 Alright everybody welcome back. This is episode two of the after-hours podcast. We have a very special guest We've been trying to get this man on the line for like weeks now and we're super excited to have him So thank you both for coming on I mean, it's insane how all of us have talked for I mean I've been an M. I see for two years here are you too, right? Yeah, yeah in two years. I've never I mean I talked about all the time I talked to Harry all the time, but just until recently just started actually seeing each other and talking to each other through video Yeah, it's hilarious. I love it. Yeah, I didn't know you're a wife Anything Like the weird thing is like people talk to me a lot of time to like what I used to work and sell and They hear me talking the phone, right? And my voice doesn't kind of match like an agent agent name So it's how I found the guy in like who was this bao guy And you would believe how many times I go, I didn't know you're fucking Asian Besides my name obviously, but if you just talk to someone on the phone, you know, yeah, that's you See what I write and stuff, you know, I'm this fucking small white dude from Boston Yeah, James your dad give away No, like you have to take it in school But like you learn it for like a year and then you just never speak French again because no one speaks French I love really so okay Yeah, keep going James. Have you ever seen Dexter the show? Harry looks like the last season of Dexter when he's like on the run Your name Harry man Oh Actually wearing my M.I.C. I My good luck I think you should not drink cuz I remember when you went on that drinking Holy shit, maybe we need a bad Harry from my feet for a little bit Harry would FaceTime or text me at like 4 a.m. Flash and I'm like dude, we got to stop we're gonna we got to trade like Oh my god I was in university and like I remember being an M.I.C. and like it was like a Friday and like everyone's like Oh, yeah, nail and bail Friday and I remember that I just had too much tequila the night before and I remember like it was a big low-float runner things moving and I'm trading and I'm like, oh shit. I got a puke like, you know when you're Two tapes and it's like one screen and you're like, oh my god. No, and so I go puke I come back And it's like, you know kind of starting to grind up. I like go long on it go It's like starting to squeeze I just took it off and went to bed Did you make money? That's the most important thing It's not it shouldn't be a repeatable process, but like, you know Tequila is one of those alcohols that there's a fine line between like you can have just enough tequila to have a good night And you take one step over and you're drunk for three days. It'll ruin your life That's like that's like trading dude. You know fucking step in your toe with it Drinking over trade. I think it'd be good. I think it'd be good to remind everyone to like this podcast Like we obviously are here like we're all traders. We like talking about trading But like Harry and I wanted to start this to kind of talk about Everyone's lives and like emotional like kind of journeys through trading and stuff and yeah, you know I mean Alex last time was great And we have assumed same thing with ballet. There's no one better to talk about the emotional journey That's the way man. That's why I'm gonna I'm a drink alcohol do drugs what we need you do for me to open up Everything Everything we say, you know, do not believe what the fuck we're saying and this is not really You see me do anything illegal it's not really what I'm doing This is not really bad either. There's someone else So guys the latin family, this is all fictional for fun. This is not even educational. Yeah, it is made of bullshit We're like what five minutes in Our first actual question for bow, I guess as we wanted to get started was like what was your life like before trading like before you discovered trading You know Like any sort of trading yeah, even bullshit. Yeah Like Yeah, because my first trading experience was when Geez man, this is still Congress. I can't remember how old I was right out of college man I'm 23 years old or some shit like that and Everyone's trade sauce is a dot-com. I'm fucking old man, but You're born bro, I Fucking first trade was before you were born, but Remember this is how long I was training. It was doing fraction So it was like can you imagine a stock trading two dollars and one fourth You had to be really good at math People had calculators dude got trading calculators What the fuck is one thirty two one over thirty two, right? So and so those are so that that was what the days The first online trading was so I was there during the first online trade That's how they started commercials all that stuff. That's how I started training, right? This is before fucking America dude. It's crazy, but uh, but anyway What's that Like how did you even get like what were you doing like right before you figured out that's why I want to paint the picture because The kids today that they have the internet. I barely have the internet We just invented fire But right on college man, and so so this is the thing man when I was a college I I Study engineering, but I like math and all that and so I just took out a fucking I went to the library remember that shit I don't know And there was no internet by way, there was like no Google and shit like that So we so when we copied our fucking notes and wrote essays and coffee We actually had a good encyclopedia and write that shit down. We could copy a piece Okay, so that's how ancient it was so so I took out a like a magazine I go what what is them who makes the most money and it was always engineering Which made the most money with the least amount of education, right? Okay, I got a little school for only four years that what I can make fucking 60 G's of years So I graduated my home goal was just to make a hundred thousand dollars by time I was 30 years old, bro Yeah, I graduated when I was like 22 21 22 and I was like fuck man I'll be fucking rich my goal is to be an engineer and by time I hit 30 years old I'm gonna make a hundred grand a year. Yeah, that was my path. I was I was a good fucking worker I had my first job out of school was thirty six thousand dollars a year, bro Imagine that that comes out to eighteen dollars an hour. Yeah, that is I couldn't even feed myself I need more than that per hour on door dad The door dad is where they keep but I would every hour, but I'm so my day before just fucking working in a cubicle, bro And but but the thing with that is this great And you know why I'll tell you it's great people hate working on cubicles This is bullshit man these guys are these the fucking guys that never actually probably never worked in a good working environment Because I went to