 Question for our audience is the PCP in crowdfunding jail I'm joined with best guy ever. Hello everyone to discuss Whether or not the PCP is in crowdfunding jail. I I'm very curious as to what our audience is gonna have to say about this, but we're basically gonna be presenting a case Based on an argument you and I were having all morning. Yes, we were yes And I really yeah Honestly what it comes down to is what the people out there think so we could argue all day But this is a much better idea to put it out there and let the people judge So for starters, what is your concern about the idea that we might be in crowdfunding jail? Okay now not to shit on anybody in particular, but so so here's the basic Concern that some of us have here and it's that so since the plebe and the weeb was you know It was a Digi and Jesse project of course obviously from the start But as time went along the rest of us got involved with it to to the degree of we were basically We were part of the Kickstarter, you know They were reward tiers added to to get us flown out and we each you know took the amount of money proportional to what it Costs for us to attend we didn't make any money on top of that and produced content regardless but we were there and We were involved and most of us we're on episodes of the plebe and the weeb and maybe people don't even know that I'm not really sure but we were involved on that front and eventually when the episodes come out the people will see that we were involved and The concern that we have is that so considering the fact that it's no secret that the plebe and the weeb is taken quite a while to be released and It's it's you know, it's been nine months beyond what was anticipated by People yes, like it would it would be fine if it just took a long time to come out If that was what had been established from the beginning of course But the sort of projected schedule was that it would take some six months or so to release the first season Mm-hmm, and it's taken some nine months or so to release one episode. That's right So that's right and from what we hear the next one's around the corner not too far But yeah, you know we're not really sure we're not really sure and so the concern that I and my PCP brothers have is we've been thinking about future possible Kickstarter projects, you know We've got a couple things kicking around red You know we've got we've got a couple of ideas for things we want to do for that and and other stuff and You know we were just mulling around the idea and then we thought like okay What if we made a Kickstarter and then you know it occurred to us that oh, you know now that we think about it the last Sort of PCP related Kickstarter has not really delivered what you know, it's not done it's you know, it hasn't been finished yet and So based on that we were like mmm Is it really do people really want to hear that the PCP boys are doing another? Kickstarter type thing or an Indiegogo or whatever the fuck before that's done and so and you and I had a Disagreement and there's a couple factors at play as to you know if that's true where the responsibility is it what what you know Different individual individuals members owe to the audience and what we can expect people to say yeah, so what do you think? What do you think? Well? I think the way to explore this is first of all is The believe in the weave Kickstarter a failed Kickstarter. Okay, if so to what extent and How to to what extent is that true for the PCP and how much responsibility does the PCP even have right? so the first thing is that If you look at it from the lens of the PCP's involvement in the plea been the weave I actually think it comes out Like startlingly great Because the plea been the weave was a Kickstarter like the idea of the Kickstarter was 10 episodes season 1 10 episodes season 2 of this show that is me and Jesse do a talk show about anime and and it's a jokey funny thing Jesse edits it and And post it and like the the real humor of it is basically Jesse's editing like right the actual content of the show is It's just like a pretty shitty review of a show Made funny in post editing But we wanted to have a rad con 2 Rad con one was just where all of us flew out to my house and We made a bunch of shit and just so happened that plebe in the weave was one of the things we made because it was an idea We'd had for years With rad con 2 it was sort of funded by the plebe in the weave, but we did not just use it for that We ended up using rad con 2 to produce ass loads of content very true That was completely not even related to the Kickstarter, but made possible by the Kickstarter mm-hmm, so I Think from the perspective of what did PCP fans get out of the plebe in the weave? They got a lot without even anticipating it, you know That's true They got shitload like hours and hours and hours of let's plays a lot of which haven't even come out yet Let several big lecture videos that have been some of the most popular content. We've ever made You know we got you wouldn't if not for the plebe in the weave Kickstarter You don't get the munchie lecture on parkour do 91. You don't get the kingdom hearts lecture You don't get Ben's a side of you lecture, of course That was from the first rad con. Oh was it? Oh fuck. Okay. Yeah, but but but from rad con 2 we get yours and munchies lectures We