 Think the trolls get more PR than they deserve. They do. Yeah, it's allowed. It's a loud obnoxious minority that That fortunately is not the Most common case so we're dealing with a little technical issue. What's the update here? It should now be audible to the people okay, and was it recorded the you will have your audio recording Okay, it was not affected So if you missed the earlier part because you're watching live we apologize We said Blizzard announced things most of them were leaked early online communities a lot of people think they suck But this one's awesome. Why is that? and then we were talking about trolls and and and how Again, I think the idea is a lot of people may especially people who may not be very Involved in in good communities at least See the bad stuff that happens and think it's like watching the evening news. Oh, that's the world The world is full of crime right when in fact crime has been declining, but you watch the evening news You wouldn't know it. I think people see Bad things happening online and think okay that that is the only thing that happens And I'm not trying to minimize it at all in fact what I'm trying to say is when that stuff happens There's a lot of people out here with experience about what you do To make that bad thing stop being bad isolated to minimize it to respond. Yeah troll troll resistant communities Yeah, exactly troll resistant there. Nobody's ever gonna be troll free. No sadly that human nature When you add anonymity to the mix a community of one you actually maintain a troll free existence now I troll myself all the time. I Think a leader just self-trolled. Yeah Proving your point wrong there. I will just retire stop trolling me man and be my safe space well, and and you know, I Think when when you're talking about a community It sounds like a lot of work to have to fight against the trolls, but it's no no more work than Almost that having a family That's a different kind of work, but I mean like don't make me go there kinds of trolls Yeah, just just dealing with with daily people and you mentioned the anonymity. Yeah, what's interesting about that is I think it's harder To be anonymous than it used to be But the feeling of of invulnerability of being anonymous still exists because I'm even if you know my name I'm still alone in this room, you know And it's right and and that is usually many miles away from everybody else. It's a key to defusing bad community behavior is Making people confront the fact that they're dealing with other human beings, right and yeah in a good community such as AI and I look I think of the frog pants Facebook community as a good one where you can see policing happening is Not everyone but there are a large number of people who are act as gatekeepers Where if someone are when someone's going to troll in a community like that it is usually upon arrival Because if someone is already invested in the community They're invested in the community and they're not likely to actively try and dismantle it It's where that someone gets comfortable and enjoys the community in terms of gets it happens. It can It is the rare exception so usually someone will Reveal their colors fairly quickly and will be escorted to the door by one of the Distributed Moderators a good community where people love what the community is Because of their love and their emotional investment in the community have a desire to keep it intact So they become gatekeepers not because they feel self-importance. I am defending it It's just they just want that person to leave because you know your kind of trollishness or destructive behavior is not welcome here and your band Well, and and you don't go right for the band hammer. You try hands on me Yeah, and the person in their track record and all of that but you can rehabilitate people I think The other thing that makes for a better community is having something that is shared And and obviously with something like AIE the shared experience started with Warcraft But it is now spanning multi-communities into gaming in general and even beyond just games witness a guild hall. Yeah, exactly And but that all grew out of like we we all agree about this one thing And I think that may be one of the causes of Toxicity and and trolling in the wider world is like we don't all agree We love Twitter even if we use it. There is no emotional foundation in YouTube comments. That is not a community Yeah, it can be a community that has gathered around a personality. That's interesting But if there's no gatekeeper there usually That's the problem the gatekeeper needs to be there whether it's that actual personality or not And you'll notice when a Grace Helbig or someone like that Actually responds to the audience regularly the audience acts better again They don't act perfectly but they act better than the Wild West that you see sometimes It's yeah, it's an accountability that that goes on with that interaction that yeah within certain economies of scale that can Work, but I've witnessed it as you crest a certain Critical mass of popularity number one of the tracks trolls and number two it just becomes physically impossible to Stay on top of it So I've seen you know creators that I followed just simply give up on having comments turned on at