 No. Have Nambler looked into it? What is Nambler? What is that? I just feel like they're an organization. Oh, South Park, I remember. Oh, no. Well, they're not just South Park. No, I know that. Well, I think I thought they were. You would think that they belong in South Park, but it's also... Oh, yeah, I don't know that I thought they were real when I first saw the references in South Park. Now, this is pretty... So I've just seen this. Spider-Man No Way Home isn't done yet. The visual effects shots don't get delivered until next week. That seems crazy. Oh, no. Isn't it released in like two weeks from now? Yeah, I think it goes in the summer. Yes, so that means if it's getting delivered next week, it's potentially within a week of when everybody in the world is going to be able to see it, is when it's actually finished. Hey, man, down to the wire, down to the web. Yeah, I've heard that before that Spider-Man is like crunch, but for visual effects. How? Didn't it get delayed? It did get delayed, but filming also got delayed because multiverse of madness is also under crunch as well. Because I mean, they're shooting new scenes, but the film's out in like five months. And they're all shooting a small number of scenes, isn't it? Take the extra time if you need it. It's okay. I think that it's reached a point, because this is what I imagine is happening at Sony's office. We want this film out like at Christmas. And if it's not out at Christmas, then the next time it's coming out is like July. So we're getting it done now. I think I would imagine that that was the conversation that was had. Spondo is only releasing in a summer blockbuster era period or Christmas, like Star Wars. Yeah, okay. Well, I mean, every Spider-Man movie has released in like either like July or Christmas. Well, not Christmas. This is the first one in Christmas, but yeah, every other one's released in July, I think. So same with Star Wars. Every film was released in like May, except for when they did those sequels and they got released in December, but they were meant to be in May. So, yeah, there's all these shenanigans when it comes to scheduling movies. Really? They were meant to be in May? Yeah, but Harrison Ford got injured, so they had to delay shooting by six months. So they delayed all of the film releases by six months for Christmas. Very interesting. Yeah, but I mean, god damn, it is pretty nuts to me that a film, like a major film, is not done yet, ready. Like, I always assumed that films were ready like pretty far ahead of when they were meant to come out, you know? Like did it? Like us naive boys thinking that. Also, Chad is not on screen yet, merely. Oh, do they have to be? Is that how this works? Have they paid enough money to be on the screen? Because that's our new Mizz business model for EFAP now. Oh, okay, I didn't know that. Imagine we did that. Like they have to crack a hundred dollar donation before they can go on screen. Oh, my gosh. And you know what? There are YouTubers that have probably done that. Yeah. Come on, Chad, they'll even do the thing. I want you on screen, but you haven't paid enough yet. Yeah, I saw some people being upset that I'm here because I yesterday told them all, I'm going to be streaming on my Twitch. It's going to have a good time. So you lied to them? The fuck? Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, yeah. You know, Evil comes in a lot of forms now. I mean, I'm still German, so. So another disconcerting thing I've seen related to MCU stuff. A quote from Benedict Cumberbatch of Doctor Strange. He was asked, is this your movie? To which he replied, Well, yeah, that's part of the problem. There's a lot of stuff going on in it. It's like, do I have a character arc in this? Is it working? Oh, my God. And it's bonkers. Yeah. Dude, I feel like the production line for the MCU is at the point where they don't even know what they're making. Like, I don't mean scenes or storyline. I mean, literally, like, is this for Doctor Strange, too? They're like, no, there's a spider about no way home. He's like, oh, oh, okay. Well, I mean, if any of those leaks or to be indicated, it kind of isn't his movie. It's more so Wanda's movie and also it's more so a reference factory of like, oh, look, X-Men. Oh, look, this character you recognize. Oh, look at this universe. Isn't that crazy? That's what that movie seems like. I wouldn't put it past some of this point to have like a portal scene in Avengers 5 where it's just all the franchises. I could see them being so willing to even bring back the original Fantastic Four. Get Chris Evans to play Human Torch again. Yeah, that's not even the original Fantastic Four. Oh, you could bring back that too, yeah. For the Roger Coleman ones. Yeah, no, you can bring back that too, yeah. If they're still live, I don't know. They used animated series. Yeah, hello, everybody. Evab164. Hi, how are you? Amazing. This is Christmas. Look at that cover. Isn't it freaking amazing? Oh, just, it's just, it captures it. It captures Christmas. Yes, it does. You love the icicles, the gingerbread, the snow, the even chat giving all icicles stuff. You love all the icons, the Christmas icons. Oh. I'm working on it. That's fine. It's okay. Yeah, that's fine. I was going to do a snowman, but yours is, you've got one. There's a snowman. No, my deal. My ace in the hole. I feel like you can still be a snowman. We could be snow bros. We could, but I think a level of variety. Give each other snow jobs. No. No. I didn't consent. Look at Rags in his little Christmas suit. Yeah. We did this in the discord and I thought it was wonderful, so I used it. Nice. Yeah, we haven't been. EFAP hasn't been live for two weeks now, I think. Yeah, not. Yeah, that's been a while. The other thing is, chat, get this. There are two complete EFAPs that have been recorded that are ready to go, but it's got to fit them in the timeline correctly. Another meme FAP has been completed and a whole EFAP that will release soon enough on a particular timeline to match a thing. Anyway, I can't wait to see how everyone reacted to that one. Yeah. It's all done. I don't even know what happened. I just want to say that much so that chat will be like, what are they talking about? I better not miss it. Memephaps don't count. That is racism right there, Mr. Self Destruction. That's not true. You don't count. Memephaps a lot and I think they get unfairly attacked. Disproportionately, you might say. It takes still time to do. It takes a shit ton of time and effort from everybody, like the community fucking rock it in those ones. We still got, you know, all the is it okay? No. No, but I've seen someone else praise the hell out of that show so I'm going to have to see that soon. Have you seen arcades? No! People are talking about this new TV show. A new movie today just came out in Australia. I talked about the brand new movie yesterday with Ringy. It's always 60 years old. Shut up, it's new. Relatively speaking, compared to the existence of the universe. Like, you know, Jesus is old. Cosmic timeline, it's very new. Really new. Oh, just shiny. It ain't arcane. There's going to be some people talking about it. It ain't the dark night. It ain't yo-yos. No, we don't really have invincible. No, I still haven't seen that. No, I don't want to watch that. I don't care. Anyway, yeah, because, you know, we got to get going. I don't know how much time I have today hopefully enough to get the whole fapping done. I can't promise. Which means we should dive right in. The format today is going to be about what we thought we'd do each. And then we will talk about the movie from start to finish. Probably take about two hours maybe. We don't want to turn too long. And then we're going to respond to a video that has been received in a controversial way regarding the fatal flaw of the movie. I'll be very interested to know what the video would posit in such a degree. But before that, you know, how's everybody doing, guys? Nice to see you. I'm doing okay. I'm doing alright. It's Christmas time. We're in the Christmas month. It's amazing. It's been really warm here. I guess for Fringy, allegedly, in Australia during their winter, it's like warm. Which is, that's hot. I mean, let's be fair, if you did more reason to not believe that place exists. I know, right? The simple basic details, I don't get right. They fucked that up. Yeah, really. You got to double-check this kind of thing. But when I mean, that's just basic world-building of the failure of that. But here, it's like t-shirt weather outside. It's been crazy how warm it is. That's pretty cold here in German land. Roundabout, perfect. Well, so, fortunately, it ain't hell yet and I think it might not be because of weather systems. This might be a cool summer compared to what it could be. I like the idea that you guys, instead of a thermometer, you just have this thing that detects weather or not, it's hell. It's a binary. The red light turns over and it's hell now. We are currently in hell. Please stay inside. Oh, man. Nice. Crimbus time. Work is getting slower for me. That's nice. And I have like two more weeks of work, which I'm looking very much forward to. Yeah. Do you guys just want to get into this? Well, I guess we can. We'll do our classic. We'll open with individual overall perspectives of the movie. I would be curious. I would like to go last if that's all good because I'm very curious to hear what else is thought first. And I do you want to go? Who wants to go first? I'll just go left to right. But you go last, I guess. Well, we can go right to left. We'll go right to left and I'll switch. I can last. Right to left would be you first, right? Well, we can go right to left, but I can go last. But I'm going last. We can go. We'll go top to bottom. Okay, top to bottom. Okay. Bias should be last, but let me see. I really liked it. I hadn't been to a theater in since the rise of Skywalker. And so it was really nice to be back in that sort of setting to be mansion on the popcorn to be sitting in the we had nice seats in the place we went to to have the the noises and the big screen and to just have that kind of environment. And I think that this is a movie that really is helped greatly by being in a theater. This is definitely a theater movie, I think. There's a lot of big scale stuff that happens. The music is good at setting tone and sort of ambience I feel. But overall, I really liked it. I really liked the acting. I thought the pacing was pretty good considering how long it was. Though one place stands out in particular, but I really enjoyed looking at the aesthetics of this world and the design and seeing the places and hearing characters talk to each other. I was really kind of impressed with the whole thing. So we can go from there. Overall good then? Overall, yeah, yeah. All right. I guess, Fringio Mello if you want to go. Sure. The voice. Come back, okay. Right, yeah. Well, I really liked the visuals. They were really, really nice. I did not see it in the cinema, unfortunately. But yeah, I like the costumes. I like the whole visuals. I like the technology they show. It's pretty neat and interesting. All the factions are very easily distinguishable like they have different suits, different armor with different colors that match their their traits from the respective factions. I really like the ship designs. But personally I found that movie to be a bit of a drag. I wasn't super invested in it. I like the characters as well. Pretty much every character interaction I liked. I could totally buy that they all have known each other for a long time especially like in the House of Atreus. I got the feeling they all like each other and are pretty familiar with each other and care about each other. But I have a hard time judging if I like it or not on its own. I think I need to see what comes next to tell you exactly what it felt like because it felt like a really long intro to the rest of it. Fine name. Sorry Rex. When I watched the film I I had the feeling like oh that was cool but there's something wrong here. That was kind of my feeling when I walked out of the cinema. I think it was because the cool was this is a really cool world. I like the ships. I like the designs of the machinery. I like the idea of these competing factions and this planet. It sounds amazing. On a production standpoint this film is excellent. But I don't quite know how I feel about it yet. The main concerns I think I have is that it is pretty obvious that this film is like not a complete story. It seems to me like this film is so it seems to me like this film is because I know the book has been split and so the second film is going to be the rest of the book. You look at this film and it feels like basically the whole movie is all about act one. When we hit the end the story is going to begin now. Everything we've seen was essentially the introduction the build up to the inciting incident and then the story is going to happen. I guess that's that's fine. As a choice I suppose it just means that how I feel about the movie overall may well be entirely contingent on that next film. But even what's here I think the characters are fine but I'm not sure that I would say that they're much better than that. I guess I'm kind of invested but I don't know that there's anything that I find particularly remarkable about the character writing and in terms of like the plot and certain aspects of the way that the world works I got some serious questions about how it all functions so right now I'm not sure what I think yet. I did think it was cool and I enjoyed it as an experience watching it but yeah I don't know yet we'll find out by talking about it. Very well. For those in chat who've seen enough of RealDVC and OpenBar you'll know all I've said is that I thought it was good, I enjoyed it a whole bunch and I've talked specifically about certain praises I have for the film which will probably bring up in these conversations. I've seen it four times I think it was my first time through I really really had a lot of fun I know right I was very entranced by the world, thought it was really cool I was very upset when it ended because I was like oh no that's the end of this that's the content is done I have to wait now two years or whatever before I get more and just had fun with a bunch of things but you know how it goes the whole brain was like what did I like? I definitely liked all the performances I thought this film was very well casted I just loved the look of everything the feel, I was not bored I was not as a lot of people say with the pacing I was fine with it, I was just absorbing everything that was happening and then my brain was like what about that thing though and I was like yeah that's not a thing I understand but that's fine and then it was like what about that other thing and I was like brain what are we doing and I was like what about that other thing and I was like okay alright and so upon completing it the second time I was like hmmm hmmm I'm not sure what I would rate this film in terms of how well it's written and I will be saying a couple of things today that are probably going to annoy everybody that I liked this film a whole bunch before saying all the things that I was picking up I couldn't possibly settle on any kind of number or word to rate this film just yet I feel like if we go through it over this next while we'll be able to be a bit more definitive but you know how it works here precious EFAP audience zero reference to the book and how well this adaptation is written and if there are questions that are answered in the book this doesn't get that benefit anymore than Star Wars does and you're dealing with at least three people who've not read the book and I personally knew fuck all about doing story like at all I just... I played the RTS back in the day that's all I have had so yeah be afraid be very afraid I'm more than happy for us to go through chrono geologically and just chat about how everything goes because there's going to be at least one person in chat who hasn't seen this film we'll give them the way it works and then we'll go from there I'm just going to reconnect and just go through it because I'm roboting a little bit there he goes now he's back I'm not forgotten I'm seeing a lot of mixed things in chat too in terms of what people think of this movie seeing a lot of it's boring which we're going to try to do our best to not simply say that alright like I said I didn't find it boring but I understand people finding this boring yeah I can understand why people would say that I don't understand why people would say Van Helsing is boring but you're a nostalgia critic that's bullshit claim those people are wrong I don't understand that there is no excuse so yeah I don't know I guess we'll start it's like the film opens and we immediately get exposition naturally I feel like a film like this is pretty much always going to have some form of intro exposition be it the title cruel or someone describing something to somebody or they're just describing it to us um but they're like there's a planet Arrakis it's got spice and this is again this is for people who have no idea what Dune is and didn't even see this film right so it's sci-fi set in like the year 10100 or something um there are families and uh it's planets across a whole universe and the emperor controls everything and delineates all these different aspects different houses and there's this one planet called Arrakis or Dune I think both of those names for the planet Arrakis is the name of the planet but I'm not sure if it's officially called I don't even think it's the fat guy does call it he says it's my Dune yeah the fat guy big chungus some people saying Dune is the nickname yeah Dune is the empire's name for it there you go but yeah it's got spice on it which is like a how do you describe spice not what it does but what it is it seems to be some kind of sand like material lighter version of sand in a way yeah it's like a very light um it's like um spice almost I mean it acts essentially like a power understanding of spice in terms of its physical characteristics it's very light it's like dust sort of yeah and it's real valuable you have to mine it process it from the sand sort of I think and the thing Arrakis is filled with the native people that are the Fremen and who are practically characterised by being ruthless and violent and greedy yeah and they and so we're shown right at the beginning like what happens when they try and spice mine and the two factions will battle each other while that's happening and you can only do it at I think at night because it's too hot during the day for the Harkindons I think that's the idea yeah because what we find out later is people have to wear them and do pursuits to maintain like moisture still suits are called or what they call them yeah still suits and they were saying that the intro just says like we really we couldn't push them back but they were forced to leave by the emperor and then who will be our next oppressors that's like the opening you're like alrighty then which again you know just normal story stuff you got a lot of information to get across to us you do wonder though like what is the limit for an intro like description of events or the situation I don't know I don't know if I could really say for certain I think you can get away with a whole lot if you make it very interesting and entertaining like it's a story in a story like Lord of the Rings kind of yeah exactly like Lord of the Rings where you're you can introduce a lot about the world and the important stuff while also telling this sort of inner story the Fremen are colonizers not natives Josh Brolin's character describes going native they're the natives they're considered the natives well so if they mean like they were the first people to be there ever then I don't know what like the definition means of being a native of place at that point that's what I'm saying because they're like like the only place where humans were native was a very specific section of Africa so like but that's not how we use the word if you were the first people there I think they're the first there and they're the one who traditionally have lived there yeah so the Fremen would be like the natives of the planet yeah I know yeah then good old Paul wakes up our main character and we don't really waste any time he gets to the breakfast table and his mum is like hey you want some water and he's like yeah and then he's like gotta use the voice and again as someone who knows nothing about doing it all I was like the fuck people were expecting like a funny noise give me the water mom you're like oh jays okay fine god the voice is just so annoying that people will do anything you want just to make it stop fine I'll do it just stop it mom give me the water just take it take it fucking hell jeez I'd say it's pretty much one to one with Jedi mind trick feels that way yeah but maybe that's where because Dune was pretty influential on like basically the science fiction that followed us I'm just trying to explain it to anybody who doesn't understand like that's how it works basically there's a kind of magic system in this you have witches and there's some kind of a like a psychic power that can be utilized depending on who you are but it's it's sort of ill defined there's a few things that it can do some people who can use this magic can see the future see it to the future to certain degrees they can use this voice to command people to do things but it sort of exists out there yeah and you got to get the tone right is what she says I don't know if it's like matching the speaker's voice or the person you're trying to control's voice or something but the point is just that it's hard to master um and she says Ben a Jeserit skills take years to learn Paul and if you watch the scene pretty sure that's an 80 odd line I'm assuming just so they can get that word out there is straight away so that we can at least have it in our heads because it gets repeated a couple times Ben a Jeserit is a very strange like what is that there's so much for them to establish though I don't necessarily blame them for having some lines that are a bit chunky with words so yeah then he's just having to sit down in his room and it's like he's listening to just little infomercialy thing where it's like Arrakis is hot Sam storms they hurt Fremen have suits to protect them from stuff on Arrakis they live with the worms extended spice exposure gives you blue eyes the Fremen are dangerous they're unreliable spice isn't a hallucinogen spice is used to travel through the stars well across the universe I guess and it's the most valuable substance in the universe it was at this point when I first watched I was already like pulling my collar like okay guys you could try a little bit harder getting me this information I was about to ask because even the first time I was like man really this is kind of I mean like I don't know if I like it I don't know if I like it as an expedition dump like especially after we just got the intro scene and then we just listened to him I guess listening to a thing describe it all schooling or something so I I wouldn't even call it I don't know if I want to call it bad I was just kind of lame as issues go for me it's lower level but it's still like yeah you could have tried a little harder at least they frame it in the sense of Paul is learning about the place where he's going to be going at least there's some reason for it it's not just out of nowhere in a sense it's not like two characters talk yeah at least it's not two characters telling each other things they already both know yeah yeah that would that would be bad just flat out because characters are talking about something that they shouldn't I guess it's just that this is this is like the easy way to do it is to just have the information relayed very clinically you know in the same way that I would want to learn about something if I wanted to learn it properly instead of having it revealed through conversation how important spices or other aspects of where it comes from just yeah and to be fair I'm more than willing to believe it because it's all fantasy aspects but just like being told spices and a hallucinogen that people enjoy also it can let you travel through the universe like what oh well I mean is that people huff like petrol when that helps you drive your car so I guess I could I could see it's unusual I think it's unusual because we don't think of because they use spice and it looks like spice and it has the physical properties of spice but they're also like also it enables interstellar travel it's just yeah I can like I said I wouldn't even need necessarily the fantasy aspect to believe it but with that it's it's rock solid at that point but I it just it just came across as almost all I was like oh that oh okay it's like that is that shit that planet is valuable as fuck at that point yeah so then yeah I think he has some visions and he keeps seeing spider-man's girlfriend and it's like damn we're getting multi-verse stuff already geez I didn't want to say it but you did already immediately I'm good now now I have no say it all the time um yeah let me have like a ceremony where the emperor's ship has arrived at um which is the atreides family's planet yep to officially say that because this is the this is the drama that we get into straight away which is just that arachis because this is going to get difficult for anyone listening without much context yeah dune the control of dune has been taken from the harkinans and is being given to the atreides house which on I was going to say which on his face you might just be like okay that is incredibly controversial for this universe um because the harkinans have had the planet fucking ages it's a really great place for them to make loads of money and get loads of power both houses see this as a move like a chess move by the emperor to stop fucking things up um but through loyalty they are going to accept this uh request uh were you going to say something about it for me or oh what you you've just said it basically whoever controls arachis that is incredibly significant in this world yeah because you basically have sole control over the resource that is necessary for this whole world to function um it's a big deal once the control of dune does shift over decades the harkinans lost control due to the low output well the way it's treated in this film is that the harkinans have had it for ages and losing it makes them very angry 80 years pretty sure they also say they made more money than the empire itself so I think they're doing pretty well in the canon of this movie well the harkinans are doing really well and so the problem for the emperor according to this movie with both houses is the harkinans are getting very very rich and the atreides are getting very very popular um and so this move is supposed to I assume when we watch the future movies do damage to both houses from the emper's POV yeah um we can talk more about that as we go though but I'm just trying to make sure the pieces are in place good ol oscarisic fresh out of star wars jumping into this movie now this would have been filmed when would this when would dune have been filmed 2019 they really would have just like been done with maybe a presser ticket for rises oh my god I can do a movie now yay yeah he signs with his little signet ring which has a level of significance feel like it's worth pointing that out and he's making sure his son is watching him because it's all very honourable you know it's like houses to atreides will accept this request oh no rags just said he's lost power oh no battery well hopefully he can return at some point because that means he's completely wiped out I fucking hate losing power because I don't that often no that's bullshit said I should get one of those you can buy like a little pack that gives you like 20 minutes of energy before shut off as a backup it's like that's a good idea I think that would be a good idea for you yeah I should get one that's like a day those things are like really expensive because you use them normally for like server racks and shit mm-hmm alrighty and yeah so that's completed and then yeah I think we meet Duncan Idaho played by the wonderful Aquaman it's funny he's um he's got his Aquaman charm in this film like yeah yeah and he's just like he's just gonna have that in all of his roles isn't he yeah I think he's just a chill dude yeah I think he's said to president of Aquaman as well it's like yeah Aquaman funny lad he's a bit of a dude but then he doesn't have a beer player on looks weird and I think we get it it is weird to see him without a beer we get our one joke in the film question mark because I know that there was an article being like there was only one joke in the whole movie where which is fine with me by the way you don't have to have jokes holy shit yeah um people are getting upset that there weren't that many like jokes or funny moments in this film I don't care it depends on what the movies try to go for it's funny on one hand people always say oh Marvel there's like only jokes and then when there's no jokes in here it's like so what I can't watch a movie if there's no jokes there's a whole genre for you you can watch it's called comedy someone said there was the spit joke was that a joke or was that just he spits and then they're like outrage and then they're like thank you for your moisture I guess you could say that's funny yeah it was kind of awkward because they didn't know about it I like the the interaction between those two in this scene totally by that they have been knowing each other for a long time it feels like Duncan's some kind of uncle that's chill yeah and then yeah the line specifically I think is like oh you've been working out and he goes oh wow really does it feel that way? no it's delivered so quickly and yeah Duncan he had a vision that Duncan is going to go to the Fremen and he's going to die and he's like please take me with you I'll be there and I'll save you and he was like nah I'll get fucking court marshaled or whatever if I did that crazy boy but also bye bye I'll see you in Arrakis yeah we're like it's Jason Momoa he's not gonna get killed like that he's gonna be in the whole movie doing cool things alrighty which pushes us to a scene where papa and son have a chatty with each other yeah Arrakis is trying to sort this problem out I don't know what else we can do but move on you know and virtually though it would have been really awkward if this had happened like Temmest before we started because then I'd be like what the fuck do we do now yeah we would tell everybody in chat you know what go home let's stay here you can go home whatever take your popcorn away it was okay I'm painful that yeah so leto atreides right that's his name and Paul they're having a chat Paul basically saying dad I don't want to do what you're doing I'll be king whatever and he's like bro what's the line something like like people aren't like born leaders great men are called an answer yeah yeah but the thing is he finds your way as I did yeah and he says even if your answer is no then you'll be everything I wanted you to be my son I was like oh okay I love this guy yeah he's he's alright well I mean you know because it's not like it's spoilers at all but I would be curious what everyone's picks are but he was my favorite in the movie Isaac I did like him yeah he was awesome we'll get more on that as we go but yes he sees he's like it's okay you can you can do whatever you want I wanted to be a pilot I was crazy too which is a good line because it'll feed right into him piloting later which will okay that won't come across as any kind of jarring you know um then we move into the what you could call better exposition but still I have issues with it for more information about combat in this world the scene is our lad is just doing some training with Josh Brolin who's like the best guy with weaponry and like all of House of Trades and possibly the universe the way that some people talk about him yeah and so yeah and we find out quickly everyone has personal shields that the way they work is anything that's fast will get blocked anything that's slow will not and there's a really awkward line where I think they're fighting and Josh Brolin goes the slow blade penetrates the shield it's like how the fuck wouldn't he know that right by now like that's just one of the most good that you said that I suppose and yeah it's quite well done visually like it's always blue if the shields deflecting something it goes red it's probably going slow enough for it to go in um so wanna talk about the shields now or later I don't know when the better time to talk about them will be maybe once we have more references probably during the big fight alright we will save the shield discussion for the big fight alright chat calm down I'm sure there's plenty of people in chat right now who are like I love those shields oh those shields are dumb you all have a fight we'll get there later yeah alright sorry so then we get the bed of Jezera no wait we well Harkin in scene first where Dave Batista is like this is an insult this is ridiculous I want dude and then Barron Harkin and is like the emperor is a greedy man or something and this dude was not given to the house of tradies out of love jealous and powerful man something like that yeah the implication of course being that this isn't something house Harkin should be too upset by at least at first there may be more to it it's like ooo interesting and then Paul's woken up given a once over by the doctor who also tells him the bed of Jezera they kind of do their own stuff it's like when I was first watching I don't know about you guys the fuck is the bed it's too much to deal with right now it's a weird cult of women do magical stuff they also use three different languages in this scene like the sign language I don't know the doctor moon language I don't know what that one was and then the normal English it's like look we have all these languages we can use oh okay I could understand it because I'm multilingual no because it's subtitles I also speak long well that's cheating it's like all the languages combined so that's not fair um so yeah I try to make people appreciate how when you just have zero context for this stuff how bizarre this is to see but what you see is your main character is like there's some old lady today and he walks into the room and she does the voice on him to the point where he's dragged right in front of her and then she's like put your hand in this box of pain and if you struggle too much I'll stab you with something that kills you straight away it's funny how it sounds but that's exactly what it is and I was like what in the world is happening oh look how the fuck did we get here it's such a funny dialogue I think but he just asked what's in the box and she just says pain pull out TLGA you're like oh my god but um man you're left with a concern though it's like man Paul is like really important you got to kill him you say that like it's so imagine the consequences he just kills him he is a he is an important person very important yeah by the way before you go too far there was like I think a fart sound it sounded like a legit fart when they were fighting I don't know if you want to go back and check it out I listened back to it twice I'm almost certain someone farted during that fight I'm going to be honest I'm not too concerned about confirming if this is a fart that's really amusing that is very amusing um I listened back to it like two or three times then we were like a let people in chat do it confirm it 1655 I have a timestamp oh 1655 do 54 just to be sure I don't know if it was my file baby but I it sounded like a fart my 1655 they're not even fighting they're just talking let it run for like one or two seconds I think it's very shortly after after rolling down I guess I'm on the move today no that's just the sound of their shields it's going I legit thought it was a fart sound it's supposed to sound cool bro you're making it sound all layman farty how could you do it in that one moment it sounded like a fart and I laughed it's child ringing it's ridiculous you didn't I watched it on my own I watched it with you today not today not today Zerg I better mute it again so yeah again for people who are like so old lady in room he walks in she's like put your hand in the box of pain if you can't handle it I'll kill you very bizarre circumstances and I just wondered like is this actually real is this happening if she kills him because he's like the son of house okay but yeah he struggles for a bit has some flashes of visions and then he nails it and we find out yes that's one of them I think I've heard of that dune quote for a while just like the spice must flow yeah what's in the box lie you're a fucking liar you're a liar he's lying to you so we get another bulk exposition moment for the Ben & Jesuits because again this film is just having a little bit of trouble trying to figure out ways to tell us stuff so in a way so old lady is now talking to Paul's mum because Paul successfully got through that um little test she's like you've been training him in the way did you think the mum was like did you have to go that far and then she's like well you chose to train him you had to be tested you were told to be only daughters and yet you and your pride thought you could raise some shit what a strange thing to say considering Paul is already an adult it's so weird Norquord to listen to it makes me think like if there was a movie called EFAB we're starting it from now in our continuity if you will and the first episode is hello everybody man it feels amazing we've been doing this for three years and two months or whatever springy isn't it weird because we met it exactly this day and it's been oh mel we were back in 2015 it's just like what the fuck why is he and yeah just being like you you were told to be daughters not a son just like why are we doing this conversation now cause I'm seeing people say that Paul's like 15 16 doesn't change anything like it's still he's been alive for a while and this is a weird thing to say about somebody who's whose existence like has been a thing for a while like to just be like man he's chastising it how do you have this conversation yet you know I don't know you've been late so let's go away someone said you do this very often actually well so I do actually point out like little connections and stuff and histories here and there but what I just highlighted I've never done where I just do it all in a row and very clunkily it's just like to the point where the fellow cast members would stop pointing it out they'd be like um you sound like a fucking idiot idiot by the way when he's hang on Ben and Jeserit have a breeding program they can choose the gender of their child it's like that doesn't address anything I've noticed a few things that haven't had anything to do with the things that we've said so I look forward to the conversation about the shields to be as specific as possible she's pointing out like wow you had a son where we told you to have daughters it's like yes that's been the case now for over 15 years for over 15 years unless she just didn't know or she's just restating it because of the noise here in which case that's just dialogue I'm not a huge fan of she's restating it while she's just so happy to be watching this story unfold it's a little odd another thing we're highlighting a couple instances throughout so far of exposition being like it's just one of my major issues with the film so I just want to make sure we're flagging them as they come up any individual instance is mostly fine when you see a lot of them you're just like that's a shame but as problems go it's very low scale anyway Mel what are you going to say when he's holding his hand in the pain box we see the mother in front of the door being like in pain quote unquote as well when I was talking about it on my stream like some people thought she maybe was helping Paul with getting through the pain I'm not sure I've seen people say that's what was happening that she's trying to like take some of it for him I don't know if that's what was happening or not I don't know if she was just sort of freaking out yeah because she knows the pain because she probably did that test as well I'm guessing I look at a lot of people in chat like no no she wasn't no it was like I don't know I'm asking it's not clear what's happening you can't tell just from the movie yeah because she was just like yeah I don't know what the extent of these Ben and Jeserite powers are I don't know I couldn't say for sure that's all oh yeah and Paul heard the conversation because he was just standing I thought that was kind of funny she just walks back and he's just like I was listening to all that by the way he's like wow and then you get another awkward line where he's like I think he says something about Ben and Jeserite and she's like you don't know things about them he's like you steer the politics of the Imperium from the shadows I know another just slump yep all right that's more information we needed but was delivered in a very just okay and then she says we've carefully crossed bloodlines to bring forth a mind powerful enough to bridge space and time past and future to bring us a better future when I heard that one I was like fucking hell what are we doing elegant like an actual sentence is one of those ones where I'm just like what did I hear that again this is like it's not going to make sense for you again you're like okay I'm not questioning that it would make sense for her to say this I just don't think it was a very well done line yeah I don't know what that any of that means but okay um yeah and then they leave that's pretty nice and chill that's pretty great uh where are we next what is the next thing that happens lots of visuals I'm kind of skipping past you but I don't mean I think we're just going to do now I think so yeah and they all have like armor suits I want to want to flag that up too because I'm going to bring that up later I like I kind of like the look of them even though they're like I was minimalist I guess yeah I like it with music which is nice you have seen a lot of people complain about the bagpipe music I have no problem with it I mean I was one of the few people who have to see the film praise the soundtrack and a lot of people were like wait you like the soundtrack and I was like yeah really cool like like that thing that was awesome listen to it as well a couple of times on YouTube just the full set from on Zimmer and I was just like yeah I like this soundtrack I was a surprise I didn't expect to see any bagpipes in this movie and they just go out with bagpipes like oh okay that's cool but a lot of people say they're very jarring or they just don't seem like they fit and I don't know what else happens in music discussions where I'm just like I thought it was fine I think the bagpipe thing is just could you see like an official things in reality where you have like a bagpipes playing or some instrument or a horn uh yeah I'm problem with it why did someone write you wrong before you said anything nah that happens that happens a lot here you started your sentence and it just popped up I was like why what wrong wrong um so they arrive at Arrakis and they even being welcomed but there's a dude who's like a that's just left over from the Harkins who forced them to be like happy and welcoming whenever they arrive and stuff like oh that's sad um yeah and they're all just like setting up and I suppose and it's kind of nuts because at this point we're almost 40 minutes into the film yeah if we just arrived it's just pretty crazy so this is the difference between me and I guess some other people some people I know would say like fucking nothing has happened this is so poorly paced meanwhile I was like oh god 40 minutes has gone by damn that was quick so I you know I mean I think it depends on because I said earlier that it's like I think the film is like act one but again the whole act break stuff that's like you know there's it's not all stories are adhering to that kind of structure and we've had a bunch of information we've had stuff happening um I I guess I because I haven't read the book so I didn't know how long it would take for them to go there um yeah I I don't know I was interested in the stuff that was happening um oh man the writers said apparently there was a car accident that was taken out of power pole and so his area is just out of electricity for now that sucks that does suck damn sorry to hear it doggo first crimbus e-fap um and yeah I have no idea what the timeline is for getting something like that fixed yeah no clue hmm that face um I've seen someone mention it in in chat let's see how fast along this conversation will be um I know the YMS is probably the spearhead in terms of