again refusing myself and assess the crime. But it does have and we should be able to do that. I want to talk to you. You guys, the DEA is the DEA that likes to do and likes to do that. Part of the DEA is more of a program. More of a program. Part of the DEA is more of a program. Part of the DEA is probably probably the problem. Part of the DEA is probably probably the problem. And they end up not for all kinds of things. Part of them is NRCS, the resource conservation. Natural resources. Conservation services. And in that is a watershed program for climate protection program. When I talked to Tom very first, he said and said where is the infrastructure money in Washington that's been appropriated landing where we can get our hands on it? And he referred me to this program. So it's not the same Pogmanite. She said not the same Pogmanite. So well, here we have it. So I spent several hours with the NRCS people. And I will say they are, the bad news is their their process takes forever. It is federal bureaucracy queued. It is the people who are running it haven't been through this process with the new bill and they can make no guarantees whatsoever. That's the bad news. The good news is they have a lot of money they're desperate for applicants because they don't have any and they're not spending it. And they don't have any amount of equities yet. Wow. Also the good news is that their processes let their standards so limited that they hire out their consultants to run their process. Their process basically a forever process consists of an early that is maybe just a year determination of are we eligible? It's called feasibility analysis. Then they do a watershed plan. And in the watershed plan we do throw the kitchen sink in anything that's in the watershed you know a road erosion to the town. The town Can we get something to drive one month? What? Can we get them to drive one month? I have no idea. I doubt it. But at any rate they do physical they build things. So anyway so they use outside consultants. The outside consultants they use are a panel of five engineers only one of which is in New Vermont. And that's what it's a boy and king, boy and king. And the boy and king, boy and king we hire, we hire here right. To do, to do the 2020 all-in-one, all-in-one, all-in-one, 2013 plan. Yep. Okay. So the way you kick off that is you send in what's called a request for assistance. And that's what this letter is. And this letter basically says yeah we'd like to give up the process. It is that is as long during the year-long effort that goes through to determine whether we are we have no obligations whatsoever. I have asked them five times coming and going is it okay if we get your wheels rolling and then we decide we don't need you because it's going to be, you know 2030 before we get your money and we're going to get other money locally or whatever. And they said yes absolutely get this in because they're desperate to show that they have projects. However, a year and a half from now or sometime like that two years if they think we're eligible and they start being they're told by the director that they can start spending money on us on planning they're probably going to want to know hey are you going with us or aren't you? But right now it's just starting the long process. So the reason that I went to Tom Berry back to Tom and said what about congressional money spending directed spending requests? Because I told him that this one the one I'm talking about now is like a four or five year process. He goes oh my god I said what if you guys direct them to spend because a correct congressional lead directed spending is directed at federal agents. With that accelerated and said you better be accelerated take two years off of it. Good plan. So this is standing the first thing you just approved stands alone and that's fine. This one kicks off a process in like a year from now or a year and a half from now. We can decide what do we want to do. The only thing that's in here which is important for you you have to designate a person that they can talk to. And what I did is I put like this by the way is so we can talk about this and do it next week next time. But I wrote it with me just because I figured I'm the one doing all this work. But I'm not if I'm accused myself it's not appropriate. So you know something you guys you know do we have these two that are really delegated so I can put your names on it and I could tell them okay talk to me and then when appropriate I'll open them in or whatever but I was kind of thinking I should have put my name I should put your guy's name because you two were done. You could put all the three of ours and then you can convince yourself if what I can do is I can say how about I put you two in as members select board and put myself in as a member of the member of the class association and primary point of contact yeah that's fine okay all right yeah I will I will redo this and this one I will bring back to because this one we want to sign we do want to sign okay so we'll need to put this on so I'm going to I'm going to put it on stationery