 Morning everyone. Welcome to today's mentoring hour. This week's mentoring hour where we spend time discussing, asking questions where we have, it's a gathering of our faculty and students where we can ask any questions and then it's a great time of learning, exciting. Yeah, just going to take one more minute and then we will get going. Right, so we'll start. Can I just request any of the students to pray? Probably Anita, anyone and then we'll get started. Thank you Jesus for this day. Thank you that you gave us this time to come together as we go through the session as we discuss, as we hear from everybody, Jesus, we pray God that you speak to each and every one of us. You talk to our hearts directly, you answer our questions and give us your wisdom of God to go through all of this. We thank you and we praise you and Jesus. Amen. Thank you so much, Ravali. Today we have with us Pastor Selena Nakwana and she's going to take about 10 minutes to share with us about Children's Ministry, the importance of Children's Ministry. Pastor Selena has been involved in Children's Ministry for many years and she's also in charge, overseas catalyst initiative. So yeah, welcome Pastor Selena and over to Pastor Selena right now. Go ahead Selena, thank you. Thank you Pastor Jay Kumar. Shalom everyone, praise the Lord. Today I'm just going to present a few points regarding the importance of Children's Ministry. In the Bible it is very evident that God has a plan for children and we see this in scripture. Scripture points to us the importance God places in various areas of children's life and we see in scripture the importance God places on teaching children. In Genesis chapter 18, you know, verses 17 to 19, God is speaking about Abraham and his future role and God acknowledges that he has chosen Abraham to become a great nation and through him all the nations will be blessed and then God reveals his intention for Abraham in verse 19 in the same chapter, Genesis chapter 18 verse 19. He says, you know, for I've chosen him so that he will direct his children and his household after him to keep the way of the Lord by doing what is right and just so that the Lord will bring about for Abraham what he has promised him. So in verse 19 we see that, you know, God had this intention for Abraham that he would teach his children and his household to follow the ways of the Lord practicing righteousness and justice. In Exodus chapter 12, we see God giving Moses and Aaron instructions on how to, you know, observe the Passover and he, Moses and Aaron in turn goes and calls all the elders, the community and gives them these instructions which we read in the same chapter of Exodus chapter 12 verses 24 to 27. We see that, you know, Moses is telling them even when they go to the promised land they are to observe the Passover festival they had to do just like they're going to do now in Egypt, the first Passover festival. And Moses tells the elders that when your children ask you, you know, what the ceremony means, you need to tell them, you know, why God asked them to do this and what is the significance of this so that they would know the ways of the Lord, they would know how God helped them, who God is and they would know his mighty deeds and his works. So the children will be taught the ways of the Lord, they will be taught the deeds of God. We also see in Deuteronomy chapter 31 when Moses is 120 years old and is no longer able to lead the people of Israel and God had chosen Joshua to, you know, lead the people and so Moses is instructing the people and in this chapter of Deuteronomy chapter 31 verses 12 to 13 in these verses Moses is telling the people that when they enter the promised land and, you know, when Israel appears before the Lord, their God in the place where he chooses, then they shall lead the law before, you know, all people and he says, you know, assemble the people and it he does not just say men and women but also children are included in that. And so he says, you know, so that they can listen and learn about the ways of the Lord, their God and they'll be careful to follow everything given in the book of the law. So, and he says that their children who do not know this law must hear it and learn to fear the Lord, their God as long as they live in the land that they are crossing the Jordan to possess. So, we see that, you know, the importance got places on teaching children the laws, the commands and we also see this in Psalm chapter 78 verses 1 to 8 where it says, you know, do not hide all of these from the children, tell the next generation the praiseworthy deeds of the Lord so that they would know his power and the wonders he has done. And if we continue in the same chapter, we also see that, you know, it says teach the children so that the next generation would know them, even the children yet to be born and they in turn would tell their children so that they would put their trust in the Lord, their God, and they would not forget his deeds but keep his commands and they would so that why is God saying it's so important for them to know the commands to know the law so that they can put their trust in God, they would not forget his deeds what he has done and they would keep his commandments and they would not be like their forefathers, a stubborn and rebellious generation whose hearts were not loyal to the Lord, whose spirits were not faithful to him. So we see the importance God is slaying from the very beginning right from the time of Abraham throughout the Old Testament scripture of preaching and inculcating and reading the law and letting the children know what he has done so that they would put their trust in him and they would be careful to do, follow all his commandments so that