creators to criticize this so we can open with with his thing I think it was him anyway but he reckons the dragonfly ships are dumb as fuck and wouldn't they wouldn't work mechanically um some people in chat have said this uh I just I feel like I don't know enough about engineering to be able to say anything confidently about that I think my thought when I was watching the film and I didn't think this at first when I saw them it was during the sandstorm scene later when they had a close-up on them it's like man a lot of moving parts um man like I don't know if I'd want that many moving parts like on my on my uh flying machine especially if it's the future and we have like VTOL tech and stuff you know we've got we've got thrusters and hover tech in this world so it's pretty strange to see something so very mechanical um as for whether or not they'd work you get a little bit of excuse because this is sci-fi so whatever if you come up with you can assume they have materials or engineering that account for that I don't know no spaceships would work in reality we have spaceships the fuck do they mean no spaceships work in reality we have spaceships we did that already we've done that um but I don't know that it's not worth having a little bit of it say for example you know like hyperdrive or something so we talk about that realistically and if you go well it's just sci-fi it's like well you can open that conversation if you want to um I guess it's the whole thing of like there are certain elements right faster than light travel that man like I'm not sure I think we don't know if that's possible right now but then just like well we don't have that we can't do our planet hopping stories we need to get people to these places quicker than this probably possible and it's just like okay yeah we figured it out um yeah and uh I'm not gonna be bringing up these things it's like ah this is a huge vlog as well but I just I'm curious about people's thoughts on the design because I know a lot of people think they're done as fuck I think they look cool I think they look awesome um but I I'll be completely honest I didn't think about if they work or not I just so I was like oh that's neat I like how they look and then I stopped thinking about it but I guess when you I don't know if they work like if they would work even in this universe as a free accelerator so many moving parts and they connect to these little tiny things yeah and if you like at this point you can just use a helicopter and it will be much more useful you do one really like that yeah I guess I guess the thing that I was thinking is like on a sand planet in particular it's like is there any concern about sand getting into there and messing with those parts well that doesn't happen especially well yeah I mean that that was why I was thinking about it but also like you know when that thing touches down it's gonna be shooting sand all over the place it's like I guess there's no avoiding that but maybe if you have like thrusters it's just not um it's not gonna be as much of a concern um yeah you know there's them obviously what it's evoking and it's just it looks kind of neat to me but I don't have much thoughts beyond that I know some people would want to take it further and be like no that technology is retarded and it's like maybe I'd have to be convinced I'm not I'm not I don't know enough about how like helicopters and stuff and things like that work to give an argument for whether it would work I said helicopter doesn't be reliable bullshit as well like it's probably shit too maybe even worse I don't fucking know I would need to look up so many mechanical things I don't know shit about that yeah I don't have no idea that would be actual nitpicking it's like I don't know I don't know I don't know enough about it to say I just know that um you can get different criticisms like that can definitely exist about like mechanical elements to technology I don't have a problem with that um so yeah we're trying to settle in good ol uh I'd better say Jason Isaacs Oscar Isaac is talking with good ol Josh Brolin the Moon Knight and Thanos are talking about the place and how it's doing it's doing great again not really he basically says like they need to secure particular areas to have any chance of sustaining this place because the job is set now we're in crunch time already in terms of getting this to work and he wants to for the honor of his house but also to approve that this is something that he can um achieve it's like alrighty um and yeah when you get to this point in the movie I'd say it's like I guess that is the movie then we're going to be trying watching House of Trades try to make use of uh dune in a sense I guess that's not quite what the story is going to be um so then we get a scene of a bunch of house maids sort of auditioning and the mom being like hey you everyone else leave you you're holding a weapon there aren't ya and she's like no maybe that she's like well whatever you're hiding there isn't going to be enough it's like alrighty what if it's a gun it's just sort of face um um so I don't really know how to summarize this scene better than saying she pulls out the knife it's a called a crisp knife it's made of like the tooth of sand worms it's real sharp and the lady starts going blah blah blah blah blah blah um and says like prophecy or whatever or she's getting all excited because this is apparently following a prophecy of some kind it's like ok ok ok ok you got it anyway moving on yeah let me see Paul is just chilling outside and he sees uh the palm tree man giving water to them palm trees like these palm trees they can they take the water needed to like sustain five men every day or something like that um and Paul is like oh so should we come down then save the water and he's like no no no they're sacred like alright I think that's all we get and then they get burned later that's all we get with those yeah until baby's the second movie I don't know yeah I was very confused by the scene you on the second watch was like why do we why are we talking about the trees I don't get it I guess it's just uh info about the place that's that's all I got like I don't ironically remember enjoying the scene but then on like future watchers I was just like I'm not sure for exactly um other than a stat like making it like Paul takes an interest in the average goings on of the world you've got they treat palm trees very well these at least these ones very sacredly it's like it it's not like a problem I just wonder that um we're on a tight time budget with something like dude and you're gonna want to take every advantage of it meanwhile if this were a season like a 10 episode season I don't know that I would find any problem with this at all in terms of um making you see a time yeah yeah but um yeah I'm not sure world building I guess I mean to some degree you can draw something out of it he mentions that the um the Fremen are there and they're uh very used to the point of the sun's the point they don't even care about heat stroke or something like that then then we get what I would say is the first scene where things start to not line up for me um so he's watching another fucking tv show about things he's gonna need to know later and things we need to know sandwims are real big you gotta do a special little walkie dance to avoid them and there's very little life uh in Arrakis but of what is there it's cultivated kind of by the fremen like okay um but yeah it's like you gotta find another way of giving us information movie because it's getting lame but that's fine then a tiny droid burns a hole through his wall that's a thick wall by the way and I was like what the fuck what is going on here and um it's looking around and he like realizes his shield is on the table it's not with him so he's getting stressed and like when I was watching this I was like oh shit is he like are we is he close is this life in danger okay but I didn't really understand what was happening here the thing drives right up to his eye but doesn't stab him because I think we're supposed to assume by him standing in the paused part of the tv show thing it's confusing the droid on what exactly it's looking at yeah and then the housekeeper walks in and it distracts the droid to the point where it goes to stab him straight away but he grabs it before it can and saves it he grabs it I have many questions first of all it has a controller is what we discover what is the view from the controller yes I don't know all we get is that that guy that is controlling it has been in there for six weeks they fucking put him in the wall for six weeks and somehow we control him through the water pipes or something I shouldn't have written down the dialogue because it was super weird everybody is saying it's based on movement and it's not piloted but I don't know that there's anything in the film that tells us that it looks very much like it's piloted from what the film shows he's got like a little VR set and if it doesn't need a pilot why would they put someone in the wall for six weeks I guess so that he can launch it I don't know he pissed and shit in that wall by the way I'm guessing so can you see he's got a little like mask on and then wires looks to me like he's controlling it right a lot of people saying that's not how it works though so this is going to be really awkward chat but if you're drawing that from the book bye bye it gets flushed out of the toilet I'm afraid I feel like if this is the only content for doing that exists at all it will be said like yeah it looks like it's remote controlled I guess I don't know why we would conclude anything else um cause I don't remember any dialogue saying that too so I was like how the fuck did it screw up so badly like what was the view on the hunter killer that it could look around the room but it couldn't see pole properly it's like and pole's moving by the way like people saying it detects movement it breaks through the wall and by the way it's pretty hard to see and hear but he does catch on luckily the show wasn't too loud but yeah he's standing still while he just watches it move across the room and then he moves like very overtly to get inside the TV show thing to get covered by the thing which you'd have to agree everybody of all the frames to be paused on that's a pretty fucking lucky one yeah otherwise he'd be in a bit of trouble but all that movement that he does are more than enough for it to stab maybe they do seem to call it hunter killer so they must know what this device does he knows what it is but if you're gonna argue it's based solely on movement he moves enough for it to see him um I don't know why it would stop there like if it has a target unless it is a really subtle piece of technology that only like if you walk slowly enough it won't notice but that just seems like a crap thing to use I can't know it's actually in your hand anyways that's true the fact that you've crushed it in your hand you get a slice of water and it's like fuck off like I can't crush a USB in my hand or a flash drive right not flash drive unless I tried really hard I guess but I don't know and that looks about the size of a flash drive and this is science fiction world so that was just a very overt attempt to kill Paul Arkenins and it just makes you wonder like I don't know there probably could have been better ways to have facilitated that maybe they thought that should have definitely worked and to be fair it probably should have um we kind of lucked out there and it didn't um and yeah and they say he's been in that wall for six weeks and as Metal just said it's like he tapped into some kind of water pipe so we can argue that at least he got the water to live from maybe but um was he just shitting in there it's like oh shit piss all the things maybe he just didn't poop very much we pooped in a little box well I guess how much food did he have cause you have water cool but like humans can't survive longer than a month without food yeah six weeks is a bit long without maybe he had some real like I don't know survival stuff in there maybe like num num num delicious chips regardless um coming out like oh no I guess I also he did have a stillsuit so that would have helped well that definitely helped does he have a stillsuit is that what that is I think he does yeah because uh I thought the Harkins didn't have stillsuits because they established like they have to they have to go out to his mine at night because they can't handle the fire I don't think that is one I think the stillsuits look different I'm gonna say I remember the stillsuits not looking like that but I'm not sure right a lot of people saying that is a stillsuit that is I'm not sure it looks kind of different at least from this angle someone said that's what the mask is is that they stole a stillsuit it's like that mask isn't on the stillsuit or at least the other ones uh hard to know hard to understand fully but all right anyway what I took from this as a surprise I was like oh my god this is just overt evidence the Harkins tried to fucking assassinate one of the like main atreides this is not gonna cause major political issues and they kind of just to like well that was annoying yeah fine sanctions or something they're in trouble right yeah it feels weird but we're gonna get more of that very soon and this is part of my I feel strange the world building but I did like that Big Chungus is like I should have you know been able to catch all this you have my resignation and then he's like fuck your resignation I want you to find these people that he's like all but my order that he's like find the spies you fucking moron just like I just like the idea that he's like you know I'm sad that I didn't catch this you know it's my but he's just like do things it also makes it clear that they need his abilities though which I found nice like that would be a waste of your abilities it was like yeah but my honor is like I don't care about your honor um I mean we have another hocketed scene I just love this little spider goopy spider bro it's just like all right see what is this thing yeah and it's like it's legs all like heads and heads it's looks nice and yeah I remember I am I got it was either a YouTube recommendation or an article that was like creepy spider thing explained it's like it's good bro I'm assuming this thing if you've read all the books you'll have a better idea I don't know yeah I feel like that that thing was like for people who know what's up I was just like that is a fucking disgusting thing to get it off my screen please yeah it looks like a dude in a suit that he's like yeah what's this fetish shit going on um oh yeah and that's the someone just said it's not yeah I don't actually know I can't be sure people in chat said no not in the books I don't remember that from the book this is then the book fuck is it then you freaks why did you put this in this movie you're a weirdo so yeah the the Ben & Jesuit leader is meeting with Baron Harkinen and it's like hmm and I think this conversation amounts to yes we're gonna destroy House of Trades Paul or Paul's mom and then uh yeah that's chill um so at this point the movie is just like an overt the Harkinen's are going to fucking wreck the Atreides you're like oh okay because I it changed my understanding of this movie I thought that we were gonna be dealing with spice mining and uh trying to like get the system running correctly even with sabotage or limited equipment but this is like just like we're gonna just fucking ransack them and destroy them it's like oh damn okay do you have subtitles on the on the playback you don't right no it's only subtitles for alternate languages slash muffled sounds I think oh okay that actually already answers the question I had because I had subtitles on because I just have them on most of the times and I was just finding weird that the muffled sounds were subtitles like that's weird don't you hear them don't you know what they say when you don't have subtitles but now I saw on the playback that the subtitles were on there but you didn't have any others like oh okay so you were supposed to hear that I was wondering but they subtitled the things you couldn't hear but I guess there was a purpose then um then uh then Big Chungus uses his telekinesis to simply float up and to be fair that Dnievel knew if he made that as cool as possible yeah it's a fat guy using his levitation and yet he makes it seem so otherworldly and creepy and sort of imposing yeah um good job mr visuals man you do you do good stuff um I don't know if it would be on stills in that shot it's like oh wait hmm do do where are we yeah so we just get a meeting of like all the leader people and he's like they made loads of money while they were here it's gonna take us ages to make that kind of money and then they assess I guess their equipment and it's just so again like uh Big Chungus is like oh the Harkinons with Harkinons sabotage is gonna take us ages to get up and running and stuff and I was just sitting there like what Harkinons sabotage how is that okay like I just I just don't get this transfer sort of thing and then Paul says like well isn't they supposed to be an arbitra arbitrator a judge of the change and they're like yes leotkines who by the way is completely fucking useless as a as an arbitrator but I I think we are as close to this being overt as possible in this universe like it seems like everyone knows the emperor is fucking over the atreides but no one wants to say it that's like the idea yeah yeah I just find it a bit strange because it's like it's treated as very official and honorable but everybody knows it's this all bullshit this is like it feels like they should call up someone it's like uh should they was this always broken because they broke all the things do you do want to have like a talk with them because they fucked everything up down here yeah this isn't the kind of corruption I imagine in in political systems or takeovers or transitions of power I this is so flagrant like yeah we're having trouble with this because they've destroyed our stuff it's like destroyed they shouldn't be allowed to do that right and it's like probably not we literally have a person that's supposed to correct stuff like that happening but then um that very person says she keeps saying stuff like you know it's not my place to say or I report what I'm told to like she's useless for them anyway absolutely um and so I wonder what the point of all of this is in terms of like let's trick them into thinking of them doing and then fuck them up it's like why not just kill them all then if you're going to be doing all this anyway it just I don't know it's like if I I just want to shoot metal in the head but first I make a huge deal about how all day we're going to like theme parks and the cinema in different areas and the whole time I'm just staring at it and reloading my pistol it's like why did you what's the point of all of that what did you get that gun from I'm not sure maybe the second film will help me understand the utility of all of this but it felt strange just seeing how much everyone seems to be aware that the Harkins are fucking us over completely like okay um um man it seems like this is a contentious point which one just that point about why how how are they allowed to get away with screwing them over like this I'm assuming the counter is just going to be yeah so it's a corrupt system the emperor is fucking them over I'm just like okay I don't know that the characters really react to the situation that way at all they sort of treat it like it's kind of fine hmm it seems weird any arguments for you um not really no yeah like I'm not it's a test isn't a test I thought it was just sabotage and then they get killed like that it would that they did it and the emperor knows and then he blows them up what is it it's a test and he's like yes what do you think that helps yes yeah but from the perspective of uh Oscar Isaac he wouldn't be able to do this test right he's just be able to get us there making it really difficult for us to do our job the emperor is trying to destroy House of Trades come on catch up we've already gotten past that the immediate thing that I'd be thinking about is like well if I'm another planet in this system it's like man this is gonna like make spice more expensive I'm not happy with this yeah this severely hampers production of spice that's gonna have rock roll on effects for the economy of this universe so are the other planets that are under the emperor are they cool with this or like when they find out that they're gonna be cool with that or are they gonna be really pissed off and the mention of how the emperor doesn't want to be seen as directly responsible literally everyone thinks this is the emperor's doing so he is gonna be thought to be directly responsible he's of course directly he could have stopped all of this he didn't it's like so this is what he wanted yeah they have reserves we have reserves of things but when you hamper the supply that still causes supply shocks and changes to the price so that's part of the storyline the harkinans crank the price of spice once this is all done because they they have a shit ton on reserve yeah I guess that's what I'm saying is like are people gonna be cool with that no you're right that's what I'm saying yeah sure it's a part of this movie that's an intention or at least something that's been taken advantage of by the harkinans this is apparently your worst take okay prove it you got the same problem as the people who were the last of us too who were like this is your worst take it's like you got a whole paragraph use it they aren't cool with it but they're a small game compared to compared to sorry that's scroll away atreides and harkinans they're waiting to see how things develop are they I don't know that's the I don't know I don't really know much about the other houses and planets and stuff it's a distraction maybe the book does explain it better I'm sitting the book will explain this better but we don't have that here in the film or at least it's not clear to me I think people are saying that atreides didn't know that the emperor was involved but they're well aware that the emperor gave them a hard task and he's basically not helping them at all yeah but I guess in conjunction with all of the sabotage and things why would the emperor make it so hard for them like if you accept the assignment and then the emperor gives you this planet and it's all shit and he doesn't help you and that's kind of the point if the situation is like I'm the boss and I go hey metal I want you to leave the playground free he's gonna go in there and you're like okay and then you and free goes in there and metals just spraying you with water constantly and you're like more like what the fuck and I just go mm-hmm I have the image in my head no it's really funny and then I go it's okay for me I've sent an arbitrator and then that arbitrator goes what's up and you go yeah metal spraying me with water and then that arbitrator goes no he's not no it's not as he's still spraying like you're just like so yeah you just you're just killing me then that's cool but you know the idea I guess this is better than just literally saying I hate you I'm gonna kill you but at that point the emperor doesn't have to do that even he said the Hakan is just go in and kill them why not just do that to begin with yeah Atreides thinks the emperor wants them to fail they do not know the emperor wants them dead what does it mean to fail and the emperor's not gonna do anything about them being invaded and crushed by the Hakanans so how do you conclude anything else yeah I I think something that did you say that you think that they should have just killed them on their home planet or did you say that or I suppose you could argue you could do anything you want really if you get them the logic would be that it's better to get them on doing than it is to get them on their home planet well sure but you don't need to do this to do that right hey what like hey guys come chill out we're gonna have a fun the emperor right the atreides will do whatever the emperor says if the emperor says we're having this big meeting here come and then they just kill them all why not why interrupt all of the Hakanan production to do a thing that doesn't mean anything at all in actuality because you're just gonna betray them anyway I don't know it seems like a lot of toon and froan to just erase atreides when you can just do that yourself anyway in fact if you wipe out the leadership which you could do much easier you can probably take the resources of Caledon right okay so apparently this is what we're not getting they want the atreides to look like they don't know what they're doing causing shortages so that when the Hakanan move back in everybody is on their side is that gonna work so here's a question do the atreides have no means of disseminating this information across the galaxy first of all their POV is gonna get out there I assume in some way shape or form but secondly if we found out wait what so the atreides are fucking up a spice flow by being shitty people in terms of shitty spice miners like oh okay so that sucks what's up with them right now it's like well they're all got wiped out the Hakanans fucking killed them all also the Hakanans go ahead and destroy almost a whole fucking base oh sorry chats probably assuming that we agree with the film that that took place secretly do you remember that they said that that was all apparently there's no fucking way that was a secret no it didn't it's like it refused to believe it's a secret so apparently it's a point in the book that they don't have any means of disseminating that information that the movie doesn't address it but I don't know that seems implausible to me considering how many people there are here there's gotta be chips going in and out of world you know there's gotta be like there will be ships that move around and then information gets out there of like man they've really we're told the Fremen have ways of getting off world so all the Fremen pretty much know about this event thanks to like and plenty of people escaped there's no way this information stays on Dune alone the movie does address the lack of communication like does it what is it like is there a line about knocking out satellites or something but yeah I wasn't even talking about that I was just talking about like somebody on the planet like goes out and leaves to go someplace else to do something during the fight they jammed their communications but before and after they could do whatever they wanted I mean ultimately it's gonna get out there that they're dead cause of course will and then they're gonna be like why we were super popular we like those people why they're all gone what happened nothing and yeah so I don't know this I think I'll need a second Dune movie to be sure about this but it doesn't sound very smart on the part of the emperor to me there's a lot of ways this can full right the fuck apart and a lot of the characters seem to be vaguely aware of how much they've been screwed over but they're not really behaving as such the closest we get so when I went to the film to see Dune there was not like a thing that went on screen that said hey you need to read the book before you watch this movie alright I shouldn't have to read the book to understand the movie an adaptation that's how it works please don't pull this card they pulled it over and over again for the Star Wars movies they were like you should read the novelization to get the extra details we've been over this stuff chat we hate it it's a very bad argument um and like this is the main sort of things that cause like there's one moment where Oscar Isaac is like like you've seen it we're in a shambles and then she's just like it's just one faulty bit of equipment and I remember being like that's bullshit we have not only like significantly less equipment but lots of it is fucking busted is there no appeals process and basically she's just like no and I don't know at that point I can't believe that I can't believe that there's no method of appealing I think at that point you need to have a meeting we're like they're probably trying to kill us uh we might need to get the fuck out of here they can blame anybody how so somebody came to blow them up and then leave they'll be there when they go to Iraqis it'll be the people who blew them up unless they just did that for shits and giggles and then left that would be even more suspicious if there was nobody left like if they blew them up and then the people who did it left and it was just empty there's plenty of ways the information gets out yeah I don't see how I don't see how you can cover up something this huge um nobody goes to that planet so that's not true it's like the most valuable planet they have it wouldn't even matter if the film has covered that so we're fine on that one if people come and go to this planet it's established um but we can kick on the movie is not standalone but I can't watch Dune 2 yet and if you read the books then that's not an argument again yeah like I said I'm willing to give breathing room until the second movie because we haven't even met the emperor so maybe when we do we'll get a lot more context but um until that time these plans seem pretty wonky um and like I said my bigger issue is just that the characters don't seem to react to the situation they're in very much uh to the point where Leto is like pretty much talking as though he's dead if you remember one of the last conversations he has with his wife he's like if anything happens to me make sure you take care of Paul and it's like as though he knows he's soon to die which really bugs me because I'm like why is why aren't we doing a lot to fucking prepare something that I keep seeing is people saying that you can't travel through space without the guild um and the guild are in on it okay yeah I'm not sure is the point that like that they're not man if I'm to believe that they are not allowed to leave this planet or like move off world or do anything and they're aware of that they should be like entirely ready to be attacked if that's the case holy crap I'd be super nervous if I got told that I couldn't like leave the planet because the guild is not going to let me leave yeah that's kind of the point we've been trying to make is that the characters aren't really reacting to the situation the reality of the situation if you told me all of our equipment's fucked where we've had Harkin and Sabotage to the point where one of them tried to fucking assassinate the son of the Duke we can't get out of here and um and the emperor doesn't seem to give a shit that all of this is happening I'd be like we're in serious trouble guys they are ready to be attacked man if that's what ready to be attacked looks like what we saw in the film god like it feels like they could have worked a lot harder to protect themselves so where are we I think they have a meeting with Dilgar which is an attempt from Oscar Isaac's character to try and bridge the gap between the Fremen and the I guess the stewards of the planet in which it's them now and he's like name what you want and I'll do what I can to get it to you and I think he's just like take what you wanted and then leave and he's like I can't leave and he's like alright well and then he says you know as long as he's in power the Fremen won't be attacked and like you know it's an enjoyable scene Javier Bardem has a lot of presence he's just a good actor to have in your movie I guess and he comes across as very like he ignores a lot of customs he just comes across yeah like he's living his own life fuck off and yeah he spits at them and they're like what the fuck that's a very nice thing to do on Dune because everyone's very dry lick it I was gonna say you guys didn't disagree though and then I just have a little scene where Aquaman is like I got some tools from the Fremen hung out with them they were impressive had a lot of respect for them they're pretty neat then we kick into well first we get a full explanation of the still suits which are one of them incredible they're almost like lightsabers in terms of just you wear this suit you lose a thimble of water per day and you're like fully hydrated and it recycles and it keeps you safe in the desert it's just like fuck these things are fantabulous damn they're cool suits well they said the Fremen invented them and I was like okay correct me I guess I don't understand the Fremen very well what kind of technology do they have because what we see in this movie they seem pretty low tech yeah what they also say they have like millions of Fremen out there so I was gonna say not station city so they call them seaches yeah and I'm assuming I'm very curious about the seaches being like how they look well yeah I'd be curious what kind of stuff we're dealing with and maybe what we see of the Fremen is actually very limited they're almost aware like kind of remind me of like Mad Max gear almost like it looks kind of makeshift but still useful but then they made this and they have like so many of these seaches I was actually kind of disappointed we didn't see any of them properly in the movie cause I as you said I don't know what they do and apparently the Harkin also thought there's like 50,000 of them it's like okay you were so long here and you were here so long and only thought there was 50,000 of them but apparently there's like millions it's like ah okay yeah and I can believe that they've got really good shit underground and they show that they're kind of on above ground so we'll have to see what Dune 2 has to offer for that one yeah and so we get our younger scene of the simultaneously trying to explain to us how spice mining works but then also give us some drama so you got we're out we're just having a look see spice mining with our main characters and there's a big ol spice miner thing and then they're like eventually sandwims will come and he says that we can't use shields out here because sandwims go fucking nuts and start trying to kill everything if you have shields on which I thought was an interesting thing it really was like why and I'm guessing the way it works in Dune is there's worm territory and non-worm territory because the whole city is covered in shields right but that's just far away enough from where any worms would roam that you're okay and I was curious if personal shields are big enough to make them do that like if you just put your personal shield on do they start going nuts? because it seems that way with how nobody uses personal shields out in the desert I think yes the vibrations of the shield are far enough to set them off I guess but they make it sound like they go even more crazy like they go into a frenzy when you put the shields on there so I'm guessing we will see that at some point in one of the other movies but I don't know why I don't know if the vibrations are so crazy from these because I don't know how the shields work technically because they just cover your whole body so maybe just go like boom boom boom boom boom like in a really high frequency and that goes into the floor and then the worms like oh shit the vibrations that's just something I came up in my mind because I don't think they say it other than they go crazy yeah yeah that's I'm sure that's it anyway worms on the way oh no and so they call in a carry-all I guess I'll summarize the whole thing first and then we can go through it so the carry-all comes one of the four anchors does not work which means the carry-all cannot take the drill out but they still want to rescue the people and so our team land they pick up the people and just in the last moment they get out of there and save everybody and we go back home a very dramatic scene you see now I enjoyed this just fine when I first watched it how about you guys you mean this whole scene? yeah yeah kind of I had some questions about their protocols but I like how they portray Leto, Alito and this yeah fuck your protocols I want everyone to be safe right now just fuck the spice like I want you guys out which is a line that even the arbitrator was like impressed by I think yeah yeah I like that as character development but I have more questions about the world building at this point what was your opinion? my thing was like man you let Paul go out there like potentially get eaten if he's like not like if he was like the logistics of how we're all getting these people out of here it seemed unclear to me at the moment and also like incredibly risky like in terms of putting Paul in like significant danger but I guess it's cool that Oscar Isaacs want to save his people yeah and I think he said he just wanted Paul to guide people into the ship I don't know that he assumed Paul would go that far out Paul would go right out yeah they say they basically need seven per ship but they can only hold six and then a little bit later he says if we remove the shield generators then we'll have enough weight to be able to take them just like alright it's fine with me now the anchor system again this is fine like you can engage three if you don't engage the fourth one there's no hope and I just wonder probably build that with if one anchor fails you can still lift it there'll probably be a good contingency but okay but then they say like are there any other carrels in the area and it's like nope and I was like damn no other carrels, when you think a backup carrel would be the number one thing you'd need to have for these operations because you do not want to lose something as important as huge as the big spice mining facility could you say that that has been sabotaged by the Harkin as well stuff like that makes me think how could the arbitrator have any argument where she's like it's chill, it's like how could you say that if we've been sabotaged to the point where we can't even have the backup carrels which is apparently a normal thing if we assume that it's in the other way as well but okay so then we get into more like why can't carrels carry people yeah it seems to me that if those anchors fail then it should land open up a door get all of the workers into it and then leave well yeah because otherwise it frows and you're just dead the idea that carrels can only carry those big shifts like okay what I think now that I go through it in my head again because they say oh we can't just leave we have a full load of spice in here we can't just leave this here one, you can't leave apparently so why would you stay on board you just get eaten by the worm why don't you just run away at least chill two yeah just fuck the protocols just fucking go away why don't you pick them up as you said already it's like yeah we can't leave this spice it's like you can't move it I'm willing to say they had a stupid thought for a moment like they're so into their work and the need for the house to be successful that for a moment they were like we can't leave the spice like dude you're gonna die yeah but then what a stupid rule to be laid upon by the Harkins like oh yeah if you can't get this out of there the wormcrubs just get eaten maybe that's what the Harkins actually said because they're so like yeah like cartoonishly evil they're just like if you can't get the spice out they just fucking die don't need your manpower anymore okay and yeah so like I figured that the Carriol should not only just be able to do this on their own but I was thinking you know you could lift like six people up with the dragonfly thing to drop down onto the Carriol with the roof of it and then go and pick up the rest sure yeah and you'd be fine because the Carriol can stay still and you just need to you don't need to fly away with that just stay in the air stay still and they'll come back and get you later just to be absolutely safe so I was um I was sort of just like the second watch here I was like drama's not really working for me anymore because I see a lot of solutions here that seem a little bit obvious and I wonder why the technology even works the way that it does and then I was thinking so the Carriol is this ship that seems expressly built with anchors that attach to these drills to get them out of there if ever thingies come and get them so we presume then that you've got let's pretend there's X amount of drills and then much less Carriols why not build the Carriols into the drills because the Carriols can carry themselves and the drills so why not just have them as a part of the drills all the time yeah and they just fly away every time you're done yeah I figured you could just fly away yeah that's a very good question I didn't think about that so yeah I really like a lot of this film just to watch it but this is some stuff I started thinking about and by the way everything we've highlighted so far I don't know that it hurts the film that much everything but like we've not really gotten to my main criticisms yet these are all much smaller so then we get a really another awkward well was there anything else you guys want to talk about in that scene I don't think so nah I didn't think the sea on the wind looked too good here I don't think it looked alright I'll try and show it I mean it didn't look at it too closely because it's mostly under the sand anyways hang on I'll grab it I'm not sure if my eyes can decide if I think it's not great CGI or just it looks a certain way that's confusing me and making me think it looks bad the wind when it comes out near the end of the film I thought looked fantastic but this shot here I'll just grab it up I'm not sure what I'm thinking have you guys got the stream up so you can see it as well I have the stream up yeah I don't know it didn't look very convincing to me but like it's not really a big problem or anything I don't look fine yeah I don't mind it I saw it today I didn't find it very distracting I'm curious what it looks like in 4K yeah this shot as well I wish I could give you more the surrounding rim and the edge they look a little what's the weird I'm looking for muddy graphically muddy I don't know maybe because of the sand effect I legit don't think it looks bad I don't know it looks fine when I watched it there was no feeling of like it looks weird I think it looks fine it didn't ruin the level of epicness I wonder that's all if nobody else is seeing it I'll just be like alright fair enough because I haven't really got much else I can say about it because I'm not exactly CGI-man hmm yeah they recovered from that and he's like this isn't fair and then I think she basically said something like it's not my place to be able to say I'll really do anything it's like thanks you were really useful you just saw it with your own eyes isn't that weird I gotta go I feel like this is the latest point where the alarms should go off fuck yes I'm getting more belated than this alright so this scene I thought was a bit awkward we're over to the Hakanans and I guess they team up with the Saad Saadalkans Saadakans I can't quite remember which are an elite fighting force from the Emperor so this scene I'm going to talk about the upside down people that delete the water what is there to say about that they're upside down people getting something out of them I just thought about this made me think about Rick and Morty with their Morty Shield I guess we'll point it out there is some throat singing like we're just like hmm so yeah this scene you get the point of this scene very quickly we don't know what the Saaduka are at all as an audience but of course all of these characters do so he's like why does the Baron need us the Hakanan outnumber a tradies you're like oh yeah cause this lines up with earlier when they said that they'll be getting like three battalions of Saaduka or whatever from the Emperor to help annihilate a tradies ok but the Saaduka leads us like Baron doesn't fucking need us why is this happening and then um Okadot man is like well the the a tradies are pretty good they've got um the Josh Brolin and Duncan Duncan Idaho yeah um and in response to that he's like we are the Saaduka we fucking the Emperor's we kill everything that stands in our way and he's like yeah just he says just so three battalions and I think his response is like the um ok you know the Emperor wants it as the Emperor commands and I was like what the fuck was that conversation for like him being like why do we gotta do this he's like well because they're strong he's like we're stronger than anybody ok good then should be walking apart for you and then he says Emperor commands you know what I mean it's just like so why did you even what was what was any of that why did you say any of that it was one of those weird expositions yeah to me it felt like an excuse to have him announce who the Saaduka are and why we should be afraid of them which I feel like there's better ways of doing this and that's I guess like just doing has a couple of issues with