 All right, Kim, I think I have it. All right, hold on. Let me just, just looking for it. And I just want to add in a note. There are no meetings for this week. I was going to send them out yesterday, but my kids camp got closed. Oh, yeah. So I got. Okay. Well, I had to get them yesterday out of camp and bring them to get them out of camp. So I was a little out of sorts. So there are. We can do that. We understand. Sorry that happened. Yes. And we got an email this morning that there was a case at my daughter's dance studio. So yay. Oh, hey, it's coming here too. Yeah. But UMass has free testing, community testing. It's all free really fast. Yeah, but UMass doesn't do kids. They do. Anybody over, I think age two or four or something. Yeah, they've dropped it. Yeah. Oh good. Cause you used to have to travel up to. What's crazy. I mean, even as these numbers, I mean, I go in almost every week just cause I'm on the campus, but like almost nobody's been coming in. Like it's been down to like the stations have like cut down, down, down to like almost like one person there. And now I think it will go up again. Yeah. We went to the Holyoke community college one yesterday and there was one car in front of us and I drove up and there was nobody there, but by the time I was done, there were five cars behind me. Oh. So Amber, I think we're recorded, right? Yeah. We are going to ever you are ready. Okay. Well, we can start, I guess, cause we're recorded. Just as we're bantering, our banter is recorded. Yeah. You have. Oh, sorry, sorry. Yeah, I was just, uh, I thought I had it, but I don't see it right now. Let's just see the pursuant to the governor's. We've all checked in and we can all hear each other. And this is being recorded. So. So soon. Yeah. We're going to be available on Amherst.gov website. So yeah, that'll, that'll do since I don't see any, um, there are, we are all here and we have no, um, public at the moment. So yeah. Okay. So we can start our meeting. Um, uh, first, are there any announcements? Um, I had a couple of announcements. Uh, I'm just, so one was that, um, I know that TSO, you know, is as far as feedback on the North Pleasant street projects. I mean, the North Pleasant street project at Kendrick park, but then they will, though they haven't asked yet, they would like our tax feedback on the North Pleasant street project that's running through campus. Um, the pedestrian stuff that we've reviewed the maps for like an earlier version of it. Um, and I believe that Guilford is presenting to the TSO on what September 30th. Guilford, is that right? On that. Ish. And then, and then it will come to TSO. I mean, it would come to attack after that. Um, but the, I guess the question is, and so they said. The TSO said that they would like our feedback on that project by like mid-October. And in the idea of having a public hearing or a public forum on that project. So I just wanted to kind of give people the heads up that they're also going to ask us for that. And they're going to want a quicker turnaround than they're asking for it for this project. Which, so that's the, um, campus to the North Hammer. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like Eastman lane. To. Right. Which I feel like we've already kind of. We have. And I mean, and I was reviewing, uh, Guilford's looking over the memo that, uh, the town manager and Guilford had sent to the council. And there's not that many details. About exactly what the plans are. So I don't feel like that would be a hard one to respond to. It seems like that project. That was my take. No, it's not. Okay. But it doesn't have funding yet, I guess. So, but your memo was just pretty short. So your memo to the council was short. That was my take. Can you hear me now? Yes. Yeah, I have a problem between teams and zoom. They don't like each other. Yes. I don't like teams. Oh, teams is the best. Okay. It is, but it messes up my zoom. I have to use both two, but. My problem. Yeah. Anyway, uh, Tracy, is there any way that you could send out that memo to us too, please? Um, yeah, it was in the packet. I'll, I'll distribute it to everyone. Um, but again, so one of the things is that the TSO hasn't. Instructed us on what they want us to look at. Yeah. Yeah. Like a heads up. Yeah. Yeah. I just want to see. And that was one actually I was wondering we can talk about it. Yeah. Yeah. And maybe that would be a good one to do like a site visit and like walk along. That stretch of North pleasant just to get a sense of the project, because it is covering a longer distance. So. Feel like we've done that. We've gone over this project. Even I did that. Oh, okay. I wasn't on the tack then. Oh, okay. Yeah, we did that. And I think it'd be worth doing again, because that is a major route. And if we, if we have the plans with us, we could then see exactly where everything's going. I think that'd be a good idea. Yeah. So you should probably schedule a site visit and then schedule it. That has to be posted to, I believe, is that right? Guilford, because members of the public might want to join us for that. It does. I mean, so my sort of take on it is that we could explore the project again, or do a site visit before it comes to us formally from TSO, because they've said it's coming. And that. Just so that we're not like a super tight timeframe. Cause I think otherwise they wanted us to turn it around, like within like one meeting or something. So. Would it be possible to schedule an extra meeting to do that? Possibly. I guess it depends. I guess it depends how busy we are. September gets a little tricky because there's also the holidays. Like there's a Rosh Hashanah Yankapur stuff. Right. Start of school. Everything gets a little crazy. Okay. What do you have? College kids grownups? I'm going to be doing a lot more driving. That's all I got to say. It seems as if we are going to have to go through our calendar a bit then because that's another agenda item. I think we're going to have to go through that. I think we're going to have to go through that. Um, because we need to kind of schedule our, um, the agenda item six is scheduling our, um, September. So that's good. Yeah, I put that on the agenda with that in mind. A couple of other announcements is. I've been in touch with that safe routes to school coordinator who presented our meeting and she has reached out to the animal schools. And she's supposed to be presenting at a meeting. So that's good. And she said she would follow up with us later. Um, and she also thought that it would be really important to have like some parents or other people like at each school. If they do want to expand who really want to kind of lead it. Right. Cause I doubt very much that the principal will be leading the efforts just cause they're so busy. Um, and I also saw in the news, we've talked about it before, but that whole like transit connection, like with Worcester, it seems that that's like up and going to be up and running soon. And, uh, I can send around. I have a, I have the article right here. I can send around like an email about it if people are interested. But it says it's all set to roll in August. It will get you from Amherst to Worcester and it only takes. Uh, it only takes almost two hours or an hour and 45 minutes or something. But it can be done. Oh, great. Are that the end of your announcement? Yeah, I think that was it. Yeah. Great. Um, and. There are no public comments at this point because there is no public. Um, Nor are we approving our minutes. So we're onto agenda item five, which is looking at, um, The, um, Kendrick Park project, um, North pleasant McClellan triangle street, that area and, um, Looking at those changes and more importantly, I mean, all equally importantly, um, looking at the TSO's request for, um, the work that they would like for us to, um, Report on. So, um, should one of us bring up that, that memo? I printed a copy. I don't know if you want me to read it. No, I mean. There seems to be two. There seems to be two copies of that memo. They're different. There's a first one and there's an updated one, right? I have one that's from July 21st. Is there one after that? I can't hear you, Tracy. Tracy, you're muted. Yeah. No, I know. I'm sorry. I was just closing windows. Um, uh, I, the, they're basically the same. I think that the one I circulated to before our last meeting, the last week's meeting was just, it just had at the top like TSO or something. Just to like make it clear. I came from the TSO and I didn't change any other text. And I saw the origin. So there was a version that Darcy had circulated. Um, came to you. And then it was shared with everyone. That's the version that was also went. TSO also sent it to the DAC. And so the street tree people and everything. The public. Since I have a printed copy, if you want me to read the questions while we look at the diagram that maybe that would be helpful. Yeah. Yeah. I know I have that one. I thought there was an earlier one. I have it here. So, um, maybe. And we just, I'm sorry, Kim, could we just show that? Um, Memo quickly so that anybody who's going to be watching this can, you know, pause the video at that point. And then we can do. Exactly what Bruce was talking about. Yeah. I guess actually that's a good question. You know, for Amber, go for it is do we have to. When we're share, when we're discussing materials at a meeting, do they have to be also available to the public? Um, we don't really do package, you know, the way the council committees do. So. The minutes need to reference the documents that were used or shared or mentioned at the meeting. So that if someone wants to then retrieve them, they know what, what they're looking for. And they can make a request of either the committee or the town clerk. Okay. So here is, you guys all can see the document out. Okay, great. So, um, the, I guess to me, the most prescient point is the, um, the whether or not we, we feel as if, um, the one, the one waste, we should have a one way street there. And, um, I think at the last meeting, who was not at the last meeting? Well, right. So it