 All righty, it's Monday night once again, and we're here for voiceover body shop a little bit on the geeky side Yes Yeah, my kind of show that to geeky. We're gonna try and keep it simple Durin Gleaves is gonna be joining us from Adobe audition. He's a product manager there and We're gonna learn a little bit more about this deep and powerful yet Extremely useful software for voice actors. Yes, we are we've been this door No, I've seen it many trade shows like a s nam and a b It's so cool that we finally got him for the show right here It's been a very busy week for them over to Adobe last week. Yes, and it's been a very busy week for us Yes, well, and we'll talk about doing that We'll talk about our travels and some of the cool stuff we did this last week and why we weren't here last week All that your questions and all sorts of stuff coming up on voiceover body shop right now two men Twin sons from different mothers with a passion for voiceover recording technology and The desire to make recording easy for voice actors everywhere together in one place George Whidham the home studio engineer to the stars a Virginia Tech grad with an unmatched knowledge of all the latest gear and technology in voiceover today Dan Leonard the home studio master a voice actor with over 30 years experience in Broadcasting and recording and a no-holds-barred myth-busting attitude for teaching you how easy it is together To bring you all the latest technology today's voiceover superstars and Leading the discussion on how to make the most of your voiceover business This is voiceover body shop Voiceover body shop is brought to you by voiceover essentials calm home of Harlan Hogan signature products Source elements remote connections made even easier Vio to go go calm Everything you need to be a successful voiceover artist J. Michael Collins demos award-winning demo production voice actor websites calm where your voiceover website won't be a pain in the butt and voiceover extra your daily resource for Vio success and Now live from their super secret multimedia studio in Sherman Oaks, California Here are George Whidham and Dan Leonard Good evening. I'm Dan Leonard and I'm George Whidham and this is voiceover body shop or V.O. B.S. Wow, listen to that audience Luminous audience. Yes. Well, we're back After a week off Although it's hardly a week off a week off. Yeah, I know we'll talk about that in a second But during Gleaves is our guest tonight a little bit later on we're gonna talk about Adobe audition. Yep And he's got all the answers. He's gonna it's like he's we're gonna be spelunking through Adobe audition Wow, look at this thing here. You've heard us talk about it a lot on the show But if there's questions about some of the features that maybe we haven't talked about before some of the things you may not Heard of this is one you guys should be watching because you're gonna learn a lot of little things along the way. Absolutely All right. Why were we not here last week? Well, if you were you know paying attention You would know that George and I went to Uncle Roy's Barbecue in Bloomington, New Jersey. Yes, we did along with a lot of other things now I had quite the odyssey. I know you you were in New York Not quite as audience. No, I had to go a lot of places. So Let let me explain here what happened You just roll that George and I flew from California to New Jersey and then we got off the plane got a lift went over to Uncle Roy's and There was a great party. They said party will show you some music from that then I had to go back to Buffalo So a friend of mine and I drove back to Buffalo But that wasn't the end of it Then I had to go to Rochester for a meetup group which was great Then I had to drive back to Buffalo the next thing you know that night Yeah, the next day on Thursday had a drive to Toronto to see our good friend Pat Sweeney was doing very well Oh good and then came back saw some cousins and friends and flew back to California and that was That was your version The head I mean if you don't include the 2,500 miles there 2,500 miles back and the extra thousand miles I had to drive through Pennsylvania and New York and Ontario oh man and crossing the border and of course when we were over Iowa was when I remembered that I did not bring my passport oh So that was FedEx to to you. It was FedEx to my cousins in Buffalo and it was waiting for me when I arrived So it was it was quite the odyssey and there's a lot of different stories that go on in each one of the The different parts of that got the farm on Facebook if you want to hear more Yeah, there's more and you went you you went to the opera. Well, yeah, well kind of okay I didn't get to see a performance, but I did see it I got a backstage tour from my my good old Virginia Tech colleague Daniel Telemante's who's singing the role of Traskita and Carmen for the fourth year in the row at the Met, which is pretty exciting We got a little look backstage, which was really cool Did you know that underneath the stage of the Met? They have an entire another room That's exactly the same size as the stage So they can rehearse lay everything out and then they have a thing that pops actors up out of the right Wow Freak it's the Met. It is amazing place And then I got to meet with another Virginia Tech grad who's an audio engineer at WNYC radio She does tougher Carnegie Hall That was really cool. So it was a real fun time Then I took a train down to Philly saw a client in Philadelphia Then a train out to Westchester spent the rest of the week with my family my birthday was there on Thursday Happy birthday once again. Thank you. It was a lot of fun And then I'd spent some time with my my brother's show My brother is a spot operator at Ford that we saw a Vita. Oh, it was an off Yes, off off off Broadway Well could have been on Broadway in Philadelphia. Yeah, but yeah And then we had a great big party and I saw Longwood Gardens It was a beautiful visit and I'm glad to be back, but I'm a bit tired Yeah, I got up at 12 30 a.m. Pacific time this morning to get here Yeah, I got back on Friday. I slept all weekend. I mean you lose three I mean we gained three hours coming back, but it's like, you know burn candles both ends. That's what I'm doing right now Absolutely coffee Ready to go game. Yeah, we're doing this. All right. Boom. Well, anyway, Uncle Roy's party. Yes That was a great party It was we've been to a couple of those and that one was the best one I've seen especially since we were both there at the same time. Well, that helps because that's the first one I think we were both at together. Yeah, so but just a little example of some of the music that was there If in case you lift missed the live broadcast There is live streams that you can catch online if you dig around, but here's a clip. It's on our Facebook page This one is Yeah, so it was it was a lot of fun Yeah, we had a and we had a great time all sorts of friends saw Paul Strickler there Yeah, it was looking and sounding much better and we sang a song to Uncle Roy And that was really key. It was a lot of fun. Yeah, so well, we had a great time We missed you all last week, but we were having our own time but we got a we got a great bunch of shows coming up through November and Also, we got to remind people we've got a big live concert Coming up here We do a sober body shop on November 5th And if you're here in LA and you want to come down to the voiceover body shop or next to it We're gonna have a backyard concert with Sully Konto our good friends Brian and Rosie Amador and their daughter Lisa and They're fabulous. Yeah, and it'll be a backyard concert 20 bucks you go to our way our our Facebook page and there's a link there for brown paper tickets I think it's called okay, cool. You can you know for 20 bucks. It's a donor suggested donation. Yeah You know extra proceeds will go to Puerto Rican hurricane relief. That's right. So that'll be great. All right Well, that's a lot of news, but it is but right now. It's time for voiceover body shop presents the beyond BS voice over extra news All the information you need for a successful voice over career Alrighty voice over extra news for October 22nd organize your marketing email lists Where do you keep the records of your voice over prospects and clients? You know, there's a lot of client-relation management software tools for this but an But a no-cost option that many working pros use is simply to create spreadsheet lists Michael Langzer is one of those voiceover pros who reports Success with creating lists that he creates for many uses, but there's an early caution Simply creating a spreadsheet of people's names and email addresses leaves a lot to be desired In an article coming tomorrow to voiceover extra Michael details how to create and use those lists Efficiently and effectively first he says decide what info to store in each list and how Michael suggests storing names in two