put it already yeah I'm going to and I'm going to put signature lines okay I'm going to put the line lines so um so you said this doesn't happen to them doesn't matter so we put it on we put it on put it on that's fine that's fine okay I'll bring it back I'll send it I'll send it I'll send it, I'll send it to the appropriate corner okay can we can we can we we made an motion so we don't have to rate it the this can be given just so I make a a motion that we that we uh uh the select board submit a letter to the minister's to touchportable from the USGA natural resources conservation service and that we sign it at the next meeting. Second. I'm gonna get this. Sorry guys, I didn't throw that out. Share me the motion that we submit a letter of application. Do we follow that? A letter of interest. A request, just saying about it. A letter of request. A letter of request, yeah. To the NRCS. Is that correct? Watershed Protection Program. This is what happened when you hire someone based on their good looks rather than their skillset. Yeah. I was gonna say, yeah. I would be happy to take my turn. I have paid a lot of money with my damage. I think we're pretty good about that. This is a comment. A letter of request, okay. It'll just be my turn. Do we submit a letter of request to the NRCS? Yeah. For assistance. What was that? For assistance. Sorry. If you wanna testify, speak up, otherwise. No, I'm just. Give me the rest of the motion, you guys, I'm sorry. For assistance for a potential project in Calis being Curtis Public family. Somewhere in there working that we're asking for money. So first. For assistance and funding. For funding assistance. That's good. Planning assistance and funding. And I can testify as part of the Curtis Pond Association that will be here to help Mark with filling out all the application information and good. I did it. Yeah. I did it. You did that. You did that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, I'll read it back to you. Okay, I'll read it back to you, okay? Let's see, let's see. Sure, give the motion to the NRCA for planning assistance and funding for the Curtis Pond and project. Yeah. And I second it. All right, we're ready to go. And Mark would you recuse yourself? But let's do that in the item. Yeah. All right, all in favor, please say aye. Aye. And Mark would you recuse yourself? I recuse myself. Thank you. 401. Yeah, I'll just make sure you put recuse, Mark and Keith. Yeah. All right. It's just 401, there's no one. Yeah, the one is in the U.S. State. Is somebody, are they voting any? 401, okay, I'll take that one. Yeah, yeah. John, you're up next. This has to be with the... Could you see a march? Oh, yeah. You can sit over there, thanks for a little bit. So, not a great event, I was looking forward to that. I contacted the chair, requested that she consider placing on our agenda tonight. And I'm on short notice, the idea of our select board, evaluating an application that's presently before the Worcester Select Board under consideration, I should say, by the Worcester Select Board. And also the Central Monk Regional Planning Commission project review committee, which is a subcommittee to the CDRPC Board. I as a town representative on this Central Monk Regional Planning Commission also serve on this project review committee, subcommittee to the board. And that committee evaluates development projects that either see Act 250 or Public Utility Commission reviewed and permitting and by our definition, have the potential for regional impact just because of the nature of those scale products. There's a cell tower project that's been proposed. Worcester, on private property, I have a company called Dust Real Drill. Dust Real Drill. And it's in the early stages, as folks here might remember, there was a Wi-Fi telecommunication tower that had been proposed in the north end of our town. And as these projects go under state law, they are not reviewed under zoning. Our state representative was one of the sponsors of the bill that made it all the more difficult to participate in this process. So I feel that we'll put that on the record yet again, because it's an important thing to note. So on the applicant, the applicant because of the size of the tower, not to get all the nitty gritty, will be filing at some point or anticipates filing at some point in the future. An application of the Public Utility Commission for their review and the permitting of the project that they passed last year. The process at the Public Utility Commission or PUC involves consideration of the town plan and the criteria intended out to 50, which is part of their review. The regional plan for conforms to the public plans. So folks, constituents in town sent to me emails and I forward them to the rest of the select board members. And they are some of which are in the audience tonight on our Zoom meeting. And at this juncture, our project review committee has had a meeting to review this project and the applicants lead representative stated that front, not frontier, industrial is still engaged in negotiations or conversations with the Worcester