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Oh, nothing, man, just out here hitting and being the corners out here all week. Been having a wonderful time, Texas been showing me a lot of love, and we're going to top it off tonight, man, and put this shit on fire tonight. Hey, man, so hey, man, what I wanted to do, man, just have some questions. You know, being that, you know, you out of the California area, OG Percy is in here, man. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, man. Hey, man, this man out of the Fort Worth area. That is the great state of Texas. Callie coming in the building. And I just wanted to try to, you know, just have a discussion, man. I always wanted to know how those worlds, you know, pretty much, I know Percy. Percy is known, man, on that internet, and Melvin, you known on that internet, and have you guys ever met? No, sir. Never met before? No, sir. Wow, first time. Man, you know what? Good feeling. But you, I know y'all heard each other. Yeah, sir. We would have compensated over the phone prior to when Charleston was in, where the California back in the day, Jody and all of them, I had sent Bob and Lou down here when he had first came back. So I think we had chatted before, but I know I've always heard this name. His name, yeah. Yeah, it's always brought up. No, man, so, you know, like I say, and I asked this question with a different group of people, but California, I had California, Texas in here, and I always be asked, thinking in my mind, like to be, and Melvin, you know, from, from a long time ago, with being a Crip, from being in California, and then someone being affiliated with Crip in Texas, how does, I mean, does that even, does that merit the respect? Or do they even, do they, because my cousins from LA, and when they would come down, it wasn't really a thing to wear. They was like, they come down, I take them to Shreveport. They had like, hey man, you know, they solidified, and what we doing, what, and the whatever. So how do you look at that? Well, before we had expanded, when it was just East Side and West Side Compton, before they had even left, let alone the city from the zip codes, it went through expansion, particularly when the drug came out, drug game came out about 77, and they started floating. But I've always looked it like this. We don't die, we multiply. Wow. So when we started, that's when that sand started, and as you see today, the grids from my area, the original, from our attitude, where you sign up for this, it wasn't a lot of ways you can get into it now. So I've always respected Crips or Bloods or somebody that's from this culture, and a lot of guys would tell you when they asked me something, I'd say, let them pick their bones. And so it's all a level playing field for me. I don't look at it as one's a leader or nothing when I come. I check in with these men just as you would a home when you have a right to expectation. You don't come and knock at somebody's house unexpectedly. So as far as me personally, I give everybody the same respect because I'm a seed. They are the roots of it. And so I look at them all. One big total family, you got to remember, I came in when we were united. Most of them come in where they come in, divided Cripp on Cripp, Blood on Blood. That's a different language to me. Okay. An OG person being when you see somebody from the California area, how do you look at them as far as the representation of what you guys represent in Texas? Let me see, let me see. They are right with me. I'm saying that to say I've never looked at a Cripp from California. Okay. Yeah, that part. So you never met? No. Never met. Never seen one. Never shook hand. But today. You got to say yeah. That's what it's all about. With a real one. With a real one. On top of that man. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So tell me. I remember I had asked you on the show before how did you end up dealing with just the Cripp side? You said it was because everybody around you was blood. That's right. You didn't want to deal. You wanted to be different. Yeah, always. Always. What made that stick out in you to be different in a time where everybody else would have pretty much folded? Because the guys, you know, you grow up with these cats. Okay. And then all of a sudden you see them with a blue rag on them. Well, you already know he ain't built like that. He ain't built like that. He ain't built like that. He ain't built like that. They ain't built like that. They ain't built like that. I don't want to beat him. And that's how you did that. I felt like I was tougher than them anyway. And I felt like if you were going gang bang, it ain't no fun to be in the hood with the same gang. I want to live dangerous. I was on it for real. So you want to become the opponent? Yes, sir. So that's the difference in a way like you guys started. When you guys started, there was a different time, a different area. You talking about 70s? No, no, no. Look how he came in. Okay. Same way I came in. We come to you. It's a talent. So it wasn't no easy role. I promise you every opponent back then were worthy opponents that you can speak about. We talked about Raymond Washington, Turkey, Lil James, Compton, Barefoot, Pookie, Michael, Conception. I can name them all day long. Just all day for the 50 years that I've been around. But like I say at the beginning, when we came in, it was nothing but your face was your idea and your pistol was your passport. So that's how everything was to encounter. Because at that time in our days, you couldn't tell this before colors. You couldn't tell from blood, because that wasn't even thought about. In fact, it wasn't even those sets. H860s, just when it was West Side and East Side Compton. So it wasn't just like we were dominant. No, that wasn't the case. Everybody from the early 70s were everywhere respecting and about that business. Yeah. And so when you think about those times versus today's time and how it's expanded, is it something that you would have thought would have happened? Like the way that it spread it? No. Because it spread across the world. It didn't just spread from state to state. No. Well, as far as me and others, we never thought about it expanding or going into what it is now. We were just young kids. We didn't know where we was lost, not misguided, because there was nobody telling us what to do. See, we didn't have. Contrary to what people think, Raymond and them, they had army and this and that. No, they were the faces of the Crips, but they were 18. We 14, 15-year-old juveniles before they even had this type of situation where we was getting two or three years for homicide. Carl Jackin was called GTA, get caught with a gun and give it back. So a lot of the things, most of the guys from my ever from 71 to 75 from 14 to 18, we either got 25 or better arrests in a four-year period or either they got a murder conviction or either if they still alive a day they have over 25, 30 years in prison. Two of those three they usually have before they would say 18. So we had a free wing. It was the Wild Wild West. But it was honorable when people getting involved that wasn't involved and signed up for it. So a lot of innocent people getting hurt as it is now where anybody because of the area you stay in it could be detrimental. Wow. And you mentioned prison along the way. I know that when you're incarcerated that becomes a deal as well where there's members of Crips, different Muslim faith, all these different sectional groups and it's a different it's like a different structure when you inside of the walls than it is when you outside. Actually, it would almost seem as if it's more like it's more togetherness when you're inside. What do you think about that? You had no choice but to be together when you're inside. You understand me? Get out of me ever, man. Now I got to get the star stud out of my head. It's all good, man. Get the meter, man. That's Cali, man. Good spirits can fit. But anyway, man, it's a difference when you outside of that world you can run from hood to hood. See, that's what them youngsters know. When they get on this gang, I don't gang bang. I don't gang claim and I don't got nothing to do with a gang. I got one gang, I'm in God's gang now. That's my gang. That's my only gang, one on one. We know that now, but back then I'm gonna stick to the topic. But back then, you know, they get in these gangs and it's time to go to reap the benefits of what the gang has for you, which is the penitentiary of the grave. When it's time to reap the one thing that you know when you in the streets I can hit you and run over and hide in his hood. Hit him, run over and hide in his hood. Hit him, go hide in hood hood. But when you go to the penitentiary there ain't no hiding. Ain't no hiding place. You run into them all now. It's time to reap the benefits. You know what I'm saying? Ain't no togetherness. You go to the penitentiary and find out them niggas are none. This is ruthless. This is the ones in the streets. But there ain't no out of it. Ain't no walking away, ain't no... Nah, you can get jumped at. Niggas are mad shit. Some of them crypts are none. How do you do that? Them niggas be hoes. They come in there and they knock the niggas they in the streets. They knock their crypt in the street when they is behind them bars. You can do a lot of that. Ain't no pistols in the penitentiary. I got a major announcement to make but I'll wait to break that later. Mm-hmm. Now, let me... Go ahead. A little bit about California prison system. Y'all read my book, The New Slave Ship does not sell that deal with this new industry called prison. But when we first went to prison, there was no crypts. There were very few because most of us were juveniles at the time in 71, 14, 15, 16, 17. So when we got to age to where we can be sent to prison, everybody also need to know that California is the only prison state that has no segregation. They segregated. When I was in Georgia