 What's up peeps back again drew here used to be that anxiety guy now the anxious truth in the middle of the name change Doing a new success story today with my friend Raven. Those of you who are in the Facebook group Recognize Raven. We know her as Raven Lynn. That's her Facebook name and Yeah, I am like super super happy to see you on the other side of this camera It's amazing that you are here and as usual We will just kind of go through like your story and where you started and where you are now and you've done an Incredible job of this. I cannot even believe that you are the same young lady that I have seen You know not a year ago. It's such a difference. So thank you for taking the time like everybody really appreciates you sharing and Let's roll in it. By the way, if you're not in the Facebook group because I know I mentioned it There'll be a link wherever you are hop on in everybody's welcome So we first met when you joined the group probably we were talking maybe fall of last year fall of 2015 somewhere in the neighborhood. Where were you tell me where you were at that point? It wasn't good. I know that Yeah, think of the gore phobia and my I think you know, I've been dealing with panic disorder and depression and PTSD since I was like 13 I probably dealt with it even longer than that But like last year was like super bad for my gore phobia like the end of last year into this year And so like at that time, you know, I've been filing for SSI I've been working with a lawyer and I was on the highway to go see her and that's when I just kind of started feeling like Superpanicky have like my first really bad panic attack on highway You know, I was experiencing those feelings of like lightheadedness and like my head felt all fuzzy and just like wobbly legs Felt like I was just gonna faint at any second the racing thoughts if I'm gonna die Like this is it probably gonna have a heart attack. I'm gonna have a seizure who freakin knows what's gonna happen it's so then I took my at a van, which is my Benzo and Obviously that still didn't really help in the moment So then I got home after that and I finally had calmed down and I think that's kind of where I taught myself for Oh, if I run back home, you know, everything's gonna be okay again So then after that like I was able to go up to like the grocery store That was like three blocks away But anything further than that or if it was like a bigger grocery store or anything in general like I just felt like I couldn't do it and so like After that I ended up. I think it was like around New Year's Eve I had to go run a few errands and I was super excited. I was like yay get to get out of the house It had been snowing a lot. So I wasn't leaving very much Plus I was having car issues at that time so Being able to leave was like, oh, thank God I was gonna go get my favorite lunch and that was all ruined by a super bad panic attack That was like to the point where like I was I was convinced I was gonna die in that car ride I'm pretty sure I posted in the group after that had happened to and the same time I took my Benzo and it's still just like Really didn't do anything even getting home didn't really do much either and then finally I calmed down But I still had that like hangover. I guess you could say There's right after New Year's that happened, right? Yeah, because I remember around Christmas you managed to kind of get out and I remember you saying like you were with your family You Christmas and it seemed like a little bit of a step forward and then yeah Yeah, I was like really weird cuz like I remember I think it was Christmas Eve to be exact like a few days before that I went and I baked cookies with my family and it was like a lot of fun But then New Year's eat or Christmas Eve like the worst thing that I remember was I Grabbed my phone while I was getting ready cuz I was like I don't want to miss out on this I'm tired of missing family events because of this and I ended up calling the epilepsy hotline. I Was like, are you sure I'm not gonna have a seizure Can I go to this family event and not have a seizure? Yeah, and this is like, are you kidding me? Why are you calling us? And so the lady just laughed the whole time and I felt so embarrassed But that was like my like little crutch like I had to call the epilepsy hotline in order to go do what I wanted And then that didn't really help either Let's let's talk about that for a second because I do remember the thing that sticks out the most I think about your story and the way you were back then is you you were still determined I mean you were not just accepting like oh my life is over, but you were gripped and crippled by that seizure fear The seizure fear and I mean how many times did you ask in the group? You know if you am I gonna have a seizure I'm gonna I feel like I'm gonna have a seizure you must have typed the word seizure more than most epileptics do in a lifetime I know right right but like that felt so that was a real fear though in your mind You were convinced exactly like Straight up so convinced that I was like I've never had a seizure in a day in my life But I