 Hey there, it's time for voiceover body shop and tonight our guest is the one and only Dave Walsh wave. Hello, Dave There we go, we're gonna talk about his true tell method and How you gonna book better with your auditions because he's the best coach in the business and we got some other cool stuff, right George? Oh Yeah, you stick around long enough. I'll make your eyes roll back into your head All right, all that and more coming up on voiceover body shop right now From the outer reaches they came Bearing the knowledge of what it takes to properly record your voice over audio and Together from the center of the VO universe. They bring it to you now George Wittem the engineer to the VO stars of Virginia Tech grad with the skills to build set up and maintain The professional video studios of the biggest names in VO today and you Dan Leonard the voiceover home studio master a professional voice down with the knowledge and experience to help you create a professional sounding home VO studio and Each week they allow you into their world Bringing you talks with the biggest names in the voice of a world today Letting you ask your questions and giving you the latest information to make the most of your voice over business Welcome to voice over body shop Voice over body shop is brought to you by voice over essentials comm home of Harlan Hogan signature products source elements remote studio connections for everyone voice actor websites comm where your VO website isn't a pain in the butt VO heroes comm become a hero to your clients with a word-winning voice over training Jmc demos when quality matters and voiceover extra your daily resource for VO success and now Live to drive from their super secret clubhouse and studio in Sherman Oaks, California Here are the guys Hey there, I'm Dan Leonard and I'm George Wittem and this is voice over body shop or VO B Yes, I heard another voice in there Thanks for the thanks for the extra voice Are good Yeah, thank you Jeff Jeff sent that one in. Thank you. Yes. Anyway Well, you know, it's we're on lockdown here in LA. So I If we could turn the camera around you'd see that I'm all alone here It's more fun when Sue is here because she laughs, but Especially especially when something is actually funny, but Tonight we have a great guest Dave Walsh will be with us in a second But are you gonna stay locked down in your apartment George for the next two weeks? You're not going anywhere, right? Not likely Well, I mean what's going anywhere? What counts? Can you go outside and ride a bicycle? Is that okay? Yeah, it's okay. Can you go to Trader Joe's not advisable, but yeah, okay? Well, I'll be doing those two things so sue me, okay You'll be here for my attorney That's okay, but other than that. Yeah, no dining out. No you can get takeout But you know order takeout from some restaurant if you can keep them in business there It's gonna be a rough couple of weeks on all the restaurants and all the local businesses and yeah That's small business Saturday. Well, I wasn't that was a pretty big one because They can't really operate until I think what is it December 20th something like that? Yeah Sorry guys What are we gonna do and I shaved off my beard because it was our 26th wedding anniversary And it made me look 10 years younger for the third for the third time during this this lockdown Anyway, so let me introduce our guest because he's one of our favorite guys around here in Los Angeles because he's Probably one of the best voiceover coaches around and his name is Dave Walsh welcome once again to voice over body shot Dave Hey guys, good to see you. Good to see you as well Down as you said you're talking about lockdown. Yeah, you're you're in Vegas at the moment though I am in Vegas in my mother's second bedroom Marge to my nephew's on the wall. So those are not my children. Oh, okay. Well, that's cool Yeah, it's a it's a what you know, you got to go to mom's house every now and again. I gotta go to mom's house Right. Absolutely fascinating. I go to my mom's house. We take the dog the dog's like, oh, where's the bedroom? I got to sleep in there. I'll sleep there. It's But it's it's just kind of a kind of what's happening right now in the world is that I'm we're commuting back and forth My mom is in Vegas and she's you know, she lives alone So she's got friends that are here, but it's kind of getting her back and forth into different environments and We didn't have a chance to see we had a very quiet Thanksgiving my My partner's out of town and my my stepkids were doing their thing and so we're hoping that we can get the family together Hopefully at Christmas, but it's this is the way it is right now. We're all isolated. Yeah, that's because we have this ability This is them. This is awesome. Yeah, well, yes Well, I usually ask our guests, you know during all of this this nutziness, you know How has it affected you and your business? I mean people still have to do voiceover and you still do voice over yourself too, right? Yep, I do. Um, it's we're doing Working with clients right now has really changed the dynamic of everything it's You know, I find that it's really not slowed down that much from the from the coaching perspective Just to kind of go back to what you're saying a minute ago and asking if I still perform I'm actually coaching full-time now I decided a few years ago to make that decision because this really was Was really calling to me a lot more. I found more of a joy in this than anything And so it's really become an incredible part of my work It has been amazing to me to see how we as an industry have Responded to COVID because I said this for the last seven months Who knew we were the cockroaches of corona that voice over was