getting its exposition across um yeah and then we get the scene where uh Mr. Oscar Isaac's character seems to be resigned to the fact that he's probably gonna die which made me sad I was like why aren't you doing more things ooh stuff I like you yeah um just preparing fully defenses getting weird out finding ways to I don't know complain more and tell people about this horrible situation I don't know um but yeah he says will the Bene Gesserit protect Paul if anything should happen to him and um I can't remember what she says I think she's just like don't be saying these things don't you worry about it's gonna be fine um which leads us into the beginning of where we start having what I think a major issues so everyone's going to sleepy buys and have a nice night it's pretty chill chill then the doctor shoots three guards with his uh little paralyzing dark thing oh actually I have something before that already oh if you want to go ahead uh so he goes around and gives all our characters pills and I don't know why and everyone's just like oh yeah pills I'll take those to sleep maybe huh space jet like were they to um were they to knock them out because they wake up on the ship don't I yeah I guess but they all just accept the pills even though he's a doctor I guess oh you're fine you're fine I don't I don't I don't because it's funny you brought that up because I remember seeing it but I don't remember knowing anything about it because I was like I don't know I mean if some if someone just give me pills and it's like why do you give me pills doctor I don't want them I mean if your doctor told you it's important I can't believe they they think he's giving them good bells whatever okay I just found weird like even if my super duper doctor would just say we just put them on my table and just leave well if you said I don't know for the stress it'll help you sleep better I can believe they take them yeah um and yeah then there's the the three gods get shot with the dot things so yeah that that is like okay um if you're security guards you might want to have your shields on at all times but okay unless there's any reason that we have to assume that they can't have them on all the time but I don't know if there's any indication that that's what they need to no they they they can they can have it on here yeah as far as I know you can have it on like nothing shielded from worms anyway so there's no no worries about the worms or anything regardless he knocks those three out walks through the door and shuts down all of the atreides communication security and power yeah that's not possible absolutely insane that he would have any kind of access that could allow that to happen well the system should be more compartmentalized there shouldn't be like one place where you can take everything down and it shouldn't be able to be done without huge approval yeah you should probably have to have leto's approval there should be double check a triple check a quadruple check system you push the off button it's like yeah don't know about that because this reminds me of captain phasma lowering the shields on the star killer base like you shouldn't be able to do that yeah shouldn't be possible and readily it should be happening of some kind right like if you've done all of this but I suppose the argument was people know they've knocked out everything okay no I don't want to I don't want that not stressed because that makes the rest of the film happen and it's huge it's like consequently this is incredibly important the doctor just knocks everything off okay and then by the way because I didn't know dune story so watching Oscar Isaac wake up and try and figure this out I was like please don't die please don't die please don't die don't just get shot or something please and then he literally just gets shot well he turns on his shield I was like okay good good good yeah smart and then we see that there's a little like fly dart that can move slowly through the shield and paralyze them should we have a conversation about the shields now oh yeah yes because that dart alone destroys the use of the shields dude just make guns that shoot those darts just make guns that shoot darts that slow down and penetrate the shields that's the hot take chat I don't know if you're ready for this but I'm not impressed by dunes combat shields when my argument would be I think I even said this on a real bbc like all you need to do is invent a gun that goes slow before it hits them right and if you want to tell me that tech doesn't exist like okay fine as long as you're consistent on that but it does exist it does exist we see it and we see it later in the film too with Duncan yeah to the point where if you have let's say a try shotgun it just fires three of those darts at once in different locations the person's fucked people keep saying they did but there is a battle scene later in the film where they all run at each other with swords there's a lot of scenes where they all run at each other with swords they don't use it as a wide scale this should be wide scale weaponry people shouldn't be using swords they should be using guns that penetrate the shields or alternatively explosives because I would presume that the shield is not going to save you from an explosion like if it blows you away you're going to have the internal damage from the shockwave and everything we have to count of this one someone just said the way it works is if like a laser was to hit the shield it'll call a nuclear it calls a nuclear explosion that cannot be true that can't be true so gotta be very clear about this because book fans are about to get very angry okay that can't be true in this movie because they try to laser things in this movie that have shields you can't tell me that they're aware that that will cause a nuclear explosion and they still do it there's no way and if it does you're just going to develop tactics about blowing one person up with a nuclear explosion like if ever you're going to lose a battle just shoot yourself with a laser gun and cause a nuke and kill everybody that was actually going to be the next target where I was going to break up so why not make a small craft that literally has a shield that sets a laser on itself and it reaches the destination yeah yeah exactly it's hyperspace ram and equivalent yeah you cannot I could do this incredibly crazy thing we cannot allow that argument it destroys everything so we're just going to keep that out if it's in the book go nuts but that ain't in the movie and I'm not having it in the movie because it fucks everything up but yeah I think the shields are completely ruined as soon as they establish chemical weapons well yeah we're shown those are effective too yeah so we should be using chemical weapons like wide scale instead of using swords the thing that Star Wars gets away with is because of the force that Jedi can use lightsabers I think lightsabers wouldn't really be that popular they would because they're cool but if you didn't have the force it's like lightsaber versus your average blasters like you have to be pretty fucking good at deflecting in order for this to work out and remember we saw the guy in Mandalorian with the shotgun and we were like yay that's what we're supposed to do to beat lightsabers because that makes it easy the soldiers all wear armor slow projectiles are useless but didn't Duncan he almost got killed by dart later in the film plenty of them don't wear armor and Duncan kills plenty of them that wear armor wait so you're saying the armor can deflect the little darts but they can't do anything against blades then put little explosives on the darts well why not make armor that defends you against blades too this is sci-fi where it's in the future right because they do have their swords but they still get killed with they have their armor pieces but the swords can still kill them so yeah just make like a little dart that slows down and once it touches you it explodes and I was gonna say yeah that's exactly what I was gonna say you don't have to have it so that it simply darts them you can make it do anything as long as it gets through the shield first which is the important part and then if it explodes like Fringe just said you're fucked but I think the point is you have the because we see in the film like when all of the soldiers go outside all of the ships are getting blown up and my immediate thought is dude blow up the people on the ground unless they're to assume the shields are so good and you remember that's gonna save you one of the things they throw at one of their turret slash ships is a literal like nuke that slows down to get through shields first that's right and when I saw that I was like what we can make technology in the form of darts and explosives that can travel so they can get through shields first like oh no dart is easily deflected unless shot in the bag what if you get shot by like multiple darts it's not easily deflected Duncan takes a few seconds to get rid of it it's really hard yeah it seems like it's actually quite difficult I remember Duncan gets shot a couple of times for some reason the other ones just deflect guys just think about it for like 5 seconds okay I shoot metal in his head his shoulder and his foot while he's trying to deal with all three of those I can just shoot him in the back or keep shooting him as long as I have 10 he's not making it yeah and so ultimately it's like and instead of because I think what we're meant to assume about the way that this works is because of the shields they have to fight in like big battles with swords and clashes but like god damn if I could find a way to avoid that in this world I'm going to try very hard to avoid that and to avoid that I'm going to make my darts that explode I'm going to have just explosives raining down on these people to blow them up or I'm going to find like poison gas that I'm going to use on a wide scale I want to avoid as best as possible having my dudes charge at each other and fight with swords I'm not doing that if there are ways for me to get through these shields I'm sorry I'm really sorry like it just doesn't make sense um the cool factor is through the roof and I really do get it and when it was first introduced it was like that's cool and I do think that works I'm pretty sure but then the more I was thinking about it as long as they don't show me a gun form that can do the whole thing that's happening there but then they literally do and I was like yeah this is what happens when Duncan shot with them takes a little bit of time there and that guy for some reason I think that guy is shown trying to shoot him again and misses or something but it's just like wow Duncan was lucky that guy didn't do a boom boom boom boom you know it just flop off if it gets shot twice more and for some reason they just fly away the shield protects the Baron from poison gas I thought the reason why the shield works this way that it can go slower so that you can breathe well it definitely doesn't protect you from poison gas the Baron almost dies he nearly dies yeah like you can argue it protects you more than not but it still doesn't protect like the idea being free is totally right here okay so if I release gas I'm going to use metal again in my experiment metal is going with his knife coming at me if I release gas on him even if he has a shield he's going and backing up which is all I need that's all I need exactly I like that you did that right after someone shot roadway is metal always hypothetical target I'm going to use metal again using the German so yeah I just the shields combat and then by extension kind of warfare I feel like there's a lot of things happening now that I kind of about this world and why is it the shield because if the reason why the shield works this way so that you can breathe you should just make it so that everybody has like a little tube that goes out of the shield that they can breathe in yeah I think that's worth being able to block everything because if yeah exactly if your option is to be able to block everything just find a workaround for them to breathe give them a chance maybe make a little hole in the shield somewhere that's really hard to access and is not known like maybe it's random the whole randomly moves around so that nobody knows where it is yeah I was just going to say to clarify because we've been told that according to the books isn't really in the film the reason the shields work this way is to allow oxygen through to let you breathe and it's like there are other ways you can do that yeah that don't compromise your shield make a shot rather than hey you can move your sword slow and then kill people with it it's like man no no yeah well so if you're offered me is like you have to have an oxygen tank that refills once per day or something versus you have to be vulnerable to knives swords and dart guns I'd be like fuck that I'll take the first one apparently wouldn't be able to move if it didn't work this way but that doesn't make sense because you're running pretty fast with those shields on how does that make sense you can move really fast while running with your shields the shields don't prevent you from moving fast so why would you not be able to move apparently you can adjust it on your shields like you can adjust the velocity or something but also I'd rather block or sound and not be vulnerable to getting stabbed yeah again I just don't know why everyone doesn't have rifles that are equipped with all these options to knock down shields instead of what appears to be opting in for close combat which um maybe you can help me out with this one look at this moment I was talking about it I think yesterday also um Josh Brolin is like leading a bunch of people for some reason there's two bad guys who turn up first um and if you look here boom and they're both dead didn't look like they had shields no they didn't have shields I don't know why I noticed that too today I was confused by it and then I'm just like why you know again I might have believed that if these ships blasted rockets as all of Josh Brolin's dudes run in here that that wouldn't do anything they'd just be perfectly fine really no way I don't know why oxygen can get through poison can get through but fire can't but fire can't does the fire move too quickly might have forgotten what if you go to a planet where it's really windy does the air like not get through yeah hmm and just seeing them all like the army the Atreides army just not even they don't even have their armor I don't even know if they have their shields they're just running out there to the car army and I'm like guys what are you doing and of course Josh Brolin is probably going to turn up in Dune 2 but like I don't know that he should be he should probably be dead but we didn't see him die so I think it's safe to assume that he's still alive maybe he gets captured I don't know but yeah as explosions shockwaves move faster than the wind so what is the cut off then for how fast things need to move that they get blocked if like moving the sword slowly through the shield like I don't just change depending on whether it's like a sword versus a dart versus like wind versus fire they were ambushed in the middle of the night haha I mean still want to grab you can grab a shield bro yeah it's like legitimately like a little bracelet you put on your arm and I imagine that's the kind of thing you keep on your fucking bedside table but probably not take it off especially if you're like an army member and that's your whole thing that shield is important as like a wristwatch you know you keep it with you all the time I would how valuable it seems to be especially after I saw someone been braked in a wall for six weeks like there might be more I'm gonna keep machining the fuck out dude did you just get here all explaining the books we haven't read the books and we don't need to read the books to watch the movie there was nothing we're not and there's no reason why that would be the standard there's a difference between us highlighting well what's House Rumble Dumble doing and it's like well they're not in the film and you're like yes but they have to be explained right it's like you can go look at law for that if you want to know what House Rumble Dumble are doing we're talking specifically about things that like control the stakes of this story why aren't they in this film that's that's how there are better holes to die on than the shields dude like this is like the most important part of the film this battle like everything that happens here with him getting killed with the thing that flies through the shield and paralyzes him yeah I was gonna say this is a pretty major hill it's not important this is huge yeah it's super important did we mention that the the dart he gets shot at in the back moves with his shields because I'm pretty sure he turns around at some point and I think it just stays on his back yeah there's an I'm not sure how that attack works and I was wondering you know if he was to try and go like put his back against the wall and try and angle it and then rub it do you think it would knock it or like I don't know how I don't know what would happen what if you would spin like like legit just spin around and deactivate your shield try to make it fly in the other direction or something oh and you know what I mean there's no highlines like but we've referenced the books like the only time I've referenced the book it's just a source of ideas is like for example arguing with the weakest arguments in chat I want you specifically you to post the argument I'll be looking for it get right no it gets annoying when it's like oh you're reading the worst ones it's like dude there's a lot of them coming through all at once and some people just say you're wrong without putting in the argument itself I just like the idea that he's called everyone else's argument shit they're all like hey what the fuck hey oh man yeah I remember when I was talking about this there were people talking to my chat about the shields quite a bit and I didn't even pick up on it that much I was just confused by the shields so I can see that's like a big contentious thingy to talk about um someone said they can easily like frame the Fremen because they're using knives like if I want to gather the Sardukar use knives as well just in general yeah which is part of our issue um the next up the doctor explains he's going to replace his uh Lito's back tooth with one that if he crushes it'll uh it'll do poison stuff and I was just like man again I'm willing to just sort of hand wave it because sci-fi but like imagine the pain of having like someone try to dig in a tooth into the back of your mouth to make it stay there ready to be bitten yeah he did that very quickly as well because the the enemy soldiers were just around I don't know why they didn't just have it be that he's like I'm putting this in your mouth crunch it at the best time just hide under your tongue or whatever replace a tooth it's like oh that's gonna fucking hit um and yeah the the doctor has done all this stuff and by the way I don't know about YouTube but I was just like fuck I barely even knew who this character was what's going on it's just like he has my wife and he's tearing her part like a doll and he said that we can go free if I do all this and I was like oh alright then you've got a lot of people are dead because of you there's a lot to say about that very much subjective but it's really unsatisfying to me all of this is happening because the character that I barely know has someone he loves captured and has therefore done all of this for Baron Harkin and it's like okay it's been nice to have known this character at all or who that person was or where she sits in terms of like I'm guessing her disappearance didn't matter to literally anybody except the doctor and so nobody noticed and that he didn't try because we didn't know that wasn't a thing that was like mentioned at any point earlier in the film it's just a thing that's yeah and I I've heard from a couple of friends of mine that his name is Dr. Yue right apparently he has a much better role in in the book that's further I'm not surprised at all because it it almost feels like they forgot he existed in this film until he was because he checks on Paul's vitals twice in this movie before but like he's no more a character than a fucking droid at that point doing a medical check like someone said it's not about him yeah the movie is about Paul I understand that anyway so that's all happening and at least now we know why and then we find out that Paul and his mum are on being kidnapped by some spooky Harkinans getting taken into the desert and I think from what we heard earlier from the Baron the plan is to just drop them into the desert so that they can die there so they didn't directly kill them they just dropped them into the desert with no supplies which is entirely different I was just like okay I don't know how that doesn't really violate the better Jesuits you didn't post the best argument my dude alright let's just press onward anyway Duncan then kills a whole bunch of Harkinans and jumps into a ship because they're all afraid of him this he's so good at sword fighting though I was like okay but this falls apart very quickly for two major reasons first one is that for some reason it takes them ages to attack this ship when they're all very aware of it then that laser tries to get him is shields protect him from some rocket now I'm thinking about it if you're in like the firefly and that gets blown up but you've got your shields on what happens to you probably die no but explosions don't do anything to you would you just so you'd oh man now wait okay so if you're in the ship and the ship's shields aren't on but your personal shields are on what happens to you I guess you're fine I was about to ask what happens if you fall really fast and far does the shield that's the immediate thing I'm thinking about well what happens when you fall does the shield save you but you die what happens when you hit the ground what happens to your body because that when we get an answer to that how the shields work in terms of force yeah but I'm not sure let's see see what chat might say it's also I just found the laser funny it's like tearing up the entire place around him it was just like damn bro if only the shield had fired like when this shit was happening but I guess they had to I don't know I'm also amused by the idea that all of the answers are that you would turn to mush so that would just be my argument for the force of an explosion hitting you so you should use explosions and explosives in your army if that's how it works if the force is absorbed by the shield but like you the body in it gets turned to mush use explosions on people and then that's how you fight you don't fight with swords but anyway we're gonna come back to that real soon cause oh boy so the baron is just prepping and then we basically get like we go back and forth between the baron and our Paul and his mum so I think we should probably just do them one at a time instead of going back and forth so they've put a gag on the mum because they're aware of the benegeserate voice thing which is good because I think they should be just gonna take advantage of they are unaware that Paul knows how to use it and I was like well doesn't queen bitch know about this the boss of the benegeserate people she knew that Paul had been trained in the way so shouldn't they have a gag on him as well seems like they probably should well might as well right what's the harm in it I thought cause she knows that he's got access to power and all that stuff she didn't tell them so yeah but shouldn't she have I don't know okay it was a little bit strange and then she establishes the mum that one of these hakenins is deaf and I was like wow that'll be useful because he will be able to hear you using the voice on his fucking friend if you do it that way so nice I didn't even catch that cause otherwise that'd be screwed fuck just to clarify for anybody who's like so the mind trick thing Paul is struggling to get it right but he gets it out to let's call it hakenin 1, 2 and 3 3 being the pilot 2 being deaf boy 1 being main guy he says to the main one un-gag my mother and so he does and then she says kill the fucking hakenin 2 which is the deaf one he just slices the throat of hakenin 2 and knocks him out of the ship and that wouldn't have been able to happen that way if that guy wasn't deaf yeah otherwise they would have been screwed cause he would have overheard it but I still found out that the pilot doesn't hear any of this I think we're supposed to assume that it's just too loud but he's like right next to him so I just it's logistically I was just struggling with this and it's only once the guy falls out that the pilot is like wait a minute what's going on back there and he puts his hand over uh Paul's mom's mouth and she manages to bite it and I was like man she must have a strong bite to make it so that he has to remove his hand but it's just fine um though like Paul, this part you guys are gonna have to get up your own copies of this if you really want to see it cause it was just bizarre to me um, Paul like puts his legs on and park it in one and makes him like trip over and then if you count from then until he's killed he's just sort of on the floor for ages just doing nothing at least in movie time like like uh if you start thinking about all the things you could do if you were him it's like Paul like knocks him down he's down and then she stops guy from stabbing he's just like oh boy I'm on the floor I am on the floor right now oof I'm gonna get up eventually but I am just on the floor oh man that floor I'm just right on it and then she goes over and kills him and I was like oh all Paul did was make him so that he fell and it's like he's been knocked out um it's a very strange scene and the thing is when I first watched it I really liked it I thought the voice was really creepy and I liked the way that she is so quick to just have them fucking kill themselves in front of it like damn um I said this is this is actually nitpicky just like this is just plot armor this is how it works we highlighted and everything how is this if this hadn't played out this way they'd be dead and the story would be over you've gotta remember nitpick is valid but small when people's lives are saved it cannot be considered small unless you think it's a nitpick that the knife disappeared in TLJ if you think that's a nitpick go right ahead mmhmm yeah the flow of the scene for me was just it was just a little bit off it needs tweaking to get everything right but I also just hate the fact that one of them was deaf that was so like okay um so then they announced something the Harkadins were aware that they took this ship and so they remotely turn it off mmhmm yeah that happened I'm waiting for one of you to brainwave say one more time the Harkadins are aware that that ship has just been taken by them too and so they remotely turn it off yeah instead of man blowing it up or something that's not what I was aiming for the fact that you can remotely man it might so if you know where it is you track it immediately oh and then Duncan Duncan ship should have been turned off why wasn't it turned off oh man maybe that I'm just shooting the shit here maybe it's one of there was one of their thupdus and not one of the Harkin ones I don't know that we can really argue that it seems like it looked like it was literally there it's like they arrived on it yeah okay man and if they did that that's also like think of the damage yeah that does the storyline if Duncan ship was turned off or man yikes well someone said it's Duncan ship I mean you can you can try to make this make sense but it seems to me that all of the thupdus here belong to here they are in which case and they should all be under the control of whoever is in control of the city which seems to be the Harkadins and to be fair even if why can't they track them if they're all on some kind of system correct me if I'm wrong didn't this thupdus where the two were in didn't they have like an extra device on top of the of the other things of the electronics maybe they prepped this one especially for it is it really so that it can be turned off I don't know what it's weird that's just in my mind right now I don't know if that's true I have to pop up my copy because I'm not sure seem to me that they're just both are they called thupdus I like that name at least they called the two cedar they are in later on when they go into the storm they call thupdur thupdur if they disable the ship the tracker turns off too do they leverage the tracker on Duncan is that what they want is that true if you disable the ship you can no longer track it because that is fucking retarded why would that be the thing you can turn it off but now you don't know where it is why wouldn't it be you just disable controls not you literally make it so it can't emit any signals omnithopter I mean that thing on top there maybe that's especially for that I don't know or is that just a microphone for well so if you I mean I don't know that's going to help much is it like arguing this particular thopter just had something on it that made it so you can disable it at a distance at wills it's like oh okay well you disabled a why track it to go there and kill them that's going to be my next criticism I'm just trying to make sense of it I'm looking at both thopters they look relatively the same I don't know why we would assume that they have the power to turn off theirs but not turn off Duncan's like that's fucking weird and they also don't even chase Duncan apparently maybe he's just that good but then they also can't track him and they also can't track uh they can turn them off remotely but they can't track him because people are saying that they did track him later in the film to find the uh when they were hiding out in that little desert place is that what they did I don't know well I didn't think that's what they did because I just confirmed that I thought they just found them I mean because if they want to use that as a defense that just makes this part much worse because that confirms that they had all that tracking they had the capacity to track them yeah okay now it's it is blurry on Duncan's ship but there's definitely something on his ship there on the on the left side as well right above the lights yeah to me I think that the best you can do is try and rationalize it desperately to make this they were very busy fighting but they weren't busy enough when Paul and his mom they got them they disabled them straight away and that was around the same time that this was all happening and Duncan Idaho is known as like the greatest fighter in the universe yeah he's a really important guy like to the point where they fear to get near him it's like come on someone you want to stop and yeah I guess I was going to follow up like I said with the once they land and is disabled they don't go that far to set up their tent and it's like man if someone just came they can't kill them directly yes they can't kill them directly but you don't want them to just run around yeah exactly and and yeah it was that was immediate thought I had as well you didn't move that far away from the the ship so why isn't anybody coming to get you yeah that felt awkward too because I was just like you guys need to run they're going to find you eventually and it's like no it's fine like oh okay yeah the whole scene with between the Baron and Leto I like I don't think I took any issue with it you guys no I like that scene I love them come closer which made sense so I can possibly get the biggest effect of the poison uh and then yeah the shield protected that's the only thing that I'm a little bit if you on but like I really love uh Stellan Skarsgård's performance yeah he's great I really hope he he said he was 50-50 on returning to play the Baron again please please please please come back it was good as a matter I also like that he put on his shield before it went in just in case he's like playing awesome I think in a stab him or something you could argue that uh Leto was trying to get him to get close to make sure he nailed it and then by doing that he's made it so that he probably couldn't can't kill him when he could have you know there's an interesting yeah I think that works relatively well I thought it was funny when he was like you know you promise you'd get me my wife back and he's like I promise I would you'd be with her that she would be set free and I was like oh dude if he said that to you you should have thought yeah ask for clarifications you know what do you mean by set free do you mean physically in a certain sense it's like no in the literal sense what's happening alright so he kills the doctor and he's like haha we win and then Leto says I think his last line is here I am here I remain I think is what he says yes which seems like a parallel to what happens at the end of the movie yeah and he just it's just all like yeah I'm here now you know and it's just a strong line for him to deliver to the person that probably facilitated his family because he tells him that his son and his wife will not right he says you're concubine or something like that they didn't get married but um yeah so then yeah uh Oscar Isaacs dies but he crushes the tooth and poisons everyone in the room and you're like yay at least hey you got him oh boo I didn't want him to die I didn't want him to die either yeah and they are cousins yeah apparently because he's he calls him cousin uh Phil is the log where like Doug and Idaho lads next to uh the ambassador lady and he's like this fucking all this is bullshit and she's like uh-huh whatever that he's like yeah she's like I don't know this is like hmm but then uh she actually goes into like full help mode for this team I don't know if it's like a little out of guilt or because she believes in the prophecy but um he seems to be giving more of a shit now which is neat about our good guys because Hakan is a bad guy is okay pretty obvious um see I was gonna ask because I guess I am I I missed this detail I meant to look over the scene because I didn't get it how did Duncan find them uh find who Duncan found our team Paul and mum yeah he found them uh I think Dr. Yui put a tracker inside the uh the frame kid like oh I have a tracker and right before they leave the tent it starts beeping so they knew someone was near okay um dude was Duncan aware of that or uh I guess it's emergency thing maybe I don't know how it works that's all they say it's like a tracker and they say oh someone is near let's clean out my immediate thought was like what it's what if it's a bad guy because if there's a tracker that can make it so that people can find them what stops the Hakanans from finding them yeah that's what I was trying to say yeah yeah because I was unclear on that um I was like isn't a treatise beacon that could be I'm not I don't have the the exact dialogue in my mind uh could be specific beacon for treatise people like that could be I can see that being a thing did Dr. Yui did he tell Duncan about this uh no I don't think that I think they just Duncan would have had to have figured that out on his own then yeah I there would be very bad if Dr. Yui would have told him I'm about to fuck this whole plan it up also here's a beacon it's like wait a minute what you don't have to use caps lock right you're gonna be fine but secondly only a treatise can tune into that signal what are you talking about that doesn't make any sense at all that doesn't make any sense at all what the frequency is or what does that mean let's see let's see what the answer will be uh I'm just looking at the scene with subtitles so apparently Dr. Yui left the thing and yeah okay here I have the dialogue if anyone so Dr. Yui put a letter inside of the the kid and it says if anyone makes it out of Arakina life there's a treatise beacon in the frame kid but I that's just the same thing that we there was a beacon that is in a treatise beacon so only they can find it yeah I guess that's what we're trying to say it's like a treatise scheme that only a treatise uses that's that's what I think they meant with that it would be really bad if when they seized that city that there was any information that could help them figure out like level sub-communication with the treatise beacons or anything it's lucky Dr. Yui didn't tell them anything about that or anybody else under threat of his wife being killed and stuff I don't know fine that just not very impressive I don't know it's something it's not great but it's better than nothing I'll give you that they say it's in a treatise beacon so I yeah I know that radios have various frequencies but like if people can figure that stuff out that's a concern always right like the people could figure out what the frequency is and then find out what you're communicating for sure yeah um that's not possible so then you realize we're an hour and 42 minutes so you're like oh boy we've got not a huge amount of film left so maybe we should mention in between Rex lost power and we don't know when it's getting back oh by the way now help me out so Yui knew he would be betrayed he was trying to double cross the Harkinen man if he knew he was being betrayed why the hell did he help I don't think that's true but if he knew he was being betrayed why did he then betray his house my impression is that he thought Harkinen's would come through on the deal and that he could also kill them I didn't get the impression that he thought I'm gonna get screwed over and killed why would he go through what Fringe said I had always presumed that it was like a contingency to try and save as much of the the house as he could or at least like what little he could by saving Paul then that would get them out everyone's saying he knew then why did he do what he did why did he betray them then so to clarify chat if I know that Baron Harkinen is going to kill my wife and me then I'm not gonna betray the house what would be the point no choice cause he had a sliver of hope and he'll leverage that sliver of hope against the entire house a tradie's down what a piece of shit I mean he's kind of a piece of shit anyway to be fair leveraging one life for like that many god damn not to say that someone wouldn't do it it would have been nice to have fucking heard him think about it talk to someone about it cause like it he doesn't care about a trade it's clearly he does cause he went to a lot of efforts to try and save Paul and his mum yeah he definitely cares about him this is the problem like with him having so little flash he's just a plot device he's just a creature that exists to be able to make something happen and that's it and I know people are gonna be mad like the book and it's like yeah I know but they didn't do that in the film and I've heard people who like the book complain about UA in the film so that all lines up as far as I can tell I'm in the weeds here what are you even talking about if you wanna rewind I don't know cause that topic is uh we're good move on to the next one which is I don't know what to help you out but we'll move on to the next topic here we go so and the ambassador Paul and mum all go to a bit of a sanctuary I think she says it was a building that was meant to like help maybe make water or oxygen or something like that on this planet I don't quite remember either way as they're talking the Harkinans attack and um I don't know I was already just like surprised when they come down the um our good guys have hidden under the sand and then like ambush them but they still all lose they still all die yeah cause honestly the way they film it it makes you think like oh they gotta dominate and it's like no they lost yeah I thought so too um but then they all came after Duncan and it's like oh I guess they're all dead okay and Duncan kills like fucking 15 of them he gets a lot of them and that dark cause them a little bit of difficulty um he blocks it but if they're a couple more he probably would have been dead yeah um he keeps the fighting you know one thing I thought again I was just like man explosives like the way that you see these lads come down there's like 20 of them in just one small amount of space like oh grenade be wonderful here or get poison grenade or dude people still insist that explosives aren't gonna work okay but we know gas works we can do that yeah by the way I don't believe explosions don't work but if you're not gonna give that up then fine we'll use gas we still have we give a lot of options to get through those shields already uh but yeah um I guess there's very limited supplies here cause like they don't really make much of a defense other than that ambush attack and then they all get killed and so Duncan then I think we'll summarize the scene first and then we'll go back through it with pieces the gas isn't gonna work on the shield suits how do they breathe do they have a filter in there to protect them from gas specifically wait gas won't work on those suits is gas an actual concern in this world cause we never see gas used do they make the suit specifically to filter out like poisonous gas because that isn't a real concern in this universe because if it is then you should have been using gases on them when you were attacked instead of sending your guys on the ground to fight with swords I thought these suits were just just a variation of the still suits to help them survive in the land of dune not that it defended them from poison gas we never see gas there's a sand altar is there a space Geneva convention in this universe is there um so anyway like I was expecting more defenses and stuff in this place but they apparently were very limited this was very quick so she was like okay anyway Duncan decides he's going to lock the door behind him and defend while they escape giving them time now I like a sacrificial moment much as everyone they're awesome especially if they like very much in character there was a little bit awkward though that him doing it without like going over it with them first means that all the time he buys for them is basically spent by them trying to get to him um it's just like that's a little bit awkward but it's still okay because he still manages to nail it but then there's this weird part with um a laser that comes through and like this laser they're all terrified of it and I was like do they not have shields at this point and do the shields not defend the laser or do the shields not protect you against that laser because if so man maybe make a rifle out of that let's make him again I don't want someone to chat telling me that lasers plus shield equals nuclear explosion okay that's not we're not having that that doesn't make any fucking sense at all and if that's the case are these guys not at all concerned about that I mean I don't know they're firing the laser and they're not worried that somebody in there might be like ah you don't screw it and they're just people are saying shield plus laser equals nuke we can't have that rule it destroys the entire world we can't have shield plus laser equals nuke or maybe the rule is laser plus nuke equals shield someone said a chat um well anyway that's that's happening and this is just this this part we're like that so to open this the safe door the safe room exit you have to do it like on the right side of the room but the door is on the left side or something because they all move to the right side of the room and then the laser comes in so it locks them on the right side of the room and I was like what the fuck were you doing over there anyway and none of them think to jump over the laser or duck under it exactly like this is every second you waste guarantees your death they are so lucky that Duncan wasn't executed and just punched he's Duncan Idaho and they decided we will punch him and hope he stays down so fucking lucky because if they had stabbed him in the face then they wouldn't because the laser then they would have died like it's really odd this scene to me it blows my mind you can't jump over the fucking laser you can even see the shape that they did it seems like it was just Duncan's last stand it was an opportunity to save him it seems to me it was a cool scene where we get to see Jason Momoa fight a whole bunch of people in a row to save and it's just like ah we needed to tweak a bunch of this though just to make it better like I said a lot of time is spent just banging on the door be like Duncan no it's just like ah you're wasting all the time he's buying you guys and I know that you'd be like well it's in character right and it's like well yeah but I just think the laser stuff is silly yeah you know other than that I liked watching that fight I don't I think if you were to go hyper like throne room level there's a lot of inspection on this I think the swords are moving