school so I had decent jobs It wasn't like blue collar anything and so I loved it I loved it because I didn't know what the fuck I was doing and I was surrounding a lot of people and It was a steady paycheck every fucking week. I if I if I jerked off I didn't do anything that we got still get paid Yeah, if I got fucking drunk, I call in sick. I still got paid Okay, so those are the things that when people go. Oh, you should be on bottom I was like it's fucking fine until you don't make any money trading. Yeah, so So so that life when I look back at that life, sure I did I was not making much money, but I wasn't poor guy. I was Well, you know, so what I was fucking making 36,000 and my next job was 48,000 then 70,000 and then 90,000 and 100,000 and almost 200,000 Then I think my biggest year was like 250 to 250 thousand dollars a year Yeah, so I went from 36,000 to 250 number. This is like over a decade ago Yeah, it was fucking a shitload of money, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So did you enjoy your job? Like did you like did you in the beginning? I love what I did because it was sociable all that shit But the problem I have with that is eventually you outgrow everything because what happens is that if you're a socialist You would love that shit because fuck man. I don't have to do any work. Someone else cared to me, right? I was so fucking good at my job so fucking good. That's how I rose so fast Financially, right? They gave me raises. I quit and then everybody wanted me, right? But the problem was like fuck man. I did all the work and my boss made all the money When you look at a guy like me making a hundred grand 200 grand a year for corporation, which is a shitload of money But we thought we were getting fucking rich. They're making millions fuck options and shit like that, right? And so that's what fucking led me to like fuck this shit And so the greed the human greed is like I think I'm better than you You'll need to try and find something else. Yeah So but when I look back, I'm telling you man, those were the best days in my life really guys Not financially It's just the terms of if I wasn't that fucking greedy and if I didn't see the dot-com boom I see everybody getting rich and getting rich except me. I'd be fucking happy And so my advice of these kids today is like fuck man It's I call it opportunity cost people if your opportunity cost is zero because you have no job He's zero mother fucker. Yeah, I'm in the job McDonald's is better than staying home doing nothing, right? And so my opportunity cost was 250 grand a year They said so so in order for me to be satisfied I had to make 250 grand more in day training or whatever But or you reach a point where you make enough money and you put it away Then you can say fuck this shit. I don't need the money anymore, right? I wasn't rich by any means But I mean back down making six figures as Guaranteed and so I was enough to buy nice house the house is really cheap back there, right? There's still like 800 grand or whatever the fuck it was, right? So my first house I bought was 70,000 for a two bedroom condo 70,000 okay, this is a San Jose Sold it six months later for 250,000 Yeah, and then so and then after that about 800,000 all house You know they're all from fucking at $30,000 all down payment. That's insane. I mean It was so different, you know like me trying to get in my first house, but I was making yeah, like 50 grand a year so Money no one's fucking making millions of nights nowadays, right? Yeah, so so it sounds like like life was pretty good like at least from the stance of you're making good money You're young you had a steady job. So like how did you even get into trading and what led? Oh, this is a thing that's fucked up in life guys. I call it ignorance is bliss Remember when you're a kid. I was a poor kid. I never knew I was poor. I thought the one told me you're fucking poor And he doesn't want to hey, you're not why you just It's like We start to Ergon so there's a good and bad arrogance right before me it turned out well But it could have turned out very ugly It's like fuck and that started to think I'm better than other people and that people making more money on me because I was something that corporate job and so that's when it's kind of gets kind of dangerous if you have a Bullshit self-esteem like you know like I mean I wasn't the best whatever but I knew I was not the worst, right? So yeah, yeah, the way I thought I drove around but I always back it up I'm not the kind of guy. I'll push it. You have nothing, right? Yeah, I make something of myself first and then I said, you know That's that's how it is, right? So so when I look back man, it's a good and bad because you know what man I could have wrote out that corporate job and probably still be very well and Probably be happier in terms of I'll tell you mad. I went through a miserable stage where you imagine being Every human is a sociable individual. I'm an introvert really because I'm an engineer intro But at the same time, I still need to see people in shit Imagine now for two decades not seeing a single soul you working by yourself being stressed to fuck out Losing money sucks, you know saying shit like that. I don't care what you lose. It's so fucking tough Not having a steady paycheck Having to go buy your own health insurance not not being provided for or not It's like I can't take a vacation because I have no income. You know, if you're a state trader, you can't take a vacation Whereas if you have a job, I could take a vacation to fucking pay for me It's just a human the human interaction is what I miss the most and for most they will crack Most people will fucking crack like right now during the quarantine Yeah, I see so many friends and so many people like fuck man. I can't go outside. I can't socialize I can't travel I can do this shit. They're fucking breaking it. I like motherfuckers only been three months How the quarantine tree you what My family and relatives would come over. Oh my god, my life has changed like how's your life changing like Like you realize how isolated you actually are when stuff like this goes down and you're like, oh, I didn't really you know No, it's just you know, like introduction, you know The thing that I was most curious about This was the question that I've always had is like, okay So, you know, we've heard like from like previous, you know, whatever like so basically like I don't know how it went where you like remortgaged your house or something and said Oh, this is my last shot like Like for you to do something like that like like back in like the OTC penny stocks because this was what I was always like Kind of wondering and like confused about like like how how did you get so good? Like, you know, like How did that like