the one part of the entertainment business that continued to survive There have been casualties obviously several agencies have closed And and actors have kind of moved about in that way It's made work a little more challenging, but it's also made the world a hell of a lot more competitive because I know you guys Were really at the very beginning. I mean the word source connect was in the middle of George's name I mean that was just become the thing where people who didn't know what source connect was and Several clients who were very prominent voice actors really had not installed source connect in their homes And we realized that if they didn't have source connect and have home studios They couldn't work their agents were incredibly blunt with them either you have a studio at home Or you don't work so it really made everybody kind of get on their toes and really change what they were doing And it made me more aware of how to help clients get to that place where they weren't going to agents offices If they lived in LA or New York as much they were relying completely on themselves at home Yeah, so if anything if that has done anything from my work It's really up to my need to be able to get them there as quickly as possible Yeah, George and I have certainly seen that because this may have finally spelled the death knell for ISD yet Nobody's using these anymore. No, there's a Zephyr classic. There's an express Don't remember Jordan. We were going through my stuff a couple months ago about a month ago You were like you don't need that anymore. You don't need that anymore. I Had my purple. I think Shondan Ellen great voice talent Shondan Ellen loves to call it the purple VCR Yeah, the Prima a Prima the Prima was purple VCR. So I need to get one of those from my museum I eventually want to fill this whole shelf with nothing with old Garage you want mine you have it. I'll give it sounds good goes in the museum Totally, but it's that change in the business now where everything has been so streamlined that like you said Dan ISDN is It's still there, but everyone is about source connect. I mean, it's it's it's you know It's IPDT L as well, but but source connect has become the you know in the new ISDM Yeah, there's other systems being cobbled into I've been hearing that I mean some of the bigger networks are Coming up with their entirely own workflows and even writing their own software. I've seen on a rare occasion Yeah, yeah, absolutely because I think yeah, they don't want to pay the fee for source connect They don't want to they don't but I think I think actors have become at least what I've seen with with my My talent is they become much more creative in how they have been responding to work And I think particularly in animation and video games, which I don't coach But I think Bob Bergen is a perfect example of someone who's led that charge of having been working You know at Warner Brothers for so long and the studio is being very reluctant at first To work with talent isolated in their own home studios and Bob was one of these people that was so vocal going I'm not going in I'm working from home. And so I think everyone you know, particularly in those areas where they've never worked from home You guys know this they they've never really done that kind of thing and the fact that that industry has adapted To this is huge is massive and how that's going to change Commercial and promo anime animation and etc. You know post-covid. Yeah, we we've all happens Yeah, we've only been warning people for about 15 years that they have to do that But anyway, yeah, so everybody's out there and they're auditioning and they're auditioning and you know We talk about this all the time and these auditions go into this vortex and they're gone And we never hear anything back and it's very difficult to judge how well somebody is doing So it's always advised that you work with a coach to do these things I Have found I've worked with you and you just totally changed the way I look at copy and and thinking about these things You use this thing called the true tell method Which you know when put into practice and there's a there's a little bit to it. It's very very effective and Makes you sound real, which I guess is the whole point. Yeah, I mean, it's it's you know, it's been the the kind of the the Light at the end of the tunnel for me when I I've mentioned this to you guys before But the reason it was created was because I ended up developing a vocal injury I brought it about ten years ago a little over that and I went into speech But thought into speech therapy and found out from the the gentleman the doctor that I worked with who was the only doctor in the World who treated this particular disorder, which is called spasmodic dysphonia, which is a medical term for the strangled voice syndrome He basically said to me you have created a sound that you think is what? Agents and producers and casting directors want and they did to a certain extent But what I did was put a voice on top of the stories I was telling to think that that was bookable and bankable and it was Until my body gave out my voice wouldn't sustain it And so he had mentioned that we all have what's called a vocal identity and that we lead a lot of times With what we think we supposed to sound like this is prevalent with actors And it's also prevalent in the business sector as well I've also expanded the true tell for business leaders as well And I found that this is a common problem amongst people as human beings And we've all try to put our best foot forward in how we sound. I'm gonna sound authoritative I'm gonna sound like a father. I'm gonna sound like a friend and when you do that It's a disconnect from the story that