 So we're pursuant to chapter 20 of the acts of 2021. This meeting will be conducted by a remote means. Members of the public who wish to access the meeting may do so in the following manner. By emailing Steve McCarthy at McCarthyS at AmherstMA.gov. That's M-C-C-A-R-T-H-Y-S at AmherstMA.gov. No in-person attendance of members of the public will be permitted, but every effort will be made to ensure that the public can adequately access the proceedings in real time by a technological means. In the event that we are unable to do so for reasons of economic hardship and despite best efforts, we will post on the town website an audio or video recording transcript or other comprehensive record of proceedings as soon as possible after the meeting. And with that said, we'll call the meeting to order at 5.02 PM to take a roll call of attendance. Dylan. Here. Doug. Here. And I'm here. So we're three of us here and commissioners, De Los Reyes and Hughes are absent. Okay. So what is first up? Oh, general public comment. Is there anyone here for general public comment? And this is not anything pertaining to any of the hearings coming up. It's just general. And if you have something to say, just raise your hand by hitting the raise hand button at the bottom of the screen. And I don't see anybody raising their hand. Okay, great. So first up, we have some licenses. So what is, let me see if I can get my agenda. Is it the, sorry, I'm having trouble seeing it on my screen. Is this the live entertainments or the common bits? So we have live entertainment first, but maybe we could, I would suggest maybe doing Coronation Cafe first and we have that person in the audience and we can move on to the rest of the. Okay. So first off is the common victim relations or coronation cafe and who is here to speak on this. Steve, do you want to introduce this or is Mr. Kurtz here? Mr. Kurtz is here. Okay. Welcome, Mr. Kurtz. Thank you for coming. Yes. Hello, I'm here. My name is Joe Kurtz and I am representing Coronation Cafe at 103 North Pleasant Street. We are a new breakfast and lunch cafe that has just opened. Okay, wonderful. And did everyone have a chance, Doug and Dylan, did you have a chance to go over the license application? Yes, I did. Are there any questions from Mr. Kurtz? Yes. I actually have one for Steve and potentially one for Mr. Kurtz, but. So Steve, I was noticing in the printouts from the application that it doesn't include the address. So I don't know if that's something that can be included in the printout or not. I am surprised that didn't come out. I will make sure that does in the future but this is at 104 North Pleasant Street. This is where Barts used to be. Yeah, I did a little lookup of that, which is good. And I think for Mr. Kurtz, you're looking to do, I think it's 8 to 3 Tuesday through Saturday. Is that correct? And you're talking about breakfast in particular. You know, are there any things in particular about your business that you'd like us to know or things you're considering potentially in the future? Mr. Kurtz, are you still there? We have lost audio. Oh, does he lose his audio? Maybe, Mr. Kurtz, if you can hear us and we can't hear you, can you just raise your hand and zoom or do some of their actions? We might have that idea. Oh, he's muted, unmuted. It's not essential to get an answer. It's just curious. It sounds like we may have some technical difficulties here. That's okay. I'm sorry, but if I'm being spoken to, I haven't heard anything. Oh. I'm not sure if it's something on my computer or what. Okay, so can you hear us now? Can you hear me? No, I don't think you can hear us. Okay. Yeah. I don't actually, my question addressed, I didn't see, I don't have any issue or concern or problem with the Convictural License, so I don't get that addressed. Okay. Dylan, do you have any questions about the license application? I'm on this one, seemed pretty straight forward on that. Okay. If we don't think we need any more feedback, would someone like to make a motion to approve? I would be happy to make a motion to approve the Convictural License for Coronation Cafe at 103 North Pleasant Street, pursuant to all requirements and notifications being completed in case they aren't. That's a good point. Is everything completed on this one, Steve? Yes, it is. Okay, great. Thank you. And is there, I think you for the motion, is there a second? Second. Thank you, Dylan, for the second. So, is there any further discussion? Okay, hearing none, let's take a vote. Dylan. Aye. Done. Aye. And I vote aye. That is three to zero with two absent. Did I do that right? And since we have a quorum, the application is approved. So, thank you to Mr. Kurtz, if you can hear us for coming in. Steve, can you let him know? Yes, I'll shoot an email. And then that's, it doesn't sound like he's getting through it all. Yeah, I can hear him talking, but