 Third to the actual master cleanse which is like a prepared master cleanse. Please go through the master cleanse is like a 10-day you know, you're like drinking Basically, it's sort of a lemon juice and cayenne pepper and it's this whole ill-advised cleanse diet But this is pretty good So that'd be a great name for a for a cleaning company. You know if I if I was the Face of a clean. I'd be like I'm master cleanse. Yeah, I don't want the Duke of cleansing Not the Duke Jester cleanse. I mean, he's fun, but he doesn't really do a good job. No, I don't need jokes No cleaning. Oh by the way, Roger. I watched in a net last night. So good. You got to watch that Okay So many things to watch but I can't really sit still for more than 30 minutes before I'm dragged somewhere Well, it's at some point all of you. It's you know, if you like a stand-up comedy that's like heavier than funny Does it still qualify a stand-up comedy it's a comedy show, but it's um, it's it's A heavy-handed it's not stand-up drama. It's stand-up comedy still Would you like to read line three? Start like start the show. Yes. Oh wait a second. What is it? Yes, sure. All right. Here we go three Two Thanks to everyone who supports daily tech news show directly to find out more head to daily tech news show dot com slash support This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday August 7th 2018 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feel and I'm Scooter Lane and From the European headquarters in Finland. I'm Patrick Beja. You're right. It is our European headquarters Love it. Absolutely I Paused on the date because I had yesterday's show line up in front of me for some reason But I'm all good now everything's fine And it was not the fault of our amazing producer Roger Chang Roger. How's it going don't throw me under the bus No, I just pulled you out from in front of the bus Hero of tech news Shall we start with a few tech things you should know We shall Google announced updates to its Google for education suite Consolidating dashboards and improving management and feedback to students and teachers starting this fall Google's a our core software development Kidder SDK will support the Acer Chromebook tab 10 That's the first Chrome OS tablet and the first non smartphone to use a our core Amazing the old version of Skype was scheduled to stop working in September But now the Roth comm notes that Skype that the Skype team has given it a reprieve The Skype team posted to its forums that it is Extending support for Skype 7 also known as Skype classic for quote Sometime on quote the team added that they are working to bring requested features to Skype 8 I love they're like for some time and you can keep using it until then whenever that is 948 a.m. Tuesday, August 7th. That's this morning as we're recording it Elon Musk tweeted I'm considering taking Tesla private at $420 funding secured an hour later trading of Tesla shares was halted because of all the craziness around that We joke or irresponsible executive disclosure in any case if you're mad. He was just joking. Okay, lighten up If you're not mad don't think it private although I mean 420 bucks for Tesla seems like a good deal. I think 20 man It's trading at around 300 plus right now. So it was above the current price. That was the stock I thought it was the company Moving on to red sharing at least on the roads the UK is getting a new alternative to uber after India based ride Healing company Ola announced plans to expand into the country. It'll be its first market in Europe Let me just say that Patrick is funnier than Elon Musk at least today. All right, let's talk about what's up with Instapaper Patrick Right. Well instant Instapaper is reintroducing its $2.99 a month Instapaper premium subscription service Which was made free when Pinterest owned them now that they're independent. They need to make money again What do you know? However, the core bookmark marking and parsing feature of Instapaper will continue to be available for free But you won't have to pay for six months if you're in the European Union Woohoo, that's by way of apology for taking so long to make Instapaper compliant with the GDPR Which it now is Instapaper is also posting its privacy policy to GitHub where you can view a Versioned history of all the changes. I love that idea I wish more companies would would put their privacy policies on GitHub so you could track it Or at least somebody could track it and kind of see what happens. That's really cool But yeah, what this doesn't seem to be impacting most people, right? And unless they're using something that doesn't work But here's another story of a company that that had to kind of wind down in Europe for a while while they caught up I mean under Pinterest Instapaper, I have not been using it, but I did use it in the past I think it's a wonderful service and the fact that they're Throwing six months free for anybody who was like, hey, I haven't even had the service since May that's a good measure and The premium portion of it I'd be curious to know if if anybody on this panel would would pay for that. I never have Me either, you know more of a bookmarking service rather than anything Yeah, I haven't really been using it. I mean to 2.99 seems like a reasonable price if you're Getting some