you're telling because people a lot of times won't tell you that you sound Inauthentic they won't tell you sound You know, like you're trying too hard. They'll just kind of in their soul kind of go What is that? Or an agent will you won't book a job or an agent won't call you for an audition. You won't get a callback You're getting You're getting direct feedback from people as to whether you're connected to a story or you're not So the true tell was put in she was put in place to teach people to speak from what I call your 100% Authentic opinion about every single thing you talk about and Expecting that your voice is going to turn itself exactly where it needs to to convey that message One of the things I've been really harping on the last several months is We work in an audio centric business three of us do everybody else does but there's a misnomer that people have That it is about the sound That that's what books the job the truth is it's the story you tell it's the connection to what you're saying and the voice follows behind it Yeah, and there's no question about it And that's what George and I work on all the time is it's not about the sound We work with the sound to make you sound like you because the idea of a home voiceover studio is not to make you sound great It's to make you sound like you because you should already sound great because you're a good voice actor And then this isn't even about the voice you physically hear in your head I just was scrolling on a page on Facebook and somebody wrote the voice we hear in her head when we speak doesn't sound like the voice We record why no, this is a different thing. That's a physical thing Right talking about the way you act in your head exactly in the other part about the physical I don't sound the way I think I sound in playback is because we hear our voices One one thousandth of a second faster through our skull and through our ear canal So if you covered your ears, but if you were in cans But if you cover your ears you hear your voice in your skull a different way than you're hearing me and Dan's hearing me We are hearing it one one thousandth of a second slower than I am So we go to playback. You're kind of like that's not how I sound Right, and I break it to you. Yeah, plus you're hearing your voice Transmitted through Physically through your jaw and your skull skull. It's passing through Your actual structure of your head totally so it you do you always sound different to yourself Oh, you do and it's really and to give people the credit It is having been an actor for 30 years and been coaching now for 12 It's it is it is really hard particularly during COVID where you don't have the luxury if you live in LA, New York Or Chicago or even San Francisco or Seattle, you can't go to your agent's office You can't audition there or go to a casting office and what the big markets are learning from the smaller markets is What they've known all along they never get directed hardly ever they work from home And so everyone now is in the same boat where it's basically saying Well, it's sink or swim. It's you and you yourself and you it's that it's the feeling of and when I try to get Across to everybody guys is the feeling of a true story that feels effortless when you speak it Versus you struggling and trying to tell the story because you think it's what they want Yeah, you know, you're kind of you're in that ether. We're right now. There's just a black a black hole like damn Like you said once it goes out. I don't know where the hell it's going, right? Yeah, yeah, and we've made some inquiries as to where does it go and usually it's not anywhere near we where we think You know, who's who's actually listening to it and and what do they think the only time you know If you've gotten good feedback is if they say you've booked the job Or if you've got a callback or something along those lines Yeah, and then I mean you also have the times to I say that I say the talent to you also want to check in with Your your reps if you have them, I know with with pay-to-plays That's impossible because you you either book the job or you don't and that's one of the disadvantages of P2P's one of them But when it comes to agents or it comes to casting directors if you have the opportunity and build relationships, which is Absolutely the key to this business You you have the opportunity to say and I and I've said this to my agents before How many of my auditions actually are going out? Because I think actors might also have the miss the misunderstanding that just because you audition it doesn't mean they're sending it out Right because they may audition 50 to 60 voices and the clients does send me 10 Send me your top five. Send your top 15 So you want to check in with your your reps to say how many of these are actually going out? Where am I nailing it and That doesn't mean I'm telling everyone to bombard your agents tomorrow with emails and saying I want to check in But it's every once in a while once a year. Maybe once every half a year Check in and see if you're if you're getting there But the key again goes back to not relying on the agents to tell you it's really that Feeling of truth that feeling of connection. Yeah, that's maybe the cake exactly. Yeah If you're just tuning in right now, we're clicking in or whatever it is you guys all do out there on the internet We're talking with Dave Walsh of Dave Walsh voice coaching and voiceover coaching An excellent coach if you've got a question for him and I'm sure he's gonna raise all sorts of questions in your mind about How can I improve what I do? Throw it in the chat room. I know Jeff Holman's out there sitting there going please ask some questions so I can You know it yeah, so