prison, I don't have Latino, facilities, whites, but California is the only state in the United States that segregates and this is why. Most people don't know the difference between a street gang and a prison gang. Like you say, you don't go in there with a pistol. We call it you check your guns in at the county. So now you're coming up close. You got to come up close. But what happened when we first started going to prison? Here it is. These guys, you got the right after George Jackson, the Solidair brothers, Fleety Gromgrove, Hugo Patnell, rest in peace who got killed and slain and fulsome after 50 years in solitary confinement into his daughter, Allegra, my own girl. But anyway, so now when we got to prison, now you got the BGF, Black Arilla family, you got the Black Panthers, you got the ABs and Brotherhood, you got the Mexican mafia, you got the northern familiar, you got the Muslims, you got the police and then later on you start breaking it into CCOs, Crips under Constitution, Blue Notes took in them, vanguards, black coats, BN, that's in New York, Peabody and all them that started that. So when you're in prison, it's a difference. Believe it or not, in California it turns into racial. It turns into racial. You got the blacks eating one section, Mexicans over here, when they was filming America and Me and Palm Hall they was giving us two packs of cigarettes to set out when James was in prison in there. So in California in prisons they're very violent. In Texas too, that's why I let them go because they got to Texas. You know how they got to go. We got Supreme here, y'all, just want to make that announcement. What's happening Supreme? You're on this August panel now. For sure I'm on it, it's a pleasure. And the thing, I don't want you to hold back on the questions that we have for these brothers because there's a lot of things. And I got Mayhem, I'm going to be pulling him too. I think it makes for good conversation. I think it makes for education. It also shows unification. And at the same time it shows growth. That we would still be here after all these years and still be able to have lived and to talk about it because a lot of people didn't. So I just like the fact that you brothers came over to spend time and conversate with us and make history. Yeah, this is history right here. Yeah, I like it, man. I got a lot of good guys in here today. So I like this one here. But definitely, Mayhem, when you look at the Texas prison system that all of them prison, we incarcerated, we locked up different rules somewhat, but same situation. He says something to really, it's only three gangs in the penitentiary. Three. But it's white, black and brown. That's it. It's only three gangs in the penitentiary. I tell people when I got in the penitentiary I was a black man before I was a Crip. That's what we need to get back to. I was a black man before I was a Crip. I didn't went to the penitentiary now. I didn't went to jail system. Matter of fact, I did time right here in this city, Dawson. Shout them boys on Dawson, shut down now. I did time on Dawson unit down and Hutchison down here. They don't respect the game no more. The game didn't change. They protect them now. They got a thing on the wall with a sack in his hand and on the top of that sack he says, extortion. You will be handed, they babysit them now. They put that TD in their mouth and they cry. They lock everybody up if he say, hit me. Everybody going to jail. Everybody going to lock up the day. Texas prison is black, white and brown. I was in the penitentiary down here in Dawson one time. I went to visitation and I came back. Tells from a Crip and I came back. I came back from visitation. My cell was sitting on the bunk and he was beat up and I was looking and I was like, God damn, what happened to him? He had blood. He had blood. He was told down but he was my cell. I was like, what happened to my cell? The messians over there jumped on him. Left around. See, I knew how to separate a black man from a Crip. He was a blood but he was beat up and I asked him what happened. He said three messians jumped on him over. They jumped on him. I threw Crip out the window at that time. That's a black man. So what everybody do while they was jumping? Well, you know, that's a blood. That's Dawson's business. So they forgot that they was black before there was anything. You did what I'm saying? So y'all sitting there three messians jumped on a nigga. That was y'all telling me. Well, that night, this goes down and this goes down in Dawson's downtown Dallas history. That night, when I see him out of the problem beat up, he was a blood. I told all the messians, y'all three of them wanted to jump on him. We going out to wreck tonight. We going to show y'all what it feels like to get jumped on. And so they say, no, no, no, my friend, you have nothing to do with that. We can jump on y'all in here. We can go to wreck. So everybody say, we're going to go to wreck and we're going to run the messians down through there. Well, you know the messians ain't going to let you jump on their people. So however y'all want to do this, that night, O.G. Percy was arrested for inciting the biggest riot in downtown Dawson. Wow. We had like 175 when they walked in there, they were slipping on blood on that gym floor. They were skating on blood. We were mopping them up. It jumped off. I told that sad, I said, man, we want to look at your partners. And he said, you know, we can't do that. You know, we can't do that. Well, there ain't nothing else to talk about. If we can't get them one-on-one, but I guess when I looked in the gym to say it to anybody, you know, like you were saying something that you mentioned, when you on call, you on call. See a lot of these youngster, they getting them eyes come out. You know what I'm saying? They don't want to play no more. Yeah. And they got to use their hands they don't want to play no more. When they can't hit you a mile away, they don't want to play no more. You did what I'm saying? And that's how they go. I get it. When they can't hit you a mile away, they don't want to play. They don't want to hit you straight up. They don't want to, like he said, get in arms reach, but to make a long story short, that night on Dawson, we set out for Big Ride down there. And it wasn't it ended up being Crips. They labeled it Crips on Thongo Blast, you know, on the essays. But it wasn't about that. It was just black on brown. Wow. That was the battle. Let me ask you something, Melvin. Were you ever locked up with a turkey? Did y'all ever do time together? Mm-hmm. Right before Turkey, now I'm old enough to go to jail with him. Yeah, yeah. I was an adult already at 18. So now I'm going to prison. But when he got arrested in 79, February, I was getting out of Halfway House from doing two years for a jewelry store robbery. So I'm going over there to holler at him. In fact, I got a picture. He was really on the porch. I just didn't take no picture. So I tell Turkey, man, you know this house you stand at, they got something going on where they say telling. I say, I don't... Because they wanted me to jump the fence. He backed in the back lifting weights had on some overalls, curling him and my other homie at that time, Blackie Alfred Cowan, which ended up being this co-defendant and my other boy Bam. And a toad took man. I'm not jumping that gate, man. I think this dude telling because in our era, we ain't know nothing about no snitch. And so then later on took, went to jail in February and I was with Raymond Washington a day or two before he got slain. So 79 was a pivotal year. Took him, went to jail. Raymond Washington got killed. And then I went to for a jewelry store robbery February where they arrest me. That's when we were in jail. So we going to the same court out in Palace birdies because you'll get busted in the city but you end up going damn near the Beverly Hills. Might as well call it Gilligan Island. Ain't no blacks down there. So we was going to court here being the Cajun back then. Took he was so big he couldn't put handcuffs on his back so they had a chain that they wrapped like a slave chain. No, I used to witness this when we were wearing shirts, blue shirts and they give you Levi's before they start turning into jumpsuits and stuff. So yeah, I was in jail and we used to pass notes or I might be going to jail in Santa Monica and I was going to court with the Mendes brothers that's Kyle and Lyman Mendes. They owned their furrow for killing their family up with financial gains. And it's amazing. No, they didn't even get the death penalty. They got an airwarp life without. And this is for those death printed proponents. Kyle and Lyman Mendes killed their family with financial gains and that's put them in the category to get the death penalty but they didn't. Took he did the same crime where they both could have got the same time but one got life, the white guy and took he got executed. So let's remember that when we go to Boyson and talk about the death penalty but back to the thing, yeah, we would send he stayed in a high power at that time about four years. I was in there with him. Wow. Yeah, I always thought about that. What you got for us today, Supreme? So it's been just a slight little rift between Texas and Cali when it comes to catch like yourself. So to have y'all here is very important for both coasts. And I want to ask y'all what do y'all feel like we could do having you two guys out here healthy, you know what I'm saying and willing to speak and help. What do y'all feel as we can start to make this unification a glorification? Well, as for me I feel anything that you're trying to do it's just got to be solution based but also the first part in coming to any type of situation is to create dialogue and that's what's going on now here. But also more importantly with this age of social media and so many ways to come out to get information out audio, video, or print it's good that we have a platform such as