was an informal gathering that wasn't actually. The committee. I was not present for that because I was away. And I missed it too. And it is the meeting is available online. Like it's the recording is online, but. I guess the, um, in the end, I, I'll just summarize and someone can correct me if they think this is inaccurate. But I feel like the, the, um, And if you want right now, I can stop the sharing and stop, start sharing on the, um, On the other, uh, That. The schematic here. Yep. So I don't know which part is the best one. And I don't know if even this is the best document to see. Okay. So sorry. I think I don't have the right one. Do you want to share that? Actually, if you want to leave this one up and zoom in a little bit. Yeah. Okay. This is what the Cecil group proposed for the. The Kendrick park. This is their overall concept for the park. Um, so. Um, this is actually the left is to the north. And rights to the south. So sort of a big, a big group. A big green area in the north. A playground is this next piece going to south. That's a playground. Next is a oval meeting area, which could double as a ice rink or performance thing. And then you have, um, Sort of a farmer's market, um, Meeting area cells area to the very south tip. That was their overall concept. And then you see on North pleasant street, they have parking all along the street. They have angle in parking. They have parallel parking angle in peril. Parking again in parallel. And that was just parking for the park. Um, that's kind of how they set it up for people that were going to the park. And I guess at the last meeting, we were debating. Um, The utility of, of, of both this sidewalk here. And the, um, the, the, and angled in parking here. I think what we all kind of decided was that. The angled in parking here, at least part of that. Should be as there is no handicap accessible parking on the street. We thought that actually is a pretty, um, strong idea at least having some of that here. I think that we all came to agreement on that. Perhaps the other spots could remain as angled in parking. The other piece of the discussion included the fact. That currently the, um, Tractor trailers and other other people who don't want to go through this, um, Roundabout here. Do cut through this area. And if, you know, people are going to be parking and having their small children go to this park. That perhaps we should try and kind of. Cut down at the number of, of distraction points. At this particular end of the park. So currently there, there will be an intersection of crosswalks from McClellan, which leads from the neighborhoods back here. This is going to happen. Correct. Yeah. Do you want me to show the other plan that shows the. Proposed work. Yeah, sure. I will stop sharing. I know this is like, this is like that makes you wait for someone. You got to share and take your turn. This is kind of like fun sometimes. Thank you for sharing. And I think, I think most of us kind of came to the, the, um, the thought at least that maybe putting a one way, one way, at least from McClellan to, um, The other end of North pleasant would be a, I don't know, I think it's a good idea. Yeah. Everybody. Can you see my, the way I shared this time? Okay. So this is flipped. So your left side of your screen is south and the right side is north. But this, um, this. This area here is already approved. And we're going to raise the intersection and put crosswalks here. So this is already approved. For us to do this work. I'm sorry, which one is approved? My cursor. McClellan and North. Let's move in right here. Okay. What? May I ask a question? Okay. So if, if you enter from East pleasant street. You can park at that first section of the park and still go back. To East pleasant street. But if you park farther down. North pleasant street, you do have to exit. Because of me one way. Okay. That would be the idea. And, and I, I did some informed. So full disclosure, right? I live in the McClellan. Street neighborhood back there. And I was talking with a bunch of people who, you know, do things like walk their dogs along the street also have children. And, you know, And we, many, many, many of us. And this is something that I shared at the last meeting. Feel like the route. That's currently under debate about being one way. Actually, when students are here. And they're parking on the. Whatever East side, a West side of the street, which is where the green area is right now. There's currently right now there is. Permit parking on that side of the street, which right now there's nobody parking there. But when students get back, a lot of students. And then there are all the, all of the houses that you see on that side of the park are big apartment buildings. And with lots of parking in the back. So plenty of parking for those people in those, in those buildings. And the students really. Rush out onto the street as it is now. And it does because there are people parked where they don't spot. And then students are also coming from those buildings in the back, the parking lot in the back of the buildings on the street. It makes it very, very. Challenging to walk through there or. Bike through there. Like I do. So. That raises a question with the parking. Maybe this is beyond our purview, but how will the parking be managed? So students don't park there all day to walk to you mess. So that people can actually use the park. Well, they can't park there right now. I mean, so currently, right? A lot of the street is permit parking. And so you'd have to have a downtown permit parking. Downtown center permit in order to park there. And so it is possible that some students who live downtown. Are like just parking near there because it's like the closest. You know, it's not that far from the UMass campus, particularly like some of the departments. But I mean, and none of the parking. Like if, if there were parking meters at it, right? None of them would be like for a long duration. So they wouldn't be able to park there. I do. I mean, on the parking in terms of the parking management, I mean, I think it's, I mean, I don't think they've been updated since 2005, which even includes just the list of where permit parking exists. And obviously the town has changed a lot in the last 16 years. So it should all be revisited. I think. You know, I do, I mean, on the parking in terms of the parking management, I feel a little bit just based on the fact that Sean, Mungano is studying the parking now. And it seems when I looked into like the history of the permit parking program and the current regs, like I don't think they've been updated since. I don't think they've been updated. I mean, I don't think they've been updated. I don't think they've been revisited. I think. You know, what we could do as a tack is we could just sort of make our suggestions about it. And just. You know, as, as Sean Mungano and whoever else is like studying this, like these are things we want them to consider. Or something. And maybe. Like have, and if we're going to make recommendations to have softer recommendations on that piece of it. But Tim, I thought you brought up really good points about. You know, the parking. And I had mentioned last week that one of my big concerns. If parking is added on both sides of the street or, or even with those driveways is just that when, when the park is busy and. And Chris Bressup had talked about how, right, the vision, her vision of what Kendrick Park will be, or the town's current vision. Is like different when they originally were looking at redoing Kendrick Park. So back. You know, in the 2008, 2009 study that led up to the. Dryers from the Cecil group. I mean, some of the thinking then was that we want some, we want people to come to the park, but we don't want it to be a huge attractor. Like maybe, you know, 50 cards a day, like 50. Yeah. 50 cards a day or kind of thing. But what Chris was talking about as well, that the playground is only the beginning. And that then we can have like all different kinds of activities, like a lot of activities at Kendrick Park, you know, similar to stuff that happens on the common. I got that impression. And so if there really is like that much demand, just like when there are events on the common, it could get kind of crazy with the parking there. And I worry, I mean, one of my big concerns is just, I worry about if there are kids at the park and, you know, and they're playing, they're on the playground, but then they also, you know, throwing balls and frisbees and stuff. And if people run into the street, like if kids run into the street, even on that little street, but if the sight lines are really poor, and particularly I just think about, like particularly on that side with the driveways too, you know, if you, you know, if you park a bunch of like minivans and SUVs and things, like the sight lines are terrible. Like Kim, you had mentioned when you bike there, right, there's delivery trucks and other trucks. And I mean, you can't see now, and we don't have all these little kids too. You know, like if there was a big event. So one thing I was, one thing I was sort of wondering about that. And I also think it would address the concerns that I had about if we had parallel parking right next to the park. Because I do think, you know, that, that. I mean, it's really hard, like when kids are, you know, when kids are injured or hit by cars, that most of it happens, like as pedestrians or bikes, it's mainly because the drivers don't see them. Like back over crashes, like all kinds of things like that. That's a really common way that kids get hurt. And if you have parallel parking on the park side, you know, I can envision kids like running in between the cars, you know, chasing the ball or whatever. And so looking at ways to minimize that. So when we talked about last week, one of my ideas was that instead of having the sidewalk run all the way the length of North Pleasant street adjacent to the park on that side is maybe just having paths instead. Like that would direct people to mainly stay on the paths, like the