it makes it easier for us a little bit later on So let's talk about to tell just a little bit give people a little overview of what it is you teach and How it makes a difference in their delivery Well, I think the first thing is getting people to understand like I said earlier that story is king story is the absolute most important part of this work and What the truth tell what I try to do is and again, this isn't that this method is better than anybody else's It's just what I know. It's what my experience of having lost my voice and Regaining it has really kind of given me a whole other perspective on the work It's really about how you relate to The stories that you're telling because when we talk when you guys all have conversations We all talk to each other authentically because we're creating the stories and the conversations in our heads We're what I call the executive producers of those conversations every minute of the day So every visual that's flying across your brain is formed authentically and The sound of those conversations sound truthful. They sound connected and present Well, what happens is when we get into the booth and we get a piece of copy and we say, okay, they want me to be warm authoritative Average every day guy gal guy you're having a beer with And you sit in the booth and people will say okay warm authoritative every day guy right and you repeat that over and over in your head What you're trying to do is face square peg in a round hole You're trying to make it sound like what the what the speck on the page is talking about in truth That's what it's gonna sound like when you tell the story truthfully When you connect to it what we do in the work is Get you to that baseline of the foundation of why am I Dave Walsh George Wittem Dan Leonard? Why the hell am I telling the story in the first place? The purpose is really really important Absolutely, we're talking with Dave Walsh and again if you got a question throw it in the chat room So what why don't we look at some copy here? So people can get an idea of what we're talking about Okay Well, one of the things I wanted to talk about just before that but this is gonna be right into the script is How the reeds have changed one of the things you brought up at the top of the show was How COVID has changed what I do with clients I want to kind of focus a little bit for everybody out there of how the reeds have changed for them Because we live in a country right now that is so divisive as we know and I've said this I feel for any ad executive right now because we live in such a very diverse country that Certain agencies certain clients have products that are very COVID friendly and others that are not So it's trying to figure out where these reeds are At the very beginning of COVID we had what was known as the COVID read Which was because we were so in the throes of the pandemic that every read was compassionate Let's do it together Do it together So that was you know the tragedy of it was so part of the read and then as time went on The read changed to one with a slight bit of hope we wanted a little bit of that We're coming out the other side a little bit. This was coming in April into May Say we started a little bit of a of an update the surge happened in April We came down a bit in May and so as we got from May to June it became what I call the Nothing to see here read Okay Fast food companies like everything from Wendy's to Carl's Jr. To Burger King or whatever because we got the touchless delivery down With picking up the bags Let's go back to selling burgers. Let's go back to selling chicken. That's the one thing that's COVID proof The read isn't going to be happy-go-lucky, but it's not going to be Morose it's not going to be sad. It's going to be if there's one thing we can control is our fast food So going to a supermarket is a doubt and different story, but if we drive through we're fine So we still had a little bit of a COVID read and we had a been there done that read and Then we had a read come August in July were companies like Southwest Airlines KIA Enterprise rent a car created what I call the permissive read which was You might not be ready to fly yet, but we're here when you're ready You may not be able to ready to take that road trip, but we'll be here when you're ready You know something go take that road trip. We won't tell they it basically was giving people permission who are saying screw this I'm going on a road trip screw this. I'm leaving town and there were companies that didn't weren't telling people to be Nasculous, but it was saying to people take a safe road trip take a flight Southwest was probably the only airline That was talking about their cleaning procedures, etc. I don't the other airlines were doing that in print They were doing it in news reports, but they weren't doing it on television. So Those reads kind of evolved we've come now to kind of a Kind of meaning of the minds now where it's it's basically a hammock of everything We've swung back a bit to mask wearing. We've come on the other side of an election and so the reads are kind of leveling themselves out um older reads for more things that were more kind of gravitas and More of that kind of conviction they've given way slightly to more the Millennials actually can get employed again Millennials were basically not working for the last seven months as much and The read is kind of become out of that kind of heavier heavier read and kind of found a middle ground so I wanted to Just kind of bring that up to talk about kind of the state of VO particularly with commercial Promo has found itself as found at sea-legged back to where it normally is. There is more heartfelt stuff, but television has become