they would not be stubborn and rebellious, they would not be unfaithful but they would be faithful to the Lord, their God and they would know him and have a personal relationship with him. We also see that children were an integral part of the corporate worship in the community of Israel, they were also an integral part of the covenantal community because we see that you know Abraham was to teach his children the covenant promises were passed on to not only to Abraham but to his generations and so we see that children were an integral part of the covenantal community and also they were an integral part of the corporate worship that happened. So we see that the biblical pattern is for family, old, young, you know to come together in worship, in praise, in prayer, repentance, hearing, the reading of scripture and salvation as well. So if you look at Psalms chapter 148 verses 12 to 13 we see that young men and women, old men and children, let them praise the name of the Lord. So you know it's not only older people who have to praise the name of God and worship him but it's also children who were you know commanded or required to learn to praise the name of the Lord because he alone is exalted. Even in regard to prayer we see we read in 2 Chronicles chapter 20 verses 12 to 13 you know when King Jehoshaphat was faced with these three armies that were coming to fight against him and then you know he assembles all the people he tells all the people to assemble the temple and to inquire the face of the Lord to know what to do with this time of despair and need and he asks everyone to fast and pray and we see that we read in verses 12 and 13 of 2 Chronicles chapter 20 that you know their wives and children and little ones stood there before the Lord. Okay so they stood there before the Lord and it was not just the older men and women but also children who were part of this whole you know faith journey of just trusting, seeking God, hearing from him, knowing what to do in this time of despair and need and you know also fast and pray. So you're taught from a very young age to inquire of the Lord to seek his face in times of trouble and to pray to him and to hear what God has to say in their situation. So even the little ones where they're standing you know and hearing from the Lord and part of this whole exercise of just seeking the Lord's face. We also see that children were part of reading of the Lord and we looked at it just a little before you know we looked at it in Deuteronomy chapter 31 where Moses tells the people that when they assemble together even children are required to be there and to hear the reading of the laws of the law. So children are also but also an integral part of hearing and reading of the the law of God. We also read this in in Ezra we also see this in Nehemiah where Nehemiah you know after he builds the walls when the law was being read out by Ezra we see that not only women and men were there but it was also the children who were listening to the law and how they were repenting of their sins. We also see that salvation is not only you know there is no age limit set for the gift of salvation and for the baptism of the Holy Spirit in Acts chapter 2 verses 28 to 39 we read that Peter said to them repent and be baptized every one of you the name of Jesus for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit for the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off everyone whom the Lord our God calls to him. So you know we think that salvation is is only for people who are mature in age or maybe you know after their teens or in their youth they're able to understand salvation but we see and receive the gift of the Spirit but in the baptism of the Holy Spirit but we read in Acts chapter 2 verses 38 and 39 that you know repentance salvation baptism the Holy Spirit is also for children so when children you know at the very tender age can understand about sin about salvation you know so we can teach them the importance of these these two things these two aspects these two doctrines and also you know they're in an age where they can receive and be baptized in the Holy Spirit and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit of course when they're baptized in the Holy Spirit they don't receive a junior Holy Spirit but the same Holy Spirit that we receive as adults they to receive and they can be mighty in flowing in the gifts of the Spirit you know and God would use them mightily. We also see that you know ministering to children was a priority for Jesus we read this in Matthew chapter 19 you know when when parents bought their little children to Jesus to place his hands on them and pray for them the disciples rebuked them the disciples didn't think you know that children should be ministered to but we see the importance that Jesus gave to minister to children you know children were so precious in Jesus' sight he loves them and he wants the children to be brought to them and we read in Matthew chapter 19 verse 14 Jesus said let the little children come to me and do not hinder them for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these so we see that Jesus took time he even though the disciples didn't think that they should be ministered to but Jesus saw them as a priority to be ministered to and he did minister to them now there is a season in a person's life when you know they're most open or most receptive to learning what it means to trust in God and this season is sometime between the ages of four to fourteen years when people or children are more moldable and you know then they will ever be in their lifetime and during the season of life is when children are forming their understanding four to fourteen years you know when they're