 Kind of come to realize that it's probably more along the lines of people getting like Stuff in their headset from their producer of like what they're setting up or how close they are to break and all that stuff But for me, it's always just me setting up my own Stuff like it is it is the you're the producer giving yourself the setup I mean if it's a pregnant pause then it should have a little baby thought come out of it. Yeah Exactly, and then the first thing that baby says who am I? None of your business and the second thing is And the third thing That's that's all it has to say. I Know it's a morning show It's Justin and Tommy Eating up the airwars And to you Roger I say Yeah Blogging out the haters That's overused so we're used certainly overused by me Well, I think we're gonna have a lovely show because Fired up about this time. Let's go ahead and do the intro 128 on That is so that is so radio talk show the music. That's amazing. What is that song? That is my city is gone, but it's it's it's the Rush Limbaugh song. That's why that's why I know it. Okay. Yeah Yeah, when I do the Rush Limbaugh. Yeah. Yeah, you know, it's not snurdly James Comey my formerly tobacco is staying Yeah Let's bring Justin back. Yeah, hi. Hey good. All right. Here we go. You ready? Yeah Hey, you yeah, you do you want to help out the daily tech news show? Well, it's really easy Just go to daily tech news show comm slash support and find out how This is the Daily Tech News for Thursday, June 8th 2017 I'm Tom Mara Justin Robert Young is sitting right alongside me in the theater of your mind Well, hello friends good to be here I'm not gonna lie to you my my my internal clock is thrown off a little bit because I had to wake up a A couple hours early to those ridiculous I woke up this morning Early, I woke up early to for different reasons. Yeah, and I I'm picking up my phone and I see a notification Jerry has gone live. I'm like what the and then I'm like, oh, right, right. There's the whole Comey thing That's so how did that? How did your coverage go? Very very well. We were very excited to do it We were in partnership with the Daily Dot, which was the first time that we've ever worked with a media partner and anything like that And we are joined by Scott Johnson it was it was really really fun to do it and I was excited to be a part of a moment in history a Moment in history. You know what I noticed I watched the Spanish state television news every day and they generally cover the big US stories Yeah, touch this didn't care didn't even talk about it. How are you even gonna explain it? Yeah All right, we are gonna talk about One of the big things missing from all the big developer conference Announcements, we've had WWDC from Apple. We've had Google I. Oh, we've had Microsoft build. We've had f8 Read the Facebook partial credit on this one, but none of them really talking about password authentication and It's something that's very very interesting especially in this The summer of sharks Let's start with a few tech things you should know about Recode sources say Verizon may lay off around a thousand people after the merger of Yahoo and AOL the jobs would account for just less than 20% of the combined workforce and Reduce redundancies in HR finance and marketing. Yahoo shareholders voted today on Thursday to approve the company sale to Verizon for 4.48 billion dollars and the deal is expected to close on June 13th 2017, you know Justin some children have gone there are entire adult lives with Verizon waiting to buy Yahoo At least if they were 18 last summer when this started You know, this is obviously a merger that has been fraught with problems Very close to a deal and then all of a sudden Yahoo has to admit all these Security improprieties Verizon now wants to renegotiate get a little discount on the package since things have been scratched and dented a little bit now Seems as if everything is going to be all sewn up by June 13th But these layoffs feel like very common for companies this large, right? Oh, yeah, I mean the thousand number does sound big But they're two big companies and I wouldn't be surprised if we see a couple more rounds before this is all said and done Yeah, it seems like at this point what they're saying is these are not key product people necessarily these are Office staff, you know, you don't necessarily if you're going to combine Offices and you're gonna combine resources and everybody's gonna fall under one HR tree You don't need two heads of HR. You don't need to see if O's This is don't forget. This is all gonna be under the oath Internal brand Yahoo and AOL will be oath companies Yes, I don't know why they did I sure okay, they're oath And I guess most of those thousand people that get laid off and say that that means everybody those one thousand are the first oath breakers Ali Baba forecast 45 to 49% revenue growth for the fiscal year ending in March well above analyst expectations from of 35% or so Expansion from online shopping into cloud computing and media streaming seem to have paid off cloud computing services in particular Now account for about 5% of overall sales to reflect this expansion Ali Baba will begin reporting quote active customers or active consumers Rather than buyers Yes, so the the bottom line here is a lot of people have been worried about Ali Baba and Tencent's bottom lines given the slowing Chinese economy Yeah, and Ali Baba has shown well. We are not subject to one country's economy Yes, China is our