such an escape for people that promo is responding with Escapism taking us into these individual worlds of news and children's and drama look at Hallmark Channel Hallmark Channel started its Christmases and even earlier this year so That's just kind of where I see Where all this has happened in documentaries Really have exploded Because it was a very safe way to produce when we weren't allowing people to be back in any form of a studio, right? Oh, that's where we are. Yeah, um, I wanted to sorry for kind of monopolizing here. I wanted to job I Wanted to move to one of the scripts. I sent you guys This script is a COVID script But in it still applies To a lot of the country and a lot of to Las Vegas. This was what is called a love letter to Las Vegas and It came out a few months ago And I want to kind of work with this and I picked this particularly for you Dan That I thought that your voice be perfect for this read so we're gonna use you as a guinea pig Okay, okay. Now have you had any chance to look at the script at all? Uh, no, we were very busy, but I'm looking at it now I was too busy to look look at the script quickly. Yes. Take your take your time And I'll I'll speak to you guys while Dan's doing that is it's really key in your prep To make sure you know what it is you're talking about It's not as simple as saying well, I'll just do it There's going to be scripts where you're going to look at a script and you are going to connect to it immediately because It's in your wheelhouse. It's it's something that you believe in So that thing george, you may have heard this too from people. I just I just do it I just jump in and do it That's the case with a couple of people and you could be a wunderkind that way But most people aren't built like that So the key is to look at the script and understand what it's about and understand your true tell It's what I call your 100 authentic opinion So mr. Leonard, what would you say this particular script is about? What are we dealing with here? Uh, what's the subject matter? Well, the subject matter is how COVID is affecting everything And how it's it hasn't stopped everything but There's a way that we can get through this and And what particular what particular city are we talking about on this? Oh, we're talking about las vegas Okay, we're talking about las vegas Okay, so what you say That you agree with your true tell about that story Basically saying we'll get through this right right Okay, so your true tell about that story your 100 authentic opinion is what are you connected? Do you agree with it? Oh, absolutely. No, because it's a very positive message and it's like, you know, come on over to las vegas Okay, so the key the key to this everybody is listen to the way dan said. Oh, absolutely First of all, he gave us a thumbs up secondly. He was like, oh, yeah, absolutely so there was nothing in his true tell that was kind of A barrier into him telling that story because he believes it Right, right. Now the second part of this is understanding who you're having the conversation with Right and that's anybody that's Wants to get out of where they are Right, so it's it's really a script that not only is about vegas. It's about every part of this country It's every part of this world Right, right. So is there someone in your world dan who Is negative about this doesn't have as much hope about it doesn't and i've talked to several people about this um, that really doesn't have that braver of a View of what's happening It needs at least that kind of a that kind of an assurance Yeah, I can think of a couple of people like that. Okay first name only Marcy Okay So marcy marcy doesn't really have she she's she's not as positive as you are no, okay so If you're gonna have this conversation with her we want to talk about what got us to this What's the first line of the script by the way? This is only an intermission Even guys listen to the way he even delivered that that was authentic. This is only an intermission Right It's not our final bow Not by a long shot Now all we still got each other Because if there's one thing that a city brings us People together knows it's that we always find ways to come together no matter how far apart we are And yeah, we will beat this we will in our living rooms our bedrooms our kitchens our backyards our hearts Most of all our hearts because we have a secret weapon each other Okay, so the thing I've always said about dan's read everybody is that dan is the very it's a very practical read it's saying This is the way we saw this is the way we solve the problem. He he is that he is the He is one of the solution kings of our industry. He and george is that it's all about creating the solution We'll figure it out. Don't worry. Wow. We'll try exactly exactly what we do it so what's built into what I call your vocal dna dan is it's it's It's solution. It's your it's at the base of who you are and that's not something That we want to easily change and manipulate Because one of the reasons we gave you the script is because you've got the gravitas in your voice from years in radio you've got that ability to find that That level of reason practicality That can carry the weight of the story Hope that makes sense to everyone is that dan's voice because you guys have watched him for so long And a lot of you guys know him personally There's a weight in dan's voice that we're talking about. We're not talking about the sound of his voice We're talking about the credibility that he can bring to the read Versus him trying too hard. So there's a couple of places dan I'd say You were trying a little hard. You were putting the sound before you were using the solution sound To it. So if you're having this conversation