have epilepsy that's basically how it was even though but let's clarify You don't have epilepsy in your head You were convinced though like I obviously have epilepsy here. Yep, exactly It's almost a textbook example of the the incredible irrationality and and as I said before we went and started recording I mean you're an incredibly intelligent young woman. There's no doubt about that yet that did not matter like exactly that Incredible like distortion just took hold and that was real. Yeah So so you had that massive setback right after the new year and I remember you kind of kind of crawling in and just like In pieces. This is terrible. It's never gonna be better. What happened after that? so like After all that happened, I guess Earlier this year like I think what really clicked for me was like I wasn't leaving my house, but I kept wanting to and I was just so fed up with the fact that like I would only be able to walk down my drive Like my driveway than the alleyway and that was it I was like I really want to go outside like being inside all the time is so boring. It's tiring I need to go drop this off. I need to go do that. I need to go to this appointment I couldn't get anything done because I was so like bedridden like and you know it got to the point where I actually thought I had like fibromyalgia because I was in so much pain from being bedridden for weeks and So like I think what was bothering me really bad too was like when I was with my fiancee his like Family and his friends were like super against how I was and we're just kind of like tearing me down And we're like she's not gonna get any better Like you're just wasting your time with her and it was just everybody kind of attacking me where it was just like This isn't helping me and then after that that kind of motivated me a little bit to like prove people wrong And prove myself wrong because I started to just kind of feel like this is it like this is all that's left for me And just kind of that thought like sent a lot of anxiety Just like throughout my entire body because I didn't want to just live the rest of my life Just in my bed like that wasn't who I was a few years ago like a few years ago I was like I was determined on my 18th birthday. I was gonna travel to the West Coast on my own Everything like just dead straight. Yeah, and then I lost all of it to agoraphobia. So then like You know when I when I started having issues with my fiance and then I was seeing like a therapist But we were doing teletherapy So like that was really beneficial because I wasn't skipping any appointments Like she helped me tremendously and just like I think a big key and like where things started to click for me was having a therapist That actually listened to me and like yeah was super like determined to help me get back together And wasn't like basically telling me like this is it or you need medication It was like you're in there. We're gonna get you out of there like Hold on and then taking an approach with my PTSD like apparently with PTSD If it's not like worked on it can also cause more problems like Panic disorder depression whatever and so they started to think that that was what happened to me because when I When my trauma did happen. I didn't do anything about it. I just kind of like they just were like here's medication You're fine. Like you'll get over it. Just yeah take these and so I was a 13 year old and that had happened And it just didn't do anything for me. It just kind of kept getting worse. But um anyways back to where I was so I was seeing that therapist and then A few months into the year she started mentioning joining like an intensive outpatient program because that's when my like intrusive thoughts started getting really bad and It was like scaring me and I just I was like nothing's right. I don't I don't know what's going on With me. I was like, I'm losing it. This is it. Um, so She recommended that but I ended up not doing it at first. I was just kind of like I'm too scared like I had too many Yeah, right to scare to actually go. Yeah, exactly. I had excuses after excuses. It was my stomach pain Too much anxiety attacks. I was gonna end up discharging myself like I was like, no, I'm not going like But but you weren't you didn't want to not do the program. You were like just like literally afraid to go out of the house And go to the center, right? It was like I if I left the house Like I just wouldn't be worth it because last time I did a program with that clinic They discharged me after two weeks because my agoraphobia was bad then too and I was just like Calling I was like, I'm gonna have a seizure today. I can't come in sorry Like I just had it all planned out that I was gonna have a seizure. Um, and so then It got brought up again by her and she was just like you should really really try this You kind of need the extra help right now Having therapy for an hour two times a week wasn't going to be enough And so I was like, okay, okay, okay I was like I need to get this together and Especially because it's having so many issues in my relationship with my fiance as well Like it just felt like everything