all because there's just too many for one person or even a team of people to Monitor and police well, and I and I've seen that happen even you know, and I am not I'm not even one of the more active members of AI but I have watched the officers and talked to the officers and there have been Situations, I know that challenged them to the point that other communities and other guilds Would have and sometimes have fallen apart Because again, they went for the let's just turn the comments off right a break option versus having to deal with that And that's understandable It's if you don't care enough about that community at some point you have to cut your losses And that's why when people quit Twitter sometimes they get flack like oh thin skin or that's not the solution But I have to say like taking a break and moving away from it Sometimes it's the way to learn how to come back and I've noticed the Lily Allen's of the world and even the Lena Dunham's of the World will come back eventually to these things after they've taken a break to get some perspective I think that can be important Well perspective is the is the key word there because with social media and the younger generations coming up behind us to a much greater extent This is a keystone in their reality and how they relate to the world. Yeah, and when that becomes toxic and a net negative you have to for your health and Stability as a human being you have to step away from it because it is it is not what it should be in your life for us older people We've experienced a life without Twitter We can step away without without the repercussions and yeah We don't feel like we cut off a limb when we're not right up on every 140 character update sure Yeah, I'd like to is there anybody out me in the the hall here who who's Think it along with us and has anything to add here because you guys are more on the front line some of you Anyway on the front lines of managing Communities Yeah, come on Part of the historical record tell people who you are to get right up on that mic. It loves to be Am I on there you are so I'm a Jimmy DeRosier I play sulley and a ie I used to do a podcast called malt cast my question actually is to the entire panel I know you didn't ask for a question. That's fine. We'll take one of the things that you mentioned was turning off comments to like You know YouTube allows you do that kind of do that to some extent on Facebook Google plus allows that how do you feel about that because in My experience when I post something as somebody that's posting it I want to get that beat back sure but I Also don't want to get that feedback sometimes because I know those trolls exist Yeah, oh yeah, that's a massive part of the internet and When I was doing the beer podcast, you know, I had some beer reviews and stuff and I would turn off comments on them at some point because I Don't really care if somebody likes beer that I'm drinking. I didn't like it. Here's my review You watch my videos what I hadn't say about it But how do you guys feel about that because we're not receiving that input from the rest people and as people did Have a huge internet personality is in followings and stuff, you know, Brian for instance, you you're a big guy Maybe you don't you're a big guy, but Maybe you just turn me off. You don't you don't think about you don't think too much about a certain cover Something like oh, yeah, no, I'll do you think it's okay to throw that? I think it's okay Everyone come to me and tell me what you think. I think it's okay on both sides. I mean, I think getting feedback in In the way that it's intended is a very positive and is a very you know a structured growth thing, right? You you learn from what people tell you. Oh, yeah, that cover you played wasn't big fan of that maybe less You know Scandinavian folk songs or something, but I wish I'll never stop by the way Getting the feedback doesn't mean you have to implement. That's right. Yeah, that's true And it sometimes and that's something to consider is that one loud person really doesn't represent a portion of your audience It represents one loud person but turning off comments and like Tom was saying earlier I don't think it's a bad thing at all and and it's like stepping away and refocusing and taking a breather from Getting that feedback if you look back, you know Salvador Dali didn't have the type of Comments the well, he didn't have he didn't have the type of feedback that we get in place where anything Get spoken about to that person instantly. No melting cloaks. So, you know, whatever nice mustache, dude Clean your pop screen, which was actually valid. I should have Wasn't gonna say anything but So, you know, the history is filled with people who didn't get the kind of feedback that we get today And we're just fine because of it. So you brought up a great example There was a beer you didn't like, you know, you put out the reviews not necessarily to get feedback, but to give feedback so that that is the okay way to do that that is a Way it's been done for a long time. Yeah, you definitely lose something when you deactivate that back channel The point I was making earlier was past a certain critical mass of numbers of people that you may be attracting The toxicity does a hockey stick level of