with marcy What was the conversation we call the pre-life? What was the conversation you were having with her right before this that got us to that first line that this is just an Intermission. Oh talking to her about yeah, this is never gonna end. This sucks. You know, I don't see this getting any better Everything has changed That sort of thing. Okay Where are you having the conversation with her? in our living room okay It sounds like an odd question, but when we're having conversations even this this this way we're all talking here online Where it's taking place and when those elements are so important because They create and they influence how your voice is going to sound when you tell a story You're telling a story on an airplane Those environments are going to dictate how your voice sounds. So if you're having the conversation with marcy Feed up in the living room just having a conversation And she's feeling down And you're do you have a couch that you guys sit next to each other on? Well, sometimes Sometimes it's across the room Okay, let's say tonight you're actually feeling a little you know, you want to be a little closer Okay, so we're gonna put you guys on the couch next to each other and it's just a conversation you're sharing with her And she's frightened Is she frightened? Oh, yes. Okay So it's a very very intimate conversation between you and marcy Now tell the story. Okay This is only an intermission It's not our final bow not by a long shot Not while we still got each other because if there's one thing that a One thing a city that brings us people together knows It's that we always find ways to come together no matter how far apart And yeah, we'll beat this we will in our living rooms our bedrooms our kitchens our backyards our hearts Most of all our hearts because we have a secret weapon each other George what did you think of that read versus the one before? It it felt way more real Much more real. Yeah, but I also felt like And dan I think we've talked about this before is that when I take dan's voice away from him When I take this when I take volume away notice how he's sped up That the lines where you're doing what I call chase the period where you're jumping the read is jumping too fast Because you're Think of it this way Everything and this is for everybody You're thinking about the editor who's taking the visuals of what you're talking about and marrying your audio track To what they're creating think of all of these things as a tv spot instead of a radio spot And so what he or she is going to cut together are all these visuals of what we're talking about in the script um the line of Um We'll beat this in our living rooms our bedrooms our kitchens our backyards They may be cutting between these things and they may not be but you always want to err on the side of giving the editor An upset yeah, but it doesn't mean to chop it up It just means that in your mind these visuals are changing this fast But the bigger issue for you dan is we take the volume away from you The intimacy of the conversation with marsy and it's a subconscious thing you speed it up So it's having that conversation just kind of With that one-on-one give between you and marsy There's no need to speed it up So there's a comfort in this. Um, I love that you're sitting back in the chair. Did that chair have a back on it, Dan? Okay, you sitting all the way back Okay, now I am Okay, I love that. Okay not not flop like a platypus Well, that's how it's like on our couch anyway. I don't think of anything else. I'm like, I'll say platypus. Okay So I want you just to relax the back of the chair Okay, nice and relaxed. Okay and It's a one-on-one conversation with marsy and I want you to choose between two fabrics Those of you that are watching that have done this before go on here. He comes with the fabric I want you to choose between two fabrics silk and satin. Which would you choose? Probably silk. Okay. What color? Um, silver Silver lovely. I don't get a lot of people choosing silver I want you to take a beautiful piece of silver silk and I want you to drape it Literally drape it over the words Now it's just draping over them. It's not it's just gonna flow down over it Now tell the story of marsy This is only an intermission It's not our final bow Not by a long shot Not while we still got each other Because if there's one thing a city that brings us People together knows It's that we always find ways to come together no matter how far apart And yeah, we will beat this We will In our living rooms our bedrooms our kitchens our backyards our hearts Most of all our hearts Because we have a secret weapon each other Okay, good very nice Very very nice much more much more relaxed in the read and what I what I get from that is It's what I call the front porch read There's an element to that read where it's almost like you're in the rocking chair in the front of the house Doesn't mean it's an older read. It just means it's more familial It's more of would this be right for vegas? Probably not because what they want from vegas is probably what the visuals we're going to see It's a little bit different, but I think for americana for The midwest for st. Louis for kansas city for albuquerque for phoenix doesn't matter where we go There's an element of Familiarity to it that comfort in that voice instead of it being the voice that's up here We we can you can play that till the cows come home But when we pull the volume back And get to the truth of the story And use that layering technique of the the silk or satin the reason we use that everybody is that There's a visceral reaction. I found in the soul to fabric There's a way that we connect to different types of fabric cotton wool silk