kind of learning process start like is it similar to now with like kind of Nasdaq where like, you know I'm saying it's it's it's different Technically, but it's the same process wise. I'll tell you why Because what we're trading now is all scams. Yeah Small caps a bunch of fucking scams. The only reason they're running these stocks up is these are bullshit companies I need financing, right? Their ultimate end game is the fucking same. Exactly. Same thing with penny stocks They run it up to do financing to sell shares. There's some two There's a couple ways to do financing the the small cap is the bank the investment banking More legit way, but still not legit. Come on, man Go from a dollar and ten dollars and then they get an offering, right? Yeah, exactly fucking bullshit. How the fuck is that legal, right? And wait, if you're an insider you're storing that shit. They're telling their friends to do all that shit, okay So let me tell you how I fucking do this is a mistake, right? This is how investment banking works guys. I hope I hope nobody's gonna fucking call me but If you have a town if you're a big trader you have an account at fuck much, I'm gonna say this shit, but I've If you have a big account, let's say I'm making this up. It was all fictional Some big thing let's say Goldman Sachs. I'm just making it up. It's not going back, right? It could be some boiler room No, I don't know where I think he has to use washers on anyway I keep continuing. I want you to hear this You're into a fucking tree. I told you man, I make a lot of the next thing but I tell you more shit. This is fucking crazy This is a fuck man. I'm gonna get fucking cute, but I'm gonna make it up I don't go to tag some other firm. So basically one of the big firms are if you have a lot of money with them You know how they did you know how they shop for offerings? You know how they come with the price? They have a guy calling them their big clients. They say hey, man, we have this stock. It's at $10 right now We're willing to sell it to you for $3 a share Wait when You'll be part of this. You're an accredited investor. Would you like to be part of this public offering? What the fuck? I know they're coming because I might fuck with that How do you think they're packaging and selling it? Where the fuck are they selling $15 million at $3? $10 exactly all scams you say who the fuck do you think they're selling it to? So how rich do you have to be to get that phone call? Like who do you have to be to get calls like that? I was never involved in it by the way these are just shit. I read on the internet. Okay. Yeah. Yeah It's not real What is not legal about being an accredited after? You're a fucking prime broker calls you and says yo man I guess you want to be part of this public offering. What do you think they're selling public offers you right? They're fine Yeah, exactly. That's crazy. And then what I do is oh shit. I'm trying to locate them shit I'm gonna start the shit at 10 bucks Covered back up at the offering So these are all scams and stuff, but we're like we're OTCs the same shit was it This is not a scam that's how fucking Investment banking works, bro. Yeah, okay. And so that's what the fucked up part So so I don't fuck with Tesla and shit like that because I don't know the end game That's where my pay grade right my pay grade so I fucking of all these things okay, every Everything you invest in the world if it's an efficient market. It's everything's price work. They need to be priced You oh shit what is it meeting has been upgraded by host Okay, it's the market. We're totally efficient. Why are you fucking you want to call it? Yeah Completely priced right by P. E ratio that shit. There's nothing to trade. What the fuck right? The fuck will be fucking flat if it's worth 10 dollars or 10 fucking dollars, right? And so you have all these twitter motherfuckers. They're fucking broke losers by way My name names but all the guys on twitter. I think they're fucking hot shit right most of those guys are broke ass fuckers I think that Anybody that can play with the fed all the time shut the fuck you can't fucking have a you don't have a fucking One comma to your name in your bank account and you're you're pretty about what the fed could do And let me shut the fuck up motherfucker if you are so smart And if the rig game shouldn't you be rich and you know the rig game and I bet Yeah, exactly It's like mother fucker. You don't know so shut the fuck up And you always thought market only goes up because the fed is pretty money. Why are you shorty shit going on everything? Doesn't make sense so So when I realized that the market is full of bullshit That every fucking industry has their insider shit I'm not part of it obviously, but I understand the game. I'm not arrogant to think that I know everything right Like I always said man. I'd rather be rich than right Exactly. I'd rather be fucking rich than right. I shut my fucking mouth I don't really don't know what the fuck's gonna happen tomorrow But I know the end game of the stock the stock is going to fucking crater It's the timing. That's important. Every motherfucker knows so you see smart motherfuckers bashing Why are you buying this pig? This is a piece of shit. Tell me that's worth nothing No shit motherfucker. Shut the fuck up and fucking wait for that shit to go up Everybody tweets it and bashing some of this stuff short So I'm gonna tell you back then I was Huge long I was not a short I started my career as a long biased trader squeezing the fuck out of some very famous motherfuckers Or it's on twitter right now that used to trade otc Okay They know all the following. I don't even know what sec step for finally what the fuck are finally right? Edgar that's Edgar is like a fucking my neighbor that mows a lot of them shit, right? What the fuck are you report? So back then I was a very Unsubstituted day trader. I did not use fundamental analysis at all. Yeah, my fundamental analysis was a oh fuck How much money I have my account How much can I move this time? And I had a three-day rule that I fucking created it worked beautiful and it's still working today the three-day rule Yeah, so my whole thing was I knew they're end games I knew the piece of shit company and I did not look at their filings I think it will fuck to have one employee and another fucking admin into their name, right? And I knew because if you watch the movie Bloor room guys out there watch that fucking movie that movie fucking true. I'll see that Okay, and when I that movie came out I did exactly that I knew what they're doing They have a bunch of fucking shares that need to fucking sell The only way they do is they market the fuck out of it. They run it up. They get done. That's how they do their financing Yeah, okay. They're