paths to the crossings, the paths to the main points of interest and things like that. Because if you run the sidewalk all the way along, I can see more kids walking along that and more kids sort of darting into the road. But one thing I was wondering is that, so there's the design that has some angled parking. And so, I mean, this is something we didn't, you know, we haven't talked about as a group at all. And even at last week, but one idea was, what if there was like angled parking all along the park side and the on street parking was removed from the west side of North Pleasant street where there's all those driveways. I concur with that. Yeah. And that, and that would provide, I mean, with the angled parking, it provides more of a buffer, you know, with kids at the park, like their kids aren't going to run in between cars in the same way. And it eliminates the conflicts with all the driveways. I don't think we can say that they're not going to run in between angled parking in the same way as they, the ball goes somewhere, they're going to go. I mean, it doesn't matter whether they're parallel or angled. No, but I think it sort of matters, like it's harder to run anyway. I think if we put a path along as Guilford was suggesting, and actually Chris was suggesting, putting it into the, you know, into the road to be pushing it where we're seeing the parallel parking spots right now, that path acts as a buffer. Right. That's an obvious change in landscape to act as a, you know, you shall not go any further than this sort of thing to kids. I mean, it's hard to, for kids to understand, I can't go anywhere when, when there is, you know, no change between the road and the landscape. Right. Now I have a footpath and there is an obvious change in the, you know, in what's going on. And it just acts as that little extra. Oh, hang on, because I mean, we've got to have an issue all the way around this part. Right. I mean, yes, the North Pleasant Street is not very great. But what about Triangle Street? Now we have cars moving at a much far greater speed along Triangle Street. It doesn't matter about sight lines at that point in time. You know, we, if anything, we've got a balance about how we're trying to fix one part with what we're doing against another part, you know, we need to have a more holistic vision of what's going on here. I think, I think it would be very useful to address your points because there are natural kind of like playways and even like, you know, currently lots of people play there. I do too. And that open space where the park is where the new playground is what's really nice is all the playground is on the, the East Pleasant side. There's a big hill with nothing quite inviting on the North Pleasant side of that parkway. And so I think it would behoove us all to really take a look at that before we get too far in the weeds with, we think things should be, but I think we can all agree on one point, which is that making North Pleasant one way is probably a good idea. I would agree with that. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I support that as long as we explicitly say that we want to make sure that there's traffic calming measures. You know, for example, I mean, so Guilford has. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. You've been talking about bike lanes, but I mean, Guilford was talking about the improvements, you know, the pedestrian improvements at McClellan Street. And then Guilford and you had mentioned that there could also potentially be like another crossing further north on North Pleasant Street. Can we put multiples in? I mean, if we're going to have that path bummed out, right? Right. I mean, I mean, I think it immediately creates this opportunity to have those calming crosswalks and channels. And I think the more of those you have to, like if there was still, you know, truck traffic or anybody, I mean, I do worry about time in terms of, because the road, like if there's only one way traffic, so basically one lane, and there are times of day and times of year, I mean, I mean, I think it's just when the students aren't around or, you know, in the middle of winter or something where there aren't going to be that many people necessarily parking at that parking. I mean, I walk in that area. I don't live as close as Kim, but I still walk in that area quite a bit. And a lot of times there's almost nobody in any of that parking. Right. Even the metered parking. And so I do worry about, you know, those times of day and those times of years, but I do worry about time in terms of, you know, I mean, if there's only one lane of traffic going north and then no counter traffic that that could encourage some people to speed. So if we do have the, um, the crosswalk, the improved crosswalk and safety traffic calming on McLean street, and then we also had something north, then that would really deter that people from doing that. Do you mean raised crosswalks? Right. I mean, it's not just raised crosswalks, but also they have the bump out like Island effects on each end. Right. So they. Not just straight across. They would channel traffic or look. Like the. Yeah. I mean, so Guilford, um, the McLean, it does include raised crosswalks. Right. So then, I mean, if you have raised crosswalks there, even at times of day and times of year, when there aren't as many people parked on the street that just having the race crosswalk there will slow people down. Yeah, I don't, I really don't think traffic is. I mean, even when, when there's no parking on that street, it's. That the driving is not an issue when there, when no, no students are around. I mean. But you had said that vehicles sometimes go really fast. No. I, I just feel like it gets really busy when there is also, when students are there and there's parking on the one side. Trucks and traffic going in both. And now there are, is the P, you know, the, the. The Guilford's people are all over there on the other side of the street. Oh boy. Not those people. All of the DPW people are parking on the, yeah, which is fine. The playground. Right. Yeah. All kinds of mess over there, you know, but that. That's not even so bad because there's no parking on that street. It's really the sightlines like. Right. Talking about that really dangerous. Well, so, I mean, that was why I suggested maybe looking at, I mean, the reason, I mean, one reason I had suggested the angled parking on the other side of the street is because angled parking would allow you to use more, create more spaces because that's one of the things. You know, that was one of the things that was trying to be done with changing it to one way. But it would also eliminate those potential conflicts. So I mean. There was also, so if we put in the angle parking, we put in the, the, um, or we don't, we don't put it in. If we suggest. If we start from the park. West. We suggest that they move, you know, that they have a footpath all the way along. Because it's got to be there just because of the topography. We then suggest the angled parking. Because you can get more cars in that way. Anyway. We suggest the raised crosswalks, which would reduce some spots, but whatever. I mean, that's more for the site lines and to slow traffic down. Then we'd also talked about removing the green strip on the far side. Well, that's in the town. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Sorry. We've been discussed. And I think that that kind of goes hand in hand. With the use of the angle parking. Because I don't think you could fit the angle parking. And even a one way street with some form of things. And then if we do that, we do the angle parking on one side. The street. Remove the green strip that actually allows us. For us much safer. Right. Because then there's, then they're not competing with any traffic. It's a very. And it'll also remove the bikes from the footpath on that side. I mean, because. Yeah. And you can also see like one of my issues and other people's issues are, you know, the cars coming out. If we remove, remove the parking on the, where near the green strip currently, then you can see the cars. Everyone can see the coming off of. From the driveways that are currently there. Yeah. That's true. Sorry. I've got to get rid of the sunshine that's behind my head. Wow. With the. The storms just coming. I guess. I mean, I get, I mean, can we, I guess we could talk about the different points and. You know, as we go. As we send our recommendations back to the TSO. I mean, it might suggest that we vote on different elements, unless we all agree on all of them. But just to sort of break it down like point by point, right? So if I look at this decision document, it says. Should North Pleasant street be one way from McClellan to triangle. Well, it says to allow for more parking, but. I mean, let's just. I think that. We were talking about it for other reasons too. Intrude in potential traffic calming. And so that's something we all agree on. Then, you know, we can note that. When we write it up for TSO. Yeah. And maybe. And maybe even like occasionally take some votes. Like I would like to, you know, if we wanted. I would like to just have a. Our recommendation or our vote actually be like in terms of. That we support it going to one way street. Like if the traffic calming is added and so on. Both at McClellan street. And so that's something we all agree on. Then we can note that when we write it up for TSO. Yeah. So that's something that we all agree on. That the traffic calming is added and so on. Both at McClellan street and then. And if that other additional crosswalk is. Pursued. So. Okay. Do we agree with that? Yeah. Yes. And I think another thing that we pretty unanimous unanimously agreed on at least since the last meeting we worked discussing this was. You know, the two way street having some. Accessible handicap accessible. Front end parking there. Yeah. Sorry. So if you do, if you do do. Angle in parking for handicapped accessibility in the section between McClellan and Halleck. If you have the two choices either go into the park with the parking