I don't know if he can hear us. All right. All right. Okay. Great. So, and then the next two, which two should we do next? We just do Gizzle's Blue Lagoon, the live entertainment and the Common Vic. And it is, is... Junior Williams. Oh, Mr. Williams. Thank you for coming in, Mr. Williams. Thank you guys for having me. Oh, sure. We just wanted to get, I think get a couple of things squared away. So, did everyone see the Common Vic and live entertainment licenses? Yes? Okay. Are there any questions? Steve, is everything kind of set up for these? Everything's kind of in place? Yes. For these, we should be all right. Okay. Great. All right. Do anyone have any questions for Dylan? I mean, I'm going to ask this one where we've got the Common Vic. It's 11 a.m. to 1 a.m. every day of the week. But I've seen on you guys' Instagram page that you're posting it's till 2 a.m. that you guys are open to what's going on with that. We're only open till 1 a.m. It must be a misprint. Anybody that can come by and see that, sometimes we even close before 1 a.m. Okay. We've never, we've never opened past 1 a.m. Okay. Thank you. Great. Any other questions about these licenses in particular or concerns? No? If there are no further questions for Mr. Williams, would we like to, is there a motion to approve? Do we want to approve at the same time or just one at a time? I'm happy to move to approve both the Common Vixler and the Live Entertainment Licenses for JPAJ Solutions Incorporated Doing Businesses A.S. Blues Gooden. Thank you, Doug, so much for that. Is there a second? No, second. All right, thank you, Dylan. Is there any further discussion about these two licenses? Nope, hearing none, let's take a vote. Doug? Aye. Dylan? Aye. And I vote aye. That is three to zero with two absent and the two licenses are approved. Thank you so much, Mr. Williams, for coming in. We did, I just didn't want to bring up very briefly. We did hear about the ABCC hearing and a couple of us were in attendance, but it does sound like everything went all right. And I know it's difficult in a university town to kind of keep track of that kind of thing. So I just wanted to say that all the things what you had said at the hearing sounded really good that you were on top of it. And that was good. Does anyone else have anything else to bring up about that? Or Steve? No? Okay. Yeah, Junior, I just wanted to ask for the record of, you said at the hearing you would be installing new electronic ID scanners, has that happened? Yes, that's been there. We have two of them now. Okay, and you installed those after the hearing? No, we had one before. We added a more expensive one now. All right, super. Okay. Okay, and did you get a chance to review the happy hour regulations I sent you? Because some of those Instagram advertisements also showed violations of that. I just wanted to make sure you're aware of those now. Confused in what you're saying. What you wrote, we took that down. I wasn't aware that we had violated. I was just going off of what other people had written on the thing. And as soon as we found out via what you told us, we've stopped that. Okay, yeah. So you do understand that any drink prices that are changed have to be remained for at least a week. It can't be any nightly drink specials or hourly drink specials or anything like that. Completely understood. Thank you. All right, are there any other questions, Mr. Williams? No, ma'am. Okay, thank you so much for coming in. And I'm glad we got those two licenses taken care of. Thank you very much. You have a blessed night now. Oh, you too. Thank you. Bye-bye. Okay. And so our next one up is, what do we go up next? It's live entertainment. Live entertainment, where is it? 63 Monkey Bar. Oh yeah, Monkey Bar's live entertainment. And this Steve, you said was an oversight. Or they just forgot to file it into the application? Yeah, they just forgot to file renewal. Okay. And they have DJs and live musicians and bands. Okay. Yes. Does anyone have any questions? Oh, sorry. I just have one. You know, I know that I believe they've done an outdoor space this summer. I could be mistaken. I may be misremembering. But were they having music outside or only inside? They did. They did apply for that. It hasn't been installed yet. I believe their intention was to offer some light music outside as well. But mostly, inside activity they've had for many years. Yeah, I think just for us as a board to think about is that with the addition of outdoor spaces and the potential for more outdoor entertainment, and not necessarily good or bad, I just think it's something to consider whether we need to review those differently or renew the application for the outdoor space for the summer differently if they're going to have music outside. You know, there's been no issue today. People are playing any music. They have a reasonable volume, that