separate fields one for first name and one for last name Don't combine these in just one box this way in an email promo You can personally address your prospects just by first name Of course also create a separate field for company name And Michael creates separate lists for prospects and actual clients You'll likely want to address each group differently in your promotions And you might want to send promotions to each different frequencies All that is pretty simple. So now let's jazz it up with tags and segments my favorite stuff Play with your spreadsheet tool to see how to use them Basically, these tools allow you to further subdivide your lists into useful groups For instance, you might subdivide your prospects and clients by type of company or work They do such as video production company animation studio e-learning developer and so on You can fill in more details about this in the article at voiceover extra calm We also see links to two earlier articles from Michael that tells us more about how to set up a CRM system And how to use these lists effectively in social media all this and many hundreds more How two articles await you now at voice over extra calm your daily resource for voice over success All right. Do you use a CRM thing like any? I use quick books and I take notes and I keep track. I'm terrible with this stuff You know technology, you know, I know technology audio fabulous get me into spreadsheets And I'm like, huh, can you help me with this? You know that sort of thing You know I threw a client lead actually one of my voiceover clients told me about a CRM system that he made use of And now I've been using for over a year It's called V Sita V C I T a It's I like it because it integrates a few functions one I can charge for a service and two they can book the service and it's all done in one flow So they pay then get access to the calendar and then book the service. It works reasonably well I mean if any of you guys have booked any of my services at George the tech calm in the last year You've probably used it How is it relevant to voice actors? Some voice actors, I think I've had success of scheduling sessions that way, right? You know, I think it depends on the type of client you're doing right, but it's also a CRM And it has a newsletter function and I used that exact tags thing He was talking about in the article to create a list of people who are in the region where I'm going Right, so I made a tags list for New York and Pennsylvania Sent out an email blast that only went to 30 or 35 people But the beauty of that is it's targeted and it doesn't feel like spam, you know Yeah, well next week Jonathan Tilly is gonna be with us We're gonna have an interview with him and he's an expert in this stuff inside out backwards and oh geez Yeah, oh, yeah, that'll be totally different. Yeah. Yeah, all righty. Well, we've got during gleaves coming up in just a little bit We've got some of your questions and some tech stuff coming right up after these incredibly important messages This is the Latin Lover narrator from Jane the Virgin Anthony Mendez and you're enjoying Dan and George on Voice over body shop. 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Alrighty, we're back here on voiceover body shop, you know, we missed Working with you know, I mean we both had appointments while we were there, you know I mean I got a weird call last Thursday. Somebody said, you know, I've got a problem with my mic You would have referred to me by somebody and I'm like where are you should go as Brooklyn You're in luck, I will be in Brooklyn next Monday somewhere in Brooklyn and I was And was able to see a client and you were able to see clients in Philadelphia. Yeah, which train were you off of G train? Oh, no, no, it was the it said it was said D train But somehow I ended up on the B train and the B train stopped at Eastern Parkway because there was a murderer or something farther down Hey, you don't get off the train. You're going all the way to Flatbush. Oh, okay I've been an express or right. It was nuts and I ended up walking a whole lot of I used to cross Patchwood Cross quilt of MTA trains and link and and ubers and stuff to get around where I had to go But it is it is a great transportation system. You don't need a car in New York It's pretty amazing because that's other guys have cars you can just hey pick me up here Take me there. It's depending on where you are in town the lifts are our key absolutely, but We were doing our job and our job is to take care of your home voiceover studio. Yes, it is that's what we do and It is you can you can email us or you can go to our websites to really see what it is We do and if you want to work with George who knows more about home voiceover studios than almost anybody go to George Wittem, that's you that's your name. Oh George the tech dot com Towards the tech comm is my home on the web with menus of services I offer you can do things on demand you can schedule or you can do self-service things where you send me the files and I send Them back such as my racks and stacks I could do audition racks for you or you can just send and start it sound for a sound check To make sure your audio is sounding the way it should and does something we kind of like that over at Home voiceover studio comm yes, I do and I've got my specimen collection cup Click on that put your audio in there as an mp3. There's instructions on how to do it follow the instructions to the T Please we always ask right and and then I will analyze it for it for you And generally if you listen to some audio within five seconds sometimes less You and I know exactly what's going on and if it sounds right it is right, so That's what we do and for 25 bucks. You can get me to analyze your audio if you need More help than that we can set that up as well and you do consult So we do stuff on-site if you're here in LA and or in Philadelphia or happen to be in your city Just make sure and find us get on our newsletter list so you know what's going on all right Well, we got a couple of questions this week. Thank goodness. Yay. We love questions Is this something to talk about I know well, we always have plenty to talk about but now this is an interesting one This one is from Jack in Fresno, California the home of raisins I wonder if they call the baseball team the raisins there Not to ask Anyway, how do you break down the recorded stuff to an mp3 to send out? Okay, all right. Well a number of things missing from this question like what software you use right? Who are you sending it to what are you recording you know that sort of thing, but it's pretty simple Well since we happen to be talking about audition tonight. Yeah, let's talk about it in the context of audition All right, so you record your audio and We recommend waveform view because that's the simplest to use for most people When you're finished editing the audio and you have it the way you like At that point you do save as or you can export selection, right? Or edit it down to the entire file to what you want, right? If it's export selection you can highlight a piece of audio and export only that right some people like to work that way At that point when you're doing the save as then you'll be prompted What format you're gonna be save it to save it to right and it's gonna be almost always wave or mp3 Right, I mean how often have you been asked for anything other than one of those two at 1% of the time in AI FF Okay, yeah, but never a flak never an ag vorbus I mean they give you all of these choices But it's a lot of options. Yeah look for mp3 And then make sure your settings for the mp3 are set correctly. Make sure you have it to the right bit rate Which is usually 128 if we're doing mono audio Um, and then at that point you're at that point able to save out to an mp3 And save it to where you know, you'll find it. Yeah, that's another thing Make sure you tell it which folder to put it in Otherwise, it's going to put it where adobe wants to put it, which isn't necessarily where you want it Right, it might be buried in a subfolder somewhere. So make sure you've chosen the location Um, that's really all there is to it. So if you happen to be watching the show live tonight jack We know a lot of jacks from presuming. It's not one of the two that we know right that are involved with the show It's not the jack. We know it's the jack in fresno Stuff the road But if you're watching jack put the chat room what software you're using maybe before the end of the show We can give you more direct answer based on what you actually use although usually it's Simply file save as and that usually does it almost any software has that a similar function. Right exactly. Yeah Alrighty, here's a slightly longer question seems to be more of an editorial than anything else All right, let's see what we're doing this one. It's from attic from ireland Okay from the emerald isle. He says