 So Louise when people approach you and ask you you know, I want to become a service designer Or I want to become a better service designer. What is the thing you tell them? So my my pro tip would be to find a place where you can Work on things that are real that are being delivered and that you can learn by doing and find a place where you're not going to be and in a situation where you won't see the the the results of the things that you you're making and I think if I if I could sort of have an ask of those people is to you know, learn to code as well and It's not as scary as you think And it's so vital, you know, the digital is the primary delivery mechanism of most services now And Google is the home page for those services unless you really understand how the internet works You're designing with a medium that you don't understand the constraints of so Learning to code even if you know what you're doing is just being able to kind of work with a developer and all you know Kind of talk competently about things or build a prototype that someone else can pick up You don't need to you know be the world's best front-end developer There are front-end developers out there for that but but learn how the internet works learn how to code