 We'll call the order, the Tuesday, September 19, 2017, Shoeing County Board of Supervisors. Certification of compliance with the open meeting law? The agenda was posted on the 18th of September at 9.30 a.m. Thank you. Please join me in the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, America, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Roll call. 24. 25. Everyone's here. Awesome. Yeah. 25 supervisors present. Thank you. The August 15, 2017 Journal. Supervisor Winkle. Motion approved. Thank you, Supervisor Winkle. Supervisor Glavin. Second. Thank you, Supervisor Glavin. Any questions or discussion? Okay, please push your aye or nay button. Motion is approving unanimously. Thank you. Consideration of appointments by County Administrator. To the Airport Advisory Committee, Mindy Smith, David Hipple-Shower, Schelzer, Lee Kunze, Jane Brill, Brandon Molina, and Charles Sweet, and Local Emergency Planning Commission, Starlene Grossman. Supervisor Winkle. Motion approved. Thank you, Supervisor Winkle. Supervisor Glavin. Second. Thank you, Supervisor Glavin. Any questions or discussion? Please push your aye or nay button. The appointments are approving unanimously. Thank you. Presentations. We have Aaron Brault and Eric Phil Haber from the Conservation Planning and Conservation Department. We're going to give a project update. Good evening. Good evening. Thank you for having us tonight. Adam Asad, I touch on a couple of things that have gone on in the department over the last couple of years, and a couple of things that have been happening recently. So I'm going to start off, and then I'm going to hand it over to Eric on our staff here to talk about the second project, the Elkhart Lake Phosphorus Reducing Tile Filter. And that's been a baby of Eric's. Eric does a lot of design in our staff, and I know he's very proud of that project, and he's been around 40 years or so. He started when I was two years old, so he's been around a block and has seen that and been there. So I know he's quite proud of that project, so I'm going to hand it off to him then, and then I'll follow up with the last two. So I think my clicker is working here. So in 2011, I know my committee is aware of this, but I don't know if the rest of the county board is. In 2011, we were awarded, along with the Nature Conservancy, a $1.6 million study to look at phosphorus reduction in two paired watersheds, a paired watershed study. So the test watershed was Otter Creek out by Plymouth, and the control watershed was the Fisher's Creek, which is up by Howard's Grove. And the goal was to see what a targeted investment in a test watershed would do in regards to phosphorus and other pollutants entering the waterway. So again, it was a great partnership between the Kohler Trust for Preservation. They were the main funder, the county, TNC, obviously landowners in each watershed, the extension, USGS, NRCS, UW Madison and WNNR. And one thing we like to point out is that in the Otter Creek, the test watershed, we had over 90% landowner participation. So what did we get done? We installed about 1,450 acres of nutrient management plans, or not installed, we completed nutrient management plans on a lot of the acreage in that watershed. We did 56 acres of conservation tillage, 19 acres of cover crops, almost a mile of grass waterways, some buffers totaling about 6.6 acres, and a whole host of other things. The thing I'll talk about most tonight is the second from the bottom bullet, which was a denitrifying bioreactor. And it sounds like a big fancy word, but essentially it's a bark bed. And what that is, is it's a filter. So a lot of our ague fields are tiled in our county, and so it intercepts the water that would run through a tile, treats it before it enters the creek. And that was the first in the state. There's a couple other states around us that have installed them, but we were the first in the state of Wisconsin. So what did all those best management practices ultimately succeed in doing? About 1,200 pounds of phosphorus was reduced in the watershed, and about a pound of phosphorus can support about 500 pounds of algae. So that's about 600,000 pounds of algae that could have been prevented. Again, we installed the state's first bioreactor. And through the extension, we had a lot of cover crop research done on a couple different fields in that watershed. This is what a bioreactor looks like. Again, it's a fancy word for a big pit in the ground that water flows through. And you use hardwood, and you can't use wood that has tannins in it. I don't know the chemistry behind it, but you have to use hardwood in the phosphorus or the nitrates and nitrites bind to that hardwood and then cleaner water goes out. So we reduced nitrates. We had baseline sampling before we installed it, and we saw about a 50% reduction in nitrates flowing into Otter Creek. And nitrates, if you listen to the news, that's what causes the dead zones in water bodies. So in the Green Bay and down in the Gulf of Mexico, that's the chemical that causes the dead zones. So now I'll hand it over to Eric Quick, and he'll talk about what we've been doing out at Elkhart Lake recently. It has been an exciting project because it's got more than just the typical players that two very good farmers involved with us. It started three years ago with the Elkhart Lake Improvement Association concerned about some discharge out of a large tile line that headed directly into Elkhart Lake. I think one of the important things with this project is that Aaron alluded to the bark bit that was very successful for nitrates, but it didn't do anything for treating phosphorus. And we're looking at some of these tile systems because we've got hundreds and hundreds of thousands of agricultural soil tiles in this county that drain directly into our waterways. And the approach we're taking with this filter bit is to try to reduce some of that dissolved phosphorus by running it through a different medium other than