 Next question is from L Patrick G. How would you recommend the programming of plyometrics in conjunction with resistance training? Maybe one of the most abused Definitely training methods. Nobody ever doesn't write it very very rare. No no no now have you guys ever program plyometrics for yourselves? Because I know with clients I have for some clients, but typically I don't because plyometrics are Explosive more performance oriented and the average person well only with athletes Yeah, that's the only time I'm ever even bringing that in to the workout now now DeFranco really convinced me that there's a role for plyometrics for the average person But he's not doing it this necessarily in the same way as it was a very controlled way to do it It is and and he convinced me he said look if you don't practice a Movement or an explosive movement skill you tend to lose that skill Yeah, and it made perfect sense because I know I know I'm feeling that in myself So the way I typically would program plyometrics is either on their own or Before I get into the heavy resistance now the reason being is that you know and this is after a good priming session or good warm-up Plyometrics need to be done explosively in order to reap the benefits of plyometrics The way a lot of people use plyometrics now you can't call it plyometrics all they're doing is fatigue jumping They're just moving in ways to get them tired plyometrics aims at Improving your ability to explode to exert force and to do so in a controlled safe way Well, the only way to be able to practice that is to be able to practice it explosively and that does not work when you're fatigued You can't practice Explosiveness when you're tired now you're just working on you know muscular strength or muscular strength and you're gonna reinforce You know whatever you degrade You know you're working with in terms of like your form like so if you're your form starts to degrade and you're you're practicing that Through fatigue that's gonna come out in your performance out on the field and all the stuff with athletes So I'm always making sure that you know they regain that composure You know everything is is completely ready to go and because because it requires so much of The attention to detail the attention of I have to get my entire body to respond In a split second the way that you know is most effective for this So if you're really trying to train it to improve otherwise. Yes, you're just you're just reacting You're going through something that's gonna wear you out which is part of you know athletics It's part of a game sometimes you do have to endure You know long bouts of explosive type movement, but it's to practice it to train it Is to be as effective as possible that way when you're actually performing on the field You know the way that you're moving is is really sound well I think of it like this because first of all, I don't think it belongs in most people's programming Aside from the case that that Joe makes and I agree with that like I think if you if you don't use it You lose it and so and I'll give you an example of how I did I programmed that for myself because I recognized I was losing that skill. I hadn't done plyo matrix for a while, especially when I was in the bodybuilding World and I remember and I shared this on the podcast not that long ago where I jumped out of the bed of my truck and you know, I have an 8-inch lift on my on my truck and I Felt like my knees were gonna explode when I landed and I actually like and what why it caught me so off-guard Is I'd never had felt that I've jumped a bunch of times in my life, you know, I played basketball So of course I jumped a lot But I had never felt that way and it made it woke me up like oh shit like Because I haven't done this in so long like my mechanics were off And I did not my body did not respond the way went and and it this light bulb went off of wow Like, you know, even someone like me who's very aware of his body and what he can do And I could easily have injured myself because I just I thought I could do something And I and I just did it real quick. I wasn't loaded or anything hard But I could have really injured myself and that's then you bring up a point that Is the counter to the explosive movement part? That's just the beginning It's then how do you control yourself and land properly and stabilize? Quickly you have to be able to stabilize and control yourself just as quickly as you're able to Explode into this movement and that's something that does never gets highlighted in plyometric training That's that's a fault to most coaches out there just hammering their their athletes And that to me is how you program specific for something like so Right after that and it was it was actually not that long ago or long around. Uh, we were tough when we were talking to Joe Is okay now I see this is where I will I found myself in the gym the very next week You know programming some box jumps and the focus was Exploding up and then the land And I only did like three to five to start my workout And that was it and it was actually what was really clever Okay to do this is on a squat day because then it then it carries over into my explosiveness into my squats, right? so I I get that uh Post activation a potentiation or whatever before I go into my squat I also am training my plyometric So I have the ability to jump out of a truck and not let my knees explode And so it has a specific application for what I want to use it. So there's how I would program that Not long after that. I was talking recently about getting back in basketball before the whole covid thing happened Well, one of the things I know that I have lost because I don't I don't move laterally that often unless it's something that i'm training specifically in my routine And I definitely don't do it explosively. So I know better than before I get on a court Where I will need to go explosively left or right really quick I need to start training that that plyometric in the gym So and I shared this on my instagram story like a few months ago And I was doing these, you know, and I had a bunch of people give me shit and were teasing me But I really I don't think i'm a And I think that was a people think oh, you think you're gonna be like a fucking, you know, super athlete right now I'm like, no, I don't want to get hurt. And so I want to play basketball And so I am I am training I put I had the the band around my knees And I was just doing, you know, three to the right three to the left Explosive lateral moves with the tube around my knees Just to start to strengthen that and that's it and all and I only want to do three Because I don't want to be fatigued and I'm all I'm completely paying attention to every bit of my form and technique Over how many times can I do it or how hard can I do it? Yeah, so I mean really the the easy way to break it down is The jumps or the movements that you're doing in plyometrics need to be explosive You need to rest long enough in between Your movements to allow your body to fully rest so that you can fully express that power again And then stop way before you get tired. That's how it should be more than two or three Yeah, there's no reason for you to do 10 or 15 box jumps in a row Yeah, not and not if you're not if you're training plyometrics correctly and you're trying to get Get explosive movement out of it because after that it just becomes more like cardio