like 10 cent companies 50 cent companies Fucking golden sacking and give them an offering. Yeah, so what they do is they sell Convergables all that shit It's like, okay, uh, lower me a hundred thousand dollars. I'll give you a million shares of my company Yeah And and so okay, so I got a million shared to this shit Who the fuck is gonna bite off me? I am going to create an email campaign Or a factor or whatever it may be, right? And so I'm gonna get some fucking body to run it up and then there we go. I still my shirt Yeah, okay, so people think it's corrupt The whole fucking system is corrupt, bro. It always has been So so the moment I discovered that that's when I was like, okay, man, what can I do next small captain same fucking shit We know the end game the problem with the timing it is. Yes If we if you're a short seller You just need to fucking wait until they're done with what they're doing Yeah until it's just the backside because I'm a long personally and I I I love shoring as well Because like you'll see me in chat all the time where I'm like, all right, not going long anymore I know it's you know, I know that it just like stuffed into seven or I know that you know This is holding but like I enjoy on the front side longing on the way up And that's just kind of my style as long is the best way to do it the problem for me is man, it's so difficult because Well, the problem is when we wake up, this shit's already up so much, bro And I'm in I'm in Canada, right? I'm awake in the morning when these stocks first start gapping up in pre-market So yeah, I was able to take advantage of of kind of that type of style I chose I chose the penny stock on purpose when I started is because it was a fair playing field It opened exactly at 9 30. There's no pre-market. No after-hour bullshit The market turned off turned off Nowadays you got the outlook working till 8 p.m at fucking night and waking up at 3 in the morning Yeah, and you and there's dumb fucking guys out there. I don't know what the fuck they're saying that I said Oh, I want to trade 24 7 fucking idiots They're gonna sneak in bad news when you're fucking sleeping You cannot compete with an outlook that never sleeps. No okay the You have to have the same playing Rules as everybody else to in order for you to compete with them And the penny stock was very fair because it started at 9 30 Did not start at 7 a.m So newly came out Everybody has to buy it. It doesn't just magically, you know, get all this shit, right? So so every system has Deficiencies inefficiencies deficiencies whatever loopholes Okay, a loophole if you cannot figure out what the deficiency is you have no edge Exactly make sense. So these So how did you even like how did you even like that? Did you have anyone to influence you in trading when you started or was it when I moved to new york? There was one guy that ran a chat room his name is thought gappers No, we used to friends back then uh So he kind of showed me a little bit of a penny stock game and he did the gassing thing But then I took that to a different level So I kind of like blew that off the charts So I I did have a guy that showed me and um, but I did everybody does their own thing So I Then I started to short too, you know So I made so much money because I was able to time it perfectly Yeah, it wrote it three days up usually by the third day in fucking 10 So trading was actually much easier before because there was less algos in penny stocks Is is not as many algos as there are now Because the liquidity is not there I chose a I chose to be a big fish in a small pond Rather than be a small fish in a fucking ginormous pond, right? Yeah, so I'm like You think it was much easier back that back then I mean like you were making all this like a bunch of money and you just felt it was so much easier than even now I feel is easier is because of The lack of the robotic trading Yeah, yeah, it's very difficult When you compete with a robot that has infinite buying power Yeah, yeah Yeah, they have an algo that just like they could probably turn it on and just it'll hit, you know every single They don't have any lost parameters. They'll just buy the whole fucking shit up. Exactly. Yeah And whereas we're yeah So like at this point you were like you were what you're in OTCs. You're like in your early 20s, right? I was late 20s. Yeah late 20s I mean, did your family care that you were trading with did they Yeah, we think so much money. I asked him for fucking more money. Like And that's what I was like So I mean fuck man, I That's the one I mortgaged. Oh, yeah, come back to the question. Yeah, that's what I mortgaged my house I was like fuck man. I would be so consistent all the time that the problem I had was greed Yeah, okay. I was I'll tell you a story like I was It was before pattern day trader to like right before pattern day trader And so I I had our 25,000 20 thousand dollars in the account and then it was 60 g bro in by one hour Like this is a shit little fucking money for a little kid back there, right? I mean, what the fuck I just made fucking like like a bmw back then, right? Yeah This is like 15 years ago, right? And then I was like, fuck, there's no fucking way to go back down No fucking way And not even you thought I'd go to 100 Dude, it's like this thing tripled within an hour and all I could think was this dude This is a classic. So all you viewers listen carefully because this is you Okay, all I can think about was not I should be very happy that at triple or double my money within an hour, right? I was not happy I was pissed that I didn't go all in I'm like, please fucking tank Please fucking tank so I can add more And so what happened is when it starts going down? Oh, yeah, baby. I would be rude I I have a massive cushion Who the fuck can I call my banker to fucking add more money? And so I was I went max ball deep Lover you name it just on the back side too I didn't know anything about that shit back then I just knew I was up fucking 200% How the fuck can I lose? When it started dropping down. Oh, okay. I'll add more. Oh, yeah Oh, fuck it's all more. Okay. Okay a little more. Oh, even now It can't go down anymore. Oh, fuck. I'm now red So I went from Like 30 G's bro on a 20,000 all I count to having I think five or 8,000 left in my account at the end of the day So I went from 20,000 to 60,000 and closed at five to 8,000 And I was in a ball, bro this is this this is like I think this was this was power nature. I think I was overpowered. I was like 30 or something But the point is I doubled or tripled my fucking account within an hour and all I could think about was God damn it. I suck. Why did I go all in? You see and then I fucking shit and I'm I'm cruel up in the ball. Literally, bro It's just the audience fucking healing in the