 Welcome to JSA TV where we're covering the latest stories trends and innovations from the leaders in global connectivity digital infrastructure And the networks within and we are coming to you live. That is right there We are live doing it live people have walked through here. So if that happens Well, I hope it does happen frankly. We're coming to you live from Times Square, New York DCD connect in New York City And I'm here with Logan Morello. Logan is the managing director and CEO of AD carbon data Logan. Yes, Dean. I love your suits Thank you very much, and I know I appreciate your being here for our viewers that don't know already Why don't you tell them a little bit about AD carbon data? Yeah, so and thank you guys for having me I really appreciate it the opportunity So I'm gonna take it a little different direction, right? Let's do this. AD carbon data is really It is a company per se, but it's more of a mindset of sustained rooted in sustainability It's bringing a fresh set of eyes and perspective to this industry Um, you know, I think in the future we're going to need more of that We're going to need more of innovative solutions that are going to power the future We talked a little bit about the young folks in the next generation They're going to want to have a little bit of That impact that control over what is next So that is really what we're concerned with You know, we're very much collaborators in our community our local and state governments You know municipalities and all the way up to the senate, right? So we understand politics is a big mover when it comes to energy Yeah data center nowadays. So, um, we we we are focused on sharing the mission of sustainability And then finding opportunities for innovation and collaboration amongst typically different players than you'd imagine, right? But some of that's just driven by necessity right now. So that that is that is true Um, I love them. I love the message. Um, I love the story. None of it happens without folks like you Uh, so thank you very much for that and you mentioned the word energy number one You're bringing the energy. I love that but let's talk about energy in the data center And what that look what are What does the future of energy in the data center look like now and where do you want to see it go? Yeah, and that's thank you for setting me up for that. Yeah, yeah, you're welcome. So I got asked this on a panel I did yesterday about energy about power I think we're all aware of the constraints and the challenges around even attaining power right now You know, when you think about sustainability, which everyone's kind of focused on as well Even though ai seems to have taken a little bit more of a priority. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they still know that that is coming But you don't you don't have ai without the power. You don't have ai without the power. So um, you know traditional markets that would have cheap power Uh, even renewable power that have stood up. There's nothing left. So, um, I think you're gonna see and and you know This is not uh news, right? It's not breaking news But I think you're gonna see hydrogen become a lot more prevalent I think uh, there was a fantastic panel earlier this morning Uh, talking about markets that I would have never thought four or five years ago. Yeah, like Louisiana Mississippi was mentioned, right? Yeah, uh, that typically wouldn't have a data center But because there's power there. Yes, because the workloads are changing the requirements are changing. Uh, I think you're gonna start to see hydrogen Right people are doing this right now. Again. It's not new news. Yeah. Yeah, but people are doing it not new news But it is a relatively Backburner topic, but it is but we're hearing more about it now Yeah, and and the other part of that is the storage the efficiency the transmission There was a great another great panel this we go for another great one here at dcd Um about the logistics and the cost benefits a business perspective of hydrogen Um, so I think that will be a half step to I believe that we're going to eventually go out of necessity Um, whether that comes from a regulatory pressure or just a sustainability and Energy need either way is fine nuclear Yeah, there it is. Yeah I uh, you know, I've got some great, uh friends and advisors Uh, I have been you know about five years ago. I started just looking at it. You know, um There was some talks and I was I'm a curious person I can tell so I started going to the people that that knew the most right and um Yeah, I mean from a sustainability perspective It's far and away The most sustainable solution for the future and when you're talking about the workloads that we're going to need You know in our iMason's meeting yesterday um yesterday morning Hundreds of gigawatts 38 gigawatts in the next 10 years and then the hyperscalers are saying that they are going to be Doubling the capacity that they've built in the last 10 years. Yeah, so double that in the next 10 years Yeah, so that calls for a different kind of energy power generation solution, so it's it's funny We we we've talked about generations and generational thinking and generational technology and but there's there and I the more the more people I talk to the more I'm I'm seeing and hearing generational energy Production and nuclear becoming part of that conversation again, and I and I have to like I'm going to ask you It it it ain't our three mile island Nuclear issue anymore. No, this