 Good morning everyone and thank you for joining class. Welcome, success, Anita, Laila, Ma and Jafina. We'll begin class. The others will join in. Can one of you please lead us in prayer please? Any one of you? Dear Heavenly Father, we come to you under the name of Jesus. We thank you for this beautiful day and for the class we are about to have. God we thank you for the authority that you have given us. Thank you for joining us into your family, God. Thank you for helping us to live a life that represents your kingdom, non-human research Jesus. But as we learn about you today, help us open our mind and heart enough and accept it and do it all this life so that we can bring to you Jesus. I place each and every one of my classmates into your hands, give us the good life, the connection that we need throughout the class and be with this and teach us about Jesus. Amen. Amen. Thank you, Jafina. I'll just present the notes, the PDF. Are you able to see it? Yes ma'am. Yes, okay. Okay, so today we're going to begin with chapter eight, the city white church chapter eight. So if you have your books with you, the book Kingdom Builders, you can open to that or you can just follow through with the PDF that I've presented on the screen. Okay, so basically the city white church is referring to the body of Christ. We know that the body of Christ is all believers in the local church. So all the believers in the local church comprise of the body of Christ in a specific city and we refer to this as the city white church. So the city white church is basically referring to the body of Christ in a city and the body of Christ in a city is comprising of all believers in a local church. Now as we've been stating again and again through all the previous chapters, chapters one to seven, the importance of not just fulfilling God's call, His vision, His plan, His purpose for our individual lives, but it is also how, you know, as we go about fulfilling God's plan, purpose, His vision for our lives, how we can use that to build the kingdom of God. So as Christian leaders or as believers, we need to have a vision where we are seeing our own specific calling, the functions that God has given to us. We understand that in terms of building the kingdom of God in the city and seeing just beyond our own visions, our own local church, our own Christian organization, on how we can, you know, build the kingdom of God in our city and hence help in the transformation of our own specific cities that God has placed us in. So basically before we begin, you know, kingdom building or partnering with others in the previous chapter, in chapter seven, we saw how we need to be co-working, partnering with other believers, with other leaders, with other churches in a city transformation in building the kingdom of God. And so, you know, there's a call here for unity and oneness. There's unity in everything that we do and, you know, unity and fellowship of the spirit. So irrespective of whether we come from different denominations where, you know, that we have our own forms, our own expressions, our own styles of worship, we need to remember that as a body of Christ, as believers in a specific local church and all the local churches put together that comprise a body of Christ in a city, we need to remember that, you know, even though we are part of different congregations where we have our own forms of worship and, you know, expressions, our styles of worship, we see that, you know, we are all one, you know, because why is there oneness in us? Because we are, you know, all believers in the Lord Jesus Christ, the local church comprises of people who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, who embrace him as their Lord and Savior. And hence, we are one body. And because we are one body, you know, although we are a part of different local congregations, we are under the submission or the Lordship of Jesus Christ. He is our Lord. We are worshiping one God. And we are all, you know, saved by His grace and what He has done on the cross for us. And hence, you know, there is oneness in us. And hence, we need to seek first His kingdom and His will to be done here in our city. We also need to value, respect, support and partner with one another to further God's kingdom in our city. And here the important thing is that, you know, even Jesus in his high priestly prayer in John chapter 17 verse 21, he said, you know, Father, you know, let them be one as we are one. If you look at John chapter 17 verse 21, and they all may be one as you, Father, are of me. And I knew that they also may be one in us, that the world may believe that you sent me. So why, what is the importance of, you know, there being unity in the body of Christ in the local church? Why, what is the importance of us coming together as one? Why is there importance of us being together in one, as one body in unity and fellowship of the Spirit, so that, you know, God's love will be expressed in and through us. Okay, so even as God's love is expressed in and through us, what will it result in? It will result in people in our city will turn to see who Jesus really is and believe in him. So the purpose of coming together in unity and in oneness, and in, you know, the felt in oneness in fellowship of Spirit is basically that, you know, that the love of God will be expressed to us. And when the love of God is expressed to us, people in our city will turn to see who Jesus really is and they would believe in him. So there's a call for unity and oneness and this call for unity and oneness, you know, should start