forming their understanding of the world of relationships of love of God of scripture the truth of the scripture you know about sin salvation so and it's also season you know where children are easily influenced and we should be intentional about ensuring that they get the right impression and also learn the truth and also know the truth and experience the truth and have a close personal relationship with God because this is the time when they are learning about God they're learning about the truth and most of their moral basic moral foundation is also you know established during the age of when a child is almost nine years old so it's very important age group between four to fourteen years when we know we can children are more moldable it's widely believed that more than half of the individuals who come to believe in Jesus do so by the age of 12 so you know there's a good age to talk about sin and salvation and just two more points you know by the time a child is nine years old that basic moral foundation has already been formed so it's important for us you know to provide them with strong ethical and a spiritual framework early on in life where children can be grounded in the truth in God's word they can you know which will serve as a solid foundation on which they can build their moral values and standards as they grow and develop just by before I close I like to say that by the age of 13 many children have begun to develop you know foundational beliefs concerning the nature of God the reliability of the Bible the concept of afterlife and love for Jesus so you know mentioning all of these points we see that you know ministry to children is so important and hence the children's ministry in our churches should be strong well built well established so that children can be grounded in the truth in God's word and have a relationship with him in the very early age thank you everyone over to Pastor Jay Kumar thank you so much Mr. Selena I think that was uh quite an eye-opener just to see that um children's ministry just it's not an add-on or something you know as a time filler what do we do with the children you know let's tell them stories or share some coloring sheets or something like that but it's a very intentional thing because we see right through scripture God wants children to be included thank you for sharing the biblical basis for children's ministry so I just open up this time for all our students and faculty also like if you have any questions for Pastor Selena on children's ministry then please go ahead and share now I might ask these questions yeah I think I see Herbert it's a hand raised up so Herbert you can go ahead and ask your question please thank you so much Pastor Jay Kumar and I hope everyone is okay it has been long so my question means Pastor Selena uh the children say I mean in Matthew's told us that the Bible says that they let the little children come to me uh for the kingdom of heaven is here is theirs so uh there I think they should have said maybe that the kingdom of heaven is for old people and young children that statement normally confuses me as if the heaven is not for old people for adults but only for children since he said that the little children come to me yeah thank you yes thank you uh Herbert for your question I think in this context in Matthew chapter 19 Jesus was the context is about ministering the children and you know the disciples thinking that children should not be ministered too but Jesus is saying that you know the kingdom of heaven or the kingdom of God uh is uh you know also belongs to these children here when he was talking about the kingdom of heaven he was not talking about you know uh about going to heaven but Jesus came to inaugurate the kingdom of God or the kingdom of heaven when he came to the earth he uh he inaugurated the kingdom of God he inaugurated the kingdom of heaven so what he was basically saying is that you know it was not only for the adults to hear the good news of the gospel that Jesus was teaching it was not only for the adults to experience Jesus his miracles uh his work and to hear what he's teaching but you know it was also for uh children which means that the kingdom of heaven is uh you know open to everyone to children and to adults but here it's specifically when Jesus came he came to inaugurate the kingdom of God kingdom of heaven in our physical world in reality and so you're selling the disciples it's not just for the adults but also for children to experience the father's love to experience the works of the father uh and to experience all about the fullness of the kingdom of God the kingdom of heaven did that help her but yeah thank you so much uh and uh i was wondering which uh activities which which which can we do to entice to to make children love God especially from five years to nine to nine eight eight years or nine yeah which activities can we do so we can make them love God and you know grow up when they are knowing Jesus and loving God uh thank you Herbert so uh basically it's about narrating the story the the narratives in the bible that talk about Jesus's love uh and what he has done for us on the cross as well so uh you know uh establishing them in these truths that God loves them you know just uh uh you know even if they're friends around them or they're you know the world around them doesn't seem uh very loving caring but there is someone who loves them who appreciates them who they are precious to who cares for them so I think narratives in the bible that talk about God's love is very very important uh and also you can you know do activities like when they can uh you know show acts of love to others which gives children an opportunity uh to know that they're loved by God but