was falling apart and it was my fault Especially because he put the blame on me a lot of the time too So it was like I was like this is all me like if I don't fix this nothing else is going to get fixed So that was when I decided to go in and the night before my intake or like the assessment or whatever My cat of like 21 years ended up dying So I go into this assessment. I was like I called my therapist that day I was like, I don't think I'm even gonna be able to go into this assessment I was like my cat died. I feel like crap like I don't know what I'm gonna do So I go pulled myself together. I went and I was a sobbing mess I looked like crap and I still went anyways And they're like, why are you even here? Like go home come back another day reschedule I was like, no, I need to get this done And so I sobbed in the office with the psychologist and I was just like I just I don't know what's wrong with me anymore Like I'm now I'm experiencing intrusive thoughts. I'm crazy. Like I just I was like, I'm gonna end up with psychosis or something Like it was just a whole bunch of different things and like Um after that I started the outpatient program Which was like four days a week for like from like 130 to 430 And so I was just taking it one day at a time I was like, okay, if you really feel like it's gonna be that bad and you need to discharge yourself Whatever just take it one day at a time. That was like what I was living by and so There were days where I couldn't show up I had a hard time and I started beating myself up over it and that's what determined me to go and stay through the anxiety And like You know, they had these little rooms where you could Step aside and just kind of like take care of yourself You needed to but the entire team was like super supportive And so like anytime I had panic attack problems or like just wasn't feeling good And I had to step out somebody would sit with me and just like like my social worker I think it was she sat with me for like three hours And then when she decided I she wanted to take me to the emergency room I was like, no, no, don't do that. Like this is gonna screw everything up. Like don't take me to the damn emergency room. That's amazing Right. Yeah Speaking of which I have not gone to the emergency room for anxiety since that day. So that was like The end of June, which was like I'm killing it there But yeah, so like she sat with me in the emergency room and after she left Like she was like telling them don't let her leave like stay with her make sure she gets treated When they were done I was like, can I just go home? Like I don't want to be here this last place. I want to be I want to be home Yeah, and so they discharged me. I didn't take the benzo. I didn't take anything I just went home and I was still anxious when I went home too, but That was where I really sat with it and like Just nailed it. I was like holy crap. I did that. Um, that was a huge turning point I remember you talking about that Exactly. I had about two really big panic attacks While I was there that had me in like the little serenity room. They called it And I remember just sitting there for hours and hours and I would just be panicking so bad and then I'd go home and everything would feel a little bit better and I'd be like, well So like I'm teaching myself in that moment that you can still get through the panic while you're Driving in a car Doesn't matter where you are It really doesn't at all Like you can get through it as long as you like I feel like as long as you have the mindset Like if you're sitting there telling yourself, I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die then you're gonna feel like you're gonna die So that's where I really like mastered the floating was Sitting with it in a time where they were like forcing me to stay and I was like, no, no I need to go home. Like I remember pulling like my instructor aside. I was like, I need to go home Like I can't do this. I just it can't So she kind of talked you into like just just give it five more minutes just five more minutes kind of thing Yeah, like we'll see if it gets really bad and if it gets really bad you can go home And I was like, okay, well it kept getting bad and they're just like Do you want to stay or do you want to go to the er and I'm like, well, I'd rather stay than go to the er So I kind of was just like I didn't really have the option to go home because obviously if I had the option to go home I would have taken it So it's like I feel like if there's anything really big that I learned and was taught That was effective being there wasn't what was in the books. It wasn't coloring in a coloring book It wasn't reading positive affirmations that I'm beautiful and I'm strong But it was literally sitting in a serenity room That was just an option if things got too emotional if you needed to go cry Yeah, I sat in that serenity room and was forced to face the panic attack for like three hours That was where I really started to learn So I want to talk about that for just a second because yes that that obviously a huge turning point and Really because I know people are