hi lads Thought I would send a quick email as I have heard you recently getting very excited about the new mixer face mixer Uh, but has anybody ever considered the zoom h5 or h6? Great machine that has a built-in audio interface allowing you to connect to a laptop or ipad So in theory you could use it with something like twisted wave on an ipad when you're on the move and to record an edit Apparently the new updated preamps on the zoom h5 and 6 have made huge improvements over the older sibling the h4 Which I've seen plenty of times Plus the h6 and h5 are now very reasonable to purchase not that they weren't before I've recently bought the h6 which has plenty of extra xlr jack inputs for extra input sources That can be recorded as separately separately as tracks on the unit at the same time great for podcasting And I've seen it done for that I think this is maybe a great option for voiceovers on the move allowing you to travel lightly By just bringing your powered microphone ipad and zoom unit and leads to connect of course Uh, just wondering if any of your viewers use or have used this setup and what their comments are on it Thanks lads. Enjoy the banter every week and you're getting lots of it this week. Um, yeah, um Have you played with any of the zoom stuff yet? Uh, you know, I work on podcasts with people and uh, They're very popular they well because you can record individual tracks with it Which allows you to play games with the you know the so everybody makes in post. Yes, exactly. Yeah. Yeah It's like sync it up do that kind of stuff But the the zooms I mean as As an option it certainly could work Yeah, I mean it comes down to Features versus function sometimes so like zooms are notorious not notorious That's not fair to say but they're known for having a lot of features baked into a very, you know Package, yeah, right. So and they can do so they can do a lot Well, the more something can do the more chances that you may have trouble getting it to do what you want it to do So sometimes we like to err on products that are simpler that do fewer things but do those things really really well And that's sort of the to me the case of mixer face versus zoom The mixer face has no menu system No, you know, you don't have to install drivers You don't have to dig through pages of documents just it's super through it It's so simple like all the controls to operate it or are right on the top or a couple switches on the front I mean, it's very simple to set up and use and that's that's why for for my purposes I would like the mixer face more But the zoom obviously can do things the mixer face can't it's got microphones built in The h5 and the h6 have interchangeable onboard mics with they have like an omni mic a stereo A shotgun mic. I mean, they're they're really cool with for what they do One thing that i'm i'm i gotta find out from mixer face I believe it can do this for an extra roughly hundred dollar option You can upgrade it to an s micro sd card and now your mixer face is also a recorder. Yeah The question I have which I believe is yes, but we'll find out Is that the mixer face can record to that little micro sd card at the same time? It's an interface on usb So it'll be recording to your computer And recording internally simultaneously so back up. I don't believe the zooms can do that It doesn't mean they won't someday. Maybe that's something they can upgrade or bought firmware update I don't know, but it's not something right now that you can do with the zoom The sound devices mix pre three. I believe it is is one that can do that A little bit more money Roughly twice as much, you know But if you're looking for that kind of a feature that might be more useful But yes, if you have a zoom h5 or an h6 Do you should you go buy a mixer face? You probably don't need it if you already have the zoom Mastered you know how to operate it. You get it if it does what it wanted to do You're probably fine We haven't had an opportunity yet to shoot out the mic pre amps to see You know everything sounds the same nowadays the gear is getting so good that it's rare You find a real stinker especially at that price point because the zoom I think it starts around 300 The mixer face is 300 and that price point the pre amps are really good nowadays So you should be able to get a good result either way I wonder if durin has some ideas about that as well. He might have some We're gonna ask him about that in just a little bit. So, uh, so hopefully that answers your question And again, if you have any technical questions for us Best way if you want to get it on the show is to write to us at the guys at v obs dot tv And we will answer that question if we deem it appropriate to ask to answer You know, but they're all in all questions are good questions That was a good question and that was an interesting response to There's just so much stuff out there the thing is there's so many options these days, right? So I've always like yes, but or I need more information I can't give you good answers without more information, but hopefully that clears up a little bit All right enough of our banter durin gleaves will be joining us from adobe audition We've been waiting for this for a long time So he'll be right with us in just a couple of minutes after these incredibly important announcements. So stay right where you are Hi, this is bob bergen and eat that the porky pig and you're Loving the voice everybody shot bucks everybody before we get to durin here I do need to put a spot in here for our good friends at source elements when I say friends I really mean it. I ran into robert marshal source elements just over last week in new york city. 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You won't be caught with your pants down. Be ready We'll be right back in just a minute with thuring leaves from adobe audition Are you confused about how to set up and maintain a professional quality voiceover studio? No wonder the information out there is mostly mythology This is the best microphone to use. You have to have a preamp. You need a soundproof booth This software is the best your audio must be Broadcast quality Consult with someone who knows the truth someone who's been there in the trenches doing voiceover for over 30 years Someone with unparalleled experience with voiceover studios Who's worked with hundreds of voice actors and designed hundreds of personal studios? He knows how to teach and cares about your success In one of the harshest environments known to voiceover your home Dan Leonard the home studio master Separate myth from fact and get a handle on your personal voiceover studio Contact the home studio master at home voiceover studio.com. All right, let's introduce our guest Duran Gleeves is a product manager for audio at adobe defining new workflows and directions For adobe audition premiere pro and other tools He'll share the gospel of great sound sharing tips and stories for voice actors and artists using adobe audition All right, that's a grand introduction. Duran Gleeves. Welcome to voiceover body shop Hey, thanks. Yeah, no I have to live up to that. Yeah, really Boy, no of course his audio sounds perfect. He does He's got it set up nicely over there. We get people on zoom and they're talking through their laptops. No He's what is that a u87 there and no, this is a samson co3 I was trying to debate between that and it's not really hard on microphone So I don't get budget to buy expensive ones Well, you know what it sounds great You know it does it does a good mic in the in the right spot And are you in an actual studio space because it sounds acoustically pretty dead in there? Nope, uh, this is just uh, my little bedroom office Dialing in from home. So what you see behind me is not fancy gear. It's an old 70s sansui 60 60 and sansui, all right There's a name you don't hear often except the old stereos and stuff Nice So tell us a little bit about yourself with your background and how did you end up at adobe? Which is a big Important company There yeah, they've gotten pretty big um Yeah before you know when I was uh a lot younger much younger now that I do the math You know, I spent a lot of time I was in college. I did a little I dabbled with college radio a little bit I always enjoyed CB radio when I was a kid, you know wiring the old an old CB radio I found in the garage wiring it up directly to the battery of my parents nova Somehow I survived that I didn't electrocute myself cut from the same clock it sounds like And uh, yeah, and then I I I got interested in in audio production mainly for Uh, what was going to end up being large-scale art projects. Um, some of which may have contained massive amounts of fire and explosions On purpose But didn't find a lot of uh You know wasn't going to be a musician. I was never that good and I never really wanted to practice that much Um another commonality Like I'm looking into a mirror here um