it's not for them to just hold on to that love but that love is to share with uh others as well so not taking children's to children to orphanages and uh to old age homes and uh to children with special needs with homes with children care for special needs and just showing them the love of Christ uh also helps children to understand that love is not just for them to hold on to but also uh to share with others but most importantly is to be ground ground them uh in the love of God uh and what God has done for them so once they're established in the truth you know uh their activities themselves will help them to flow in God's uh love and ask them also to open themselves to God's uh love that is to prayer and worship yes uh any other faculty can add yeah thank you Herbert the other faculty they want they can add to what I've said uh if there's anyone else who wants to add um what Pastor Selina shared about um what kind of activities and I think Herbert asked typically about five year olds five through nine that age bracket um so how to what kind of activities will really get them uh draw them uh to the word and ground them um okay well we can basically I think the activities sorry pastics uh basically activities like you know uh playing with their friends loving uh loving their friends sharing caring because children ages five to nine would like to have everything for themselves but you know just giving them opportunities on how they can uh love and show care and share with other friends their classmates their siblings uh can also be a good activity just to add what Pastor Selina shared um just a practical thing which happened quite recently uh in my house like I was talking to a little nephew I think he's in he's about six years old and so I noticed that whenever we said you know let's pray he'd be just running around uh you know fidgeting feeling a little uncomfortable so just asked him while we were eating having dinner just asked him you know we feel why do you feel awkward or uncomfortable when we pray you know we are talking to Jesus anyway and uh that kind of opened up a whole lot of conversation you know he said uh yeah I know we believe that Jesus we believe in Jesus but um you know but and we believe that Jesus died for us but it seems uh it doesn't seem logical that he would rise again you know uh how would anyone rise you know rise up from the dead then he's six-year-old you know so um and he he lives in the UK so it's he goes to a society which is religious but not really faith is not you know part of everyday life so so he has these questions and so engaging in that simple conversations really helped um so I was able to tell him about you know even though you know his friends might be his peers might be saying might be believing other things but you know you know you've experienced Jesus you know and you can be strong you can talk to him and there's no need to be uncomfortable especially with people who believe differently and so on so so I'm just saying that there could be a simple conversation around simple activities that would you know minister to children as well thank you so any other questions that you might have please go ahead and put it on the chat and also uh you can unmute and ask about children's ministry maybe you have children and what is the right way to minister it could be about um several other things also ask parents how do we do it how do we you know how do maybe uh you know you're ministering to children but how do we um get the help of the parents also and and so many other things so whatever questions come to your mind uh please go ahead okay so Sanjay uh I supposed to saying music is a powerful medium songs based on biblical values will help them learn and grow with the truth very true and these songs will remain with them the words will remain with them as well thank you Sanjay for that so your questions need not be only restricted to children's ministry um yeah okay here's a question from Sam um Sam Matthews has the pandemic affected the way we need to do children's ministry uh to adapt in terms of teaching and learning styles challenges etc so um possibly now if you can thank you Sam Daniel for your question uh yes after uh we uh you know after pandemic when we started ministry in schools I noticed there was a huge difference and a huge change in children's mindset the attitudes uh because they were so confined to the home and basically you know teams um those who in eighth ninth and tenth grade I realized that they were just you know they will they will you know their behavior was really sometimes atrocious and crazy and it's time to understand what is really happening in their minds and why this kind of behavior especially when it's in a co-ed school and I realized that when you know when they left school just before when the pandemic began they would have been in fifth and sixth grade now you know they've all grown and in eighth grade they are all you know teens and you know the girls seeing the guys the guys seeing the girls the hormonal changes everything there's so much of excitement and so you know and also they were just screwed to the screen they were not having they were not interacting much with people so uh uh they they were getting even more violent some of them the way they were even behaving with the teachers the way they were they aren't answering back answering them uh even small children so you know and they their attention span was also very very limited because they were so used to looking at uh you know graphic images just changing every a second because so we're so glued to tv or to uh to uh media so realize that we need to bring in more of videos uh power points uh activities uh more practical life examples