dominant market But we are diversifying within that market and also they're they're putting feelers out in other markets around the world It's gonna take a little longer for the other markets around the world to show up in the bottom line if they're gonna show up But Ali Baba Becoming more than just the eBay of China and also becoming more than just a Chinese company You know, we're in a very interesting place with a lot of these companies and Ali Baba is probably the biggest example of them Because even if the Chinese economy slows a lot of these companies that have not only a stronghold in China in a traditional kind of economic market idea but also our Companies that the Chinese government wants to see not only do well but remain Competitive if not dominant against global American brands You got to wonder whether or not they will ever feel a wilting in the way that let's say an American retail brand In a bear market would yeah So good it's good news and it keeps their string of 40% revenue growth going I mean, I guess these are these are forecasts for the fiscal year, but these these forecasts generally do On purpose you very close to what you end up with because they're basically going on the numbers They know so far and they're saying we still got a few more things to calculate it might drift one way or another a tiny bit But this is a pretty solid number. Well, and also, you know, I guess what one more thing about the cloud computing in China I wonder whether or not that that is You wouldn't think from our vantage point a cloud computing company in China that as such ties to the Chinese government or where the Chinese government can Make life very very difficult for you if you do not want to play ball whether or not a data storage Option from them would would be something that a lot of people would would go after from our perspective But you know, obviously they're doing very well with it. Yeah, I mean, that's an outside of China viewpoint if you're inside China You look at Alibaba as a solid forward-thinking company and you don't have a lot of other options cloud storage wise because Non-Chinese companies have been tentative to go into that Chinese market because of restrictions Great point Amazon changed its Amazon Drive plans eliminating the unlimited storage option speaking of cloud options Here outside of China the options just get worse Amazon's $59 at 99 cents a year plan now has a cap of one terabyte. So it's still pretty big Customers can add storage at $60 a terabyte if they want more than a terabyte So basically it's just $60 a terabyte now And you have a maximum of 30 terabytes that you could buy prime members still receive unlimited photo storage So they still want you to stick your photos on Amazon Those won't count against your limit if you are a current unlimited customer at the end of your subscription Whether you did a month or a year or whatever You will be switched to the terabyte plan because it's the same cost and you will from that moment from the moment Your current subscription ends and the new terabyte subscription begins. You'll have a hundred eighty days That's six months To get under the limit if you don't get under the limit in a hundred eighty days They just delete the most recent files Backwards in time until they get you to a terabyte Two thoughts on this number one We need a name for the grand continuum of all that is capped will be unlimited And all that is unlimited will be capped right because that is that is just it's happened now one one and a half times in Mobile data usage right and yeah similar things is the BS gene the Battlestar Galactica in yes of storage All of this is happening before and all of it will happen again And eventually it's gonna get to unlimited and then it'll get capped again And then we'll get to unlimited that'll get capped again I think to me though for Amazon the big question here is does unlimited equal enterprise have we blurred the line so much that Anybody who wants to create something that would involve storing a gigantic amount of information Can take advantage of an unlimited plan that is designed for more of the I? Just want to store a bunch of stuff on my comp well you off my computer Yeah, is it a few small actors saying I don't want to pay for Amazon web services I'm just gonna use this unlimited drive here and then get by on that That caused the problem that makes the sysad and make the recommendation that gets the marketing manager to agree for the Product manager to implement the new limit It's yeah, that's usually the way it rolls because I'm sure that they come to that terabyte number by looking at all their data usage and saying yeah 98% of people who are on this plan will be totally fine with a terabyte will not even notice because We'll just slip them a card for AWS Yeah, and they're giving them plenty of time six months is plenty of time to get under the limit I bet and listen we are in a very competitive market for Places to store your stuff, you know like it and I mean if if if you have a legitimate need for this and $60 is not crippling for you You can you can also just pay for another terabyte if you've got one and a half terabytes on there And they they switch you to the new plan you can up it to two terabytes. They're giving you that option to $60 a year is insanely cheap That's that's that's great Cisco's visual network index projects 82% of all consumer IP traffic will be video 2021 and that total traffic will grow from 3.3 zettabytes annually