kind of thing. But I just want to put it out there for us to consider that we may want to think about how we want to approach that if we were to have an entertainment license and people were being outside and either having music until one in the morning outside or at a volume that's noticeable to more than just the immediate customers, that kind of thing. I think we just want to think about that a little bit as it might come up for us in the future. So it's something to ponder. I don't think we have to take any action or do anything specific relative to that. I think that's a good point. I am going to excuse myself just for a second. My keyboard has died at a very inconvenient time, which is making it difficult to take a minute. So I'm going to go run and grab batteries near the side of the room, but I'll be right there. OK, so we won't vote on anything until he gets back. Probably best not to make a motion. I know. This is the exciting part of the video clip when somebody watches this later. Well, as long as he's doing that, I'm going to keep getting a call from a number and see if it is important. Give me just a moment. I think those batteries have been running since the Obama administration, so unfortunate timing. OK, your money's worth. So I will make a motion to approve the live entertainment license for Beast Joe 63 Monkey Bar LLC at 63 North Pleasant Street. OK, thank you, Doug, for the motion. Is there a second from you, Dylan? Second. Thank you, Dylan. Is there any further discussion? No. Let's take a vote. Dylan. Doug. I. Dylan. I vote I. And I vote I. That is 3 to 0 with two absent and the live entertainment license for the Monkey Bar is approved. Great. OK. So now we move into our discussion items. And we have adult news marijuana. Oh, yeah. Sorry, Doug. One of the things. So list on the agenda is the liquor license transaction. Oh, jeez. Sorry. Right. Sorry about that. So this is still continued. And Steve, you said you've got a call from him just before the meeting started. Yes, they are withdrawing the application. He will submit that in writing as well. OK. But yeah, I guess they've reached some kind of deal with their landlord. There will now be a pledge involved of the liquor license. And that will need to be re-advertised. And given how many changes there's been, I thought it proper that it just be reapplied for. So we don't have application fees. So do we need to do anything right now? Or just withdrawals? We don't need to close up or anything or take a vote? Or, you know? Technically, I think if we would formally close the hearing. But I think until that withdrawal is formally filed, we may want to not. So do we continue the hearing until the next meeting? Yeah, I think probably so. I think that's probably proper. Yeah, I'll move to continue the hearing. All right, thank you. Is there a second? Thank you, Dylan. All in favor? That let's take a vote. Doug? Aye. Dylan? Aye. Aye. 3 to 0, it's too absent. The continued transfer of all alcohol, premises, license, and change of location, Shilpa Enterprises to Oxbow Wine's LLC is continued until July 28, which would be our next meeting. By the way, Dylan, we're skipping the 21st and going to the 28th because Steve is not going to be here. I will be gone that week. I'm going to be camping up in Maine. Oh, no. OK, all right. But you can do a meeting without me if you have to. And Doug is going to be gone. But I believe I will have remote connection if I don't. I will let you know very soon because I will ask that question. It would be surprising if I don't, but I'm sorry, Dylan. But we might have Hallie and Gaston and me, which would be a quorum. OK, so I guess we'll see how that goes. And where did Steve go? I don't want to do anything until he comes back on. Yeah, it may have been more than his keyboard that failed now. Oh, no. Did he email? Oh, wait, here he goes. No end of technical problems today. Yeah, what's going on? It didn't work when I put the new batteries in. Oh, no. But somehow it started working, and the go to sleep button does work. So I think we should be good now. Sorry about that. OK, no, that's all right. So did you get that? We voted to continue the hearing until the 28th. Yes. Although Dylan won't be here, and Doug won't be here. But maybe Doug will be here via technological means. OK, and you won't be here, Steve, right? On the 28th, I will be, yep. Oh, you will be here? Yeah, I will be out on the 21st, but the 28th I'll be here. OK, great. So the 28th it is. OK, so those are the liquor license things we have to do. So now let's move on to discussion items. Number one, Doug adult use marijuana. I'll give a very, very brief update. Not as much work as I'd like to do on this, but nonetheless, I was looking up because there's two pieces to this. One is the regs that we have, and I'm going to give more and more read through, which hasn't