uh from which they can pink analyze uh you know issues that are happening around them to talk about that even when you're talking about doctrines or scripture how we need to bring in real life scenarios that they are and the challenges that they're going through not only for teens at any age group so now we've kind of revising our uh uh children's church curriculum and we're bringing in more of case scenarios where we're making it more practical for them to think analyze and learn because during the pandemic uh you know children were left on their own to do everything their studies their project work and everything so i think we need to uh bring in all of these changes and adapt to their mindsets and to the way of thinking more of media more of practical life examples case scenarios get them to think get them to analyze because that is what is going to help them even apply god's truth god's word in their uh everyday life yes i hope that helped and answered your question uh sam okay um thank you sam thank you um let's move on to the next question sheba has a question sheba um so she asks can we teach children about good touch and bad touch how can we teach them and are there any references from the bible so good touch and bad touch about safe physical boundaries uh as children are growing up so yeah over to you selena uh is jeet here on the call um no not today no okay yeah yes it's uh thank you for your question uh sheba shinde uh yes it's important for us to teach children about good touch and bad touch uh you know from a very early age i think even from uh upper kg upwards you know it's important for us to um you know teach children and so i think schools have begun uh teaching children about this uh even in in our children's church uh we are bringing in uh you know uh these topics uh uh and uh life skills and teaching them it's a very sensitive area but uh you know we are just playing about it and uh no waiting on the lord and as he leads and guides but yes it is important for us to teach them uh references from the bible uh you know uh can't tell you off the mind now or anyone else can help with the any references but uh basically you know uh talking about uh uh you know simple scriptures like you know our bodies at the temple of the living god how we need to keep ourselves holy and when paul is writing the committee about uh you know how we need to live our lives how women should dress and you know and all of those things i think those are some of the things that have come to my mind but you know uh i don't okay other faculty can help with some references from the bible um yeah would anyone else be interested to add on to what pastor selena shared maybe something maybe we can share later on with her okay yeah sure um and thank you suzi for that sorry shiba right um but i hope that helped shiba yeah okay so um next we have a question from suzi um it's about how people say that they received the lord as saviour at a young age you know at age five and so on so so her question is is it possible to really understand and be saved at that age um since she joined in a little late um so she just wants to know um and also i i think we addressed it uh about the biblical basis for children's ministry suzi like how right from a young age people are able to understand and how the word talks about the fact to include them in corporate worship to teach them the ways of the lord and so on so yes um which means that they have a capacity to receive they have a capacity to understand um but over to pastor selena to specifically address this um because there has been practical experience as well in the children's church so um yeah over to selena uh thank you suzi for your question um so like i just mentioned in my presentation that there is a season in a person's life when they're most open to learning what it means to trust god and uh so you know researchers and children's ministry child psychology say that the season is between the ages of four to 14 years when children are you know more moldable than ever in their lifetime so and during this season children are forming their understanding about world relationship and the love of god and uh uh children the age of five basically you know they love stories on creation they love stories about how god created the world also about uh you know various narratives about the love of god so even as we're talking about the love of god you know we can uh they're also able to understand at the age of five what is right what is wrong uh so yes you know they can know what is right what is wrong and uh they can understand salvation not in in a very broad sense but uh that you know uh jesus loves them and uh you know that he wants them he saves them from sin what they know the consequences of this sin because they know that when they do something wrong they get punished you know their parents punish them it's it's something that their parents will scold them and you can just talk about in a in their little understanding about how you know god loves them and how a sin kind of destroys their life brings in punishment and shame because they understand that and how jesus came to save them from this so yes children the age of five have accepted jesus christ as their lord and savior i know children in grade one and two who have played the salvation prayer as well uh so and you know from age of four four to fourteen they're very moldable they can uh understand yes because at the age of nine children uh their basic moral foundation has already been formed so it's important for us to teach them and impart the truths in god's word and it's a holy spirit that works in their uh lives so the holy spirit is you know uh can work across any age group he can just speak