That's around 278 exabytes per month Cisco expects there to be 3.5 network devices per capita worldwide by 2021 last year The number was 2.3 Average network speeds will reach 53 and Megabits per second megabits per second. Yeah, the devices per capita I want to point out is interesting because That's doesn't seem like a big jump, but you're talking worldwide You're talking everybody people who don't even have an internet count So that average is over a smaller population. Maybe then it would be otherwise. However You also have to remember that Number devices per person is growing a lot. I mean think about I mean I have a ridiculous number of devices because of this job But even if I didn't I might have a tablet a phone a laptop and maybe an Apple TV or a Roku, right? That's four. That's above average already right there. Yeah, it's very very easy And it's also easy to remember a time when we would think well, we don't need a smart device because I have my laptop Right and now we have found a reason to justify Multiple on us at all times. Yeah, and go back to I mean honestly the 82% of it being video by by 2021 not a huge surprise And again, this is consumer traffic. They're discounting enterprise traffic and things like that. I I think I was mostly attracted to that part of the story because Zeta bites. I mean We're not even talking exabytes anymore. We're talking Zeta bites of data flipping around That's that's pretty impressive. You can complain all you want about slow broadband and And Skype dropouts and hangout drifting and all of this but think about it folks You know going back to that laptop where you felt capacious because you had 10 megabytes of storage Feel the power We're gonna be generating Zeta bites of traffic Yeah I'm actually looking forward to the day where I can get a Zeta bite hard drive I'm gonna tell you what that day is probably closer than we think and as to the 80% you got to figure that's Not only the popularity of video and the ubiquity of it But also the fact that we're going to continue to get bigger higher quality being delivered over any and all The ports of the internet. Oh, yeah I mean that's a big part of Cisco's calculation here is you know All video becomes HD at this point for the most part and then a 4k an HDR video Starts to increase quite a bit Finally Microsoft confirmed it as acquired an Israeli startup called Hexadite Which uses artificial intelligence to identify and protect against attacks Microsoft says hexadite will be folded into its security efforts for commercial Windows 10 users specifically Windows defender advanced threat protection Hexadite can detect and stop small issues on its own Raising larger ones to human teams when necessary that takes the pressure off gives people more time and and his Been shown in tests to improve response time to security threats IDC estimates the enterprise will spend nearly 82 billion dollars on security software this year And a big show enough for Israeli tech startups. I feel like I hear I hear that Moniker more and more so they definitely get acquired Yeah for significant amounts of money quite regularly. You're right They're almost like I got like that like like what like Russia is to NHL players or Is the NBA players right the the the feeding ground Scout in Tel Aviv and they're going the Caribbean for baseball. It's real for startups Put a couple guys there you make sure you see what the scene is you scoop them up before they make their way to America I I'm gonna drop in just Roger. I just wanted to add that like Israel has made a conscious effort in that region Because I mean there it's it's an area of devoid of a lot of natural resources So they really leverage Their people and even Intel Their their lab there was the one that actually came up with the micro architecture for the the core processors So everything that kind of derived from there was based on that work So I mean it is a hotbed of yeah, not just start us but just a lot of research labs and and a lot of Tech research that is like just off the wall like crazy Yeah, a lot of effort going into it for sure and by the way I just a reminder Israel is about the physical size of New Jersey and much of it is desert So it is not a big place, but making a big impact as to this news Hexadite very very interesting for You know to another way to fold AI into our daily life I feel like that this is probably its own meme generator at this point, right? Yeah, in fact it leads us to today's main topic So I just want to remind folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Find out other things that are that are going on keep up to date Not have to to worry about a time strain and still remain Current on the tech news check out daily tech headlines daily tech headlines comm it is there on your Amazon Echo as a flash briefing It's on the new anchor app at anchor FM And it's available as a good old-fashioned podcast of daily tech headlines comm All right, so Why aren't any of the major tech companies talking about solving authentication? I went back and I looked because we've had big announcements Well, we had Samsung with the galaxy s8, but we've had these big developers conferences f8 build I owe WWDC hardly any time in any of these long Keynotes was given to one of the biggest problems users of technology, which is password authentication. We're talking about hexadite You know being being a valuable startup to keep networks secure We're talking about IDC estimating 82 billion dollars on