too fast at certain points to be able to kill people yeah that's something I noticed in general when there's like a fight with lots of people I think it's just for just for the actors and the scenes just hard to traverse that they actually slow down like all we have is the indicator that it turns blue or red oh well yeah I mean I'm not sure what that really looks like in this world you know with the fighting in terms of like slowing down with the swords I think it worked really well when Duncan was fighting alone in the base probably really hard to choreograph because I think you could tell pretty well there but here in this scene especially he moves really quickly I don't seem slowing down sometimes yeah I'm trying to show too fast chat as well but we got copyright being a big bitch here but if you watch the first strike in particular it seems like surely that's too fast to be able to kill him but it shows red on the shield so I man I'm still thinking about that space Geneva convention thing so like in terms of because people keep talking about the space Geneva convention basically that it prohibits like the use of chemical weapons in this world and then also stuff to do with nukes a ban too now none of this is in the film but I guess like running with that concept part of the so like the problem is that when you presents people with the only alternative as you need to fight with swords I question how willingly people would accept these conditions like if you're told okay so this shield technology means that your only options to reasonably fight them are all things that you know like really bad or dangerous like nukes chemical weapons and things like that so your only other option is to fight with swords I don't know how willingly in this world they would accept those rules you'd be like man either we need to find a work around with guns like again the little things where you shoot and then it slows down and then explosion or you would probably like either change those rules or defy those rules it doesn't even need to dot the more explode the fact that you fire that and it makes the shield for a moment breach you can then stab them in where it's breaching right you could you could also do that yeah like it to me it just seems like an invaluable element of technology you would want the little dot thing but only because the Sarduka people seem to have them they're attached to their wrists or something it's like but none of them really use it and I see also because the point that gets brought up is what would be expensive to make stuff like that is it not expensive to make the shields to are the shields really cheap and the armor still suits right they got to be expensive still suits the the ships and all of those like that equipment and if you're like and also there's a question of like maybe it'd be worthwhile to front that cost rather than to have more people with swords like you know what I mean like you don't need to have all of these soldiers like it was now we usually have like less soldiers on the battlefield than we did before because like it's more smaller scale like skirmishes and stuff like that and the equipment as well you would maybe make the trade of like you know what less guys with swords more guys with dart guns that explode on apparently what no computers what are there no computers in this world how how do they what what is it what do you mean no computers they have like all the tech they have but there's no computers computers are banned okay that's weird no AI all computers what oh everything is analog but there's AI in all of their ships right there's got to be or is there not is it like is autopilot banned that's basic dune law I don't remember seeing that basic dune law is not in the film I don't know fuck all about dune stop it I do watch the movie because we watched the movie and that was our first exposure to dune yeah no AI man imagine penalizing all these people for not having read hillhouse huh there's space travelers based on the people who can see the future what does that mean well that I know about what does it have to do with the people called the travelers or something that's going to be in the second movie but that doesn't that doesn't address all of the so what about all the non hyperdrive type traveling is the hologram thing that you use to learn about stuff is that not constituted computer because like a calculator could be considered a computer honestly for you this sounds like something they were told and just accepted did you not think a lot of this through like computers are bad that doesn't make any sense at all check this movie made you fast I have a hard time why are they banned it's not a thinking machine so there are computers but no AI so like if I brought my desktop into the dune universe would that be allowed because this is a computer now there's like they say no AI so guys AI is quite a broad spectrum yeah so okay so there's no AI but does that mean that there'd be no like just regular computers calculator level is so no computing man no computer apparently the laptop would be forbidden too like you wouldn't be allowed to use that I like you got yes yep no no yeah I keep seeing I'm trying to look for something here so if I brought my laptop just like a normal windows 10 laptop into the dune world would that be destroyed because that's not allowed stop yelling at me to read the book I watched the film stop yelling at me it's all in capitals alright so apparently yes like if I brought my laptop that would be destroyed but some people are saying possibly windows 95 is okay but nothing else there was like a matrix for humanity was machines thousands of years ago computers are banned okay well I so I get that as a as an idea right you might be concerned about AI but when you just ban AI like rather than computers unless you were so scared that somebody would make another AI that you want to get rid of computers but I guess now my question would be a lot of the ways that things in this world operate yeah do I know anything about the books no no I haven't read the book this was like my first exposure to doing yeah same to be fair do you like not being penalized for that we've also not read the novelizations for TFA, TLJ or TROS I can't even read but that didn't come up that much when we were reviewing those things but also that doesn't come up for a lot of things like if we talk about certain films that were based on books there's like less of that as a point if you look at the comment section for our Hill House coverage all the top comments were outraged that we didn't read the books well fucking I don't care wow I guess my question is like do we need to have the conversation again that this is an adaptation that's meant to stand on its own I guess we do I did mention it at the beginning no but I think we need to because it keeps coming up like every like 10-15 minutes another point of like did you read the books it's in the book oh well come on let's explain in the books to establish the world and the stakes to us to understand what these people are doing and why we need that information in the film it can't be something we have to read a pamphlet for and then we can read this or consume this or like wiki or the book or yeah yeah like these are separate pieces of media they don't you don't want us to rely on because there's so many reasons why this can fall apart but let's just go with like the MCU for example if you read the comics the MCU is adapting it'll be incongruent with the MCU like if you accept them as explanations or something the adaptation does not share continuity and nor should it be relied upon structurally to understand the story because at that point don't make the film like just always have it be the book we were watching dune 2 and our questions were answered in dune 1 then I would agree with you guys but the difference between the same continuity and a different continuity and it gets to be clear because I would imagine that some people are getting pissed off because I probably think it's a criticism of the book this is the criticism of the film it may well be that there's information in the books that clarifies a lot of the points or alternatively it's different in the book and then that has different context or the horror maybe the book has flaws too right but I guess to make the point clear it's not criticism of the book I need to read the book to criticize the book and ultimately like someone in chat might be it's in the book and then it might be like oh that's really bad it's like well there may be context that is left out in the comment in chat that is in the book and alternatively there might not be the context but like you know you got to read the books to critique the books but we're talking about the film and this is all based on the information that's presented in the film and there's a lot of stuff that we just don't know because it wasn't mentioned in the film it's really fucking annoying we just keep seeing things like oh that's wrong it's in the book or like god damn like you just nitpicks this is all just information based on what we saw in the film well yeah and that's what we're looking for in chat is arguments that can be inferred from the movie when someone says like they don't use laser rifles because they're banned and they cause nuclear explosions I'd be like you sound as alien to me as anyone going blah blah blah don't only read a part of an unfinished story well there was a world in which this movie came out and there was no Dune 2 and this is the full story that we get um and I mean you know it may well be that when the film comes out there will be explanation for things that we've talked about and then yeah at that point it's like okay that retroactively justifies the decisions that were made that doesn't exist yet and if that means that we can't talk about the film until the second film comes out then we've got to apply it to the MCU because there may well be an explanation for everything that happened in Loki that will come out like 10-15 years that will explain everything away um yeah it's not a point so is there eFap Demand's info dumps I didn't need that if they don't use it in the film then there's good reason that they don't like you should just infer that okay so then we'll just infer that for every movie ever no no I got a prime example why didn't they use the hyperspace kamikaze to throw all the stars there was good reason that they didn't there was good reason that they didn't they didn't so there's a reason why they didn't there's just good reason any time a character makes a decision that doesn't make sense what's the reason for it making charitability is off the charts when you say wow eFap wants an info dump well I will infer everything to just make sense no matter what it's like good for you we complained about the info dumps earlier in the film that there were better and more elegant ways that they could have conveyed that information did you just forget what we said before like to make some weird argument that we didn't even make we don't like info dumps yeah there are always elegant ways to expose it I saw earlier in chat that people were saying there was no better way to do it it's like man there are better ways to do it I'm sorry you got a lot of options when it comes to storytelling a lot I specifically remember saying this while watching these dudes getting eaten by the sand worm you have a lot of options when it comes to exposition and conveying it like storytelling you got a lot of tools at your disposal a lot of ways that you can go about it you have to man's movies be perfect literally perfect it's fine I guess it's awkward as well because I think a lot of it because I am going to infer here it seems like some of you guys are really upset about the idea that it takes into the film and I guess it's a lot of clarify that I thought the movie was cool when I watched it I said to rags before we started the stream this one and the one that we've done already they're going to be controversial and he was like why why do you think because we're going to say mean things people love that's what we do I will read the book at some stage but we're talking about the movie I have no intention of reading the book come at me I had intentions of reading I was going to plan on reading the book before I watched the movie but then that didn't happen so I got some coffee up here I'll read it I'm not going to read now out of spite but we're not going to read anything I bought it it's in my drawer I'm going to burn it now the mistake you made the error of your ways you now turned them against it that was a joke by the way I feel like someone's going to actually be like wow wow he's not even going to read the book because he's so mad about it but he can't take criticism because when he does take when he gets to criticism he won't even read the book out of spite metal has no choice he can't read damn right all shocker the germ really goes to burning the books okay shut up molars against reading true reading bad I never read even though I just read that ignoring that reading unbridled rage so um we're pretty much done with that scene right they escape we're up to when they escape and then the lady gets caught by the other people right and then yes that was pretty lame Fram and Lady who walks in both worlds has a lot of experience and is very aware of everything she gets killed she doesn't fucking look behind her once per minute yeah that was lame and then the saduka who killed her apparently unaware of what sandwims fucking are yeah the worms come and gobble them up explain to me why the worm prioritized the the fist bums instead of the machine that's especially made for attracting worms was the machine close by I mean it was right pretty much next to her because she was about to write the worm maybe it was close by enough that the worm swallowed here and the machine I think it may well have yeah I do have the question maybe this the worm is quite big she takes quite a few steps she does actually take few steps yeah you're right I mean it does seem like that machine should make more of a difference than any thumb she makes with her fist from the floor you know because if she can just attract it with her own noises then that fucking machine is irrelevant just fucking stomp on the floor with your feet it just baffles me that they they're here to do this job and like nobody told them by the way there are enormous creatures in the sand that will fucking eat you you might want to watch out well they definitely know about that right it's like the most important fixture well then why do they do this so stupidly for you well yeah that's alright and yeah I just started to like her cause I was like you know she put a lot of F helping them she even sacrificed the transport and now she's summoning your sandwim to sort of sort the place out while she escapes and she does the thing with the things to prepare to I think ride the sandwim and she just gets stabbed in the back I was like oh okay guess and all because she didn't look behind every once in a while that's all she needed to do someone who's so experienced I was very disappointed yeah it was lame and yeah they all get swallowed by the by the way big gnomes man that worm it must have a really good metabolism cause it feels like there's not a lot of things to eat out here yeah how big it is like us being like super hugger you go oh a french fry delicious alrighty then then you cough up all of the technology like in the clothing so they are chased into a storm and they like they're in danger of it all breaking but he has a vision and a character says something like go with the flow and so he just powers off and like I don't understand how that saves them we're told that the sandstorm can basically tear through metal and it starts doing that until like on the glass too until he turns off the machine I'm like why would that make it so that the sandstorm doesn't tear through your shit I kind of like the idea of basically like non-resistance to nature ultimately being the correct course in the sense of like fear being the mind killer so like slow it down like don't don't resist like the force just let it guide the carry you but I guess the problem is when you say that the sand tears through the metal wouldn't it just keep doing that I thought so well maybe that's the observation right because everybody is always resisting the sandstorm that's actually what's happening standing what's happening maybe well that's what people are saying is they're riding with the sand as opposed to against it when it's on it's like okay I don't know enough about how sandstorms work to be able to question that my issue is more with the fact that they would be spun around for I don't know how long they should I feel like they should be like unconscious as fuck oh yeah you're right they do just stop spinning 360 for a while I had to think about the lady that got saved from a mountain just got spun you remember that funny reference if you get it let me come to my favourite part it would be boring as fuck oh no you must be doing it welcome to eFap with saying something is boring and so we can't do that is not a good defense we get a big bath of black goo love it and they're marinating in the black goo to get better I think he's fighting there too because how could you not right just to see what happens how could you not be fighting occasionally um yeah I don't know this scene I was like I guess it's medicinal but it's just so gross you can tell that's the whole thing about it I'll pull a Stella Scars God look at him even though Serven weird gloves on I have like sausagey fingers fucking gross I was like but yeah he's like start selling spice at higher prices I think because now it's going to be more rare and stuff I think this is the last we see of the Harkins for the film and I look forward to seeing them again I enjoy them I want to see what they get up to metal obsessions for parts today what do you mean today parts of funny once they threw the storm they stop back there they're up there dragonfly but all the wings break off and then they crash but not in such a way that hurts them they are okay I don't know what the safety precautions for that thing are that prevent you from taking any damage from crashing but I guess it was enough that they could survive the length in which they fell I don't know then we walk around for a bit on and they walk on some hard sand question mark drum sand and I immediately was like what the fuck is drum sand and yeah so that activates a worm they are very unlucky and so they sprint just before it can catch them and then we get a big old shot of him taking a little lucky loo I thought it was interesting because it looks like it literally looks like it's looking at them and it's like he couldn't probably still get them right let's play you know just reaching over there and I don't know but he's mostly just chill and then he gets pulled away by a little beacon and we meet up with still guard his dudes and there's an aggressive lad here who's like I fucking hate all of you you weakling fuck that really threw me off where he's like I'm gonna you know fight me whatever and then he's like you cannot challenge a sire dean I don't know what the word he used was but it's about her being a special lady and his response to that is well then who will fight in her place and I remember just being like huh if you can't challenge her then fuck off what do you mean who will fight in her place how about nobody I don't understand what was gonna happen if if Paul didn't suggest himself like what was gonna be the result of that probably nothing yeah what would have happened because I don't think any one of his friendos is gonna go okay I'll fight for her I'll fight and die for her it's like I challenge you you can't do that well okay but who's gonna fight for her nobody that doesn't follow yeah I thought it was strange but Paul suggests that he'll do it he'll do it they would have been killed but then what if they wanted to fight I don't know stillgar clearly wouldn't have let them be killed with what stillgar says it sounds like some cultural thing where it would be it's not allowed for him to do that so again apparently it was a change from the book in the book he challenged Paul specifically alright I just like that that's not what happened in the film so I'm just trying to understand the stakes when you say I challenge A you can't challenge A well who will fight for A like that sentence doesn't follow yeah um he has visions of like losing and I think that the couple of like you know bits of advice from different people and stuff they have their battle for some reason nobody told Paul the rules of this fight yeah I wasn't about to mention that do you yield no you gotta kill him just like man that would be nice information how did that come up seems to be the main thing about this fight stillgar says oh the boy doesn't know a rule fuck no shit and then he beats and kills him and is like ok you're one of us no life for our lives like hey I didn't sign any contract about that you guys need to read the anime what wait what'd you say someone in chat said they're not visions what do you call them yeah that's my next question it has to come true no I didn't presume that I had to come true I presume that it was possibilities I assume so well it could be a collection of all kinds of things I'm happy to call them visions though they're just visuals you saw something you had a vision of something something so yeah it keeps fighting him and eventually kills him and I mean I'm not trying to rush this but we are at three hours so that's the film yeah it's the end of the movie then act one to conclude over now begins act two and act three for sure my genuine experience with this and apparently a lot of people had this was I didn't I wasn't paying attention to the timecode so when it hit the credits I was like wait what oh fuck that's it Jesus I didn't oh I felt that okay and a lot of people the initial reviews were like that felt like the movie just cut off like it just stopped um yeah and I was thinking like I know that this is a random thought it's not anything it would be so much for me to consider especially the source material but you know like I would have settled probably for the um the movie to be about trying to make the spice mining work and uh Lito actually manages to sort of make it work or get close to it and then the Harkins take steps to basically just like he you know he's actually making a different we have to just kill him and so the third act is all about that big fight and like the aftermath is them escaping the big fight and uh you know moving on to the next adventure whatever um instead of like because we have that strange portion of the film that's um in that plant or whatever building it is and I wonder if we could shift things around to make it feel a little bit more flowy but ultimately the whole the structure and how things work and stuff I just don't I don't want to be too obsessed with that as opposed to just trying to iron out the issues I have with the script because uh yeah it's a little bit more complicated to break down exactly why anything should be particular acts and everything um but yeah I don't know what else do you guys want to talk about before we go to the video um we didn't talk much about it go ahead okay then I'll go wait if I could just pause you one sec someone said it's not about Lito a lot of it is actually if you watch it so that's you know I'm glad we got that out of the way a lot of it's about him and the choices he makes and it's probably why he's my favorite character even um interesting lad would have been neat to see him succeed at spice mining and as I said it may contradicts source whatever that's so there's plenty of reasons that you may want to avoid it but that's that could have been an option for me personally it was a bit too slow in some parts I think as I said already like a bunch of cool stuff in it I like the characters and yeah I'm definitely going to look forward to the next one see what happens because that's when I was like invested in the movie finally and then it stopped and I was like oh man I definitely be watching the next one yeah because we had all this setup now and it's like oh shit yeah what we do now like this like holy war and shit like what was happening like this was great sounds epic and then we're done it's like a really really long intro to the whole series I wonder how many parts they do probably like three or four I would guess right I don't know I think there's two and then there's other books they might adapt from what I understand the first book has been split in two and I've heard that it would be entirely possible to do the second book as one movie on its own and that would be like a good rounded story yeah I mean I guess cause like we didn't talk much about the characters I think that they're fine for the most part I'm not sure that I would say that they're like particularly exceptional here when I first described this movie to somebody I was metal or someone else but I said it was like a sandwich with two big pieces of bread and just one slice of ham in it I think that's a good way to describe it I know that's going to come across as pretty controversial to a lot of people but like I'm very much I love me some characters I like this movie but when I was looking back I was like what do I love about Baron Harkinen it's like mainly Stellan Skarsgård's performance it was a character he's ruthless yeah I think that's the case right a lot of it is I like the performers and the performances but the characters themselves are just they're okay they're not like crazy I feel I can make very genuine and more detailed praise of Lito I think he's the best character and he's also my favorite in terms of just the amount of detail layering and the story that this character is having to deal with I feel he has a lot of arguments that can be made about how meaningful it is Paul I almost feel like I was starting to maybe figure out Paul's journey and the film ended like in terms of yeah it feels like the second movie will be where we actually really get the stuff for Paul like we just get set up here his mum it's like yeah she's a very loyal Bene Gesserit but also torn with being the tradies I guess she cares a lot about Paul Duncan it's like he's pretty cool he's a cool guy yeah also dead unfortunately no so there's not a lot for me to grab with character in this which is unfortunate because it's two half hour movie full on like sci-fi fantasy thing and I just I kind of wish there was more to grip that goes like because I feel like this film if it didn't have such charismatic and talented actors it might be in trouble absolutely I think yes yeah uh I like how people like oh sorry spoilers but just saying like who's gonna be in the next movie why why do that and that's the thing I can't even I don't even know the difference between what's a spoiler and what isn't because I don't know if they course adaptation yeah that too yeah oh yeah and also you could be lying to us that's not true that's a lie she's lying what's funny is if I was asked to give like a number I'm sitting like I maybe six I'm not actually sure I'm somewhere in that room um and that's specifically writing in terms of production it's fucking top-notch really not really really good one of the best looking and sounding movies just in general have like man that's really impressive real good yeah uh and I guess the question is like would you recommend it it's like probably I feel like I would yeah especially in a cinema um the this feels like a movie that doesn't come very often and so yeah I would check it out um I mean I'll be happy of this like if Dune becomes a series that you know is continues and we get to explore more of this world and and because I think the world is really cool I guess I just wish um for a movie that is two and a half hours long there it does seem like there was a lot of information that was omitted that would have been valuable to know yeah and I feel like we should have worked a little bit harder to make more scenes where we can get more character at the same time as getting information yeah yeah I think so um but we'll see what the second movie is gonna do who knows I like it I think you guys do too right or do you not I thought it was a cool movie when I watched it I think I mentioned it uh like yeah my immediate thought when I left it was that was cool um I think I think the cool factor is really strong uh I guess it's just there are questions of like how how nuanced are the characters and you know plot stuff as well but but I guess it's awkward because it's not it's not a complete story yet like a lot of whether or not I like this movie may well be affected significantly by what comes next but I mean Dune 2 is already happening so at least there's no concern as to whether or not that story's gonna be completed yeah maybe we'll give covers to that at some point depends if Australia get to see it at several times or not we'll find out I'm sure that it will line up a bit better next time but I suppose that's that for talking about the Dune movie next up is taking a little lucky see at a video that that says Dune has a fatal flaw and uh it's from our good friend the closer look we haven't we haven't watched one of his videos in forever's oh boy and so the thumbnail says Dune has a flaw and then the title says Dune why loyal adaptations don't work oh no ooh hey chat I feel like you'll be angrier than us you guys yeah now you can be mad at them instead of us hell yeah join the room watch together changing up on me hopefully this is still working the problem is I can't tell how negatively it was received because there's no dislikes anymore well the last I think I saw it at 80% that's why I was like ooh ooh that's that's not so good yeah well the thing is he may have pissed people off the in the don't piss off you know like he may have said something that we agree with that pisses everyone else off who knows right but maybe maybe it's not this is another instance of like your workings all right just like in maths class you know the workings it's gotta line up um rags has said they are working on getting him back online he could be back at any moment he could also not be back we're not 100% sure yet what he thinks about the sword stuff he's having the shield I don't know he's gonna have to watch the e-fap episode that write down notes to tell like to get on the next I'm sorry about that it sucks so at 5.1k likes and 1100 dislikes okay right so that's like about 80% right I just put on the that add on people made where is it right yeah listen up chat there is an extension that can get you the likes and dislikes back yeah so firefox and chrome just search for dislike button add on and then you get both links on youtube on the google machine return youtube dislike it looks exactly the same by the way dude infinitely hilarious so funny that's something that's happened let me alright hold on let me see let me refresh oh no it's not there oh yes it is hello yes wow it's exactly the same yeah it's funny because they they just got rid of the visuals like the the point of information where they got it is still the same like I think the the other youtube thing that shows you the ratio I forgot the name of it oh it works as well vidIQ I think does that vidIQ yeah that's still stop working properly still shows you everything they might try and find a way around that but for now I think I'll figure it out eventually but yeah the interface that's been used for that is the same that's the word that was missing alright you guys ready yep oh hang on where's my there we go vidIQ is sponsored by audible yay I have infinite respect why does he talk like this alright we gotta get that out of the way first I have infinite respect for doon because it's written in a way yeah he puts it on he said that when we had him on he said that he as far as he's concerned it's a voice that works real well for the peeps I don't know what else to say on top of that hey rex hello hi I made it back I'm pleasant you missed the entire movie conversation you missed the whole conversation I know it's fine rex what do you think about the shields what do I think about the shields spotlight in mgs um definitely interesting it's not unheard of in what way overall do you think that makes sense in their entirety what do you think well you're a halo fan I am lies what he might lie about what continent he's on but he knows a thing or two about halo so in halo I assume he's already told you this before but your shield isn't always on per se it's not actually always on but it works this way in mass effect as well whenever the sensors on your suit or your shield thingy whenever they sense an incoming object of an appropriate speed they will send out a propulsion to block it that way you can still grab objects and manipulate the environment around you so it's certainly not unheard of and I'm not sure if Frank Herbert did it before asimov did I think in foundation they have a similar concept but I wouldn't be surprised if things like halo and that if they were kind of based off of this concept so with that being said I think I'm okay with them I don't think I have an issue with them I haven't really thought about it too much the premise of they stop fast moving objects but slow ones they don't or if they see a fast moving object they will recognize it for what it is as something that's trying to get you and they will propulse out a certain amount of force to try and keep it away from you but uh how do you think that would work against explosives so this depends on the nature of the explosion itself in terms of does it stop the force of an explosion it would probably stop shrapnel I would give it stop shrapnel yeah how whether or not it can project against a shock wave I don't know I think that would be difficult to do I guess it all of this is contingent on what we see if they show it working I'll buy it if they don't and if they're inconsistent with it then we have an issue and I guess that's the problem is we don't see that because they fight with swords yes I guess they because they know that shields are so effective at stopping bullets that it's just a given that you are going to it's just better to use swords in this aspect but is it better to use swords than it is to use for instance the little uh the dart thing that they use on um on oscarize I yeah oscarizing um I don't know um a lot of this is down to the logistics of the darts and how they can be used in an army situation uh is there any reason to think that they couldn't be mass produced um it's it's not necessarily mass-producibility there I don't know that's the thing I just don't know this is kind of like this might we start we might start getting into the territory of why like kind of hyperspace and star wars why don't they just use hyperspace to remnant other ships it's never ever that was that was a tlj floor though it really was well yeah well this is what I'm getting at right if the the fact that it just sort of seems to be the way the universe works how much credit do we give to the concept of well clearly this can't be done or they would be doing it until of course tlj breaks it that's why I guess like that's the question I don't know that's the thing I just don't know if we see that the dart is effective once um I guess it does leave the question of what if you had it so that you have a dart and then it slows down and then blows up once it gets through the shield yeah I I just don't know it seems like it seems like you'd have a lot of darts you'd have a lot of dart throwers a lot of yeah I mean is there any reason a really heavy bullet couldn't just if anything force you to yeah yeah we do see they have that technology when attacking buildings and stuff and then they have the darts and so what I can gather they have the technology they're not using it though yeah I don't know I think it's hello that's a power situation so it seems to be on and I'm pleasantly surprised because so I don't know if you showed the picture probably don't but yeah right next to our apartments a single car there is no second car involved a single car the parking flipped and totaled itself and went through a pole through a very mundane straight stretch of road so they took out a bus stop too but apparently they're okay some guy I was talking to out there said that he watched him crawl out of the car afterwards so that's good wear your seatbelts kids please wear your seatbelts because that car was that car was fucked up but they were able to just but so I expected my power to be at least out all today and probably into tomorrow but I when I was driving back because I was just hanging out at my folks place because power's out here and I got a notification through the electric Facebook page I don't have Facebook but that's where they said they post their updates and they said yeah we restored power to most of the area so I went back to check and sure enough we're good so I'm pleasantly surprised down on everything but I guess so I don't know look electricity is basically magic right so I I guess it just works how it does so I won't complain but who knows how they work I don't know I just don't fucking know it's crazy that's one of the oldest memes it feels like that's the clown people right yes maybe so here's the thing I need to specify nowadays who I mean whenever the band the the insane clown party right that's what they're called yeah yeah what a choice to make in your life insane anyway rags you've joined us at the best time ever because we're between the two halves of the stream well three oh you just wrapped up the I was holding out hope that maybe I would get back right in between your story so I wouldn't write in between the two sections it kind of works though there may be a because we've established a lot of things now so that they may pop up in this video and then we'll have to sort of hash them out with you if in case you maybe agree or disagree depending on whatever comes up but you got the link yes so that the video is called dune why loyal adaptations don't work so that's a lie that's a strange thing to say that's a lie that's a lie I'm very interested to see what arguments are going to be coming up in this this is our is our I think we've covered him was it once or twice before we definitely covered him once I just can't remember if it's more than that it was the it was the yeah it was the in-game video where he said that would be better if it were more like two towers like okay that's an observation I guess that's that is more sense but yeah I don't think that's what he was talking about he was just because he was referencing Helm's Deep being awesome the fight should have been more like that but all fight should be like Helm's Deep regardless of scale or context or characters make it like Helm's Deep somehow just do it but anyway I'd be curious to see how he's going to rationalize this one I don't know what kind of argument we're going to be seeing here so without everyone ready yeah we just we did go over his voice but I assume I'll play it and rags you'll want to comment as well because this video is sponsored by Audible I have infinite respect for Deneval Nouve and his recent epic Dune but while I was watching it and enjoying it something just fell off I hate it I hate this fucking fake ass voice it's so corporate and sterile at the same time it's just it's like the computer voice like a computer recording in the future when you go to a hospital and the computer voice says that's what it sounds like it sounds like a fake person voice like a robot a robot attempting to portray itself as human maybe this is a touring test it's all good because we know it was he came on he had a normal person voice and he was like yeah use this voice because people like it it works better I don't know just yeah just I wish he wouldn't but what are you gonna do yeah what are you gonna do and enjoying it something just fell off and had a hard time pinning it down that was until the credits in my cinema rolled and the woman behind me shouted is that it that was when I finally realized the truth that Dune while being a great film like fails to realize its full potential because bizarrely it's too faithful to the source material so I'm going to keep hearing the breath in the recording it's so funny I don't know I'm not sure why I didn't cut those out because that's worth I can't wrap my head around this realization is that it oh it's because it's too faithful well to be fair that's his proposition the video so we'll see what he says but fun fact when I did the outlast video some people in town remember this I responded to a couple of youtubers chaseface included but one of them was that guy what's his name Noah Colwell Javay I think is his name now he doesn't cut out any of his breath he's literally like you know he'll be talking and you just just just put it in pastures he goes you just hear it fully and you're like you couldn't okay that's fine go ahead I don't cut out mine but I think it's because mine are particularly loud I was gonna say we're talking very different levels of breathing because this one annoyed me so much that I made a compilation after responding to what I thought were very shitty points from him I was just like can you stop and then I just played it all in a row and I was like cut this shit out of your video he didn't like me for saying that naturally the thing is this is a youtuber it doesn't really matter I barely interacted with him but he was someone sent me a screenshot this could have been like two years ago I don't remember but someone said like compared him to me in his comment section said something like oh you know I like your videos you do the long stuff a lot like Muller and he was like don't fucking compare me to that like worthless youtuber oh shit that's fine I was moving on someone else linked me because they were like no fucking way he had a video like a Q&A and the first Q&A thing he has someone says like what are you planning to do in future in terms of like upping your quality he says you know I'm looking to get maybe a better camera I'd like to spend more time on my scripts my audio what do you guys think about being cut out like the breaths and stuff a lot of people that bring you right back to me half the responses in the comments were like yeah that'd be great this is a great little addition it'd be nice the other half were like no it makes you feel more genuine oh I don't know so being genuine you could genuinely be doing something that's really annoying yeah I mean Hitler was being genuine I don't think anyone criticizes Hitler because he wasn't genuine that makes everything so clear I'm glad it does I'm always happy to help but yeah I just thought that was amusing so I was like oh I was the dick for pointing that out but now you're like maybe I should change it someone showed me a compilation like that I'd be like holy fuck I never knew that's funny because I remember when I made my John Wick video I think the first thing Mola said to me was like you need to cut out the breathing parts after you record yeah that makes sense it's probably annoying as shit I mean nobody has to do anything I'm just saying I'm just saying I just think it helps it doesn't make sense to me when you pointed out if you listen to it you don't see the breathing in the videos yeah that's dumb he breathes like me I clapped I can't understand because it was something I didn't do for a long time but then once you notice it like once you start noticing it all the time it's like nah it's gotta go my transition for it I remember a point where I was like I just got to breathe lighter that's the solution yeah and then I was like wait if I cut them out and then I was like yeah but that takes ages and I was like yes but the videos are forever exactly are you gonna Jackie Chan said are you gonna go to every youtuber every youtube viewer and tell them that you were really tired while you were cutting the audio and you just decided to leave them in the video I'm really tired I'm not cutting the breath fuck you oh is that what Jackie Chan said that was the quote it was along the lines of yeah if you leave your breath in there you're not gonna be able to go around and tell everybody that you were really tired so you need to put in the effort you should probably give him the original context I think his rags like wait he gave advice to youtubers okay I assume that what Jackie Chan was talking about was something related to filmmaking and going the extra mile to make it good and instead of youtube viewers he meant like audience members or moviegoers yeah so what he said basically when he was you know when you're making like your film and you're doing your takes for like the action scene are you gonna go around to every theater and tell them well we spent