And uh, yeah, then uh got involved, you know, I was always a bit of a hacker So I got involved in the tech industry pretty early, uh during the uh the the couple waves back in the mid 90s and Uh, eventually an opportunity came where I combined the two my love of tech and hacking and tinkering and software and my love of Playing with sound and making people sound funny and making them sound great Uh, and that was four over 14 years ago. I've been there ever since Wow, and it's uh, you know, they run everything. I mean, I mean, I mean we use audition but Premiere I learned how to edit video on premiere And I mean like Like 18 years ago. Yeah, I was started using premiere and uh, and of course photoshop And of course something in Adobe audition. I tend to Refer to as the photoshop for audio the spectral view editor. Yes, we'll talk about the spectral view editor, which uh Great great feature. I think one of the things that I really liked about it So tell us a little bit about the history of audition and and where it came from and uh, How it developed into what it is today Yeah, well great timing. We just ended a the summer of sound celebration kind of uh Really reminiscing about over 25 years now of audition and cool at it before that So originally back in the early 90s Um, uh, Microsoft I didn't even know if he was a developer at the time. He may have still been, uh put in boxes of Windows 3.0 into into shrink wrap But he worked at Microsoft David Johnston And in his free time he developed software and he developed, uh cool at it the original cool at it and uh, They started Centrillion which really kind of put cool at it out there It coincided well with the switch The migration of North American radio stations from the old tapes and cartridges into a digital work workflows So they were starting to actually trust computers to record to do some basic editing to get things up onto the playback systems And cool at it was the application of choice. It was fast. It was cheap It worked really well. It had a lot of things that other applications didn't at the time And so they really, uh Really embraced that and we're really popular with with radio stations to this day Some of those older versions of audition and even in some stations cool at it Is still our biggest our biggest competition in those environments Yeah, I mean, I think it's probably because Windows is the Windows for whatever reason is is what is often or most often used in radio production facilities, right? So Yeah, any any system that runs on Windows probably is probably what's going to be used most often But I hear that a lot when I when I work with a new voice actor But who's not new to the business if there's any touch of radio in their voice Almost always they're going to be using cool at it or adobe 1.5 1.5 or 3.0 Yeah, which is which is great. I'm thrilled that the things we wrote 10 15 years ago are still running so well today They are for the most part. Yeah, they are. Yeah, although Still best I would think to update to the latest version of something even though that they're a bit more complex But uh more features more stable engine faster running that sort of support to yeah, and of course support If you're more current you're gonna be able to get support Right right and how far back how far back do you guys Support it has to be a creative cloud version to get support Anymore. Yeah, so when adobe shifted to the creative cloud model Um, we had legacy support. I think up to five years for the cs6. Yeah cs55 era After that everything going forward because Um as part of cc. You always have access to the latest version So we tend to support not as far back Although we'll we'll certainly do what we can if it's if it's a mission critical that it's stay on an older version Yeah, all right. What you're gonna ask about the sound studio No, I'm sorry. That's down. What was the older version? I was the wind. What was the mac version? Oh, oh, oh, there was there was a sound sound sound is the one I used Yeah, when did that how did that come and merge together? Well, so adobe acquired uh centrallium back in 2003 Right, uh, we put a couple versions out but up up to that point audition was always windows only there was never a mac version um And adobe decided we were going to start creating these these things we were going to call the creative suites Um, and one of the requirements to be part of creative suite was had to be cross-platform had to be mac and windows uh We let's uh, we had some engineers some mac engineers take a look at the uh windows only code You know 15 years of windows only code. They laughed at us with when we started our timeline was about 12 months to do a port so uh What we did was we we created sound booth. It's sort of a temporary Fill the gap as an audio application that could be cross-platform. It was built on top of the premier Premiere pro engine So it was it was easy to build on top of but it had some limitations premiere was was uh frame-centric instead of sample based It uh Some good some bad But the goal was really to make something that was simple That was focused on video editors and what was a very big part of our Membership at the time or our user base at the time which was flash developers Something they could use to build sound effects to do recording to clean up voiceovers and narration It had some really cool features in there that's uh, we don't even have an audition today But ultimately we finished the porting audition. We did a ground up rewrite of the entire application kept all the original dsp, of course but the The foundational code was all modernized built for modern workstations Exactly the same on mac and windows with a few minor format exceptions And uh, eventually audition replaced sound booth as the audio application of choice in the creative suites and now in creative cloud yeah now when when I first started using it and and why generally recommended to people it's because uh sound booth and then audition Really is designed for Creating audio tracks for video that was that's the workflow that it has and uh Other other software primarily made for making music with all the multi-tracking you can do that with the dobi audition But it's really designed for as you said layering sound effects music with voice specifically, which uh Is why I like it for voiceover. It's got a workflow that works for voiceover Where something like pro tools or reaper or some of these other Uh pro logic, uh logic pro. I forget. I don't even use them uh They're really designed for multi-tracking music and production composing right that kind of thing right I mean, you know, we get into these we get into little debates about what's the best dog What's the best thing with our user base, I should say But it's it's um so it comes down to tools that do the jobs we need quickly And I just I like that audition has sort of like it's Two personality Way of operating you can stay in waveform view and happily stay there And not delve into the multi-track world at all if you don't need to but It's there when that day comes where you actually need it. You know, I love that about that so What what is it about adobe audition that can help the average non technically minded voice actor non tech well We we really try and bridge, you know, audition is an incredibly deep application and You know, if you start adding features, I mean, I'm sorry You start adding effects and some of these you open these effect you interfaces and you might see all these knobs and buttons and obs obscure parameter names And for the geeks among us, we love that stuff. We love being able to you know, oh, I have so much control but at the same time That can be Really off-putting to somebody who's whose whose job is to Maybe create audio but their job is not to be an audio pro and not to their audio is just what they deliver or what they're creating in pursuit of of something else some other goal and so They're not necessary as a user who's not necessarily as excited by All the parameters and all the depth of some of these effects and so we've really tried to Tuck as much as we can into, you know, this is the advanced parameters if you probably aren't going to need these Stick to everything that's up here And more and more you're seeing a lot of our new effects are coming out that are much more simplified user interfaces And we don't want to just create a black box where you don't have any clue what's going on And you don't have any control over what comes out, but we want to make it simple enough so that you get good results upfront with the defaults and then if you want to get a little creative or spend some time you can continue to tweak it but If we can get you 85 of the way there without having to lift a finger then you get to decide Is it worth your time and effort to to do the Do the to do the work to get the other 15 percent to get Perfection what are your favorite