world. That was when I was like I would be very consistent until Shit like that happens, right? It's always like one fucked up stupid fucking shit And so then I was like, fuck this shit, dude. I I'm not going to ever so I went from fucking holding too long to holding too short I have PTSD my PTSD was always to that story where man, I was so fucking much money all the time and then I did not fail And so I started to say fuck this shit. I'm going to start scalping Because my whole philosophy is I could figure out what's going to happen in this couple minutes easier Than a couple hours or a couple of days, right exactly And so I I was during the intro day. I would not hold long I would hold overnight because I had a system of gapping that shit goes up, right? So there was much You know, but the problem with nascent now is the market's open up fucking like two three a.m Gapping does not work gapping works when it opens at once at time and there's Pent up demand for that stock. Yeah No, so when a stock goes up and is strong at the close, right? Grandmothers at home your fat father your kids weather fuck your friends come over to read the press release and they're like Oh before I want to get into stock by by by by but with the nasdaq. That's why robin hood That is the true gap. You see what happens. Yeah, but there's more robin. They sold the throne to the The head first Motherfucker, I have a million shares of robin hood motherfuckers buy and market So that's why you see that shit. Yeah, sure. Whatever. Yeah, they cover up with the robin hood Yeah, I I saw one time at 9 a.m So I remember watching the stock because like maybe like a month ago It would be okay to buy it like 9 50 or whatever and kind of see what happened if it doesn't work out You know, you just sell it or whatever, you know, it worked on kind of the low floats But what I would see was that through be all this volume coming through and you'd have like, you know Nasdaq or you know, someone showing a hundred shares and just have all the robin hood volume going No, it's just the absorbing it. I'm like, what the hell's going on? Yeah, so that you see right now So I mean they're doing what I was doing. Yeah, they got they got a fucking well heads, man. Yeah Yeah Oh, no, I was gonna say like that was like a little inefficiency But then now, you know, it doesn't work They call that they call it, you know, it still goes on today. It's called imbalance And you can you can see these imbalances doc trader Fuck man, I don't know what how they did it. It's fucking genius, right? So when it's thought it levels up level down On doc, you actually see it says I am B. He's a little kick guy little free tricks I am decent for imbalance and it shows you the The implied opening price. Yeah, it never did that before. I never no one could ever see that shit before You have to have some special tools to see the imbalance So the the time that it takes them so long to do some of these holes are like 10 minutes I'm like half an hour because they're trying to figure out what the opening imbalance price is It is halted because when they open up the album You have all these funds all these albums competing for the fucking flow And so you see them. Yeah, I'm like, holy fuck. So now if I'm stuck in on the halted today level up level down and I'm in there Doc you can see that price and you can snap it right there when it opens up You put your fucking price a little bit near there. You'll get that fucking price even if it's 30 says 50 says the way Everyone needs to pay us for that secret. Everyone needs to Venmo right now Join him I see I love like I love I love what we be talking about and like I love All of this and I I kind of wanted to bring it back to like how when you said that at this point you started scalping But did you tell your I I'm just curious so I don't want to like lose this question My head did you tell your family like how much you lost or like had made or did your family have no idea? Was it totally they really they were clueless? At all because when I was losing my I didn't want people to know I'm like Mom I gotta remortage my house Yeah, buddy. Did you know why you were doing it? Did she know you were remortaging can trade? Yeah My job paid a lot of money, so Yeah, so taking that 50 grand the worst case was okay. I work a year You know, save every year pay her back, right? Yeah, exactly. So that that's so that's the thing guys Trading is much easier if you have money Life is easier to have money But that's the point the point is like if you're always worried about how to pay your bills and shit, dude Your trading is gonna be effective. That's what I always tell people man. I tell people straight up man trading is not the fucking The vaccine for your fucking positive exactly But it is the ticket to your freedom But in order to buy the ticket you you can't be fucking homeless Take care of your personal It's not willy wonka's factory, you know, just go buy a chocolate bar and Make them you know get the golden ticket and become rich Yeah, that's an old-fashioned movie. I'm trying to remember what I always remember the oompa loompa It's like a fucking weed movie people stoner movie I'm using fucking high by the time the oompa loompa's come out Or anything like back then I didn't have any with any like haters really back then did you know I knew who the fuck I was I was like There was hardly any social media. I created a twitter account. You saw like I started just creating some fucking shit in the beginning I got like five likes, you know Little they know I was making a million dollars a fucking year, right? Like You know, man to one one time I decided to that's already getting more people like I want to help people Man, I helped so many people start chat rooms, man You had count the people fucking started that was the original chat room guy right I did for free and I helped so many people make tens of millions of things that do this shit, but it was My whole thing was never I mean, I mean, I'm a simple dude, right? I mean, it's like I don't need much shit so I I never wanted to be known I was back then like Fuck man. I didn't want my girlfriends and my spouse who were the fuck my friends and know how much money I hate anyways, right? So I was like fucking trying to fucking live this humble fucking life is like fuck And to be honest, I didn't wire any money out. Yeah, fucking growing that account, right? That was favor of four million dollars, right? Yeah, and that's because back then there was no leverage on OTC Um, so I had so so basically whatever you fucking trade is all cash So there was no fucking margins and shit, right? Um, yeah on shit that's under like a dollar two about five dollars 250 250. Uh, everything was margin margin margin margin that two dollars and 