boss talking these other ones when they're giving out positive information as opposed to other type of information that adversely affect our community as far as myself I don't look at it I'm past the stages of getting and paving the streets my mission is bigger than being internet troll I want to give back to the community he paid his dues, a lot of us we know what we did to hurt the community we know what we've done to help the community but so many times people that had a boost to the ground when the camera is not around, their voices aren't heard so now this bit my boy I got love for him to help just like you and we just trying to show people it's another way of life and that God has a plan for all of us I don't look to man no more because man will take your life but God can give you a new life so that's how I get out on that but more importantly it ain't just about me when I come here I come here as a credible messenger representative of my community where I deal with restorative justice and it's real really finding the community so as me as being a messenger it's my job to just try to match up to where a lot of times when you're in the frame you really don't see the picture so I see the picture because I'm not in that frame but I've lived that life so it's an honor and a privilege to be here and I don't look up you know I don't like to be called OG because it's always a week it ain't about that it's always been about me a week where I try to stay honest and stay fair and just stay true to the game man but also stay in my lane so would you got a person to answer that question man I feel like it's a must see a must see for 2022 it's a must see and I'm like him I'll keep banging on that TV banging on the TV and banging on the TV until they get the picture I got something else for y'all two man uh you know I'm going to go there boss talk 101 is the platform where it goes down where we ask the questions that can change lives and make a difference so both of you brothers man are well familiar with brother Charleston and y'all had y'all you know there's no beef but y'all had y'all corals on the internet with brother Charleston and this is not a bashing statement because I love Charleston you know what I'm saying we used to talk frequently and I saw Pershing do a live recently where he was you know what I'm saying letting people know well first I saw Charleston say there's no problem with OG Pershing then I see Pershing have a captivating live last night and you know what I'm saying put things in perspective and I spoke with you brother Melvin I know that deep down there's really no there's no issue you know what I'm saying so would y'all want to speak on or anything with that far as uh yeah uh to answer your question exactly like you said this is a must see this is a must see this is a must see because this right here um is unity yeah that's right something that was tore apart the last time this gentleman came yeah come on it's a must see um as far as people coming back together it's a must see that somebody can get along it's a must see that Charleston can see that he could become the person that he really is see I fuck I mess with Charleston mm-hmm yeah Charleston you know what I'm saying if it wasn't if it wasn't no Charleston wouldn't be no me if it wasn't no me wouldn't be no Charleston we been the hottest thing going back I'm the only they can go blow the blow toe to toe with with this mic you dig what I'm saying verbal assassin like like like big Melvin but you know but but I just take my energy goes this way so don't go that way you know he got a role to play yesterday I did a live on Charleston yes I did shout out to what shout out to the white boy uh I did it on eyeball now I talk to eyeball you know I don't fuck with eyeball you know you fuck with eyeball I don't fuck with eyeball but I fuck with Charleston and if y'all do know Charleston is eyeball that's what I call it that's yeah y'all catch that in a minute but um far as Charleston being a person I you know um I can't apologize for nothing he had to be a old man standing on his own two feet when it come down to Melvin you did what I'm saying they got they I don't know what but I know Melvin is I watch Melvin in that interview as a matter of fact I turn around and y'all know I don't say nothing to Charleston but when I've seen the interview with Charleston and Melvin and the other guy that was sitting over there I felt like something had to be said you know I threw a blow you know which I was wrong I shot at him I swung at Charleston and blow at him you know what I'm saying because this is a must-see people need to see that it shouldn't be no that blog after that blog that rapper after that rapper that nigga after that nigga because there's always people always complaining about niggas always talking about killing niggas killing niggas killing niggas someone's a cop kill one everybody looking crazy but it's not right for us to kill each other you know what I'm saying this is a must-see I wish Melvin you know I'm pretty pretty dude you know what I'm saying because long as we talking about getting along I'm gonna be real anything else I'm out of here that's my platform I'm here to build not destroy 100 yeah as far as me and Charleston I don't wish no man no ill will I understand this entertainment it's like this with me you got newspapers where you got certain sections to sports you got the crossword the comics and everybody don't read the same section and that's how I look at it that's why I don't look at social media so at the end of the day people need to understand I put Charleston right I managed Charleston right from the beginning when he came to California I got him on the show so I can name I got a lot of videos in fact I was out here in February where we did a special then we was going to do another one I let him host a lot of Hellset Lionzo and all that but at the end of the day I am who I am and you're going to put some respect on that that's period it ain't nothing personal it's just business now also I'm a civil rights activist where I can make shit get national global and I find a civil rights violation so I don't do no verbal gymnastics nor do I do no 8-off twitter shit on the internet talk I'm going to come and hurt you I'm the verbal assassin in this game but I'm going to hit you where it hurt so with Charleston white I know Charleston white probably better than anybody outside of these brothers so they look at it well he's still around Charleston and he's fighting this and that let me clarify how this game goes this man no Charleston white and probably grew up and knew his mama and sister brother and everybody else and let's go for the nation over this time period of this culture over 50 years because of the segregation recreated by our own and the franchise that's the killing of one own brother and sister or either by friendly fire gang members or whoever do it and it was an accident so at the end of the day I always say it's easy to kill a stranger it's very easy to kill a stranger and that's what happens out these streets a lot of guys don't know each other but back to Charleston white I have concerns with his presence when it comes to being around children I'm a board member on youth mix martial art with Cynthia Big U's and his other cousins as well as other champions but our job is to identify people that could be a threat to children because the athletes are children 6 to 18 and it's Charleston white to say I'll do fact checks on what they say see we're doing fact checks because a lot of people he's not a builder he's trying to build itself so somebody got to step in between I could step to him like I say he know I've been here all week I got till 7 o'clock sundown tomorrow and he can step to the mic and let's see because I heard him say he got characters that's who he is the character I know that's a character those are clowns but then you got characteristics that's what he's saying so now let's look at Charleston a man that admitted talk about him or me when we talk about our past but when he talks about his past he talks about raping a woman but y'all accept that I don't so I don't talk about it we gonna be about it we also know Charleston white was bragging about going to Memphis to a school where he all of a sudden admitted oh I ain't gonna mention the school but that didn't get past my ear I'm gonna know why he didn't and it's a reason why cause he wouldn't have been allowed there so I'm putting everybody on notice if he's around the child where he's anywhere involved I'm gonna hold you responsible with something to happen that child now tomorrow we gonna have a show where Charleston threatened and was restrained from jumping on a 16 year old that's coming out tomorrow and since he liked to tell if we wanted to that's charges of assault and I don't think he's ready but I ain't gonna punish him like that maybe maybe not that's up to them but at the end of the day it ain't about Charleston right it's a moral issue here he got a man that has been on the internet out his own mouth again showing his penis my mom wanna be a palm star I show my penis we got that he called a child a faggot you know about it when you say I know about it here's the spiel I heard what had happened I wasn't there but I heard about it but at the end of the day I wasn't there so I can't just put my face on it but I gotta say this when Charleston cause he's been kids over here that he had brought over here that I told you before and when they got out of juvenile and he was teenagers and I wouldn't pick the teenager up cause I had one spoke at the juvenile to these kids so I definitely don't I don't regret doing it but I can say this and I will say this when he talked about raping a white girl he always clarified the fact that he was a young kid hold on hold on he was a young kid and he said after that I wouldn't give a damn if you said what's to hold it bro hold on bro hold your horses so if he's