happened until I need to do that. But one of the other things that is a consideration is the actual granting of creating of and granting the authority to us of the license itself. And so I did spend a little time looking at the bylaws because I knew that there was an existing bylaw that did sort of that for keg licenses. Interestingly, on the 29th of June, some amendments were made to the town bylaws by the town council. I didn't realize they were doing that, but I don't watch their activities as closely as perhaps others do. But nonetheless, they actually modified the keg licensing. And so it's even a better version of a bylaw that we could basically use as a template for the purposes of adult use licensing. So my goal is to, hopefully in the next meeting or two, kind of do one final pass through the regulations. And again, just a reminder, if you got the last version, which was from further ago, then I recall it's like March when we last had an edit to these. But if anyone has any input on that, that'd be great. But try to get a final read of that together for everyone. And then also a first draft of how the bylaw licensing would look, because I think if we bring it to the council, and I forget if it's their TSO or their free at the committee that specifically looks at like bylaw changes. But if we have it sort of preformed for them, it's very simple. The keg bylaw has really gotten short. With definitions, it's a page and a half. And so this might be a little longer for us, but I think try to bring that before everybody. Make sure we encapsulate all the sort of cases we want to try to have included in a license like that. And then that way we've got something pretty well-defined to bring to the council, both their subcommittees that review these in process and that sort of thing, and then ultimately bring for the full council for approval. So that's where that project sits at the moment. Okay, great. Thanks, Doug. Any questions for Doug? We're good. Yeah, sounds great. Okay. All right, rental registration. We don't have an update on that was guest on. He was working on that with Mandi. Okay, so skip that. Lunch cart regulations, you have a new draft. Which Steve again, thanks for your input. So Steve did a lot of work on this and I kind of incorporated what Steve did and then chopped out a lot of stuff. So I think one of the things I cut out is I had this new language in which I'd gotten from another town about there being a lottery and a first come first serve basis. And Steve pointed out that that was conflicting with some of the original lunch cart regulations that we had the extant ones from the select board. And I think that was a really good point. And so I took that out. And then there were a couple of questions. Oh, also I began to move it over to mobile, the language to mobile food establishments on the public way, which I think is good. So I don't know if I should be using that consistently throughout the regulations, but maybe, because we already have the historical language of lunch cart, but it might be, I don't know if it's easier for people just to keep lunch cart and also can call it mobile food establishment. Anyway, short term, I cut down the minimum short term and just said no more than 72 hours. I tried to separate, I took out a lot of the, on the short term license, I took out some of the language which had come from the short term license on the public way. Because Steve pointed out that if it's, they're also applying for a liquor license, a short term liquor license on the public way, they will kind of, that will be covered under that license and not under this one. And so it's redundant. So what else, Steve added something in four using liquid LPG cylinders and or solar panels as opposed to gas and diesel generators that kind of makes that section a little more precise. Let's see. And then there were a couple of good questions in section on sidewalk lunch carts. The very last part just before you get to lunch carts before the downtown area, who did, there's the duty different characteristics of each cart in each sidewalk space. All locations may not be appropriate for all carts. And Steve had the good question, who determines this and when? So that's a carryover from the select board regulations. And I don't know what criteria they used to determine that. I don't know if lunch carts come, there are several standard sizes and, but that's a good question. And then the, also the question of how does the paying applicable parking fees work? So if we say they have to have like several parking spaces to form a kind of a barrier or to have some space around them and they have to pay for those parking spaces. Who kind of, who collects the fees for that? How do they, like, do they write a check to somebody? So administratively, how does that work? Yes, Doug. So a couple of things. One on the first