get the ape escape playthrough Those five hours long you get the handboy winter war etc. Amboy winter war the PCP wrestling and and then just all the weird shit like Jesse is digi That shit stuff people love mm-hmm So you also have all of the background content from from the Kickstarter if you were if you were a backer of it You got the all the videos of us watching the shows all the videos now. I realize at this point I'm starting to sound like I'm defending the lack of the Kickstarter the actual product. No, it's still a bad thing It's a very bad thing that the product is not out. However I'm thinking of this in terms of what it means for the PCP because the plebe in the lead is a me and Jesse project So are me and Jesse in Kickstarter jail? Definitely, okay. All right. There you have it folks Is Jesse super in Kickstarter jail? Absolutely. Well, I don't throw Jesse under the bus. I well, okay. I know it's it's editing project So I mean I'm it's my fault though the plea everything everything about the plebe in the lead Kickstarter is my fault Because I started it and I managed it true though I would argue that everyone is complicit who who you know shared in its in its warm glow There's look there's a lot of reasons that the show hasn't come out yet Mm-hmm. I would say that the the biggest reason like sort of at the core of it all is that I Don't think Jesse even knew like what I meant Like I said let's kickstart it and he said that sounds like a good idea and then I immediately launched a Kickstarter Right, which he didn't he thought I meant like let's do it eventually some day But I was like I want to get moving on this because we all wanted rad con 2 to happen sooner than rad con 1 Right, so it was basically an excuse to fund rad con 2 as fast as possible Without really considering The amount of work that it was going to be to do the plebe in the weeb season 2 the fact that all of it was gonna end up on him to edit and Then like a bunch of disasters happen in his life immediately afterwards, right? so it was like a really badly timed thing and so it's really my fault for putting it on him in the first place and It also in spite of having been a successful Kickstarter There's not that much money in it like most money went to the production You know like everybody else all the PCP members were just flown out like that's all you guys got out of it That's right, and the rest of the money anything that wasn't used for the project Like I'm still holding on to the money that's supposed to be used to ship all these fucking Blu-rays out That's good other than that all the money was for Jesse for editing So it's I gave it all to him so that he could because he's fucking his life is in Dire Straits and he needs the help, you know, so I was like here have all this money to Help with his move and shit so like you know There's ultimately not much money in it for for anybody else and the way I see it is I produced this project I came in and I hired I essentially hired a director, which is Jesse Director editor and I hired a bunch of actors, which is the rest of the PCP sure and The responsibility of the project being finished is on me for having orchestrated that I'm the one who picked everybody involved I'm the one who set up a situation that was not ideal for getting this finished in a timely fashion Now the cleave-in-the-weeb Kickstarter is not canceled by the way if I'm making it sound that way We're still working on the plebe in the weave Jesse just seems to be working on it at like he He's given up on it coming out in a timely fashion. He's editing it at his pace Yep, which leaves the question of how does this affect the rest of the PCP? Does anybody else not get to do a Kickstarter? Or even as a group like funding a rad con 3 when the Kickstarter for the last one was pretty clearly a rad con 2 Kickstarter does this look does this bode poorly for the rest of the PCP? That's the question I would argue it does I would argue that it does and I think it's because I We have a different idea and so we're just exploring the issue right like it would be in my best interest to deny this and to go Against it, but we're we're explorers of intellectual content. So here we are folks To me it seems like I when I think about myself, okay I would never give money to anyone under any circumstances, but if I was forced to and I was part of a Kickstarter Okay, so so you raised a couple issues there one of the things is that despite the fact that the the Kickstarter, you know the the actual product at the core of it all at the center of the Kickstarter was not delivered There's all this other content that came as a result of it I couldn't agree more and that's all great and wonderful But it is not the thing that was delivered or that the thing that was promised and it harkens me back to my favorite youtuber Anita Sarkeesian and all the all the grief that she got for you know, she's go on you know back from her original Kickstarter or whatever it was she You know developed a presence and made tons of content but a lot of people shout on her because they hate women but also because they They like she was not delivering specifically the product that was promised and she Distinctly got a lot of flak for it You know whether her true fans were the ones doing that or not the the fact remains that that bad press