 I think the kind of work that Murray does is important in the community. He brings school and links it deeply into the community and the community becomes the curriculum, the place of the learning. I think failure is the best teacher in a lot of ways if it's within a context of support. So that, okay, you screwed up, so now what do we do? That isn't it. So who are you? Now we know that you're not that, so then let's try something else and see where you can thrive. I think his motivation comes from wanting to see us succeed. If you just stay in your own comfort zone, you'll never learn, you'll never grow. Murray doesn't like give up on people, so you feel like you can do anything. Having somebody like Murray in our lives I think is definitely a great thing for us. There's a real push in communities right now to engage. So how do we make a vibrant community? How do we create a resilient community? It's with youth that are engaged, with adults with different organizations. So by breaking that down, there's an unbelievable synergy that just takes off.