spiking. It seems I've observed It's thinking very specifically here about YouTube type. Yeah feedback mechanisms. My recommendation would be don't if you turn off Comments for a day or turn them off on a video. I wouldn't say that's it. I'm never having comments again, right? I think I think it's a tool to be used just like muting someone versus banning someone versus blocking someone is a tool You use it when you think it's appropriate and I think there are times when you're like, you know, look I'm overwhelmed. I'm trying to learn how to take critical feedback, but this is too much and I'm angry and I can't I can't react Rationally, I'm just gonna turn it off and give everybody a chance to calm down I think that can be a very rational and positive tool as long as you say, okay Now we're gonna try it again. I'm gonna turn them back on Let's all figure it out and the more you make that transparent and talk to your community talk your community through it The better your responses are gonna be after that. I think I'm curious any old-timer long time and a years in the room who are here during the CTR split Can you comment on Why this community Survived what for other communities has been a destructive event where a faction within a group Decided they had different priorities and went off on their own That has been the end of many stories in gaming communities and here it just became oh now the CTR guys are over there Flourishing we're still over here flourishing what was different about this community that made them Made you all able to continue with basically no hard feelings when all this hadn't done Anybody anyone You know what Todd's getting to and and maybe maybe this will help or maybe somebody else I want to talk about it. What makes a community able to to survive those kinds of cataclysmic Events what what are the things you do that says okay? You know we we had We had some drama and now we're moving on on past day Yeah, come on up and tell us so we can hear you speak and speak into the microphonic device Hey Shane Right up on that baby, okay, sorry, but I I had a guild Master and we were on a server called our spitter before Swift he came over with all the fan base and At one point we had a thousand tunes and we were rating doing everything getter and the impetus of our destruction But some people got a little overzealous about rating and items that dropped You should have got them and for me a community should be able to survive that kind of thing that you know Demolishing a guild over an item to me is a name. Yeah, but that's exactly what happened or a guild You know drama and suit people who split and then the guild wasn't ever the same Then we decided to get off PVP server for various stress reasons and go to a PVE server And the guild didn't survive. I have a guild with maybe 10 active Players and for people who don't know and listening in the audience PVP means you're fighting against each other PVP I mean you're fighting against the world So we've moved we got a couple base players. I've tried to Invigorate the game, you know and the guild but that takes a lot of work and time And part of the problem is guild dynamics has also changed in blizzard which means We were several us were talking about this earlier, but the invent of crz and the changes of guilds there's not a lot of You did something wrong. You are penalized for it You know you are getting random grooves with people you will never see again So I think in some ways anonymity creates bad behavior Sure, and then to caveat on top of that you're trying to recruit for a guild that no longer requires a whole lot of Reputation to stay to get the good good items. So there's no vested interest. So why would I stay in your guild? He has a plushie over here. I can get in two seconds. Yeah, so a plushie or mount or you know Tabard you said you mentioned crz and then a yola was what's cross realm zones. Oh, yes I'm not exactly a fan. Yeah You feel it dilutes the community I absolutely believe that I I remember Because I've been playing on and off since vanilla I remember the days where if you were bad in a group Repeatedly you either needed to go change your name or move to a new server because literally you would not get groups Right, but nowadays there is no No, no, we're countability. No countability. Yeah, zero You know, I can go pull Kaz as a hunter They can't even kick me out of group until we're done fight And I may get the loot anyway Is that because and and for people to play don't play warcraft? We apologize if it starts to sound like we're speaking Spanish but is that because They have made the game friendly or an easier and therefore it's harder Well, and I think to crack down Well, I think the age dynamic has also changed a bit a lot of the people that are playing now are probably, you know 23 You know kids of people that started playing. Yeah. Yeah, so the now generation of I want something now I want something now. I want an x-back every year. I need to have that x-back every year I think has looted some of The way we had to work as a team the days of the eye going into ICC lich king Having to worry about dynamics and only the top 10 percent were able to walk through it has changed Whether it's a brilliant move on blizzard's part or not. I