features? I mean this thing is like you start going through the menus. It's like what does that do? Uh, fortunately, there's a lot of presets in it Which are fun to work with and start and get an idea how things work But what are your favorite features that are that are built in? My favorite feature in not just audition but I think anything that we've got at adobe here Is uh, it's actually one of the few music related features we have in audition, which is called remix And it's as close to black magic as anything I've ever seen It's a machine learning based feature. So it was it was it's trained on on music And it's really just able to go in it analyzes any song you can something you've licensed off a stock music site Your buddy's garage rock band a recording or you know, if you get a license or you rip something from a cd Doesn't matter. It looks at any piece of music. It Does a bunch of analyses eight or nine analyses. I can bore you with the geekery behind it But essentially it looks at each beat nine different ways Comes up with this mesh this web of how well every beat can fade and crossfade and blend into every other beat in the song Such that you can then come and say, you know, this song was four and a half minutes long, but my advertisement spot or my my my presentation is only 90 seconds And I just need a 90 second version that doesn't just cut off arbitrarily Or that I don't have to go and splice and cut and crossfade and try and do it all myself um It does one analysis takes a couple seconds and then all these infinite variations are instantaneous and it does such a good job that It you know, it's it's one of those things I don't want to put people out of a job You know people who can go bill six hours or eight hours because they did a remix for somebody for a say a commercial spot But it's so good that you can probably get away with continuing to bill six hours and only take 45 seconds I like that one You know what that's the thing when you're innovating with new product new features things that you know are really You know on the borderline of of taking quote-unquote jobs, right? You know, it's like whenever we do You know electric big rigs that self-drive someday and take away truck You know, there's progress is that's something about progress But these tools when used by people that actually know how to make them do their job Efficiently and well ends up being good for everybody because you're not really taking away a job You're making someone's job more efficient and allow them to produce more and more quickly, right? Yeah, and and that's certainly what's a lot of so adobe's artificial intelligence and machine learning initiative is called adobe sensei and Really it's the goal is not to go and replace everybody's job or make robots that make all of our content for us but just to simplify the the mundane repetitive tasks that are prone to Fatigue, you know one of the features that we have is Auto-correcting loudness and you know if it's just a couple clips or a Piece of audio here a couple pieces of vo that's no big deal But if you've got a timeline that's that has you know 70 clips and they've all come from different microphones or different speakers and some are nice and loud and Somebody's moving around Being able to just select them all and say make these all the same relative to each other And then I can go through and make any creative decisions up and down that I want But I don't have to go through and then an hour later realize I was just getting louder and louder and louder and louder and now I got to start over It's it's insane. So things like that where it's really tuned to let me help you do the Terrible part of this job and then you get to just focus on the awesome part of the job Is is really our focus for what we're doing around that. Yeah creativity is number one with with voice actors Because we're trying to be busy Performing uh, if you're just joining us our guest is durin gleeves who is a product manager at adobe And uh, he works on adobe audition and he's going to explain some of it to us So if you've got questions about adobe audition and who doesn't uh, throw them in the chat room right now Uh in facebook or in our chat room and jack daniel who is suffering a little bit with something He's got a bug, but he's at home. He's not with us tonight, but he's still online He is watching and he is watching and he is monitoring the chat room He will get that question to us and uh, we will get that on We'd love to get a demonstration of some of the features that it has Uh that people really need uh for voice acting and for all the other uh recording Applications that there are there. So what one question I have is How do you find all these features? I mean come on. It's It's just menu after menu and then preset after preset and I guess it's just a matter of playing with it Well that a little bit. Yeah. I mean there's there's a couple different avenues Yeah, there's so much that you certainly couldn't no one expects you to just Nobody knows everything that's that's in the app case in point I've been in this application probably more than most people in the world And just about a year and a half ago I decided we needed a feature to be able to nudge clips on the with the keyboard Just look man to nudge it left nudge it right just a couple couple samples milliseconds And uh, so I wrote up a feature request. We got it into the backlog. I was looking up to Figure out what keyboard shortcuts were available and realized that the feature had been there for about four years I know I've used it That's great. It happens I can share my screen if you would please show us how that works. They work in rehearsal. Yeah. Yeah Okay Awesome. Well, I'll tell you the first thing to know is The biggest secret to audition is right click Everywhere right click where you think you want to be able to do something If there's something I want to be able to do here in the waveform view Right clicking in there usually gives me Most of the commands that I can do in that location with that with whatever that is if it's a selection I can save the selection if there's no selection I can't save the selection. So it kind of gives you, you know, wherever you happen to be if it's something file based You can right click on the file. You want to do something if it's how do I make the play head do something different? There's the options you right click everywhere That's called the uh contextual menu. I think they call that Yeah, right click menu context menu on mac. It can be control click control click on mac, right? Yeah, if you don't have your You don't do what's what's right and proper and set up Yeah, the purest apple users will never have a right click. How dare you? I can't imagine um So that would be that's that's number one If you're looking for something else You can go into the keyboard shortcuts And this not only gives you kind of a nice look at what the you know, what your keyboard is is doing at the time But you can you can search for commands here. So if I wanted to know What I can do to say ripple delete I can start typing ripple, which is maybe in that you're not looking for ripple delete But if you know what that is Uh, you can search for it and that only not only shows you the different commands that we can do Um with the you know different types of ripple deletions But you can you can customize your own shortcuts for them too. So this is something I do all the time I want to ripple delete a gap in a selected track over in multi-track But there's no default shortcut for it. So I can click in here and make one. I could say that's going to be five Or I can just grab five and drag it down onto that Or I can drag the command and drag it to the key I want so you can actually customize Your your keyboard shortcuts really easily here. Oh, we're getting lots of ooze and eyes in the studio, right? No, there's a lot of adobe Stuff in there. I mean, I love I love being able to customize it because I mean there's two commands I use all the time when I'm editing One of them is silence And the other is auto heal And I just you know, I put I change it s And a Yeah, I love that. They don't have they don't have to necessarily be control But command it can be just a single keystroke as long as it's not conflicting with something else, right? Right. Yeah. Um, and then yeah, yeah, you can override you can even Choose, you know, if you want to override something that's already in use no problem. If you don't use You know, uh, uh, one of the toggle modes get rid of that shortcut Nothing is the only thing that's held sacred. I think is spacebar Oh, yeah, yeah, thank goodness one more way to really quickly find things in at least on mac The windows doesn't support this but this is actually built in the os is you can come up to help and search and here you can type Silence and it'll show you not only all the items But where they are in