is not the same thing. No, no they are There are some exotic designs right when you talk about smr's m mr. Yes, we've been talking about this a lot lately Yeah, but there are some exotic designs, but there's some really good designs out there We've got a couple companies represented here today Um, it's very safe. Yeah, it's very sustainable and it gives you the right amount of power that you need Uh, right? I so the public perception. I know that's it I think the younger generation younger than me even um Sometimes I feel like I'm pretty old. I know uh, but uh, but yeah, uh, I think they They're not as aware of some of that underlying subconscious. So yes fukushima, right? You could probably bring it up to a young person. I don't even know what fukushima is Yeah, yeah, yeah, so if you can kind of position it's a branding exercise really Yeah, but the technology is there. There's very safe Ways that you can produce nuclear energy right now and education Especially as it relates to the future generations is key to kind of ending that that stigma. Absolutely. Yeah, so so I uh, I had the Fortune of going to the uh Forbes 30 under 30 conference last year. Cheers. I got a name by I was a friend of mine, but uh I was over the age, but um, I talked with my mission was to talk to a hundred Kids, yeah, essentially younger people about data centers There was two that knew it and both of them said yeah, I think my dad did something like that It makes sense. It makes sense. So, uh, you know, just the education there, you know, you start to realize What what kind of gritty hard work has to be done to educate those folks? So I work closely with ucf um usf right our local um higher education institutions STEM education program Rast root stuff. You gotta roll up the sleeves. That's it. You know, uh, siri with schrader electric Um, and iMason's members she's holding a nice thing this morning. Love the folks over at schneider She's doing a great job this morning. Uh hundreds of kids were over there learning about data. So Hot dog. I'm loving this. Yeah investment there. Yeah, and I think quite naturally We'll be able to tell that message that that branding about nuclear about hydrogen And who knows maybe there's something that we haven't figured out yet And it will be them and it will be them. They will come in and say, yeah, all this is wrong. Yeah. Yeah crazy person Yeah, I hope I hope I'm the best The crazy the crazy ones those are my favorites. Okay. I've got to jump back onto the I just want to make sure, um I'm gonna I'm gonna skip a question. Okay because we hit some of the other stuff The depth of carbon emitting data the world's first carbon negative data Refuge. Yeah. Yeah. What is this? Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad you asked that Dean. Well, you're welcome. Um So The mission when I started this company Was to build a net negative carbon data center now again. I was one of those crazy people Crazy said if this is what we need I can find a way to do it. Yeah Uh, there is a lot of complexity to that Uh, there's a lot of change that has happened, but I thought of it as not just a gray box But a refuge that is connected in somewhat of an ecosystem kind of symbiotic relationship with Community businesses, you know, we started talking to distilleries started talking to sanitation, uh, you know municipal, um, You know plants these verticals that seemingly have facilities similar to what we traditionally think about of a data center Right and and the biggest thing was What is the byproduct of a data center? It's heat. Yeah, and we you know in the europe They do a really good job of this the nordics. They do a really good job with district heating and things We have a little bit more built out mature infrastructure here in the states So a lot of the success that we've been having is with smart city conversation because you're building from the ground up But when you don't have that fortune, uh, you will have to get collaborative With your local government Right. Yeah, your your community businesses. Yeah, and you'll have to find a way to collaborate, you know Yeah, I think that's one of the big things is What I like to say is uh, we were in a industrial revolution, right? Henry Ford, right production line Then we had what we're kind of still in now, which is the information age We're kind of hoarding your information data, right? Yeah. Yeah is value. It's business value We're kind of getting into we're bleeding into what I like to call the collaboration age And I think a great use case of this is open ai, right? They're going through some There's some issues. They're great. They're great. They're they're pioneers, right? They're a lot of people in this ai space are pioneering. Yeah, they're breaking rules And there is some legal things, right? Yeah, but I think the interesting thing is well, if we didn't do that We wouldn't have the tool. That's it. So It's just starting to kind of crack that collaborative Need that I think we'll have going forward. Hey, it comes to utility You know if you want to come back to the data center comes the utilities Comes to the local businesses and comes to the data center getting involved and sharing and collaborating I think if anyone could make that happen, it's you I I say that I say that honestly logan. Thanks for being here. We appreciate it. Thanks very much You bet you bet you bet of course and thank you viewers for watching jsa tv stay curious Stay connected and we'll see you soon