with the leadership. You know, the city white church come together in unity and fellowship. We need to get all the leaders in the city together. Why is it important for the leaders in the city to come together because the leaders of the city are disconnected with each other, the rest of the body, or the rest of the believers in Christ will also be disconnected. But if the leaders of the various churches, various Christian organization, mission organization, you know, come together, they are connected together, they are, you know, they are one together as one body, then the rest of the body of Christ, the rest of the believers will also be connected with each other. Now, when we're talking about the leaders, you know, coming together in unity and oneness and being connected with each other, we're not just talking about them, you know, just knowing the names of other believers and other, you know, pastors and leaders in our church. It's not just knowing who is running which church, who's running which organization, just knowing their names, but it is, you know, building a relationship with other leaders in the city, building a relationship with pastors in the city with the heads of Christian organizations, mission organizations, you know, bishops and leaders in our city. So for the city-wide church, you know, to come together, we need to build a relationship, the leaders basically should build a relationship of trust, of respect, of fellowship, of sharing. And once this is happening at that level of, with the leaders, the leadership level, then, you know, the rest of the body of Christ, the rest of the believers will also be connected and there will be unity and oneness. So how can we go, how can leaders in this, you know, specific city, how can they, you know, come together in unity, in oneness, in, you know, building relationships with each other rather than just knowing each other's names and what church they run or what organization they run. It's good to have a monthly roundtable discussion and this is something that, you know, you know, APC has started where we have a monthly roundtable discussion with all the pastors and leaders in our city. They come together and we begin with just a short time of worship and then, you know, a time of prayer. We were just basically praying for our city, praying for our nation, praying for the churches in our city, praying for, you know, people who do not know Christ, the problems, the difficulties, the challenges that are happening in our city or in our nation. We pray about that and then, you know, just a time of breakfast where people just sit there, you know, leaders catch up with each other, meet each other, discuss with each other and then, you know, there's a time where we discuss on specific issues, take a Bible passage and, you know, we're all seated in groups and we just read the Bible passage and there are some questions that, you know, are drawn out of that passage and then, you know, all the pastors and leaders who are sitting in groups, in the various groups, they discuss together. So as they're discussing, they just, you know, you know, get to know each other, build relationships with each other, also are able to, you know, share, discuss and interact with each other and as they do this, you know, they write down their learnings and then each group presents their learnings. So this is an effective way where, you know, we're also building relationships, we're coming together in one platform, discussing things, you know, sharing our views and also, you know, in such an environment, basically, you know, God even changes our hearts and our minds, brings us together in unity and in oneness. But what should not happen in these meetings is, you know, not just a place where people come and then, you know, you have a time of worship and then you listen to a message and then fellowship a little and go away, but something that is more effective in terms of, you know, people sharing, discussing, interacting with each other in small groups and then sharing what you have discussed so that, you know, others can also learn. So one good way of bringing leaders together could be this, you know, a monthly roundtable discussion which APC has already started in our city and, you know, if you feel like you could do this in your own city to bring all the pastors, leaders of various Christian organizations together just to, you know, on one common platform where you can build relationships of trust of, you know, like we said, you know, build relationships of trust and, you know, where you can partner with each other but it is love that is built with each other as well. Okay. So why do we need to partner with, you know, other believers in our city with other leaders, with other churches is to partner to bring about a city transformation and city transformation in all areas, not only just in spiritual but also the social, the marketplace and physical transformation. We look at each of these areas in a detail in a little bit, but a partnership are coming together as a city-wide church should just go beyond, you know, just events and gatherings and but also must translate into, you know, partnering with churches and mission organizations in, you know, building up the initiatives that have already been started in various areas or also taking on new initiatives together so that we can reach out to the entire city. So how do we do this? There are two ways. First of all, is to encourage partnership in things that have already been done in the city. So how do you, how do we encourage partnership