the menus too as you click around, okay? I'm always trying to convince windows futures why there are certain things that I like about mac And this was like this is a key feature whenever I sit down on a windows machine I look for that feature instinctively and it's not there and I'm like I love that that ability is that apple gives us it's very helpful as developers Yeah Now one of the features that I love which was one of the reasons that I fell in love with sound booth when it first came out And of course audition had it as well But you could never you could only do one at a time and that's the spectrograph which is something that makes audition Incredibly powerful. Yeah, explain to us exactly what it is. I mean when people ask me what are all those colors I generally define it as A graphic representation of the relative volume of individual frequencies Does that about do it? That's pretty good. Um, I've heard predator view Predator view. Yeah Seeker view. Yeah, essentially what this is so when you have an audio recording like this This is the waveform and it really just shows you changes in air pressure amplitude over time So it goes up it goes down and that's great because you can see when things kind of happen But you don't see any the information that that's that's happening within this passage right here What what spectral frequency view does is it lets you and I'll reduce the resolution here a little bit It lets you see how much energy exists at different frequency bands during that same period so Where a sound may be Somebody speaking and it shows up just fine here as a as a waveform as a blurb or a blob or a bubble Down here. You can actually see where it's the the fundamental frequency of somebody's voice and all the harmonics up and down as well as The quality behind you can see in this recording There's a lot of of kind of voice here Lots of harmonics lots of it goes up and down and curves But over here there's not much of that but there's still this kind of background noise. Yeah. Yeah, that's all background noise It's all reverbs. You can actually start to see it and there's something else at the top here You can start to see anomalies and problems like I don't know if it shows up over Screencast, but there's this vertical line right at 8,000 hertz and that indicates that there's some sort of interference maybe a electrical interference or a high buzz Something and so you can actually come in and select and then you can start to work in this View as if you were like working on it in Photoshop In fact, we find that a lot of people who come from a video visual background graphic designers photoshop photo editors They'll come in and they may not understand waveform view at all But give them the lasso tool in a couple seconds here in the spectral and all of a sudden they've got it And they're they're making crazy changes and they're going nuts. Yeah A lot of times when george and I get uh audio from people and we look at it on the spectrograph And they're saying I I got a buzz or I got a hum Or something like that defining terms is always pretty important because yeah, so one person's buzz is another person's hum Uh, but looking at the spectrograph if it's 120, you know hertz or a 60 hertz buzz We know exactly where it's coming from Exactly Yeah, and if it's a 50 hertz, you know exactly which other continent it's coming from right right It's 50 and 100 it's coming from the you know the european Right, which is an electrical interference of some sort once again We're talking with durin gleves who's a product manager at adobe and we're talking about adobe audition again If you've got questions about audition throw it in the chat room right now. We'll get to it in our next segment One of your favorite features, you know, give us one or two that you really love Uh that you think that voice actors can benefit from and show us to show us how it works Yeah, well the latest release we just just came out with uh beginning of last week So it's just been out about a week now. Um, we've introduced two new Real-time uh restoration effects. So D reverb and d noise our Auditions always had great noise reduction effects, but the d reverb is something that's that's pretty new And it's it's scary. It has no latency it has no, uh Really low overhead. It doesn't take up a lot of cpu Uh, it's really good. Uh, at least as good as several hundred dollar solutions that are out there right now as plugins Right, so that would be like if you're if you're in a room that is acoustically a little too lively This is something that can help you adjust that Exactly and you could just do it a little bit if you just need to soften a little bit If it if it gets you far enough back to a baseline that you can then put reverb on to match other recordings It's it's a way of of rescuing recordings and that may not otherwise be salvageable And it's so easy. I mean really this is all you need to know less more less more. Yeah With some of this stuff, but it's it's this is an example of us trying to get make it, you know Simpler and more approachable without having a too many crazy parameters. That's in cc 2018 the most up to date It's technically the 2019 release. Although. I think we've officially taken the year off our branding got you So i'm calling it adobe edition cc The 2019 release got you got you. All right. If you go up to your audition, uh about what version does it say? 12.0 the internal version So look for that if you want to get that new feature All right. Well, we're gonna take a quick break right now I'm exhausted just watching all this stuff. This is great. This is what voiceover body shop is all about. Yeah, baby All right, durham. It's great having you with us. We're gonna get questions for you from our audience and demonstrate more Stuff right after these important messages. We'll be right back Skittles Taste the rainbow She has fought for those who don't have a voice the national zoo Because sometimes you just need to stroke a llama instagram Download it and start embarrassing your teenagers today resolve spot and stay Because the dog's gonna drag his butt on the carpet. 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You know, so I'm very efficient that way Voice over essentials dot com go there. Thanks harlan You're still watching v. OBS All right, and we're back with durin gleves from adobe audition And we've got questions from our incredibly huge worldwide audience as we go on here The first one is one that I'm sure you don't want to hear but I think everybody knows about it Natasha asks My adobe audition is glitching lately cutting out microseconds of audio randomly Advice That's not good. No it isn't needs more information There's a couple ways to troubleshoot that generally First of all, when it happens if you're seeing down in the lower right corner, does it say detected drop samples? That's key to understanding if it's if it's related to Writing to disk or if it's related to the audio as it's coming in To the application There tends to be two sorts of dropouts one is where Pieces of time the data is missing and so you'll immediately jump from one part of one word to part of another word or And then there can be dropouts where the stream keeps coming in but the there's there's gaps There's like silent bits. So you'll have a little gap in time, you know of silence Right and there's snaps and stuff like that as that's happening right and so generally when troubleshooting if there's gaps of space that tends to be In my experience it tends to be something going on either with the audio interface Or the communication the driver between the interface through the os to audition um or If it's uh, if it's jumping and it's losing that data it tends to be Related to the buffer size or the ability to write that information to disk fast enough. So In both cases I would first Go into the hardware preferences in audition and increase the latency or the buffer size That just gives a bigger bowl of audio samples to get into before audition tries to pour it into the file Or get it up onto the screen If it's too low then Uh, we're trying to capture and save that audio more quickly than say the hard drive is able to read it or if other Applications are running then the os may pre-empt Auditions access to to do something with that data right And and there's been a couple of glitches with the with the latest release and I you know like one you you'll hit record Stop and start recording again and the You know the spectrograph will be there, but the waveform will disappear But if you highlight it and put and copy it and put it back. Oh, there's the waveform again Yeah, that was a that was a bug on the last release earlier this year that uh That affected certain systems and I don't remember the specifics of why it was some combination of of os and video driver and In any case it should absolutely be fixed in the release that came out last