50 cents to share Even if it's 10 fucking cents. Yep. They went out in jeans. What is that? I'm still here. My my girlfriend's whining at me. So I just wanted to answer that Oh, I was like, what the fuck? You just showed your crotch I was like, whoa, this boy is giving you a heart attack It's just like a default picture that you pick on zoom for your for your screen your default picture of your cross I don't think I forgot the question That's why we can't drink and do this or you just keep forgetting We were talking about like haters or something Oh, dude, no one no one knew who the fuck I was And then so I knew that once I became public, you know, like fucking I didn't expect as much level of trolling to be honest I I really thought like oh people. Oh, I want to learn how you do it So my whole thing was when I became public it was not for me to brag and who the fuck cares if I wanted to brag I would fucking brag I mean, I was making money well before anybody knew who I was So when I came out, I really wanted to help people because I was so fucking stuck in this hermit life You know living in my fucking room all day. So And so my so the sad thing about social media is like I thought people would would embrace it To be honest 80% did embrace it. They're like, oh my gosh Show me how you did it and I've taught many millionaires in my day Okay for free I did have a lot of people but there's 10 20% of statement that is just true here So I didn't expect the level of how Nasty the trolling would be they would find out where I live Yeah, they uh one one guy fucking came into my new york house and vandalized my fucking house And then I called so I'll tell you the story in new york city, right? So I had a free chat room and I competed in chat room or something was like fucking like They're fucking that it's just dude They guys found out where fucking live. I can't fucking home. It's new york city. I lived in on fifth On fifth fifth avenue, but whatever. Yeah, it was a it's a nice area, right? So I came home and there was in my door vandalized like tomatoes all over the fucking And then my fucking super my super intent was like, what the fuck bow you better fucking say Charging charge make sure nobody clean up, right? And I was a holy fuck. I knew who exactly did it So I called the police. This is so this was Like over a decade ago, bro. This is maybe 15 years ago Right 12 15 years ago People didn't know anything about online shit. I call the cops and the cops started laughing at me. Look What are you talking about chat room? What? You're fucking aol what the fuck my face I'm a kid, right? Because I was a young kid, right? I was like early 30s and shit 28 Well, how old I was after I forgot man 32 whatever and they're like you and your kid. I was a why you call me over here To fucking like this. So this guy threw what explain to you what this guy didn't like you online So he's due to made it like your house. Yeah You see it's kind of fucking funny when you think about it, right? Yeah. Yeah And so I was like, uh, I really don't know how to explain to you, but yeah, like I didn't like me online The cops like Imagine that we would fight right now now social media is more accepted and that people know what the fuck it is But that's like what the fuck the troll what the fuck you talking about, right? And so and and so that was when I went dark. I shut down my free chat room Okay, this is not fucking worth it. I'm doing this shit for fucking free And he got some people were physically trying to find out where I live to hurt me. Yeah, that's crazy Yeah, because you're like They've always blamed you For fucking their stock up because let's say in my short The stock of where the fucking may be. Yeah, yeah Or any reason they just fucking hate you, right? It's like celebrities. They get fucking Did you ever expect like when you started making money and like becoming profitable and like helping people did you ever expect Any level of hate or did you not even know that like existed? I don't have a I don't I'm not here dude. So I'm fucking making money It's that there's two ways, right? If someone becomes successful, I know them and I have access to them Yeah, what the fuck am I doing? I want to do showing how you did it Yeah Show me who also show me how you did it. Let me be your friend. Show me Where the fuck you I'm gonna destroy your life How is that gonna help you how the fuck is that gonna help you? Yeah, so I'm a very naive guy because you know, like, you know me man I don't I'm not a hateful person that I try to help people and so I don't want to soup to their fucking level I do all this shit But that was what I realized there's some nasty motherfuckers out there And I I lived so long in this bubble because I was a nerd growing up I didn't have any friends and stuff and the people I hung out were all like nerds Okay, so they were book smart and then they they they they got their ass worked at home by their parents So they were like running around doing all this fucking junky shit. I didn't even drink actually until I was like 19 years old, bro Really? Yeah I was like a project I think I had almost like a near perfect memory I was fucking super advanced until I started drinking the moment I fucking started drinking Game the fuck over. I'm like, oh, what the fuck? This is liquid courage. I was a very shy kid Everyone's brains are so smart until they find alcohol and what's so smart and then they just So I went to college. I didn't have any fucking friends. I was very shy And then I go to these college parties and then I was by myself I'm literally walking college parties by myself and Then I discovered fucking out of all I was fucking slam like two long island ices Look at those stupid shit Bank of the bus and mama, I see that like six shots, bro It was like bank of the bucket and they get you fucked up. So I that's when it was all down here I was like fuck this shit. I went from 4.0 to fucking barely passing it. Oh my god So So you've had some like nuts moments like like you've had like the hater moments from trading you've had all that But like have you ever had like Insanely happy moments from trading like has trading ever brought you like such insane joy Yeah, I mean, I'll be beside making money Or like making relationships. I met a lot of great people, you know, I bet you guys I met Alex, you know um insanely happy was the moment that For me, I lived in a purity all my life as an immigrant all that right I was not really the popular kid and all of a sudden like I think I like the fact that hey, man, I all of a sudden I have a voice I came from this immigrant kid as being an immigrant poor kid Uh, who was bullied all the time never was shown respect people looked at me like who the fuck are you right? So now it's like holy fuck. I