was generated for her Based on based on that that situation and I can't help but feel that it's a it's a similar sort of situation In a case like this and so the the thing that could vindicate us I think the PCP is a group is indeed the fact and what you One of the missions that I feel you are here to do is to separate you and Jesse as the culpable parties responsible for getting it done and the rest of us I mean we have offered many times to help and We it's not that we're not wanted but like that's not what the show is so we can't we cannot help That's the thing that's that's the way the way I see it is that the purpose of the plebe in the weeb is that it's me and Jesse's show It's a show that I organize and that he edits and sort of makes watchable, right? And the the only reason everybody else was involved was because we wanted rad con to we wanted everybody to be there And so the only way that made set like the way I saw it was like all right We're raising all this money for the Kickstarter. We want this Kickstarter to fund everybody to come to one place So the only way to justifiably fly them is to say well, they'll be in an episode So everybody who's there is gonna be in an episode because that justifies flying them down here for this event Whose main purpose is to generate as much content as possible Not just to generate the plebe in the weeb But to create all kinds of shit that we can only do in person because you know It's just it's content that can't exist over the internet without it would not be as good, you know, so The way I see it is like the the core product is the me and Jesse show everyone else is just kind of Incidentally involved as part of something else as part of and I think a lot of the people who backed the Kickstarter Just wanted rad con to I saw that that expressed by a lot of people at the time. I agree I know a lot of people Who are satisfied with the stuff that's come out or just don't care because we all put out tons of shit anyways And it's not like the plebe in the weeb is radically better than all the other stuff Well, yeah, like yeah like the specific product Yes, it is missing and that's a shame, but it's not like we've all gone quiet It's not like Spoonie who of course promised he was gonna make a movie and then has literally done nothing Like I think Spoonie would be in in better condition if he had promised a movie But was still doing his regular content. He'd still have a lot of patrons. I agree You know, we're in a situation where post plebe in the weeb You know recording is all of us entering our most prolific phases ever. You've done me a math of a we Agua I've been the human content machine. The only person who's really slowed down has been Jesse because he's not in a good position To make videos right now, you know, he's just and like to me that's kind of like an act of God Preventing this Kickstarter from being completed. Like I don't think it's just Jesse Like it's it's just the circumstances surrounding him like you can say like on some level sure It's like he could have done more by now But like it's not really just as simple as he hasn't done it It's also like things are you know, things are not in a Okay, well, you know he can do it easily. Let me let me throw this at you So we can I feel like it's appropriate to we can remove Jesse from the situation and we can just look at the fact that you know Nine months one video, you know, and maybe a second one soon Who knows but based on just those facts on the ground alone considering that this is a Kickstarter with you know promised rewards And it's a fairly official thing even though you don't have to do your Kickstarter stuff. You can't just blow it off I think there's no legal repercussions But we're not it's not about legal. It's about goodwill But like considering that you're in that situation it reminds me of basically what happened to Hussie when he was trying to make hive swap and He basically had a situation where not to compare the two but like he had like a scummy developer just basically steal his money and You know run off as I understand it I don't know I don't know the odd gentleman or whatever the names are that well but that's how I understood it to be or in some way the money was lost due to that bullshit and I Absolutely put the put the blame there on Hussie Specifically or if not him whoever was in charge of the project if it wasn't like specifically him But I feel like he's the guy because of his managerial Accountability and it's it's his responsibility to deliver. That's why you shouldn't put this on the PC fee You should put it on me. Right. I'm the manager. I Organized everything I bought everybody's playing tickets, you know or gave them the money to buy the playing tickets I fucking did all this I did everything for this at a loss I might had I didn't make any money off the plea of the week Kickstarter and in fact I lost a lot of money off of it I'm sure from driving everybody around and fucking Buying food for people and just everything I did involved I've only lost money from it But I'm okay with that because I wanted the product and also Rad con 2 was like the worst week of my entire life because it was just a stressful nightmare But I look back on it so fondly, but I was yeah, I was in your position. Yeah, no I mean, I'm I'm happy with all the products that