question you posed, which is around the lunch carts and the sizes and determination. I don't know that the select board necessarily had something in mind there, but one of the things, sort of case by case basis. But I think that what we may want to think about, and we can put it in as examples of without being exhaustive or sort of the, I think the key factors are aspects of, use of the public way and it's in a normal way. So we don't want to block it off. So people can't get by in wheelchairs and is it creating an obstruction that prevents the use of the public way in its normal way? And for all, you know, citizens, and then I think the, and then other safety concerns. And so I think those are kind of broadly the categories that we would apply. And I think, you know, something to that effect would probably be a sufficient addition in that regard. Okay. And the other point I was going to make, oh, advocate for parking with these. If they're in a place that has a parking meter, they just need the meter. Okay. That's, I mean, you know, if they ask the questions like, you know, either buy quarters and stuff, thing full quarters or get the app and just renew it when it runs out. And, you know, part, you know, I mean, I should be, that's a way to do it. And that would be incumbent upon our parking officials to swing by on a regular basis to make sure it's being paid. The alternative to that, and I think this is what we've done in the past is that you may payment in advance. So if someone wants a parking spot to move into their apartment, let's say they live in a building down town upstairs and they want to reserve for the truck, you know, to find a spot for the entire day, you can do that. And so this came before the select board, you know, there was some kind of request. These things come before the council now and probably the manager because he probably handles those now. But essentially what you do is you just, you write a check to the town for that. It goes into the parking fund. And I think they either give you a placard or a little thing that you put over the meter. And that resolves that. But that's typically for a very fixed amount of time. I think for the short-term licenses, that could also work where they write a check because it's like, I'm gonna be there from Friday to Monday. And so it's, you know, you've got your little bag that you put over the meter head for those days. If it's something different than that, then, you know, probably, you know, sort of feeding the meter is the most simple thing for everyone would be my suggestion because they're not compelled to be there every day that they could be there. And so that's where like charging them in advance for it is a little tricky. But that might be, you know, operationally that may be a thing that working with the town manager's office and, you know, to work out. But I think in cases where short-term, it can be, you know, it can be part of like when they write the check for the license, you know, the thing for the parking in the spot they're located could all be one fell swoop, right? Right. To my mind and just the differentiation is on the receipt to them. So they know which part was for the license and which part was for the, for the parking. And that way the town hall can sort that out in their accounting structure. I think for the longer ones where it's like a full year license, you know, and they're gonna be in a certain location that may have a parking be or they wanna, when they're in the spot, they just pay the meter. Somebody goes to the right place at that point and I think it's fine. I think the key thing there is that for the meter attendance that check, you know, compliance that they, we wanna, you know, do two things with those folks. A, make sure that they kind of swing by regularly so that people are paying the meter. And then the second thing is to not enforce the limits. Like most of the meters have a limit, oh, a four-hour limit or a two-hour limit or whatever limit. And so those are don't apply. And so that way they can keep feeding the meter. You know, that way they wouldn't, you know, that's a, that's an educational piece for the folks that are parking control officers. So that's what I would suggest there. Okay, all right, that's great. So different, so insert some criteria about how the public, how the lunch carts can, how they use the public way. They can't create an obstruction to other safety concerns and then some stuff in about how they can pay the fees with a difference between a short term and a longer term. Yeah. Yeah, okay. All right, I can put that in. Thank you. And I think there was something else. Steve, is there something else? Oh, I took out the noise, the noise, music identifications. I said, I just said, do not play music or any kind of sound amplification. I, it's a, they put in to attract customers, but I just, I'm