satin You know, whatever flannel It affects how we feel inside So the more that you use things like that as a layering technique the more it helps the read smooth out Absolutely, and the core of this is getting to that place of truth Right and it feels for you how did it feel for you dad? It sound to felt like something I might actually say So yeah, yeah, yeah because it got us in that intimate place of Understanding the where and when where you said you and marsy might be on other sides of the room For tonight just for tonight We kind of put you on the couch next to each other because she was really feeling afraid. Yep. Yep And so when we get to that truthful place That the client isn't going to know on the other end everybody. They're not going to know what dan did They're just going to know they like it very good But that's exactly what the client's looking for from you Right. 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Thanks harlin Yeah, hi, this is carlo zellers rocky the voice of rocko, and you're watching voiceover body shop And we are back with dave walsh here on voiceover body shop talking about true tell method and How to sound real with your with your reads Uh, let's get to a couple of questions here because our vast audience out there Is totally intrigued by what you're talking about and uh, so let's get in there George you got the first question here from mr. North Sure do uh, fred north asks or says My business is primarily retainer based with radio and tv stations where I am commercial voice Um, or a conversion commercial voice. Um, I read a ton of bad scripts every day It's tough to make locally owned and operated and conveniently located sound real Any help is welcome. I know you're a highly trained staff of my friend I know you're a highly trained staff of my friendly helpful neighbors can help so um Yeah, so how do you take that stale? That stale script you've seen 800 times that local life into it. Yeah. Oh, yeah No, it's it's a it's a common question and I think You know every story every story needs to be told the the truth of this fred. Thank you for your question, by the way um The truth is the script itself doesn't know That it sucks It doesn't know that the writing is bad. It doesn't know all it knows is it needs to be told So Regardless of how much you hate the script the words aren't going to move around They're not gonna they're not going to change out the words because you don't like it. So to your point What do I do with Those common words That just feel like we've said them five million times Again, it's getting to the point where you understand that Understanding your true tell about the story Um is key. First of all, you know what the story's about. Let's take local auto auto dealerships, right? local small businesses, which please please frequent your small businesses right now everybody. Um That those reads though the writing may not be as up to snuff as you think it should be but that story needs to be told and One of the things people have had some trepidation about particularly with auto dealerships, which are much bigger in reads We call them dollar or holler sometimes that the reads are big And what I say to people is you want to stay within the event aspect of the read In other words, those those stories are about events and they want you to get them out. They're ripping read But if you connect to the story It's not going to change the sound of the read. It's going to change the connection of the read The client isn't going to fire you the client's not going to say that's not what I bought But you're on retainer with them take a chance Connect to the story and understand the dealership you're talking about if you're not a car guy or gal You're not telling that story Get out of the automotive business not as the talent but as the person that's telling the story What do I mean by that? Bottom line is we're actors This is what we do is that that's the basis of all character development that any on camera or stage actor uses They don't use themselves every character we create for stage and screen is an amalgam Of other people we know that's why actors are sponges Use that in voiceover. Is there somebody else you know in the world that can tell that story because they're an audio They're an auto file. They're an auto junkie. They love a sale. They love a deal Let them tell the story because what that does fred is it takes you it takes the weight off of you You don't need to try to roll that stone up a mountain anymore Roll it back down and let your characters tell the story And these characters are people in your life people that you know people that can can tell that Don't ever throw the baby out with the bath water and be like well, I'm not connected to this It's a terrible, terrible writing and I hate the client. I'm not going to bother auditioning No I wouldn't be worth my weight as a coach if I told you to do that There's always a way through So if it's either not you telling the story who else in your world can't tell it Good point There you go. All right Next question is from Jason leech for dave Since yes, you're the guest here As you are obviously up on the commercial voyeur market as a whole Where do you go to the most? Where do you go to the most to do that research? I spot youtube etc. Where do you you know if you've got you know, you want to find out about what it is You're reading about right. This is a great question. Thank you for jason. Um It's all of those it's everything The the one thing that I've always loved is I came from the world of research before I was an actor I was a research director for paramount television So I've always been a research geek And I've loved always diving into knowing the