security software this year one of the reasons That we have so many security vulnerabilities now I'm not trying to say it's the only reason but one of the reasons is People use weak passwords and why do people use weak passwords because it's really hard to remember passwords it's a real pain to have to log in to things and password databases Hackers go through unlike tissue paper. There's there's a there's a breach every week So I went back through Justin. Yep build I owe WWDC in the keynotes. Yeah, nothing Jack nothing F8 at least touched on account recovery if you remember they they announced their delegated account recovery. That's where Developer can use an API to store a token on Facebook and if you forget your password You can recover it using your Facebook account. There's no information shared between Facebook and that account thing It's just something Facebook wants to do because it makes people want to use a Facebook account That's a step down the road of this, but that is not getting rid of passwords. That's still that's password recovery So why why Justin when Google in 2015 and 2016? Had whole segments in Google IO About password management and getting rid of passwords and they joined Fido which was created in 2013 and is still going With the effort to make an open standard for authentication that would eventually ease and maybe get rid of passwords Why are we hearing these companies say nothing about it? Not to mention the fact that there seems to be a tremendous Pot of gold at the end of the rainbow for all of these companies that scrap claw and fight for people to remain Logged in to their services the reason why Apple and Amazon have had tremendous success with the iTunes store on Apple side and the everything store on Amazon side is because people remain Logged in and creating an easier way to do that is key. You can say that at least Apple has Created on their flagship product the iPhone a thumb sensor that has sought a Way to to expedite and make more secure Your thumbprint being your password and has opened that up to developers for their apps But you are right man. It feels like somebody that is able to radically change how we look at authentication Could give themselves a tremendous step forward. However, the other side of this is You know in Samsung's case They had their Iris scanner and now all of a sudden that is revealed to be not quite as secure as you might have thought and That was no different than the thumbprint scanner on on touch ID Apple's touch ID was immediately shown to be spoofable as well. These are single factors. We're talking about with iris scanning I would push back slightly that the process by which you could spoof a thumb on the thumbprint Was more involved than holding up a picture like they could do for now The iris scanner required more than just holding up a picture I had to take a picture with with with an infrared camera and you had to be in line of sight and get it at a high Resolution, I mean maybe a little easier still not something everybody's gonna do not something everybody could do but still but but like It's still something that is appropriate to bring up in the summer Because you're absolutely right this is a security issue, but also it's an ease of use and and that's what all of these Companies theoretically really want is to make it easier and safer for you to use their products But anybody that has stepped out into this water has realized that hey look Maybe passwords as fallible as they might be are here for a reason because everybody has agreed on the idea that this is Secure enough and and I'm not coming out of this with like I'm so sick of passwords Why can't anybody come up with something to replace passwords? I'm coming at this after years of Google telling me Hey, we've got project abacus and the promise here is we could get rid of passwords and we could have secure login By learning who you are and being able to log you in based on Device, maybe it's your phone. Maybe it's a ring That builds up authentication during the day. Maybe it's a combination of both something you are something you have Something you know we can we can have all of this and none of it has to be some some horrible password That's hard to remember you don't have to keep all your passwords in a password manager I mean this is Google has been telling me this for two years and then dropped dead silent about it This year other companies PayPal helped start Fido with the idea of we really need to get past the password authentication thing So I'm not coming up with this companies have been telling me we think we can do this for years And then it just struck me that at least in the first half of 2017 They're talking a lot about protecting your privacy But nothing about making it easier to log in and protect your security that way Why do you think this is less of a priority now than it was two years ago based solely on their public statements? I think a lot of it has to do with it being harder than they thought And I think that's perfectly fair to say, you know what we thought we could do this And we just can't get a system that really works well I I think a lot of it has to do with as much as you say there's a pot of gold at the end There's also a lot of cost in doing this and it may not balance out and they may say look You know what fingerprint scanners and iris scanners are great. Wow factors that make people feel more secure Even if they don't get rid of passwords, so let's spend our time on those