 Good morning to you. Thank you so much for keeping it to why in the morning this is Y254. My name is Ram Aguco and as always it is a pleasure being with you. Each and every Monday morning you're just in time for the next conversation of today and as always it's all about youth and politics. We are coming to you live from the broadcasting house here in Nairobi Kenya. politis things that have been training in the past one week and of course issues to do with the youth in this particular country and joining me in studio I am with the alpha Moangi Muaura who is the national coordinator of young professionals and SMEs he also holds a position within UDA as the youth league leader. Karupsan alpha? Sanhtisana. You are well? Yeah, I am well. Thank you so much for joining me and as you saw on our posters we were also supposed to be joined by Saddam Ghashia who is the chairman of the Democratic Party Youth League. Once he is here he shall be able to join us but the show must go on keep engaging with us let us know where you're watching us from and we shall sample your feedback as we continue with this morning conversation. Now in the past one week we had we have had a lot of changes in politics including the shift of Honorable Musale Mudavadi the ANC leader and Honorable Moses Wetangola who is the Fort Kenya leader coming to UDA what does it mean and now we are seeing the Kenya Kwanza Alliance that has been formed and we shall also talk about that also including that we shall talk about the leadership within Nairobi County so let me start on the issue of UDA you have new members it's like your family has grown I'm looking at the current debate about who is going to be the presidential candidate who is going to be the running mate I don't know what are your thoughts on that because it's starting in a lot of debate with ANC leader who had said that and I quote yes ultimately we shall name the candidate who will fly the Kenya Kwanza flag in the elections however at the moment our priority is to unite Kenyans and score and ensure we have a peaceful elections that's what Honorable Musale Mudavadi has said what are your thoughts well thank you Ram it is true no what you did is we've grown as a family we've we've accommodated Honorable Musale Mudavadi of ANC and Honorable Wetangula to come in do a Kenya Kwanza Alliance and that was culminated at Boma so I was there it was a beautiful event is not joining UDA is it just that no that's not joining UDA or it is an alliance it's an alliance yeah they still maintain the identities okay yes yes of course and so I I believe these are leaders who are also thinking on how we can grow the alliance father so this is not the end Musale Mudavadi promised an earthquake it was delivered wait wait for more wait for more someone say it was just a tremor ah no you know you have to give credit where credit is due okay and we also be expecting other members probably someone like the national national assembly speaker Justin Mutuli and other like-minded leaders joining us so that we can grow the family unite Kenyans and form the next government yes now in regards to what I had asked earlier on who's going to who's going to to take the Kenya Kwanzaa flag to the general elections your thoughts on that it is work in progress I believe the three leaders as per now able and also other leaders who've been in UDA able to have a discussion as we move forward on who is best suited for me my party leader is his excellency the deputy president William Samoe Ruto that is the person I'm watching for that is a person that I believe can take this country forward and he strongly believes in the youth agenda yeah um uh Sadam Gashi is joining us also on set Sadam Karibusana thank you very much you're well um well morning good morning we blame corona but you're well uh uh tell us your thoughts about this particular issue here that you've heard what alpha has said yeah and it's quite clear that uh he's uh uh uh saying at the moment UDA is yet to uh uh you know unveil publicly who the flag bearer shall be but he's saying the bottom up approach is uh is the way and I remember what kundubu musala mudavadi also mentioned he said that the principles and the and the ideologies of UDA in regards to the economic economic plan to take the country to the next level are in line with his plans and therefore he joined uh uh you know in an alliance with the UDA your thoughts in regards to that uh thank you very much Ram uh first and foremost it is apparently very clear that the bromance between UDA and ANC is a is a culmination or it's a it's a convergence of leaders whose uh whose levels of integrity are wanting we know we have in the in those that in that bromance we have someone whose name is synonymous with corruption we have uh among the leaders there who's we have leaders whose names feature in every corruption scandal the new entrant into this bromance per se has very little or nothing to offer to to to to that alliance if I may say if you have five members of parliament and you have none or maybe one left on your side I think in terms of the electorates or in terms of the voters being inclined to to that bromance is very minimal what also like to add uh Buanaram this slogan of Kenya Kwanzaa this was initially a slogan of the of the Honorable Speak of the National Assembly when we had uh when we were