serious use out of it and the kind of thing that some people might do just to support the company I do that with Fiddley. For example, I don't use the premium features, but yeah, so There are few things that established media giants agree on but two of them are one That somebody needs to make bite-sized video to compete with the likes of YouTube and Facebook and two Jeffrey Katzenberg and Meg Whitman are the ones to do it That is why Disney 21st century Fox NBC Universal Sony Pictures Entertainment Viacom Warner Media Lionsgate MGM ITV Entertainment one and Ali Baba The Avengers of media companies have assembled to give new TV one billion dollars in seed funding New TV plans to launch by the end of 2019 That's next year with a premium lineup of original short-form series around 10 minutes each The service will have two subscription tiers an advertising free plan and an advertising light option That you still pay for according to Meg Whitman Company will license programming and won't own or produce any shows itself. Yes friends. The idea behind vessel is back Yeah, it seems they're selecting People who will produce content, right? They're not opening it to everyone is my understanding. Correct Correct. So they are they're going to these investors every media company on the planet And saying you guys provide the great stuff from the Mark Burnett's of the world And we'll put it on this platform and the millennials will eat it up on their phones The Mark Burnett's of the world but also the bite-sized versions of this which Correct, you know up until now. It's like sure. There's lots of content on YouTube and obviously all the competitors at all sorts of lengths But when you go to Hulu or HBO or Netflix or it's sort of like it's a movie or if it's a TV show It's an hour or it's half an hour So the idea that something would be Being built under the premise that there's a lot of really good shorter form content that doesn't really fit in other places is I mean, I like the idea of it. I don't know. I don't I don't know if this is the premise is seriously flawed Uh, I think just because people watch a lot of video on their phone and a lot of it's around 10 minutes Doesn't mean that they're crying out for a service that gives them premium 10 minute videos Although I reuse mark brunette because the voice which mark brunette produces Had a very successful Mini version on snapchat. So I don't know maybe i'm wrong Maybe maybe these folks have got something that they're seeing like oh this kind of thing works on youtube And this works on snapchat and this works on instagram. What if we had it all available in one service? I just don't see people paying for that Well, it could be very interesting. Um, it could be good content I just think it has nothing to do with youtube Uh, the the reason I was asking if they're opening it to everyone is that the content people want to see on youtube is Coming from it's very grassroots. So that's a completely different kind of well The idea is we're going to pay people who do it really well and so people willing to pay for it Yeah, absolutely. And that is a fundamental not mistake, but difference with youtube. I think it's a completely different Well, but there's youtube and youtube, right? There's also youtube premium But we really are talking about the successful channels on youtube that you only pay if you want to get rid of the ads Otherwise you can watch for free I I do agree with you tom that no one's, you know Well, probably somebody is but not many people are like crying out like we want 10 minutes shows rather than 30 But I do think that there have been these silos where something has to be it's if it's a feature film It's this long, you know, or it's a short film and I think the idea of Being able to you know identify good content at lots of lengths is a good thing for us going forward I just don't know that people want to pay for for that And this is also not even coming out for over a year new tv is very clear They are not trying to compete with hbo and netflix. They're not trying to make movies. They're not trying to make tv shows They're trying to make something new and I do applaud them for taking the risk. I just am skeptical on this one myself Well, let's talk about what firefax is doing firefax is launching an experimental browser extension called advance which offers up content based on what you're currently reading and your recent browsing history Readnext recommends related articles based on your current tab and the for you section Uses your recent history to populate its recommendations advance is powered by a machine learning startup called laser like I first be the interesting. Yeah, at first I was hoping this would keep your data local because it's an extension, but it doesn't laser like still has your data They do give you control over when it's collecting you can turn it off and say I don't want it to be collecting right now You can go in and delete data at any time. It's some of those things you kind of have to do under gdpr Anyway, uh, so it's not as great as I thought but it's also totally optional. It's not something that's going to happen Opt out. It's something you have to install But the idea that this seems like something google should have thought of I agree The idea that they will