or you get rid of the green strip on the other side. So you don't cut into the park. So that's something to think about. Okay. Okay. So. And when you talk about angle in parking, you might as well think about, do you want it. Angle in or back in. True. Well, I mean, we could even just. I mean, maybe we could even go ahead, Kim. Sorry. Could someone explain, can you explain what the, like the nuances between those really? I mean, I don't. I mean, I understand what it means for a car, but at like, what are, what are. So why do people use one over the other? I mean, I can explain some of the thinking about it and actually. So they're concerned sometimes with angled in parking that. They're concerned with that. But I think that people then are like backing out and they don't have like clear sight lines when they're backing out into traffic. And. So studies have shown that. Back in parking is safer in terms of like the number of accidents and so on. But. You know, I think that's the issue. And that so some people say that back in angled parking is better because then when you're exiting the angle parking, you're exiting forward and not backward. You're not backing out into flowing traffic. And then also, you know, if you're using the chunk of your car and so on, it's all like on the. Non street side. You know, in terms of access. I think that's the issue. I think that's the issue. I think the other thing is that people, most drivers do not drive back up that much. Like most drivers spend less than 5% of their time backing up. Some vehicles, newer vehicles. I think it's like 2018 or 2019. And newer have backup cameras, but there's a lot of cars that don't have those. And some people that do have them don't really know how to use them so much. I mean, I mean, when I've observed the downtown back in parking, that's like in front of Judy's right now. I mean, there are a few people who like back in like beautifully, but there's also a lot of people who like angle around it back and forth. I feel like the front and angled parking is just much more familiar to people. I think it would also be safer with a, with a playground, right? So you're driving in and you'll be more clearly if there are people that drive back and forth. So I think, I think I was discussing the point that I was trying, I was trying to come to some unanimous, some unanimous decision about, about the handicap accessible spots only. That's all I was. Okay. This point. And so, because I think that was something that we all agreed needed to be, should be part of this part. So I wonder if we should ask the excessive people who have accessibility. Who are, who, who need that kind of parking, what they, what, what the pros and cons are. But before that, Guilford had a question. No, just a comment. This one pointed out to me, which I didn't think too much of because I don't have little ones anymore. I don't know. I don't know. But when you angle in parking and you pull in and you open the doors, the doors block egress to the sidewalk. They only allow egress backwards towards the road. And the person was like, well, yeah, you know, you, you back in angle parking. When you open the doors, the kids are blocked from going towards the road. They have to go towards the sidewalk, which I, that's a really good point. I mean, you're getting three kids out of the car. Can't stand there. Some of them is going to start working towards the door. Yeah. The person was, I never thought of that. The person pointed it out to me. So that's good. So I mean, one thing I was thinking about is that. Like with angled parking, like I think about look park, for example, like the driveway. The path around look park. That they use front in angled parking. And, and also right downtown. And there's a lot of kids there, of course. And then also downtown North Hampton uses front in angled parking. And so I mean, I was curious, and I didn't have a chance to look into it more about like, does look park have issues with people? I mean, we could leave that part. In our recommendations, we can leave it a little ambiguous and just say that we recommend angled parking as a way to make the parking only on one side of the street and also add sufficient spaces. But I would actually second. Guilford's point, because with my kids, I have had that issue in the past where you, you know, you're opening a door, you're putting them down and you're trying to get something out or whatever you need to do to, you know, to hang out in the doorway. And they, they're only place is towards the main road. So yeah, it is a much better thing, but then you've got to balance it with, you know, like I was pointing out, you're backing into a space that you don't necessarily know to your point, Tracy, you know, people aren't really looking back properly. If that, you know, a kid could just run into there and then then you've got a little bit of a sandwich going on. So yeah. Also think about strollers and things too. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's easier to get out of that stuff. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. So Guilford, do you think that in terms of, like the number of, like, do you, would, do you see problems if the parking is removed on that? The West side of North pleasant street and is substituted, like with angled parking. No, you'll get actually get more spaces. If you get rid of the West side parking and you angle the entire link. Okay. That's what we're wondering. Yeah. Cause the driveways. And if you, and especially between McClellan and triangle, if you put the sidewalk in the road, you'll have the whole length can be back in spaces or front in spaces. Okay. Another mother, just another funny note, another mother had just got back from spending the last two, she actually, she's a grandmother. She spent the last two months in Hawaii in the Honolulu. And they don't have angle in parking. It's all back in parking. Yeah. Well, it's back in angled parking. Is that what you're saying? Angle parking. Oh, so, um, so I think that, so. Um, it sounds like that's something, there's a lot of reasons to do that. Um, for the reasons that we've mentioned. And Guilford, what, what I heard you say, and I'm just repairing it back to make sure I understood is that that if you do angled parking, if you have the whole length of it, then, and we just get rid of it on the other side that we've actually added more spaces and under the parking, parallel parking on both sides of the street. And we've also, and we've also eliminated the conflict. So, I mean, that seems like win-win. Except the only drawback rate is, and potentially is, is the loss of that green space right now. And, um, on the other side. Um, but I think that if traffic is going to load, it will feel as safe walking on the sidewalk on the other side. It's not going to be great. Separate. Great. So there will still be, I mean, they'll either be the asphalt curve or the granite. So that there won't be, you know. No, I don't know if we all, are we talking about the sidewalk on the west side? Yes. I mean, we're talking about the green space. I mean, that's what Gilford was suggesting that we need to do that, which, you know, currently, like I said, there are two uses of that. As far as I can tell right now, that green space. One is pizza boxes. And, and, you know, beer cans. The other is dog waste, which, you know, I mean dogs like to poop on that part too, which people clean it up. But I'm just saying that's one other thing that, you know, happens on that green space right now. So I mean, so the other thing is visually on that side of the street, like almost all of those properties have green space, like in front. No, but they have, but in front of the residential buildings, there's like, yeah, there's setback. That's what I meant. So like visually. Yeah, it would still be green. Yeah. So I was reminded by the tree warden that he would probably not plant trees, even though we show trees in this picture, he would probably not, he would not plant trees in that green space because there's a gas line in that green space. He thinks that's what killed most of the trees that were there. And also wouldn't that impact the sidewalk and things that doesn't seem like so great to have them adjacent to the sidewalk. In the trees. Yeah. In that little. Yeah, but we wouldn't, he wouldn't want to plan there because he'd be afraid of the grass, the gas main killing them. Got it. If we stop the gas main from leaking, it shouldn't be a problem. Right. Okay. So the, so the, going back to the decision points, right. So the first question was should North pleasant street be one way from a client to triangle. And so we're green. Yes. Yes. And I don't know. I mean, do we, do we have to do that? Yeah. And then the question is, so one of the counselors did ask about whether it should be southbound and not northbound. I don't, I mean, it seems that most of the traffic would be coming from the town center. So it makes sense for it to be northbound. Is there. Is there any other reasons we see for it? I mean, is there any reason we see for it to be southbound? Well, good. Yeah. So the reason it's northbound is so that as you drive. As you leave. If you get up, can you see my cursor? No. No, I can't see it either. Hold on. All right. As you leave. And if you're going northbound. And you want to turn left, but the traffic's too heavy for left. You can make a right turn. Go through the roundabout change direction, go left. If you're actually trying to do it the other way. And you're coming from triangle street to make a left turn into here, which would be the only way to enter. You have to wait for all this traffic to change. There's no easy way to make this left turn. So that's why we chose northbound was that if you. If it was busy, you can make the right turn. Go through the roundabout the change direction. There is no easy way to do that on triangle street. You would just have to sit there and wait until someone lets you turn left. Oh, I see. Right. Yeah. That's a good point. And so I agree with Tracy. And I think. If you're coming