came out of it. You know, yeah It was just a really trying time, you know Having ten insane people in my house and I'm trying to organize a show with a guy who doesn't want to be working on the Show at all, you know, that's really the that's the issue right there. Isn't it? Yeah, I'm sorry, Jesse I love you. You're my brother. I don't want to show you at all. I want to help. Let me help Let me help make the show happen. What can I do? Tell me what I could do Okay, I just don't think it I mean we've talked about having you edit a certain episode Yeah, or like even we first recorded it. We just haven't gotten to that episode yet And right that's way down the pipe anyway The thing is that Jesse has extensively planned this like he has a whole narrative for the plebe in the weeb season I think that's why he doesn't want to give it up. It's like yeah He has like a clear vision of what the narrative across it's gonna be and we've even started like we started recording season 3 or Season 2 however you want to look at it. Yeah With the idea that it takes place after that narrative So it kind of has to happen a certain way, you know, which is why we're not just why I haven't just wrestled Like I have all the files if I wanted to just give them to somebody else I could but like I want Jesse's product and so do I so do I I see it as it doesn't Entirely matter how long it takes to come out like it's it's a shame if it takes a really long time, but like It will come out and I'd rather it come out than have to change it just to rush it out the door And I think a lot of the people who would back it would agree Like they backed this because they wanted the show that Jesse edits They don't just want the plebe in the weeb just in name only that that's how we get mighty number nine You know like yeah mighty number nine came out But it looks nothing like the fucking game that was promised and that's why everybody's mad about it Nobody's happy that it's just out, you know So if the plebe in the weeb came out and it's not the show Jesse wanted to make people are gonna be like Well, why the fuck did I back it if you're not gonna give me the show? I okay, okay? But to play devil's advocates, you know Hive swap for example went through multiple changes, you know the whole big fuck up and and the product that's delivered now Is nothing like the original and yet people like hippo are pretty happy with it They seem to like the product though He wasn't a backer or anything and to a certain extent like my opinion Isn't really like the right one to be like voicing on this issue like I'm coming it from a certain angle of like Involvement with the project as opposed to it But I'm trying to like speak for the backers because that's where my concern lies I want to you know My interest is making sure that people feel satisfied with like any obligations that I personally owe them and I want to That's make it on that's the thing but what I want if if if there is to be a Kickstarter or something for Radcon 3 Me and Jesse's names should not be on it and we should not have any managerial duties on it It should be best guy ever's Kickstarter Where he runs the show because I think you you through if even if it's just guilt will get it done Like I have no doubt I will get it done I have no doubt you will get whatever it is done the plebe and the weeb as a specific show is a me and Jesse Show and it it's just a show that like the nature of it has led to this Situation if it was your show it would be done by now because that's the way you work. That's true Oh, I remember when it was a twinkle in y'all's eye. I remember those days so well It was a dream. It was a dream to do plebe in the weave. Yes, and And it just was done at the wrong time. It was just a badly planned in terms of timing And then stomped on by an act of God immediately afterwards where Jesse's house flooded and everything he owned was destroyed You know true like it's literally while we were filming it. So So there's a lot of reasons that it hasn't come out, but that's me and Jesse's project Best guy ever's project. I mean look at all the stuff that came out of Radcon 2 that did come out Everyone else's projects are out hippo made like 30 videos. You made the You're one of your biggest videos Kingdom Hearts lecture. Yeah, you know, yeah Which you edited to a like a video that if I had made it would have just been posted exactly as is Without the enormous list of time codes in the so many fucking time codes God Because I wouldn't have watched it back to do that, right? Yeah, I don't blame you and I spent a lot of time meticulously color correcting So yeah, I give a shit everybody. There you go. So I'm just saying that the way I see it If we tried to say kickstart the next plebe in the weave or the next Digi and Jesse show then yes It would be a bad idea and everybody would shit on us for it but if we kickstart the best guy ever show by the guy who Knows what he's doing It will be it might be more necessary to do crowdfunding for Radcon 3 because we don't even really have a venue Yeah, that's what comes to mind that There's no there's no place none of us have a big enough house at this point that can host it So like maybe we'll have to rent a space for Radcon 3 I don't know what it'll have to be or we'll have to go somewhere specific So yeah, that's kind of why