don't know I don't have the numbers, but I think when you dilute The game how hard it can be It becomes something that everybody can do. Yeah, so there's no there's not as much We need to strive for this as a goal as a team I think that's what kept a lot of the smaller guilds together So you had to have that group that goes back to what we were talking about earlier when the community actually all cares about The same thing and value has brought you together keeps that community together. I think that's been diluted Over time. Yeah, unfortunately. Yeah, but that I mean just the the central core of you Why does the community exist in the first place? What are you rallying around? so we had the positive examples of Aie Guild across lots of different games and events and get-togethers We talked about the frog pants a facebook group, which is just a wonderfully positive place with lots of great cake keepers in it rallying around a community of podcasters We've seen here when there's a weak center as we've just described with What you need to rally around in this game to get the job done Is a much more watered-down version of what it used to be then the community as a whole is less structurally sound Yeah, I think it's amazing that they have real life get-togethers and know some of each other I hadn't seen that in years. Yeah, you know, I I know I think of half a dozen guilds where you're lucky when you see a green message In an hour, you know of any kind of chat dynamic. We can't get him to shut up That's what I think that's what I think is so special about aie is it shows that Even though the trend and you're talking about it in game But the trend even outside of warcraft just in general is for people to think nobody cares anymore You know, there's no there's communities can't can't continue to be good and and somehow There are examples that buck the trend aie is a fantastic one frog pants is another one Scott johnson walked in the room scott. You look do you like you don't want to come up here Do you want to come up here? Oh here here? We have a chair for you. You were in Oh because uh Scott of course on Wednesdays on daily tech news show and The man behind the frog pants network host of the instance and in all kinds of other things But how long has the the tad pool been around? I mean, it doesn't really have an origin date, but Not years not really. I mean the guild the guild itself, which in a lot of ways Helped seed the tadpole. It was a thing that started with Veronica and I back in like 2008 And that was just a fluke. We just thought let's just do a stupid guild because why not this will be fun And let's we'll tell listeners and listeners will then maybe come and we might find a hundred people or something that would be interested and It exploded and as far as I know our our roster is still in the many thousands of people signed up for it Maybe not is that right? Not not everyone is actively playing the way they used to but often we're playing other blizzard games Which I know has been talked about a little bit here. Um, and we had a good discussion yesterday about They the the idea that blizzard cannibalizes its own base with other games in their roster Which I don't actually see as a problem Yeah, but you would rather not have is some other game cannibalizing their game. Yeah Which hasn't really happened over time with mmo's but in a aging market and a in a genre that is You know has seen better days And is it extending into a strange future and not really sure what its place is They have been agile enough to do these other things around it to create things that will keep those communities together So to answer the overall question that I have in my head about will aie survive anything that happens to world of work After i'm 100 convinced it will and it's because of all this other stuff There's other shows they're into there's other parts of the community they're into But these other games provide other outlets to do Similar same fun stuff And there's no reason to break apart. It isn't just about raid night. It isn't just about Gear score and world of warcraft anymore. It's about 5 to 6 other friends who all want to do a thing Yeah, well for sure a question for all you and scott in particular was thinking of you I'm facing a challenge with community building right now because it seems to be a moving target Back in the earlier days The community forum was the thing You would get on the forums and that's where all the conversations would take place and now generally speaking Even in the active community like aie and frog pants Forums are a bit of a wasteland. It's just it's not how people are you know relating anymore I'm wondering you know, what's your take on where has the conversation moved because i'm having some trouble Finding if you know, is it is it totally decentralized now? Or is it just a new home that i'm just too old and curmudgeonly to go on to well I mean forums for the longest time are exactly what you said they were they were this thing where that is where you connected That's where everyone had their conversations. I've run the same forums for now I don't know 12 years or something I don't remember the last time I posted in my own forums. It's been so long. Well, why is that? It's not