have power Right, I can fucking crush you. I can crush the stock. I could do I can say some shit in this You know shit like that, right? It's like so I'll give you an example I let let's say like so with sandwich Or or actually uh, Donald's pizza some shit. They fucked me up or something on a pizza I can preach it and all of a sudden I get fucking response on dominoes Right, and so those those that's what I realized holy fuck So I now understand how these sick bastards in politics of halloween. They have so much money But what they're seeking is the power That's why they're doing all sorts of crazy fucked up shit in life, right? The politicians don't need any more money, but they're what they're trying to do is to obtain power And that's why you have all these fucking crazy people doing like these sex scandals and shit, you know like like like Harvey Weinstein and and what the fuck? Yeah, what the fuck bro, you know what I'm saying? It's like It's like they have too much they're getting drunk off power. Yeah And so so that that was what it is man. I so So the insanely happy with the realization that holy fuck, but but you know, I was very careful not to abuse it as much you know, and so That's why you don't see me The power is like the high is high right? That's like the high is high trading like for you Like you felt like this like I have a voice like I can like I can control things and I can do something like I can do something Right man, I would use to bring my friends over as I watch me move this fucking stock myself It's fucking savage I would I don't like this because like back then So I'll give you devil like I can make him fuck go down just by fucking putting up like 50,000 shares on the offer, right? Yeah, exactly Did everyone get scared? I really wanted to feel but it didn't feel Nothing is fucking real I've taught people to do that. I know who's on the other side when I see certain prices I know some asshole that I've taught in the past. I know like he's doing it Because I know I know the file man. I taught only motherfuckers. I would do that shit, right? And I don't do that anymore, but they still do it You've had like that I mean you are one of the people like in my opinion that have had All the ups and downs of trading because you've been around out of anyone I know like the longest in this like in this industry But like so you've had the highs of like the power of what you can do But like have you ever had like the lows like is there something? Oh, dude, you let me talk about the lows man, fuck The world was I was I was so good. I did and out there legitimately guys if I Dude, I was on the FBI And the sec and spinner is fucking Fucking favorite call list. I'm not joking. Did I tell you all the stories? You guys hear all those stories This is a good example. So when General Motors went bankrupt, this is General Motors. It's a big fucking company, right? When it went bankrupt it Went to the penny stocks and I was like And so it was trading like eight cents a share still like that, right? And this is a site I used to be worth 50 bucks to 20 bucks, right? And they have a queue at the end So gmg mq Anyways, I was like, what's my fucking shit? I'm trading 10% of the volume of that fucking stock. So when I used to trade penny stocks, I was 10% of the daily volume, bro Let me not buy the I would be like scalping All day fucking long, right? And I'm competing with the algos, which is the market makers, right? They have but so basically I I'm taking the shit I'm not joking. This is a true fucking story. I'm taking the shit after the market close I got a fucking phone call. I'm still on the toilet. Hello. This is so and so from the sec I'm like, what the fuck, right? Can you tell me Can you tell me why you're trading this stock? What's that general motors? Because I want to make money. Why'd you buy so much of it? Why'd you trade so much of it? I want to make money and she goes are you the guy pumping it? Do you know it's bankrupt? I'm oh, yeah, that's why buck that's why they said this so they're basically trying to say that I was the ringleader to To run this manipulative trading thing These stocks like went up five times. It went from eight cents to like 40 cents, bro Yeah, this is how crazy you taste us. We're right and it's still going on. I was a robin hood shit And so and I'm just laughing I'm going I'm gonna tell you something. Do you know what gms? It's a fucking billion dollar company. I'm I am a fucking kid sitting in the home on the toilet right now and you're calling me I'm I'm gonna take that as a compliment that you think I'm the guy who's running the fucking the billion dollar And I want to get this call Not joking with you at least once or twice a month That's insane one guy from one chick on the sec was saying the same thing about another stock and so she goes this She goes a author record. How the fuck do you do it? We see all your trades this shit. We can't figure out how the fuck you do How the fuck you do it? They have me on watch they see every fucking shit, right? Because obviously that because I'm the 10 percent every fucking shit and that's because everything I trade eventually There's a lawsuit on it because of the scam Eventually somebody goes to jail for it And then they're like this motherfucker his name is on every single sign that we fucking litigate and so The law was the fact that they subpoenaed me. I went to Court Jesus that I fucking had to plead if I paid lawyers. I didn't know what the fuck they're doing I'll tell you something about the lawyers, okay So each lawyer I hired was a guy on tv. You see him on cnbc and on tv And they were that's because they're x sec Litigators, right? They work for the sec because they told me that they go Sec the joke no one knows the fuck they're doing over there The only reason they're in there is to pad the resume to goo so that they can go private To defend people like me I would pay him 10,000 bucks. This is like 15 years 10 years 10 years ago 15 years ago to fly in for one day To read the fifth Then I had another case recently too. It built shit up from five years ago. I was like, look, I don't fucking remember. Why are you buying? Hey, go did you run it if I ran it? Why would I sell so early and leave a million dollars on a penis? And so I paid him 25 g and these guys didn't know what the fuck they're doing They so 25,000 dollar retainer for me to tell them To plead the fifth Did they go bow? Uh, I think you're guilty. I don't know why because you knew it was a scam and you shorted it No, fuck you're talking about you participated in a scam knowing the scam. I'm not first of all motherfucker I didn't know it was a fucking scam. So you told me right now It's not my job. Yeah, dude to fucking to say that this is all the scam. It's your