Select Board. So the application is still in flux. The normal, I forget how many day time frame, I think 45 day time frame where they have to get the town notice. And then after that, I think the PUC, the formal application is extended. They get extended, the applicant under own initiative is they're working towards their select board. Extended, extended. We need to extend that time frame. I think another 15 days or something, I can't remember, I'm gonna get that wrong. So don't quote me on that. But it's still in flux. So despite the agenda item saying consideration of a letter to the Central Marine Regional Planning Commission and the Public Utility Commission, one, that would be premature to even draft a letter because the application has not been finalized based on what we heard last week. And two, even if the application were finalized, the Public Utility Commission has yet to receive the application, so it would be premature. But I would like for us all at some point to, well, Fred, keep this on our radar and anticipate that we're gonna need to set aside some time to evaluate the project and hear from folks. Can you let us know when you get it on the agenda again? Yeah, and so just so you know, the Regional Planning Commission, which is the staff of the CDRPC, will be looking at regional impact. So because this project, even as stated by the developer, will have potential impact, positive, negative impacts to neighboring towns, I believe they said, not only Worcester, but Calis, and Middlesex, and there may be at least one pillar in there or some other town, so there's regional implications, and so they would be evaluating those as well as the local impacts. To be brief, that's almost it. What's really important, and Tom will actually, the head of our Calis Trails Committee. Yeah, he's on. It's a committee of the board, of this board. He wrote an email of concern as did a number of people. So the concern, one of the primary concerns that there's Tom out there in TV land, the tower site that's been proposed is at the end of the Ellis Bruce Trail, which is an inter-minicipal trail that's been set up on private properties, and when you folks were fortunate enough to hike or bike or horseback ride or ski that beautiful trail, when you come out on the Worcester side, and you travel it, traverse it from Calis, it's a grand finale, the music comes up, the trees and the leaves and all that noise goes into the background, and there's this incredible view of the Worcester Range. It chills up your back view, and this tower is gonna be right there, so you gotta pick your bliders on. So my perspective is very... How tall is it? 100 and Tom, or John Cate, I don't know if he's a kid, he's like a board member from the town. I asked him as how in Worcester, I think it's 189 John. John? It's a 198.8. No, it's 188.8. 188.98. Oh, that's right, just under 200 foot FAA, for increased... Well, you remember CVRPC when they were doing the Tower in North Calis? CVRPC was helpful, they did write a letter. Right. Saying that it didn't fit in with the... So I would think that this is something similar, only even taller. Concerns were raised by the number of Project Recruiting Committee members, myself included. Who's on that committee? A bunch of people, I'm not gonna get to that. Can I ask you a question for the notes? And that is, so the Calis select one should be prepared to write some letter of order to the CVRPC? Well, Tim, at this point to evaluate and decide whether to draft a letter, but that's down the road. We were just asking that you put this on your radar and I'm asking that we continue to maintain kind of a spot on our agenda. Burn up things. And I, I don't know if you do. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Did John, did you want somebody? I think Tom Blash is on his speak. Tom, or can I see Larry? That would be great if Tom... Larry's on too, I think. Well, Larry Bush, yeah, he sent one. Sue Killer in Tim Maker, James Wilder, all Calis residents raised concerns. Yeah. Hope I didn't leave someone else, someone else. But maybe Tom could speak and then if there's any other questions, John Keating knows a lot too. Yeah, well, just second what you said. I mean, it is the culmination of that wonderful trail through the woods. I remember when I first walked in and you know, you have no warning, you're just walking through these beautiful woods, but you have no idea what you're coming to and then it just opens up with this phenomenal view. And from everything I've heard and seen this cell cover right there front and center, I mean, I can't think of anything that could deflate that experience more than to see that. So on behalf of the trails committee, I just want to make sure that the town is on top of this. And John, I appreciate your role in this too. So whatever the trails committee can do to aid the town in providing information and evidences. Well, when it comes to my writing, what does that mean for conservation, conservation, and trail for everybody to write a letter? Well, yeah, I think it's a lot of work. Well, I mean, we can all say the