because I don't like them or because I don't like the people in there I think they're all great. It's that i'm talking to them in the facebook tadpole group I'm talking them over twitter and over a million other forums of communications slack whatever it is And because all those other things exist and they seem to just fit more into a social workflow if that's a way to describe that It's more work for me to stop everything go to a specific website log into a forum This thing that'll only be there and it's not like a an easily extendable platform that I can just go out and be You know sort of fed in other places and I know there's ways to do rss feeds and Not to get too technical. They're always a tech show. Well, what about green wall? Green wall is interesting because green wall When you're in the game, you don't really have a choice, right? I mean you can tab out or have another monitor open or something like that But green wall was this answer to this problem, which was blizzard in 2010 saying sorry giant guilds 600 max Too bad so sad or whatever and we all threw a canary about that but in the end That this mod saved us. I started the canary throwing as I did it again I know I but you're trying to make it a thing. It's this old thing. I used to say I was a kid. I'm trying to bring it back How the cow trying to do it? Where does the canary come in exactly but forums as this as this as this method to go and I don't know there's something about it feels like um Like it like you could only meet in like in the old days say in the 1800s Or are we gonna meet well either the town square and that old church and you pretty much just had these places That's where everyone got together and there were really no other options But now we live in a time with conference rooms and teleconferencing and a million other ways to communicate And so why not use the ones where the people are so for me I miss it in a weird little way because there was something kind of cool and exclusive about it It was also really easy to manage I pine for the days of I could just build that thing and that was done Now I have to chase around all these different places because different people Gather in different places because we all have our little fiefdoms where we like to hang out Well part of the problem is that the companies like facebook and twitter and others have have Got enough critical mass that they're managing the platform for us now They may make changes we hate and that sucks and what do you do but But they are making sure twitter runs and has enough time of a whatever percentage And they make sure that facebook doesn't go too crazy and change the way groups work or whatever So I feel like we're just now getting comfortable letting Big faceless multinational corporations run our communities in a way because it's easy convenient I don't have to upgrade. I don't have to look for I don't have to do a pricing plan Where I'm paying 30 bucks per quarter to keep it up or any of those things. They're all gone So the old privacy won't give me just rails against them. I think I'm just out of touch I I remember when instant messaging arose in the late 90s and I said that's stupid Why would I do that I can just email people and it's pretty much instant which it was and it still mostly is But there are reasons why you instant message and I get that you know Obviously I've learned finally 20 years later that yeah, there's there's something different about Contacting you in that channel versus this channel and you assign psychological differences to it But do you think we'll ever get To a more unified platform of communication on the internet where we can all hang out And all we have to say is like I'm frog pants or I'm diamond club or I'm aie And this is this is where I go and then I can either instant message or write something to be read later Or post in a forum threaded forum like Is is that just A dream is that something we actually don't need what do you guys well feel it feels to me like um These other things while they've taken over from forums or or kind of usurp them in so many ways It ends up being that the platform is your browser or your phone That there's no longer a sub platform of a piece of software that somebody made or runs open source or not It just doesn't feel like anybody wants to be locked down because there's some people you could ask that question to And they would tell you point blank with no hesitation Reddit is the platform that you're asking or whatsapp or whatsapp or a meal they all all got a thing to say I know which one flashed out But what I do instead is I've got a browser with a list of links that are always the ones I check and I open them all Up in tabs and I check them all and and they're interesting differences between each one of them And I and it kind of sucks like that's not great But if we're looking for that consolidation From all of those sources into one thing I don't know what that is and if it exists. It doesn't yet if it will it doesn't yet It doesn't I don't get it ever will because there's two damn many good ideas and people who are getting behind those ideas And they're all diverse and and find their audiences And we're we're how many ideas on types of communication are there versus things to do with