in the things that have already been done in our city? Basically, you know, churches that have ongoing programs like, you know, feeding poor people in the slum, you know, or outreach in the slum, evangelism in the slums, equipping marketplace believers. So what churches who are already, you know, engaging in these ongoing programs can come together to see how they can all pool in their resources, their ideas and strategies so that, you know, they can all do together as one when we do, we can actually impact our entire city. We can actually, you know, effect our, bring measures that are effective for the entire city rather than just one church doing it in one small area, a few people, but churches together or Christian organizations together coming together so that we can, you know, pool in our resources and ideas to impact the entire city on projects that, you know, we had already initiated ongoing programs in our church. It can also be, you know, if churches or Christian organizations are, for example, you know, working with building up marriages. Okay. So if there are like three or four or five churches that are working towards building marriages, then all the other churches who are also having, you know, that same burden, that same initiative, the program that they have started, they can come together and, you know, they can develop a ministry for marriages, how they can to serve their own churches and also to serve all the other churches or to serve the entire body of Christ in our city. Also, you know, how can we encourage partnership in things that are already begun is how, you know, richer churches, churches that are very well to do, how they can financially provide for poorer churches, more startup churches, churches that, you know, are just starting and they can just contribute, you know, and just provide for a PS system or, you know, a projector or a laptop or, you know, sound system, whatever they can do or help them with putting a roof, a proper roof or a proper place where they can meet just, you know, helping poorer churches. And also, you know, churches that are, you know, strong in the Lord, mature churches, how they can impart, they can equip younger churches, you know, and how they can build them up spiritually, how they can empower them to do what Christ has called them to do. But even as we say this, you know, there are a few challenges that people can face even as, you know, we want to, you know, come together, partner together in things that have already been done in our city to various churches and organizations. There are some challenges, you know, the challenges can be, you know, pastors are afraid, you know, that if they come together to partner with other churches, they might lose their, their believers. The other pastors in other churches can steal their sheep, so to say, so they can be sheep stealing. And, you know, so that's why pastors don't come together because they're afraid that other pastors will, you know, will steal their believers or steal their sheep. So the fear of losing congregation members is always there in every pastor's heart. And hence, you know, the city white church coming together, there should be, you know, common trust that is built up among pastors, among leaders, that even as they come together, even as they, you know, come together to partner together to build the city with the city white church being in unity and oneness, you know, that there is trust among the leaders that, you know, that they are there in this to develop a kingdom mindset and not to just build their own specific organizations, Christian organizations or their own ministries or their own churches, but, you know, a way that they can come together and there's a sense of trust, loyalty, integrity, honesty that pastors will not lose their, you know, their congregation members, even as they come together to build up the city or the city transformation through the, you know, the city white church coming together. Also, ensuring that the vision and the mission of the local churches and the non-church organizations or the Christian ministries are fulfilled, even as they partner together with each other. So, even as you're partnering with each other on the same projects or the same vision or the same, you know, leading that God has given to us as a church, then, you know, we are coming together to partner with other churches and other Christian organizations, you know, pastors should have this sense of comfort level where they know that even as they're partnering together with other ministers or other leaders in our city, that their specific vision and mission that God has given to them is not, will not be hindered. And, you know, their strategies that you come up with will be inclusive of everybody's vision and mission. And hence, it will benefit the individual churches as well as it will benefit the city white church as a whole and help in city transformation. Okay. The next one is, you know, how can we come together in partnership for city transformation is how, you know, churches can partner together, Christian organizations can partner together to start or oversee new initiatives that are done. Yes, Isaac, you have your hand up? Okay, maybe it's an accident. Okay. So, how we can start new initiatives, you know, to reach out to our city and these new initiatives can be, you know, rescuing street children, just providing a home for them to live in, take care of them, educating them, helping them, you know, to have a good future, securing their, you know, helping them to have, you know, get