the whole day working on this shot we can't do it anymore like you're gonna go around and tell them how hard you worked and everything people only see what's on the screen and the movie is basically forever so you should put in the effort to try and make it like really great it's a good quote that is a really good quote that is a really good quote by the way I think that's great to think about it because some people are saying it is good to sound genuine it's like yeah so what happens when you cut breath it doesn't sound genuine is the video we're watching right now what if you sound genuine but like shit because most a lot of people just sound terrible a lot of people sound crap that's what we've highlighted right it's like there's a spectrum for all of this just because you sound genuine doesn't mean you're sounding good well yeah genuine doesn't and also you can think something's genuine and it ain't because they did a really good job of convincing you of acting yeah that's right there is a degree of acting to this croft basically whenever you hear a laugh in a scripted video you've been duped they weren't actually laughing someone in chat brings up um sorry you shouldn't eliminate all breaths and pauses or it'll be as incomprehensible as a movie bob video correct I wasn't talking about erasing pauses yeah I know it's just something something someone brought up I think is yeah it's when you like no gap between the lines so immediately there was an element of that like you could because I sometimes do that but it's a balancing act I was supposed to say there's a mistake people were like that was a style at one point right like vloggers would do it where they just cut everything right next to it yeah you'd see them constantly with those cuts because their cameras would be on as well it was jump cuts that's right positions like oh see I'm over here I don't like it myself I don't mind getting a pause here and there some people just talk slower than others and I think that sometimes sometimes it's good sometimes maybe if you're a slow talker I don't know I think there's an appeal to that sometimes as long as you're not obnoxious about it but sometimes it's alright I find that slowing down is valuable a lot of the time because I can go really fast so a lot of the time I deliberately try to slow it down pronunciation and everything just sounds better despite what certain as your hedgehogs might lead you to believe you don't have to go fast you don't have to go fast sometimes this is the long agenda you're hearing right here guys just trying to find ways of making things longer yeah I was going to bring up that one bizarre thing that Riley J Dennis that's the name you haven't heard in a while fuck a name in a while one of the bizarre things that she'd do is cut out like all of the space in between sentences there would be more space in between words than there were sentences and between every sentence she'd cut out all of the space and it sounded bizarre and very strange and no thought was allowed any moment to rest or breathe or anything is very strange as a vlog style it was one of the dare I say earlier parts of youtube not early ass just I remember a lot of people doing it I think it was eager after it could have been but someone's parody video of that with like I remember like cartoons bouncing around the room because of all the takes but then they were all shoved right next to each other to make a sentence and it sounded funny I think it was psychic pebbles did a thing where it was like how to be a famous you choose and then the guy was like I had a funny day I went to the that's the one that's the one look how funny that was no so anyway this video let's do it fails to realize its full potential because bizarrely it's too faithful to the source material I can't not see it now good old Doug so cutting straight to the heart of it this film has a lot going for it he's not going to cut straight to the heart of it why wasn't the visual of someone cutting somebody come on great cinematography a wonderful score acting and well building that I loved so much I promise to make a second video I say just gushing about that aspect of the film alone because I was so thoroughly impressed by it I know all of this is you saving face like don't get mad at me please don't get mad see we like it see your revenge of the seven we like I mean we see we really like Dune it's great I think the it's probably fair to try and reassure people he's not just hating you do get people to get weird but maybe I wonder if it makes a difference at all it's like for me if you were in the school I'd be like it doesn't matter how much you like Dune I just want to see how good your argument is against Dune okay I don't you'll be fine I do have a question though is one day potentially maybe years from now is that where I'm going to poop that out um I guess we're supposed to surely we have to believe I guess it can draw nutrients out of like and consume that fully I guess maybe there's a big whim or maybe it just sucks out what it sucks out and then there's just I don't know just a chassis just gets just dunked in the sand but it's varied hundreds of feet underground maybe I don't know but for all of that it has really holds it back it's structure when you boil it down the original Frank Herbert novel follows a three act structure spoilers for these years do move you ahead by the way but in the first act of the book we have our classic exposition phase as you know we meet the characters they move to the planet Arrakis and we spend a while just hanging out with them as we learn about the setting then wham the inciting incident strikes House of Trades gets attacked by the Harkinons and the plot finally kicks into gear the first act then ends with the Duke dying and Paul going on the run with his mother as the rising action begins to climb and then we move into the second act Paul meets up rising action is going to climb yeah it's rising I was like I think uh because I just interspersed these thoughts here and there as we cover the video but pacing wise for this movie I think this is the one spot in particular really that in memory I just felt like it crawled a little bit was after the after the battle happens and you're with um uh Paul and Jessica in the desert I feel like it's sort of just like okay let's are you talking about after or before Duncan dies uh I think this is this is before Duncan dies right right when they're in the tent thingy because I was thinking when they crash land from the little dragonfly thing and then they walk for a while before they meet up with uh Stilga I was wondering if you thought of that I don't know I could I could see it being similar in my mind I don't recall it I I don't know why but I think that this part just seemed to be at least the after the battle before Duncan that seemed particularly really slow to me dragging out okay that's all right it's just some just a thought cool fremen and then begins to earn their respect leading up to the uh big midpoint twist now I won't give away any further details to you guys who haven't read the book I don't want to spoil it for you but this highlight a bit here is what the plot of the first half of the do novel looks like and when Villeneuve adapts I mean if you say so I I can't know and plus I mean pacing in books and pacing in movies I don't think it's fair to put them one to one to each other yeah um I agree just the way that your brain accepts information through reading especially because even when you're when you're reading it's books are movies you direct in your head and so even when nothing really sorry even when nothing like interest quote-unquote interesting or exciting or incredible is happening you in your head putting together the scenes of characters talking or learning about exposition I think it just comes across different um it's a lot less passive because where books require than a movie requires that's the point of this video is it not um I mean I guess you could argue that what Rags has just said isn't necessarily in contradiction to what close looks like and he's just making the comment in general yeah um I guess we'll see what his point is or if he takes that point and does anything productive with it yeah because the implication of this point is that you see we didn't get the rest of that stuff so that's not in the movie now like things work a bit differently when you do that anyway but we'll see yeah and I'm fine with huge amounts of exposition in a in a movie even if during that exposition I'm learning about characters how does a character react to this information what does a character do with this information what is you know how does the world work a lot of that's very very interesting so I don't know I guess we'll see we'll see what the uh wait for you but this highlight bit here is what the plot of the first half of the do full looks like and when will move adapted doon he decided to simply find the uh 50 percent mark of the book rip the thing at the spine then adapt just well the man framing that framing I think that I'm sure there's a reason for cutting where he did beyond ripping it in half or man that's a yeah it's yeah it feels inexact and arbitrary uh it whereas I can I understand why he ended the movie here I can see why this would be a point where it's like okay it almost has um in a lesser way it's like the end of fellowship uh where you have the amon hen fight you have characters dying they get split off go their separate ways we have a job to do in the future characters go off to do their thing that's where it cuts off and then we get to our next movie similar I think similar it feels to me like a fair place to cut it off in the sense that we've completed something here but wait and we're about to start something I guess it's just the thing of man I would have liked to have seen what we're about to start well I think I think that's a credit to the movie I wanted to see more I was definitely in that position I wonder if um I wonder if the ending would have felt a bit more smooth had the ending been when they get to the siege whatever it is it's introduced to Paul's this enormous amazing new world and then she's like welcome to a new world or something like that and then we hit credits yeah maybe maybe hard to say but it's potentially so whereas this sort of leaves us in a place of I can't wait to see it at all I can't wait until we actually get there we're sort of in a weird way maybe with um alongside Paul in that regard where we haven't seen it either and that's what we're waiting to discover I think both could have worked I think I don't have any issues with the film ending here but if we did what you said Mahler I don't think I'd have any issues with that as well I was cool a little bit off guard I didn't expect it to end here I don't think I did either but I think that's most a lot of that was you get to a certain time amount and you think I feel like we could end in a lot of different places at this point because we've hit the you know X hour mark so you there is part of my body that's just sort of expecting it not necessarily ready for it and excited for it just like expecting it admittedly I think the reason why I thought it was going to end was because I knew that this was split in half like I'd heard that what does a part one at the beginning of the movie it does and it does now quickly though it it says flashes you blink and you miss it it does yeah as as he possibly could here's the thing will move did a nearly perfect job at respecting the source material here like seriously with the exception of a handful of nitpicks such as how he he didn't set up the doctors motivations for betrayal as well as he could have I think that's an epic yeah have done a better job however it is precisely because will move was so loyal to the source material that this movie has frankly by the way that fremen guy there he reminds me of king leonidus he does actually now that you've said that yeah yeah it kind of reminds me of Javier bottom as well let me look let me look him up how sorry you think he looks like Javier Bardem oh a little bit yeah I think enjoy that for a while you're all gonna have so much fun maybe it's maybe it's facial hair that he needs or is that actually him it is ah okay I wanna see some emojis let's do it Javier Bardem looks like Javier Bardem I didn't know with him I didn't know either because I'm not as familiar with that guy I legitimately didn't I legitimately didn't know I didn't know that actor I didn't realize yeah I just used one of the people I was excited to see in the movie I guess it's credit to Fringy that he was able to recognize who it was he was able to recognize him that's that is good that is Javier Bardem performing so well that Fringy wasn't even sure it was him that I didn't even realize it was him that's acting that's acting right there for a second there I was like no he must be talking about like one of the other characters like no way you'll mistake it Oscar Isaac Jason Momoa Javier Bardem my brain was having trouble with that I think for me I think I've only seen him in No Country for Old Men and Skyfall I haven't seen No Country for Old Men yet so good that's a great one but yeah he so I'm not that familiar with him hey what are you doing no don't write that down don't write that rags isn't writing anything as Vilnou was so loyal to the source material that this movie has frankly I feel reluctant to say such a harsh thing about such a good film but Dune quite frankly has an atrocious story structure I don't agree I disagree yeah you're gonna have I think it would be tough to move me into the even bad territory but atrocious he's got a lot of justifying to do now I don't think he can get to atrocious I don't think so I think it's fine I know it's not something that's gonna appeal to a lot of people but that's fine that's not like a problem as far as I'm concerned what are is if Vilnou had given himself permission to alter the book's plot keeping the characters in the essence of the story but adding and stopping still keeping the characters those little breasts I'm starting to notice them all now is it not where on you just being a fake ass person does it not get tiring I don't know man I couldn't do it I couldn't do it this already good movie would have been all the better for it and I'll break down exactly my suggestion how this should have been done in the final section of this video called a better plot Harry Potter no not harry potter again is it like that a thing that he really likes harry potter it's a new book he referenced harry potter like over and over again to attack one of the rings right and I'll break down exactly my suggestion how this should have been done in the final section of this video called a better plot so cringy I would have break down how to fix this in my section called a better plot like you gotta be careful with that I'm gonna fix your movie it's like cause I think you should always present it as an alternative rather than strictly better unless it's just a shit film oh yeah I guess yeah we really try to save calling it better for times where you're basically like I will keep everything that you try to achieve but also just remove the things that are damaging it or something like that but even then you really sterile about it yeah like and not fix adjust you know just as an alternative an alternative idea potential potential fascinating conversation because when adapting a story is the most important thing respecting the source material or making the best possible movie so what's more important respecting the source or making it the best possible movie I mean for us this is an easy answer yeah it feels like you asked your own question there it feels loaded doesn't it what would you rather X or the best thing best thing I guess I'll take the best thing so well and good to say well you should try to do both the same time he's doing a voice on top of his voice he's doing a fake voice with his fake voice he's doing a double voice you know what that takes talent Rags to have your fake voice doing a fake voice wasn't the only reason we got the Harry Potter for it so he could make the voice of the character I guess so okay that's weird okay it's all well and good to say well you should try to do both the same time they're both equally as also I can't speak as to whether or not the Harry Potter movies are even good it's been so long since I've seen them and I certainly haven't been that critical of them I just don't know I can't say whether they're good nor can I say whether they're faithful I read the books ages ago but like I said that was a long time ago the movies are like 20 years old they are at this point as important not a practical philosophy and you'll realise that when you inevitably run into a ton of moments where you have to prioritise one over the other I don't disagree with that wait did he said it's not a practical philosophy to to both be 100% faithful and to create the best movie yes because some books are shit exactly should you be allowed to go against the source material if doing so improves the entertainment value of your film if you ask me the answer to that is easily yes and 2021's dune is what convinced me but this is the internet and I'm not pretending to be some omnipotent critic if you think respecting the source material should always be the main priority no matter what who's to say which one of us is wrong well no one is because neither of us he's just random movie visuals essentially is what we have for now yeah this whole issue is largely subjective and I totally respect that like when he says largely subjective he's like what's the objective part it's no objective I like to know what he thinks if I could ask him so which part of that is the objective part I'd love to know that's right up my alley so respectfully allow me to voice my opinion as to why this approach of total loyalty to the source material had a terrible consequence on screen is this movie's structure and if you know anything at all about story structure you'll immediately realize what's wrong here so you fucked up already do you remember the graph do you know that graph that you read about that one thing you should already know what the problem is it's amazing that there was something wrong with the structure of it deviates from the one that you think is the one always I don't mind this at all this line if you just presented me with this line and say think of a cool movie that could have this where a nice slow burn steak building that's what this looks like to me we got some exposition at the beginning some world building some character establishment then we get our inciting incident but it's a little subtle and then it gets more and more tense and the steaks rise a little more and more and more until it gets really dangerous at the end there's nothing about that that doesn't work by the way this is inaccurate I don't think this represents the movie when I blow up and they attack I feel like that's a big spike that's a big whole spike it's a big deal the reason it's a big deal is because we've spent so much time establishing all of this stuff and then like the the thopter scene and then it comes back down and then it goes big and then it comes back down and then it's like gap and then the Duncan fight and then come back down again and then we have the thing fight and then we end it feels like more like that and at that point like we're looking at something very custom here I don't know that we should be like yeah so I'm like well you're not supposed to do that you're supposed to go idiot and you're like oh I didn't know the once again somebody who's clearly being like most of this is subjective and we're like oh we disagree exactly probably what those things are but anyway go ahead and then they tell us something this is wrong this is the right way to tell stories and this is the wrong way we wouldn't say that not here in this place let's see here this graph thing's interesting me so what if we took a fellowship of the ring right if we were going to do like a weird plot graph or whatever it is for fellowship of the ring I wonder what would that look like let's see let me get my thing out here I think the main thing that you will notice is that basically like pretty much any story ever is going to have like peaks and then dips it's not just going to be like a steady one like this so we have some shire stuff and then oh there's we got a bit of the ring going on oh you guys have to leave okay we got the ring right oh you guys leave the shire goes down a little bit then we see some ring race you can just you can go ahead and we can continue with the video if you want I don't know I guess I could or you could narrate a simple version of the entire plot line of fellowship of the ring it's really up to you I don't know which one did you rather here I probably play the video we'll talk about and then when you're done with the thing we can show us what here's one thing we could make this interactive in a way we all four of us could do it and we could see how they align I don't even know what we're doing I just came back that's fine I guess we could we could do it later I will abstain oh we'll bring it we didn't get three acts we got a first act and half of a second so again so this is something I mentioned earlier in the video and I guess it's probably worth clarifying like there are other stories besides the three act structure and simply when I said like the film is just act one basically that's not like a that's not really like a complaint in and of itself um because once the second film comes out and they're all together it's like oh well I mean I guess that's gone right because I've got the complete story now um there is more than just the three act structure it's the most common one it's not the only one well because what we're ultimately appealing to as well is just going to be audience satisfaction and three act structure seems to work pretty well but you can already that's right with all those words you can already see like well so generally so what also works but unconventionally and it's like well there's loads of films that do unconventional act structures there's four act structures there's uh yeah there's a lot of different ways to do it it's a two and a half hour long film by the way and it means the inciting incident you know the moment where the plot actually begins the plot I don't like this either by the way so that's the problem is the plot begins at the beginning of the movie yeah I mean I would say the first very important thing that happens the emperor is commissioned to which you could argue is an inciting incident he's just referring to a specific inciting incident within this structure that's the problem right when because this probably was the inciting incident in the book but this is the movie and if this was only the movie and there was no part two and it was just this one story it's like well then I guess this wouldn't be the inciting incident it would be like way earlier in the film well yeah and what if this film ended when they hook back up with Duncan and they all go like you know they say some stuff and we calm back down it's like this would no longer be the inciting incident this would just be the fucking climax yeah it doesn't happen until one hour and 15 minutes in that's 50% of the way into the film see okay there's a problem here for language significantly like you're telling me this is a problem to have your inciting incident 50% in and I'm like so everything that happened in that first 50% you consider that what and he's like set up I'd be like what about the action scenes what about the things that move characters to do particular things like this doesn't count because it's not what it's not the biggest actions like how did you determine this exactly yeah everything and then once we figure all that out unless they agree with him how is it a problem how is it not do the only reason it's something you shouldn't do is because you read in a book that you're not supposed to do that but then I'll just point to you would like another film and just argue that the inciting incident was actually this instead of that what what is the incite incident for Falsha for the ring exactly um the I would probably say that it's um Gandalf discovering with the ring that it's truly the one ring I think that's probably fair I think that's what kicks off a lot of the behaviors of the like that's what gets Frodo to leave the Shire that is what is that's what starts him on this journey right I think that's fair I guess what I'm suggesting with this is like you know like the whole prologue how exciting and engaging and informative it all is if someone was like well yeah but you know that's the setup or like it gets brushed away because it's not it's before the inciting incident or something like this this it's all important that's why and inciting inciting incident is not just the first action scene exactly that's what I'm getting at I find this way with framing this very strange the inciting incident for Harry Potter is when Gandalf fuck I'm so sorry Ganondorf Dumbledore Dumbledore arrives at the Dursley's house right I'd say that's the inciting incident well hmm I don't know it's complicated right because generally the inciting incident when you think about it from the POV of the main character is the thing that disrupts their normal situation it is it is things have changed and now they have to progress from there so you could say the inciting incident was them just moving to Arrakis because that is the change or or even more so the fact that them getting like you said earlier the Emperor's Decree I feel like when that happens everything else happens the story has been incited things would carry on as like typically would in this world but this the reason that in this world this is what our story is about is because of this event in the world if we argue that then we can argue that the big action scene is the second act low point we could we could start really altering this we can mutate it to the point where we could maybe even argue that it is a regular three act structure it doesn't feel that way and I don't think I would call it that but the thing is this is a flimsy fucking system that you can push and pull in different directions yeah and you don't even need the three act structure nope before that is simply the exposition phase that lays the groundwork for what's to come like a lot of people complain that this movie just has a lethargically slow pace and this is the reason for reference but are they correct or is that just what they say I just agree I don't think it's a lethargically slow I agree for me personally it was a little bit too slow but I wouldn't go that far I know plenty of people who find it slow I didn't find it slow so now what do we do yeah yeah yeah it's like I see why but I I don't know what I'm gonna do I'm not even calling the pace bad just for me personally that's like legit just be like it could be a little bit faster but it's not terrible I like how he's just like this is the reason yeah it's like oh okay you got it alright you nailed it nice in most writing circles it's agree that you want to have your insight against it happen by about the 12% mark of your story oh god I hate it I hate this advice I hate it but what if I'm doing something else nope 12% 12% wait I don't know 12% well let's see I'm curious occurs within the first act and sometimes it is considered the act one break so like I don't know so let's take the fellowship of the ring as an example that is two hours and 58 minutes let's just call it straight up three hours right 12% into a three hour movie minute wise is someone help me out here because I'm fucking shit at math no we do so I guess we take 680 times 0.12 so if 18 minutes is 10% in then we're a three hour movie so that's 180 minutes times 0.12 so 21 and a half minutes in I think that's how math works let me know if I'm there's the graph the one that you always see that's where he got this is the God graph everyone's supposed to abide by so that means 21 and a half minutes into the fellowship of the ring is when the inciting incident should occur but let me check fellowship do I not have a copy of that on my I totally should no I documents fellowship but the funny thing is that you have different ones where the inciting incident is actually much later in act one and sometimes it's the act one break so I don't know what 12% is like I don't know what I just I just you know why I hate that as advice like no I know it's like mine's a 20% and he's like hmm what wait wait a minute it's like what about the context of the story I'm trying to tell if someone in chat has a copy of fellowship of the ring let me know what the time stamp is for they're about discovering what the ring I might just have a copy I know I have it somewhere it's weird that it's not popping up because I use the footage for I don't know I got somewhere and I think I'm pretty sure I kept the Lord of the Rings ones when I was clearing up space but I'm curious to know I'd be curious how many movies I have now I think I have over 2000 so hopefully I have Lord of the Rings I'll be a good one to have wouldn't it wait so what exactly do you want scene-wise a general time point where Gandalf discovers that the ring is the one ring and he confronts Frodo about it 34 minutes where does he say 34 34 so if the 12% mark is 21 and a half minutes and it happens at how many minutes 34 34 uh oh bucking trends Mr. Jackson he was bucking the trend yeah it's frustrating I'm sure what close look would say though well no no you can move it you can stretch it it's just advice it's a guideline almost like why though why is that is that just where it happens to be oftentimes I'm starting to think inciting incident isn't even a definitive thing it'll change based on everything else that happens in your story if that makes sense like what I'm suggesting is if my whole story was a guy who sat in a room talking to somebody um maybe he close look like well the inside incident is the second that this movie starts because he's already talking I'm like what if there just isn't one how do you even determine it exactly because if I think about 12th angry man like the inciting incident happens like one minute into the movie I was just sent a picture here um thank you Wolfie um he showed me a screen cap of the 21 and a half minute mark which is 12% into the movie and it's Bilbo's birthday party Gandalf setting fireworks off so well that's inciting incident right they spawned firework dragon and it scares the populace at frame 26000 second act starts in every good movie such odd rules but very well let us press on this is a massive problem in itself but from here the movie structure just we've just determined that's a massive problem in and of itself everything before that is simply the exposition phase that lays the groundwork for what's to come a lot of people complain that this movie just has a lethargically slow pace and this is the reason for it's not just slow it's lethargically yeah he's out to be confused with excitingly slow or energetically slow exactly for reference in most my inciting incident refers to the point of no return the problem is you can call several moments that in certain stories I think it is a I think the inciting incident should be it's almost it almost defines itself it is the incident or the thing that occurs that sets the plot into motion as we you know the main plot into motion we had like two plots at once though you could have two inciting incidents per if they're not linked like if you have two things that they're following two stories and maybe they meet up maybe they don't well yeah like you know I'm investigating a murder and you just fix your PC and we meet at the end of the storyline for some reason that gets to it it's like the inciting incident at that point is going to be it we have to be too right like your PC breaking and then the person being murdered yeah I get yeah I guess if it's two unrelated plot lines you'd have to have two different inciting incidents unless the second plot line there there wasn't anything about it that was like if you had a story with you know let's say we robbed a bank EFAP robbed a bank and we we get the money in our big big sacks and they have the little money sign on them as they do and we're in our getaway car and I'm shooting with my Tommy going to the coppers and it's great and we're going down the road and then we get a flat tire oh no so we happen to yeah don't don't worry it was not done yet and but then we see another car coming down the road and we hold them up at gunpoint so get out of the car we're going to take your car so we can get away yeah and we've been following the owners of that second car on and off this entire time but nothing interesting happens with them so then we catch up to that's where they the two of us meet so the first one is definitely more plot like they're both technically plots but the bank robbing sequence is I guess plot one and plot two is this family who just basically got carjacked right so do they have an inciting incident for them or is it just coincidentally we're just getting expositional information or backstory to them and there's not even an inciting incident for the story because they're out of story after that we take their car they're there sitting on the side of the road we zoom away that's it they're just done with the story it's not about them anymore so what then what about that memento it's a film that's essentially told backwards do we argue that the inciting incident is now at the end of the film and yeah like what a film it opens up with us robbing the bank and then we all get shot dead and the rest of the film that was a flash forward right and then we go back to how it all started and it's like well what if we push those limits where an hour of the movie is the robberies end and the aftermath and then the next hour is a flashback to how it all happened so wouldn't the incite incident then be like at the back end of the movie and is that wrong no that would just story moeller that would just be bad ok wraps that up in a neat little boat yeah like a retroactive inciting incident you've done it wrong you're not allowed to do that I don't know why like you can take the three act structures a good example a good general advice but you don't have to you have to be so rigid with it that would basically be the point I like the three act structure I think it's a really good straightforward understandable way to tell a story that has rising tension and action peaks and dips it's just a really it's a really solid system but it is not the only way and whatever you're appealing to that is good about that system can be found in other systems there is something more fundamental the lying good storytelling then like these general ideas of where things ought to be placed and how you ought to have characters act and how it ought to be structured it's just there's something deeper than that and so I think it's about cutting to the root of that rather than because I think the problem that you run into is if you just take a lot of these pieces of advice at face value it fucks you up it derails you it means that you're so concerned with like all of these rules that you don't really know what's underpinning them you've just been told that that's the right way that's the way you're supposed to do it and that if you deviate from these things you're wrong and then you start to find that a lot of the rules contradict each other it's like well in this instance you can do that well if you're doing this then you can do that well actually you want to avoid this trope but if you do it this way then it can work and it's like what am I working with here what is like the fundamental thing that's finding this you don't find that in a lot of other disciplines like with art there are fundamentals there's form there's shape like shapes lighting like there's these core things that will anything that you're working on you can boil it down to like three or four core principles of art and it's the same with music like with a lot of the fundamental principles but for some reason I don't know with storytelling we don't do that it's just um it's frustrating I think it leads a lot of people in Australia I think a lot of people abandon stories that could have been really cool because they are not what you've been told you're supposed to do I mean if your if his argument in total was well I'm just trying to explain how to get a more broad appeal it might be like I don't want broad appeal broad appeal is shit fuck broad appeal that's what I'm saying like and if he goes oh okay and it's like but the thing is he's describing how like to improve it categorically not about necessarily broad appeal um also someone says he doesn't want to say the O word he doesn't no definitely not this is funny because this isn't objective like this isn't what you're actually appealing to he probably say it's it's not entirely subjective or something like that we'd be like be specific please be honest own it own a position you think that this is fundamentally the correct true yeah you are convinced of a position try and convince me that you're correct exactly yeah um someone in chat don't hide if I can't handle a world where guns and computers are irrelevant they can't grasp the reality like that our whole issue was that those things aren't irrelevant in dune they have guns in dune they have computers in dune they just don't have ones apparently specific ones that have been outlawed which again that needed to be in the movie oh ai it's kind of confusing to understand what it was the argument was because it's not in because it's in the books I don't think it plays into the movie at all but in books yet again the creation of ai is illegal you are not allowed it's one of the one of the I can certainly accept that as a rule it's a and it is a religious rule too okay it is based is a religious rule it says you shall not make machines in the image of man well then can we just clarify computers and ai are the same thing I know I was just bringing it up yeah yeah okay it's just people said computers that's all they literally are guns in the movie so I don't know why you'd say guns are outlawed yeah agree that you want to have your own sight against and happen by about the 12% mark of your story this is a massive problem in itself but from here the movie structure just gets why tell me why it's not a problem it's not a problem massive problem I'm rolling back by a good half a minute just to make sure we catch on because we've been chipping away a little bit there but like yeah I'm pretty sure I think let's just take it a face value that's just not what you're supposed to do when you're like all right then just hold on someone said so it's in the book is okay when rag says it no I just think it's an interesting thing I just brought up an interesting little thing about the book that's all I did all rag said was in the book they outlawed ai he literally said it's not in the movie said it's not relevant did he say it's relevant to that listening comrade shat I don't know wow rags hypocrite much did you realize what's wrong here we didn't get three acts we got a first act and half of a second it's a two and a half hour long film by the way and the inciting incident you know the moment where the plot actually begins it doesn't happen until one I want to break him over the uh well yeah calls Jesus about where the plot actually begins it's like what the fuck does that mean as opposed to where it doesn't actually begin yeah because obviously all the time before the inciting incident it's kind of irrelevant plot wise like you are wrong you're just wrong there's a story happening hour and 15 minutes in that's 50% of the way into the film like everything before I love the framing I'm sorry just he makes it sound so drastic like we are in trouble everyone it's like no we're not 50% of the film it's like what's trouble yeah like yeah what's wrong who's dying that is simply the exposition phase that lays the ground simply wants to come by the way exposition can be better than its story also some stories stories can be shit and maybe exposition in an interesting world is way more way better than a crappy story to a degree the exposition phase never ends listen if I see any exposition at 13% or later someone's getting fired because they fucked up probably shoot them as well you fucking meet a new character like 60% and you're just like no god because he's gonna say hello my name is you know that's you're done fucked it no new characters past the 50% mark no wait sorry past the 12% mark was it that's right 12% and no new informations not allowed screwing up your story idiot fucking stupid like a lot of people complain that this movie just has a lethargically slow pace and this is the reason for reference in most writing circles it's agree that you want to have your inciting incident happen by about the 12% mark of your story this is a massive problem in itself I like how he said in most writing circles they agree on this and not having that is a massive problem you're like what I feel like that's not a through line you've highlighted how some people think it is yeah and some people don't clearly didn't even know he clearly disagrees with you because he did it this way from here the movie structure just gets weirder because after this we have our rising action you know as a pool and his mother rising action rising action the run away and they get chased they meet up with the fremen the story is actually ramping up as you know the harkadins chase after them then we have a knife fight things getting exciting and the story suddenly stops without giving us any climax or form of denouement Paul almost died we didn't know if Paul was remember Paul gets the vision right before then that we don't know if he's gonna give in to yet I guess I gotta go on defense for this now because they're going way too far the other end Paul's decided I'm not gonna flee the planet I'm gonna stay with these people they are my people and my dad was charged with taking care of them and that I was sent here he basically seemed to me as a character that actually I'm gonna commit to being with the fremen I'm gonna go with the fremen to the fremen place that is like a setup for what's to come next look at the meme the meme was really good I was about to post that 12 angry percent yeah I just the idea that there's nothing at the end that's a good example 12 anger men's inciting incident is the fucking opening yeah I mentioned that earlier the trial is about to begin the inciting incident the alleged crime well I wonder how far you can go is it the big bang well it sounds like 12 angry men fucked up then is it bad? oh yeah it's awful which is funny because there's no there's no world where fucking close to look there's a lot of balls with that kind of concern now of course he'd be wrong anyway but I'm just saying like he'd be the person if he watched like Casablanca and he didn't like it he wouldn't tell anybody he'd say he'd be like Chris Stockwood yeah I agree yeah with Blade Runner I had to have watched it 6 times he still liked it because I mean Citizen Kane Citizen Kane is a very spread out plot it is yeah Citizen Kane is an interesting one because it doesn't say that that film follows rigidly the three act structure I would agree it's actually got a somewhat unconventional yeah no and that movie is excellent everyone see Citizen Kane it's the Citizen Kane of movies it is the Citizen Kane of movies same name I see it as well I like the idea by the way that someone points out oh you know good old fucking Wonder Woman 84 it's got the three act structure so good you know the three act structure oh great I'm so glad it probably does by the way I think it does the inciting incident is when Steve comes back the second act's low point is when I guess Steve has to die again will the inciting incident not be when he becomes a wish stone oh well no because the check up needs to be for Wonder Woman specifically not for him he's so much more of the protagonist than she is I know that he is if it was his story it would be his inciting incident yes because like you remember the part where he gets back to his son realizes that's what matters the most it feels so much more like it's his journey and his arc Wonder Woman just gets in the way yeah go away it's a film where I want the protagonist to go away don't be in this story Wonder Woman I want you to be out of this movie called Wonder Woman I wanna see this guy Wonder Max when that woman in my theater shout it is that it I totally empathize with her and I imagine most of you guys can too ok but what about the people shouting that was fucking amazing what about the people shouting that was it my god that was wow what a big movie yeah what about the super