 Good morning afternoon evening everyone wherever you are today. We will interview Lydia Rungevsky Lydia is the long-suffering wife of Sam Dutney the world's number one level nine Narcissists is also the author of the pioneering seminal book malignant self-love Narcissism Revisible it is a book that all of you should all Read or at the very least highlight You can also of course steal a copy from the library near you So now back to Lydia Rungevsky Lydia the first question we have is this your husband Sam Dutney the self-proclaimed authority on narcissism Advises victims of abuse to abandon the narcissist because the policy of no contact Scram flee to the hills leave the narcissist. Don't bother to work on the relationship Simply end it In other words, the question is instead of shooting this video with Sam. Why don't you simply shoot Sam? I wouldn't do that Personally because uh you then you that's you uh You know you're aware of the things you have the ability of making a difference and this is what you are good at to analyze Synthetize and present it and you are really helping people to know Narcissists more intimately. So the the victims of the Dear narcissists will be able to cope with them easier But aren't you a victim and you live with a narcissist by definition aren't you victim of narcissistic abuse? There is difference between You and other narcissists you are diagnosed with uh test attack should be with high IQ And uh, it's very rare rare, I mean rare uh to find a narcissist Who is uh Able to make the difference and you went deep inside you. You were honest to yourself. You wanted to know What was wrong after you you're why first time the worst after you Spend some time in jail after your background so You wanted you were curious to know more about yourself So you know so many people Have the guts of you're not feeling that you're abused or victimized. I personally know because I You're not you're not abused and victimized. What kind of advice can you give to people who are abused and victimized? I was abused and victimized by worse narcissists than you are I was already very good from my childhood. I was brought up in a second dysfunctional family by parents or What was the second blood with narcissists yellow was cerebral narcissists I developed they actually trained me to find my coping strategies. So I do have that experience And I had it before I met you So what I suffered with them? I can't say that I'm suffering with you. You're actually piece of cake for me What's it get so you're gonna share you're gonna share your coping strategies Because until now many people who know my story my friends that I shared They something was weird that resonated with them and they found it very helpful And did you use some of these strategies with with some with you? Yes And where were they successful? We are still married, right? Yes, right right last time I checked we were yeah So this leads to the next question Sam Claims to be a cerebral narcissist and according to his theory he invented the he invented the phrase cerebral narcissists According to his theory Cerebral narcissists don't have sex. So if I trust what he says Then last time you had sex was in the first bush of the instruction Or when Tommy Blair was young whichever was earlier How do you cope with that the lack of sex? So when you are good looking hooker and so on men should be queuing up to do whatever men do with women I'm not aware. So what what is it? Why why why how do you cope with not having sex? Let's uh answer to this question in more intimate Settings like in the for the seminar for example intimate settings. There's got to be 200 people there Intimates intimate Okay, but you are aware of the problem and you are co-finally And of course I am coping dear regard it as a problem No, not in my view not in your this intriguing It's worth coming to London just to hear the answer to this one. And so on to the next question Sam describes a trip in which he met a 10 year old and the 10 year old spent an evening with him and then she said He is not human. He is a scanning machine. That's a true story. As you know, you were there actually And so the question is how do you live? How do you survive with someone who has no emotions who is a scanning machine? Even a 10 year old can see it's so obvious There's no empathy hates people Holds him in content. It's totally a social asexual a emotional a existent How do you cope with this empty shell? How do you live with something? Many of my friends told me that I have some gift or see through the mask of the people To go directly to their belief or and to find and hook to some of their emotions Okay, so I'm trying to nurture that emotion So is he lying to us when Sam says he has no emotions is he lying to us? I think that narcissists actually Sam that's very suppressed emotions actually There are many not It's a set of emotions that he suppressed in order to survive when he was abused So actually has no emotions because it actually is strong emotions. It's exactly the open He has to suppress And you you claim to have access to these emotions. I don't know if I have access, but I Can say that somehow I read them. I can kill them So I don't know on what level that is some people will say so not on unconscious level the people communicate and so on but the narcissists you Uh It's not that you fully don't have the psychopath and the psychopaths don't don't have any emotions From my spirit many people say that I'm a psychopath based on the movie I psychopath We know we both know that that movie was about the director Right I couldn't communicate with him. I didn't see any emotions Never mind how much I wanted to Contact with him to make that connection go simple No, that's all that's all because it's psychopath. It's because he's Australian now Next to me Now to the last question is last question is Uh, we sometimes love people And sometimes we like people and sometimes if we're lucky we love people who we like. Do you like sand? Very much. Do you like him? Wow Something must be very wrong with you. Even I don't like you Even I don't like him at all Okay, folks, this was Lidia Rogelowska and on the 24th and 25th of september in london If you are lucky enough to take to get a ticket You will be able to see her. She is the second part of the second day We hold the best to the last And she will talk about her experiences with sand and other narcissistic psychopaths Lidia in wonderland Second part of the second day. Don't miss it. Don't miss it by the ticket now Richard is waiting. Thank you. Thank you