going to ask this when they watch you say this That would really be flooding. So what happened is you were essentially trapped in a circumstance Where you had no choice but to be out of your safe zone the house And in panic in a panic state for three hours. That was the duration of the program. So you're there at least three hours That that is not something that you would want to Well, I'm trying to put this the right way so that people get the right message You wouldn't want to do that to yourself You you kind of where it seemed to be and correct me if I'm wrong but It kind of seemed to be at a place in your life where you were willing to do that really hard thing because you wanted to get better You wanted to change your life So you were willing to accept it and the fact that you did this through what was essentially flooding Yeah, and you had the staff with you and it sounds like they did it really well with you which is great Um, that probably made all the difference in the world. So it's so super important to say like you can't I know you're gonna hear raven say like I just I was locked in a room and had to panic for three hours That seems so tempting like oh, that's the cure. I'm gonna go do that this time Like don't do that you had you had professionals with you And you had taken a long road to get to the point where you were willing to accept that, you know Exactly. Yeah, you could have insisted. No, you get me out of here right now. We're taking you to hospital You participated and said no, I'm staying here. Yeah, so I said We need to say that. Yeah. Yeah, but you feel like that was a big big turning point though Yeah, it was where I really felt like I mastered like acceptance and floating like because you know When I heard floating I was like, I can't do it drew like I can't do it This is impossible. You had the conversation so many times so many It can't be this can't be a thing. Yeah, exactly like I was just like, you know other people can do it But I can't like it's like I can't do it. It's not it's not for me like this isn't effective for me This is this isn't it right and then I did it and I was like holy shit Well, that's a really good point and I we can talk about that for 30 seconds here Like you always thought you couldn't do it. I mean you were very down on yourself You you figured there's no way this won't work for me. I have something different going You no one is ever ready to do it until they do it. So do you feel like Oh, oh, I oh, I guess I was ready because like look, I did it like only doing it tells you that you can do it There's never be ready in your head to say, okay I'm ready to surrender to death because in your head. That's what you do Right. Um, yeah, you'll never get there until you actually do it wind up okay and say, oh, yeah Okay, now I know what it is now. I can do it. Do you feel like that is what happened for you? Absolutely because it was like I spent so many days where I would walk around the block and go to the grocery store And keep pushing but it was like it still wasn't enough to get like For me to master it like I do it and I just still didn't feel that like that sense of accomplishment Until that day I was sitting in that room and I was forced with it It was like sitting in the room with it sitting across from me screaming. You're gonna die. You're gonna die You're gonna die and I had to sit there and be like no, I'm not like it was like having a conversation with it in that room and After that, I was like, whoa, I was like, so that's what floating is. I was like no way like It was it was insane. So after that that's when I started like I haven't really had big anxiety attack sense And even if I have like I didn't call 9-1-1. I didn't sit there and like Freak out like and say that I'm gonna die like just kind of sat with it. I was like, okay Yeah, sometimes I cry a little bit but whatever You're you're It's just astounding when you see it and I've seen so many but yet it's always still astounding you are especially astounding To see the smile on your face and just so relaxed like yeah, whatever You know, yeah, I'm just gonna have a massive panic attack. Whatever like you were so you were so the opposite of that only 10 12 months ago max If that if that really I think it didn't really turn for me until the end of june is when it started to like I really noticed it. Yeah, and then after I I broke off my engagement like after that like boom everything was so good Like getting out of the house spending almost 10 hours a day on the road doing door dash with my best friend like I was like if I could do this I could do anything like Yeah, yeah, and suddenly now you're being productive. I remember you like coming into the group and wondering Like give me things to do. I'm bored. You were starting to get to the point where like I'm bored I need things to do So the cool thing that I think about your story when I watched it develop over time was You started changing the way you were doing it. You went to the inpatient program You learned the lessons about panic there And then you seem to get to the point where you understood I I I'm