instead. I Think the question is do you dare to go three steps forward and if you fail you go four steps back? Yeah, because the last thing that you want is to erode company trust between its user base Where now you are the less secure? Version of it where I think it's that classic standard situation, right? You you you don't want to go out on the limb and then have everybody else go You know what we're gonna stick with passwords because then you won't succeed because you need everybody to do whatever it is Yes, you need to strike the cord that resonates with the rest of the industry Which means that there's really only a few companies that can do it and I would say probably Apple and Google are The only two that I think that if they came out with a Dominant awesome clearly more secure easier way to access all of the features that you love with these products that it would Resonate immediately. I think if people would adopt it or do you need Amazon? Microsoft Facebook Apple and Google to all adopt You could even possibly leave Apple out and wait for them to catch up later like they often do But without the majority of those you're not gonna get it done now Fido Fido has Google and Microsoft and Samsung and Dropbox and PayPal like they have big guns So that makes me think well wait a minute. You don't think Amazon and Facebook might jump in here If it looked like they had the thing I think they might I think it's that nobody has figured it out yet and Companies like Ubico. Okay. Ubiqui is one of the the Fido Alliance's poster children, right? It's it's hey your second factor should definitely not be SMS. It's probably okay as an authenticator, but what's really good is if you have a Key, it's something you have you have an actual key you stick in a USB port. That's you because you be key Ubico got funding to go beyond authentication They say our new plan is to expand with more advanced software and services including for Internet of Things payments and server Encryption so even Ubico, which is on the front lines is One problem. They're like you want to know what there's a lot of other problems You know what security and encryption seem to be where the money's at right now Yes, solving passwords might make security encryption less necessary But we could sure make a lot of money if we get into security and encryption. I want to know where the gold's at Give me the gold so I'm curious what I'm I don't have an answer to this one at all I I'm curious what folks out there think Especially if there's anybody that's been working on this kind of thing is that this to me feels like the ultimate DDNS audience I'm sure that there are people that are listening to us right now that are climbing up the walls and are saying well Yeah, but you don't know this and I use this and here are these solutions. I've been working I've been developing for Fido for three years. These are the the roadblocks that we've hit These are the things companies are doing that make us hard for us to make advances all that kind of stuff Oh, we want all of it. Where can people email Tom feedback at Daily Tech news show dot com And of course if you run across a good story, even if you're not directly involved You can post it at our subreddit Daily Tech news show dot reddit comm which helps us build the rundown So either one of those feedback at Daily Tech news show comm is where Alan char wrote today Said look if you're a serious hardcore VR developer You will have no problem with dropping five grand or more for a super powerful Apple branded developer system Of course, he's talking about the iMac Pro especially since Apple updates its pro systems on a longer cycle than its other computers You would want the most powerful machine they make even if it seems like more power than you need at the moment For computers and hardware in general, this is the market where Apple is most comfortable the high end of the power curve Where they can have higher margins both because it's less a commodity market and because they can charge a premium for their brand name Since price is not going to be a primary driver for the purchase I don't think they will make their way back down to illustrators Sorry Scott or even video editors were capable hardware is now more of a commodity than a premium I think they would rather battle in a new space where they think their business model has an advantage Rather than existing space where they've lost Competition to hardware manufacturers by the way I've worked at plenty of medium to large enterprises and any place large enough to have an IT department And handles purchase setup and installation will never bother to upgrade components As Peter says they will just replace the whole computer every two to three years In fact, I think I'm about due for a laptop upgrade at my current job So he's arguing as are a few others But he's one of the first ones to make this argument in our feedback that Apple doesn't care about the creative professionals that are illustrators and video editors They care about people doing 3d animation doing virtual reality doing the really high-end stuff So I I do I had not read much into this line of thought But I think it makes a world of sense that for everybody saying oh Apple left Creative professionals behind no they left you behind Because you can get the adobe cloud service for very cheap. It's a very very good product You can get a cheaper machine or you can use it on one of their more Consumery Laptops can can certainly run