week. Nice. Cool Have you had um any issues with anybody now with an ssd drive because I tell people that if they do have any drive issues where it's You know, you're like you said loss of audio where it skips, but there's no there's no gap there I've been telling people to upgrade to ssds and that and that seems to completely take care of it, right? Oh, it makes it's it that's the single biggest improvement I think anybody can make to their workstation as a fast ssd drive. That's a solid state drive That's a not a spinning hard drive, but a flash drive like that's the kind of memory that's in your iphone or an ipad Heavy duty ram. Yeah, it's very fast and it's it's not prone to All of the physical physics problems that spinning platter hard drives run into right Yeah, it's it's it's hands down more than upgrading your cpu more than upgrading your ram For sheer performance ssd is a huge deal. Yeah, all right. You get this week's jack attack attack Our own chat room moderator jack daniel asks. Hey doran I love the adobe suite. In fact, I lived across from your adobe building on seventh street when I lived in san francisco Um question about audition. Will you provide preset options for file saving? From export anytime soon. I guess what he's saying is I have a few file types I need to save to I saved to high res mp3 48 k 320 regular mp3 which is 44 1 192 And wave files 44 or 48 kilohertz 24 bit There's something very there's some very limited ability to create presets in these savings But no way to keep them keep them all those parameters in place I always have to make a few clicks when I change from these formats clicking the change button, etc Seems like an easy fix, but I'm not a programmer Could that functionality be added? I'll tell you what I would love for you and anybody else who wants that to do Launch audition click help provide feedback. Yes to a website called you a user voice is the Is the company and it lets you submit feature requests And adobe is paying a lot for this service, right? So feature requests that come into the expensive stuff tend to get a little more prior priority Um, that said there there there are some things that can maybe simplify that a little bit for you right now There's there's as you probably discovered there's several as with anything in audition There's several ways to accomplish the same task And if you open a file and you just choose file save or save as audition will always default to the same file Settings as that source media. So if you open a wave file, that's 48 k stereo and you hit save as We're going to default those settings to 48 k stereo in an effort to do, you know, no harm Accidentally if you choose file export We'll always use the last used settings. So if you're you're putting out you're constantly making a bunch of uh mp3s or or You know at certain characteristics then Those those last use settings will always be the default for that file export path um That said, I'd love to see format presets Um as part of the as part of the saving operation. So um, please go Give us your support on that user voice site provide that feedback And uh, I'll make sure that it gets in front of the engineering team You know what I'm going to do that as well But I'm going to do that for a feature where you can easily Export and then import effects rack presets That's something that would be handy. I figure out a workaround where we use session files To then as a way to transport racks in and out of the system This has been pretty important to me as well works fine. So that that that is a workable workaround But that's a feature where we'd love to see so I'll I'll make sure to make use of that feature on the website Fantastic, uh team man has a question. He says does durin have any advice for people Who would use audition in a virtual machine? Yeah Well, I'll tell you um, we do a lot of testing in virtual machines because I don't want to have 15 workstations on top of my my desk at home or work. Um And uh Generally for non latency critical Uses you can get you can do you can get away with it Especially if you're if you're using an asio interface to communicate with the hardware and you can let the vm where the vm os Access the asio device means your your main system won't have access to it But you'll be able to to access it that way. Um geek alert. Oh, yeah Essentially what that is is and this will be really quick asio is a was developed by steinberg As a as a way for an application to communicate with an audio interface sapphire or a you know rme or or whatever um And bypass windows not have to go through windows which slows everything down which You know does great because it makes everything compatible with everything else But it does so at a cost of of of performance and flexibility So the asio which you don't need to know what it means or what it stands for But it just lets you kind of go around windows and talk directly to the uh to the hardware device That's great. I mean I I do teach webinars and I do somewhere. I have multiple doors open Some of them windows some of the mac and I will use vmware and have uh several different apps of software is running in windows Uh without without problems as long as the audio hardware can talk to the software through the vmware tool It seems to be be fine. I I don't record to a vmware thing, but for playback it's it's been fine. So There's a follow-up for that also. Um Let's see he would he say it would present the same product Going through a vm that i'm not quite sure what he's saying what it's the other question But there's another one that's a little more clear. Is there a mod or a setup or pre-worked configuration? You can apply to audition to have it ready For just voice actors. I guess what he's saying is there a way to load an xml file or some other way That way I I don't have all the unneeded features Distracting me. So I think he's looking for ways to hack the interface Yeah, just to create the right workspace for a voice. Yeah, because I know you had the workspace function, but Oh and hide hide We don't have a way to hide menu items right now So things you don't use will will still be there Um, whether you use them or not But we certainly have the ability to to minimize or customize the interface itself. So you can get rid of panels you don't need Um, and even you know, even if you do have those panels up and maybe you're going to need them After a little bit. I'll show you when we go back to the screen share I'll show you one little trick that can hide those until you absolutely need them and bring them back And then hide them again. Oh, you can do that right now. And then we've got one more question Perfect. Why don't you go to the screen share and then we can Demonstrate that Sure, and then I got one good question from fred fantastic Um, so right now, you know, I've got this panel this panel and you can customize the layout however you like So if I wanted my effects rack Over here on the right side of my waveform I can just grab that tab and you see as I'm moving it around these little purple Spots that appear. These are just kind of layout. These are like Drop zones or something like that. So if I drop it just to the on this right side of the waveform view It'll pop up over here and I can move that over and I can save this as a New workspace. That's just for me if I want it back over here. I can certainly just move it back Reorder these things but what's really cool is if I have My mouse cursor is over a panel and I want to make that panel full screen I can hit the tilde key the little jalapeno end key And just quickly make whatever panel my mouse is over full screen So it's very quick very easy I can work this way until I need to get back to my files panel. I can click it Pick a different file and zoom in here again I like that. I like that. I also heard rumors that you had a easter egg for us Well for the valued V OBS dot tv audience. Yes, keep it secret Um, if you hear it from us If you're in a long session, you've been slogging away. You need a break You don't want to look at this waveform anymore. You just want to do something a little mindless Come on up here and ask about adobe audition right up here in the corner And this is a pretty boring sort of communist looking panel here But you know if you take a look there's a couple of letter O's here and if you were to click in one You might just see Something happen here And if you were to grab these And play with them Oh, it's a physics game. It's a physics game And then, you know, there's different command clicks and Control clicks and shift clicks Well, you can start doing having some fun. Somebody was bored adobe one day. That's a pretty cool And so cool, man, it's a nice way to kind of Waste some time and Since we've been horsing around and all of a sudden we get a few more questions We won't maybe squeeze one or two more in. Yeah, there was a we talked earlier