look at everything you're interested in essentially what you're browsing And recommend stuff based on that is an incredibly google thing to do. I mean, that's now that's what Yeah, that's that's what google assistant is supposed to be doing This is just I don't know. There's something about this. We're like, oh, yeah No, if I'm looking at a at an article and on the and there's a left panel That says here other articles like that that saves me so much time rather than going back and forth between a google Search and tabs and all of that. Yeah, or even you know Based on what you've been interested in for the past year It will pop up something that you might be interested in as well and recommend it to you. That's yeah The information reports that people who own devices with amazon voice services rarely use them for shopping Of about 50 million users one million tried it for shopping at all and about 100 000 reportedly Bought something by voice more than once the echo and similar devices are mostly used for listening to music Asking about the weather and setting timers. That's what I use mine for Listening to music Haven't said a timer yet, but I was like, that's a good idea. I use mine for cooking timers all the time That's a really good call because because my sonos one is is Out in my kitchen that would make a lot of sense. I have Never bought anything through my smart speaker I I didn't not do it because I didn't want to but it's not the sort of thing I guess if you If you had something from amazon that you knew you had you already wanted you didn't have to see a photo You didn't have to read reviews none of that stuff. Sure Uh, you know add it to a shopping list of some kind But I do understand that a lot of folks are like i'm talking to the wind Kind of you know, I want to look at my cart. I want to make sure that i'm buying what I think i'm buying and I I don't know anybody who's really buying anything via voice and i'm not just talking about amazon voice services Just any of them Clearly very few people are um, it's surprising to me because I you know, I got um I got the The the amazon echo very recently and I don't find it all that useful and I figured oh, maybe people usually Use it to buy stuff, you know amazon designed it for that and it turns out not really Um, yeah, I never want to buy anything through amazon because I'm I just don't trust it I'm like I need to see that i'm looking at the right page And it's the right size and the right account and like do you want to buy the same thing as last time? Well, I don't know what if the what if they've shifted something about that I've run into that too many times using an actual web page where I should have been able to see Sure. Yeah, exactly. Well, you're like, oh, wait. I actually bought two in my card You know, now I can see like go back to one that would be hard to do voice alone Uh, west virginians serving overseas will be able to cast upcoming federal election ballots using a smartphone app I'm going to repeat that west virginian service people people in the military Overseas not people in west virginia. It's a limited number of people. It's absentee ballots for military people Are going to be able to vote on their phone west virginia secretary of state mac warner and boston based app developer votes Spelled v o atz Say the technology is secure Voters register by taking a photo of their government issued id and a video of their face upload both of those through an app State officials will let each county decide whether they want to opt in counties can say You know what? We don't like this. We're not going to do it And paper ballots will be available as an option for all of the voters if they're like on their end like yeah, I'm overseas But I don't I don't trust this. I don't want to use my phone Last thursday, I posted a column on patreon.com slash dts about how blockchain works in voting based on the test West virginia did in two counties last may so this is not them doing it for the first time They did it in the primary in may in two counties. They did four audits on that so they're not rushing into this Securely identifying people can be done now. I'll have the link to that column in the show notes Votes on a blockchain are in fact more tamper proof than paper ballots But when it comes to maintaining anonymity while also Verifying the registration. That's when it gets tricky. They're absolutely great ways to securely identify someone There's absolute tamper proof blockchain practices that stuff isn't hard. The question is is votes doing it, but it's not hard Being able to keep anonymity and verify is the tricky part and votes doesn't explain how they do any of this Nor have they published their source code for wider review Besides those four state audits We don't know if this is good and gadget notes that security researcher sara jamie lewis of open privacy research Says votes uses what she calls Weak single user blockchain technology So she's saying they could be using solid blockchain technology, but in her opinion, they aren't And that ends up just being a database. She's like it's not really having the tamper proof benefits of a real blockchain Uh, and we don't know how they're able what are they using zero knowledge proofs? What are they doing for verification and