those adobe cloud services. So that's why they have let these These products not only the hardware, but also the software like Final Cut Pro Language because there it just is not the money in the way that it used to be 10 years ago Yeah, it makes it makes sense. I don't know I can't tell if it was intentional or not or if they thought well Maybe we can go to a different market and then said that now we need some of those high-end people still That's that's important to our product development But yeah, they they sort of abandoned all high-end professionals and now they're going back and saying But what we really care about are the super high-end professionals, which is what video editors were in the 1990s And and you know, I'm not saying video editors aren't high-end people But the tools you need don't have to be as high in and expensive as they used to I mean now You can edit very very credible stuff on your phone. Yeah, he sold you that No, it's crazy and granted if you're a professional editor. No, you can't do your job on a phone But you can still do it on Adele probably do it on a MacBook Pro. Yeah Probably do it on Roger I'm gonna drop in and on drop in say this That you're right if you were just editing if you were a predator like you're a news guy and you're putting together your story You're right. You don't need anything that powerful. However, however, if you're you're dropping you're dropping lingo What is a predator for everybody predator is a producer slash video editors wait for news a Local news departments that could save money by hiring one person that does multiple jobs instead of hiring multiple people to do all those jobs But one of the things I put especially if you're heavy in the creative cloud One of the things that people need to do especially if they want to continue video editing is to have a very deep understanding of things like Adobe After Effects now, it's not to say that running each of those applications Independently is going to bring your system to its knees But if you're in a standard workflow, you're gonna be running at least five of those applications concurrently at the same time Because you're bringing assets in for example an image and you drop me in the photo shot You make you tweak you take that out drop it in the premiere Or if you wanted to drop in Adobe After Effects you do whatever motion Graphics to that and then you bring that into premiere. I mean it's once you start doing all that what listen to yourself though You bring it into premiere. Yeah on a Dell latitude laptop with a bunch of RAM in it You don't need the big high-end machine No, no, but if you're doing Adobe After Effects you will you actually know you I don't think you need that Xeon processor You put it this way You don't need the same level of machine that you need to do VR to do no that's high level 3d And that's all we're saying is and you you you can find plenty of machines that can handle After Effects And other things these days you can't find as many machines that can do that other and my complaint wasn't so much the I'll save it for after the show but Now you got it now you got it So much was the iMac Pro. I don't know. I'm still skeptical in the iMac Pro not so much on a Mac Pro, but an iMac Pro Framing that I think you're agreeing with Alan Which is like you don't need an iMac Pro for for video editing and stuff and what Alan's saying is yeah And I don't think Apple's targeting it at those people although you will need it if you're doing color correction because they're Non-pro model a monitor uses image did or a pixel dithering, which is a no no Well, or you could just use a different Yeah, which is still Yeah, but you're still you might be adding less money than $5,000 for an iMac Pro All right, I got some funny in the chat room. All right Sorry Roger C. You're not high-end enough says Ken from Chicago I think that's what Alan's saying. Thank you Roger. Roger does video editing. So it's it's oh, yeah He knows from where off he speaks. I always just know we're doing a good a very good or a very bad show We can rile up Roger to just come thundering in I love it. Yeah, I think it's good stuff Thank you Justin Robert Young for joining us today what you've got going on besides covering the homey hearings Oh, man. We got so much coming up Shooting the video for action news my new card game that'll be kick starting on June 30th this weekend if you want to make sure that you are in the loop on that Just go ahead on over to Kickstarter comm right now search for the contender and Follow that account. We're gonna launch it on that exact same account that we did for the contender two years ago and other than that Well, hey Tom, you can go do a twitch that TV slash Justin our young follow me there Where you will see everything that I do excellent Thanks everybody who gives a little value back for the value they get from the show one of the things We do for folks who give $5 a month. 