to them he can mold them and impart into their lives and you know uh you know and they can receive jesus in their very early age yes thank you um susie hope that helps and just a personal testimony you know uh when my daughter was around five five five between five and six is when she received the lord as lord and savior she accepted the lord and it was in a school during the morning assembly when someone shared the gospel in very simple terms the fact that um we need a savior and you know what is sin and and so on and so um so in a way she understood and uh she was when she she prayed the prayer and obviously something happened because uh when when we reach out in faith and when we receive jesus the holy spirit comes in and welts us and you know he he witnesses to our heart so she came home very excited that uh evening and the first thing she told us was that uh you know today there was a prayer and there was an invitation to receive jesus and i did that and she was very excited and from that day on that kind of stayed with her and uh she you know so so they will grow in faith grow in the understanding of what salvation is you know justification sanctification etc but um this growth of the simple truth of receiving jesus and experiencing jesus lord and savior at that age group yes they are able to uh understand thank you okay we have another question from um from esther uh clement and um her question is this you know for teenagers between 16 and 19 it's a sensitive age um they are choosing professional causes and so on and they feel that they are big too big for children church uh Sunday school and too young to be part of youth so how can parents help in this transition so i'm assuming that the church does not have anything to minister to that age group so how can parents help in this transition some practical insight um um but selena you want to share um here i also yeah once you share you can go ahead and share and go ahead and share past jesh you can either also sam if he has any input to add on then i can also share something okay um can i just ask a few things yes um so so usually at this age right when they're kind of you know once they cross 13 or 12 say the the real uh the our whole approach to working with children should change uh you know up to age 12 you know we tell them do this don't do this it's more of an instructional thing um but then when you know 13 uh the whole dynamic changes they're asking questions why um they want to reason they want to understand rather than just follow and so the church also needs to change how it ministers to that age group so for example at apc only recently we started teen church so that means they're saying okay we recognize that we have this exactly like what you said uh as that there is this age group you know that they're they're older than the children but they're younger than the younger does so they're in between and so we need to minister to them differently uh and and you know that their body is evolving faster than their brain the brain is yet to catch up with the the changes in the body and so there's there's this whole inner conflict itself they're experiencing because they trying to reconcile all of those changes um so uh the approach we should take is more to reason explain uh and if they understand why then they will definitely do that rather than just saying do this because i told you so you know do this because i told you so work still age 12 13 on is here's how you know here's why we do it and we explain um then i think also in in in term if i you know if i move from the church setting to the home setting i think the big thing is that as parents we should be involved in the lives of our children you know um the sad thing is many of us parents delegate everything you know when they go to school education is delegated to the teachers they come home homework we send them for tuition so tuition work is delegated to the you know tuition teacher uh and basically the parent doesn't even know what's happening in the life of the child our parents don't even are not even involved and then there is this big disconnect that develops especially during that 13 to 18 year period and then you know you try to catch up and they're 20s it's too late that the gulf has you know developed in something big so i think from the church perspective the church should have also addressed it in a very specific way at home parents should be more involved in the lives of the children you know especially from 13 on you know getting them to understand you know what what do they need to do for education how what are their helping them discover their uniqueness their individual skills are contributing to the nurturing of those skills to be really involved uh as opposed to be disconnected so that's very important between age of 16 to 19 and that kind of leads into what Daniel's you know Daniel Oliver's question is you know do we beat the children or you know and the teenagers do we beat them or not yes there is a certain amount of you know physical discipline that can be done but more than physical discipline it's the the the relationship that matters children are going to listen to you because they believe that they see that you're invest invested in their lives that you believe in them you care for them there's that relationship if that relationship was not there you know how no amount of beating is going to change them you know they'll just say hey yeah you know it's like the child who says i'm sitting down outside but i'm standing up on the inside so it's it's like there's a complete disconnect so the answer again to Daniel Oliver is uh you can essentially do away with beating if we are able to reason with them you know i'm not saying