Steve's recommendation, I just took it out. So I tried to simplify what I had. I think we had a little discussion about that last time. How would you determine if it's to attract customers or not? And they don't really have any need to be playing amplified music. Although I guess we want to think, now that just crossed my mind, now we might want to think about that with ice cream trucks and maybe not, but. So do we license ice cream trucks? They have to get mobile food establishment licenses. This may have been a blind spot of the old regs. They have to get mobile food establishment licenses. Oh, do they? And it is the public way. And maybe that is, yeah, that's just all. I haven't seen one in years. So are there any, have any currently applied for licenses? I don't, I think there was no, for at least on the food side, there's a whole rigmarole of criminal background checks they have to go through that mother mobile food establishments don't. And I know earlier this year there was, I forget what it was, but it was some local kind of farm creamery place that had a truck that wouldn't be driving around with the playing the music, but was going to more of a actual food truck style that was going to some event on Hampshire college. And we were kind of going back and forth and whether they would have to go through all of that criminal background check types of stuff for that event. So I know we have the regulatory structure for it, at least on the food side, but I don't know if there are actually any around here. So is there a, you don't have a record of like ice cream trucks that have applied for license? I can't think of any that have crossed my desk since I've been in this role. Okay. Besides that edge case, I guess. Okay, but we do, that would be fall under our view. Yeah, I mean, it is a mobile food establishment and on the public way. Yeah. All right. It's, I think that's, they should be considered a part of the same thing. Cause if they sort of jump both hoops, I mean, you know, if you're going to sell sandwiches, you got to jump our hoop in there. And the inspection services, I would presume we should apply the same standard to ice cream trucks or anything else. I mean, I think we set our license price in a way that it's not too burdensome, but at the same time. Okay. I was just confused because under definitions and what I took from the select board is that lunch carts are something that are not, they're defined differently from ice cream trucks under state law. But let me look it up. So I don't know if there are different laws for an ice cream truck, but let me look that up. That is an interesting question. I wouldn't think they would. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if, I guess, yeah, in the regs, they're kind of excluding ice cream trucks, but I don't know if in state law that necessarily means, maybe it's just Amherst carving that out or maybe it's state law that carves that out. Yeah, I don't know, but I will, I'll look that up. All this almost makes me wonder if they were just blanket band at some point and I don't know if any of you have lived in Amherst, Larver than I have any memory of something like that happening, but. You mean with banning ice cream trucks? Yeah, I know, my hometown banned them. Oh really? A kid get hit by a car crossing the street, yeah. It could be recent, we had, I remember seeing them years ago, but I haven't, when my kids were very small, but I haven't seen them in a long, long time. So where they banned, I don't know. Do you remember, Doug, where they banned? No, and I have the same recollection you do. I've seen them in town, but it's been a long, long time since I have. So I don't recall that. Yeah, but probably seven years, maybe six or seven years. I have a vague memory of seeing one in college, maybe seven or eight years ago, but. Okay, well, all right. So I will look into ice cream trucks. Let's see, anything else, Steve? Oh, the reciprocal license. I have not gotten to yet, but I will work on that part with other towns and that was for short term. And that is Rob, Mara, and Sue that I have to get in touch with. Yeah, and I think the thing, the ice cream truck is where you would see more of that. I think, I mean, the other thing with ice cream trucks is they tend to, which is different than food trucks is they tend to intentionally travel throughout the town, which is different than I'm going to sort of set up this for a short period of time, but it's more one location for the day type of thing. Right. And so because of that mobility of ice cream trucks, it's probably, that's an area where a shared license or a common database of licensees or something like that with a few other towns could be helpful. Although the cases of food trucks, it could be very interesting to do sort of food trucks that way too. I mean, the sort of more classic thing where they