into colleges, a good career so that they can have a good future. And so, you know, since this is a big project, you know, several churches and Christian organizations can come together, you know, to venture in this or partner in this initiative, because this is something that is huge and big and this will truly, you know, impact our city. But for this to happen, there are some challenges, you know, churches or leaders, you know, can be a little hesitant because it involves a lot of money. So, you know, financial investment, administrative work that is required, whether, you know, people will be honest, there will be integrity, you know, where things will go smoothly. So, that is why, you know, even before leaders can venture into all of this, you know, leaders in our city should build that level of trust and that level of integrity and honesty and transparency with each other, where we can come together in such platforms and where, you know, people can trust each other, they can invest their money financially and, you know, know that things will run smoothly. And there's also unity and oneness and, you know, oneness and thought and mind, a kingdom mindset where, and, you know, kingdom culture that is built up even as they begin these new efforts or these new initiatives. Okay. The other thing that we can also do as a citywide church is, you know, to have citywide unity gatherings, you know, Psalms chapter 50 verse 5 says, gather my saints together to me, those who have made a covenant with me by sacrifice. So, it's, you know, God's divine will that, you know, we all not only come together in unity and oneness, but we also fellowship together in, you know, unity and oneness in the spirit and hence also, you know, gathering together as saints so that, you know, there is unity and there's oneness among us. Now, the challenges that can come up here is that, you know, even as there is unity gatherings, this can be on different occasions, you know, where churches come together and worship and, you know, they can, they can be time of worship and the worship can be include, you know, contemporary songs, hymns and also they can be a time where we're celebrating the Lord's table, which is a powerful statement of us being one in Christ Jesus and even as we do this, you know, everybody's on the same level, whether they are believers, leaders, bishops, pastors, whoever they are, all of them on the same level, there are no guests, no dignitaries, you know, everybody's on the same level just worshiping God and the only focus or the only dignitary that receives all the glory and honor is Christ Himself and so Christ is exalted even as we meet together and, you know, there is power and there is the move of the spirit in a powerful way even as, you know, believers come together, okay, but there can be various challenges. First challenge can be, you know, pastors will have a fear that they will lose their own congregation members to other churches. Hence, you know, leaders in the city should assure each other that this unity gatherings is basically is to promote unity and oneness in the city-wide church and they're coming together to insult Christ alone and this is not for us to, you know, pull away believers from other churches into our own churches. The other thing is, you know, there's a fear in the hearts of different pastors in the city that even as, you know, people come together for this unity gatherings where there is the people worship together in this unity gatherings, you know, the doctrine of their own church can be corrupted. Hence, you know, if we are planning to have these unity gatherings, then the people who are planning it, the leaders who are planning it need to be sensitive to all the backgrounds or all the denominations that are there in the city and they need to know that their main agenda coming together is unity of faith not unity of doctrine, okay, and are coming together in this manner is, you know, is to worship God and also, you know, for the church to be edified in the ways of the Lord in the knowledge of the Son of God, okay. So unity gatherings are another powerful thing. We had that once in our own city and it was, it's a wonderful experience, a very powerful experience that people can experience, can have and it's good if, you know, pastors and churches, church leaders or ministry organizations can come together, you know, once or twice in a year just, you know, bring this unity gatherings into powerful work of the Spirit that can be done and also it sends across a powerful message to our city that, you know, we as believers are one, even though we worship in different churches and, you know, we have different ways of worship, we have different doctrines, but ultimately we are worshiping one God, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit who work in perfect unity and in oneness, okay. So the city white church, when they come together, they get, you know, they're coming together, it will help in strengthening the unity, the cooperation, the fellowship across churches and ministry and also, you know, help in, you know, transformation of the city by the power of the gospel and, you know, this can be spiritual transformation, social transformation, a marketplace transformation and also physical transformation in our city. So what do we mean when we say spiritual transformation is, you know, believers across churches can come together in small prayer groups just praying for the body of Christ in our city, also praying for unbelievers in our city, praying for the move of God in our city and