from downtown. You would be naturally going north. I think if you change it to southbound, that would encourage more traffic to take a shortcut from UMass over to. To East pleasant street. Well, I would think it would encourage shortcuts. I would think it would encourage more traffic to take a shortcut. Right. I can see people leaving campus and just like cutting that way. I mean, I. I drive that way. Myself. It does. I mean, people take shortcuts now. Right. Of course. The one way. North. Makes good sense. Angled parking. Makes good sense because we're actually adding spaces and people. So, so in one question that came up at the council too, was that people were asking. The TSO was asking about. If it's northbound, like if there should be. A no left turn sign. On the northbound to end. So that people. I mean, some people can't turn left to go to UMass. I don't think so. So, I mean, I would say that. I mean, to Gilford's point, like, right. There are certain times of the day when I'm sure it's hard to turn left to go to the north. I mean, there are certain times of the day when I'm sure it's hard to turn left to go to the north. It makes peak UMass times, but then just like I was talking about just the traffic in this area in general. There's also a lot of times. When there's not that much traffic, you know, like on the weekends and when the students aren't there and things like that, like right now. And I think it would be really inconvenient. And I, I've. I've tried this a couple of times just to see what it looks like on the roundabout and come back. It's not a far distance, but it just seems super inconvenient. Like particularly when there's times of day when there's no other traffic. She like, why am I stuck doing this? So I think that if there was going to be a left turn there, that it could. It could be. I mean, it could be limited to certain hours, but then that gets really complicated too. I mean, you've got enough space for a left turn, making it one way. You've got enough space for a left turn, and a right turn lane. And if people figure out that they're sitting there for long enough, they'll go right and go around the roundabout and back again. As someone who regularly takes that. Journey. If I do on my. In my car. There's never. You wait maybe with one person. It's never about, it's never. Okay. I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to. I mean, and I go, if I were taking my car, I would go on, you know, at peak. Times. And there were some members of the public to who were talking about the, I'm sorry, back to the south one thing, but like that trucks from UMass, I cut through now. So they can't do that if we're all northbound. So we agree that it's. Really good idea. Yeah. Yeah. I think. Okay. I think it will be fine. I think it will also be fine with people from the. Community that are directed by. Okay. All right. So we, I think we agree on that. And then. And so, I mean, I don't really care about the green, the grass belt on the west side. I take it or leave it. It doesn't add much, but I think. If we want to add additional things to the road. And you've had suggested the bike lanes and so on. And I think that's a good idea. Yeah. I think that's a good idea. Like if you take it out, you have some of that. Ability to add those things later. I think Gelford said we kind of need to get rid of that if we do. If there is an angled. Yeah. Oh yeah. We would need to get rid of it, but we also, but Gilbert also told us if we have an angled parking all the way along that we've created the same number of space. No. We win. Yeah. Of course. I think that's a good idea. You know, that, that checks off. And then in terms of the angled parking for the disabled community, like handicap placards, I think that if we're going to have angled parking all the way along. That there's a lot of flexibility in where the. Handicap parking could be situated, right? It could be in any of those angled parking spaces. We do. Angled parking before the one-way part and then, because that might be more flexible for certain. And then angled parking at. The beginning of the one-way part, you know, on either. Can we, can we put that to the disabled committee? We have a couple of proposals here. Absolutely. I think it would be nice to have. I think it would be nice to have closer access. For just, you know, if you just. Near the park, but at the same time, if we provide. You know, a, an asphalt walkway. From dedicated spots that are on that two-way side. What is the drawback? I mean, and I would hope that they would be able to tell us. You know, we only like to, you know, we're hoping it's within so many feet and all this sort of stuff. But I think if we can provide some options. And get their feedback, then we can kind of. Taylor things. Yeah. So. You also need to think that folks who have disability stickers don't always need adaptive, highly adapted vehicles. They don't need. Very true. Yeah. You know, thinking of my, thinking of my late father. I mean, all the adaptation that he needed was inside the vehicle. But having an ease of access and having a crosswalk or having a path to travel on made him much easier for him to. Yeah. So I mean, I think that, so the disability access advisory committee was also sent the decision points from the TSO. And they are meeting next week and they will be discussing the project. So, I mean, I think it makes sense to defer to them on their needs. I was under the same impression as Marcus that. To have. You know, for highly adapted vehicle parking, like angle parking all the way on the south end of the park seems pretty far from the playgrounds. Like I think it should just be at the, I mean, we could even just note in our recommendations that it should be like where it's convenient for the population. And. And some people, it would be nice. I think. Just, you know, because there are also children with significant. Disabilities. Who might have highly adapted vehicles. Like if there was with the angle parking. It can accommodate like if you add some extra space, right? It can accommodate. Like a wheelchair ramp or a lift or something. And that, that would just make the, even the playground, like much more accessible too. Right. But if we, we might need multiple places, right? So yes. We have the park. The kids playground. Right. But that Southern end. Yeah. So I think we should make a suggestion because we've thought about these things. And we can throw it over to the. Yeah. Disability services. The disabilities. Group. Because I think having it on. To me. The most sense is having it on both sides of the. Of the McClellan intersection. So. Yeah. So I think we should make a suggestion because we've thought about these things. And we can throw it over to the. Yeah. So I think the most sense is having it on both sides of. Of the McClellan intersection where there's accessibility. And to both kind of the kids, the park. On the one newly created one way part. So I think we should make a suggestion. And I think we should make a suggestion. That. And that McClellan intersection. On the south end of the park, which will, you know, those two places at least seem to be the places where. The most. Activity and things that both adults and children will be. Definitely. Can we, I think. Make a suggestion. Just like, here's our idea. And then. Yeah. They won't think they won't understand. of what we're talking about in terms of the front in part, well, the angle parking north of McClellan and that sort of thing. So if we can at least make them aware what our thoughts on the recommendations are, they don't have to be our final recommendations. They can improve their thinking. Yeah, I mean, Guilford, so like for you were, in terms of what you need from the council, to move forward and get this project like on the project list for next year and look for money and all those kind of factors, right? Like decisions about like this detail about, you know, where exactly there should be handicap parking. Like they don't need to be made. Like immediately, I mean, you would just like it just, and it seems that at this point that maybe even just like there will be ankle parking and there will be some spaces, you know, with handicap accessibility, including some with like adaptive vehicles or something. Yes, we actually push back on having angle or not angle, parallel parking, handicap parallel parking in town. So if you're saying it's angle in or back in, the whole length of the road, we can put handicap spaces like two pairs of handicap spaces all down the road if we want to, it would work really well. Okay, great. Okay, so I'm now looking back at our decision points here. And it looks like, like informally, we have gone through several of them including the roadway decision, should it be one way? And I think we've kind of come to that agreement. And in the south northbound direction, sorry, I always have to think about that. And the parking, we've kind of come to an agreement on that at least and should, and about the permit parking. So the next, do you guys, sorry, should I show this list again? Well, now, yeah, so I think I, do people have the list still? If you want to pull that, that's great. I have the list in front of me. I mean, so there's a couple of things with the decision points in terms of the parking, it says should 25 on street parallel parking spaces be added. So one, I mean, I even told some of the people on the TSO that it seemed kind of weird to have, as a decision point, should there be 25 of them? I mean, I really leave that to like the design and so on, like it should be calculated as what makes sense. And that the question about the permit versus not permit, I mean, I do, I think we can say that you live in the area, Kim, and that it doesn't, we don't see like who is being served by the permit parking on this street. And that if all the parking is metered parking, then it's accessible to the public. So I think that that's something that, in the town's revisiting of the permit parking program, and where permit parking is allowed, that that should be reviewed. I