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I think all alan's saying is True, but you you wouldn't have to go to apple and you wouldn't have to spend $5,000 to find a capable mission And I totally agree with him. Yeah, I think one of the things I wanted to mention it totally spaced on me No, I was talking because I was so riled up They don't have a software dongle yet to go with the machine before they had they had a Final cut pro or they had some other application that could tie in you mean bundle not dongle. Yeah bundle I say dongle because it's it's very much the way that light wave was a dongle for The video toaster for the longest time, right? It was a way that There was a point in time where the video toaster No longer was the only solution, but people wanted light wave to do all the the cool Graphic animations that they could um, so the but they had to buy it as a bundle. So I'm I'm I'm wondering Does apple have something in the wings that they're going to unleash in order to kind of Well, that's what rich straffolino is saying in our in our producer's slack Uh this morning was he he was surprised. They didn't have a vr software and I think that's what ar kit is pointing to I I I would be surprised if next wwdc There isn't some kind of ar development software That apple doesn't come out with Yeah, I I I totally think that the um the biggest uh The the the biggest point in that email which I thought was brilliant is just What is the video what video editing was? Back 10 years ago. Yeah You know because like the thing that you couldn't do for that price before and now you can Yeah, because it's a thing that takes hundreds of thousands of dollars now that a $5,000 machine that can do it Suddenly seems like a huge bargain Because we we we've said for years. Oh my god these these consumer level Products and and hardware is is so good, you know, like you can do quality stuff And then we saw you know the rise of of youtube and and small format stuff where people were doing stuff Or like, you know stuff that would get them television and movie deals, uh, you know on final cut or eye movie stuff like that And you know now it's like okay. Well between the standard coming down a little bit and the ability to do it on on regular consumer hardware, uh, you're right that the top end stuff will always Require top end machinery. It just apple doesn't necessarily Need to play there or at least in their opinion apparently. Yeah, what we're gonna call this little rendezvous, uh We didn't say unlimited forever Cloudy with a chance of data cap You can't work for me now Take a zed bite of this reality a i is real Get an a is Too many cooks spoil the off Um, I think it's that right apple wants to catch a predator. I don't know Kind of uncomfortable with that one Uh, during also they spelled predator predator instead of Like editor. Yeah, which makes it even I know that's just a typo, but But uh reminds you uh that dateline msmec stuff, uh the unlimited bait and switch It's the bsg of storage We need a continuum though. We need like a name a name for the continuum of of everything that is That is unlimited will be capped everything that is free will be caged and everything that is caged will be free Um topsy-turvy day Freaky friday, I'm freaky friday freaky bandwidth Friday continuum All that is Lindsay Lohan will be jamie lee curtis Curtis will be Lindsay Lohan. It's interesting that you know that one I always associate with the one jody foster in it. Right. What's the jody foster? Yeah Child jody foster. Yeah, but who's the who's the adult? I don't remember the adult Yeah, I don't know That's why we can't have nice storage Amazon gets cloudy on the unlimited. I this one. I would definitely like something about the password stuff if we could swing it password I kind of like too many cooks boil the off. Yeah All right Oh, was the uh the the uh great barbara harris Uh barbara harris That was the jody foster mom She wasn't something else that I dirty rotten scandals that And then they get to have oh, alfred schisman Freaky friday the regulars Peggy suga married. Oh often. Yeah, when she played the mother kevin during peggy suga married All right, too many cooks spoil the off it is I'm gonna freeze that while I There we go Darker dimmer is back. He's back in action. Um It's back in fine form What does fine feddle mean? Fine feddled he's he's back in a fine feddle on a fine feddle The feddle slaying for A state or condition of health fitness wholeness spirit or form often used in the phrase fine feddle Oh my Hey, by the way speaking of fine feddle Do we know when when the uh uk results start rolling in? Oh, I don't know. They should be any moment now. I would think oh exit poll shows hung parliament Wait, it does Lib Dems did the lib Dems have a higher showing or something the earliest indication of the election released To broadcasters as polls closed at 10 p.m. Show the Tories have won with 314 of the vote. I believe they need 320 something The largest party, but they won't No, they'll need Oh, Jesus Christ Whatever was Doing that was making the answer four questions on a survey with an autoplay video behind it What fresh hell What site was that? The sun I think I just go to the bbc. I figure though won't provide me too much exit polls Tories set to be largest parties as uh bbc But may not but may not have a majority Lib Dems 14 labor 266 u kip none smp 34 That's the latest anyway And for anyone outside the uk those uh, a lot of those acronyms probably mean nothing Yeah, so the smb is a scottish national party the liberal democrats What's the pc? Planned plied comry. It's the wash party. And that was my bad. Welsh accent. Nice Plied comry Something like that. Anyway Yeah, this would be a real whoopsy doodle for Teresa Who called the snap election because she thought she had a strong enough Position Yeah, because she had a solid majority that she did not need to call an election for Didn't didn't Malcolm Turnbull in Australia do something similar? And he actually he thought he would get