loud fart and the guy that said god I've been holding that in for two hours man you raise an interesting point man who just farted in my ear I like this appeal too you see this woman felt this way I can explain it you're like who is this woman hashtag believe women what about the woman who said she loved it we don't believe her we don't believe her this movie has no form of resolution in the end I genuinely enjoy this movie let me just get that cross I I genuinely enjoy it this movie was bone chilling bone chilling it's my favorite film of the year easily and that is what if he turned around went oh what do you feel about that ending she goes I want more I love this that was amazing I just want more and it's like you mean there's a problem with the ending yes and then she's like no I just want more it doesn't adhere to the three-act structure have you noticed it doesn't adhere to the three-act structure and he's just like what I can just picture someone pouring acid on it be like stop talking hahahaha I just got a bag of acid what are you saying I got a bag of acid I would have gone with pepper spray or something I like acid that's funny that's why funny I didn't get any pepper spray from home so I just made some acid at home someone said well that's a leap as if you've never taken acid to the cinema before hahahaha oh I'm an innocent guy I would never do that hahahaha people talking about the three-act structure man they're so annoying in the cinema love spraying acid in their face just the whole Thanos fight in the Hulk in Infinity War I was watching some guys like is this the inciting incident or has that happened already what do you think well it's funny because get out of my way you have acid for his face so they don't have any acid hahahaha I left my acid at home three-act structure the three-act structure hahahaha nice I genuinely enjoy this movie it's my favourite film of the year easily and that is precisely why I'm so irritated because if Phil Noove had given himself permission to deviate from the source material didn't give himself his whoa calm down the way gave himself permission what if this was his vision man it was his vision I love the idea Phil was in the editing room just saw stuff out the close look walks in, pats him on the back and be like you can give yourself permission to create your own vision he's just like who the fuck are you acid who are you why are you talking like that security security security is not allowed to remove me from the premises this is the inciting incident of my day he wakes up he goes ah the inciting incident break the acid I must now take care to not drop the soap or another inciting incident will occur the plot this movie would have gone from being quite good to one of the best movies ever made oh boy it's good but calm down it's calm down but rags what if we make it a the three-act structure wouldn't it be incredible you don't agree sounds like you agree you think it would be incredible it would beat out lord the rings in a heartbeat if it had the fucking three-act structure move over lord of the rings because lord of the rings has a lord of the rings does have a very rigid three-act structure that's why it won this fight that's why it won all the awards that's why it made all the monies and the famousnesses I can what some of you have already typed in the comments well you're wrong it's part one of a two-path story yes a great number of people were left unsatisfied by the film's end sorry they were what happened one of the problems right now do we need this back to harry potter it's so entertaining how can you make the point without showing harry potter just don't show harry potter what who is this metal guy coming up with these crazy ideas next you'll say that five-act structure is good five-act structure is really good five-act structure probably is pretty good unironically I guess if you want to break it down even further well so I remember I watched a I think it was a podcast that John did where he said like you could basically just keep dividing you can just keep dividing the acts down you could have a 50-act story really or I think the point that might have been made actually is that anything can be you can keep chopping it up into like threes and just see how it works from there it's like that he goes from a high-pitched voice to a slightly different high-pitched voice as a character yeah it's funny oh what are you writing oh yeah I went 12 minutes into gadelp declared that you have completed the perfect really made unsatisfied so it's all fine that's all well and good but pointing out why the floor is in the film there's nothing to erase the fact that it's not a floor we haven't agreed on that dude what is it wow they do the whole it's all subjective also this is a floor you cannot escape I was like I'm sorry what you just made a very bold claim you just asserted it as if it was true you have not done any work to convince me you've done it it's a very bold claim I would never make such a bold claim never storytelling jeez in the it does nothing to change how most people were left just really unsatisfied feeling as if they how did you ask them all we've passed your insight against it can you please get to the details come on you're just asserting that everyone was unsatisfied I'm like I just don't buy that I don't believe it the reception to this movie seems to be pretty positive positive yeah so badly if you're writing a series of books or a season of TV or releasing a series of movies it simply is the best practice to make sure every individual you release has its own satisfying self-contained structure the hunky games don't like the implication then that these things the dune doesn't have that yeah the chief problem with the recent dune movie was where it violated that vial vial the pre-act structure was raped get to pre-act structure please dune has violated our rule relieve fremen get on melting sticks they have to die get all out can you please give us more justification for this position instead of telling us it's the case pretend that we don't automatically agree with everything that you say and you might have to do a little bit of work to convince us of stuff the installment you release has its own satisfying self-contained structure and the chief problem with the recent dune movie was where it violated that tenet now if this were a season of TV this wouldn't really be a problem so all we have to do is wait and tune in again the same time next week oh no you didn't just make us a time sensitive as a rule if it's not long enough it's fine oh god is he actually telling me that if dune came out in a week's time it would be fine wait so in two years from now is this fine if we had production problems with the two towers and it never happened then the fellowship of the ring would become retroactively shit apparently yeah that's probably shit already because he'd consider itself contained by any rule he fucking makes we could argue it's not but because of the movie we aren't going to get that closure for at least two years because it's going to take that long for the next so what about the people who first watched dune in two years from now what about them what about the people who've read the book and it doesn't fucking matter what about the people who were just patient and don't care I'm blown away by this so stupid like you can only break this structure and don't break it with your additional content that comes out soon what it's fucking weird dude man swan to come out if you're adapting between two mediums and you're lucky you don't have to change anything and you're lucky what the fuck advice is that just do it and throw shit at the wall and see what sticks I guess if you're lucky it's good what are we doing what a weird and my heinous you can get over the violated part the drastic sentence I'm violated this world damn them all do not violate the laws of the three act structure I am the law like the first harry potter book it's a relatively short novel with like a nice concise structure that easily lends itself to film a nice concise structure that lends itself to film it's like thank you for explaining how many of that works does the fact that it lends itself well to film does that have anything to do with writing the screenplay for that film was just a piece of piss really because all you had to do was just literally so is harry potter a good film then by his metric it's just a great film I don't know and is the book good I don't know either because it sounds like what he's telling us is that being a loyal adaptation of the harry potter book led to a great film because the book was like film ready whatever that means but exactly what the hell does any of what I just said mean because dune is it's probably a really difficult film to make I don't think you could do a dune movie that is really standard and traditional just because of the way that that book is sort of done now I have a question actually because he's saying loyal adaptations don't work but now you've started an example where you could be loyal and it worked because the book was suited to that format you described it as lucky so that's still not a point then it's not anything what do you mean lucky what does that mean what does luck mean lucky that it's adaptable I don't know what if movies hadn't been invented what now what if you were standing up in an auditorium or something giving this presentation at a university before the film was invented then what because you I don't know like what could you say I guess he called it why loyal adaptations won't work won't work still tried don't even give it a shot no no more I think he's just saying Harry Potter does the three acts right he's not saying it's a good movie just because of it well it sounded like that's what he was saying but isn't the whole point of this video that the fatal flaw for Dune is that it doesn't adhere to the three act structure I thought that was the point yeah and then he's like it is a flaw and explaining why the flaw is there doesn't make it not a flaw it's like ooh okay I said I like to be a little bit more my foundations like to be stronger if I'm gonna call something a definitive flaw then yeah it's not the three act structure it's like mmm okay translate the scene exactly what happened in the novel and cut out maybe a few bits here and there and there you go the screen please of course it's not a loyal adaptation if it's cut out pieces right okay yeah it is it is disloyal it is violated loyalty disloyal violated loyalty it basically writes itself but if you're unlucky as a director you're adapting a book that is simply too big and there is no choice but to walk the source material if you want to make this a lot of movies you don't have to you don't have to yeah could do the tv series movie it's possible for you to make but let me get this straight dividing this book into two movies was a good choice from your move that was a genuinely good choice okay but where did he fail where did he try to do the entire novel in one go and it was simply too much breaking this up was a good it was simply too much that's all we get moving on don't even ask don't even ask just click play what was a mistake however was keeping the same plot and so let me throw my hand at the ring here is my suggestion for what a better plot this is oh here we go you tell us man okay a lot of people have said that this film felt too short and that we needed more time sure we should have gone past the 50% mark and included some of Paul's adventures with the Fremen but after giving it a think I think I appreciate dunes more slow burn style and spray printed out I do appreciate that especially in a theatrical setting I think we needed because there's so much world to explain I feel like we're going to be fine as soon as dune 2 comes out and we'll look back and be like well why don't we have this criticism for every like first in trilogies or duologies or duologies they would have the same problem right or at least could do that was actually too here's my suggestion right what the movie should have done was cut out the entire last 40% of the movie where you know Paul his mother run away instead saving that for the sequel and frame the harkening attack not as the midpoint but as the climax of the movie so you're saying it's extended even more so what would be the answer why would that have been better so we're moving we're cutting out everything post that but we're cutting out the last yeah that'll be the end of the movie alright I mean so the problem here is that we're in such vagaries that I guess you could make any ideas or ideas right what I'm saying with that is like if I go let's change it so that the whole movie is just about the spice mining we don't even get that big battle it's like is that impossible to be good well no but it's hard to say yeah how does it match up to your seemingly arbitrary list of rules that's determined are the correct rules to use that will be how we try and judge this I guess it's how does it match with his triac structure I don't know haven't gone close far enough there isn't enough content really to support a sense of rising action here from there so we'll have to take some creative liberties what I think is the best is because the Duke is such an important character throughout this section of the book it makes sense not for just Paul to be the protagonist but for both Paul and his dad he's your protagonist Lito is a pretty prominent in this movie he's very important he's very likable and yeah it's tragic to see him die you like him a lot he's a good guy yeah he's a good dude have their own separate plots so firstly with the whole beginning on Caledon you know the fight with Gurney, the ceremony the heart tight with Paul and his dad their every mother scene like all of that is just perfection but keep it all exactly as we got perfection but when they arrive on Arrakis this is where things really start to diverge we're about half an hour into the movie here so we're long overdue for an inciting incident so as the oh my god are we what are the rules what university like she told you oh no we're at the 20% point there so we are well overdue we're nearly twice overdue so what did the chassid Filmento approve this like dude Filmento if he's in the coal with him when he said we're long overdue for an inciting incident Filmento would be like yes very true yes this is like rule 78 for V everyone knows that's rule yeah yeah these arrive on Arrakis something terrible has to happen because there isn't really a good enough inciting incident here in the book we'll have to make something up what we'll have to make something up an inciting incident doesn't have to be exciting or action packed it can be subtle it can be just two characters talking imagine you're in the boardroom with him like figuring out the fucking screenplay and he's like there's nothing good in the book we have someone blow up like what just have to make something up ah it's interesting to hear why he thinks it's going to work in the book but it doesn't work on the movie then like what's the why doesn't it work why doesn't it work in the book as it is but we need to change it for the movies all you'd have to say is that just the different mediums and not have to explain further ok then Gurley says he'll station men around the shield generator because if he were attacking this place that would be his first target and then not one minute later we get a payoff for that the fremen attack the city the shield generator failing at the perfectly wrong moment they're targeting the spice refineries this of course makes sense because the fremen have been hammered brutally by the Harkinans they're so they're preemptively striking assuming that the atreides are just as bad as them it's not really favourable to the fremen is it we're going to not like them quite a significant bit at that point and that just completely changes the whole thing where the Stilgar or Stilgar Stilgar like that completely destroys the whole scene when he comes to you can't have that scene at that point you can't have that scene where they go like ok that's honourable we're kind of cool I guess like we have to change that whole scene like that changes a lot when the fremen attack our protagonists like jeez just to have the fremen decide we're going to attack whoever arrives here it's not very I don't feel like the fremen would do that because they know they have like all these resources because they are sent from the empire and everything make a lot of sense when you've sent Duncan to meet them and to try and like parlay yeah and that because if we still have that we need them to we probably have to get the fremen to have them captured or jailed or whatever or even killed because if he just chills out with them for four weeks and is like oh yeah they're cool I respect them they just attack the city it's like really check out this has ripple effects for the whole story yeah so we have a fight sequence as the trailer of course we gotta get that this is feels like common audience brain rot like ugh give me away the fremen attackers pool gets into the thick of it repelling the raid when he comes face to face with Zendaya and he gets all flustered and stops fighting because she's the woman I don't know is it Zendaya or Zendaya I don't know I thought it was Zendaya I was just curious I didn't I've never heard it that pronounced that way before from his dreams he didn't think she was real what's going on and he gets all confused by her and because he gets all confused he nearly gets killed because he's not minding his surroundings once the fight is over we show how for every day like five atreides men so I guess the problem here is this is kind of funny to think about given the whole point of the inciting incident in terms of the role that it plays generally the idea is that it's meant to like so if we had that dude we're changing the story like very dramatic like if the inciting incident is supposed to be them getting attacked by the bad guys and the inciting incident is instead that Paul nearly dies in an ambush by the Freeman it's like dude this is like pretty radically different because I would expect in that case that the the story is now going to revolve around a conflict with the Freeman rather than what it's supposed to be which is that they were attacked by an outside force and then they link up with the Freeman to take to fight back this is just a different story at this point yeah well I'm pretty sure Dune 2 is going to rely on the fremen being relatively neutral in the first one yeah because of things that are going to roll out the idea that they openly just fucking wipe out the atreides house as soon as they land it changes way too much what's going on and he gets all confused by her and because he gets all confused he nearly gets killed because he's not minding his surroundings once the fight is over we show how for every dead fremen like five atreides men were lost and the spice refineries as well have just been critically damaged things are looking very well now it's getting confusing because we're like what was the Harkid and Sabotage Sabotage what fucked everything up or was it the Fremen attack afterwards Gurney inspects the shield generator and finds out that it was Sabotage confirming the terrible truth that someone within the Duke's inner circle is a traitor this is where the plot for the Duke really starts to ramp up as he's hunting down this traitor within his midst trying to find them or it's too late in the sort of murder mystery style story but soon after this we get I feel bad for just like when someone says like let me fix your shoe and they come back with a table you're like is that the table you're going to fix my shoe on oh you no 500 bucks please get that whole scene where the dj can pull go out to inspect this spice trawler as the worm attacks and when you actually think about it plot wise this very scene the movie doesn't actually have any payoff in terms of plot so we're going to actually change that in sort of what so the payoff this has it hold the fuck man the payoff that this has is that it confirms that they've been sabotaged by the people who were there before them and their arbitrator doesn't do anything about it do anything about it which actually really it's really important actually also does a lot for let us character as well absolutely like this you see the effect that spice has on him and you see what the sand whims do exactly this is his favorite movie of the year what did he like about it he's just a sand aficionado really he's the anti-anican man i want to say it right now hotag i think this plot suggest is pretty fucking shit how did he say that when he's made the video meaning he probably watched the movie twice right right i hope so he doesn't have anything actually for the plot so we're going to actually change that i think he's not allowed to use the word actually ever again we have to ban it from him actually is another one of those words you start noticing how often you say you try and cut it down i harped on that word before someone had said yeah someone had said actually when what they it's like saying actually this ice was pretty cold it's like no no not actually you expect ice to be cold and you know that if you ban them from using that word they'll start using literally or legitimately or i think the problem is actually has become an emphasis word for a lot of people but it's used inappropriately because actually should be describing something you know it is one thing but it is in reality the other thing as opposed to just saying actually because you want a bigger word in there to buff out your sentence it is definitely a filler word that a lot of people use right and all this all of these miners and workers are rushing on to the shit all in the chaos and runs away seeking out the fremen on his own why why he runs away from his family just because he was like into the desert and then gets eaten by the worm because he's not doing the foot thing and now find him because i have ships and it's a desert why is this the plot line now is he arguing he would do that because he saw Zendaya fucking earlier and that's like i gotta find her i love her like what is the reasoning here i just want to listen to that again because i'm lost here these miners and workers are rushing on to the ship pool in the chaos puts on a still suit and runs away seeking out the fremen on his own like a pool obsessed with seeing the girl from his vision it is it is just because he wants that pussy what the fuck bad as his whole family okay no oh my god it's just getting worse and also wishing to soothe the relationship between his house and local family okay goes into the desert against his father's wishes showing a nice degree of agency okay degree of agency and fucking idiocracy in this instance yeah idiocy is what i was talking about sorry i i i love that the idea because like i as we talked about i do like that scene the um the whole sand thingy rescue just a couple of issues out of it um the idea that he's just like now is my chance to just run away you're like i'd be like what the fuck is going on oh uh through the desert he eventually finds still guard and you know that whole scene we got in the uh the end of the movie with a knife fight well we bring it way forward and have it here you know Paul kills his first man and things are extremely tense the fremen truly dude i'd be so lost if this was the story we're like what the fuck are we doing now why did we change why did we change this to that you know hate pool and his family because of course they hate them like of course they hate off-worlders they've been subjugated by them for decades but no that doesn't quite line up does it we hate off-wilders just all of them no matter who it's like hocking in atreides doesn't matter we hate you all because you only come here and be mean when it's like that's clearly not the case i don't think that makes the fremen look good if they only like anybody who's alien they hate it's like oh that's bigotry my dude yeah and if they are then they are it's i mean i guess it's fine if they are i don't think they would be the how they're portrayed in the movie they seem pretty intelligent and like reasonable we turn them into like the savages who hate anybody who doesn't look like them it's like oh fuck it sucks that's kind of boring and lame but i guess you can make that change if you wanna Paul shows signs that he's you know the chosen one and he comes in peace so reluctantly extremely reluctantly they give him a chance then the big midpoint twist it gets real that the harkinons are amassing a fleet above the planet intending on attacking and tensions are rising and then the fleet comes down they're moving towards the planet and the duke orders the alarm his men all go on alert and all of their anti-aircraft weapons get brought online that's when the power goes out just at the perfectly wrong moment and their entire defense grid goes offline there's a tense moment where they're rushing to bring the grid back online as the harkinons swoop down ready to attack when they finally reactivate the turrets just in time and so the harkinons break off their attack before any shots can be fired again they inspect the tech and realize that this could only have been sabotage from within then we have a call between the doctor and the baron what? he already said that they figured out it's been sabotaged how did they not stop everything been happening with this plotline i'm if they knew there was a sabotage person and they sabotaged it earlier then why wouldn't they have set up by now systems to prevent people from sabotaging that's what i mean yeah i guess they just didn't do that in this plotline what are you doing at least re-read your own plotline you just made up it's very frustrating there's not much else to say because he's just summarizing how the event goes in the film he's just moved it now to like the third act yeah moved it and made it worse yeah that's move on i guess yeah i was given opportunity for any green or doggos to i got nothing i was admiring the makeup on him i guess play this i'll call him a dingus and do it on the baron or yeah i was just like i got the baron says the spacing guild is extorting him for this unscheduled holdup and their price is rising every hour we reveal that the doctor is the traitor he's the one who's been sabotaged i like how he says this as if we know who that is like at this point in his version i don't even know do we and the baron assures him that his wife is going through every imaginable horror as they speak as punishment for the tragedy still standing the movie doesn't really do a very good job at setting this but here we set up in this scene that the doctor's wife is held hostage and that is why he's a traitor the movie does that that's exactly what the movie does the movie took care of that it just didn't give us any more information he didn't give us more he just moved it to another place and it's still not enough instead of simply saying that the wife will be captured and tortured i'm going to have her be a hostage i can't say what improved the plot it just used the same thing that happened in the actual plot no this is better his version is better fremen in earning their trust he's doing a good job at convincing the fremen that they shouldn't just not be enemies but be allies with his house and after him doing a lot of work to generate goodwill they invite him on a raid to prove his quality there's a band of smugglers illegally harvesting spice from their land and they're going they're smugglers that is illegal besides the fremen don't fucking care if you're illegally doing it they fucking hate you anyway they're just smuggling spice fremen just wanted to chill in their sitios it was long so we have this whole totally made up fight where pool joins the fremen attacking these smugglers meanwhile the juke is hunting the traitor to no avail he gets very close to finding out it's the doctor who did it but fuck now how much is this just deviated from the book too i wonder at this point very different adaptation argument is its own thing but there is an aspect of why do dune well because i think it's relevant for us to mention that because like he said you know we need to make a few changes where the book can't handle it it's like how far away have we gotten at this point by the skin of his the doctor hides the evidence and he he doesn't get found out so then pool comes back home and is still gone i thought they already do i'm so confused all right let's go with the flow at this point fremen lead there's an emotional reunion where pool and the juke by the way no fucking clue on how long any of his scenes are how well paced they all are how they don't really fit and we just sort of just like yeah sure thumbs up all right brace and now we have that whole scene where the juke and still go first oh there you go we moved to this point okay fixed when he spits on the table and everyone gets worked up there's a real tension here now because we know the relations between these two factions are at stake and there's a lot of hate between these two there was tension in the real one yeah real movie and then they explained it and you're like oh that makes sense mm-hmm still got killed a ton of his men and like ruined his refinery and still there is piss because he's an off-worlder who only wants money and things get really tense and build up and the scene ends in disaster still got a smidge conflicted as he looks at pool insists that while he won't attack the atreides anymore he wants nothing to do with them the he'll leave the juke alone the juke will leave him alone but that's it no alliance and pool gets upset because he thought he'd convince still got to be allies with him and unable to look pool in the eye obvious shame about him still got storms away now we're easing towards the climax and we have a really tense scene where the doctor comes up and offers the juke medicine to help him sleep it's kind of dramatic irony because we know he's the traitor we know these pills are definitely more insidious than just regular sleeping pills but the juke is upping and airing but we learn about the pills moments kind of later in the movie so I get why why bother with this tiny difference you know I mean at this point I'm just waiting for him to finish because all he needs to do now is just repeat the third act or his third act from the films like midpoint ish and then I guess we can end the video because we're pretty much done at that point but the doctor's persistent saying take them take them take them and he's like nah I'll pass and the juke says no but alas then he offers them to pool and pool accepts them gladly and then we really build up the tension as we see the harkening sneaking into attack positions while pool is teasing around with the pill like rolling it between his thumb and forefinger that's when he takes it and slams a glass of water and the audience is like no pool what have you done what is this what are you doing what are you doing this was perfectly fine in the film he sets the stuff he sets the pills down there's just a very short lingering shot to show the pills that maybe imply something and then later we learned oh those weren't just pills did any of my laughter even come through the discord I don't even know I heard I heard some laughing you and I we have different reactions to these things that's fine I was just wondering I don't know what the score is it is pretty funny what have you done no pool oh god slams a glass of water and the audience is like no pool what have you done what have you done I'm getting excited I'm getting excited I'm getting excited I just get excited when I'm fixing other people's work that's just me I'm making it worse man that's off and he could have cut it but he didn't just after he takes the pill the attack comes the climax has arrived here we really flesh things out really beef this up to make it feel like a climax here as we have all of these grand fights between the Atreides and the Harkins the Duke gets hit with a dart just like he does in the film and Paul slips on his gear throwing himself to the Trades I think I'm very dumb with this video feels at this point I'm just listening to somebody talk about how they want to write their own shit yeah I just don't know how this is better his vision is all blurry and he's stumbling around he figures out now that the doctor is the traitor Paul tries to beat the Sardarkar but then the drug just gets the better of him and he quickly falls unconscious we show them how the Sardarkar have him captured wait how is Paul ever going to be able to beat them anyway I guess it's okay what was wrong with how it was done before I don't know there wasn't a tear to the three-act structure the Atreides are getting massacred meanwhile the doctor speaks to the paralyzed Duke saying that the Baron has my wife he thinks that I don't know he killed her the doctor reveals that he knows his wife is dead and secretly this is all a scheme from him to get a chance to kill the Baron I don't think it makes sense that if he thinks his wife is dead and there's no hope of getting her that he would sacrifice all of House Atreides he wouldn't do that yeah I don't feel like that makes much sense getting close to him he clearly reluctantly does this I mean he puts the poison in Lido's mouth and says yeah I want you to kill that bastard I only went along with this to save my wife yeah I thought that's what the movie was doing but I guess he's saying in his version the doctor this has all been just to kill the Duke which is like nah which is less interesting I think and from here things are just getting worse you know we see Gurney along with his men getting absolutely ruined they're dying left right and centre then we have a moment left right and centre left right and centre we delivered that was particularly cringe absolutely ruined they're dying left right and centre then we have a moment where Paul's mum comes out and he sees them dragging away his body and she uses her fancy fighting skills the skills she has and she kills the attackers arses and she's absolutely ruining them he just says she kills their arses but he talks so posh for so long and then he's like kills their arses yeah the centre but then the soldier holds a blade the unconscious Paul blade so then with no choice she surrenders letting them take her and it's all seems lost right oh it's all very sad Paul and his mother are being taken away the Duke is being handed as well over to the Harkelins and it all seems very sad oh no it's going to be very sad ending that's when Stilgar arrives with a Fremann at his back and they lay waste to the Harkelins with laze guns and bad arsary this would feel a lot like a hand solo coming back at the end of a new hope Stilgar comes back around just end already I'm so tired I want this shit to be over I'm glad we got the movie we got I'm I'll hug Dune as it exists and avoid whatever this is house atreides as allies while the Fremann don't defeat the Harkelins they do save Gurney's life and by time for the surviving atreides troops to escape after the battle fizzles out why were those guys dying on the side there what did you see that hold on while the Fremann don't defeat the Harkelins they do save Gurney's life and by time for the why are their suits going red and they're falling down yes could it be shrapnel from the explosions sorry yeah but they would move too fast right yeah are they getting guarded from something they're shocked scared by the explosion scared yeah can a shield can't block fear right I don't think so maybe one day though the surviving atreides troops to escape are they dying or just getting knocked down but if it's red that means it's penetrated penetrated the shield could it be the shock wave that's knocked them down and it just maybe the shield recognizes it but it can't stop it I don't know it recognizes it can't stop it that just yeah we'll let that one sit you know we don't need to go back moving over all of these corpses he orders Paul and his mother to be taken into the desert left for dead so when the Benny Jezera questioned him he can say that he didn't kill them truthfully but that's because the desert did and the Baron then kills the doctor I don't like the whole like I didn't kill him I don't either yeah alright it's like I didn't like you shoot someone because you know it was the bullet left I killed the acid but I stabbed him I didn't do it it was the piece of metal that just so happened to be in my hand that just so happened to go into them yeah you think that there was a level of you know his whole house is dead and soon the world will be mine oh god how long, how long, one, two minutes alright yeah we're close there's gonna be a minute of ad in Patreon credits who is the ad, is it Noom or Skillshare or Audible we might see more Noom as time goes on from what I've heard oh no you shoot for Noom we didn't learn our lesson from the Baron is the other one just having a very happy time he's just having the time of his life and cutting back and forth between these two scenes you know you've got the Duke gloating and then Paul and his mum being taken on the orythopter about to die cutting back and forth between them and the Duke then bites his tooth killing seemingly everyone in the room and then Paul and his mother overwhelm their captors and escape using the voice we begin our denouement as we have the Baron barely sitting there you know he literally gets a bono when he says denouement just to say denouement I don't even know what that is fucking storytelling to him that refers to like the aftermath or something is it the satisfaction climate it's after, it's between the ending I think it's like the resolution of the climax I think is when it starts to go back down again and we kind of get a resolution sort of thing okay survive the gas and Paul meet up with the Fremen in Duncan Idaho accepted with open arms the Baron recovering is asked what to do about the Fremen when he says kill them all and as the final shot of the movie with them walking through the desert Zendaya says to Paul this is only the beginning and then the credits roll there you go there you go what I didn't fucking ask you then jeez longest answer ever that rewrite fixes a lot of the pacing issues at the film catalog I'm glad we got what we got we haven't fixed you've made it a totally different thing not strained too far from the book not strained too far from the book you strained far from the fucking movie you said it was too loyal let's just make something up here the best but it's honestly a shame that so much content from the novel had to be cut out but then again it was for oh fuck oh god end the video I beg you even in the version we got so many tidbits of world building and moments of character development were sadly cut for time if you enjoy june but you're craving something more you want to spend more time in this world as well as see all of the you can hear the transition in his voice to add mode get the book on audible if you want to give me money and if you want to learn more about writing 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sweating he's like but do it through my link though hahahaha 100 500 and grab dune on audible today anyway thanks for watching and I'll see you guys next time on the closer look oh my god he has a thumbnail that says why failure is good hahahaha he'd know I just like that as a statement did he pitch his dune uh script and it you know his shit and so he's like actually failure is good you're gonna say thanks and chat you're welcome alright we learn something new every day like I've got 20 days of audio audiobook listening ohhh I think that was really tough to get through because more than half of it was him sharing his fanfic with us yeah it's like why must you pain me hahahaha I think this will make it better it's different it's just a different story he's like how to fix it better but I don't know oh that's right put another dune with me hahahaha hahahaha oh boy oh boy oh boy remember kids three act structure it's pretty good but if your story isn't three act structure that doesn't mean it's bad don't write it off you probably agree with you that would be like except when it's real bad hahahaha you're unlucky with your adaptation I'm like dude enough hahahaha what are you saying the 12% point you're supposed to have your inciting incident and then you get a calculator so the number of pages in your book versus the number of pages to the inciting incident 14% imagine like we reviewed his story I'm afraid your story fails even applying to the three act structure no I created it to do that no it took you 30 minutes to get to your inciting incident when it should be 12% of your movie length you have failed you just be like it's close no sir it's not close enough I failed man oh man that was a video yeah it was it was one of them just just just there are ones that are much more engaging that are bad that one was just like I said most of that was listening to him pitch and it was like star which just feels a little bit self indulgent isn't it yeah like that was the reason he made the video to showcase like your ideas yeah they weren't even good go ahead just make a video of how you pitch your idea and not say some bullshit claim like he shrouded it other kinds of things I don't know how much I like it when you are leveraging not only the book but also the film to like pitch this idea you've got a lot of the material already here you're just changing it and then like taking a lot of because a lot of because people probably looked at that like that was pretty good and a lot of why that would be is because they're projecting their positive reaction to the film onto his ideas but like if they were just his ideas in a vacuum there wouldn't be anything there because it's just ideas it's not like it's not really anything it's a little sneaky but I don't know if I doubt he did that on purpose it's just kind of the consequence of fixing something that already exists yeah well I don't I'm kind of glad that's over there was a lot to discuss in there I wish it was more of just his stupid fucking ideas instead of his stupid fucking dune ideas because that fanfic was just worthless and everything I don't know what to do with it yeah it's like okay that sounds really bad but at least you're dumb ideas before that at least there were things to discuss in there like we can discuss how stupid and arbitrary they were and we could give examples and explain why so stupid shit the end of phase two of the poop gas the end of act two that was the climax well we're at our low point right we are at our low point we're all wondering what is it all for why do we bother yeah I'm gonna use the loo real quick and I will be right back in that case I guess we'll have to discuss some some other stuff alright how about that how about that dune yeah yeah no it's I'm looking forward to the second one a lot of sand a lot of sand I think people will probably be curious like what are your thoughts on Hawkeye not seeing any of it I'm not seeing episode one so I don't really I'm probably gonna wait until it's all out I meant to watch it this week but then work actually got busy which I was very upset about because I hate that because work sucks I think I'm not sure if I mentioned it here because I don't think so because I think all I have is a take on Hawkeye based on episode one is it was fine until the plot started and then it got bad and then we'll have to see I guess whether or not it improves or deteriorates from there but like up until the whole Kate sneaks into the auction thing and all everything that lines up perfectly for this series of events to happen to bring Hawkeye into the mix like that's pretty disastrous in terms of coincidences but up until that point it was just fine like that's it I just I agree with Jay's tweet I think well I don't know if this maybe I'm paraphrasing but like Hawkeye and Eternals they have signified to me that I really have lost my investment in the MCU I think I am back are you guys talking about how Spider-Man is the last thing you even care about remotely really I care about Dr. Strange and Guardian and Thor so there is stuff it's just not here yet we've had a year of because Black Widow was really pretty painful Shang-Chi and Eternals was like you know and then I guess characters who we had some investment in like Wonder there was significant damage dealt there I wasn't super invested in Falcon and Winter Soldier I think but the investment I had was seriously damaged with the investment I had they could have gone from me being like mm-hmm to oh god yeah they were favorites you know yeah they absolutely could have but they screwed it up and Loki was pretty much catastrophic from the very beginning yeah Loki makes it so that we shouldn't care about anything