doing talks between the one Kenya alliance and the speaker and the Mount Kenya forum that is when that name came and was coined so the the initiative was we we have a Kenya Kwanzaa initiative now this goes ahead to show that we have some leaders in this country whose main agenda is to take people's ideas is to take people's possession forcefully is to take what is not originally theirs so what we are saying this bromance between the deputy president and the ANC party leader they should come up with their with their own slogans and make sure that they don't they don't use people's slogan at the expense of the original inventors of the slogan well um I like to give you time to respond to that Honorable Justin Muturi the speaker said this the speaker of the Senate said this if you would walk along Thika Road the and I quote if you would walk along Thika Road you could see my billboard that read Kenya Kwanzaa but you see they have taken it to sasawewe una pora hatas loganyangu enough respond thank you very much first uh let me respond to the issue of the slogan Kenya Kwanzaa we've had Kere Nyaga Kwanzaa we've had so many Kwanzaa there's nothing new under the sun it's nothing new so uh anything even America first there was America first this is a slogan it's like I'm taking a yellow color and you're saying I used to have a yellow color in my party this is a slogan and whatever initiative that we we've decided that Kenya is moving forward and Kenyans must come first now my friend uh sadam there's there's something that I can see you're not in tune with your party leader your party leader and you can quote today's paper uh Rabu Justin Muturi he's my friend I respect him a lot uh that your party leader has said this and uh we must be honest even as as youth we must be honest he has said this uh that people who have been together and this is referring to our new alliance which you claimed these are two leaders who have nothing to offer and they are they have integrated questions that when we were together when you were in NASA on our bumsali mudavadi that time you were very clean now that you are with William Ruto you've started labeling him as corrupt you have scandals you have everything let us be honest this is the speaker Muturi who is saying so and he said he has gone on and and said I will consult with party members uh on what coalition to join you see so do not rule out even uh on Rabu Justin Muturi joining us it is very clear that we cannot be engaged with people whose characters are wanting we have a scenario where the deputy president's name pops up in every corruption scandal in this country I'd like also to tell you we have his if you look at his leadership traits he's one person who is who joined politics courtesy of the of the late retired president Mui later worked with Honorable Rila Odinga now he's working with president Uhuru Kenyatta if you check his political career spanning over 20 years now he has turned against retired the late president Mui goes ahead to say that he was he was not a good leader also gone ahead to insult the former prime minister Ganga he has gone again now insulting the president I'm asking who is best in terms of why is he always the right one why is it always after working with somebody he he always has a way of going ahead and insulting previous colleagues what we are saying in this country we have leaders who characters are wanting we have leaders who have perfected the art of taking what is not rightfully theirs and making it theirs in terms of property in terms of slogans I'm wondering what next will it he will take and make it his Meklarian call to the people of this country watch this league leaders and put them on a wing scale or a benchmark of integrity if you have somebody who's who who we have people in his office who either disappear are involved in accidents or perish under unclear circumstances we have the late Sergeant Kipiagon Kenoi that is a case still in court we have the late uh kopral kopral makto we have uh somebody kariuki I think Antoni kariuki who perished in an accident we have recently the chief of staff Osinde what I'm insinuating that why is it very common for people to perish and in his office okay what do they know that kenyas don't know I think in regards to that because some of these cases are still in court we may not be able to jump into conclusion but to say that uh one leader is bad because they have a court case can't quite hold water I'm not saying because because at the end of the day it's all about what policy they have what they have done and what they can do is that so it's true it's about policy but all what I'm pointing out that let's um this is my call to kenyas let's weigh these leaders they are very good at rhetoric sense and and in this in this case checking people's slogan later let them show what their footprint are you have a career spanning over 20 years tell us what you have achieved for this country yes let's move for them and this is my call even as we unite as young people that we cannot come here and discuss our leaders negatively it is of importance to kenyas that we discuss our leaders with their merits let us bring forward like for me I I can speak on behalf of the deputy president speak on behalf of Justin Moturi don't speak on behalf of my leader no no I'm not speaking on behalf of my leader I didn't