anonymity? So the biggest problem with this is the fact that we don't know how it's operating They're not is not enough transparency around it But it's exciting to see somebody try if they were going to do more transparency and share what they learned with other Governments other state governments other federal governments Uh, it would be really exciting because it absolutely can be done and the way you get past those tricky parts I was talking about is to Get it out there in the wild and and and try it. I know that sounds risky But you know that that is unfortunately the way technology works sometimes It seems if you're going to do something a little bit risky there This is a very contained test case so Well, the fact that the The state of west virginia has been testing this Um, the fact that the the boston based company votes, which I called vo watts in headlands this morning Is also like we're good You know And you sort of think like okay government id plus a video You know showing that you know, this is the facial recognition word, you know, you you you tie the two together Well, that also sounds fine and good But the fact that votes isn't saying and here's exactly how we're better than a database for any security researcher Who's like this is a really bad idea? Well, that's a little troublesome because especially in the u.s. People are Uh, you know paranoid for for good reasons and you know sometimes just paranoid about the idea of voter fraud Yeah, it's it needs to have more than a single user Uh blockchain that the the benefit of blockchain That's the thing that is that the public ledger Corrects itself because there are there's so many eyes upon it, right? That that could be fixed And in fact in my column, I do point out that brazil, denmark, south korea, switzerland And of course the most cutting-edge country on the planet estonia have all Had experiments with blockchain based voting as well So this that part isn't new. I don't know why they're doing it that way Except that maybe they're trying to keep things proprietary and that goes into our wider point But the the real big one is what kind of encryption are you using to do zero knowledge proofs? And again, if you're like, what is that go to my article because it explains through through analogy how that works But it's a way to say I can prove that you are the person you that you are registered to vote without finding out Who you are that is that is a mathematical thing that can be done But it's tricky to implement and we don't have any idea that they're even implementing it and if they are how Do you want me to explain zero knowledge proofs now or should we move on because I mean Why not I could tell you a great story about bachy and Peggy no, it's Peggy Peggy and victor are the uh the folks I mean the short short version is there's there's two paths to a door that you can't see and Peggy goes down the path Whispers this magic word that opens the door so victor can't hear it walks through the door walks up the other side Proving that she knows the magic word because she walked up the other side But victor doesn't know what the magic word is That was more confusing than yeah, does victor get to vote This is showing how you can prove something without giving away what it is Right Peggy wants to prove to victor I know the magic word that opens the door at the end of this path But I don't want you to know what the word is victor's like prove it. So he stays up at the top She goes down. It's a circular path. She goes down one side whispers the magic word goes to the door Comes back the other side. She couldn't go back up the other side if she couldn't get through the door That's blocking the path. So does the door vote Now wait, are you messing are you trying to understand or are you just having fun? Uh, the you know, we've reached the Allocated time for this story in the rundown. So unfortunately, you'll never know Uh Oh the french Well, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines.com that is entirely understandable Last week, we told you how epic games is making its android version of fortnight battle royale available from its website Not through the google play store sometime this summer anyway epic game ceo tim sweeney told tech crunch We believe gamers will benefit from competition among software sources on android today Bloomberg's emily mccormick wrote the move threatens google and highlights weaknesses of its android operating system Especially compared with apple She cites a lot of analysts who are drawing lines between what epic is doing The fact that the eu through uh legislation and and and fines is trying to force android to allow competing app stores And what messaging apps like line and cacao and we chat do by creating app and payment platforms within their messaging apps That subvert the app stores Uh, this is this is a a pretty new thing in the gaming world for sure right patrick Yeah, it is and I think it could end up being a momentous uh momentous moment In in the life of the this os I was going to say these but as emily mccormick is pointing out This really only concerns android because apple has it locked down and Tim sweeney the ceo of epic games did say if we could do it on apple on ios we would have Uh, well he can't so apple is doing something not