in the MCU yeah and now I guess we're going to see the consequences of that in No Way Home and Multiverse and Madness and I guess everything else is coming out too I get super worried about Multiverse and Madness in particular yeah Spider-Man might deal some significant damage to Doctor Strange and Spider-Man potentially Spider-Man too yeah and of course we'll need to see where they go from here in the future with these characters but I mean if the leaks and rumors regarding Multiverse and Madness is to be believed man that film seems like it's going to be a mess a mess of just references and cameos to other like existing like Marvel movies yeah hopefully Thor will be fun little adventure and then what's after Black Panther 2 I think is the one after that I wonder I do wonder about that one though because that film is like halted production like half way and I don't know hmm interesting and then Moon Knight that could be cool it depends on the trailer for that one it's a matter of just let's see what my brain does execute on that idea please I guess then She-Hulk it's like maybe we can do something with Hulk for once like we haven't really done anything with him for a while maybe she'll be looking interesting character and then this Marvel yeah and Secret Invasion that gets me worried I wonder what retroactive stuff they're going to do who they're going to reveal is always a scroll all along Iron Man and whore probably not but fuck no but it might be somewhat important yeah then there's Arcane everyone keeps talking about it we should watch it we'll go mean free we'll inspect it at some point alright we'll we'll give it the old scrub baroony I want to watch it at some point as well I just don't have the gusto if you will to watch it right now I'm not super we're halfway through a different TV show right now so yeah but I want to watch the session that's the show that I hear a lot of good stuff about the what now succession it's like I think it's HBO I know it's got the guy who was in one of the guys who was in the big short hmm so yeah trying to think of anything else people probably want us to know what we think about but I think those are main stuff right I think it next time it comes out it's probably Spider-Man right it'll be Spider-Man I'm actually going to be watching that in the in the cinema as well because I want to be I got my tickets already I can't play tickets yet wait that's not going to line up to be episode one six six is it it may well it's two weeks from now is is uh when it's that's yeah my at least it's out at the 16th apparently yeah it comes out I think it comes out on the so it is it is not this week it is the week afterwards so there will be an EFAP this coming week that will be the week before Spider-Man so yeah two episodes from now it's the one though we'll have to figure out something for that I'm not sure how we're going to make that work yeah don't worry chat it all makes sense to you at some point we can uh we can figure it out well we'll talk about it I'm trying to figure out a naming convention for that that will make this make sense continuity wise um I mean I guess that one would be one six seven right if next week is this was one six four this week right am I yes or the next one will be one six five so you just need to uh yeah and then and then that could be one six seven unless we skip next week I'm very lost almost what are you saying right now if you need it to time I wait we should talk about it off stream I don't want to spoil anything very well uh but yes um we'll be doing uh Spider-Man a couple days after it releases in everywhere basically I believe myself bringing Jay and rags of all booked so we'll have at least us for if metal um gets to watch it by then you probably join us we'll probably have a big cast for that one yeah I'm just waiting for the tickets to be available that's not available here um really yeah a friend of mine said they're gonna go online like at the 12th hmm in my in my place where it normally go that they they don't have any you might end up not being able to see it before the evap I guess I mean I'm checking like every day because I'm probably gonna watch it late anyways so I hope I get to see it Friday at the latest I hope I've got pretty early one um so I'm good because I want to try and avoid uh people information yeah spoilers and takes they're gonna be getting tossed out there because not even if I'm not joining you guys on the e-fair but probably people are gonna be asking me about but now I just this is definitely a cultural yeah yeah for sure I think it's already projected that it's going to be making like as much money I'm pretty sure that the projection at this point is like 600 million domestic that's huge that's like that's like infinity war numbers yeah it's crazy yeah uh and and then you compare it to the other Marvel movies this year it's like man more like it's gonna make more money in America that it's gonna uh make like then the other movies made overall but yeah I'll let you know I'm happy to join you guys if you have some space left uh for arcane or no for Spooderman gosh why would you bait him like that right cruel I mean I'd watch arcane so anyway check it started on reading some of these which by the way I'm not sure how much longer I have so this could cut off at any moment um but there will be a Saturday where we're releasing a full efap live uh that's already done when that's happening we're likely going to just record an offline catch up hmm um we'll definitely we're not gonna be going backwards with our catch up okay everyone forwards gonna be wonderful anyway uh number one Mary everybody Fringy fix your icon please I'm working on it all right I'm doing it right now I don't have one from last year you have you in a parka well oh that was two years ago that was two years ago I like it wasn't relevant like oh it was not from one year ago so I know they don't expire but I want some novelty here so I'm gonna give you some suggestions chat there's snowmen there's like elves gingerbread man I like that I already like that one I wonder what that's gonna look like though because I have to be totally flat um I stole DK's giant banana oh good man nasty oh I have I have goodies uh let me see put these in here I have Ewan goodies one moment oh grinch art style that's a bit of a challenge but we go with a shot oh check this out a penguin just randomly a penguin so you're all doing our thing in Dune oh that's awesome we got our we got our Baywind Dune picture and it is very neat oh I like that a lot metal is our moisture provider I think as well moisture yeah unlimited moisture official moisture provider that's little bottles that's the same metal tears yeah that's like that's canon now that's awesome I love it yeah it's really cool it's just called long long I like that that's really neat excellent work beautiful it's getting save a rune there we go hi rags hello happy Christmas time best holidays since sliced bread hi frang hi mumble hi mootle oh it was the best holiday way before sliced bread except one of those like Bacchanalian orgy holidays good yes uh why are we talking about Dune Spundo is coming I like the Spundo man is basically taken over now Spundo I just can't not say Spundo man Spundo man fjunden melwood translate that but we don't want to get banned yeah I can't I can't say that on life that's do that all the slurs so this is one and then a skull image mohler's stand is named symphony number nine in D minor OP 125 aka choral its ability is gravity zone creation uh that's a jojo reference is it is that just like is is it or is it just weird shit that doesn't make sense so you can just say oh that's a jojo reference with its hands it can create the same thing really with all gravity is intensified land people objects and animals are affected its range is five meters okay and they've got one for you as well rags um oh my goodness stand is named country roads its ability clinging motion it allows rags to move on any surface regardless of the shape without falling off due to gravity and inertia weak to bronchitis that was good don't get bronchitis rags I don't want to get bronchitis I talk for a living he got bronchitis bronchitis remember that meme that's getting to the age where a lot of people might not remember that meme we're all old now rags ancient memos uh halo rappers gonna be enjoying this efap for the next four hours at work let's go I guess they've already headed home now we're uh almost five and a half noise noise super chat number four telling efap to play deep rock galactic good shit I did pick it up because of the alpha good yes deep rock galactic is insanely good very very very good stuff highly recommend um oi moly fringoyza I'm only six three and my mask is disposable how do I find the courage to get past the first robot in soma right no don't stop it I mean if you play it I don't even know what that yeah I don't even know what he means by that either thinking of playing it this year for me I would definitely play it uh wait this year oh wait this year is nearly done he almost got it fuck sneaky yeah there's me asking to play a game with it a month yeah that's sneaky it is sneaky chat shame him use the little bell wow wow you're just gonna encourage public shaming jeez hell yeah if you haven't played soma some people should be shamed publicly like fringy if I'm not playing soma yeah some people should be shamed wow this is unbelievable unbelievable I can believe it I'm doing a dune review coming soon it's mostly recorded new hiccups in terms of editing any advance sorry advice in terms of getting footage or programs I should use or should I just get an editor jeez no you should learn to edit so learning how to edit it is it's actually like easy it's not complicated to edit because probably about like 90 percent of the stuff that you do is gonna be like five things and you don't have to make complicated editing to make a good looking video so it's definitely something that you should learn to do you shouldn't start off by just going oh I'll just pay someone to edit my videos editing your videos is a way to put your own style into your work it's an extra dimension of how can I make this video mine yeah it's a good new skill we want to encourage people to learn new skills even realize errors maybe in things you did or you recorded it's like oh that doesn't sound really good I might want to record that sentence or whatever whereas an editor is just like yeah I'm just gonna edit I don't really care what's happening in this video I'll also go as far as saying learning how to edit is better than ever right now because it's gonna be more videos to tutorialize yeah than ever as for um there's a little bits and bobs just google's we're gonna be a friend with a lot of this footage you can get a shit ton from youtube it's really great a lot from youtube for yeah footage youtube will have a crap load of clips and bite sized chunks there are other places on the internet to obtain other copies not that I know what they are but I've heard there are rumors you know but yeah you have a lot of options at your disposal and I use Sony Vegas but I've heard great and terrible things about all of them so pick which one you like it'll probably be a ok yeah premiere is pretty good so um I used to use it back to Vegas again I started on windows movie maker so yeah I said it I not for long though don't use it though it's shit pretty sure it got worse like when they updated they removed features really but it didn't have any to begin with so when they take away the most basic features I can cut things here and there and that's it like early 2000s I was using movie maker and I remember there was the new one came out and I was like where the fuck are my buttons it's like don't have them anymore removed a bunch of stuff they don't want to confuse you with all those scary buttons options, terrifying do things windows always knows better than you yeah you don't want to dislike button you need admin rights to delete this folder but I'm the only one using this pc there's no other users yeah but you know how to do this liar liar so many funny lines involving lines betrayed me betrayed me having not read the book I found this movie to be very average and a little confusing but shrugged it off thinking there was context I was missing I think you'll have a better handle on what you think of dune 1 with dune 2 but you know you can still judge it as is watch dune 3 times and never got bored the seal of approval fringy stand is holy home it's ability, disease carry using his stands mask it gives fringy immunity to most diseases and allows him to hammer space hammer space all bacteria to be used whenever boy what is this law I have no idea what it means to hammer space all bacteria but that's what you do fringy that's what somebody claims but I I'm familiar to me I refuse to accept that that's what I do damn straight my parents got Disney plus so I started watching the MCU finally holy cow phase 3 started out awesome I loved the car scene in sputum and so much it's one of the best MCU scenes good stuff Michael Keaton man he fucking needs to be taking advantage of his great actor he's very great look he's gonna be Batman again that'll be an advantage it's just such a funny reality we live in you told me like oh yeah when I first watch Batman Returns you'd be like so don't worry in 2022 whatever the flash movie will come out you'll see it again I'd be like what what what do you say that again because nostalgia will be fucking it's to hallowed back the thing about nostalgia it always has been milkable but like it feels that we're in a different era we're in a new era feels weird man do you expect accept Wonder Woman but 1984 as a Christmas movie was that a Christmas movie did Christmas happen to that movie I know it snowed at one point but I don't I can't remember at the end yes at the end it's a Christmas at the end I don't know it came out new years it came out at the end I think it came out on Christmas day actually rags I'm so sorry you know what take one for the tea it happens Maxwell's Bloodborne review Kill God's doll waifu simulator is pure LSD good rat also get DJ peach cobbler on also high rags I have not seen the video I don't know that person as a creator but maybe maybe at some point who knows Lord Longbone of Mewbschlington Abbey have you given any more thought to a kong fap of Peter Jackson's long kong when there's less going on it's a movie fap for the ages who are wags these scritches for the good boy oh hello um yeah at some point for sure I'll be happy to watch kong fap with these lads and we can comment on what kong fap did compared to other kong other kongs we haven't watched kong vs godzilla yet that's kind of crazy none of us foreseen that right no I haven't seen it kong and godzilla slapping no I've not seen that we will do it eventually it'll happen at some point we'll all have unlimited time forever and then we'll do it unlimited time yeah time um not gonna lie I was so confused why do y'all have Christmas icons it's June then I realized no it's December what year is it oh I'm so sorry dude I hope you get that issue sorted I mean it's alright just rely on us to our icons just to tell what month it is we'll try and change them every month the match alright we'll do it I'm not sure what sort of theme we'll go for but I'm sure we'll figure it out yeah we could do like summer or winter like the seasons maybe that's gonna be difficult though cause mine would just be the opposite of yours at all times years will be well that's just world building you might think it's an unusual detail like oh yeah this just checks out um apparently thought got to see a screening of no way home he basically summarized it as you're in for an oof seasons greetings rags hi who did thought theater mm-hmm why sorry screen I heard that press screenings haven't started yet for that film oh I saw some tweets just in general that press screenings happened okay I thought that was starting like cause I think the movie premieres in a week and that's when I heard that they were starting no I saw yeah I saw tweets as well about press screenings I think okay alright that's what I heard anyway the film is more than prepped to be an oof so we'll see yeah they could be a big oof for sure any plans on moola to update some of the playlists soon gotten a bit behind on movies and battleman season 2 uh thanks for everything hello of peace uh yeah I'll update the playlists soon moola is pretty much up to date now as well in terms of like there's some stuff ready to come out but it's mostly up there there's a lot of stuff that's recorded and just not edited yet um after we had a bit of a crunch with October uh with getting those resident evil ones done and uh things just slowed down a little bit but there's other stuff going on which is which is why uh or you try and make some sense of that when we close out today in terms of what you can expect because I would have preferred to tell everybody to make sure to watch dune before this one but I was like I think I don't know if there's most people that's seen it who wanted to see it right it's been a while I don't know as far as yeah I would hope so I'll be right back but um I do have some stuff coming up hmm happy holidays toxic brood have you guys considered doing an EFAP mini or other type of video in future regarding Netflix's adaptation of Cowboy Bebop hope you're all cozy this December hi um I guess I hadn't considered it um it doesn't sound like shockingly unreasonable I've just heard nothing but horrific things about it I think everyone fucking hates it if we didn't see the original before seeing the Netflix one I have seen the original um I haven't and so there's so much that all of us would have to watch to be able to have the capacity for that one and I would just sometimes I'm just like we might not be the ones for that one you probably got a lot of people covering that one so you should be okay uh I know a lot of youtubers within our sphere are planning youtube videos for it and I know a couple people have done some streams uh but I am so unfamiliar with that content and uh to get familiar with it would take some time we've got a whole bunch of other things we've got to get done too because we might be covering Hawkeye I'm not even sure yet we'll have to see what they do and then obviously we're doing it especially like uh what they do to um uh kingpin and of course uh for all I know I could watch like a couple of episodes of arcane and then be like oh we gotta talk about this you know that sort of thing I don't know what's gonna happen I don't know myself I mean I I'm happy to watch it I I hear consistently really good things about it and it certainly looks interesting visually so I'm not sure that I've seen something more praised in like I'm trying to think of the last thing I saw praised as much as arcane it's like uh not even squid game was that high praised yeah could be interesting yeah Dexter eFap the new season is pretty dope I didn't watch much of the older ones so not gonna be did any of you guys watch Dexter no I don't know anything about Dexter yeah I've heard different things about this this new season that came out is that just like a one off or the I don't know no I do rags since I'm a dog I can practically wear nothing at all nothing at all nothing at all hate to the stupid sexy rags and they ended in brackets high-fringing hey animal don't to wear anything nobody bats and I true it's nice fun fact the amount of Jesus imagery in zacks DC movies prompted double WB to market them as Christian films before they came out that's true sure I wonder are you sure I have a difficult time believing that I also have a difficult time believing that not impossible but I maybe there's just a meme I don't know but no improbable but not impossible that's a I screwed it up one more time improbable but not impossible now you guys if any of you get that reference gold star Simpsons no yes yes Margaritaville one of the best episodes of that show also if it was in the Simpsons the episode would be called Margaritaville yeah probably also bonjour to rags hello and the Australian Lizard and the other guy Lizard yeah they called you a Lizard you all right with that that's not true well they what do you mean you didn't say hi so I guess like none of you guys are feeling particularly generous today I don't know I guess I'm just in a shitty fucking moon no I'm fine actually today's a pretty good day I got my power back way before I like I'm pretty over the moon right now I'd love to know the origin of that well technically because unless you have like a space suit and stuff you could be in some serious trouble but I didn't expect to have my power back at all today and maybe not even tomorrow but it is back I'm very glad because my life sort of comes to a standstill in a lot of ways that my power goes out like if internet goes out well at least I could work on videos and stuff and I could get a lot of stuff together at least I could do things like play games too but if the power's out I can't even hang out here so I just went to my folks place hang out with dad for a while we talked about stuff and things and it was great and so here I am I was able to make it back that's always the thing in my mind too I know how long e-faps last so I'm like ah you know some horrific terrible cashing happens price still going by the time it's done well you got back for the beginning of the second act we're now in the third act you know it's all didn't miss much at all there's a look approved for what we're doing right now I think so I thought that might be where you're going there we go we have a three act structure in the e-faps those are look approved very nice I like it I'm mostly sending this because I like you guys and want to give you money but I'll say something for content the multimedia madly has been my favorite stream in recent memory oh boy I really enjoyed it too now the pressure's on me to create another one at some point probably guys it took like I was going to say if you ever find stuff you think would be funny for us to cover just throw it into the group chat and then I can cycle it in maybe yeah I'll keep my mind I'll keep my mind on doing that yeah I like that multimedia medley concept idea it was a collection made over like two months I think so it was just a series of little things that I was like this wouldn't work for a full episode then together they create a full episode beautiful but if we work together I'm sure we can uncover the secret wait you don't have the secret guys I don't know what you're referring to there or what commentary you're making well I was I don't know I was just saying this multimedia medley thing I was sold on the idea that you knew this secret and you were going to give it to me if I like worked with you and did all the stuff for you so you're telling me that you actually don't have it you're saying you lied to me on this very important aspect we can discover the secret of the multimedia medley if you kill chill is that right I mean it sounds alright you sound pretty trustworthy I require no evidence to work with you at all I am I'm going I'm gonna I'm gonna commit I'm just I'm just glad that you uh yeah I made a very strong argument um alright what's next imagine if in no way home there's a no Andrew Utobi but the new spider-man that's taken over from Tom while Tom goes to do uncharted movies well that's the big twist there's just some new actor and then no other I like it is kind of funny to me right because I thought that not having them in the marketing was a bad idea because everyone knows they're in the fucking movies and you may as well use that to attract people but there are enough people there are enough people who are hyper obsessed that are saying like wait what if they're not in it it's like oh this is actually working okay fine whatever like you gotta go to find out yeah like like maybe so do you know what they're doing because I I see these people who are just like oh god you know maybe like you know what Mahler I think it works really well both ways I feel like just intuitively the telling everybody they're in the movie even just for one shot can get you more exposure because that's a guarantee but uh yeah like the very end a little the little ending in the trailer because I don't think that ruins anything for the movie yeah because we have just confirming that they're in it in some regard unless they pull a fucking rhino on us I would be super excited as a Spider-Man fan just to see like oh my gosh but name one Spider-Man movie mr. Spider-Man fan Spider-Man 12 2 remodeling my home 12 angry Spider-Man 12 remodeling my home I that's the one that was controversial right yeah they did a complete facelift of Spider-Man as a character and everyone was like Spider-Man shouldn't be in a good home wrong I want to see Spider-Man suffer also said a little slurs in that one racist I think that was a smoke screen I think everyone loved that and then started to claim they didn't just try to fit in the biggest I think it made it more Spider-Man than ever before if my Spider-Man isn't racist it's not my Spider-Man Spider-Man should be like real spiders and fucking suffer oh no oh my god um y'all should do it spiders tell the future man fantastic y'all should do a re-debate of TASK 2 TASK 2 TASM 2 they must mean TASM 2 yeah oh yeah cause that would alter correct on a phone for sure TASM isn't a weird as far as I know some particular people still think it's good hey man there's people out there who think black widow is good we covered one of them there's people out there who think TLJ is like the greatest movie of all time we've come across a lot of planets in the world I mean instead of a 4 I'll say it again it's like TASM 2 before you get into everything else it's like Electro just like fucks that movie completely if you guys were like I want to make a movie where the enemy is made of electric I'd be like uhhhh maybe don't do that yeah it'd be really fun and cool he's gonna fire electric and spoot him and you're like yeah is that that fun maybe we could figure something else out I bought a guy who dresses as a bird and steers together I very quickly made my Christmas profile image it's gonna say Christmas list and I was like why is this relevant it's gonna be fun we're gonna just give me a minute to export it all and get it all we're waiting for an HG no you can keep talking that's fine I'm still I'm getting ready this guy just like holding the entire flow of the podcast to tell us nothing that's pretty fucked up for ringing what the hell that's what I mean why don't we tell him he's fired tomorrow you know what if you want to do it tomorrow I'm here baby we can do it the day after tomorrow you can watch that movie and then tell him at the end of it I think today he actually told me he wanted to go see Moonfall is that like that's Roland Emmerich yeah we like he and I we sort of like those stupid fucking popcorn cruncher movies I like him so he was interested in seeing that I wanna do Armageddon free fat movies that'd be great you must Michael Bay right but same thing in terms of like enjoyment any plans for Arcane it's not perfect but the character stuff and world building is top notch seeds down somebody sent a super chat saying it's crap so we can finally say well it's not from what I've heard it's not you know it's a mix bang you guys are alphabetically in order high ragastus ragastus we are an alphabetical order I think that's how discord calls organize the a list you know I didn't think what rag said was that funny but I can see it I'm looking at avatar that's why I'm laughing bring you okay he still looked like you could move very well I don't know and you look terrified I'm not sure it was so perfect it was a change writer was looking at discord it was now that that's like you get back to doing my other work I like it I like it a lot I like it too I think I think it's fun now I gotta update it on the twitters oh yeah I need to do that too mutually I'm a very casual with multiplayer and don't generally get the fuck out of here filthy filthy disgusting disgusting casual and don't get generally pulled into them if I'm not having fun also I miss the days of momofit 2 lobbies is league safe for a man like me also high rags I'm not the person to ask this stuff honestly I'm just so out of the loop on multiplayer I think I wrote a vault chat in league I think that's the thing that you're doing I can't remember if they've done that yet or not people in chat will have better updates on that I'm not up to diaper for league at all I think I played league last time like two years ago maybe it'd be funny if arcane ends up taking over it in terms of like a popular icon IP thing that would be interesting actually but yeah I don't know what to recommend to you if you've been watching EFAB and I feel like this super chat was probably prompted by the episode that was all about how those times are dead I was thinking about the other day it's like yeah there used to be like a minute where you got to interact with people and change your class and people talk shit to each other in that lobby it was a social space but those social spaces are gone and they're sanitized yeah they are super sanitized it was nice to talk shit to the other team or just like talk to the other team conversations because everyone in the game was just like talking to each other like there was a sense of community in these games and you just yeah it's getting eroded you're only supposed to play with like a couple of your friends and some private chat that nobody else can get into you're not like yeah you're playing this game but I mean at what point should you might as well play against bots you know like you camping piece of shit I stabbed you because yeah that's right you get what you fucking deserve I hate you go kill yourself in Minecraft you didn't even have to say in Minecraft back then that's right it's like who was the prick oh yeah you have to use the spaz 12 yeah yeah yeah some people don't need shotguns to do well I'm just saying but you do what you gotta do man I mean it's part of the game dude like you know I'm not allowed to do this I'm not allowed to use the gun it's in the game and then the next game because there'd be like lobbies that would keep people together that person might be on your team maybe in your squad and they're your friend now now your friends last game was last game your friends now you're on yeah you have to shoot the other side you voted for snowbound do you need to lift up to that camping place I gotcha man yep do you guys miss the days of getting together to play on Piccadilly no no actually fuck all the people I only mapped so bad that I'm pretty sure they took it out of the rotation I remember when we played the beta that was when it was over at your place we were like yeah this is fun then we all bought it and then after a week's like man this is shit I do like that game I do like that game man the balancing woof yeah fucking Piccadilly what a shitty fucking map I can't believe that that made it so bad I can't believe that everybody hated it fucking Piccadilly salt on eFab that just keeps this is always gonna be there it's like a trigger word it's foam in front of your mouth how could they do that yeah even it's nice to I'm just playing Battlefield 5 casually as we talk about all this stuff you still just have people that you play with and they never say a word um no one really talks in this game but like you just get good teammates and you want to stick around with them like you'll never see them again but you know I just want to be in their squad because they're pretty good and you recognize other people on the other side and you're just like man I want to like I want to get them you know that guy over there who can apparently but it's like I just want to I want to take them out I'm gonna equip my Flieger Faust and I want to shoot him out of the sky oh that's Flieger Faust I want to look at the scoreboard and see that he's dead and he just ate up another death yeah scoreboard's not allowed anymore as well I can't believe they did that that's insane look at the fuck everything's so sad they just want to keep everyone they want to keep that fucking game sanitized so that nobody leaves I guess I guess that's I think that's their I think that's their that's in their minds that's the plan if we don't have you know these lobbies that get toxic then people will want to play the game for longer because they don't get angry at the toxic people and so they'll play the game more and they'll want to spend more money and there's fucking something like that looking at the player count on steam that's that obviously they work really well I think they were down to like 20k active players already oh dude like daisy had more players than Battlefield did like what a fucking embarrassment like yes there is a drop off but this is a substantial drop off especially for Battlefield yeah a lot of people play in Battlefield 5 now I bet because Battlefield 5 was actually pretty good it is good I I have been quite liking Battlefield 5 quite a bit yeah even before you you mentioned it because we randomly like me and my friends we randomly picked it up because like oh yeah might as well pick it up because they had it and I just got it on it's 13 now because it's cheap as fuck I got the definitive edition for 10 bucks it was good it was pretty good yeah I really like Battlefield 5 quite a bit it's uh they did a lot of really awesome stuff in this game design wise clearly learned a lot of lessons from Battlefield 1 improved a lot of mechanics that were introduced in that game they did a lot of really cool and interesting stuff a lot of interesting sort of design choices that they made um in 2042 just shot over every shot all over everything yeah I can't believe what they did with this game that's insane to me horrible it is oh well I'll just I'll just sit here and play the old ones that everyone else is playing I'll play my other games and I'll play my double A games and my indie games and in the good ones I'll just give my money to those people those companies apparently there's a there's a talking about like indie games and such it's a blasphemous DLC apparently coming out I'm interested in that I know if you even aware of that game it's like a roklike roklike no that's not true Metroidvania sorry pretty cool looks pretty neat it's like that on steam on stream when it came out two years ago I think but yeah it's like a DLC coming out I want to check that out probably gonna be good indie games to fall back to because they're mostly really good but it is as bad as 2040 we're not talking about five because five is kind of great um but you know what you made in the indie trailer you pushed a bizarre place to try and push the diversity thing the World War 2 game it is the biggest issue of this game aesthetics are aesthetics are fucked in this game but once you can get over that it's a real fucking gem it's the same too the vehicles in this are stellar in terms of the design in a lot of the details they put into and kind of getting a lot of the aesthetics right the different types of vehicles a lot of great vehicle stuff in this game and then the infantry like the gameplay for the infantry is great but you know half the characters are women and everyone other persons is kind of like is that really an outfit that they would wear but once you can get over that you can get over that hurdle it's some good shit you guys should do an efap video game with the new Mario movie coming out oh god you have to play all of the Mario games I'll see you in two years well no I think it would just be so the Mario movie with bob har skins that would be the obvious one to do before that but then I guess the Silent Hill movies Sean Bean's in those we've done the Resident Evil ones maybe the ones from Uverbold did a whole bunch of them right I do not know which ones he did House of the Dead oh those were fun arcade games I beat House of the Dead too with my uncle once at an arcade that was fun alright let's put a big maybe on that I recently rediscovered my light guns that I had for my playstation unfortunately I don't work on flat screens anymore but apparently someone linked me a Kickstarter or something where they're developing the light guns that work on flat screens I might want to look into that because having those arcade things in your home spray is pretty fun it's pretty cool sorry rags good looking does not make a good game I literally just said that it's bad looking right no I mean graphically the game looks really good the aesthetics the infantry aesthetics are really fucked but the vehicle aesthetics the map is stellar the second time today that you say a thing and it's just like the opposite is interpreted it's like you clearly weren't listening yeah clearly we're not listening hey Fringold, Fringoy how does it feel to live in a country that is committing medical apartheid by putting vaccine mandate dissidents in concentration camps there's a lot of words yeah that was a lot of words so next question yeah it just I would just be like do you really think you're going to get much of a response when you do questions like that it's like you've had this very much invested in the whole hey let's talk about movies and stuff try and avoid them realisms love you guys not you metal hey they might have adored you they just didn't love you well they did a bad job of adoring you taking your shleams away yeah that's how upset I am hang on I'm just going to write down the timestamp you said that I'm going to have to remove that from the VOD yeah fuck it better otherwise we're going to get banned oh look who's in chat theotetry fuck that guy what do you think of dunny or dunk dunk dunekirk dunkenheims everybody looks the same in hailho nobody has it with a different look armor everybody looks exactly the same suddenly that comment what happened to my fov as well my fov is all like oh no it's 100 okay I just don't look it it's in metric now boop boop a lot of background and details were lost in the adaptation that are important to the plot so I'm optimistic but concerned about part 2 was there I feel like we got a pretty good amount of info to work with I know that a big complaint a lot of book readers had was Dr. Yue was not fleshed out enough because he's like hyper significant to the drama of the story maybe the reference stuff like that I do not know maybe they're talking about the travelers a hail ragler hail oh there you go Theos said I have to say I didn't really care for it I don't think I'd call it bad but I found it very uninteresting you're uninteresting is it because it didn't adhere to the 3x structure Theos that one it was probably what he was typing to clarify he's like this is great video I can recommend you guys it'll get the point across straight away it'll be so funny it just gets like an official lead even bad for me an email yeah if ever you're caught recommending a video that's been covered that's an automatic ban even if it's a good video it's been covered did I say hail ragler I wanted to make sure I think so but just in case hail greetings personally I like the movie but I think it's doomed because they only had 3 hours to shove almost 100 sorry 1000 pages in it's not an excuse just a shame because I love the book also high rags hi what I hear a lot is there was a lot to pack into a movie we always knew it would be a difficult thing to make into a movie I feel like Denny did well I can't say how good of a job he did if I've not read the book I guess but in terms of just the movie itself it's a movie it has a story it did that alright and to some it was uninteresting it's an uninteresting talking about spondo the chads they loved it apparently there's a first look at spider-man across the spider-verse part one that's been released what does that mean I think like a sneak trailer thingy for the new anime oh yeah I heard that was coming out today yeah so what is it trailer for a new show no for the next part of the spider-verse yeah but I'm very pessimistic about that because it's not being made for the same people yeah why would you make something that good and then for the sequel just give it to new people well I think they're involved in a lot of projects so that would probably explain it but they're busy I mean after all this time you'd think I'll just wait till they're free they did such a great job the problem is that like that's my brain you wouldn't want to do that but probably you just want to get these things out and if they're not available they're not available you can get someone else which I guess would be a big misreading right because a lot of it is stemming from that being a pretty good creative team who tend to pretty consistently do well um so yeah I'm not I don't know um do you feel like a do you feel like a damn command like damn spelled D-A-M um it feels awkward but I'm glad that I found the extension that got rid of that thing okay yeah which damn command it's just awkward seeing dislike I think he's saying that it feels like he's being commanded to dislike because it's in big bold letters saying dislike oh yeah that makes sense it's relatively small by comparison and flies on the UI yeah I quickly got an extension that restored the uh yeah restored that uh but anyway guys good luck finishing batwoman uh so you can move on to high guardian spice hail oh high guardian spice is that an anime it is like it's a yeah it's that it's like a shitty supposedly shitty crunchy rolled produced quote unquote I remember that yeah I remember that except for the only people who don't like it are coincidentally women haters it's crazy coincidence oh dude I don't know if you heard about it recently but that that trailer that's Seth Rogen and Sarah Silverman put out for that little show all the white supremacist got to it yeah yeah Seth Rogen said that tens of thousands of white supremacists really were up people didn't like it no no he's right those white supremacists they you never know what's gonna trigger them it is utterly implausible that I made something that people didn't like that's that's not possible it's funny because I watched the trailer and then sent it to Fringy and I wish I would have recorded your reaction because all I heard was like oh fuck oh why it was really bad so bad it's like well yeah I mean you never know what will trigger them and I hope Seth can survive the attacks from the horrible white supremacist ruining the reputation of this wonderful show I want to make a video on it tell them to fuck themselves instead of reacting to it publicly it's 8 episodes it's all that there is I might watch it to do a video say it all that there is well there's about 20 minute episodes each so it's not like crazy long but it might be fun little project to make fun of yeah um hail rags hail the score was like a person screaming and I disagree light skin handsome Squidward was a bad actor and hated the contrived force I mean the vision it's not contrived clearly a very special power and explains how he got it also I thought he was good I found him to be a neutral I don't have anything to say but I don't know how to write him as an actor but I think everyone else was top notch I don't know because a lot of people are saying he's playing the character perfectly and I'm like uhhhh okay a little on the dull side I suppose not much in the way of charisma but you know we shall see how things progress what what we'll give him a chance I guess oh that's what we needed for Willy Wonka was a prequel Willy Wonka is the whole story Spiderverse part one oh boy is there already going to be like a confirmed second one Wonka a Wonka verse no the spider one it says part one oh across the spiderverse part one so I mean there's going to be a part two presumably I'm just taking a look now um but yeah as for like I said I like the score no plenty of people didn't um the main character no plenty of people found his acting bland others don't difficult to to figure out all these things out definitively some people like bagpipes some people don't and as for the visions I don't know if they're that bad when they're literally not even giving him the future they're giving him potentials slash mixed signals yeah um I thought they handled it pretty well and that it comes from him being trained in the ways of the Bene Gesserit if that's Bene Gesserit? yes Ben Stiller um hello first time catching you live catching up on the old episodes currently at 51 wanted to ask if you had how if you'd have Dick Masterson on the show he follows you on Twitter the communist he's fun I'm the master of dicks I'm not against having him sure yeah I'm having to talk to us about Kuma whatever it's fine hey that's my job I saw a review that said Senna made them hate Christmas yeah uh based on what I've seen it's pretty it's pretty awful because there's Seth