an even larger overwhelming share and actually lost. Oh, yeah well, he didn't lose but he lost a lot of his Seats to uh They could stand to lose what what she really wanted was her term Would be ending right as a lot of the brexit the actual machinations of The brexit separation would be happening so I can understand where she came from and At that point Jeremy Corbyn Who is the head of the labor party the the the second largest party? His reputation was in such shambles that she figured let's let's strike while the iron's hot Um, so yeah, it wasn't necessarily a larger party. It was just her term She would have had to call an election in the midst of brexit Mechanism and negotiations, which right right. I've forgotten about that part of it But she also thought she could solidify her mandate Which again isn't necessarily mean a larger amount Well, and also would mean also she would just be officially the candidate of Yeah a independent because what what a lot of people may not realize either is she she did not come to power Because of an election David Cameron was the prime minister who came under the last election He stepped down and the party put may up as prime minister. So this is also validating her as prime minister to run he basically Bet his prime minister ship On on brexit stay Yeah on remain And he left He brexit it and he brexit it minnow. He's Sipping pina coladas and getting caught in the rain Wait, and then he turns out that that was Theresa May and with the other ad that he answered No, no, because that's a really bad picture in my mind right now. Stop Does she have half a brain She like making love at midnight They're both horrible people in that song we can all agree on that No, yeah, my my wife says that all the time. It's like this is a horrible song Yeah, they deserve each other. They're perfect for each other exactly I got tired of my lady It's the only time I've ever seen the the lead singer of a band where a windbreaker during his performance. Oh really? some Maybe there's some other bands that do that, but he just looks like someone's dad Got up on karaoke like, you know open my karaoke night. It just got on stage and started singing If you like being your coladas Too many cooks All right, I think I've got this whole thing published or do I too many cooks spoil the off is the official title Roger I put you in the the hosts ID three tag since you spoke up twice So you can put that in your imdb Sure, I'm no longer credited with night songs With night songs. I used to be credited as a 54 year old An actor Like for a long time. There was another roger chang and I merged your your i-dbs So I had a history Acting history ranging all the way back to like 1960 something. That's funny. Even before I was born. It was amazing It's quite the actor Justin, are you on imdb? Uh, I think I might be It's gonna say you should be now because it's but if nothing else because of the discovery stuff On night attacks on there. Yeah, uh, a lot of stuff got it added on Oh, but you're just a writer on night attack Oh, no as self also on night attack. Yeah. Yeah, I'm I am myself on on all these things Uh Including parolee number one in prison logic as an actor I have two acting credits as max troll bot And as wait a minute. I have a credit as spider merit, but I didn't play spider merit You voice spider merit I guess I voiced him. Okay. Yeah says actor though. But yeah, all right. That's fine. That's fine. Yeah, but I only voiced max troll bot Wow I Have a long history um I got thanks. I have a game on credit with for thanks And producer, uh, where'd my call for help producer? I know call for help got yanked from there. What? I think I used to have screensavers call for help and unscrewed with martin sergeant and I still have unscrewed and screensavers, but Hmm Also, they're all the wrong titles, but whatever that's fine. What abs too many too many people adding things Yeah, or removing them Do you Oh, it's gonna be a fun time You just know the next hung parliament. What do they do? I mean can't they just can't I mean is it Well, it depends on what the number ends up being what they did last time was even though the lib dems had very few They had enough To be able to put them over the majority. So they just they just had a coalition with them If I I didn't check the math if it ends up being the lib dems only have 14 and you need 15 to make a majority I don't know what they do That could be a re that could be a re I might have to go back to the polls the stuff that I've read is That the Scottish national party would be the most likely type ranger partner That's fraught with peril though. Yeah, because Theresa may would have to change a lot of her brexit strategy To make that happen, especially for someone who has said maybe we'll just stay in the European Union in Nicola Sturgeon Well, yeah, but when I wonder what I mean, would it be like she's just like, okay, you guys get another Scottish referendum I Mean, but how do you do that? How do you say? Okay? We'll go into coalition government with a party that wants to have a referendum on leaving the united Well, this is why it's such a cliffhanger. Tom. I know Break out the digestives Yes, break out the digestives put the kettle on It's gonna be interesting. Oh my god. So much. We're living in history guys Ripping yarn take that jesus jones Yeah, in your face All right. Thanks everybody For watching. I I hope you enjoyed our dabbling in British politics Uh, and we will talk to you next time