those types I'm I'm imagining a platform right where you say like hey, we've identified the major types of you know information And you can do your snapchat whatsapp dance on that platform, but at least it's just one platform and it interoperates So that if i'm a snapchat person, I can still talk to the whatsapp person Why did periscope survive? And it's competitor that I can't even remember that meerkat not it's still meerkat hasn't died yet But is it it's just not very popular right now and and during that moment where everyone got this idea in there Had the instant pop-up video What accelerated periscope? What was the one or two little feature like this is a true question and you know the answer No, I think my feeling is it had one or two Innovations what do you what are those innovations? The deep integration with twitter that worked right out of the box That helps and switter owns them right yeah, yeah, so They were nearly identical in their performance And this one innovation made picked a winner or picked a much more successful innovation is it it's it's it's an advantage right, yeah, and the problem is The crowd will move on that one advantage So we have instagram because they're really good at the photo share and the social aspects and filters and Twitter has all kinds of built-in photo functionality sure and yet Instagram remains king you see facebook doing it all the time trying to be the photo buying instagram trying to be the messenger thing and then buying So what's that we as a herd will move for that one little bit of bitterness We will but but but sometimes we move and then something happens that's drastic like microsoft will buy you or You get sold to some other big corporation or company and you either maybe you get phased out Maybe you get improved. Maybe they let you run on your own and just fund you You know, maybe you're the audible.com's of the world and they don't mess with you with the way amazon doesn't seem to be We're getting a long track record of those because we have twitch. Yeah, it's skype It's well where they've not Substantially ruined them. Yeah, and in some cases they haven't substantially improved them either that's true So that isn't it My my bigger thing is until they figure out a way to say I remember when tweet deck did facebook posts It brought everything in and then twitter bought them and then got rid of that Well, so what you're being faced with is hey, here's one that taps into all the apis Isn't this convenient? I can do all my social things one page one app done Which is what we're asking for right right and then it's called trillion and I don't I still don't use it And then twitter buys them and they go nope It makes me think some firefighters it used to be that a city had Dozens and dozens of private companies that fought fires and they would sometimes set fires in order to like You know show how good they were at fighting fires and they would fight each other on the way to fires And it was like a horribly inefficient way to save a city from a fire And eventually and and I I hesitate to bring this metaphor up because The the solution there was have the government step in and say you can only have one firefighting company And whether it's run by the government or we license it's different in different cities But the government made the solution I don't think we need the government to step in and say there's one way of communicating on the internet by by any stretch That'll go over well But but if you step back and just get you know try libertarians try hard take government out of this equation as a factor And just say like we figured it out at a certain point We figured out here is the most efficient way to have a system that can fight fires And I don't think you know with with some exceptions. I don't think people think that firefighting is broken Do they I almost hesitate to say anything on the internet like well But you know mostly we think you know firefighting works pretty well I feel like I'm really straining this metaphor It's breaking point But the but it just takes a long time for all of these things to shake out and sometimes you have competing You have to have a lot of competition like you did in those early days before you figure out Okay, this is the way the system needs to work But the problem that I that I see appears to be separating the The technology from the content. Um, I know that if I want to watch Rob Cestronino for example, I know okay He's on on periscope that really the technology only determines which one you choose and which one you use for your communication But if I want to follow scott, I know okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna be checking out vine He's all about the six second videos shorter than better, baby. That's right If I want to I'm trying to give another good example, but you base it on Where the content is that you watch or that you want and you follow that you watch those You you you communicate with that person at that level and maybe even their their community around them You can have me or cat and periscope and facebook and twitter and vine You'll probably gravitate towards a handful of those for your own things, but the The communities center around the people in them, not the technology So the