why of things and what how things connect to connect together So I've never been anything but researching commercials that I've auditioned for jobs I've done promos for networks and shows I've done trailers and documentaries all of those things And this speaks to a bigger issue jason other than just commercial. It's the entire industry It's every single client you have every script is the honor It you you owe it to the client you owe it to the writer to do your research or do your homework Because they took the time to write it the amount of time it takes these clients to Write the scripts get them approved by marketing and by legal And by the clients themselves that work is so much it's so tedious for them We get the script. Sometimes we say no, I'll just read it That's a disrespect to the script and it's a disrespect to the client So the research particularly for commercial Is things like I spot is things like the five second commercials that are on youtube And I'm I will say It is television watching guys. It is radio listening It is listening and watching what is what's happening. I did a An interview with robin armstrong and tina morasco as part of that's voiceover last weekend. I hosted it and before I jumped into that session with them I spent three hours Going through network after network after network and local affiliate going through commercials And listening to because that session was all about commercials And I wanted to do a quick tap in to if anything has changed in the last few weeks Because if it has it's bringing that up in the dialogue with people And so know that the auditions that you're getting jason are real time These aren't auditions of things that were written three months ago These are things that were written in the last several weeks if not the last several days And it's current so it's staying on top of the work as best as possible. That's that's That's what I do All right one from finessa james mr. Whitton Oh, yes finessa james. Uh, what are your tips on elevating your overall delivery to make the audition as palatable as possible To the casting agent Are there any no-knows to stay away from? Um Yes, stop telling lies Yeah, well The question I have for you finessa by the way, thanks for the mess the question is think about How it feels for you. I guess I would ask this if we were sitting face to face or zoom to zoom um How often do you feel like the auditions you're sending in don't feel connected? You know, we we have this you know this feeling of we as human beings Conversations with people where we're not really connected to them. We avoid them at all costs. You guys know this I mean, it's like you don't there are people you don't want to spend time with if you're obligated to You know how that feels when you're like the tightness in your stomach where you're like, oh, I gotta do this But you know how it feels when you're speaking with somebody where it's effortless Where there is that connection back and forth to give and take It's so easy and it's the same thing in the booth finessa Do you feel connected? Do you how do you feel when you're reading the script? Do you think that you're connected to it because I guarantee you if you are The casting director will hear it the producer will hear it and the agent will hear it If you're not connected the same thing will happen I say to clients all the time connection sounds connected Disconnection sounds disconnected. It's what I call audio math. Yeah We got time. Yeah, we got time for one more question here and it sort of goes back to what we were talking about earlier when you're saying Are you in that chair? This is eddie young says would sitting down when recording help more with the relaxed kind of read Thanks, eddie. Hope you're well. Um, hey from hong kong um It depends on What's comfortable for you if you feel more relaxed standing Stand if you feel more relaxed sitting sit. I that's I started out my career Like kind of half sitting and then I found that it it compressed my reads too much So I stood and standing basically has become My thing every once in a while I might sit but depends on what makes the most sense for you um as a performer All right Well, Dave it's always a super duper pleasure having you on here Almost as much fun as actually working with you as a coach and as a psychologist I try I try I I want to thank you guys again so much for um, this is my third time with you guys And I I've always been really really thankful for the support you guys have given me a platform You've given me and you give all of us. I mean you guys, you know There are a few of us in this business that really really have taken the time to become You know Icons become kind of the leaders of the message you guys and a few other folks obviously Are doing that and I want to thank you guys for everything you do for us. It's just it's invaluable Greatly appreciated, but we certainly appreciate you being with us and uh if they want to get a hold of you Where's where's where can they get a hold of Dave walsh the voiceover coach? They can get uh in touch with me through my website, which is walsh WALSH voiceover coaching.com. There it is right there. There it is right there Uh, or you can email me at david walsh for server coaching.com. Um, I'm also on insta and on twitter. Um, As well as a linkedin. All right. He's everywhere. He's everywhere. We're everywhere. That's right. Dave walsh everybody Guys, thanks again. Everybody have a wonderful and very safe holiday. Thank you. All right, you too Alrighty, well george and i'll be right back to wrap things up and get ready for tech talk right after this In a world of voices one place wasn't v. 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