young enough he's saying they ran a train on the white girls I've heard you know how many people I ever heard said they raped somebody in my goddamn life and I've been around rapists from the hillside strangler to the USC rapists nah motherfucker let me help you out let me help you out let me throw me a live rap I'm just having the conversation let me throw him a live rap real quick watch this it's in people like IDNA institutional prison you don't even have to go to prison to be a real I know where he at when he talked like that you can feel the energy come out of in prison you better not even smell like you didn't rape somebody that don't go down you better not shit your name better not even come up on it you can't take that back it's like I heard you fuck the punk you can't get that back you did that hey this something's gonna stick but when you say things like that and you play with the cheers I got an injury to a child on my record from fighting the 16 when I was 17 the 17 was bigger than him and I was smaller than Charleston yeah but um just because big man has a black eye he was 16 and I was 17 I got Charleston as a adult one thing you can't play with this rape we don't play that that's unacceptable bro particularly no matter what's being around children I see what you're doing you can't play you can't be around children that's the bottom line I fuck with Charleston but he know Charleston I'm gonna tell you something about Charleston he'll tell you his self had out of said something like that he to ran to the moon with it you can't do that that's one thing you know mentally that you can't take out a real one when you say it so I'm not so because he said that he raped pretty much everything else is out to do you can't do that bro that's a lot he saying you actually took like that from somebody you can't do that that's a lot and if you do do it and be around somebody because he's not registered but if you would have been convicted of that you wouldn't have been allowed I got a partner doing a hundred years right now for not registering for that kind of shit but at the end of the day it ain't nothing personal you cannot if I work with use he would not pass the test to be around you just on his words and its mission so I'm not accusing him nothing I'm just going by what he say it ain't about Charleston white this is just where you look at the issue a man doing this a man admit that which you let him around your child may have I got may have more I want to I want to hear from may have now because he been listening to the conversation and he's real he's a real intelligent brother when it come down he actually understand prison talking 17 years in prison right there so may have when it come down to these the conversation like what input could you give me on what topic man first of all shout out to be of an OG person for being here and like I say having the desire to reach and understand understand and be everything and also your legacy man your legacy is solid shout out to Charleston white he is definitely promoted my book I had a great interview with him but like I say one thing that I tell people one thing about Charleston white I try to understand people and he's difficult to understand but I do know that he got a true desire to keep young people out of prison and with that I salute that way and when he's on that mission hey man that's my boy I got him you know what I'm saying but when he's doing what he got to do to get the views man I ain't what all that that's not how I was raised I was raised by some real crippling I was raised by a crippling environment in Texas from real crippling and like I say when I hear people talking about crippling uh man we got successful Crips and Dallas you know people talk about Crips and I hear about all this and I hear all these sad stories and this is you know and they was robbed and they was bad and it's all bad you know nobody talks about the drop tops and nobody talks about but we don't need to glorify that but what I'm saying is back in my day when I grew up man it was dangerous to say he was a Crip but let me ask you this I'm going to cut you out but Charleston uh spoke on when he was on with Artuna Marvin and Melvin about the characters of the man and what he you know tries to assassinate that character so um I had a my discrepancy with that was so Melvin escorted Charleston to Nipsey's funeral you did what I'm saying so the character you know you don't you don't you don't get to know Erumus unless you meet Nipsey first whether it's in person or whether it's you know what I'm saying through the internet or through the music so in order for you to feel like Erumus is a good person you got to bump into Nipsey first you did what I'm saying and his mama know Erumus his family you don't know that to say that this is a you know I fuck Nipsey excuse my friends but I'm with Erumus he's cool but if Nipsey was out here destroying and hurting then you are tied to your opinion that man was out here building a lot of a lot of different kind of ways you did what I'm saying so to try to take that from him just because his name is Nipsey Hussle and he's a Crip and you went to it with the gang members I didn't and I listened to a lot of people I watched Percy I watched Melvin I watched Charleston I'm studying all of this so as a student I had to call B.S. on that because that's not proper you can't say Nipsey fuck the character because he's a Crip he's a successful Crip like you was saying brother Mayhem so you know what I'm saying I didn't mean to cut you out but I had to when you spoken I had to get that out what do you feel about that Mayhem I don't want to see people are very comfortable using a lot of words right and I'm not here to talk about Charleston White or Crips but remember my underline token is I'm not even here to sell these books you know what I'm saying I'm a youth mentor right and my job is I'm here to really teach young men how to be young men right and so when it comes down to my overall objective is to teach a young man how to be responsible and that is what that means is how to be responsible be responsible what he's doing but also how to maintain his character right so now when I'm saying when I say maintain character we don't need to be making up definitions and this all you know you know in taking the word character out of context right the word character means the way other people perceive you right character is important because we have to maintain character that's why I said I grew up around a crippling character right and that was dangerous for me but it also saved me and but it was also somebody was out there that was available that was available to teach me and give me the game except his game was that you know that character was that and that character has character flaws but it is what it is but all one of those for us to correct it we first must acknowledge that we have these flaws we cannot fix something that we don't have right so when we sit here and we sit here we try to play mind games and say ear miss and nipsy man that's the same person that's the same person so and my thing is this so if the most important thing one of the most important things I ain't saying the most important thing but one of the most important things that I could teach any man is respect you know what the most important thing about respect is no disrespect disrespect the most important thing about respect is disrespect why do I say that as penitentiary we penitentiary man right and so what we learned real quick it doesn't matter if you respect me or not you ain't got to respect me you ain't got to acknowledge me along this as long as you just don't disrespect me that's where a problem comes a lie in it right a lot of people are very comfortable disrespect is saying disrespect for things but in our area that is deadly people die behind disrespect but but today people are comfortable because we come in the age of technology so I come up from an old school I came up in the 80s and 90s in Crippen and it's a totally different I did 17 calendar years behind living a real real real life and what I noticed difference between when I got out of prison to when I went into prison they got a thing nowadays and that is called high crime areas and what that means you cannot congregate like we used to do back in the neighborhood back in the day when I was out when I was 1314 we used to go outside and it was 15 to maybe 80 niggas outside bro everybody gang banging you can't do that no more you can't even you you you get 10 people outside the police showing up saying you cannot be out here this is high crime they would take you to jail but back in my days that's why gang banging was effective our gang banging wasn't a bunch of out of control embassies our gang banging was some very serious we had championship gang bang people around us shout out to my boy dark and sky blue and all the people who raised me but man y'all taught us how to not only he didn't teach us how to just put it in work they taught us about respect people's mothers don't talk about somebody's sisters maintained they taught you boy you learned what good person was by you know it was dangerous to be a Crip and also playing with the word Crip I hear people now yeah man yeah man boy my boy say man say you a Crip if you don't be a Crip back in the day that that was one of the first missions that I had back in my day when I was young and got started getting into the gang banging I was too young they wouldn't even let me be a Crip I had to join a little gang up underneath some Crips called BGP baby gang uh uh baby gang deposit one and after a couple years maybe we can graduate into a Crip which is what I end up doing but the first thing that I did as a baby gang deposit the little gang is we went and pacifically look for people who were pretending to be Crips the first I remember we were looking for some people called themselves North Dallas Crips we said ain't no such thing as