going to keep recovering But I actually want to live also Yeah, like I don't want to just sit in my room and color in a coloring book Every single day listening to like podcasts about right people who are traveling the world and I'm sitting here in my room Yeah, I want to do that someday as I color in a coloring book. Like it just wasn't effective for me I have super overactive like mind like I just I have too much energy to be sitting in my room all day Expecting recovery to happen while in laying in bed. It's not even when you are engaged in recovery I mean, I would think and tell me I'm gonna I'm gonna assume that you can tell me if I'm wrong You get started getting out of the house. You're doing door dash with your girlfriend So I remember you posted the pictures and you had this big smile on your face You guys like you're having a good time. Oh, yeah, you're working together Which was great. And so that helps your recovery, but it's not necessarily a recovery task. You're just living You're just doing life Becomes recovery, right? So at some point now you were probably on an accelerated time frame because you you did a bunch of flooding and you jammed that acceptance and like facing down the fear into a tiny little ball but So so you lose, uh, you know, it was maybe a less than optimal relationship in your life and The stress of that I guess goes away And you've got this new outlook on what anxiety and panic is you're not afraid of it anymore So you didn't make it go away. You just stopped being afraid of it. It sounds like exactly like You know, I I had an issue A few weeks ago while door dashing on the highway where I started to get really panicky during rush hour Like dead stop traffic and we're dropping off this order, which happened to end up being at a hospital Which was ironic So sitting there i'm like i'm gonna die i'm gonna die But you know, I had my best friend with me and I just kept telling myself like i'm safe like I wasn't sitting there like Enabling the thoughts that I was gonna die. It was more like changing the thoughts like, you know You feel like you're gonna die, but you're not like You know, you're safe. You're fine. You're okay. Yeah. And so then we get to the hospital And I sat in the in the parking lot before we go in and I'm like, you know I might just need to sit in this parking lot for a while. Like I just I just need to sit here Like I might I might need their services today. I don't know this panic attacks feeling pretty bad So then she's like, well, do you want to wait in the car while I go in and I'm like, no Like I just I want to keep doing this like I want to keep going I don't want to stop because of this panic attack So we go in and then we walk out and she's like, okay Well, do you want to sit for a little bit? I'm like, no, let's just go all good It's fine. Like I was panicking but I was like, it's fine. And then I was like Let's just keep going. She's like, well, let's just relax for a little bit. I'm like, but I want to keep going I you know, I still feel panicky and my body feels like crap. Let's keep going But she's like, well, let's just relax for a little bit. So I went home And I think this is the last time I've actually taken my benzo. I felt really off So I was just like, I just kind of need to relax for a second Took it took a nap woke up went right back to door dashing again. It just didn't tease me that much Yeah, there's no retreat in you anymore. It's I can I can see. Yeah, so And I say this all the time. It's never how you feel It's always how you react to how you feel and your reaction to how you feel is completely different now Yeah, completely. Yeah, the reaction is like a really big deal. Like if you Give it a negative reaction, then it's just gonna keep Building over time and it's just gonna get worse and worse But the more that you start giving like more of a positive reaction or just not a reaction at all Neutral reaction, right exactly like just kind of take a normal approach to it I feel like I know that sounds hard because like when you're going through this it's completely difficult But it just felt like to me if I just kind of gave it that normal reaction and just Yeah, it just felt like it was Now where I am it feels like it's a lot easier to do it It does get easier over time and I think you know, what's great is that you did compress it in your special circumstance But it also means that you haven't had a year and a half of practice So that will get better and better over time and it obviously seems to already be getting better. Yeah, so that's good So at this point, what's gonna come next? Like I don't want to go too much longer. We try and keep it about a half hour But so now you've made these giant strides like what's on the horizon? What do you what's gonna happen next? I'm hoping okay, so my parents are burlesque dancers and my mom just started traveling on a state for it Which is that is incredibly interesting Um right So november they have a show in I think it's kent, ohio Um, so it's like a 15 hour drive And I really want to go with I'm like super tempted. I'm like I'm gonna do it Um, only things I