come here to discuss our leaders negatively so if he has any he has nothing positive to discuss bro do no no no no let me get this straight let me get this straight here um we have the issue of the economic plan that uh both uh uh leaders have of course hondrabu museli amudavadi has the uchumi water plan and uh uh of course hondrabu william brutal has the issue of uh the bottom up they all focus on bringing up the kenyan who is on the ground and and say let's speak the truth here that is a youth we are all youths here so the question is now what is our plan when it comes to bringing up the youth in this nation moving forward what is the plan of your party what is plan of your party because at the end of the day that is what matters that is what that matters and I wish that is what we would deal deal with right now and dwell on so much that what is the plan what is the agenda of our presidential candidates what is the agenda of our leaders rather than dealing with the things that cannot be subsidized I am aware that you're vying for senator sitting in Nairobi county yes I'm vying for Nairobi senate uh the incoming Nairobi senator actually uh my friend sakanja is outgoing and he's going for another he's saying a higher seat I believe senator is even higher if we were to take it seriously uh and I have my plan for Nairobi youths I have my plan for small business traders I have my plan for the parents of Nairobi if your parent listening to me your future the future of your kids is safe with senator alpha so uh going straight to our agenda our agenda is very clear it's bottom up now that you've joined with A and C tuna se mani bottom up and it it's self explanatory what we've been doing is that for me as a senator as a senator an incoming senator there is one of my agenda that it is to mobilize this is the capital city it's to mobilize a billion plus funds for the young people of this country to be able to carry out good initiatives and uh which is related to business creative ads I'll be setting up my first creative studio in Sarajeh constituency which is the heart of Nairobi I believe but this will happen as uh as we progress in the rest of the 17 constituencies so that is for the the the creatives the creatives the youth the creatives you know it's a good thing ladies and gentlemen that we're dealing with youth league chair persons here now as a youth league chair person for your your own party how would you respond to that and of course what plan do you have as an individual and as an individual party rather thank you very much Ram our main focus uh in the democratic party our main agenda is to fight corruption it is evident and it is very clear also the president his excellence president Huru Kenyata mentioned it that we are losing close to two billion every day okay so we in the democratic party have intentionally and deliberately set our economic recovery plan to be anchored on fighting corruption the other thing that we are going to do we in terms of the economic recovery agenda we are going to stop borrowing locally it is in Kenya today it is multi creative for any financial institution to lend money to the government we in the in the democratic party believe that the government should not be allowed to borrow to borrow locally why am I saying this we are going to make sure that only kenyas borrow from local financial institutions to enable them to get discredit facility the other thing we are going to use our minerals the the minerals we have currently to source for international bonds okay the other thing we are going to ensure that we get extra money from for example the world bank whose interest rate is minimal then we offset the chinese loans which is at an interest rate of 16 percent to ensure that we our economy recovers on a higher trajectory what i would like to do is to debunk this narrative that there is an economic model called bottom up there is none i'm a student of economics and i can tell you for sure there is no economic model called bottoms up it is so sad that after being in government for close to 10 years since 2013 to date under your leadership mr deputy president we are losing close to two billion every day and when the president insists on doing the internal audit you go ahead and saying it is political which hand we can say categorically today that since 2013 to date you have not empowered a single kenyan you started in 2013 you promised stadiums you you mr deputy president you promised a million jobs every year mr deputy president you promised you you promised jobs you promised roads you promised let him finish let him finish yes i'm here in yusadaam yes you can't since 2013 promise us all those big things then one year to the next election you come with a different narrative telling us bottoms up what i'm telling kenyas these are only slogans meant to lower people he should come and tell us what he has done since 2013 okay in the democratic party believe that this country is bigger than each and every leader that's why we came with this slogan kenya kwanza telling them that citizens should come first not their interest first now at the end of the day also let's remember to keep tweeting keep talking to us the hashtag is one in the morning at rama guko and that white two five four channel which party is it that is going to take the country forward who has