it's why it's a question like it might have to be crowdfunded if there's a Radcon 3 and but like You know, I'm sure we can come up with a project to tie into it that is not or maybe the project is just Radcon 3 See that's what I was thinking knows can produce content We'll see because all we have to do and makes all we have to do is link them the playlist of Radcon 2 content that I put as the As the card in every single PCP episode that comes out So that people see the real shit that we do for the sake of Future Radcons because I know right it's going to happen and yeah like the I I if I wish that we had like somehow Included a little bit more. It's all it's all about framing and marketing really if I if I just felt personally that like the the content that was Produced from this Kickstarter was a little bit more entwined with just all that shit and it kind of was like I'm reading right here The the the the $5,000 Kickstarter limit where best guy ever in hypocrite are coming to Radcon 2 says if we're gonna make this much money We might as well bring the other guys down too Yeah, this amount will pay for hypocrite and best guy ever to fly down once more and even to guest in at least one episode of the plea When the weeb season one this will also propagate more wacky rad content from everyone involved That should be the main focus with maybe some like some core project that just like we gather around and then makes it other than that that's what I mean the the thing about the plea been the weave is that like the reason I went so hard on like Making it this big Extravagant project as I thought it would be necessary to do that to fund it Like I thought nobody will pay for the plea been the weeb unless it sounds like really huge and crazy and expensive When the reality is we hit the initial goal like immediately you only ask for a 1200 fucking bucks That's like nothing. Yeah, because it wasn't originally gonna have everybody involved It was gonna be just me and Jesse, but we we said well if we add in people to stretch goals Maybe we'll make a lot more and be able to fly everybody down again. It's originally me and Jesse project Nobody else was even involved at the start. That's right. They're all just actors I hired on so the way I see it if we just are funding radcon 3 Maybe people see it differently, but that's why we're doing this on that's why we're airing this out on the channel Because we had this entire discussion this morning at great length in which I concluded I think we could definitely do it. I think that You know as long as everybody understands that it's you know It's not gonna be in my managerial hands or Jesse's editing hands It's gonna be you know It's gonna be projects that everybody wants to do that everybody knows how to do and it's going to be on time You know Because the people running it will make sure that's the case indeed. We will And I think if people understand that they might be reticent to it I don't even think that many people see the plea been the weed Kickstarter as a failure, which again It's not cancelled. It is still in the works But the question is like if we do another one before it's over Does that look bad for the PCP and again? I won't even be involved like if if the PCP if if if a requirement for this Kickstarter is it can't fund Digi's trip. I'll pay for my own trip to Redcon 3 like I'm willing to throw myself completely under the bus for the rest of the PCP to be able to do this because I Really don't think it should be any of your responsibility What happened with or what is happening with the plea been the weave. Yeah, I I guess I just Which incidentally a lot of current PCP fans probably weren't even around for very channels Like twice as big as it was when we did it and a lot of those people are probably just fucking confused what we're talking I I'm sure that's true You know, I just I Don't I don't want anything. Okay. The reason why I here's a little psychology of myself The reason that I'm so meticulous and I I try to stay on top of everything so much and not like this is a new thing I never fucking did this in school. I was a complete fuck up But the reason why I do I'd like my pursuits now is because I don't want there to be any problems That stopped me from doing the things I want to do and like even even the fact like Okay, I'm not saying this at all But like what if this got to a situation where it just like it was so it was so bad something happened and then like you and Jesse your project just got like so fucked up Like people didn't even want us to be involved with you or like you couldn't be a part of the rad con thing like that's just my nightmare scenario and It worries me, which is why I want to help if I can I know I can't in this particular situation And and as you've said I do think you've made a pretty strong case that I hope the the people will be the judge that You know this that was you know was your project was your project and the rest of us more than delivered upon the you know The requirements which were zero we did it all for fun and you know, we got a free trip That's true cop to that Yeah, but we did it all this shit because we wanted to and we want to make more and we want to continue to grow And continue to work together on stuff. So here's my pitch everybody rad con three It's coming one day to your fucking