have to come up with the money to like have a hotel room So it's a little iffy, but I'm like I want to do it like even if I'm not like actually gonna like do The trip like if something came up financially where I couldn't go Even just planning to do these things like It just feels so good. I get so excited. I'm like I can actually do this I can even sit here and plan it without feeling those negative emotions like I can't do it So so it's not about like well, I might not be able to do it It could be practical things that will keep you from doing it money your schedule Yeah, exactly and I can even practice over time I could go on a little two hour like car ride up north or something Yeah, something fun like that like I could Build the exposure therapy up if I really needed to but it's just like it It feels so good to be able to say like I want to do this rather than I want to do this But I don't think I can do it. I don't think I'm going to ever be able to ever again Now I'm at the place where I'm like I want to go here then next there and just keep planning it over and over and like I know we have like a Like a every year we go to vegas like it's like a one once a year trip thing And I think next year we're going in june and I'm like I want to make it this time I want to go you have any doubt that you're going to be there. I mean Okay, that's honest I want to go but I'm I'm still a little Like just a little nervous because that one's more of like a I think we're on the road for like 24 hours But we stop and like a state sleep overnight and then go So I'm like that one might be a little tricky But if I could do the Ohio one I could definitely do that one So I'm not thinking I'm trying to not think too ahead of myself because like I don't I don't want to screw it up. But at the same time like I want to do it. I'm like, yeah, you won't And I'll tell you what's gonna wind up happening Like if you don't even have to do the 15 hours if you did a three or four hour overnight thing You're done. You'll be fine. You'll be in vegas. Yeah, I could sit on the road door dashing for 10 hours There's no difference. Same city. Like yeah, there's no difference Yeah, and so that's that's a super important point like that 10 hours out on the road Exactly. It didn't matter how far away you went Exactly. It makes you want to jump in the car and go 15 hours to Ohio. So there you go. Yeah, yeah, it's so great And then next year I'm going to be in another country. Like I'm just sitting here like That's what I want to do like yeah, even if it doesn't happen like just because of like finances or something I'm just sitting here like I want to do that Yeah, and you will and like you you actually can see that you can and you have confidence and you're smiling And like there's a future in front of you. So I I couldn't be more happy for you. This is so awesome. Yeah, me too Like yeah, it's a big deal just like thinking of where I was like Even just a few months ago to where I am now But it also took a lot of weeding out a lot of negative things like and realizing that it's just not all my fault like You know, there were so many big drastic changes that I had to make for my life and You know, I did it for me. I didn't do it for anybody else. I did it just for me Like I had to stay super dedicated and committed to it rather than just be like, okay I'm gonna do it like if you just have that mindset you're gonna go into it And it's not gonna you're not gonna see a recovery like this If you go and you're like this is gonna suck But I need to do it like You have to want it for yourself and once you go and you do it and you start like and it's it's not like an easy thing It's not coloring a coloring book every day And it's not smiles and giggles every day as you're sitting in this room talking about your traumas and like your experiences with panic and agoraphobia and health anxiety and depression whatever like it's Sitting there through the tears and blood and sweat and just like not wanting to be there But still showing up anyways Doing the work going home taking a four-hour nap because you're so drained waking up and doing it doing it again for six weeks And that was just for the program in general I've been at this since I was 13 years old and then I stepped foot in a psychiatrist's office and they're like You're stable. I'm like, I'm sorry. What what what is right, right? Let me ask you silly question I have to ask the question Were they were they surprised to see that because I remember you struggling with They wanted they're insisting on putting me on meds to stabilize me. I need these meds They insist they need them like was it a surprise to them to see like holy crap You're like okay now. Yeah, like it was really amazing for them and for me like A lot of people were kind of doubtful that I was even gonna sit through the program Like and just stay and see the day I get discharged like when I ended up getting discharged You know, they do this thing where like go around the circle and everybody says how like you impacted their life And what they've seen in you and they're just like it's so amazing to see