technology enables. I mean i'm a living breathing version of what you just described I have severe philosophical problems with facebook as an entity And some of the moves they have made and you know what their business model is and how they desire to make money off of Well me and I absolutely will go to facebook to participate in the tadpole community Because of who and what is there So it is enough to overcome My resistance to them on a on a philosophical note because the cool people that I love have chosen This as the most efficient way that they want to communicate and over time What people in general not you particularly, but what people in general want ends up happening Sometimes companies or other organizations are able to resist it for even up to a century, right? But over time I think if you look at things it ends up like if everybody wants to be on facebook That's what we'll be doing, but if everybody wants facebook to interoperate with twitter blog That is you know yet to be invented. Yes, that'll happen eventually the way the the I don't know if this solves the problem or not But to me the comparison is very close to what happened with podcasting And the reason it worked there and it hasn't happened yet with communication Let's call it that we're talking about how we're communicating hasn't been standardized Is because in podcasting they came up with a file format that turned out was pretty good sounding good compressed It was small files. You could download them easy our assess came along It wasn't obvious to anybody over this 10-year period or whatever that oh, there's these five other better ways to do it Nobody's tried to do that. They've just said here's a great way Now just make cool apps and stuff and then you can have your preference for that but the standard remains So i'm all for that same thing happening communications. I just To tom's point think the communication the way we interact Everybody wants a piece of that business Oh, there's a huge buck to be made exactly so until Until someone finds the ultimate thing that just beats everybody else or they kind of start agreeing on these standards That's going to be a tall order and a big fight for a long long time In my opinion, so we have lots of choice. I know about 15 minutes ago. You had a question right here Do you still have it? Do you remember what it was you raised your hand? Come on up and talking to the mic here by steel scott's mic Hi, my name is uh, col. No, I was going to talk about earlier when you were talking about um, just toxicity in communities and stuff I think I think what um is different about this community Versus other communities has a lot to do with kind of like the way tms is run the way this guild is run is like It's very transparent like these guys here like they share a lot of information sometimes maybe too much I don't know A lot about brand's cossacks today TMI on tms But there's basically like there's faces to people like something I notice a lot on instagram is like the psychology of people I think there are two things is that These people aren't people to them Um, which they are and they for they forget that these people are people they have feelings They're just like anyone else and then it's like a weird I'm just thinking out loud, but I typed it right and it's kind of like any horrible thought that enters people's heads No filters. No filter. There's no filter. It just goes out there And then that's compacted with the fact that oh, well this cause this famous cosplayer who has a million followers on instagram She's never gonna hear what I said, so it doesn't matter. I can just have my horrible thought and spew it out there Um, but this community here we have faces to it. It's like I play an aie and I When I walk in here, I say hi to my gm and he's a person and I know who he is and like I see him And so there's a there's a face to a name and there's a element of humanity in it that I think Is lacking in those communities that have toxicity because I mean you talked about the foundation of a community When it's a cosplayer on instagram, that's not necessarily the strongest base because it's not a solid core To manage that community or whatever they attract a lot of people because They're creativity or their appeal in other ways And that attracts a lot of people and they just go I can say whatever I want and you're not a real person And that doesn't exist here. We know we're real people. That's the trick is humanizing yourself on the internet Dehumanizing communication method. Yeah part part of that. I got a good story about this part of that is um Thanks for that. Yeah, that's awesome very good. I'll get some balls Have some balls here. Here's some of the brian's balls for you. Yeah, brian hold brian's balls. You got it cradle them They're capsules I'm using everyone on audio who wonders what the hell is going on. I'm using the wrong terminal brian's nodules Yeah, so I had uh an an interaction with somebody online where I had seen on vine and instagram and facebook A lot of people wearing these hats that said neat dude on the side, okay And they look like a bunch of dirty millennials to me, which is what you are But I don't really think that way about you obviously But I have this I've just given them like