talk about here with meals being served, it could be considered pro-business if you had a common license that could be shared across multiple communities. So I mean, there's plus, minus there, I think the business improvement district and chambers of commerce around the area might have, they're resistant to these folks to begin with, and I think they'd be more so if you gave them an even easier way to operate multiple towns. So kind of a tough call. Well, interesting concept to explore with, just the mechanics of the license and a system with Rob Mora and Sue relatively. Right, right. Okay. Steve, do you see anything else to jump out at you? Do we cover everything that you've changed? I think so. The only, we did kind of touch upon the question of the locations and I think one of the tougher problems if we ever did kind of get this kind of thing taking off is the question of who gets what location. Yeah. Because people kind of, in the old system, you could apply for as many of them as you want and just kind of go wherever you want. And we only really have one and he's got a pretty well-established spot he likes, but there's not really anything stopping somebody new from applying for that spot as well and showing up five minutes before he does and going in the same location. Right, right. But then if you let people reserve them, then on the other hand, he might be on vacation for a week and nobody else can legally use that spot. Right, right. Yeah, so I was trying to debating with myself whether we should, I should keep what I do business as kind of a lottery process, but then they can't, if they get one spot and they don't have the ability to move around freely as they did earlier. And I think as long as we only have one lunch card, even maybe it's something that we just don't deal with until we have to. If you don't know what, I don't know. I don't think we should sweat it too much. It feels like if we really go down that route, we're just kind of over-engineering something that may never come up. And then, yeah, it might just over-engineer and then we get some lunch cards in and we realize immediately, oh, now seeing how people want to do it, it could be a lot of work for nothing. I agree with that. But I think it's worth thinking about a little bit. I don't necessarily put regulation. I think the idea of reservation system might be decent, which then you have to think about what time horizon do you want? Who's gonna manage that for, it's like they had to call Steve every week and reserve for next week. And so it gets, there's some real workload issues that come up with something like that. Right. But I think kind of continuing to sort of think through options around it are worthwhile. I agree. We don't need to put anything in at the moment and then we'll see how things play out. Okay, great. So I've got a few things to put back in the lunch cart regulations and then check out ice cream trucks and reciprocal licenses with Sue and Rob. And then I will have another draft for next time. Yeah, I will be happy to be in those conversations with Sue and Rob, Mary. Oh, super. Okay, let me email them. And I don't know, I'm actually leaving for a while next Tuesday. So maybe. I know Rob's gonna be out until at least next Tuesday. Oh, he is? Okay. Susan, I've spoken to her before. She hasn't believed, there's any reciprocal provisions. Okay. Oh, I have heard other food vendors who say there is in other towns. So we may wanna start reaching out to other towns that actually- Looking for other towns. Yeah, see what they think because, yeah, Susan's the most familiar with the food code and maybe other towns have different interpretations but our interpretation is there's, you have to get licensed in each town, so. Okay. All right, let's start with that. So maybe that conversation with them won't happen until early August, sometimes, Steve. Yeah. Okay, all right. Good. Well, if there's nothing else. I just have one question. And I'm hoping Steve has had this. I believe that the rules that allow us to meet remotely have been extended. Oh, really? I think so. And I think what it allows for is hybrid type meetings but I maybe have misread that or misunderstood the circumstance. Maybe it was just wishful thinking. But I wanna say literally the last couple of days that maybe the state came back out and extended until and I think one of the questions that came up was whether it was through December of 22 or December of 23, which would be half. But I don't know if there was, they allow for remote or they allow for hybrid and they encourage in person, I just don't know. And I didn't know if anyone knew and Steve, whether you knew because technically the other allowance for this ends like next Tuesday or Wednesday or something. Yeah. And I think it's been extended but I don't know what slight tweaks they might have made to it. Yeah, so I