bark, because the bark did fine under the nitrates, but it didn't do anything for the phosphorus. This was another attempt to work at that with the Lake Association in order to get the farmers to agree to put the practice on their tile system. One of the things that they pointed out was that, well, there's a lot of homes along that corner of the lake that don't have, that are hooked into the sanitary sewer system. They still have conventional septic systems and they're probably contributing about as much phosphorus as you think our tile line is. And sure enough, we sent it through the engineers and some of the people smarter than us to get approval. That's the first thing they said when they looked at the watershed is, what are you doing about the homes along the lake? If they got conventional systems, they're probably contributing more. So the second phase of this project is going to be work right along the lake and put a very similar system to this agricultural system on an individual septic tank. In other words, you take your effold out of your normal tank and it goes into another tank with this iron slag medium in which is magnetic as far as locking the phosphorus to it. And then it would go back out into the conventional filter field. So this is some of the work we just did the last couple of weeks. You have to put a liner in because we're working probably eight feet down on the ground there. So you've got groundwater issues that you want to keep out. This iron slag came from Gary, Indiana. There wasn't any slag outfits or iron furnaces in Wisconsin that produced the right kind of slag, I guess. Otherwise, I would have gotten it down to Charter Steel if I could have been a lot cheaper than trucking it up from Indiana. But that's just the way it worked out. So this is located right on East of Highway P on County Highway A between A and Shoreland Road. So if you're out there, we can take a look at it. We'll be touring it October 12th with the State Technical Committee. There will be people coming from all over the different counties in the state to take a look at it. There's a lot of interest in Kiwani and Dore counties. We're in Kiwani County, 30% of their wealth has been contaminated through agricultural runoff. And there's a big target on that. So we're hoping that some of these newer, innovative things are something that can get adapted into the future and that other counties will adopt it. And I know on October 16th and 17th, it's the ASTOP Land and Water Association of Wisconsin which is going to be hosting their food land and water conference. So I know some of the breakout numbers may have seen that. I hope you'll attend that. It's going to talk about groundwater, surface water, groundwater quantity, quality, land use. That also was the first project in the state. So people are looking to us as an example. So I'm proud of that. Moving on, the non-motorized. There's two projects remaining. Some of you have heard 2018. We're looking at the Southside Utility Corridor, just if you recall. Back in 2011, before the CATC, if you remember that advisory committee, before they disbanded, they approved a list of projects. And these two projects were on that list, so we're working down that list. It was approved unanimously by the Common Council in 2013 to move forward. And this is the high-tension line. If you recall, back in 2016, I came before you guys and presented. It's the high-tension corridor line between the power plant and going out west to County Highway OK. We have two good corporate partners in Alliant Energy and American Transmission. Alliant is going to give the property over for a buck. And they've been part of the team the entire time. And then in 2021, perhaps 2022, if there's any remaining dollars after the Southside Utility Corridor we're targeting a project on PP, which would leverage a different project going on in 2018 or 2019. And on that one, too, we've had good partnerships with adjacent property owners, primarily being Kohler Company and the Kohler Art Center with their new project along PP. So overall summary to date, about 110 miles have gone in through that program. About 14 miles of sidewalk, 60 miles of bike lanes, about 14 miles of path, 22 miles of shoulders. We've won some awards over the years. We've been nominated by Bicycle Friendly Community twice. At the time, we were only one of eight entire counties in the U.S. with that distinction. Last year, we got an Excellence in Construction Award. And though we didn't apply for the last one this year, the county was awarded a runner-friendly designation and one of the primary reasons why was because of all the work we've done in the past few years. Amsterdam Dunes update. Last time I spoke to you, I can't remember when that was, but I had mentioned that we are going to be submitting our final banking instrument. That was submitted late spring this year. We got notification from the IRT, which is the internal review team, which means it's the Army Corps, USEPA, and WDNR that our submittal was complete. So they notified us that our application was complete and that they would be reviewing it now. And we should receive comments hopefully by the end of this month or sometime in October. We started some of the restoration projects in the non-mitigation portion of that property this summer through the help of the highway department and others. And then most recently we were awarded, I think it was last week we got the notification that we were awarded a $200,000 grant from the US Forestry Service to restore areas of the non-mitigation portion of the property as well. So this was the last time I presented to you. We were in that top circle. This is the IRT's timeline. You can see that we're slowly moving down. So hopefully by the end of this year and then end of this year into winter we'll get our final, the comments back and get our final plan in addressing those comments. And then hopefully by early spring to mid next year we'll be able to sell our