right, but something to protect the their revenue model there but The I think you know, this is something that only fortnight could have uh Done at this juncture because it's popular because it's so popular that everyone Is going to rush and try to get the game from wherever it is available um, I think It's something that is Very daring that now that now that it is being done or it will have been done Will seem a lot less Uh, daunting than it did a couple of months ago. So that could uh become A little bit more threatening to google than it seems now The question is could someone else have done this? I'm not sure they could have it's really hard to Overstate how popular fortnight is. I think the latest estimates are 125 million players at the moment It is really Setting the gaming world on fire right now. And I think the the the regular world as well You you there's isn't a week without An athlete doing a fortnight dance on the field So it's something that the The epic games company has a lot of power and weight With I think one of the questions is Is this a purely financial decision? because obviously bypassing the Google play store means they don't have to pay 30 to to google on every transaction um And this is something that is probably the go-to Reason for most people. I'm sure you know You Would probably cite this as the main reason right For doing this. I think what's interesting about this is yes If you tell most people you have to go outside the google play store And I know there's a lot of side loaders in our audience, but the general populace doesn't want to do that They're like that sounds hard. I don't want to do that but fortnight is so Ridiculously popular and people are so committed to playing it That it is more likely to cause someone who wouldn't otherwise bother To say all right fine. What do I need to do? I need fortnight So they go and they download it and the effect that that can have Is to teach people like hey That wasn't so hard and so the next company that does it Doesn't need to be as popular as fortnight because all those people who did it with fortnight go Oh, so it's like fortnight. Oh, I've done that once. That's not that scary or hard. Yeah, I'll totally do that And that that to me is is what I'm wondering is will we see enough people imitating this that it becomes a trend and that's exactly what must be going through uh the Whoever is responsible for the google play store It it's going through their mind. Of course We're a few steps removed from that actually becoming real at this point But fortnight is big enough that it could start a trend Maybe with other publishers of games because What tim sweeney the again the ceo of epic games is saying is that The service that google is providing and apple through the their app stores Isn't worth 30. So i'll leave Other people to debate whether or not that's the case But uh, i'm certain that if they can if a company Is big enough to handle the you know, uh, uh the Not the invoicing but the the the payments and the customer service and the delivery of assets and all of this i'm sure they wouldn't mind not having to pay 30 to uh google for this and The uh Games are as we well know the main revenue generator on app stores So there are a few companies that I think Make enough money You know small companies might benefit from the app store in infrastructure Bigger companies might think well We don't really need them do we things like you know big, uh mobile games like clash of clans or Candy crush or these kinds of games They might implement a dual Approach maybe be present on the app store and have a version that you can in side load And that will be cheaper and given the openness of the rules of the google play store They might even tell people hey I mean in the version that they downloaded on the app the the play store If you want a special bundle of gems or whatever Just go to our website install the launcher from us And we'll give you a special price for uh, you know 20 percent Although I don't know if that violates google play terms to send people away like that So it might be tricky. They can be crafty. They can be clever perhaps But yeah, I I think if android wants to get ahead of this they should create a curated list If this becomes a trend they shouldn't do it right now But if this becomes a trend they should create a curated list of like hey outside of the google play store here google It blesses these as safe and secure And then they could even start providing tools for smaller companies that want to try this on their own But don't have the full infrastructure. I mean there's ways to lean into this if it becomes a trend I I think it would be more beneficial to them to lower their cut If that becomes a trend to keep people in the play store do that too. Yeah as well Yeah, but you also alluded to the question of security Tim sweeney is saying well, it's like any other open os you can go on windows and install Any application you want but the big question about security then rears its ugly head back again And which is better be able to install anything at the risk of getting malware? I'm not sure especially on mobile. So I don't know it's it does but it does open that question with which we were Not really asking too much on mobile platforms or less and less