about auto heal We know what it does but my favorite great Fred asked You know, what does auto heal do for you? Good question. There's a couple different ways. But auto heal is a way to repair Sonically repair short little problems of of sound. So if you have somebody who's Mouth sounds or something like that or or you know, there's a I'm typing and there's a little click on the keyboard. You can see in this waveform There's a lot of these little short bursts and this actually may not be short bursts, but Um, because this is a pretty long recording, but let's see if I can find one that's gonna show it off. Well Yeah, we'll try it. Let's wing it. Let's wing it live That's what we do around here, buddy. Um, our theme is every week is apollo 13 So auto heal you can select one of these little bursts and choose auto heal from the menu And you can see that spike is gone If I zoom in and I bring up the spectral view, you'll see what what happens is We do it's not just like a delete or a silence. We're not putting a big hole of digital silence where there's This vacuum frequency is there. We're actually filling in from around that selection. And so you get this nice smooth Cutouts this nice little smooth removal and it doesn't just require you doing it in that That full frequency range too. If there's a anomaly That see right here this section all happens Um above between 4k and about 13k So I could just come in here and select just this section and use auto heal And we'll fill in again the from the frequencies around But if there's data if there's audio recording and information down here that I want to keep I don't lose it I don't touch it. I'm only dealing with Um doing that correction up here in the frequency ranges that are selected. What's the maximum usable time like like how How much time in the timeline can you auto heal? It depends on the sample rate So there there is a limit if I was to make a pretty big selection and I was to try to do this It would kick back and say it's long. Yeah, but based on the sample rates Of the file that I'm working on I've used it to like fix Of mic pops. Oh really which are really low frequency. I mean, yeah, I'm down here. You can do that same kind of thing Yeah, it's it you know, you can really write. Yes. People's it could affect this audio. Sure. No problem You know throwing the you know through the the auto heal in there. It's a miracle Yeah, so you can even use that the healing brush here to just come in and paint that stuff right out like that And I don't know if it did it or not. Let me try it again There you go. Yeah, it reduces it. It's great Yeah, one more question here from devox who's never short of questions Uh and one that I would ask and I think a lot of people ask uh of george and I Uh, it's about noise reduction Uh, you know our philosophy is try to avoid making the noises in the first place, uh, but if you're in a, uh In a somewhat marginal situation hotel room. Yeah, yeah stuff like that Uh, do you have any tips for using the noise reduction? function minimum maximum sample except forms of Yeah, you know, that's there's a couple kinds of noise reduction tools in here, right? Yeah Um, but I'm with you 100 if you can if you can not get the noise in the first place. Yeah, it's bad for my job longevity But you know, uh, that's that's obviously the best You know, I know a lot of uh journalists when they're in the conditions where they're they're trying to record a radio piece But they can't get to a studio. They tend to take the duvet off the hotel bed throw it over their head and record inside Underneath a bunch of blankets. We resemble that remark. Yeah, yeah If you can't do any of that if you've got the recording and there's no way there's a couple So there's several tools. There's several effects. I showed you one of them here the the new d noise Addition has this button right up here in the corner called the preview editor So I can actually come up here and get a before and after view Oh, yeah Dude the noise reduction. So if I crank this up to 100 you'll see all this kind of go sleep pink and purple goes away But so does a lot of that audio signal. I don't want to do that. So we come back here a little bit um And in this case And with both of our noise or with all of our noise reduction effects We have the option here to output noise only So if you toggle this We'll just show you what's being removed and you can actually start to dial this in less or more so that you having less of that Signal that you want to keep less of your actual voice that shows up down here Um, just don't remember. Don't forget to uncheck it before you Right. Um, the other option or another option and this one's a little more Um in depth, but it's our Our kind of classic legacy noise reduction effect And this works by selecting a region or a portion of the audio file That is just noise that you doesn't have any signal you want to keep And and using that to train the algorithm and say this is this is what I want to keep Pull this out of the rest of the recording. So I made a little selection here, which was mostly, you know There wasn't any any voice in there So sold it to capture that noise print and then So, you know selected the whole file So there's things in here we can do to you know to really make it dramatic and see what it's going to you know See how kind of how it works But really, you know, you're going to want to come back and Use something a little more reasonable the goal isn't the goal shouldn't be at that point to get rid of all the noise All together it should be to Get it down to the lowest possible level without affecting your your dialogue Um, if you go too far you start getting that chirply warbly Watery sound and you you certainly don't want that that's more distracting than a little bit of room tone in the in the recording Yeah, at the end of the day, you know, we're doing all this graphically for you guys to see but you do have to trust your ears You're going to want to play these things back and monitor them And adjust them by ear to make sure you're not, you know ruining the integrity of the audio Which is the great thing about non-destructive audio something like this. It's what you don't like it You screw it up just undo Absolutely show us your camera again durin or if you unless you want to have a parting demo I was just going to give you one more little piece of uh advice with the noise reduction effect here Good, um, you can get far better results if you if you do three two or three Light passes than trying to get all the noise out in one pass. I've heard that. Yeah Take a noise print capture that do of you know, 20 percent 25 percent reduction Take another noise print from somewhere else in the file do the same thing you get far far better results That's the trick. See that's the I've heard the repeat, but I didn't know about the taking another noise print Yeah, so then doing it again. Yeah, take a different noise print. That's and if you really want to be, uh Judicious about it. You can pop down into the advanced section and choose a different fft size Whoa, um, it's a little geekery, but what that does is it just it just defines how Find the different frequency bands that we analyze are and so with with different Fft sizes and different noise prints you get slightly some of those the reduction will be better for high frequencies Some of it will be better for for low frequencies All right, get your camera back. Yeah, so we can say goodbye. Say goodbye durin. This has been fabulous This is what our show is all about. Yeah, thanks so much for having me and for you know being patient We finally we've been trying to do this for months. So I'm really happy to work out great And I hope you're feeling better from the little cold you have if somebody wants to get a hold of you I mean you said hit the help button and stuff like that, but uh, can they contact you at adobe and bother you there? Yeah, hit me on twitter at ado at durin gleves. Um, you can always email us, uh, if you have a crash report or or something, uh Important, uh AUD bugs at adobe.com will come right to the team. I'll see it most of the engineering team and quality team will see it Otherwise if it's a feature request if it's something that you want to get support for Go to that provide feedback link and the audition help menu Um, it allows you to vote on other things as well. So the more features that get up votes You know the higher these things get voted the more critical they become to the team. So Um, I got a ton of thanks coming at you from the chat room A lot of very grateful people in the chat room. So thanks again. Alrighty. Thanks durin for being with us Look forward to seeing you again Absolutely. Thanks you both. Have a great day. All right. Well Oh boy that that's a line that's was hoping for that's a that's a lot of geekery All right. 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