first credits out at that site. If you recall they released 10% once we get the final approval before we have any restoration efforts going on in the mitigation portion of the project. So here's the cost breakdown thus far. If you recall our original outlay was $4.2 million. You've seen these numbers before. State Stewardship 2.44, the NRD 1.295. We hear and I know we've heard this before but that it's moving forward and the consent decree is being circulated for signatures at the different federal agencies that have to sign off on that. Then it'll go to public hearing and then ultimately the federal judge will sign off. So it's slowly but surely making its way through for signatures, we're being told. We've got about $42,000 in farm rent. So our total confirmed reimbursement thus far is 3.7 and some change. We recently got an offer to purchase on a lot. We'll be countering that offer and if we get about what we're asking we'll be made whole if that lot comes to fruition, that lot sale comes to fruition. And this is the last slide. These are the grants we receive thus far for the non-mitigation portion of the property. Again, we just last week or the week before we got the $200,000 from U.S. Forestry Service. Any questions? You may. Hang on just a second. There we go. I just have a question about the Amsterdam Dooms in the capital. We just tried to offer to our late last detail book. We had $872,000 in costs and the $872,000 out of funding. And I didn't know if the Amsterdam Dooms in our capital plan, since it's just listed as Amsterdam Dooms, is the mitigation part or does it relate to other? I believe in the capital plan. I don't have it in front of me, but I believe that's just the mitigation portion. The mitigation portion, okay. Thank you. And then hold on to reimbursements that are coming in for the mitigation. That would be the sale of the credits in the future. Okay, so we're anticipating sales for the mitigation thing. Do we have any contracts currently? No, we can't. You can't because it's not approved technically yet. I can tell you the going rate per acre is still between that $60,000 and $70,000 mark. So it's very likely we'll have those credits then? Yeah, it'll be over time because, again, there's proving periods as you go along. They release 10% as soon as it's approved of whatever you're approved for. Right now we have, we submitted our application with 59 credits. That's, well, we won't get 59 credits, but we shot high hoping that, you know, they'd whittle it down to 50 rather than start at 50 and have them whittle it down to 40. What I've learned is it's more of a negotiation than a science. So we started at 59, so with the hopes that we'll get 45, 50 at the end of the day. So they'll release 10% of whatever that number ends up being, and then as we restore the property, they'll release another percentage of credits. And again, that's a negotiation as well. I think we put in our document 15% thereafter, and then the final year 20 or something like that. I think I listed that in the cap plan with the amounts were the percentages, I should say. If I understand this right then, the answer to the capital plan is the mitigation portion of the answer to them. Reimbursements in that capital plan relate to the sale of the credits, which we don't know exactly. When it will come in, don't anticipate them. Sale of the credits, and then I would say anything over and above what we earn after this as well. Thank you very much. Survisor Nelson. I just want to start to hear as to what you expected in life in terms of identifying the entities and what happens. Yeah, I think the medium, the question Eric was, what's the lifespan of the medium? And I believe it's 10 years, correct? It's about a million, it's a minimum of 10 years. And well, again, the Elkhart Lake Association project is, as part of their cost, they're going to need to set aside for the after the 10 years to have either enough money to continue reckoning as it's from the farm of John Jens, or if the agreement falls through, they've got the money set aside for their association to post it back up to their farm. So part of their agreement for us to get involved, and they would have also budgeted so much through here to maintain the size of the farm. That was part of the buy-in of the improvement association. Okay, thank you gentlemen. Public addresses. First we have Jeff Powers of Plymouth to talk about manure pit issues. Good to go. Hi everyone. I'm Jeff Powers. I'm a resident of the town of Plymouth. I live on Clarity Way. I've been there 14 years, and last year manure pit was put in across the road of State Highway 67 in the Helmer farm. And it's caused a lot of issues for me as an average citizen, average taxpayer. I want to talk about, maybe you guys have never had complaints about these. It's not the odors. It's the fumes I'm worried about. Health issues to older people, children. In our subdivision we live in Emerald Hills. There's River Heights, and there's another subdivision just north of me. I want to inform the county board and all the supervisors about my concerns because I believe laws need to get changed. I know the Act Committee and the way it's structured and the DNR, and I've read some rules online. I know we're concerned about fosters and water, but my concern is the air quality. So if you read a definition, everybody thinks you're talking about odors of manure from livestock, but I'm more concerned about fumes and air quality. A fuel by definition is a dust or smoke or a gas or substance given off as a result of a chemical transformation and reaction heating. So Monorpit is cooking 24, well, let's say during the day the sun is cooking it. It has a crust, but it's still cooking by chemical reaction. So somehow, some way, my house would sit directly across. There's no trees really in front of me between me and Monorpit and several other residents in my subdivision. We breathe, okay, a fume has a chemical transformation, but it can be