haven't heard anything but the town manager's office was watching this issue very closely and they were giving pretty regular updates last year and earlier this year when that was kind of on the fence. So I do have full confidence they're watching that. I mean, almost every board and committee is still online, fully online at this point. I think the town council is the only one that's not at this point in their hybrid. So I don't know what the situation is now but I do feel quite confident that the town manager's office will keep us in the loop and I don't think we will ever come up on a situation where we unexpectedly have to move in person. But I can send an email and try to check in if they've heard anything because I didn't hear there was any news on that. Yeah, I think there was and I just, whatever it was, I didn't have a chance to sort of read it closely or squirt closely but I know that one of the questions someone posed was like, wait, this is 2023, is that right? And so anyway, so I think there has been some motion or movement on that with the legislature or government office so much or which would be great because that may or may not impact our meeting later this month, I don't think it technically will. And regardless of that, just speaking of remote meetings the town does have policy on remote meetings. Not video remote meetings, but worst case, you have to have a quorum and the town regulations on remote meetings or the town policy on remote meetings was, I think a quorum had to be physically present at the meeting, but a member could participate. He had to have, it was a phone connection. I think this came up for us early on when we had, shoot, I'm forgetting the gentleman's name was a commissioner and he needed to do a couple of meetings remotely. Cause he was- Oh, Paul, Paul, yeah. So we, I mean, we've done it that way, you know, we had to, but anyway, I just bring it up as a point that may create some change for us, but I'll think so, but I do know it got extended. So I think there's availability of remote is still there. Okay. I'm just not sure if it's modified in some way that changes how we might operate. Yeah, I will, I will get touch the town manager's office and try to figure out if there's any movement on that. Okay, great. Thanks, Steve. So guidelines, regulations for liquor license decisions. Hallie is not here. So we'll move that one to the 28th. Um, topic's not reasonably anticipated 48 hours prior to the meeting. I think Steve sent around an email I got from Mandy Johanicki about some legislation that the town council wants to take up, but she said it wouldn't, there's some regulations they want to move the, basically I want to move, did everybody get that? They want to move the fees that are in the- I don't think that was in the packet, but I did forward it. Yeah. Oh, okay. It's not in the packet, right? So this will come up, this is not a rush because they're not going to deal with it until September. They want to take, there are some fees which are in the bylaws and they want to get rid of them and just delegate the authority to, so it'll just say fees determined by board of license commissioners or something like that. So we will put, at some point, we'll put that on the agenda and it looks like pretty straightforward legislation where they're just redlining a couple of the, yeah, $100 for this and that. So, but we can, we don't have to talk about that until later. I can just say I stumbled across those when I was looking for the other. I don't recall them off the top of my head what they are, but they're truly fees that should be not in the bylaws. Right, yeah. You got to pass a bylaw or change the bylaw to change the fee. Right. And they're just three and they're identified one, two, three. The ones I saw, I only saw three, but they may have others. Right. So, it'll be a really straightforward thing. Right, yeah. We're just cleaning them up. So, we'll talk, so that's coming at some point. What else? Is there a, are there any minutes? No minutes, unfortunately. Okay. Now, let's see. We're using my agenda for some reason. And do we have, what else is on there? Is that, we're coming to the end. That's it? That's it. Oh, do we have a time, a date and time? We have the 28th at five o'clock at which we'll have a completely different meeting because Gaston and Halle will be here and Dylan may not be. But anyway, so I hope you have good travels and we'll just adjourn. Is there anything else? Anybody else? I'll move to adjourn. Okay. Is, thank you, Doug. Is there a second? I'll second it. All right. Thanks Dylan. Let's take a vote. Dylan. Hi. Doug. Hi. And I vote aye. And that is three to zero of one absent. We are adjourned at 548 PM. All right. We'll have a good trip. Thanks so much. Thank you. We'll see you. See you when you're back. Bye bye. Thank you all. Thanks a lot, Steve. Thanks. Bye.