face. You better brace for it and there might be a Kickstarter thing involved And I'm telling you I'm running this shit now. All right This is shit is sailing straight straight into your mom's pussy the juiciest location There is and you better get fucking ready for it. So Nate trust the tight ship. Yeah, the PCP has been a tight-run ship for ever since you like became ever Since you started taking manager fees. Yeah, yeah, but a tight rerun ship And you can get I mean, you know what content can come out of rad con three There's a lot of shit that we've put out from the last two, you know more lectures people God everyone loves the lectures, right? You want the more lectures? I know you want the lectures you fucking plebes out there. That's rad con three That's it and maybe we can maybe this if we can raise enough money Maybe we can get a better space for it and yeah And like if it's not tied to something that is basically a me and Jesse project like we can market it much better as well Like everyone's channels can advertise the fucking thing absolutely like because last time it was just me because I was dealing with the real audience Now we've got like You've got 50k, you know like we've got everyone's kind of growing now So there's more room for us to try to do something a little bit more Not ambitious in terms of the videos getting made because plebe in the weeb was too ambitious of a project just by sheer size Like honestly, it should have been crowdfunding three episodes I agree it should have been a crowdfunding for three episodes of the plebe in the weeb It should not have been 20 episodes that was fucking stupid on my part people It probably would have made the same fucking amount of money for three episodes Yeah, that's why I keep emphasizing that I don't think the backers are like that Broken up about it because already episode one is twice the length of what anybody expected the episodes to be You know, I did want to say a shitload of bonus background content, you know Yeah, like you that's all like done. Isn't that like all out? It's all completed. Yeah, everything's Basically everything from radcon 2 is out except for the plebe in the weeb and a few more blue glows that Jesse still has Actually all the blue glows from radcon might be out as well to me. I think that might be the case Oh, yeah, okay. Well to me. It's it's it's honestly baffling how chill everybody is that just like the plebe in the Web is not that much money like that's true The thing like when you look at it in terms of it's a Kickstarter like everyone's so afraid of like the ghost of failed Kickstarter, but like most of the famous failed Kickstarter's were a huge amount of money and That's the thing is that the people who complain about them are usually not so much the backers as people looking at it from the outside And saying you made that much money and you failed you fuck up But the thing is the Kickstarter is investment and if you're participating, you're an investor investors are used to failure You're basically hoping this thing will work. Maybe you'll get something out of it Maybe you won't you know, but like I think that for the people who backed it most of them probably paid $1530 and they got a lot of shit out of it You know that's for sure they haven't and there's still a promise that they will get what they actually paid for You know like if I came out and said it's canceled and there's none left like this is all we're releasing I could understand being more angry But like this show will come out, you know like one way or another it will come out Okay, last point just on that specific thing again to play devil's advocate there Do you feel it all a sense that like if it takes that long? It's almost like it never came out You know like if it really does take I don't think it takes like four years for every episode to come out Like will people even care, you know, I I don't know if I don't know how many people will care I think there's lots of shows that have done things that way Shows that just take forever to come out, you know, mr. Plinkett still has an audience even though he releases one Plinkett every year, but it's always a big deal Everybody loves out, you know Again, I don't think the plebe and the weave was ever like the highest class of content that we make So I don't know if it'll be missed the way a mr. Plinkett video would be missed, you know But like for me, I think of everything in the long-term anyways Like I have video series that people think I've killed and then I bring it back a year later And everyone's excited that it's back, you know like I think people think of this in a very impatient short-term way But like part of investment is the long long haul like Kickstarter's usually take years to finish like the vast majority of them Take two or three well I think the only problem here is just that you know You did give a time frame and that's that's really the issue at I gave it the thing is I gave a time frame that was Absolutely ridiculous because I was imagining if I was editing it Ah, of course because I work insanely fast if the plebe and the weave had been something I was editing It might have been like a fifth as good, but it would have been out in a month You know like all of it would have been out in a month because that's how I work I do want to give Jesse all the