don't, I personally think that we could just say that that's where we recommend that we're not making that decision. Yeah, no, it's not the decision. No, of course, yeah. There will be few things that will be frustrating to people if they show up to use the park and find that permit parking is assumed. Right, exactly. So I would, yeah, it's okay to say that the town's restiting permit parking and that should drive it, but I think the suggestion should be made that this is the park designed to be accessible to people throughout the day. Yeah. I agree with Bernie. I think it should not be permit parking. If there would be any permit parking, if there could be parking created along East Pleasant Street along part of that section of the park, which also would slow down traffic on East Pleasant Street, too. That's a very good point, actually. And I mean, the other thing is just who, like if the permit parking continues to be there, I mean, yes, I think you're right, Bernie, that if people come to the park and those spaces are taken and then there's all these free permit spaces, that's not great, but then also who is parking in the permit parking spaces? You know, I mean, I support getting rid of permit parking there. I don't think that the residents need it. I mean, maybe some of the people in some of the apartments or maybe students who are commuting who want to park there. It doesn't seem necessary. I think, you know, we can defer to the town. I was looking at that, but just say from our point of view, it doesn't seem necessary. And there's some problems with it. So. Right, that's fair. And then also too, then we're also addressing the town's need for where the town is trying to create additional on-street parking because we're maximizing the publicly available on-street parking by removing the permitted spaces. Yeah. Right, exactly. And Guilford, did you have something you needed, wanted to add? So we have in town started this thing where we have permit spaces that also have meters. So over by the Lord Jeff on Spring Street, there's a section of, there's a row of parking which is metered and permitted downtown permit. But the downtown permit is meant to be for people who work downtown, give them a place to park without having to park too far away or trying to get them out of the spaces that are metered. So that's why it was downtown parking. But we do have, we have done downtown parking permit with meters recently. So that might be something if you wanna say that's a possibility because... Okay. Guilford on East Pleasant Street. It could be. I mean, we have parking on East Pleasant Street now on the side next to the businesses. But if you wanted to move it to the other side, you'd have more spaces and you can make it like that as well. Could it be on both sides? It's a little tight for both sides. We would actually probably lose the bike lane if we did that. Yeah. I think it should be the one side. But I guess that's an interesting thing, Guilford. We could say that that's a consideration. I mean, one thing would be how is the permit parking program gonna be structured in the future? Like currently, right? It's only nine to five p.m. September through May, Monday through Friday. And so, for example, it isn't at night, right? You don't need a permit. It isn't on the weekends. It isn't the whole summer when the UMass students are gone. And so, I mean, in terms of all the kind of peak times that the public would be using those spaces, it seems that there wouldn't be a huge conflict with the permit parking program because people aren't gonna be coming there during the day when their kids are in school and that kind of thing. So, I mean, we could mention that. I think it's a little complicated for people if it's both, but I mean, if the town wants to continue to have permit parking there, that could be an option, maybe. Well, how many permit parking spaces are there now? Does anybody know? Guilford, do you know? He's counting. 20. Oh, 20 on this street though, right? Okay. On the street. But there also are metered parking on that street. On the south end. Correct. Yeah. Well, how about if we would recommend that with the new parking on the North Pleasant Street, the head-in parking, if that's how it's gonna be, that a certain percentage be kept as permit, but depending on how many spaces there are all together, you know, a certain percentage not all of them, you know. And, you know, likely what we would suggest is that the ones closest to the university and furthest away from the interesting things in the park be those dual parking. Correct. That would make sense. Yeah. I mean, I think they can look at that and we can suggest it. So, you're suggesting that the permit parking, they stay closest to the university, Kim, is that what you were saying? Like where they are now, sorta? Well, they are, no, but- Oh, but they're going along all the way to the street. And I should add, there is one complicated, there is one house that is owned by a person who lives in it on the north end of the park and they have a very shallow driveway. And my guess is that they are actually use the permit parking in front of their house for- I've seen cars parked there actually. Yeah, a lot. Yeah. And so maybe, you know, so that is the only, as far as I can tell, that's the only real residential parking. They don't have parking in the back, like everybody else does. So, that is one, you know, maybe keep that one reason to keep that permit parking at the north. The very north end, yeah, that makes sense, that's fine. I think that'd be fine. Yeah. I mean, there's only a certain capacity really at the kids playground thing anyway. So, if we make everything, pardon me. And honestly, yeah, the metered parking that's at the south end of the park is highly underutilized. I mean, I don't ever see it full ever, except maybe for events at the park. No, but people do park at the metered parking on Halleck. That seems like that's pretty full. Yes. It's metered parking too. The interesting too is that if there are permit parking spaces that aren't getting used a lot, and then the public is parking there, say on the weekends or at night or during the summer when the permit parking isn't enforced, then they're not using the meters. So then the town isn't generating revenue. Yeah. But they could be generating, not that that's our focus, but just... Well, you know, I mean, I was actually about to, are we gonna provide a special training spaces for the driving school that's there? Because they have certain driving spaces out there marked up ready. That's true. Well, those are metered parking. Well, they need to start actually learning how to use the meter. They all have to figure out what they call it. They all have to. So I've actually worked closely with the driving school before on driving studies, both the teen drivers and older drivers. And we've used their cars in our UMass studies. I did actually contact the driving school owner who I know pretty well just to ask like if they had any opinion, but I haven't, I never heard back from them, but... I'm actually, I'm officially a driving instructor myself. Oh, yeah. They can go over to Hallux Street. Oh yeah, right. And they also, they use that whole, they use North Pleasant Street and McClellan for actually the state driving tests, like when the R&D examiners come and they get their, the driving students get their license. No, it's not our thing. I have to worry about that. I mean, that's outside, I mean. Yeah, of course. So would we, would someone like to kind of formulate a, to put something forward for us to vote on? Sure. We can amend it if someone wants to make a motion. I'm sorry, Kim, I just asked one question. Did we resolve about the sidewalk? Are we going to... Yeah, we need to talk a little more about the sidewalk. I'm happy to write something up. Like I've taken notes and I started drafted a memo. But I think what we should do is actually have motions for each of the questions. That's what I was going to say too. But can we talk, but we're pretty much in unanimous agreement, I think for each of the elements, except for I, I want to go back to this question about do we need a sidewalk all along the west side of the park? So just in, in interest of time, because we don't have, we have 15 more minutes, Tracy. And I think it would be excellent if we could vote on a few things. And yes, of course, we still have the other, the sidewalk issue to deal with. And that may impact our other votes, but in the interest of moving things forward and making sure we get something accomplished, you know, get some voting done on topics that I feel like we've addressed pretty thoroughly. How about if we make some motions? And I agree with whomever said this that we should maybe just vote on each component separately. I think that's a good idea and it makes it clear to the TSO and the council like how we felt about the different parts. So here's a draft motion. We recommend, is that how you do a motion? Anyway, we recommend changing North Pleasant Street from McClellan to Triangle Street to a one-way street going northbound if traffic calming measures are added to slow down traffic. Second. Any other discussion? Amendments? No. Okay, so all those in favor, say aye. Aye. All those, I think that was unanimous. So, okay. So that's a five-zero vote. Five-zero votes on favor and favor. Five-zero vote on favor of that. And just for laterally, it wasn't on a decision point, but just to be clear, so we can say, I don't know, if there's things we don't recommend, we still need to put on them, but we say we don't support creating a left turn restriction at Triangle Street. We would make a motion to do that because we have to amend the original one if you wanted to add that to it. No, I mean, I'm saying, but we're going to, I thought we were voting on each of the parts separately. Yes, yes. So I would say. But wait, is that, I don't see that as a decision. It wasn't a decision. I don't know why it wasn't on there because I know at least half of the TSO committee like brought it up. Okay, that's fine. I