the uh uh manifesto whose principles do you subscribe to and who do you believe is going to win honda buraila odinga said this and i quote this is what he said uh in muranga i have worked with both of them one was my deputy as a prime minister as well as a minister for local government and the other became the agriculture minister so honda buraila odinga told his supporters uh in muranga that is on saturday that he has uh uh uh poked holds in this particular a n c u d alliance coming its leaders as corrupt and scandalous in their reign in government now respond to what honda buraila odinga said because now that is also uh something that uh uh many kenyans are also wondering um how do you plan to take us forward considering the fact that you know it is a political season and of course things will be said how do you move forward from that and what should kenyans believe at the end of the day well uh politics is an interesting game and uh honda buraila odinga has worked with almost close to all the top leaders right now in kenya those are the senior citizens from uh his excellency william samoy ruto musaliam udavadi wetangula uh uh and i have a lot of respect for the right honorable prime minister i would not come here and call him names because there are things that i have learned even from him and uh there are things that i disagree with but respectively and i want to tell the young people this that uh for me as alpha vying for a senate position in Nairobi with or without the deputy president or right honorable raila odinga what do you see wangu ni nini it is the citizens it is you that will choose your leader it is not about uh because all these leaders have at one time worked together if they have their own differences let them be ideological let us not get into personal now gachia you're saying some of these leaders are thieves you're your party leader said this and i quote they call their former counterparts thieves who stole maize while serving in government they ate public monies they sold graves they should also take responsibility of their colleagues because they must have been thieves too why didn't they call them thieves when they were together politically that is your party leader they were aren't you going on the opposite direction without your party they say no no no i i i mean parallel with my party leader ram what you're saying if you are in in any way mentioned in a corruption case ram okay and now few years to the next election you come up with so many good narratives it is so sad number two uh i have a cabalo of leaders talking of something ups and pesa mai fukoni or something but my clarity my what what what the question that begs is when you are the minister of finance it is when we had then increment is pay as you earn uh tax levies okay now couple of years later you have rebranded yourself repacked yourself to now tell us that pesa mai fukoni you didn't find it relevant there to ensure that you had pesa mai fukoni another thing now just before you continue isn't your own party leader saying that it is now irrelevant to call somebody a thief he only said it is irrelevant to call somebody a thief since when you are we you were together you didn't call him a thief that's the only question that he but my party leader is very consistent he he says it as he sees it okay it is high time that you speaking to your party leader now join us in kenya kwanza alliance and form the next government with ruto your thoughts uh i would want to to to preempt anything this is politics anything is possible but we will not shy away from telling people what is the truth and what everybody is is not willing or not ready to tell them okay it is what what is very absurd and very ironical is that we have leaders who have perfected the act of swindling coasing okay and lying to kenyas that they are these type of leaders who are us they are the contrary where am i saying this it is very absurd mr ram to the extent that we have an illegal dealings in your premise okay as much as it is a case under a in court you should be able to come up very clearly and tell us what really transpired i'll give you another example we recently had a gathering in eldorat where people used some very sad phrases on the backdrop of the 20 2007 election 2013 2017 you can fool some people some time you cannot fool all the people all the time all right okay and they have made it their sole agenda to target the honorable former prime minister with all manner of insults but i'm telling them what this space you will be surprised that something else comes up all right don't trail all your guns on honorable raila mo loading we should not put all our politics changes yeah all right let me give you give you time to respond to what you've heard him say let him let so again is because they might find themselves in our team and then you look like a fool because who are you you see for me uh before honorable salya mudavadi joined us and even sakaja joined us i wasn't so much again is whatever they are doing i was so much pro whatever i want to do for the people of nirobi and whatever my party advocates for let me respond to something there's no policy as we want to fight corruption how do you fight corruption how do you fight corruption fighting corruption is all about making sure that systems work and when systems work people are happier