Well, you know who's crafty and clever people in our subreddits That's right submit stories and vote on others at daily tech news show reddit.com Also, if you want to hang out on facebook, we got a group facebook.com Slash groups slash daily tech news show. Let's check the mailbag, sara. Let's do it This one comes from thomas. We love these accessibility emails. Honestly, this I do anyway Thomas says as many of you are I'm a tech enthusiast. I've taught myself much of what I know now I'm mostly blind and I have been for about 11 years Since then I've struggled to keep my tech skills and knowledge up to date And DTNS has been a great asset in that regard. Thomas. So glad to hear that goes on to say though I maybe if the minority it'd be incredible to hear your thoughts on accessibility and existing Or emerging tech to help the blind and then my final semester at my university I have some assistive technology But to be honest feels as if assistive tech is 20 years behind the rest of the world Any thoughts and then he says I used to be a gamer and would love to hear any ideas on accessibility in gaming as well Yeah, we do cover assistive technology and accessibility on this show I feel like more often than we used to so it's not like it's it's not It's not here. We don't put it in a special area Or call attention to it. We just put it in the regular top stories. So so listen for that And folks if you have stories that go to what thomas is saying or or theories or or tips Send them to us for feedback at daily tech news show dot com. Thank you thomas for this. That's great Just wanted to mention. There is a semi famous Blind street fighter player the street fighter the the fighting game And he actually got a win A year ago there he was competing in actual tournament and got a few wins He's he's quite well known. So that might be of interest to you if you're interested in gaming Real quickly before out of here the snapchat or snap ink, I should say earnings report came in Lost 3 million users over last quarter, although they have more daily active users 8% more than last year So still growing year over year But down from last quarter, which is somewhat Concerning I think so I mean my snapchat is a real ghost town I actually posted something this morning like well, you know, maybe I'll get some some views not very many Oh, and uh, anth mic says there's a podcast about accessibility that I assume anth mic recommends relay dot fm slash parallel Oh, excellent thomas. I hope that helps if it does Let us know and and thank you very much for the recommendation Also, thank you to patrick beija for being with us as late as it is in Helsinki We missed you last week. What has been going on? well, uh, if you enjoyed our discussions about the gaming industry when we talked about You might enjoy dtns labs games, which we just recorded with our good friend scott johnson It's this kind of the extended version of that discussion and other topics From the gaming industry. It's available to patrons of dtns now And we'll go on the feed on saturday. I believe if I'm not mistaken tom Yes, if you are a If you are a patreon subscriber to the good day internet feed you already have it And if you're a patreon and you go to patreon.com slash dts You can find it there if you get the ad free version of dts through the patreon support It will show up saturday like it does in the public feed for everybody as well And uh, actually you explained all of this but this is kind of not going to be irrelevant But dtns labs games is graduating from the labs section of dts and becoming its own show All right It's gonna be called mvgb for monthly video game briefing, which I think is quite clever Or if if you decide to go more often than monthly multiple video game briefing Dificent or Better, yeah, I like that. Yeah, both both work. So this is coming up in september But for now the latest episode is available on Um on the the feed for patrons. Yep. So keep an ear out for that And thank you to everybody who supports us on patreon.com slash dtns Our email address is feedback at daily tech news show dot com We'd love your feedback. Keep it coming questions comments anything in between We're also live monday through friday if you can join us We'd love to have you at 4 30 p.m. Eastern or 20 30 utc and find out more at daily tech news show dot com slash life Back tomorrow with scott johnson. Talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network. Get more at frogpants.com Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this program Boy that recycling truck came by right at that was that was yeah, sorry. I was like I was like Because I so often I'm like, can you guys hear that? You're like, no, it's fine. Usually not. Yeah, that one I was like, oh, somebody got a printer going on in the background Stupid so the blind player is called Sven. He is dutch and He actually just well, obviously uses just the sound of the game to To play and he actually won a few rounds in in serious tournaments. I love that So cool I always wondered um You know how Well, I don't know. I don't know. It depends on where you went to school. I guess but um As a kid, I remember there would be sort of I don't know like Days where the kids are supposed to be more empathetic, you know, and so like everybody gets