whatever, you know, social evils are there, they can pray towards the same, also, you know, pastors uniting together praying for our city, you know, and also the churches and mission organizations or Christian organizations coming together, you know, working together to evangelize and disciple people in our city. The next one is social transformation. Social transformation is basically how we all can come together to, you know, work against social evils, especially suicide, drug abuse, poverty, corruption, oppression, you know, when the church comes together and when they pray together, when they, you know, work together against these social evils, the work of the Holy Spirit is so powerful that can even destroy some of, you know, all of these evils that our society is facing and can, you know, just spring about God's kingdom, reign, His kingdom rule, His kingdom presence and His kingdom power in our city and people can experience the kingdom of God in our city. Rather than working in isolation, you know, when churches and Christian ministries join hands in pooling their resources together, you know, we can impact our city to a larger extent, a greater extent where we can help the poor, you know, just feed the poor, the hungry, give shelter to the homeless, care for the widows, orphans and those who are less privileged. And also we can bring about a transformation in the marketplace, you know, there are many believers in the marketplace, they're going through various challenges, various issues, they can meet together, discuss and, you know, edify each other, build each other, strengthen up, strengthen each other and also see how they can, you know, take this mountain of business where they can bring in God's kingdom, reign, His kingdom rule, activity, His presence, bring about His will in the business place, how they can bring about, you know, good values, a good ethical value system, where there is a work culture, where there is honesty, you know, there's people living godly lives, there's godly ethical moral values that are inculcated that, you know, and believers in the marketplace can be empowered to do this even as they come together, discuss, play for the city. And believers from all churches who are in the marketplace can also come together and how they can, you know, bring about kingdom excellence, kingdom integrity, and bring about the supernatural in the marketplace. The last thing is physical transformation, you know, how believers can join together in a city, you know, to provide for the lesser privilege in our city, basically work with the help in improving the health, hygiene, transportation, infrastructure in the city, how they can help in creating more jobs and also contributing to the economic growth of the city, also helping the poor with homes, with, you know, three meals a day, providing clothes, and also, you know, for children in the slums, giving them a good education so that their future is secure and built up. Another last thing that, you know, churches in our city and Christian organizations can come together, or the city by church can come together in unity and oneness helps in, you know, responding towards persecution, things that, you know, are done against the body of Christ. When there's mutual strength and support and unity together as a body of Christ, then, you know, we can stand strong in the times of persecution and we can bring about some kind of measures that will help the believers in our city to go through this time of persecution and also to fight against the forces of evil that are coming against us and the laws and the rules that are coming against us. We can go against that and we can stand together and we can, you know, help in, you know, bringing about laws that help in the body of Christ, you know, just expressing our own faith, worshiping and also, you know, propagating our own faith in our own city. Okay, so this is something which is very, very important, you know, the city by church coming together to establish what's seen them in our city and all of these, you know, points that are given in this lesson is very practical, you know, you can also share this, you can also share this with the leaders in your own city and see how you can come together, you know, together as a city by church in transforming the city because, you know, when we do that, we can see God's power move, you know, very powerfully, not just ruining the social evils, but through the unity, people will see God's love being expressed and people will experience and, you know, will accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and will know the power of God that is there in the body of Christ. Okay, any questions on chapter 8? Anyone has any questions? How many of you have taken part in a city-wide gathering where believers from various churches have come together and gathered together just to worship God? Maybe not everybody in a city, but okay, Zealotoli and Anita, how was your experience? What did you sense? What do you feel? It was a blessed spirit field encounter. Thank you, Zealotoli. Anita, you like to share? No, it's long, but I don't remember now. Okay, okay, thank you, Anita. We had this once in our city in Bangalore City. It was a wonderful experience. It was just a powerful experience. I also was in another country and I, you know, I just went there for a concert basically conducted by a church, but, you know, there were people from different nations there in that huge auditorium. I myself am a different nation, but just worshiping God together, you know, there's those words of