people have more money in their pockets that is the the goal hasn't joined but we'll also say that you want to fight for corruption to fight corruption but it can't be you can't lie to kenya that that is your number one agenda tell us what is your agenda and be consistent like if you go to any primary or secondary school and ask what is the agenda of the deputy president what the same money bottom up and release as the same what is the agenda of justin moturi hawa jui go ask any outside here what is the agenda of azimio have have you done the research have you gone on the ground to and ask people and you realize that is true definition let me let me respond to that rap let me respond to that this is kenya kenya kenya is a very funny place but it's a beautiful country it is the only place whereby it is politicians who come and tell you what they need to do for you what they need to do for you not listen to you and respond with solutions and that is what i have done different i have been carrying out my listening tours you haven't had me for a long time i have been hustling i am my young person and have been listening to Nairobians before i responded with solutions so let kenyas take this seriously you might say that you do not want to get into politics but politics will take interest in you and in your life yes ram if i can quickly respond to my brother here he has a perfect example where he goes and says that if you go to any kid ask them what's the agenda for uh william bruto but also if you go to that kid and ask muizi kenya ninani what will be his response it is very clear it is very clear let's let's let's not go to that he has never called it but as a finish as a finish you also added that corruption cannot be it can only be fought you said through systems i agree but also corruption is fought through the legal framework that's why you have chapter six and chapter ten okay chapter ten is on governance and public governance where we it is very clear if one is mentioned in any corruption case this this idea of saying that the the case is in court you are innocent until proven guilty is not working in this country because if i may ask you okay why is it synonymous with one single individual okay since 2013 to date after after all this covid pandemic every kenyan is filling the pitch we have an individual who has consistently on an on a trajectory of amassing wealth okay since 2013 to date look at what he has achieved in terms of economy economically he has the best helicopters in this country whereas we have 58 percent of kenyans living below the poverty line he has built our house worth 1.2 billion insugoi since 2013 to date now here he comes and tell us and tells us that he's a madam are you are you are you are you being malicious no no no no i'm being realistic and talk telling kenyans okay let me let me also be be let me also be realistic okay and quote hundable uh uh uh mose who is shadak mose the kitutu from kitutu masaba and i quote it doesn't benefit you to abuse my person just sell your policies and work out for people to judge your ability very good have you done so as your as democratic party we are doing so and yesterday we are in yamira and we are consistently doing it what we want to do is debunk this narrative that you have people who are holier than thou who walk into churches and preach and quote all manneros of verses we are telling kenyans see through their talks let them show through actions you cannot for example we have a grievance lot here in uh along tika road we have a market good right market where this grievance lot are saying somebody came here and promised us some goodies they are not yet delivered for example my brother i have one particular leader who was in kisumu kondele where he stands on a podium and says what to people of the the border border section border border riders now appear million in bili if you give million in bili to the border border riders of kisumu okay and they are almost five thousand heading to ten thousand what money have you given them all right lucrative on the podium but it is not practical so we are adding kenyans to see leaders on their nature of on their solutions and how practical their solutions are all right i've heard from from from democratic party but but in new day also you still have complex because at the end of the day um let me quote honorable um samula rama nakuru member of parliament he said if you want to be elected be wise and avoid many controversies like contra contradicting norms avoid controversies even in fin roles if you want to be elected be wise and avoid many controversies looking at how uda is do you think you're following this particular advice here no uh rama is entitled to his opinion uh my good friend here seems to have researched so much on malaysias and propaganda against the deputy president rather than research so much on how on rabu justin muturi is a best suited leader for this country and come tell us you see don't dwell so much on my party leader and the propaganda against him dwell so much on your agenda as a democratic party and on your agenda as a as a national youth leader for democratic party rather than so much propaganda and hate against the deputy president the deputy president is a kenyan first he is a leader he is the second in command he worked with his excellency uhuru muigai