North Dallas Crips bro if you ain't no rolling 30 school yard Crip five dudes Hoover you don't have a real set from California you better not be caught talking about using real Crip that was very dangerous man hey thank you thank you may have um that definitely was a good explanation um so did you get everything out of that you were trying to get out I wanted to hear what brother Melvin had to say about the character yes sir okay uh well as you know uh uh Charleston White went to uh Nipsey Hustle uh funeral through me mm-hmm uh in fact uh he got uh when Nipsey he was over there uh when me barefoot Pookie and Bobby Lou was talking right after Nipsey uh had got slain so he got to go there we went through the VIP he got to be around snoop gang Raymond Washington daughter because we broke up so I was up front up there with Sam and uh when the daughters and the family came out uh we was right there at the front I'm standing next to game and Charleston had went with uh uh Ray Shawna Washington and they left side of the crew peak in them I think and uh he got to experience all that he got them where in fact uh they took a liking to him left him over there everybody embraced Charleston White so but more importantly when it came to Nipsey Hustle or anybody that he talked to nobody he basically know personally whether it's Hermes or Nipsey Hustle he nailed down one of them I know either or yeah so when it come to a lot of guys whether it's celebrity uh friend family or foe I usually have a personal relationship where I know maybe they grandmama uh they uncle they sister or brother so I know quite a few people that are related to Nipsey Hustle I had love for him and when you in these streets these people know Nipsey Hustle yeah not ever because to them they one in the same person but they know them from an intermittent uh perspective so at the end of the day not just him it's a lot of guys that are icons that uh you got slim 400 uh a lot of things back door I'm privileged I can talk to whack 100 when I'm ready to I can talk to Charleston White when I get ready to I can talk to uh read you right uh I told them Marvin it pretty much anybody can engage any um uh on the internet so I'm behind the scene a lot but it goes back to at the end of the day you know when we really trying to get back to the community I'm not gonna hate on uh Charleston White I'm gonna leave that because I don't have uh I know him personally do you mean so I know he's done things for me yeah done it so I'm not gonna sit we all have a past that's with everybody that's on uh uh social media sometime uh it's just best to let things go and move forward because at the end of the day one common goal is unity in the community and uh at the end of the day we might take different roads and paths but we end up on the one common ground so yeah at the end of the day we are marching toward the same thing and we just have to get these use something to march too all of us therefore no that's the most important part and I and I can say that about when I seen the thing that Charleston has done not just here uh just recently with what everybody talking about but being like with the kids and basically uh putting shoes on the kids feeding the kids food that's what we we looked at those things too so yeah but everybody do have a page the guys are absolutely right but and people have to be held accountable for what the way they carry itself when they deal with a certain group of people I get it this social media is some different you know uh to say things just for uh it changes the message get distorted even when you when you mix a lot of you know what I'm saying real because he's absolutely intelligent for sure the the some of the immature things he might say for the for the clicks and the likes take away his message when somebody is really watching you they see the bull crap and they waiting for you to come with the message so you know I'm saying you got different audiences watching it so I just mixing that crowd up man it's not it's a it's not proper style to do that often as he as he does you didn't understand yeah well you know I I definitely understand and and my thing is from my perspective you meet people where they're at okay um everybody in here you're trying to help everybody right it ain't something to where you just cancel you know because we quit the council whoever but there's there there's changing evolution in everybody if they'll accept it for sure you know so I don't leave a person in one spot that's one thing I don't do and even if I see you if I see you're hurting I'm gonna try to figure out a way to help you you know um try to figure out a way for you to see the goodness in me so that you can change because people can change by looking at what you do and they can and they become better people so that's the way I approach a lot of situations you know what I mean but at the end of the day I definitely understand that people are definitely on these platforms on these blogs on these different instagram facebook, tiktok twitters, tags trying to get views these niggas is it's really like a lady of the night you know everything if I could just turn it on and and everybody will applaud me then I can be pretty much seen and known and everybody can see my value but there's something about respect as you guys did say that holds way more weight really in real life in real life if I see you in real life and me and you around each other you're gonna have to respect for me because you're not gonna you're not gonna do that with me in front of you as men as people that's been in prison where you ain't have no gun or as people in this room right now when you deal with different people it's a certain way a person act when they in the room with you versus not being I just say it like that yeah most definitely call them cell warriors know the cell warriors? no explain it it's a man in another cell that can't get to you okay lock him down you you you bitch his hoes mother fucker fuck your mama your daddy bitch suck my dick your sister dick your brother you everything fuck you nigga where's mom? in other words you're saying shit where you can't get to you when you can sit and be isolated and talk on your own you're gonna always be correct that's why we do fact checks can you tell them what happened when the doors roll let the gates be the bell you got damn right talk to me talk to me let the gates be the bell when that cell come on two men in a one-man league that's how that shit go that's the thing two men in a one-man league cell warriors so a lot of times you know but back at the end of the day you know I ain't really focusing on no Charleston white I'm focusing on creating a platform I have a program where we're gonna be educating an effective black parenting training with these four Christians ladies where in fact I got a zoom meeting tonight at eight o'clock so we're gonna start that a 60 day pilot we have a documentary coming out senseless gun violence world epidemic with IHT Tray D. Nair written freeway rig got credible messenger so it's a lot of things going on to where I just like to start getting in a little bit about what we also are trying to do as far as what Texas does to help the communities as opposed to just yapping at the mouth about something that's irrelevant. Correct that's the whole game for boss talk really is we want to bring people together and all walks of life you know what I mean trying to figure out ways to bridge gaps man trying to figure out ways to build bridges instead of walls between different individuals especially for all us man people that look like each other you know it's very uncommon for people to come together in any sort of fashion and let's say up to something that ain't worth nothing to even talk about so at the end of the day to have you brothers to come on on boss talk 101 just to sit down and have a round table that that's that's that's hey man that's epic for me you know what I mean so I appreciate you guys for coming I'm gonna let mayhem come we're gonna talk a little bit about the books I know Melvin wrote all kind of books about it so let's let's get into it man so what what when you and cuz you you basically mayhem been around me for a while now so you know and I appreciate you for coming on the panel today just a little bit about like when you think about California being that you was born in California and then being in Texas but still having California ties what do you think about when you look at the way that the you know the two cities you know kind of springboard off each other actually I mean Dallas I personally feel Dallas Texas is is LA you know we we develop always love California I mean so it forward we have been we have been California sister 80 since Ron C came out here Ron C came out from he was from Oakland and he moved from LA then he moves to Dallas he came out trendsetters and then you know and then like I say gang banging came hit Dallas in the late 80s and for worth was gang banging harder than harder than Dallas you know and and like I say he was just we had a lot of love and admiration for California for this to snoop dogs and just you know I guess Dallas had like a little pimp it was like pimping and gangsters back back back in those days so when Snoop dog came and then I guess we had that like I say Ron C was a big factor back in as I'm looking at it now 89 90 Ron C put it down yeah yeah I had I had Nino Cappuccino no not Nino Cappuccino I had him on I had Bobo I had Bobo on here and he talked about runcy and snake that's what it was he talked about those I remember I remember being in Fresno California and hearing munchies for your base I remember walking in Fresno California hearing Dallas music munchies for your base which is DJ sneak in Fresno in 86 87 so Dallas music and it's crazy that I would end up in Dallas listening to California music because I'm from California but I grew up in Albuquerque Colorado Dallas Louisiana and Memphis so