think we can just clarify it. We can just mention it. I mean, there's, you know, we've got really good consensus on these points. Yeah, I think so. So I think if you just wanted to say, as parenthetically, in whatever gets sent to the TSO. Yes. We don't see the need for a left turn only at the end of. Absolutely. Okay. So we can say that. We'll just say that. Yes. Without need for a left turn lane. Okay. Left turn only lane. Okay, great. And I feel like we also kind of implicitly said if so, so they're saying it shouldn't be northbound. If so, should safety features be added such as raise crosswalks and that we included that in our. Yes. Yes, we did. Okay. Right. And I can put in the narrative, just that one that Guilford had suggested could be added. We're leaving some of this open. You know, we said traffic calming measures. Of course. Do we want to do don't, you don't want to make this mistake of being too prescriptive here. No, but I think that one thing is we can take votes on the general motion, like traffic calming measures. And then just in our narrative, we can say, you know, because we've talked about with Guilford about adding an additional crosswalk as an example, but we're not taking a vote on those elements. That's right. That's just our narrative to accompany our vote. That's correct. Okay. As far as the second decision point about parking, would someone like to suggest to make, to put into words what our next vote will say? Yeah. Can I, I would suggest that we move that the TAC recommends that the town move to put angled parking on the East side of North Pleasant Street only or across the whole length of East of North Pleasant Street. I see. North Pleasant. Yeah. North Pleasant. Yeah. Sorry. I mean, I guess, that's a good record. We move that the town place angled parking along the East side of North Pleasant Street along the length where possible. And do we want to say anything just as an amendment to that as far as metered parking or do we want to not say that? I think that shouldn't be in the original motion. But I think we could also add something to the motion that says, we recommend the town place angled parking along the East side of North Pleasant Street. I guess we could even say like from McClellan to Triangle or we could even say from Halleck to Triangle. Yeah. And remove the parallel parking spaces on the East side. I mean, the West side of North. That's implicit in the fact that we say only, right? Oh, right. Well, I didn't hear the only. I'm sorry. But why don't we just make it also like clear that we want that other part of the time? Yeah, yeah. So we can, yeah, we can motion then that the town move to develop angled parking along only along the East side of North Pleasant Street from Halleck to Triangle where possible. Yeah. And that no parking be available on the West side of North Pleasant Street. Okay. That motion sounds brilliant to me. All those in favor. We have to do a second. Oh, sorry. I'm sorry. Three seconds. Second did. All those. Sorry. Any more discussion? Bruce, yes. Sorry. No, I was going to say aye. Oh, all those in favor. Aye. Aye. Again, another. Five zero vote. Okay. I'm not sure. I'm not sure I have the language like this. Exactly. Yeah. Let me, oh. But here, I'll just, here's what I wrote. The attack recommends that the town place angled parking along the East side of North Pleasant Street from Halleck to Triangle Street. Where possible. Yeah. Well, I, or where as appropriate or as appropriate. Yeah. As appropriate is much better. Because I want it to be safe as well. And remove the parallel parking on the West side of North Pleasant Street. Yep. Or, sorry, on this section of West Pleasant Street. Yeah. And I thought we might also move on the creation of new handicap accessible parking on that. Should we wait until we talk to the, the. I thought we just might move on the creation of new. Yes. Handicap. Okay. Yeah. So, so we could say the attack recommends that some of the new angled parking spaces be dedicated for handicap parking. And that said handicap parking be placed as appropriate, you know, and determined with consultation with the DAC. Yeah, I was just going to say, say in consultation. Right. So I think we should vote. I think that would be an appropriate motion to be seconded. Second. All those in favor of this vote and say aye. Aye. Aye. Great. And another five to zero vote. Okay. So I think we've done most of it. And we still have nine minutes. So. And the other thing too is that the, so what's happening is that TSO wants to receive input, written input from the TAC, the DAC, the street tree, the public shake tree committee. I don't know if there's any other committees. And then they ask it all that be submitted to them by, I think by like September 20th or 21st. And that then they would consider that at their TSO meeting on the 23rd. And they would then set a public hearing because it's involving parking, the council needs to have a public hearing and that they would then set a public hearing for October. Okay. But I think I really liked the idea, particularly we have other projects coming up too. And so I liked the idea of getting a lot of this like offer plate. I'm going for it. You want to make a motion about removing the green space on the west side? Oh yes, I was just thinking about that. Yeah. Can I make that motion? I would like to make the motion move the town, remove the green space on the west side of North Pleasant Street between Halleck and Triangle Street to enable the parking as proposed. And then also I guess too, do we want to say something about bike lanes or something? No, I think that's kind of... Well, or maybe we could have a separate motion. Yeah, I think we need to... I mean, I like the idea of having... I don't think it's a core part of this and that's not a decision point. That's not something TSO thought about. But yes, go for it. You didn't vote about the sidewalk. Did you bring the sidewalk in there? No, not yet. No. Yeah. Okay. So the motion is to remove the green space on... Yeah. Actually, can I refine the motion because it's the green space between the sidewalk on the west side of North Pleasant Street and North Pleasant Street. Yeah. Just to make sure that we're clear that we're not taking anybody's setback. All right. So that is to create... To create space for the intended parking plan. Could you say intended parking plan and possibly a bike lane? Yeah. Yeah, sure. I'd like to have a bike lane. And possibly a bike lane. Yeah. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, yeah. We'll give you that. I'll second that. Second, Bruce. All those in favor? Aye. Again, another unanimous... If only we were running the U.S. Congress. Yeah. Excellent. And... Oh, then we want to talk about the motion for the crosswalk. Not the crosswalk, sorry, the... Cycle sidewalk. Yeah. Right, sidewalk. But I feel like that's a larger... Bigger issue. Yeah. And we can also, I guess to... So one question I had for DAC that I hope they'll bring up at their next meeting is the question about accessibility and how important the sidewalks are. I mean, so as I had indicated previously, like I didn't... I still don't fully support the idea of having a sidewalk on both sides of North Pleasant Street on that section. I don't think it's necessary. I would prefer to have... It's a lot of paved area that then has to be maintained. And I'd prefer to have paths like through the park, the dotted lines and just focus those and then have sidewalks where needed, perhaps like as we were talking about on the south end. It is proposed on the plans, right? It is that dotted line. Can I... Yeah. Can I just say something though? Yeah. So along Main Street, along Sweetser Park, there used to be parking meters and then there were supposed to be grass and then the sidewalk and people would get out of their cars and they would keep walking across that grass and Guilford would be well aware of this because they corrected it a few years ago. It all became a sea of mud. And then the sidewalk was added and now that's problem's been resolved. Wait, but Kendrick Park doesn't have a sidewalk on one side. They have it on the Main Street side. Yeah, but what we're saying is we're putting parking in so we're going to have people going from the road onto the park. But I guess the thing is, I guess it depends to the extent to which people are parking there. So in the case of Sweetser Park, like it's right next to Ann Willen and things. So it's got a lot of people parking from there. But I think about the common, like the main common downtown and that how a lot of the parallel parking spaces that are there currently, right? They don't have sidewalks next to them. Like people park their cars and... Yeah, but keep in mind that the common isn't used nearly as much as this park is intended for you. And I would look to somewhere like Groff Park, right? The amount of traffic that the play area at Groff Park generates. And the parking there is full pretty much all of the time and the majority of people are at the playground. So I think anything that we put on the north, on the west side of North President will get used and that will be their focus at least for the time being. But Marcus, to your example of Groff Park, right? So Groff Park doesn't have sidewalks like at Jason Park. No, it doesn't. I'm saying in terms of the amount of parking, right? The use of the parking. They have spaces in the way. Guilford, sorry. Me and sidewalks are coming to Groff Park. They are. Awesome. Where are the sidewalks coming to Groff Park? OK. Well, the first leg is a go from the intersection of West Street up to Groff Park entrance. And then once we get there, the next part of the project is to put a sidewalk that goes all the way back to the concession stand and tie into the sidewalk at the park. I mean, so I guess one question that I have is just if it's laid out with angled parking, and then we also want to have bike lanes and things. And I mean, I would put a higher priority on designating that than pushing the sidewalk, I mean, than having a sidewalk. That I