particles. So we're breathing hydrogen, sulfide, we're breathing probably bacteria, and I don't like it. And I don't think it's fair that the state of Wisconsin, Sheboygan County, the town of Plymouth, all allow this to go on near residential subdivision that's been there awhile. So I think, again, laws need to be changed, but my concern is the health again. My wife has asthma. She has trouble now over the last year. We're going to a pulmonary specialist because of this. There's four fumes involved. There's hydrogen, sulfide, there's methane, there's ammonia and carbon dioxide. So those gases mostly dissipate, but my concern again is hydrogen, sulfide. It's so strong it'll make you gag the smell that comes in, and we believe we're breathing fumes. It's so strong we have to close up our windows and not just me and them, it's my neighbors as well. So we're all concerned about this, and the real ultimate thing is my property value has been devalued. And I don't think Sheboygan County realized it or town of Plymouth. When the DNR puts in them a manure pit, you know, if you go to sell your property and, you know, heaven forbid any one of you guys lives in a rural area next to a piece of farm that they put this in, your property value is going down according to the real estate people. So I think there's got to be some changes, some ordinances, either Sheboygan County or the state or the DNR has to pay attention to. We're all farm friendly. We live in a farm state. So I'm not trying to disrupt anything. I just want to make sure homeowners that are in the area of a manure pit, you know, have some protection. I know I wasn't notified of the manure pit being installed. I know nobody in the laws has to notify me, but that's wrong. You know, it's wrong because my wife and I wanted to retire at our house. We wanted to put on a deck, you know, cook outside. You can't do that in most days. And I'm talking about, you know, seven days a week. We're in front of about two o'clock to eight o'clock. You know, you cannot be outside. Otherwise, it'll make a gag. Again, we don't want to breathe that. Okay. So the supervisors to be aware that if there's any other pits, you know, we want the public to be involved. We want the laws to change. We want somebody to stand up for the homeowners. I'm not trying to change anything, but I have some concerns, you know, why we didn't have a storage tank as opposed to an open pit. Is the manure pit operating the way it should? Because if I can smell this seven days a week, in my mind, talking to farmers, they should be across over this and we shouldn't smell it until it's popped out. However, I'm getting it, you know, seven days a week. So I want you guys to be aware of this. And that's why I bring it up. I'm not the only one complaining about this. I do have some questions. I'd like somebody from Sheboygan County Board of Supervisors to answer. I had some questions answered by them. And I appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you. Next, John. All right. We have Alan Noel giving an update on the Veterans Memorial. First off, I'd like to thank the County Board, again, for approving the budget for the Veterans Service Office so that they could purchase flags for the deceased veterans on her cemeteries. All of you should have a notice on your desk about an AIM dedication coming up on October the 14th at the Veterans Memorial at one o'clock in the afternoon. We are going to be adding 51 new names to the memorial this year, and that is actually a new record for us, a number of names we're adding this year. The memorial is getting to be known, and we're really glad that it's coming this way. We've changed the lighting out there. It took us many years, but we are totally LED lighting. We've cut our consumption of electricity almost by 80% by going to LED lighting. And because of that, we now, if you notice, when you go by, we have lights on from dust till dawn. So anytime you go past the memorial now at night, you will see the memorial lit. The last time I think I gave a report, we have now a webpage up on the internet about the Veterans Memorial. On that webpage, there is a tab that says find a veteran. We have 3,480 names of veterans on our memorial, and you can go there and you can find a veteran. You can see if a veteran you might know or a relative, you can find out if their name is on there, and if they're not, we would encourage you to fill out an application form and surprise them and add them to the memorial. Again, I'm telling you about our thing on Saturday, October the 14th. It gives you an opportunity to come out and meet the veterans that have served from Sheboyin County and thank them for their service. Are there any questions? What's the website name? The name of the website? Oh, it's Sheboyin County Veterans Memorial. Yeah, .com. Okay, thank you. Thanks. Any other questions? Okay, thank you for your time. Thank you, Al. Letters, communications, and announcements. First off, I have three resolutions pertaining to redistricting procedures, one from the Town of Hull Board of Supervisors in the County of Portage, the second from Monroe County Board of Supervisors, and then La Crosse County Board of Supervisors. We'll receive those for information. Next, I have a resolution from now to Gamy County Board of Supervisors opposing legislation that would automatically revoke probation of persons charged with crimes. We'll refer that to the law committee. And finally, I have a resolution from the St. Croix County Board of Supervisors opposing portions of proposed legislation dealing with the motor vehicle registration fees. We'll refer that to the finance committee. That is all. Thank you. County Administrators Report. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good evening. You know, every time Alan Null comes to a county board meeting and shares his pride in our Veterans Memorial and talks about the service of veterans and just the good work that he and veterans do in this community, I just want to say thank you, Alan. Chairman Tom Wagner and I attended the fifth anniversary of the Veterans Court last week, the week before, it was last week, and Alan once again was there and was one of the mentors to the veterans that go through this program. And I know Tom and I both took notice that you're just one of those individuals that steps up time and time again, and we thank you for your service to this community. Aaron, I want to say thank you to you and Eric as well. When you go through the budget process, it's just a quick reminder to all of us just how many things are going on in Sheboydon County Government. And I know, I don't know if it was Chairman Wagner, I think it might have been Chairman Distruty that said, you know, every board meeting would be nice to hear from a different department head and for a while we were pretty good about doing that and then we've ebbed and flowed a little bit. But what a nice presentation. There are so many good things happening and planning and conservation. And when you're on that committee, you don't have a full appreciation of the good work. So thank you both for the ongoing initiatives and planning and conservation. And as I look around the room, we have some department heads with us tonight. When you talk about the budget process, it continues to go well. It's not easy, but it continues to go well. And it goes well because of people like Wendy and her staff, Jeremy and Stephanie and Jessica. And it goes well because of our department head leadership team. And one of the reasons why we're coming in so effectively hitting the target this year is the good work of Rachelle Valesky and her staff at Rocky Gnome. That was one of the pleasant surprises in the process because they came well in under the target which provided some additional flexibility for the rest of the departments. I attended the Health Care Center's committee meeting was that last week, Monday, I shouldn't even try to give these dates because time eludes me so quickly. But it was Rachelle's last Health Care Center's committee. And I know I speak for the committee when I say how much we have appreciated her thoughtful leadership and incredible track record during the last five years at Rocky Gnome. It's been superb. And we will dearly miss her. But we also are very fortunate that she gave ample notice and helped select our new Rocky Gnome administrator. Would Kayla Clinton please stand and be recognized? Kayla, welcome aboard. So these two are currently working with about a three-week overlap which is just wonderful for Kayla. She has high credentials, but to be able to work with Rachelle and get a feel for the organization and have a seamless transition is just fantastic. So we thank you both. As I said, the budget process is going well. The finance committee now is doing the heavy lifting. The department heads have been meeting with the finance committee. And if you've hit the target and you've done your due diligence, which is the case throughout the organization, it's been going pretty smoothly as those departments heads can attest who have already been there. I think I reported last month we were targeting a modest 1.35% levy increase and a tax rate reduction. I'm doing that from memory. So I think I'm pretty close there, Emmett. I know you reported it for us and I appreciate that. We're still looking good. We're still on target. The budget is coming in shortly as well as the capital outlier requests, both which are a little beyond the goals we established. But because of some of the flexibility we have, as well as the work we've been doing to prioritize, we're going to be just fine. We're going to be just fine. The last thing I wanted to touch on is the transportation complex. As promised, I said each month I'd give a brief update. Elaine Bosman, my assistant is here this night and for Chris Lewinsky who is on a much-deserved vacation. Elaine, as you know, just coordinated our all-employee appreciation picnic where we had, I think, a little over 400 people participate. It was very successful. And she keeps Tom and I in line, so we appreciate that. That is a true statement. The first slide. This is a shot of the transportation complex. I'm sure a number of you drive by from time to time, but I know all of you don't. And let me tell you, good progress is being made under the oversight of folks like Greg Schnell and his team and Jim Tobist and his team. And we're real pleased with the progress. We are still looking about four or five weeks late because of all the rain this summer, but I'm sure this good weather of late has been very helpful. But this is a shot from 67 and J where you can see the rough work that was completed with bringing in the water lines from Rocky Knoll. Next slide. We recently had the transportation committee out there. We did a little tour. And as you can see from this photo, the door canopies are all being installed right now. And one of the reasons for the door canopies, why take that expense? Well, we've tried to be very sensitive to the neighbors. And there were some neighbors a little concerned about this massive building going up down the road. And the canopies will keep lighting more directed down or in the parking lot area rather than just shooting all over the place and being more disrupting to the neighbors. So I appreciate how Greg has worked with the neighborhood to make sure that their input's been heard and that we're sensitive to concerns like that. Next slide, please. Here's the office complex, which is far smaller than the overall garage and building and where the work is done on all the equipment. So as you can see, the office area is right in front. The roof has gone on. And so far it's looking good. Next slide. Here you can see from the business across the way the main parking garage, which is obviously the main component of this facility, it is massive and looking good. Next slide. There's the mugshot of most of the members of the Transportation Committee. Chairman Wagner and I, along with Jim DeBeest and Greg Schnell, we had a chance to go through the facility and have just a great tour. And that day they were pouring the concrete in the main garage. Next slide. And if memory serves, and I see Greg in the room, wasn't it 30 truckloads a day? Say again? 