I grew but I've always had a connection to California my oldest siblings grew up in California all my family gang banged all my family was crypto that's why when I went in to prison I was really I really grew up in Crip but when I went to prison I wrote my oldest brother I got 17 calendar years in prison my oldest brother got 20 for murder he a Crip I wrote him I was all excited to write him yeah bro yeah cuz cuz and I was writing my brother my brother wrote me back from California prison and he said nigga if you don't stop gang banging if you ever write me this he told me he did y'all ain't no real Crips y'all and this my brother he already had about 17 did I'm just an entering prison but he told me then don't gang bang y'all Cripping ain't Cripping y'all disrespecting us up here we do not respect what you're doing down there if you come down to Texas and you tell us you're a Crip they're gonna kill you stop saying that it depends on who you is you can carry yourself it don't matter who you are if you don't have I don't believe it it's not whether you believe it or not your brother knew who you was no this is my brother he know he loved me I just said that some people know that nigga you ain't been put on no work we're seeing you ain't no Crip nigga they don't tell you that see my thing is that when we say you can look at a Crip and tell a Crip when I'm talking about Crip we talking about real Crip we ain't talking about I'm from the neighborhood now we don't know what kind of Crip that is we talking about real Cripping in Dallas see when you got Crip niggas in Dallas you got niggas who really was initiated when I tell you I was Cripping in Dallas you had to go through some real stuff you just couldn't I think I'm gonna be a Crip today nigga he was gonna that was a problem you couldn't walk outside and say he was a Crip and not be a real Crip so how could your brother break down what your brother was saying I immediately stopped Cripping because I was in the county going to T.D.C. so he told me at a pinnacle point I was 18 years old I wasn't no average Crip dude I wasn't no regular Crip I was a big Crip I was so drunk so I wasn't no regular dude I ran people in the street I was embraced by Cripping I wasn't no when I had to gang bang I didn't have to gang bang you feel me it wasn't a I guess I got to do this I couldn't wait to get up and go outside and hang out with my brother this was my life so when he told me about listen bro this Cripping has did to you what it did to me I got murdered you 18 years old you got aggravated, robbery and attempted murder Cripping Cripping is I ain't got nothing to do with no Cripping no but listen see I don't know what your Cripping was about it wasn't about no killing and robbing Cripping is not about killing and robbing Cripping is about standing on principles and sometimes when you stand on principles you got to hurt people what you mean a big Crip a big Cripping a school you're all 30 I heard it are you questioning are you questioning I don't hear Cripping I'm commodity resolution in progress I'm no longer I'm not gang bang since I was 18 years old I say I'm commodity revolution in progress we grown men we grown men commodity revolution in progress I'm grown so I stopped gang banging 18 I'm 44 I get it I see where this guy is do you know what that mean I said I didn't say nothing about no mayhem community that's not a Crip that's not a Crip that's not a Crip that's not a Crip that's not a Crip I'm not a Cripping I'm not a Cripping that's not a debatable issue he did a lot of talking about Cripping don't do that there's a lot of people saying they did say that see I get around a big nigga like him a little young nigga believe him you what I just said I'm not trying to get nobody to be no Cripping I hope you're not that's good I'm glad you're not that's the point but you just talk I grew up Cripping I grew up Cripping when I'm 44 how old are you I'm 52 hom I'm 42 I don't care about you being a Crip or what you were hold up hold up it's not debatable we ain't got too much time it don't matter everybody want to be king I don't want to turn you down I want to get back to what I want to get back to show you why to the progress this is what happens when you're having a dialogue that's why I was going to wait till you through but it's good that you ask the age difference so your era of Cripping you're eight years older than him so when you come into the game at that yours might not be the same as his so both of y'all can be right and you're four worth I'm from Dallas at the end of the day but at the end of the day two different worlds y'all sick and I know everybody that you know I guarantee you know about 20 people that can tell you they love me that you know you know let's keep it going so on to the next here's the deal here's the deal when you look at the way neighborhood this is the perfect example of what I see when I look at different people who in different neighborhoods who doing different things who on different age brackets who on different levels this is something that happens a conversation between men that's on different walks of life and that's why I say I meet people where they at really to be honest with you because at the end of the day I am a man that been through a lot of stuff but I know already that what I've been through can calm the room down and say hey man I did this and I did that but at the end of the day but at the end of the day we all always moving bro evolution is something you not the same dude that you was when you was a young man and you was doing all the street running you ain't the same dude that was on mayhem over there by spring valley doing all the stuff that you was doing we are at a age now where we got young kids that's looking at us for an example of which way to go through these microphones but listen this hold on through these microphones but what he's saying is again I like what he's saying we need people who are qualified I put in work behind cripple so I'm qualified but he's like I need to know because we got too many people who talking about this who ain't did nothing but he's right I agree with him so that's why he's like man I need to know because I'm the same way but I already know his back story so I ain't got the question but I watch him but I don't know you but I guarantee you I just as a real where I come from I ain't trying to be no YouTube son I'm not a son I don't do this but I can't tell you the more you know about me you're going to be man this is this is the real of it hold up let me say this here too what I talked about we willfully crippling is not something that's forced it's going to be something we want to do we love this this is not a game to us this is something that you pretend to do crippling is an environment right and so when I tell people I grew up in a cripple environment means everybody who put me they when I was started crippling I was 12 and 13 which is the normal age of somebody who's supposed to be game banging you shouldn't be game banging when you 25 26 it should start when you young but the people when I came outside they were already game banging they were telling me off the muscle they told me you can't even be a crib you got to go you got to get tough first you got to learn what's up so I couldn't just run off and join the crib now I knew I had to respect them first I had to watch them I had to learn and then as I got older then I was able to walk the line and really get initiated to this real because when I was growing up this crippling was real crippling but as I grew up I grew out of that I grew out of that and as I and then as I got around other crib they told me look bro you got to get yourself right because now look where you are and me going to prison really had nothing to do with this crippling but what I did do what I did know is that no matter where I was at once you're introduced to that shit it's like hard to let it go it's hard to let crippling go it's hard and like I said but let me say there's a lot of times it's hard because of the lives that's the loss during the process of being a crib too a lot of times this is the main reason why it's hard to let it go because you're still stuck in that environment you're still stuck in the bottom that definitely it but the lives being lost definitely holds a toll you well you know when you really joined up and signed up for this shit lives being lost to you means something but when you signed up for this shit here that's the only way you really come in this game pulling that trigger wow getting in some triple that you couldn't go back and come into this game dressing up with braided hair and saggy pants and quit walking and doing shit and just claiming and you ain't got no you got more graduation pictures than a rest records this shit is backwards and I hate to say this but let me finish because I want to talk to OG Percy we all got you got murder cases all of my homeboys got two of them I'm one of the two of them when I look at OG Percy and I like to say I looked at that documentary and all the people that's in those boxes that you were talking about different people who died for different causes and things that pretty much you to be there making these speeches man does that have an effect on you in the way you live your life I'll put it like that the only way the only thing that has an effect on me the way I live my life shout it to took you man okay that's that's the effect on how I live my life and cribbing when I found out what it was really about when I found out what it was really about the black redemption part the blue rage you can had it I went through that I didn't been through the blue rage when I found out I am part of that book for my life story goes and to get to the end of the book and find out it is a pot of gold at the rainbow all you gotta do is try to keep watching keep going for it took you taught me that you taught me just through that book Bob I call it the crib Bob