mean, we do, if there is going to be a sidewalk because of concerns with the trees, it sounds like the sidewalk would need to be where the road currently is. Right. That's the whole point of taking the green space on the other side of the way. But the other reason we're taking away the green space on the other side is also because we also want to have like bike lanes and other. Right. But that wouldn't be possible. I would suggest that the whole we've been speaking about the things like, you know, pedestrian and child safety getting out of cars. If we're getting because, you know, we talked about whether we wanted to back in or front in because you want to get from the street to where you're going as quickly as you can. If there is no path there, then where are you going? You're going back into the street to walk along the street to go to where you need to be. Because if the whole point is the trees, but also the topography of that region there, it's, you know, slowly steep banked in some places the way we wouldn't be able to just park and walk onto the onto the park straight away. So you're pushing people back out onto the road to get, you know, to wherever they need to be and not being able to access a place that's away from traffic straight away. Yeah, I agree. And I just think it just makes so much sense to have a sidewalk at the north end of the park. It just, it's the perimeter. You're sorry, on the west end of the park? Well, right, up at the North Pleasant Street, is what I'm talking about. But to have a sidewalk there, to access the different points in the park, the different pathways. So do we, I mean, do we think the sidewalk needs to be like all the way along the whole length of the Pleasant Street on the west side? I mean, on the east side? I would say so, again, because it's, because you have parking. Well, I would put it anywhere where there is parking. So I would like to remind us that we just have a few minutes left. Yes, okay. Decisions about our next, the dates of our next meetings. Maybe we can talk about, I guess, so we didn't vote on that. And that's like the one remaining main element. So. That's fine. But that's good. Actually. And I think it would still be who of us all to do a walk through, once the students are back in that area. So just to really not. Can we set up a date now for that, maybe? I mean, I do have a question about, maybe could we each visit it, because we have this other site, if we're talking about another site visit too on like North Pleasant Street campus. Yeah. I would put it as a lower priority for us to do a site visit here if people, like you live in the neighborhood, Kim, I walk that neighborhood all the time. Maybe if members feel like doing so, they could walk through it. And particularly when the students are there and just look at what it's like, but I'm not sure we need to use like an official meeting time to do that site visit. I'm fine with that because I really feel confident with what I'm saying. I've been driving through that. I've been thinking about it a lot too. So I think, yeah. But on the agenda, we were, because we don't have our 916 meeting, I'm not sure what the dates are of our, I guess 916 would have been. So we typically would meet on the first and the third. So we don't have any other meetings scheduled for August, which I don't think we need any. And we can, I mean, if the committee feels comfortable, I mean, I will write it up, but I can also share with TSO that we voted on like all of these key elements already or something. What would our first meeting be? Because it seems like that's going to be the key one so that we can get. So I think if we, hopefully we can meet on the second, if that's not too crazy for people. Okay, great. September? Yeah. September 2nd. Hang on a second, sorry. Children are back. No, I ain't. Yeah. And UMass is back and everybody's... Yeah. And I'm good. I'm good then. Okay. Tag. And then we can't meet on the third. I mean, I suggest we don't. I mean, there's conflicts with Yom Kippur on the 16th. So the TSO, they wanted the recommendations by their meeting on the 23rd. But I mean, after the second, you know, we could, if we take some final votes and people review the memo, which I can circulate, then we probably don't need to... I mean, we could have a makeup meeting on the 9th or we could just skip it or maybe leave it open in case we're still looking... Maybe play by ear. Yeah. Okay, so at least we have the meeting on the second and we get pretty clear a view of what our agenda is going to be. So that's... Yes. And then we'll just... And so the meeting on the second, I think we could cover this, which hopefully wouldn't take us too long since we've already talked about it and we're agreement. And then maybe we could also preview the other project if Guilford wants to kind of run through that. Or maybe, or... And maybe we could have like an optional site visit, maybe on the 9th or something if... Well, I was gonna say, we do want to meet on the 23rd and do that as the walking tour. We could do it on the 23rd, I'm sure. Great. 23rd, hang on a second, sorry. Of September or August? September. September. Why? I mean, we could meet. Sorry. That's not a typical meeting week, but yeah, we could just choose to do like a site visit that way. Maybe we'll have some more members by then. I cannot do a site visit. Well, maybe it depends on what time. Same time. I would be late, but I would be there. Okay. So the TSO is discussing the project that day. So I would like to appear at the TSO meeting just to speak to our recommendations, but I could do a short site visit. Their meetings currently are being scheduled for 6.30, which is like right after our meeting. Oh yeah, that sounds okay. So, but if we did like a shorter site visit. Sure. So. Uh-huh. Okay. 5 p.m. ish to 6, 5 to 6 site visit potentially. Yeah, okay. Okay. And it's 6.34. I have dinner. That sounds great. Can I just ask Guilford one question? Guilford, I am concerned with the amount of time it is taking to resurface the roads up in North Amherst because I believe that it's proving difficult for people on bicycles to avoid people in cars avoiding raised manhole covers. Are we kind of treating the resurfacing in Amherst like they do metal plates in that lamma and just like kind of forgetting about things or is there like a plan for when we would actually get to the end of it? Yeah, we expect to see them either the last week of August or the first week of September. Okay. They're just trying to catch up from all the rain in July. So they're behind schedule. But I didn't know. It seems that we started a lot of things instead of like starting something, finishing something, starting something, finishing something. So we've had a lot of time with objects in the road that I hope we could avoid. But maybe I'll just go ahead, Guilford. Sorry. We're not there only contract for the year. Yeah, that's what I figured. So as the rain comes in, I mean, actually, I really don't expect to see them until after September because they're still trying to wrap up UMass work which all of a sudden UMass becomes a priority at the end of August. So I mean, just is there a way in the future that we can, I'm sure this is not the first time this has happened, but we can work to avoid this difference in time or? It's a money issue. If you tell them, they'll charge you the money. If you want to do it that way, they'll charge you a higher price to make sure they get the time to do it is how it works out. So we choose to just, we have a month or two if we have a month or two. And for the next meeting, I mean, I won't bring it here because I know Kim wants to go to dinner. And, but some, maybe we can have updates on some of the other projects like Pomeroy. And I'd also be interested in just, it hasn't ever come to the tack, but this idea about with the crosswalks on Triangle Street and East Pleasant Street and the rapid rectangular flashing beacon that planning just wants to have like one on the crosswalk. Anyway, but maybe we could talk to some of those items. Next time. Yeah. And if there's other, and I do hear, I do get emails sometimes from people who live off of East Pleasant Street about like what's ever happened with that. So is it ever gonna make it back like up the queue? So, I mean, there was money set aside for that, right? I guess. There was, I mean, there's money set aside for a lot of things. There's a lot of projects. I mean, there's a lot of projects out there moving. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Okay. All right. Sorry, guys. One more thing. I was wondering on the back end parking in, because is it East Pleasant, North Pleasant in town? Is there a way to improve the signage so that people can understand that it is back in? I mean, even though it's signed everywhere, except... It says back in. It does say back in, but only technically at two of the spots. Right? No, but then it also has the signage to show how to get into the back end spaces. From the south, right? If you're coming... But the only, I mean, my perception of why some people park front in there is because they're coming from southbound traffic and there's not enough traffic downtown. I mean, it's easy for them just to like swoop across because everybody else would be angled at that angle. If you notice the people that are parking nose in do not park at the two spots that are marked as back in parking. Because those are technically the two spots that are marked. If I got a ticket there for that, I would be pointing to the fact that the signage only points to two spots being marked. And so I think we need like just with... They just need the little arrows at the bottom. Is this an item that is not anticipated by the year? Seriously. We can talk about it at a different meeting. We're drifting a little bit. We're drifting. Okay, why don't we wrap up and have some of these items next time? Bruce? I can't see you anymore, but I'll move to adjourn. All right, I second. All right, see you all. Thank you. All right, thank you. Thanks, Kim. All right, bye, everyone. Thanks, Gavir.