you know that that physical discipline uh it is not important uh but that can be slowly phased out completely uh if we are able to connect with them intellectually and then also spiritually so i think um uh this calls for a lot of involvement from the side of the parents to be very meaningfully involved and i always um you know in my own learning i i always look at like this if i if my children can see that i really care about them then they will get interested in things that care that i care about but if i don't care about the things that they care about they will not bother about things that i care about you know so it's a reciprocal relationship which has to be built in very tangible ways okay that's my thought thank you thank you buster i think that was that was good thank you as sir Daniel for those questions and i think they've been sufficiently answered um any other question any further questions i think we might have time for maybe two more questions before we close so um any pressing questions that you might have uh okay um yes sister natasha you could yeah you can ask good morning everyone it's not regarding the question that we are discussing the topic we're discussing uh as you know i'm a e-learner and i want to keep uh up with the lessons that are going on but unfortunately the videos don't get posted uh in a day or two i mean almost last week i hardly found any videos posted on the college website they get posted on youtube though but if i watch on youtube then i have to watch again to be able to say that yes i have done the lesson you know so just wanted to know about that is it normal for me to be a week or too late or how is it yeah buster nancy i think um um yeah that's our fault so we have to improve things on our side the videos do become available uh you know towards the end of the day they do become available um and yes for the e-learning you have to watch it in e-learning because it tracks your progress but i think all of us as faculty need to be a little bit more um uh what to say more uh you know just to be more prompt in posting it online so um starting with me i was late last week so starting with me i will um i will just remind all of us faculty to post it the same day uh the plan is to post it by 5 p.m the same day it's artistic question i want to do that so i apologize for last week and hopefully from this week um we'll all be back on schedule but thank you for raising that out of this thank you buster uh buster thank you for answering natasha's question a very quick uh um addition and natasha also wanted to share that once the faculty has posted the videos um the students on e-learning have to completely view the video for them to be able to view the content that is ahead uh sometimes what happens is that if the students do not complete viewing the entire video and then complete some of the knowledge checks that may be posted by the faculty the content ahead doesn't get unlocked so that's another uh matter to bear in mind uh but this is when the faculty has already posted all the videos and the content so just wanted to share that as well um so that it's helpful for all our e-learning students thank you thank you buster thank you um buster nancy any um any further questions um maybe we can take one last question before we wind up for today anything on children's ministry or anything else as well uh please go ahead share um so yeah go ahead sister natasha uh while we were talking on the importance of children's ministry and we said different things about what to do but the importance of children seeing the same qualities in parents more than talking you know because i think my children see us do things and that has helped them more because if they don't see what we are teaching them don't see it in us that does more harm than good right thank you yeah any questions uh sister natasha or did you just want to share that we take it for granted that parents are doing that but i think everyone should be reminded that i hope we are doing the same thing that we are teaching the children right okay okay um so i just wanted to ask uh i don't know if people are thinking about the same thing but you know how do i know that i'm called for children's ministry um to say nothing very quickly we have about maybe a minute but um if you can just share one thing you know how do i know that i'm called for children's ministry i think uh you you have the gifts to the gift to function in that calling uh you have the skill the talent to function in that calling and then you have a heart and a burden for children uh and sensitive to their needs and you know you're just uh so for me i didn't know i was going to be full-time in children's ministry but i loved children from a very young age you know i loved them even when i was very small i loved children so uh it was gorgeous actually you know orchestrating those things in my life to see so to say uh you know to function in the role that he is calling me and i also see that he's given me the gifts to enable me to fulfill that function yes thank you thank you so much um so we will pray and close thank you all for joining let's let's pray father we thank you for this uh time in your presence in your word we thank you for all these questions we thank you for those discussions for all these answers lord and lord we pray that you'll continue to enhance our learning and uh and draw them draw each one of us lord to you father god um i pray that um you'll go from strength to strength and glory to glory we come at this day all the classes into your mighty hands continue to speak to us in jesus name we pray amen amen thank you everyone and thank you pastor selena and thank you all faculty for answering the questions god bless bye