you can call what you want to but when I read it for the first time in prison I read it and that Bible that book I couldn't read I'm not a reader I told you I'm not good on reading but when I got in there took you but it was just something I better learn I'm gonna learn this book I learned about Buddha I learned about all I read that book I couldn't even read but I'm gonna read this one the first book I ever read to the end the first book I ever read all the way to the end but but I learned the thing was I learned what it meant I learned what it meant I got Crip wrote all over me my back my head my behind my face it's all over me I can't get it off but the thing I learned was what it meant when you get the meaning the black rage part when you get there I wouldn't I wouldn't spend a minute time about trying to convince you what I know about creeping I cut for you good man but but wasting 10 minutes with time by counting you can't convince me or nobody else you might convince somebody else I believe what you said it's the first time the reading is gonna say it once not twice you but anyway you're a good man it's took you wanted to end in a good way he didn't get this message that people didn't get the memo they won't let the youngsters get the memo they won't let the black man get the memo they won't let him pass it out to the youngsters now Melvin Melvin being a friend of took you right and and being that you guys started you know off young together or he was a little older than you but you started off understanding and walking and dealing with him to beat unseen this guy who's affected way in Texas and all like I said this and then just started it ain't just a Texas thing either it's each state you can go to Louisiana and find you can go to Mississippi and find it you can go to New Orleans and find it did you ever think that it would be that that effective for as pretty much pulling people into that situation when you guys started when this thing first started off I think we went through this earlier and I'm going to get the same answer I want to hear it because I just I didn't hear it all of these guys no we didn't think nothing about this we didn't we hadn't even had sex with our socks off at that time that long to be thinking about something like this going on you know it was three things going on late 70's late 60's early 70's so trying game banging and pop lock and all those three things are staples day across America from back then it's not nothing really to be proud of about this life and that's real talk because at the end of the day you're guilt by association you thank you the camaraderie when you're going up going back and forth to jail when you don't thank your ass away out before that that hole you're in silence your voice but then as you get older you see the look in your mother's eyes you see your family members to where you don't sing the wrinkles and you think about all the time you could have been with your mother instead of running around niggas and you know you can't play in a picture with canvas with one stroke so I've been privileged and blessed to see five generations because every ten years shit change in this game so I know where Texas is at in its 30 year 40 year history I know where New Jersey I can know about from previous experience when it come to that so at the end of the day man I don't put no titles on nothing as far as people I try to be unbiased urban analysts when I look at any situation and always try to be fair but I know this is a time now where we want to make these youth tax payers as opposed to tax burdens and you know this Crip and blood we're not a gang we're a brand now and we have to start letting the entertainment world Nike that make the hats the color of whatever sets you from when you're like the Texas Rangers hats that's one of the biggest hats selling in all of America because it represents the gangster crimes so you're talking about global and so we have to look at how they exploiting us to where we need to address them like when Jesse Jackson used to go back door for Coca Cola and discrimination and we need to have people such as us or people that are rooted in this community that have a vested interest in the community where we speak up to help eradicate some of these adverse conditions that exist and all they come with us with being unity in the community if we can't get that we segregate ourselves we've had Martin Luther King die gets brave we don't want from water holes to choke holes but nothing's changed but we can have to ask that some people have to stand up and do every other race get along together we don't we try because we isolate ourselves to where it's the crab over the bucket everybody trying to overstep when it's no big use and no eyes and this shit it ain't hard to do thank you so mayhem when you you say you was not at 18 you put the creeping down how did you do time separating yourself from the different groups of people one day at a time when I got in the prison when I got in the prison had a lot of niggas who was claiming to be Crips like he was saying I ain't locked seat with nobody I don't know who you is like you said who is you I don't know you you a Crip but you ain't did no work like me I don't know you like that you ain't did no drive bys you ain't robbed nobody you ain't did nothing to me so don't try to come up here and lock in Cleburne and Colleen, Texas and Jennifer County it was all type of black Panther gangster Crip one dude told me a black Panther gangster Crip I mean I was just so the more I got in prison and got around because everybody in prison was is not real everybody and I went to prison back in the night see this is like he was telling me it's a new prison now I went to prison and prison taught me one thing see another thing that I want to talk about too I didn't gang bang in prison I never had the game that's what that's what I was asking I was a man before anything else and I was in numerous race rides and I'm glad that I was in race rides like he was talking about because one thing about see and I came from in back in the 90s when prison was violent when I walked in the TDC they said you gonna fuck fight a bus of 60 the law told you that now no inmate the officer told you that then they say get into the day room I was 18 I was a powder pink nigga walking in there well they just cut my hair off they I look friendly than the mother and you know I told you I got a line and I had to introduce myself immediately and let them know this is who I am and that's why people like okay well that's why I didn't have to crib when I you know when you go in there fighting everybody embraces you everybody embraces you go in there punching the interface for disrespecting you like I like that nigga and I'm from the city I'm from the city everybody knew me I came in with the reputation I came in everywhere I went I already knew people on every unit I went on I knew somebody from the street and they were like they were like all right cool you know saying nobody questioning when people kind of liked it like he would under if I went around him person I say hey person what's up you like man I came bang with and you and I told person I say yeah Brian I'm doing my time I ain't game banging he gonna say I understand you a lot now I'm just saying you know I'm on you know you was on Ferguson you was on Cofield so I don't know Cofield Cofield I was on cofield I was on rescue unit I was on Ferguson I was on I was on the Smith unit what he talking about the biggest ride in state jail right I was on the biggest ride in TDC period with the on styles on on Smith unit with the on April 2000 with the with the essays right but one thing I loved about being in this I hated I hated being there but the wisdom and knowledge in this in that ride I seen niggas who we did not get along we come together yeah you feel me I seen black people who were Crips Bloods and everything they came together immediately for for the sake of all of us and I like I say this is in in prison you hear me so when when I seen that it let me know that despite what people say when black people are in compromising positions they do come together and they come together a lot of time they only come together in that situation when something goes bad when something goes bad in prison between like you say when somebody violates a racist don't matter what who you don't like as black people we unite quick let me ask you this guys because I got to ask this question before we end this how do we how do we help affect keeping our people our young black men because the majority of our people are in prison like when you go and look the black people overpopulate the prison so how do we try to help to stop them from going to prison I'll let you go first Mel well actually you got to look at the laws which are in prison and you have to also understand it depends on the demographics and where you at like for California I speak on California we have to get these youths because there's a lot of illegal immigrants over there we write on the border a lot of jobs are being taken up where they're being paid up on the table and they want you to be bilingual the school system is three areas that has to be addressed when it comes to inner cities whether it's Obama calls it pockets of poverty that's what he called inner cities across America or Trump might call it rat infested like he said but either way go there he was talking about communities such as where we at now so it's three areas I think that need to be addressed to unified school district that's where congregation and youth all the way up parks and recreation where niggas gather and hold a sorrage and then we got the juvenile justice system okay those three areas has to be addressed but also more importantly you have to go to your elected officials and those that are in power that getting the funding to make sure that funding is going to the proper resources to get what is directed to a lot of times