blindfolded You know and you get it you yeah You spend sort of the day like figuring out what it would be like to go through life without the gift of sight I feel like that happened in some health classes not any of the ones I took Oh, okay like a widespread thing. No, this is like we we did this when we were quite young Yeah, and yeah the idea of um, I mean again, I grew up in the woods. So it was like, you know, you sort of like You know, yeah, and by school. She means her and the squirrels that she hung out Tom it was a yeah accredited Accredited squirrels. I see you know, it'd be the sort of thing where it's like if you feel a tree trunk And then you come back later Can you remember what that can you remember what your tree is? You know based on just stuff that um are not uh is not uh based on visual IQs And I mean, this is all you know kind of really silly kid stuff but but uh, but yeah The more we can sort of understand Especially how good you might be gaming in your own way based on cues rather than visual cues is really Pretty cool Trying to find out, you know, Patrick, I think I may have dropped the ball. I didn't did we not pick a feed already? Four monthly video games briefing. I think we had to give them one Oh, I don't want to say it until I'm certain but um, you had to give who a cast Like a we a sub domain I that would not have been something I would have seen because I was in there this morning, but Valid rss settings No, you you would see it. It's it's under. I didn't oh, I didn't see it. Here it is rss.acast.com mvgb Now there's nothing there yet So you may get an error if you try to subscribe to that but that that is the source url if you're like I just really want to be in there I also need a description And I know scott's working on the cover image What are we going to call this show? We are going to call it Not late for dinner Or epic maneuvers around android vote by blockchain I mean there are a couple of variations on avengers of media media avengers assemble I think it's just confusing because it's not really Related to the avengers Instapaper insta returns Epic maneuvers around android I think epic maneuvers Oh, just epic maneuvers Also, I think that's a good one. I think I'm going to Go into bed. Go to sleep. Good night sweet prince Good night beloved hosts of text shows let flights of angels speed me to thy rest And Also, you smell lovely. Thank you I can't tell over the internet that i'm Is that what is that? I don't you don't have smello vision yet Okay, I'm really tired. All right. Good night. Good show. Bye Patrick. Bye. Bye And congrats on the new labs graduation All right, we'll probably have a different rss like redirect just to to make sure but uh, if you want to try that Try that one that I gave out just now Uh, you'll be ahead of the game head Wait, it was epic maneuvers. Sure epic maneuvers. Love it. Great. Love it. Great. Good. Wonderful. Copy print it Penini roll tape Actually, what do you call it when you do the press on the panini? You press it? I Yeah, I mean it's pretty much just like a waffle iron, right? Yeah, it's a panini press Love a good panini Who doesn't it's like an adult version of the uh, that sandwich thing that used to sell on late night TV Uh the george foreman No, there was the uh sandwich maker like you can make Which is and it would like bake it with the crust sealed up Oh I don't I don't find that those in george foreman included really save you much time The sandwich they save No, I don't know george foreman doesn't save me any time at all But I you have to clean it I I knew there was a guy I knew in san francisco, uh, who didn't have an oven at the Well, okay, so it's like that you know that it worked really well But yeah, it's like stovetop. You just cook in Yeah, you know like you have a range if you have a you know burners Yeah, I mean, I know it saves you a little time. I just don't know if it's worth it Well, the whole idea too was that it was supposed to the fat was supposed to drip. So it was supposed to be like better Yeah, that's Look at those things. So this is the sandwich thing I was talking about. Remember they used to sell this on late Yeah, I saw that So it's the it's the clamshell thing and it slices it while it's cooking because it's got the the divots Oh, so that you don't have to slice and have the cheese go nuts Yeah, that kind of sucks. You could do any kind of hot square sandwich $17 two-day shipping it definitely is easier, but then you start to clean and everything I just I find myself with these sorts of things like The savings wears off after a while and you just go back to do it Regular way. Yeah. Yeah, because you have to pull the thing out Actually, I will say the one thing that I use a lot and it's always saved me time is the toaster oven Yeah, I like a toaster oven Yeah, if I'm doing like a open-face bagel thing It's toaster oven is just buy it for that. I mean if you like bagels If you want grilled cheese, but you want to really cut down on the amount of grease and fat It's you just toast it Right Just open-face stuff Nice and easy. So Peggy Knows the magic word And victor, okay, but you guys I think I did a poor job of setting it up That was the problem. I tried to speed through it Because if you don't imagine the path that it doesn't it doesn't