same thing, but it would have a lot of signatures if it comes from the various different groups. Yeah. Or we can all sign the same one. I just think it for the purposes of the Public Utility Commission, yeah, I think three individual letters would be fine or one signed on by all of them. Well, you can do one and then we have all different letters all signed on. That would likely be fine, but that's down the road. Yeah, and you'll let us know. Did Larry or John Keating, do you want to speak at all? I simply say thanks for your consideration. It's a, I'm glad it's on your, thank you, thank you. Yeah, it is. Larry, oh, now I see Larry must be gone. Oh, there's Larry, hey Larry, do you want to speak? No, no, I just, following this carefully and I appreciate all the work that John has done on this. Did I ask a question? Yeah. This is not, is this subject to Act 250? This will go for the Public Utility Commission because of the height of the tower. Right. It's only 50 feet. Yeah, it doesn't go to act. It goes to the PUC. But the PUC Public Utility Commission is obligated by law to run the project past the criteria. Has anyone looked into the question or asked that anyone look into the question of whether there are alternative locations for the cell tower? That is one of the many questions that have been asked of the applicant. Have they considered other locations, different or lesser tower heights? You know, all that is kind of, in the list, very long list. The only suggestion, the last thing I did in my law firm in California was successfully kill a $200 million power line. And I did it, not by arguing, which was true, how devastating it would be for views, not by arguing the danger of radiation. But by successfully showing that it was the PUC. And the reason was before telling us, the PUC could really give it the count of views. They care about it as the network work. So one of the things that I would urge is that if we do send a letter, that it can say everything that you were talking about and then say that this means that it's particularly urgent that the Public Utilities Commission conduct its own alternatives analysis. You can't let the applicant define alternatives. It's the PUC that has an obligation to look at alternative locations. Well, that's kind of having been witness to probably 50 PUC hearings at least in person. They rely on the applicants. In this law process, I will say that the legislature's continually looking at trying to improve. They rely heavily on the applicants. It's full disclosure. I worked for Vermonters for a clean environment. And one of the entities that we dogged is the PUC and we've been really pressing them and they have been responsive in improving the process and making it more friendly and more responsive to public representation and public input. But that said, they are heavily relied on applicants and what applicants representations are in terms of meeting the criteria that the PUC has to review. And it's really up to opponents to rebut. And it's not always the case, but it's common that if there's no public interest, these things tend to sell through, which I think is not good. And I'm not trying to malign them. Can you see, but it's just, they're swamped. And so, you know, like so many things, if you have good legal representation, competent legal representation and deep pockets, you see a better result oftentimes out of this. And in our course. Is the fair here in the state, what is it called? A citizen, it's like there's a staff entity that's supposed to represent the public interest. Yeah, that's the public service department. They have an office of public advocate or something. Yeah, public advocate. But I'm not gonna comment on that. Yeah. Yeah, so it's not. What I will say, the most important review criterion or criteria are the, for our purposes, are the, there is the PUC's evaluation of whether the project fits within the Worcester plan and the language in Worcester plan, whether it is directive enough to decide whether or not this, for instance, this is a good location or whether this thing should, as proposed should happen at all. The, so too with the regional plan, same kind of review, so. Good, thank you. Okay, sounds good, but keep us posted. And when we need to, we can put together a letter. Okay. Sounds good. Thank you. Thank you, John, Bill. Yeah, cheers. I'm going to go in here to just put in the W, and place all our in to the agenda. Well, we might actually be able to finish up before 10 o'clock tonight, if, maybe. I don't want to jinx it. So I have a suggestion, you know, there's a lot of new folks on the DRV. The DRV and the DAV recently have had projects where the DAV makes a recommendation to the DRV. There's been some, there's questions about, and about conflicts, you know. DAV is advisory only, DRV issues decisions. I just think it would be helpful, like I said, there are several new members, which is great. And then I'll take the train and jump in. I think there are still, I think, a question and answer and time with Jen, ask some of these, ask some of these questions. Yeah, what about