we have these organizations particularly when you got city council members board of supervisors state elected officials they're controlling the funding that comes from the federal government so we have to know how this work but we also you can't go and get somebody to turn their guns in for no concert ticket either but they're turning them in for a gun or where they can feed or susceptible if you can feed them they willing to listen more so those are three areas of I think need to be tech at all levels from preschool up to the highest level and we have to start looking at these laws that are being voted on because we don't vote and power and voting so it's a lot of things but those are the three areas that I would address on from an inner city standpoint thank you OG person I got one I just yeah I want to ask you that same question I want to ask you in a way to where the area that you affect the people that you around because he's coming from a California standpoint you here in Texas and what he said really it revolves around government period but what would you do to help influence the youth and our people from going into those situations it's one thing I'm after one thing I'm after when they come down to the youth right now is the minds if I could change their lives the only way to change your life you got to change your mind that's the only way if we can get them to start thinking a different way send their minds somewhere else besides this right here this is going to kill them the biggest drug on the world that you won't even got to take everybody on it right now everybody on this drug right here is killing everybody this drug will get you killed this drug can get you money this drug will mess you off and this drug right here they give it to the kids too the kids got the same drug right here they walk around with it every day in their pocket you know what I'm saying this right here it's the mind changer whatever you look at it's what's on your mind the only way to get the youth back is to change their minds the only way to change your life you have to change your mind this is a bad drug if you need rehabilitation get them back down to digging gardens you know everything started off telephone and tell a Negro that's the quickest way I'm going to come to you mayhem how can we help to our youth our people from going into those conditions man I feel again one thing that I see that we need to do I want to be able to support and pay people like OG Percy Supreme I want to pay these guys overcompensate them hundreds of thousands of dollars a year use these guys as youth mentors to go back into the hood these guys are the perfect examples of who needs to go back ain't nobody better than one of us to go back in there we don't want nobody going back talking to these kids about something they don't know now we don't have to necessarily do everything but we want to be a facilitator I want to get these guys and pay them and so the world my job is why these guys are priceless we come out of prison and I tell people all the time man and one thing that I have a burning desire I know these guys we know why what we need to do and we know why we need to do it I ain't got to explain to these guys why they need to tell these kids why to stay out of prison if I can't talk to them he can if he can't talk to them he can but we don't have nobody who really will support these guys because they don't look at them and they're going to judge them by its past they're going to question this ability they're going to question this character but instead it says you need to back them you need to support them financially you need to enable these people because the kids really the behind closed doors this is who they look up to this is who they listen to and I tell people all the time what really makes you an OG when you have somebody following you and you already know people follow me I don't pay nobody to call me an OG I don't ask nobody to call me an OG they do that out of honor but they do that because they watch me and they see that and what I try to do is try to limit my talk and so by accident 50% of what I do is talk good the other 50% of what I do is back up what I say or at least do everything I can to do that you feel me so what I'm trying to do is to show everybody that I know that just because I've been in prison for 17 years doesn't mean that I can't maintain my composure it doesn't mean that I'm not qualified to get people and teach kids Saul who wrote the foundation Saul who wrote the Book of Acts in the Bible was a murderer Saul who wrote the Book of Acts is the foundation of Christianity if you want to learn how to be a Christian you cannot read the whole Bible you just need to read one book in the Bible it's called the Book of Acts the Book of Acts was wrote by a guy named Saul Saul was a murderer Saul was a murderer who wrote the Bible of what the foundation of how it is to be a Christian so when I ask people why do I want O.G. Percy and Melvin and all these guys to come out here and teach people how to become better people I ask Christians who told you how to be a Christian it's Saul I got it and that's good you talk about getting these guys taking them back to the inner city you talk about changing their mind which goes with that and then you talked about the over picture talking about to governors we talking to politicians people who deal with the laws and then some that's where the breeding grounds for gang activity starts juvenile where you go in the jail the schools when you go in the side you're old and the parks where you go to negotiate and hang out so those are the three main areas in the inner city where the gang in introduction the youths congregate you got every level but you got to remember this is in L.A. you talking about in Deaf alley where I grew up you talking about a 1.8 mile area which is the equivalent of Deaf row or the Bronx bombers you got the Rowland 60's you got Atrey gangsters you got the 9-olds you got the hundreds 30's you got the van there boys you got the 20's you got the 40's you got the 30's very rough line up so when they come down to the entertainment and I'm going to ask you this with the entertainment influencing things the way that they do how do you and I know you guys for a fact Melvin deal with a lot of entertainers I can't say that but I know you deal with some of the hip hopers too I've seen you on a few videos yeah you video guys how do we influence those guys to help to change the narrative of because a lot of that influences our culture you're not going to you're not going to get no help on that no that's out the question if you do you don't get no play how about that if you got anything education to help they not going to listen you don't hear what's on the radio money bitches cause close ain't no help ain't no helping that you better not say nothing to help them get a job you better not say nothing to educate him throw this shit out the window now they fly your CD they'll fly Tupac today they'll fly Tupac ass across the one and put in the stunner the conscious rapper you're right the conscious rap half counter what you mean half ain't no the rest of the development ain't nobody in here know the conscious rap is popping right now like coming he don't even got to hit on the radio right now he don't get no play I just thought about that they after but you don't get no play yo Miggie in there Memphis Tennessee that's a new guy South Memphis Memphis okay and I just ask that's a lot of influence too whether we want to you know adhere to it or not entertainment it feeds through these microphones and it feeds through these earphones just as well as people talking and them phones is pretty much you was talking about that's pretty much where they tap into a lot of different things you guys man like I say great job man I always enjoy sitting down at the round table with some men of you guys statue you know what I'm saying Auguste panelism calling it but man boss talk one on one is a thing man and I appreciate you guys for coming on here so when you come back to Texas man you ain't gonna just leave us and never come back nah I'll probably be back down about a month or something we get back to get continue to dialogue he ain't gonna come back what can I go to California that's it you gonna take the OG first we ain't coming back I'm trying to go over here you can't leave now bro we don't need you we need you here I just want to do this what jump in come on though man so man man we didn't talk about the book but man man got this book I always shout it out so what made you come up with this book one more time so people will know just give us a small spiel on it before we get out of here again like you say man I'm an ex convict man and I'm not trying to be an author I just try to keep young people out of prison and I accidentally know a lot of information so I wrote a write books on black histories this is about 27 black massacres that happened in America besides Tulsa, Oklahoma we mostly only know about one this is 27 black massacres that really happened in this country there's documented you can research it yourself you feel me but this is just one book in four I write about all black history but anyway you can check it out it's available on Amazon or my website which is mayhemdementor.com thank you so much man appreciate you guys man check it man my boy Supreme Money Moses everybody that came today man to see that people can't come together on a panel and we can talk sensibly and come back and you know and like I said I want to kind of do this I want to do stuff like this to where we can show people that we do connect and I think it helps what you think it does help we got to start off with a conversation right a conversation run a nation but understanding beat everything yeah yes sir so thank you guys man so much for coming on on the show okay it's been another great segment of boss 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