knowledge and wisdom and prophecy, you know, just being sent out and people were asked to pray for one another. And I just experienced such a powerful, you know, presence of God in that place. And just this whole thought came to me, you know, just being here with other people who, you know, I don't even know. I don't know anyone else in the auditorium, but, you know, just being there, just worshiping God just gave me a taste of how it will be in heaven where, you know, people from different tribes, different nations, people, groups coming together, just praising God. And that experience was just so powerful, you know, and it was just so wonderful and just gave me a taste of how it will be in heaven. So, you know, it will be nice even as some of you who are already pastors and leaders or heading Christian organizations in your own churches, in your own cities, you could do this, maybe, you know, start off with two or three churches, then move on to five, six, ten, you know, and you can, you can just, you know, build on that, just pray. And I'm sure God is going to move in the hearts of leaders because this is his mandate, this is his burden, this is his desire, this was his prayer even as Jesus was here on the earth, that all of us be one as they are one. So, Isaac's question is, do you have different churches or denominations in your city? Yes, we have, we have Bentecostals, we have Charismatics, we have the Methodists, the Baptists, the CSI, that is a church of South India, we have people from the Martoma faith, what else? Evangelicals, yeah, we have people from different faiths, yes. Those who also have, you know, the Syrian Orthodox, the Orthodox people who are the Orthodox worshipers, different denominations, yeah, AG, yes, thank you, Subashish. All of them in our city, so many of them, independent churches, so it was just nice having all of them. Of course, everybody did not come, but so many of them came, it was good. And we have these, APC has these monthly meetings of, for pastors and leaders in our city, and there are many pastors and leaders from various churches and organizations that come for this monthly meeting, it's a wonderful time of gathering. Any thoughts on this? Anyone has any thoughts on this? Did you know that this could be done? Did you know that there was possibility of the city-wide churches coming together and doing this? Okay, thank you, Subashish. Yes, at most times, like you stated, pastor, the challenge is the fear. In our own part of the world, people are not so sincere, pastors are not so sincere. So it's like the fear of losing their congregation or their members to certain pastors who have the desire to steal sheep, can sometimes be an impediment, but the whole idea is actually, actually good. It's good that pastors and churches come together in a grand meeting. The idea is very good. Thank you. Thank you, Isaac. So that's why we need to begin first with the leaders in the city. They're coming together, they're building up a culture where there is trust, there's honesty, transparency. When that is built up, then, you know, and when they start working on all of the other initiatives, things will flow smoothly. Okay, any questions? Any thoughts on this chapter? Anyone knows this hymn on the hymn that is there, the end of this chapter? It's a very old hymn. The church is one foundation. Anyone knows this hymn? Nobody knows this hymn. We see this in the Methodist church. I think they're seeing it even in the CSI. I don't know, they're seeing it in Anglican worship services. Anyone here from the Methodist background? Okay, this is a very powerful hymn. I was seeing the first stanza. I just love this hymn actually because it's so powerful. The church is one foundation is Jesus Christ the Lord. She is this new creation by water and the word. From him he came and sought her to be his holy bride. With his own blood he poured her and for her life he died. There's just other, you know, stanzas to this. You can just read through this hymn, but very powerful hymn which we sing in the Methodist church. Okay, we'll move on to chapter nine. Okay, in chapter nine we're going to be looking at, you know, brothers and sisters, fathers and mothers talking about how, you know, Mitch in the faith can build up, you know, others in the body of Christ. Okay, so we're going to look at that in this chapter. So God never intended for us, you know, in our life's journey to travel all alone. You know, he's given us each other, each other who we can support, we can pray for, we can build up and that is why, you know, coming together on Sunday to church is not just basically to worship God but also to fellowship, you know, building up the unity in the spirit and also, you know, edifying, building up the body of Christ, helping those who are new in the faith, helping those who are growing in the faith, maturing them in their walk with God and also how as a church we can, you know, we can extend God's kingdom and also partner with other churches in, you know, building the kingdom of God in our city. So, you know, in our churches, you know, we need to intentionally, you know, arise some of us who are spiritual mature, we need to intentionally be around for people, other people, you know, father them, mother them, you know, or just be a brother or sister, you know, when we say that, they're not saying, you know, taking care of their, just their physical needs, but we're talking about spiritual needs, how we can build up others in the faith, okay? So, you know, as leaders, you know, many of us are busy, you