300 yards a day. 300 yards a day. How many trucks? 30. Right around 30, right? Unbelievable. As you can see, we're observing one of those truckloads coming in and what a smooth operation. It's different than many of us may have seen happen with our house or a driveway where one truck, maybe two and a few guys working at it, these guys, they were good and they were effective. Next slide, please. And as you can see, that garage now is completed. And 30 truckloads a day. They weren't moving, so appreciate the work there. Next slide. This is the repair shop and an angle from the mezzanine or storage area up above. Concrete has yet to be poured, but that's where a lot of the maintenance work will be done on the vehicles that are obviously stored in the garage. Next slide. And then this is some in-floor heat. We have some in-floor heat going into this facility because it's more efficient. Next slide. And then finally, this is the vantage point from the driveway. So, so far, so good. We are within budget. We haven't made great use of our contingency. Generally, you know, when you do a project, you build in five, six percent contingency. I think that was upwards of 1.8 million or thereabouts. I know we've had a few change orders, but overall, things are well within budget. And again, I want to say thank you to Greg Schnell and Jim to Beast and the folks who have been closely involved with this. It's going well. With that, Mr. Chairman, thank you very much. Thank you, Adam. Okay, consideration of committee reports from the executive committee. Resolution number nine regarding 2018 five-year capital plan, committee recommendation to adopt. Supervisor Tostridi. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'll move for adoption. Thank you, Supervisor Tostridi. Supervisor Wegeman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'll second that. Thank you, Supervisor Wegeman. Question. Supervisor Otten. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regards to the warehouse maintenance garage, I thought that that would be covered by the sale of that property. Okay, that's correct. Could somebody answer that? Originally, we were hoping or we had an estimate that the courthouse maintenance garage would be closer to 250,000. Jim to Beast or Aaron Brault can both correct me if I share anything incorrectly here. After we got estimates, it came in higher than that. It's important. We want to get it done. So the reimbursement of 255 is from the sale proceeds of the parking area, which is ultimately going to be an apartment complex, but it didn't cover the entire cost of the new garage. I'm looking at Aaron and Jim. Anything to add there? Thank you, Supervisor Otten. Supervisor Ureiner. This is a capital plan. It's a big, big expenditure for us with the county board of 20 million over five years. 53 million before reimbursements. And I, as I look at it, I often have wondered, you know, are these needs or are they wants? And one of the pieces, the terminal building at the airport, to have a number of friends and associates that are part of the airport environment and family. And what I've gathered over the years is I really don't have a need for a fully staffed terminal at that airport. So I'm going to make a motion to take the terminal building development out of the capital plan. I assume that's an order. Correct, Carl? Yes. Okay, thank you. Is there a second to that motion? Is there a second to that motion? Yes. Mr. Chairman, I will second that motion. Thank you. Could you identify what line that you're looking at, please? Do you have a copy? Do you know it? 287 is the project number. And it's the third one. Number two under airport and entire length. Surveyser Hoffman. Mr. Chairman, may I speak to that particular amendment? Yes, you may. Okay, thank you. I have thought about this long and hard for several years. And as you know, I don't feel that we need this building out at our airport. As you know, I'm a flight instructor. I own a hang at the airport. I've been flying out of the airport since the early 80s. And, you know, the airport is just what it is. If we build this building, we're not going to attract an airline. And we have good facilities the way it is. And I, you know, I don't understand why we're going to spend $1.2 million. I mean, there are several communities that have built terminal buildings and they're literally empty and unused. I can mention Eau Claire. Oshkosh has very little use except during EAA. And for us to put this in here and until such time as somebody can show me that this is a good expense of the public taxpayer money, I'm opposing it. And I've been all over this country. I get into a lot of terminals. I do a lot of flying. You know, like just last weekend, I just took a run up to O'Connell and back with the wife for a fly in. So I do a lot of flying. And I talked to a lot of the people out at the airport. And they agree with me. I mean, this is a senseless expense of the taxpayers money. So I would, I'm supporting this and I hope you do too to take this money out of this particular capital plan. Thank you. Thank you. Supervisor Winkle. As a member of the airport, I didn't support this initially until I heard from the people at Polar Company, Ball Rat Company, Bemis, Lakeland College, the need for a terminal. The other thing is that it will not be staffed by county personnel. It will most likely be staffed by our FBO operator. Thank you, Supervisor Winkle. Anyone else? Maybe Adam? You could follow up on that because I know you've been involved in it. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'd like to follow up on Supervisor Winkle's comments. I heard the same. I think many of our larger businesses see this as a potential enhancement to our airport. And as everyone knows, the airport is the first impression people get in our community when they come across the state and the world and fly into that airport. And more of that is happening. The Transportation Committee, the Transportation Committee's Advisory Committee, Greg Schnell, Charles Sweet, a number of people have been involved in discussions. We recently had a consultant come in and give recommendations on costs and configurations. Final decisions have not been made, but I do know, as Supervisor Winkle said, companies like Polar and others are interested in not only the terminal being explored, but also establishing customs here. Right now, any time they go on an international flight or Bemis does or Johnsonville does, they have to fly in and out of Green Bay before they come directly to Sheboygan County. And that's an impediment to their business and it's likely going to be an impediment to others. So it's not in 2018, it's considered for 2019. So obviously, if plans don't continue to develop or look favorable, this can still be removed. Or as the motion is on the floor, you could remove it now too, but certainly that gives some mixed messages, I think, to the Transportation Committee, Greg Schnell, Charles Sweet and our Advisory Committee that are currently working on this. Thank you, Adam. Supervisor Winkle? The ability to bring customs here was one of the overriding issues with both the Polar Company and the Polar Company. Thank you, Supervisor Winkle. Okay, Fair. Supervisor Wegeman? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It's been a while since I've been flying, but I've flown for nearly 20 years and had a plane out to the airport also and I'll respectfully disagree with Brian. I can't believe we haven't had a terminal thus far when you go to a lot of the other airports that I went to. I couldn't believe how nice their terminals were and what we had here. And it was almost embarrassing sometimes. Sheboygan's got a lot more traffic than some of the airports that Brian mentioned. Oh, Claire is an example. Sheboygan's traffic going in and out is much, much higher and same with Oshkosh, although Oshkosh is the airport, it's doing quite well. So all I'll say is we're not covering all this. A lot of this is state and federal money and I think it would be a great investment for the county. Thank you. Thank you, Supervisor Wegeman. Supervisor Hoffman, were you up again? Please. You're up. I don't think that we're going to have a full-time customs agent here for, you know, maybe one or two flights a day. That's just not in the cards. You know, can you see it? I can't see it. They're going to have a customs department here at Sheboygan Airport. I predict that that'll never happen. It's a good thought. And as for, you know, Greg and I have a different opinion, but saying that it's a lot of this is federal dollars, yeah, but it's still taxpayer money and I still don't see the need. I haven't been convinced. So, and I've been to a lot of airports recently and, well, anyway, that's my opinion. Thank you. Thank you. Surveysia Rainer. The bottom line for us to look at is, is this a need or is this a want? A smaller group of companies that might have the opportunity to have customs? Then what might the taxpayers I have represented have said why are we tapping the taxpayers in general or that? And I think we as supervisors we are accountable to our citizens. So I am going to vote to take the generally out of the plan. Thank you. Supervisor Epping. Thank you, Chairman Wagner. The million dollars or whatever allocation is being proposed for this. Is this just the construction of it? And I wonder, are we going to be putting up money for operating expenses for this terminal? Or is the private sector going to help with those costs? These are questions that I have about this issue. Thank you. Thank you, Surveysia Epping. Surveysia Bemis. I think as we look at wants and needs it probably is not a need today or tomorrow. But in a year or two down the road it could possibly be a need. And I think with interest rates the way they are today it's good to get a lot of our future needs taken care of now. I can remember when interest rates we were talking about 18%. Now we're talking what, 2, 3? Thank you, Supervisor Bemis. Supervisor Wigelman. I should comment that the finance committee already discussed the possibility of getting the counties portion of this paid for by the private sector. And that was discussed at two different finance committee meetings. I think there's a very good possibility that if we go to some of the companies that Supervisor Winkle mentioned earlier we're going to see some private funding for this to help us offset some of our costs. Thank you. Thank you, Surveysia Wigelman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. One of the things I know they sent out a questionnaire once and that was to be a lot of things were reported and came back to the airport commission but one of the things was our building. And that's also a reason why we're thinking about it and changing which I've been thinking about for 10 years since I've been on that thing. The other thing is we should be listening to what our employees in this area ask for and what they need. And that's why we did the UW additional work. You've got to listen to what they know what they need. We don't know that. They use it and use it regularly. And I would believe I hate to say this because if 10% of you ever went out there and went into that building to see what it looks like I'm sure that if you flew in and out you would not like it either. And we need somebody there to get a good impression of what our airport is because we do use it a lot more and more in the future. Think about what's going to happen even if this big company is building and receding. All over this state people are going to be trying to get businesses there and that's going to affect this