three things to throw at you And I've that's right. You got three So I've got I've got this picture of what that is in my head and to me that feels separate from real people I know in their 20s who I don't feel this way about at all So I see somebody wearing that hat and on twitter I flippantly and wrongly by the way said the next uh dirty millennial I see wearing a neat dude hat. I'm going to knock it off Right, this wasn't that long ago and it was on the neat dude ceo Who happens to be like a 600,000 follower guy on vine is huge deal. I didn't know this I thought he was just wearing their hats sent me a Tweet and just said I how'd you feel if I said that about podcaster the art you do he was a listener and a follower I didn't know any of this and I went He's right, dude. I dehumanized him. I took him to a place that wasn't Uh true. I took him to a place that was like this weird fake. It's a brand that I'm not connected to So therefore I mean homer simpson said at best once he laughed at somebody falling down and said Laughed his head off and then said it's funny because I don't know him Right, it's like that and so it really taught me something and the irony is he sent me a bunch of hats We're doing some promotions for the incense I wore one on the air just to show that I had wear what and knock yourself down. I didn't want to flick it off my head, but They're they're entrepreneurs trying to make a brand and do this hard work and and who am I Just some I was being a troll that day on the internet, but it didn't even occur to me So and it's funny because it reminds me of what we do a lot Like if we get crap on tms our our thing isn't gonna go go somewhere else then our thing is to go No, wait a minute. Tell me how you what do you actually think like where's your where's this coming from? Tell me more Yeah They usually disappear Yeah, usually why do you feel that way or or just 100 turn around sometimes we go. Oh man. I'm sorry. I don't know why I said that You know Yeah, exactly and and I think we as I think that's what gives me hope about this sort of stuff as bad as it seems Is I think we're learning how to deal with each other more because we have more contact with each other Right, you would have said that about those hats years ago No one would have ever heard you or said anything about it And and maybe nothing bad would have happened because of that, but it was you know because we're all it's it's brought made the world smaller Uh, you're actually like, oh wait. Yeah, you're right having that experience made me Just this much better of a judge of that situation like that. I'm not going to do that again I'm not as quickly and if I do I hope I recognize it and try to rectify it and I hope that The thing that gives me hope is that this guy in a very reasonable way came back to me Yeah, well, how would you feel right? Oh, let's talk about this or whatever and didn't come back with you Yeah, how would you feel screw you buddy? Like no, we actually wanted to enter into a dialogue Exactly. Have you thought about and the thing about it was I couldn't even argue It's not like I could have been a jerk and and painted myself in a corner and really dug in I mean, well, you're wrong. You could have painted yourself. Well, I could have painted I wouldn't have looked very good, but goes back to that old saying hate the dirty millennials Don't hit their clothing Oh, we've been talking hate their lack of soaps We've been talking very specifically about why are they dirty? I know that's what I understand Yes, I don't know We would talk very specifically about tight communities on the internet, but scott's experience Illustrates there's still just the larger more loose community That is just the community of people that also has adopted the internet the human community Yes, that's the hardest human we're still we're dirty humans. We're everywhere And next time I see a dirty human I'm gonna give him a hat Let's say have you tried this? It's very comfortable. It's a very good hat Well, thanks everybody for watching for listening for hanging out here in the guild hall appreciate it and Hopefully we've we've helped you, you know, think a little bit about community Today or or maybe at the very least you got one of brian's capsules. 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I didn't have much time to work on it It's not as good as I would like it to be and this is what he bashes out on his way to the door. Yeah It's amazing. I would like I'd like to be able to have that kind of tell oh darn Having time to do anything. Yeah, you've never looked better. I know that is This will be adorning my wall Peralta's drawn me a bunch of times. This is this is easily my favorite. Absolutely Folks, if you're if you're like, wait a minute. Okay. That was a long discussion and you never did headlines They're in a separate episode that was put out earlier today So go check out daily tech news show dot com or look back in your feed And thanks for supporting us on patreon daily tech news show dot com slash support If you would like to help out the show either by donating on paypal or on patreon or just buying stuff in the store Our email address Back at daily tech news show dot com. 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