fucking job. Yeah You feel say That was when I was like I give up on the pain stuff. Shit is not fucking worth it because yeah What they're trying to do is this guys. I'm telling right now, man They will never arrest the big guys in wall street because they're they won't get a job They will come and attack me To get the clout because they we clean up the wall street. So Bernie Madoff came right after the Bernie Madoff and after the The enron shit they blamed it on the little guy. So that's why they came with a pattern day trader rule all the shit Uh, so and then after the wolf of wall street movie a came out That was when they shut down every OTC. They changed all the fucking shit for the OTC because the wolf of pain You know what I'm saying and so they we cleaned up. Do you see that wolf of penny stuff? I clean up all the penny shit, but Bernie Madoff didn't touch any socks Yeah, I Bernie Madoff was a fucking If you look Bernie, yeah, Bernie Madoff was the co of NASDAQ brother He's the chairman of NASDAQ. Yeah, I know he ran the pond this game for 20 fucking years And it was under their fucking nose Yeah, and what they do they call me to try to get me other other kind of shit Were you ever scared that you were gonna go to jail? Like were you ever? Yeah, I was scared It's fucking They try to squeeze every motherfucker. Yeah Maybe they were trading from it like where you almost like fuck. I'm done trading. I'm gonna figure something else out I quit OTC because of that Yep. Oh also, I wanted to mention something. I have two questions one question is Okay, when they banned you off of the night route like what was that like and also when you made the switch from like uh, OTC to NASDAQ like how different was it like how crazy was it and how hard was that kind of adjustment? So like I explained all the the route thing in the mobile trader book without and also chat with traders I explained to you guys because this is an awesome fucking story. Uh, it's fictional once again I know I've heard it. I just forgot and I just wanted to bring it up again This is fucking all I'll tell you how genius is the fucking trader was I was trading so much size of that fanning face stock Right. So so night started way before so what happened night controls like I would say 80% of the penny stock market back then and what I did was man I was always front run night Okay, it's like What man you beat and so night was like what the fuck you're doing you're acting like a market maker And it was actually illegal. He can't be on boat You see what they do they make up these rules Yeah, and then so so night Because I was killing night every fucking chest I get because but the problem is that that's the only route Archer was not available back then for for penny stocks Right night was a market maker. So I would take all their order flow I was just sitting in the bed in the offer and I knew the direction they're going You know saying so I'm still all their order flow basically and night night basically wanted to kick me out And I couldn't do anything because they said they were a private company Um, so they just basically what they did was they called my broker at the bad bow Or we're going to shut the whole firm down So some of my brokers they were so nice because I made them so much fucking money, bro Like literally hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollar commissions And not only that I was their biggest order flow to get down the rates for night. So it's ironic, right? I helped them get cheaper rates for night route for them, right? And then they wanted me to turn off so they would create a special dummy account for me They didn't play all these it was a can mouth game Yeah But they came to the point where they knew my order flow They they followed me around they haven't I they they just knew it right and they go You're fucking done So I would so the hardest thing for me back down was trying to find a broker that would let me trade The way I wanted to trade Yeah, uh, and so I bounced around from a bunch of brokers and so And so it came to a fruition sitting out ban me too, by the way So I was like all right, man, if I'm gonna go out I want to fuck you up So Fannie Mae man, this is genius, right? So So I'll tell you this fucking genius shit. So I was trading with four account Because different broker different accounts different right And so it's like because that way no one knows who the fuck is who right? And so I would be I have four order Rally up and so so that day that fact so people would think like oh, I was all in No, dude was building up only make a massive amount of money up to sell then already right But it was just a perfect opportunity where I was Long, I think like 20,000 shares of FMA when it was like at four bucks or something overnight 8,000 shares was you know, 8,000 share position. So I was kind of sweating But I was making like 50 grand on it before day before 100 grand I can say so So So when the market opened I was like, who the fuck a gap So I didn't get so I got down bro. I was like down 10 g Or some shit like that, right? I was down like it was down 10 50 cents or some shit. I was down like eight and four to 10 g's. I forgot like fuck So I think that people didn't realize that day I just found the the chat logs with my friend that made a million dollars a day to train with me That was the guy I didn't want to tell him but um I was with my other chat logs. I was actually down I think four to four to 10 grand before I I made that one for four million. I was like you read bro Yeah And so I don't know how the fuck I did it and so I fucking I took the loss I took the fucking loss I was so pissed but then when I got back on I shoved inside and I kept on adding I did what word trading did nowadays what they does is he But I don't have sheep. You know what I do is like I had four counts. I had four massive accounts And so I was fucking by with every fucking count Staggered out the prices, right? And I knew that night was a bank that night was never filming So I used that to his fucking disadvantage I had fucking million dollars of buyout buy orders out and they won't fill me Legitimately open market order yeah with limits So I put a limit here. They don't feel me They go up. I go up. They go up. You don't say make sure you know I had a fucking chain of million dollars of fucking buy orders that it won't fucking feel me. Holy fuck I was already in like 200,000 shares Trying to add more So I'll then 200,000 shares of a five-dollar stock or where the fucking they were that I forgot to go right? We pull the chart later Um, I should pull up the chart now. Let's walk through this. This is pretty cool here. All right, pull up Pull up So let me let me text you This is cool man. I think we I don't think I've ever narrated