our airport as well as everybody else's. So I'm willing to do that. Thank you, Supervisor Conradie. Supervisor Tistrude. I would urge everyone to leave this in the capital plan for the company, it is. We have more activity in our airport advisory community. It had been dormant for about a year and a half. We're getting a lot of input and we're searching what is the best location, what is the best way to do it, how to help finance it. At the last airport advisory it was mentioned that many of the corporates have been out in Manitowoc Airport and I believe if I'm correct on this there's one more that will be leaving this year and then there will be no more corporates out in Manitowoc County airport at all. These are some of the things we need to consider. Business is the lifeblood of our community and we need to support them. I would urge us to leave this in the plan for now and we'll dig deeper into the details and I'm positive the transportation and finance committee will look into it thoroughly and come up with the best plan going forward and certainly if there is not a need I would I'm sure that it can be removed at that time. Thank you. Thank you, Surveyser Tasterty. Anyone else? If not then the motion is to remove that amount for the terminal which is lying. What Carl? Okay, so if I have it right okay. Yes vote removes it and no vote keeps it in. Correct? Okay, please vote. The motion is not approved for eyes to 21 days. Thank you. Surveyser Hoffman. Before we vote on the motion I have a question about why isn't there any money in the law area for expansion of our jail at this time or in the very, very near future? Because I think we had better start looking at that. I believe it's down there but it is out further. Yeah, it's out too far I think. That's fine. I think that's where the finance committee moved it to. Greg you want to comment on that at all? Yes, thank you Mr. Chairman. The finance committee discussed this at length and number one we didn't think enough time and effort had been spent on investigating our various options and now we've gone back to the sheriff and asked for other alternatives that would not entail the kind of costs that were being discussed. So we think there can be some better alternatives than what we're originally shown to us. Thank you, Surveyser Wegeman. Surveyser Rainer. Yes, the Sheriff Department had asked for I believe it was close to 30 million dollars to build up the jail to add a stack up to the current jail and apparently this has been a long range plan for at least 10 years and there is currently concern that the jails will become overcrowded very soon in the next few years and we've got to allocate our resources in this capital plan based on where the needs are and it is concerning at this point that didn't get pushed beyond the five year plan the amount of money in here is simply for some kind of study I believe but not for an actual building and just a quick comment I can assure you 1.7 million dollars isn't for a study that's for the engineering and design of the proposed 30 million dollar addition and I imagine most of the board feels similar and the last thing we want to do is spend 30 million dollars in addition to our detention center the sheriff and inspector have clearly shown there's a need and at one point we were pretty much full it subsided a little bit but I thought the finance committee was very clear that they want to see alternatives and not only alternatives to incarceration but options to work with other surrounding counties and I've already met with some of my peers talking about perhaps a regional facility so I heard Chairman and the finance committee loud and clear and I think it's a very appropriate challenge we really need to look at all options before we spend 30 million dollars on an addition but the 1.7 million in there for 222 is for actually the planning and design of that addition thank you Mr. Chairman thank you Adam we have a Survisor Bemis I would hope that we can have something figured out and taken care of before we have to go out and buy tents agreed anybody else we have a motion I believe before us to approve the five-year capital plan and seeing no other lights please push your I button to approve it or your NAY button not to the motion has approved 23 A's two NAYs ordinance number four regarding changing supervisory district boundaries to reflect annexations committee recommendation to enact Supervisor Gehring thank you Mr. Chairman I move to enact ordinance number four thank you Supervisor Gehring Supervisor Damp I will second that motion thank you Supervisor Damp any discussion seeing no lights please push your I that motion is approved unanimously I'll turn the gavel over to the vice chair resolution is introduced resolution number 10 from the finance committee regarding approving standard intergovernmental agreement for 2018 county sales tax revenue sharing resolution number 10 will be referred to the executive committee resolution number 11 from the law committee regarding authorizing an application for fiscal year 2017 justice assistance grant program award and entering into an MOU with the city of Sheboygan resolution number 11 is referred to the finance committee resolution number 12 from the transportation committee regarding authorizing county aid for bridge and culvert construction in the towns of Herman, Holland, Lima and Sheboygan Falls resolution number 12 will be referred to the finance committee now ordinance is introduced ordinance number five from the law committee regarding increasing medical examiner fees to match increasing costs ordinance number five is referred to the finance committee next item on the agenda is adjournment supervisor Winkle motion is to adjourn is there a second? Supervisor Biemann all second motion second is to adjourn when the clerk opens please please cast your vote supervisor damp supervisor hillbillink supervisor hillbillink supervisor hillbillink can I get a push your button stand adjourn