know, preaching and teaching and, you know, sharing the word of God and ensuring that, you know, all the programs of the church are going on smoothly, but, you know, we become so busy in that we forget that, you know, kingdom building is all about people, we need to build them up in their faith, we need to be true Christian brothers and fathers to each other in the kingdom of God, okay? Look at what Paul says in 1 Thessalonians chapter 3 verse 2, okay? Can somebody read that? It's on your screen, 1 Thessalonians chapter 3 verse 2? Yes, Thessalonians chapter 3 verse 2, and send them for Timothy, our brother and sister of God and a fellow laborer in the gospel of Christ to establish you and increase you concerning your faith. Thank you, Jefina. So, you know, basically Timothy was, you know, a son in the faith. He was somebody who was a son to Paul. Paul refers him in various places as a son, and we see that, you know, when Paul saw Timothy, we look at it in the other chapter, we study about this, when Paul saw Timothy, he saw something in him, he took him on, you know, he nurtured him, he built him up in the faith. He also took him along with him on the Swedish missionary journeys, and, you know, Timothy was able to see the life at the ministry of Paul. He was also nurtured spiritually by Apostle Paul, and Apostle Paul basically fathered Timothy because he looked at Timothy as his son. But once Timothy had come to a place where he was matured in his faith, in his walk with God, in his, you know, in taking on the responsibilities of being a minister of God, you know, he calls him as a brother, as a minister of God, as a fellow laborer. So, here we see in 1 Thessalonians chapter 3 verse 2, you know, Paul refers to Timothy no longer as a son, but calls him as a brother, as a minister of God, as a fellow laborer. Okay, so, you know, we learned that, you know, in our interactions with people, you know, we need to build this kind of relationship with people in the church, where we are fathering them or mothering them, or we are basically being a brother or sister in nurturing them up in their faith. But if you look at, you know, Christian ministers, you know, their interactions with the people is basically one of business transactions. You're basically just talking things that are more, you know, business related or ministry related. We're basically just sharing our ideas, we're just sharing information. And there is no relationship that is built, there is no, you know, friendships that are built, even if there is a relationship, you know, it's on a very superficial level, where we're just meeting, we're just talking, which is sharing information and ideas, but they're not sharing our heart. And, you know, leaders in the city, Christian leaders, they don't want to share their heart because, you know, they are scared that even if they share their weaknesses or the areas where, you know, they are vulnerable or the areas where they are going through temptations or a problem or difficulty, then other ministers, you know, would gossip about them, would talk about them. And, you know, so hence, ministers, when they come together, they are relating on a very superficial level. But, you know, we need to come in a level where we are able to share our heart with each other, where they're able to open up ourselves, we're able to be transparent, so that we can really receive support and, you know, strengthen each other. And when we do that, you know, we come to a place where we can, you know, older mature leaders in the city can actually father or, you know, mature ladies in their walk with God who have journeyed in the Lord, you know, now they are old, they are mature, they can mother, you know, other ladies who are, you know, as leaders or other women who are in the ministry, they can mother them, they can, you know, they can mentor them, they can build them up in their faith. And when we do this, you know, we can learn from each other, we can pass on, you know, the mistakes that, you know, they, the older generation have made and they can help us to, you know, prevent us from doing those same errors, those same mistakes. There's a place where younger ministers can go to older ministers where they can share their problems, whether they're having problems with a church or, you know, their own marriages or their own walk with God, they can go and they can share and they can be built up, they can have somebody who can mentor them, who can walk with them, journey with them through this difficult time, through this challenging time that they're going through, or if some pastors are, you know, are having a problem in raising up their children, their children are going away from the Lord, they can go to mature ministers who have raised up God with children, they can share with them, they can get their help, and, you know, these mature leaders can pray, can guide, can lead them, and all this, you know, really contributes again to co-working, co-partnering, and also the leaders, you know, coming together in unity, building up the city-wide church, and also mentoring or fathering, mothering, or being a brother and sister to those in the believers in the body of Christ. So in Kingdom Building, we need to move to be ministers of God and fellow laborers of being brothers in the Kingdom, okay? I'm so sorry we crossed four minutes of our time, I just got carried away, sorry, missing the time, so we'll take a break now and we'll come back at 10.04, okay, so 10.04 we need after the break, sorry I extended our time. I'll see you after the break, thank you.