credit in the world for the obvious love and dedication He puts into it which is why when I think about you know the discussion about like me editing one of the episodes Like I don't want to because I know I can't do it as well as Jesse can Jesse just he's got the spark and by Christ. I want it back Jesse make more content Please come back to us. I miss you so much. I miss him, too But like he the there is an episode that like would make more sense if you edited it Yeah, but see I want Jesse I want I want to be enveloped by Jesse's by his panache Fuck it. Yes. That's what I want. I don't want my interpretation of that. Let me fucking bullshit That's exactly why I don't want to take it from him I think I think the project I think the people funding the project will ultimately happier to be happier to get the product Wanted as opposed to getting a product fast, you know, I hope so like if you can't have like it would be nice If you could have both but you can't have both because the way to get the product You want is to milk it out of the most talented man in the world Who needs to be away from the internet for the next however long he wants to be you know like that's the nature of What's going on so like Yeah, but I don't think that should affect the rest of the PCP And I think we should be able to like I think if people I don't think people will have any fear about it getting done If you're the one running it, you know, I agree like like even if they were completely Disappointed in the other Kickstarter you can look at this one and say well Nate's running it So I know we're gonna get the whole thing would start the whole thing would start with a careful analysis of what is actually a Reasonable expectation for what we can actually get done at a ride it would all be framed around that to begin with And that's really that's the most important step when it comes to this shit Yeah, and you know, there's one other point. I did want to make in here and And it's okay. It sounds a little odd But is it cruel to Jesse to keep him under the yoke of this like as a fellow creator if I had like nine episodes like 20 episodes or whatever of a show just like Hanging above me like a fucking sword of Damocles every day as like this is I have to do this It it it seems nightmarish. It seems horrible I mean if it if it was that way, we've all offered to take it off his hands Like everyone's offered that so if he doesn't want to do it he can pass it up But like I think he wants to do it because he has a vision of it and he likes the series He likes the idea, you know, it's just like again. It's just bad timing like maybe next year Maybe like February 2018 something clicks in his head and he finishes the rest of the show in a week You know, like I've seen him do that before I've seen the way this man works Horse Shoe finale was in production for a fucking year. Mm-hmm, you know, and he disappeared for six months of that year There was a long period with no new Jesse uploads. Then there was a thousand of them You know, I'm not saying that's gonna happen. Don't expect your hopes up But it has happened let's just think for a second about the worst case scenario where Jesse just thinks fuck it And he leaves and he never makes me it. You know, I take all the I take that I have all the files You know, okay, like okay, so that's the that's the critical mass place Everything's in my hand like the second the second I get the text from Jesse that says I Fucking hate the plea for the weave. I don't want to edit it anymore. I go. All right Hippo Nate, how much do I have to pay per episode? You know because I know if I edit it's gonna be garbage. So I'll have to get creative Yeah, wouldn't I would love a give up edited episode. I know that boy could do some yeah I think Hippo could do it. Well, I think it wouldn't be the same, but he could edit. Yeah, and it would be funny. Yeah, of course Davoo could probably edit one. We got a lot of editors in our midst. We do we do But there's only one who's a who's who's got a specific brand of genius mania, you know Yeah, there's only one Tarzan boy out there. We're just waiting for him to come home jungle nights Yeah, I know right. All right. Well, so down in the comments Let us know everybody way in yeah be our judge and jury Right after you're done with your comment ripping on me for defending my failed Kickstarter Go ahead and leave a comment about whether or not you think the PCP can do a Kickstarter weather Just let us know would you fund rad con 3? with the promise that it's gonna have For sure all the things that rad con 2 had besides the plea in the weave as well as potentially new Projects that we haven't even dreamed up yet. I think it is almost guaranteed the people will want that that is what I think and if we So yeah be firm that way. Yeah, sounds good to me here. There you go folks. Digi has taken full responsibility. All right No blame on this side of the fence everybody. No accountability whatsoever. There you go. There you go So there it is. I'm you know, I think this is good I think people will be happy to hear us talking about it you voicing an opinion on it And just just giving an update giving an update to this whole situation. I think it's good. Yeah, that's what I would want to hear if I were them Alrighty Suck my dick fuck my ass. Bye everybody. I love you