kenyatta to form the first government they formed the second government i haven't had you talk about when you're talking about the the ills of the government i haven't had you talk about uh his excellency uhuru kenyatta who i supported so much during the tna the tna formation and so this is what i'm asking kenyans to do even as you see and look for the right leaders also take your take your take your time and uh and and and get involved in these processes so that you are able to know what is propaganda and what is the truth and let us dwell so much on the things that can move this country for more than the things that uh that puts us asanda i've had him also talk about the the head speech remarks in el dorit which i think it's honorable in tuuri who who spoke and he was taken out of context with that remark i don't support that remark myself but uh let us not politicize everything this is something that has been used by right honorable uh in meru he he named he said the same the same the same word but in a different context so of course it's in context yes context in a different context so it was even formed for maybe honorable in tuuri to mention that there but we've taken it too far with this let us dwell on the good things that we can achieve together as kenyans rather than the things that divide us and especially as youths i hope it challenge you next time come with your come with your agenda let us discuss the agendas bottom up is something that is so serious no you are you are you have a total what is your model what is your model if i may respond from yes we in the democratic party we are not dwelling so much on the models bottom up is not a model it's just a slogan they are using it to lure and entice kenyama student of economics i can tell you it is not any part of a model it is it is never been used in any part of this world can you check something else uh you check it check yeah it's a model no no it's not look look you know we will we will have a conversation about that particular model with economies but let me finish let me finish but finish what what you're saying because of time yes in terms of solutions to the problems ailing kenyans i'll use an example when we had two brothers in kiyanjokoma mr ram who were who are very much hot okay we went there the honorable speaker went there and issued statements and orders to ensure that justice is served to the family okay right now we have close to six police officers facing murder charges in a court of law all right let me ask when we say are you are you is uh deep deep we going to uh which alliance is uh deep we going to to to form at the end of the day we see uds side or as miola umoja which alliance not yet yes speaker i'm taking dp democratic party yes yes the democratic party ram if i may say we are not yet into this business of coalitions not yet it's still very early in time okay so right now we are main agenda is popularizing our candidate the honorable speaker and listening to the grievances kenyans are talking about finding practical solutions to their problems uh uh let's uh have a final word from the from the both of you because of the interest of time i'm giving you 30 seconds each have a final word let me start this now that's thank you very much uh water can urge kenyans as we approach this electioneering period let us use integrity as a benchmark to ensure that we have the right leaders in place because these are the people who we are going to entrust the future of our children our economic businesses our future to ensure that we are on the right trajectory let us not elect people based on their slogans and their popular popularity let let us ask them what they have recently and show their track record if it is synonymous with corruption if it is synonymous with criminal dealings let them shun them and ensure that we have the right leaders i'm asking kenyans to consider and i vote for the honorable speaker justin muturi well uh your income in senator alpha maora my call really is to the young people of this country when the young people of this country uh live well when the young people of this country are happy then the rest of the community is happy let us all get into hard work let us get involved into processes we are very powerful if we unite let us not agree to be deceived or separated due to tribal or any other affiliations wether it is party or any other affiliations and i'm calling upon everyone to join me support support my candidature as the senator aspirant and i believe i will do a good job for you in the future it's here asan teni san now that is a very interesting conversation ladies and gentlemen uh to my extreme right is alpha mwangi uh aspiring senator uh narobi county i wish you the best scientist and around and also the the uda youth league chairman and i'm also with uh sadam kachie the chairman of the youth league democratic party now hondro borailo denga said that youths don't need will borrows as jobs they need better jobs not will borrows yet hondro borudo said that rila does not understand the life of the poor at the end of the day who is right it is you to decide may god bless you may god bless the work of fans this is why in the morning keep it locked right here on why two five four but keep engaging with us the hashtag is why in the morning my name is ram aguka this is why in the morning