this? Yeah, what about this? What about that? It might be really helpful. It might be really helpful. And, you know, so I think this is something that has always, always loved me about the DAV, and I'm probably going to get hate mail from this. But, as a selector, we are so concerned about conflict of interest, and perception of conflict of interest. Yet we have defined in the DAV membership, or eligibility criteria, that the makeup of that is an advisory board, which evaluate problems as far as different kinds of problems are considered, that a majority of the members, three of the five, if I get this right, four of them, not three of the five? Three of the four. Well, you guys and I would be talking about something different. You're saying what's in our, are you going to say what's in our, like, what's required? It's in the zone, it's in the zone. It says that, basically a majority, majority, to live, to reside, I can start this work. Great, great. So, you know, that sets up a concentration of people with a concentrated interest, and not a broad view of the greater interest of the town. And then the DAV, the DAV, the DAV, I'd say. Design advisory board. And so, I would like this board to seriously, seriously know that we have, select board member, member, lives on a pond, feels personally, at some level, conflicted, because he's got concerned about the future of that pond, which is a piece of, whatever, topographic architecture within our town. Yet, we have folks on the board, a majority of the folks that have been appointed to this DAV that are, live within the village, the village, they have an insane market, that same market for their village, for their village, not a water, it's not a water, water-based, water-based architecture, and that's not a conflict. And if it is a conflict, we are forcing that conflict by definition. I think that needs to be evaluated. I think it's a big issue. I think it's problematic as development pressure continues and we start seeing pressure. Okay, I think we'll have, I agree with you. I think, I think what has to happen, and I'll have to look at the design, the advisory guidelines, probably need to be updated for that and specifically speak to who should serve. Maybe it's okay if there's one person. As long as it's not a majority. Because right now, for the DAV, we have John McCullough, who is also zoning administrator. Kirk Jansen, David Sheets, and Ryan Edwards. So I'm only counting, yeah. So I think there's only, I don't know if there's somebody else on there or not, I can't remember, but anyways, it doesn't matter. But I think that would be a good question that we could give to Jim ahead of time for other training to think about. And then we could look at the guidelines and see if it, if it says, doesn't say anyone in those guidelines, who should determine the score. I think it's in the zoning. I think it's in our zoning regulation. We would take the change to the zoning regulation. We're gonna be working on zoning regulations. I mean, that's down the road, but I just want to get that on your screen. But the DRB and, so it would be DRB, DAB, ZA, and any select board member that wants to attend. I mean, like I said, Jim did this training all year ago. Anybody who did the DRB has to take it. But I think that there's probably questions out there that people have, that everyone would benefit from hearing the answer. So you're raising a different issue. And you're saying, let's get everybody trained on what is. You're saying we should consider the fact that we're actually requiring people who serve on the design as an advisory board to be creative within the districts that are affected. Except for Ryan, doesn't. Well, but he says, as a matter of order, we should be saying the minority, but that's a whole nother issue from what I'm talking about. Right, it's an interesting question and I want to think about it, but I agree with what you were saying. Yeah. Okay, so we'll get that rock and roll. So this is gonna be like a, remember we got the one before? Yeah, I mean, what I was gonna suggest is this, is that the price of an admission that you mentioned that you actually have done with the blue screen. Well, we only require DRB. Okay, I do that. Well, then we do try everything. Well, I think that, here's why, because people are gonna come in not having watched it and ask a bunch of questions that they're not all gonna be the same. I think that, that would discourage people. Well, I'm not sure, that's a problem, yeah. We need an approach, we need an encourage. Right, I think that we can require this new training for everyone on the DRB, DAB, ZA. Don't get into anything. And moving forward, why can't we require the movie for everybody? We could, we could. We just never thought about it, but DAB. Right, why don't we encourage everybody to watch the movie before they come to the stage? Right, I think that's good, but I think we can require all the other folks to attend. Does that make sense? Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Okay. What do I put in notes? I'll write them. Okay, I'll write them in notes. Okay, so, other updates, we have a slew of minutes that are outstanding. You've reviewed them all, I've reviewed them all. Would you take it on? I would put your comments, if there's any problem with them. Can we just approve a slew of minutes? Yes. And these would be, let's see. All the ones in the folder. All the ones in the folder. So that's November 27th, what do you say? I'm not sure, how long do you think it will be? I don't make any motion. We will approve the slew later in the next. Being, November 27th, of 2021. Commuting, meeting. And 12, 6, 21. All right. 12, 9, 21. 12, 13, 21. 12, 27, 21. 22, 12, 9. 12, 9. 12, 13. 21, 12, never carry it. 12, 9, let's see, 12, 13. 12, 27. Okay, and then January 10th, and January 24th, 2022. So moved. 12, 12, 22, 12, 27. 12, 27. 110, 22, and 124, 22. So I made the motion, are you seconding it? Oh, that was okay. Yeah. John is seconding it. I'm sorry, give me a second, I'm still putting. 110, 22, what's the last one? 124, 22. Okay, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Okay, any opposed hearing none. All right, that's it. Hang on though, one more thing under old business. Do, there was some female input from people about the town highway number seven, and the site was it were upcoming? Yeah, I haven't circled back on that yet. Are we, my question is, my question, and I wanted to give enough context that it means something for Rick and for anybody watching this, but do we have to, in order for us to go to that site visit with anything being possible, do we have to reopen the motion that we already made? I have to look at it again. That's the question. That's the question. Well, we agreed to do the site visit on, and I just looked at this quickly today. In April, is it like the 10th or the 16th or something? Because Reed raised a concern. Exactly. About changing the classification to something, not being discontinued, but being a trail or something, a change of view. So I think it might be true that our motion was around discontinuing, and that what we should make the motion on, maybe at the next meeting is, no, no, no, we mean we were going there to look at it and consider a change of use if that could be broader than, yes. If that's not the opportunity to read Jim's email. Jim Barlow. I didn't read it. If I did, I forgot. So Jim Barlow advised that the language was correct in our point of notice, and that if we wanted this in a trail or else, because discontinuance, you need to, he said that, he said that, discontinuance, discontinuance, if I get this right, we would go up saying to them, say in their decision to discontinue discontinue, designate it as a trail or a trail, and then we'd make that in our first, we used the first part, the first part, the members all right, the memory moved to discontinue, discontinue, discontinue, discontinue, and some part to that, we could say, and then say, after discontinue, discontinuance, discontinue, discontinue, discontinue, discontinue, discontinue, not set up smudder in the trail? There was a argument that discontinue, yes no no, change the use from class three or four to a trail Yea, when you discontinue and then afterwards discontinue you then designate a new string. You resurrect it. It doesn't suddenly go away. We haven't conveyed it. You said the dude, you really need to say it. You're a lawyer, it's what you've been speaking for a long time. No, I get it, which is, so one way or another, however Jim parses the stages, we can still do it. We have his, OK, so I just want it noted that according to John's interpretation, we have done nothing to compromise that being what we do. We don't have to revisit them. Or that was the notes that I just mentioned. Yeah, I didn't need to. I can be clear on that. Well, I don't have to listen to you. So, John, John, could you send Rip an email with kind of what you just said? I'm just going to resend Jim's email to us. Well, that doesn't help with the notes, though. I wouldn't, I wouldn't do that. You know, Rip, I will write a paragraph because I was the one with the question. And I will, because I don't think we need to get into it. So it didn't say, but because Jim, what Jim said, according to John, the whole business, is we don't have to revisit the motion that all things are possible. Here's how we can conclude this without ever anybody having to circle back. How John interprets Jim Barlow's email on time highway seven and then me, and Denise, and the motion that we made is all things are possible under the existing motion. We don't have to change it. It doesn't limit our ability to get up. That's the same as all things are possible. All things are possible. Right. It doesn't limit our ability to turn it into a trail. We haven't, yeah, we haven't completed that. OK. That's all the business advice. All right. Anybody want to make a motion to adjourn? Sure. I'm going to pop up. Yeah. So that if you need to make an exception if you're longer, you don't have to go with it. Oh, that's cool. All right. All right. All those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. And we'll soon see some of you on Thursday.