Rogenling for Christmas there's the trailer there's the eight episodes and on the HBO Max YouTube channel there's like four little like more sort of trailers where they do these shitty skits and I understand there's only so many times you could say that something isn't funny but I think it's the the just the the staggering amount of no creativity in anything there's just absolutely zero creativity in any of the jokes in just in anything it's so dull and like I haven't even smiled at anything yet that I've seen it's it's like any when you when quote-unquote comedians write a show you would expect the show would be really funny but it's just like I guess that's good enough and then they go into the next joke quote-unquote I guess that's good enough can you hear any white supremacy I sound as sworn oh we're surrounded in it don't you know it's everywhere yeah like whenever you talk about the show we just I start hearing like all kinds of I wish you'd calm down you know enough they make they make Judaism a really big thing because I guess Seth Rogen and Sarah Silverman are Jews I guess and they just they really just go on and on and on about being fucking Jews it's really important that you know that they're Jewish in the trailer Jewish yeah like in their little in their little promo stuff they constantly go into Jewish stuff okay sorry what is the show about about Christmas well so Christmas is about so Christmas is about celebrating the birth of a Jew I guess but they really really go into just how they're Jewish you know okay it's weird well I don't really intend I'm watching it so you have to let me know if you do how good it is I do I do intend to watch it actually I did a month of HBO Max to get all the eight episodes because I couldn't find a good rip of them anywhere because people care about the show so little that it's not even so I'll watch them there and you know HBO Max it lets you download shows to your phone or tablet but not to your computer it will not let you download shows onto your computer only your phone or tablet that's weird HBO Max but they're celestial they're epic they're bone chilling fucking shoulder bones elsewhere where is Fringy's Christmas avatar well there you go I'm I don't know if it's a gingerbread Fring or a Fringjabread man I think I'm still trying to figure out I like gingerbread I would keep the ginger I would definitely keep the gingerbread well it needs to be gingerbread because it's a gingerbread man so it is gingerbread so it's probably a gingerbread Fring gingerbread plague gingerbread doctor the gingerbread doctor something like that just don't let people dip you in milk milk because you'll get soft that would be scary dune is objectively bad because I hate sand oh I mean it is coarse and rough and it does get everywhere like across a whole planet yeah it's all over the place in dune I will say name the planet dune it must be so it's nuts I finally encountered somebody who's got master chief's helmet and it's like man did you have to pay for that? you probably did I'm pretty sure that one isn't unlockable for Fring like I'm out by $10,000 but it's okay first time watching live finally love what you guys do looking forward to today's show by the way I don't think they'll make a dune film that bows the books justice does the books justice a lot of people feel like this one did I think that's the general perception yeah it seems if I was like honestly generalize the perception of this film from what I've heard I would probably level it the same rate I gave the film about 60% it seems to be where it's settled I heard a lot of hate but I also more heard love and I heard a lot of boring which isn't a very compelling argument for me no because I didn't find it boring do you know what got called the boring the most in terms of newish media why and that sucks because why is great little boring little scary talking about Israel hi rags hi alright the director is overrated by the way I mean I like hi he's great when it comes to shots and he's more of a mixed bag when it comes to overall because Takario is excellent he's made yeah that's one of my favorite films so I do like him I think he's quite talented but yeah he is a bit of a mixed bag because then you have like a rival Blade Runner it's like admittedly depending on who you're talking to those are both masterpieces I really like the first half of a rival well I just remember when I watched it the first time I thought it was really cool but I'm not so sure now I think that's one I need to rewatch but I haven't seen his other movies prisoners and I hear that one's really good yeah yeah I saw prisoners I really liked it give me your shotgun no I need it for Mario Kart the man not entitled the wet of his shotgun I think one of the things I loved about Dune is that it's not made for everyone it's not like Disney slash MCU the world building reminds me of Lord of the Rings 10 out of 10 oh my I think I would agree that it is it is less of a product than you would expect for such a high budget thing based on a well known IP yeah it doesn't it doesn't seem like it's super corporatized to sell action figures or Lego sets oh no but yet they could they could yeah there is an earnest to it like it really did come across as this is the vision of a filmmaker and they actually had a good vision not a shit Lego Baron Harkinen's stomach yeah I'm getting one of those it had this great sense of dare I say epicness to it I really enjoyed I think so too well it enables interesting travel in a wrap sorry interstellar travel in a roundabout way the precognition you get from it lets you find safer paths with faster than light travel yeah from what I understand the spice gets given to people in like these chambers until they start to sort of mutate and then they have the ability to be able to see where you would end up and thus be able to tell you which place I see okay I thought it was like fuel literally no they so one of the things that I thought was interesting was that they completely just skip over that part there's no space yeah they mention it but they don't have any sequence where they show it happening yeah or or really yeah it's just like yeah we did it they move on with a plot which is fine I think it's just interesting that they just sort of you know is yeah hello fellas I love the old rts games dune 2 and the semi remake dune 2000 good old westworld studios to try to find my physical copy uh oh physical copy for nostalgia feels also high rags is cute dog hello oh thank you very much adorable doggo outfit yeah we'll be so much squeeze into it it's it feels weird you know it's it's fine when it's seasonal but having this thing on you know it's an odd feeling I it it's weird I feel more naked with it on all right no no no like like next time like next time you're naked right only put on sandals and you'll just feel more naked what kind of emphasizes how naked you really are I think I think that's yeah I think so I think that's how it works I've never thought of that but that's uh I'm not gonna do it I'm not gonna give it a try but it's an interesting it's easy it's it's just the next time I know it's easy but there are a lot of things that are easy that I still don't feel like doing I think you should though I think it's really important that's just like politically or uh environmentally right awesome we're losing sorry sorry about that yeah I need my damn challenge points well I don't get anything for it anyways but I'll get something you have an hour nice one I just so don't care about the progression of Halo anymore it didn't take long I was thinking what I could play to wind down for like an hour yesterday and I saw Halo and my brain was like um oh we won cool a lot faster than I thought it would what exactly yeah I was like oh that is a bad sign I'm feeling that way already it's like after we go it's like okay and then when the events uh stop it's like oh what's the next event it's like there's no next event January it's like months away well I thought they would at least like rotate events well yeah this is stuff I never this happened with all guys it's like okay retards let's work together for a second shall we and have a rotation of events how about a mode where everyone the one we were talking about just like you just limit particular equipments particular weapons and you create dynamic modes run them once per week every week is a new one this takes like I can't imagine how long it takes for a program to sort out you don't need any new assets okay that's the important part yeah just make rocket launcher and the grappling hook modes okay that's one yeah you should definitely make that yeah like instant recharge on your grappling hook and that could be fun that could be really fun we should have these modes but I mean again they I think they put out a tweet recently where they said that they're working on implementing player which that's insane isn't we're working on commenting free for all I think they're adding bomb assault I think yeah no assault you know I miss chug or not what way are they going to implement it though I'm just going to fucking shoot it or some playlist and then you have to get lucky to get it that's one of the big problems with this game right now is I need to be able to choose my game modes because I don't want to play oddball I need total control that's what I need in big team battle I don't want to keep running I'm not throwing the dice to just see that I get it yeah like I don't want to play a lot of big team battle modes like I don't want to play the I don't think anybody wants to play the seed one we swap the seeds around it's like well I don't know I don't know what to tell you like if the game is not that fun people aren't going to play it you know it's like how did you screw this up design fun things or make the playlist about the playlist we're so disappointing wait what did he say wait what or let us vote Thunder just wrote community could director and manager put out tweets about the playlist and they were disappointing I'm just curious what they were I think it's that they're like nowhere near close to being like it's it's gonna take some time okay let me see if I can find it no I don't know his name so I actually also in the middle of the game so I yeah it feels weird right these are problems that we solved like when fucking Halo 2 came out I mean Halo 2 had a lot of great modes and it had a lot of great features in terms of just letting you pick and pick and choose these things it didn't restrict your ability to play this boom done you could play it and so that's the problem right I can only assume that the reason why these features aren't there is because there is some monetary goal that's what I have to assume because if you had it sorted out that long ago why can't you do it now you know yeah can't be that hard um yeah sad face overall and god damn it there are ways to solve your problems right now at least in some way that doesn't cost you that much dev time I would hope anyway you know fiesta if someone said like what's better knocking that off now and so you have nothing till January just keeping that one as a pib and thing I just like just leave it on just leave it on leave it there give me the option to play fiesta all the time at least it's another mode you need to play it at this specific time login at this time that's how we make money off if you make really good content that keeps its value people will pay for it exactly speaking of jokes fuck mary kill puns dad jokes or edgy humor I'm gonna marry edgy humor I'm gonna marry edgy humor as well I wanna be around it all the time I wanna bathe an edgy humor fuck puns and kill dad jokes bye dad jokes as much as I can appreciate dad jokes and medicines they're funny because they're dad jokes and you recognize them and everyone's like I really like puns I think puns are great I know you like puns I'm surprised you didn't marry puns if all of the humor was edgy I think I'd like it more than if all of the humor was puns so I guess I'd want to be around it more in that sense check out Quinn's ideas for dune breakdowns he's been making videos on it for at least five years oh man if you're interested in some dune stuff I imagine there's a lot of dune tubers right now I've seen a lot of dune lore channels maybe they prefer dune tubers right sounds better than duba first off that's not true but I guess they can I can call themselves what they want to but in my heart they are dubers my dude please help protect me that's okay for tubers what sounds better for any dune tubers or dubers dune tubers I win a lot of wrong opinions around here dubers sounds like an insult whoa whoa I'm just saying it sounds like an insult I'm not saying that it is one rags has been stumped alright then there's one oh that's the tweet is it so yeah they're gonna add fiesta attacked so yeah they're not adding one bomb assault anything well that's great no king of the hill I'm not even a big fan of king of the hill but it should be there I want these modes not all the time but every once in a while yeah I want to play these modes every once in a while to shake up the three modes that they have I want to play a game of oddball of assault and then a ninja knot and just something like that and of course it says that the team is gonna aim to get him by the end of the year which means you know it's not guaranteed that they'll be out this year um and I can imagine if it's not out this year or it'll take a while to get it done next year because of Christmas breaks and things like that so yeah I don't know I don't know if they got the time that's the problem because these things really needed to be there at launch all I want for Christmas is an objective view of the matrix trilogy well so that's an idea we had but the problem with that one for me is just that that one will take time and effort not only in editing I mean but just in terms of coverage the matrix requires like to iron out not only how the trilogy like fucks itself but also how this fourth one is probably going to fuck all of it up like so I'm not sure what would be where our plans are for that just yet too many things came out at once even though this was like a slower year than what we could have expected actually it's gonna be pretty nuts so expect us to release coverage of things but who knows what things and when thanks thanks so in EFAP movies doing Dune 1984 and the TV show version and Dune 2021 but it's very disappointing none of you watch the original movie I didn't want to see the original movie before seeing this new one because I didn't want to know the story anything about it yeah yeah I preferred not knowing because I'm assuming that the original one is going to line up at least in a lot of ways listen I don't know much about it rags but it just feels like he should be very good at hail multiplayer yeah I am very good at hail multiplayer and the MCC but the infinite is I think I'm not as good as the infinite as the other ones of course I've played it far less but it's the one I don't know I feel like I'm just already done with it I got like a dozen hours in it I just I have no I can't equip charms while the game is loading I wanted to add a charm to my pistol that I just unlocked but I can't do it while I'm loading the game I'm way better I appreciate what you're talking about thank you I feel like I'm way better in infinite than I'm in the MCC I don't know why I feel like the gameplay is the same I don't know why I'm doing way better in the infinite one yeah I feel like the gameplay is pretty different I'm a lot better at like hail of reach I'm pretty darn good at hail of reach and I'm just I still think I'm pretty good at infinite but not nearly as good as other stuff or as other halos just trying to make it doesn't matter that I'm doing very well most of the time because I'm only getting XP for challenges oh you have 12 medals 50 XP yeah that sucks when you do really really well in Halo Infinite it's like oh you made progress at the beginning experience one day like oh okay thanks you know how to get people to really play to win you give them a lot of goodies if they win yeah instead of giving them rewards only for like doing these stupid challenges yeah especially challenges that might make you go out of your way to not play the objectives by the way that Dune TV show I was shown a clip from it it was fucking hilarious I would show you guys but no yeah I saw it too I saw it too I didn't know there was a Dune TV show it's on sci-fi from the 90s I think well it's crazy because I've heard some people say that they really like the TV show version I was just like really like I guess I may have seen a bad clip I don't know 4.5 out of 10 good visuals weird exposition dialogue and dragged out story though I need more info about this universe to care about any faction in this I don't know I felt like I really did kind of care I really want to see what you know I really want the Harkinons to get theirs you know I feel bad about like I feel really bad about what happened to Lito and the Atreides guys because they seem like pretty nice dudes you know I liked Duncan I liked I kind of liked everybody you know it's nothing spectacular this isn't going to be an example I cite for you know amazing characters in media I'm just like no I just liked them and I you know I want good things to be happening in the end I liked Lito too I wanted more of him I'm sad he died Oscar man he's happy to get out of Star Wars he just feel it gets to act gets to be a character it's kind of unreal to think about in retrospect he always wanted to be in a Star Wars movie loved Star Wars he's fucking got his way like up the ladder for acting just by fucking fantastic performances all kinds of roles he's like here I go here comes Star Wars ends up saying I don't want to touch this thing unless I need money no I'll do Marvel I'll do anything else what a fucking mess what's the thing then as with what we heard about Will Smith I'm sure all these actors are like look I want the Robert Downey Jr. package ok if I'm coming in I don't want the one where I get sidetracked and someone else's but that's the thing if someone's like oh yeah you get to be you know fucking this character blaze night or something you're like oh cool and you're like you will be in Captain America 4 for 5 minutes you're like oh well I guess there is an element of that right like Kit Harrington plays a character will be a character maybe in a later movie not right now you don't get anything right now and that's the thing you got to negotiate you got to be like is that worth it I guess it might be so I guess in response to my thing about winning and giving experience for it someone said but then you just end up with everybody playing the same because winning is the only thing that matters so one when I never said winning is the only thing that matters at least I don't think so but like I if you had two teams of like 4, 8, 12 whatever people and everybody was playing to win oh how I relish such games I was like the only one playing the fucking objective on my own but everyone else was like going yeah I need sniper kills exactly this dude's over there I'm on this battlefield game we're playing who need to hold objectives to win and fucking fill which is over there with his sniper rifle going 3 and 12 the whole game and this guy is over here and he's just sitting around waiting for a plane to spawn because he needs plane points right so how do you fill about the santa guy in our battlefield with the santa hat fuck it's so what's worse is that it doesn't surprise me yeah it doesn't surprise me at all I was expecting stuff like that classes died so that you could get santa claws yay thanks I got a drink in the freezer I gotta get but yeah I fucking hate that shit at least they had the good sense to decide to not put that in because it's just so tasteless yeah but I'll try again when people don't care us in cash yeah in 6 months when 12 people are still playing and they're the only people who care they'll sell it because they know that those few people left will buy it because those people stuck around but like battlefield 5 they stopped battlefield 5 and working on it so that battlefield 2042 could happen that sucks so fucking hard imagine all the manpower and hours and stuff that went into 2042 just you know distilled back into just hours and then that's put back into battlefield 5 like well apparently the right of attrition of the developers dice is like significant horrific apparently 58 yeah you got 58% of the people who are working at dice right now were hired during battlefield 2042's development and I think since battlefield 1 like almost 70% of the people yeah something like 70 to 80% of the people they're just not there anymore and granted that was like 5 years ago but still 80% but that just seems to be happening because you keep hearing these stories of people who jump into like the video game industry they want to work on these big games they get in these big teams and then they get destroyed like working on these projects and then they drop out and then you've lost that talent forever they're gone they don't want to be part of the industry it's completely burnt them out yeah they just burnt out they have to work really hard they don't really their contribution to the game is a lot smaller than they probably thought it would be and that really sucks because like you need to retain that talent because that talent becomes the new directors the new design leads art directors you need the young people who enter the industry to stay in the industry because the older people are eventually going to leave when they get old and retire and what happens when you don't have those people they quit because they don't want to they don't want to do this anymore you know and I mean you know you should just treat people better like when it comes to in general crunch is a really concerning part of the industry but I guess the problem is I don't know that broadly that consumers really care that much about crunch like I'm pretty sure the Red Dead Redemption 2 that was like a big controversy right that people had been working extensive crunch but I'm pretty sure that like 90% of the people who bought that game had no idea about that they were just completely oblivious and even if you told them they wouldn't be that concerned they wouldn't care that much um so I don't know how you fix that problem other than unions I guess like if developers unionize which I'm surprised there isn't a game developer's union at this point I mean there's unions for film industry yeah you got unions for like actors unions for sound people and lighting and grips and things like that but video game industry doesn't really have that excellent by the way the reason why the shield's not explored in the movies is that if lasers are fired at the shield it results in a subatomic fusion and a nuclear explosion why do people keep telling us this we talked about this well to be fair that's a super chat from before so maybe they are it's unreal to me that that's just this accepted part of dune's fucking world it's just like man that sounds like a really exploitable yeah sounds easy to set up just get a laser shot at it and nuke a whole place I don't know also the shield allows slow to go through because it needs to allow air through also not explained in the movie correct and this is the thing so this is a good explanation actually of where the books come in if someone says in the books they say it's to let oxygen in we can then go with that idea in the movie and it's something that I think is relatively reasonable to infer without dialogue if you think about it why would they need stuff slow to go in and it's like oh yeah I guess if it seals everything they wouldn't be able to breathe you know you can make that assumption and then we can talk about that as a system we don't need you don't need to be like well why are you even referencing the books it's just the book as an idea in it you could have come up without the book this is the thing I'm sure the dune book is incredible I just I don't I haven't read it so I don't know what I'm criticizing from that I'm just trying to stick to the movie trying to stick to the movies yeah the movies method of exposition is godlike compared to the book the book was more of a display of ideas than a story hmm then again I the book is older so conventions about exposition yeah I'd wonder if that book is from the 60s or 50s even I think 10 pages of a character reading the description of a planet and he just goes over all the details in that point in the book well that's just something that they thought worked back then yeah Paul's pain noises with the box were horrible I'm back what's up apparently Paul's pain noises were horrible in the box with the box oh are they supposed to be well I don't know if that's a complaint or if that's a comment on the acting I don't know I don't know I've someone who's been around people who are in pain pain noises come in a variety of styles they're often they're often almost funny on their own if you don't think about the context but the way that people vocalize their pain is because it's one of what someone's voice comes out and they're not even thinking about how their voice comes out it's very natural and real so they can often just sound very strange and unexpected so yeah I it's hard for me to really criticize how someone might sound when they're I presume that cause I'm thinking now it's like what is the practical reason to make noises when you're in pain it's like I guess back in the old good old hunter gatherer days like if you were getting mauled by a 7 2 tiger the guy who yelled probably got saved quicker than the guy who didn't yell it's also anesthetic when you're in pain it does kind of pain relief it does help to make you feel a little bit better at least dull the pain a little bit but I guess that's what I'm saying is there would have been a reason for that right so there would have been evolutionary advantage to that yeah probably yeah if every time you were in pain you were completely silent and you know it was not easy for people to know it yeah that could have adverse consequences they come and help you out yeah yeah yeah yeah oh they followed us saying it wasn't natural at all alright alright um I don't know I'm with rags on that one I would hesitate to judge what what you're allowed to make noises as when you're in pain it's a tough one definitely not going to criticize them for having pain noises it might be difficult to get an actor to give pain noises because when you're in pain like I said you don't think about the noise you're making you're just letting out a noise of pain whereas when you're acting you're thinking about it and the scenario was that he was not supposed to make it she was like silent so you know you got the characters trying to deal with the pain but also not express it it's going to make for some strange noises I'd imagine obviously if he was like then I would be like that's that's odd that's a odd pain noise he's a phantom malignant oh yeah that's right in the far far future an entire religion has been devoted to created around the film malignant what was the name of the thing again I can't remember the what now what was it called you had a name Gabriel that's it yeah yeah yeah it's a good film damn it's a very good film you know it's a good film when you can't tell if it's parody or not that's the market quality oh boy wow that movie that was that one wasn't parody that one's just terrible coming to EFAP next halloweed what was it for Karen that's a year away yeah it's halloweed you guys are in for a treat that makes me sad well don't worry when that halloweed comes around we'll be recording a whole new set of things oh boy oh boy only I want to say is my nephews love yours plushies and what's more the younger one says he like long man plushie more also high rags oh boy I mean surprising but not impossible I got both of my plushies now which one do you prefer ringing the rags one is pretty great I like the way you answered that I do like both of them I'm just saying the rags one is pretty great now I was folks wanted to go out and eat lunch yesterday so we went out and had lunch lovely place north bar and we were chatting about this and that and my folks know to an extent about what I do sort of I think they sense that I like to keep some space between my work life and my private life but I know my mom was saying that she thought the plushie was absolutely adorable and they were one because mine haven't arrived I don't know I gotta double check and see if there's a shipping issue so I gotta find out where they are but yeah even she was like it's just so cute she didn't know anything about the character or anything but she just thinks it's just an adorable adorable little little plush got that broad appeal moms love it perhaps a round two soon enough hmm but yeah thanks for grabbing them up folks there was another set of plushies I had thanks so much for buying those it really means a lot to us only no dune from a porn parody game called behind the dune and this all seems to be exactly the same plot points from the porn game I think they may have ripped off the porn game guys damn that's fucked up maybe Frank Herbert ripped off a porn that he read that's pretty fucked up he's getting all of that appreciation of something he fucking stole damn you Fran Herbert yeah shleamed on sorry I should cut that as well you have to cut that thanks a lot metal sorry I swear I won't be saying shleamed again fuck pain glove tests the Maui tribe makes you makes young boys wear a glove made of bullet ants multiple times as a right of manhood fuck that fuck that can I just hit a pinata or whatever like what are you a woman you know what fuck it like whatever I don't want to deal with the bullet ants there I said I don't want you stupid glove keep your dumb ass love weird animal to look up Mary River Turtle a real life Australian turtle with green hair Murray River Turtle did you say Murray Mary River Turtle I mean it's M.A.M. alright so alright has green hair and breathes through its genitals is that alright what's it called look at him green hair is awesome it's called the Mary River Turtle apparently metal tell us the German word for bagpipes dude it's a liar that's too funny you are a liar how come there's no hymer in there um the ornithopters make sense as an evolution of helicopters they can hover, glide, dive, etc my issue is that the ship shouldn't be deployed on Arrakis film shows us that they have hover tech being used for chairs well that's what I was going to say it's an evolution of helicopters because it can do more than helicopters can it's like well I guess we can do that with other stuff too but we still have helicopters right I'm curious how that works in terms of an evolutionary tech tree because we have some hover tech but I don't know I was confused seeing them too I don't exactly know how they fit in or whether or not they should even be there with all the hover tech they have sack dead doodles gadelb no spaceships work in reality that was pretty funny maybe they just think that it's all a hoax I don't know rags have you ever been to space see how exactly are we proving it's real if he hasn't even been all the space ah how touching the trinity of bitches united in their tism sorry I can't catch this one live I'll catch you masters long on the archive hello can you hear me now hello I was doing I did an update and I guess it turned off something I'll catch up real quick I really like doodle sack we don't have anywhere near the information necessary to determine whether or not ornithopters make sense in this world and I I think that's it have you been to space oh yes I said I've been to spaces but it's not quite not quite probably what they mean that's pretty much what we ended up with when we were first talking about the ornithopters if that's what they called I was like I don't think I can conclude anything in any direction no clue what they if they even replaced anything or what the technology tree is or if it's old tech and they're still using it because it works I mean I mean Arrakis seems like a place where you you shit until it breaks down and you get as much use as you can out of stuff we just we just don't have we just don't have enough info I mean look at you you go out driving how many old cars do you see on the road why haven't you we have way better cars how come you're not using those military I don't know if that's the same thing that would be like seeing a horse in carriage out there in house so ornithopters compared to what because you could have cars the car the car isn't being criticized like the car itself is a design of four wheels or engine whatever the ornithopters being criticized because it's not hover technology I guess it depends on how big of a step up the hover technology is in this world I suppose anything can even be made like is there a like how how small can it get in that sense like we don't we still don't know how much because hover tech may through its implementation simply just not be feasible well we've got hover tech to the point where it's on people individually right on the on the Baron do we see it I don't think we see it anywhere else do we no but that's confirmation that it can be put on small things right can be well I don't know how small the Baron is hey oh but maybe because only the Baron has it maybe that's a no reason why only he can have it like it's that expensive or that complex well we see it on those big ships as well it's just they're not doing it for the ornithopters well yeah that was like kind of a point about miniaturization where a lot of the times it's just not it needs technology needs development to get smaller and smaller and smaller like it's easy to scale a lot of things up but it's very difficult to scale them down so we don't know yeah because we don't we don't know if yeah we don't know enough about hover tech to say for certain what a lot of the restrictions of it are if they do exist we still know which is I'm fine with seeing the tech as it is the gun thing is the floppy one the dark thing I I don't know I don't know I'm not particularly invested in it but I know a lot of people have been and I know that I think YMS is probably the biggest proponent of ornithopters are retarded but I'm not sure how I feel about it in total yeah I definitely am not ready to say that because they clearly work and they seem to be very agile and very useful so I don't think it's that it's not that bad it's not that bad so I don't think he'd deny any of that he's probably talking about the design and reflection of the things and what they do you know it would just be like if I had a wooden stick against your lightsaber and I beat you you're like and I just go hey it's useful uh I don't know I'd have to see a none because it's not just like the hover aspect it's also can we like if you want to have something in an ornithopter role is it even possible to like make it that size or is it feasible to make it like that is because we see it either and we see it in things that are very big which is spaceships if that is even is we don't even know I guess the mechanism but we see it on very very big ships and on an individual who is a baron of an entire house so we just don't have enough to work off of I never got the impression it's because he's rich rather just because he's really fat maybe you know I think everyone else is just walking around because they I mean I would be walking around even if I had the option you know yeah maybe I don't want to be I don't even like the idea of it being stapled to your spine whatever but I suppose he seems comfy sure seems comfy he's like a big old pillow I hope he makes it in the end he's my favorite little I just want Stell and Scar Scar to come back he's had quite a career he has I feel like he was pretty wasted in the MCU um yeah he's not even have like a small amount of screen time too no he was pretty significant like in the early period Thor 1, Thor 2 decent little bit of avengers and then I think he has like a cameo in the age of Ultron and I'm assuming right now he's just like on call if ever they give a shit I don't know oh dude I found a star on the floor as the first place Shel was coming at me something else oh yeah there's half attack in lamps as well and a little tiny light robots yeah and I guess you got the hunter killers as well yeah we see it on some yeah very tiny things yeah I don't know maybe it's I don't know like I could come up with reasons but we just don't know it would just be making stuff up and I just don't know enough about Hovertech and the availability of it on Arrakis and cause do ornithopters did we see them on Caledon I don't remember or was it not until we get to Arrakis that we see ornithopters legit just be old technology that people know how to make and is useful which is why we see it on Arrakis but we don't see it in the nicer places but we just don't know yeah if you guys ever cover Bright I ask that you please also read Landis's original script online many changes also high rags hello any of you guys ever see Bright ornith one right no I haven't it was controversial right but it made a lot of money I think it was really popular on Netflix all I remember about it is a reference Shrek which she was weird in this universe that would be a thing well they filled with like is it fairy tale stuff yeah like orcs and elves and stuff rumble still skin Duncan flew a harvacopter in Caledon I don't remember oh okay I gotcha I think I recall now yeah yeah I still know something I find odd is when there is a cautionary tale that is about how things can go wrong when things are done like Jurassic Park or Frankenstein but people say you can never do said thing no matter how careful how smart you are about it oh I guess you're saying like the point in Jurassic Park and Frankenstein not necessarily to never ever ever do it just the nature in which you do it be careful we don't see ornithopters on Caledon we see jets equipped with Hevertak yeah that's fair enough Caledon has the nice stuff a place like Arrakis doesn't they didn't invest in I mean I guess it makes sense well there's plenty of ways it can make sense yeah I think Jurassic Park a lot of people take from it that we should never ever ever do it but I think it more specifically is like the motivation behind Hammond and his desire with these dinosaurs as opposed to it gets weird right if you were like we really want to do it just to be able to preserve the species no they've gone extinct to bring them back or whatever versus I want to create a park to make money and control nature that sort of stuff I'm not sure but um I mean I'd probably recommend a game to do in a Frankenstein situation you know I don't think Stitch and Baldy pass together to try and make a new person I feel like that could go wrong in a lot of ways it's not going to go right in many ways at all exactly what a coward would say a coward and proud a proud yeah that about caps me out I'm afraid I cannot stay for longer yeah so but obviously what stuff should I mention we'll collect these ready for hopefully a Wednesday stream you've got a big chunk of an eFap that's been recorded and will come out at some point same for there's a meme fap that's ready to go as well but that's probably going to be out in January um but several reasons probably mostly that was stacked for this month I think on eFaps also that it was recorded without the Christmas layout you can't have an eFap out of season that's unacceptable I know but there we go we covered Dune people will do that three months ago and we were like we did it it has been covered consider dune at least covered sufficiently maybe we will revisit it who knows but it is now covered consider it covered dune 2 the dune ining spicy boogaloo uh cover not dune next is not dune that new movie that came out recently the movie not dune almost a lot of movies are not dune I'll just say most movies are everything that isn't dune even and you know depending on purity in the fan base there will be some movies that are called dune that they will say is not dune holy crap you guys are still streaming seven hours it's like it's not even a small time we shouldn't say that we'll encourage them no yeah this is long don't get used to it this is very long more things on the way I'm trying to think what else are we supposed to mention was there anything I have things to mention do it I'll do it I started the thing on the other youtube channel I have where I talk about movies alone or with someone else because that's a regular thing I'm going to be doing now I need a name and I'm looking for suggestions so I'm going to throw this tweet I did like a week ago how about doodle sack doodle sack doodle sack with metal command here I'll consider it if anyone has some suggestions for those throw them in there I'm going to collect until Monday I think is what I'm thinking and then I'm going to look all through all of them put them in a little list the ones I like the most and then I'll probably make a vote on top 5 or something and then I'll decide on the name and if you're wondering where do I find this stuff well you're in luck I have a link to that channel that's handy isn't it I'm going to put that right here as well there's going to be a new one tomorrow coming out where I talk about 12 angry men it's a good old fringled over here it's still in its baby steps it's still kind of unrefined I'm working on that getting a name and if I have a name I'm going to commission some visual stuff for it so it looks nicer because right now it looks kind of makeshift but that's what I'm doing right now regular content from the commander of metal I know you've all been thirsting for it there you go there it is and also the streams are still going so wait what's the method for suggesting names for them when I said it I posted the tweet just throw it under the tweet because that's probably the easiest way for me to just get them on my list now hopefully we can discover something yeah there's also some that I liked that I have as a forerunner there's like a selection yeah if you have some more just throw them down there I'll put them on the list and I'll go through it and hopefully until the next one I record I'll have a proper name for that boy that's nice hopefully for reference you've done one with myself and with Fringy already so you've got stuff to listen to if you want to exactly the Fringy one comes out tomorrow evening at 6pm CEST on the YouTube if you can't wait and you really want to see it you can find the twitch bot obviously but starting next week I'm going to livestream it on that other channel because I don't want to download and cut and export and all that stuff just makes it harder on myself I just do it live on that channel and then it's just there for everyone to see immediately and that's just easier and nicer and yeah that's about it beautiful the other thing I was just reminded about which is fucking cool is that the old kibikins is running a Christmas event as well oh yeah okay I saw that I am robot Santa Claus from Futurama wonderful got rags as gizmo from that good old movie that hasn't been remade yet but totally will be, Gremlins Fringy is the Grinch you got a Jim Carrey right now how's it feel it's crazy weekend moria is Olaf it's frozen and it makes sense the critical drinker would be bad Santa I love the little set you're gonna love the little set let's give it as well yeah Merry Christmas thank you very much very nice yeah it's really cool man wonderful little site as well you know how we feel about Halloween and Christmas over on EFAP we are pro them good times but yeah thank you so much for hanging out with us everybody yeah thanks for coming thanks for listening to us talk about dune and stories and doodle sacks and all that good stuff yeah thanks so much it's a back and forth on dune hopefully I'll be curious how people found the coverage I wonder if we should have brought more people on who are book savvy and then I'm gonna have to burn chat at the stake it was unfortunate rags literally just fucking like some idiot the car yeah it was kind of gnarly I even heard the noise of the of the pole cause it had a transformer on it cause it was an important pole and just it like cracking and breaking and falling over and hitting the ground and I didn't know what it was at first I just know the power went off and I heard even from where I was inside I heard this ungodly strange noise I was like what the hell is that did something just explode what was that and now I know what it was it cost you everything it cost me everything for two hours um yeah dune covered thank you all for hanging out with us thanks for the donations and the messages and we should theoretically see you Wednesday if not next Saturday bye 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