where you were when you got here to where You are now like the instructor almost wanted to like cry because she was like holy crap like this is happening And so yeah Everybody kind of acknowledging that makes me feel super excited because it's like even I know where I was and how long I've been struggling with this since I was 13 is the longest I can think of I've gone through this and I haven't really seen a stable day like Anytime I wanted to be considered stable doctors were like you're not going to get stable unless you take an SSRI And I'm just like well, I don't want to take that because it makes me feel worse. So Um, so I remember a few months ago. It was like earlier this year. I was messaging my primary care doctor And I was like, I'm gonna have a seizure. This is it. You know, these medications aren't helping me. I don't know what to do so he was like Um, he told me something about how I wasn't gonna fix my brain chemistry or train my brain unless I take a medication Like an antidepressant and I was just kind of like I was like, you know what? Sorry, that's what that gets. Sorry Sorry $200,000 and four years of medical school you get this So I turn around and I'm like, sure. Okay. And now here I am and I just kind of I almost want to set up an appointment to go in to see him and just kind of yeah, give him the middle finger Like look at me now. Yeah How you like me now? I get it. You know, and I'm being facetious and funny to a certain extent But I think what you did is astounding and what you have ahead of you is astounding I just want to mention one more thing. So we don't go too long. You did mention the PTSD thing And and I understand that when you were in that outpatient, you know Inpatient, I guess would be when you're in the inpatient program every day for six weeks I know it was focused on that. It was kind of a PTSD a trauma resolution program, right? So you say well, you didn't really get anything out of the informations and stuff It was the process of of being forced to confront the fear. So The biggest leap forward was that mechanical nuts and bolts thing of face to fear learn not to be afraid Exactly, but the trauma is important. I I always try and acknowledge that what happened to you is real And you did learn that you had to deal with it in some way So I assumed that there was at least some of that that you have worked through And in a productive way and maybe still will continue for some time, right? That's part of this It wasn't just sitting in a panic like you also had to be There was definitely a lot of things Detailed about it. It's okay, but we always just try and acknowledge that it's not just about floating through panic in every case It's a lot of work. Like, you know, you see in the group like, you know float through it accept it whatever It's not as simple as just hearing it and then going and doing it Like it takes a lot of work a lot of practice to do it because like, you know That when I would hear you say that in the group, I would just think like, well, I can't do this tomorrow Like I can't be cured tomorrow. It doesn't work that way Exactly and I think a lot of people they hear that they see what you have to say because I think you have like a tough love approach So when people hear what you have to say they because I know for me personally I got like intimidated and I was like, I have to do this tomorrow But I don't do it tomorrow. Drew is going to be pissed at me. That was like my No That's not true Maybe people they see that and then they see how other people are doing and they think like why can't do that because They they just see what's going on in the group. They don't see it in an outside perspective what we're all doing What you're actually doing. Yeah, like we can all post a video of us driving in our car But it's so much more than that like it is So that's where I feel like People Really in the group really need to acknowledge that it's not it's definitely not something that that's going to happen overnight This is something you got to stay dedicated to for weeks. Yeah, yeah Yes, well, thank you so much and I appreciate it. All right. This has been so great. I'm so happy that you took the time I like I cannot thank you enough for that um Yeah, all I ever ask is pay it forward and you just did so Thank you so much Okay, we're good. Thank you so much. I'm sure we'll we'll talk again soon Exactly for those of those of you watching I'll put it on. I'm gonna this will be on youtube It'll be on facebook on wherever I am, you know, so it's that anxiety guy calm or the anxious truth calm We'll both get you to the same place. I'm gonna have to make that work now when we get done So before I put up the video and uh, yeah, we're good to go. So thank you very much And by the way if people have questions Maybe the facebook group if they want to ask you questions would that be the best place So follow the link join the group and if and you can comment on the video there And raven will be hanging around tag or whatever. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. All right guys. Yep. See you on the next one I will stop to record