work at all But can you imagine a circular path? In that where you can't see the other side And there's a and it's like a cave right so you can't go off the path and just cut cut around right You have to go through a door in order to make it all the way around the circle. Can you imagine that? Yes, okay And then victor and Peggy are standing at one end of the circle And Peggy's like I know how to get through that magic door, but I don't want you to know the magic word Victor's like prove it How does she prove she knows the magic word without telling him the magic word? She walks around the path. He can't see her anymore She whispers the magic word opens the door comes around the other side of the circle And he's like, oh, you must know the magic word because the only way to get through there was to open that door The only way to open that door was know the magic word. So now just without the magic Without me knowing what the magic word is you have proved to me that you know it It doesn't matter how Peggy got to know it. All's really concerned with is Peggy proving to victor She knows something without having to tell him what she knows Why does Peggy care about proving that to victor? Well, this is a zero knowledge proof, right? Why do you care about proving anything is it relevant? It's like, how do you prove you know something without revealing what it is got it with voting? How do you prove you're registered without revealing who you are? That's the analogy that would be okay No, I mean that makes sense and obviously there's a lot more complex math about that to get it Sure, but the Peggy victor analogy shows you like because because you might say like it's impossible for you to prove You know something without telling me what it is Right, but this is an example of like. Oh, no. Here's it. Here's a way Got a mathematical analogy to that that can be implemented In programs that would do the same for being able to prove something It's like public key cryptography, right? How do you give someone a key without giving them the key that unlocks all your stuff, right? Give a key that can only involve factory Does that work better? Yes, that makes perfect. I needed to take more time. That's that was well It it made sense during the show, but I My question during the show was like, but why does victor need to know what what Peggy knows Well, because would you explain? Yeah, it's an analogy to why why do I need to know you're registered to vote without right? Yeah, who you are registered to vote So I sent that link to my patreon article to my sister because she was the inspiration for it Oh, that's right. She's a kind of clerk or something. Yeah, she's a kind of clerk, uh, and she her response back to me was like Peggy, huh? It's like just yeah traditional way of describing this is Peggy. I didn't pick the names, okay Who's Peggy? Whatever Thanks for the information and why are you no big machine? You know victor on a little secluded Yeah, right. It's up with Peggy and Victor. Yeah, exactly like what's their problem Like it's like how to get away with infidelity because it's it's definitely an analogy if you start to be like Well, why did they build a magic door in the middle of this circle cave? Right? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, why don't they just go to another park? Why do they care go somewhere else? Yeah, sounds horrible It's a bad part. How does Peggy ensure that the path? Well, the password I assume is just one use so the Authentication is no actually if you really get into the analogy, there's ways Where he is at the the the top of a path that leads into the circle So there's a way for her to do it where it's hidden which path she takes And and there's ways to do it like multiple times to prove She's not just you know coming up the side It gets more complex than what I said if you start to ask those kind of questions It can't handle it and then at the end there will be a giant sphinx that will ask you a riddle Uh Never ending story And then it will you know if you get it right you're allowed to pass the vote if not you'll be eaten the oracle It was the oracle, right? No the oracle is the um one that tells you the future oracle of delphi but But the the two's I think you're thinking of I'm thinking of never ending story. Yeah. Yeah with a tree you who hunted the wild or the purple buffal I was the oracle. It was the two sphinx and like if you got it wrong, they'd like that was Larry ellison No, oh, right. Right. Right. Yeah They he'd they would answer it and then like they were destroyed by the nothingness as he went to go find The um What was it the childlike princess who was a child actor? Uh, uh Yeah, moon shadow you remind me of a babe Well, it's a different movie. No, sorry Also good though. Right. Right. Same wheelhouse Same same general wheelhouse Uh, speaking of well, not of movies or childhood movies, but series I started watching sharp objects last night starring Amy Adams And you know, tell the video folks what you thought and then we'll go into more detail for the audio folks Sounds good. Uh short story like it All right, there you go. She likes it. Thank you folks for watching if you'd like to find out why she likes it Uh, check out our patreon at patreon.com slash dts. We'll see you next time video