 Hello to the people who are here Hey, you know, I'm feeling that because of the time Daylight time-saving changes in Europe, but not yet in America. Oh, they might be complicated Yeah, I've had a few meetings that have been confusing Good point good point Hmm. Yeah, I Wondered well Yeah, not sure Yeah, almost like wait and see here for a few minutes and see what happens, but yeah, I get your point. Yeah All right, let's wait and see Welcome all tell Randy Oliver Hi Taylor. I was just saying I have a feeling that because of the time zone The daylight time-saving haven't been started in Europe already. There might be Some mess with this meeting. Yeah, we probably have a couple of weeks for this with the We'll change our time zone in the US in a few weeks and then Have the same problems Well, the US is changing on November 7th. So I think we'll be back To be fully synced next Monday Greetings, Rich. Does anyone have any topics for today? I'm still waiting for my main system to Reconnect, let's see daylight seven today and you next Sunday for the US any other time zones we're gonna think about tell No, I don't know. All right. This is just a few of my morning meetings got a little screwed up because of this Let's see the cube con sessions are on YouTube now We've put some Last week we added some highlights with some names of Some sessions that look good. Check this out. What else do we have any pull request? We do does anyone have anything else today These all look pretty minimal What in this get merged these are just updates, I think to add the numbers I'm gonna merge that Depend about Victor on the call. No, we had some discussions last week around this one, but I don't See any use case it's being expanded to add That's something granny You'd like to Think it'd be a good area to expand and maybe do a write-up be there a user story or use cases Yeah, we definitely had a discussion last week. I'm Recalling what word the next steps we decided on Whether it's gonna be some type of focused on on that or is it gonna be a larger level? I think it was gonna be More than a very focused on that and we'd want to differentiate between like this one Yeah, I think the discussion was more focused on BGP and maybe Jeffrey was saying he might kind of Expand on this use case based on his experience All right, the other way that some of this can be written To have it more focused seems like maybe a fit for at least the not portion Be to write up some user stories. So these are a lot Describing a problem that we want to try to cover. This is under the supply chain attacks Yes I think in this case the use case is more the BGP the net is one of the problems to deal with We are talking about the user story, maybe something BGP based and again from not mistaken Jeffrey was volunteering to Kind of provide more details based on how they deploy BGP Oliver have y'all talked more anymore about this Use case that y'all had contributed Wondering if there's some best practices that we could pull out of here after y'all have now spent I don't know seems like it's Been a year when we got started it might have been less for the let's see four months ago So, you know, it's probably six months ago when we're digging into writing this up and then But it's been a good year worth of talking through all this sort of thing Yeah, no, I mean not specifically but I think I mean, you know, let me say I'm very keen on Making that happen. So I guess it's just a question of how, you know, I think for me at least I don't know for others. It's a little bit unclear, you know, just the process maybe of how we go from use cases to best practices I mean, if it's go through it now and identify what you think are best practices and then we present that to the group That's fine. Or if you see that as something where, you know, several people might want to do we do it as a discussion on the on the GitHub, I don't know. It may be just a little guidance there But I would be happy to try to carry this forward because it is important. So I think Regarding like best practices or what, you know, lessons learned around it that we could highlight And probably be talking to some of the current folks that are working on this stuff. And I mean, if that's something that you They would be interested in you want to do them. I could put some time To talk with you all about it. Okay. Yeah, I mean, that would be So I guess going like back to the user stories and then what we were trying to do on the During cube con Was asking more for what are challenges that people are facing. What are things that folks are having any specific problems or issues. If it's not talking about something here. Are there any. Is there anything else? Day to day recently like something relevant that you all have real world run into. Well, I've been starting to work on A new discussion around Proposed best practice regarding what I call fully declarative I have half of something written. I'm trying to use hack MD to see how well that works for me. It's public, but please don't read it yet. It's it's not done. I hope I'll be done by next week and we'll be able to present something. Is that a set of best practices? At this point, it's a discussion kind of on the style I did before regarding operators. So first of all, trying to examine the issue before I we actually are able to extract best practices from it. So maybe have a draft. I'm ready to review next week. Yeah, I think so. It depends on how this one project I'm working on is going. If I have time, if I have a day that I can work on it, I think I can probably finish it. Well, does anyone have anything else I'd like to look at. If everyone's time back. Hey, Daniel, can you hear me? Yeah, I can. You got anything you want to take a look at? I'll start as I start to be able to get some more free time for me. I'll be able to jump back to that. That's basically it. Okay. Well, say I will dig more into the actors and the characters on the set. It's not a lot of work. To be honest, it's not a talk about the actors. Okay. Well, same idyll I would dig more into the act of challenges. So if there's something that you've been working through and I think the most active challenges we have we're dealing on a day to day have been roles, for example, cluster admin roles and requirements for CRDs. These are the things we feel the most with the current when we deal with the CNS from vendors. Secondly is network segmentation. Network segmentation is still one of the biggest challenges we've seen, I think. So for example, you want to offer access to a cluster to be able to deploy some specific CNS. You don't want to give admin, but then you're forced to because of the CRD custom definitions that are required. But then those are things that are still in the day to day problems that we face. I think most operators face right now. And that is basically network segmentation. This is the ones I have top of top of edge right now, I would say. Denver, Drew, didn't we start working on a cluster admin role test for the CNF test suite? Or maybe it's in the queue? I think that one already got added as part of the Cubescape stuff we've been implementing. So that's a check to say if cluster admin role is being assigned. Daniel? The trick is we'd write, so we know we can do it. The question is, should we do it? And can we live without it? So are we able to, for us, if you're not a cluster admin, you actually just want to deploy a workload, even like, for example, 5G Core in our case or something like this, why should we assign admin roles, cluster admin roles to a specific set of users to be able to deploy those things as a workload? Right. Everyone, often people are just whatever is the easiest, right? So the idea with this test would be to say, hey, we think this is a bad practice to require it. So now you need to say why you need it. And then you get the exception. Oh, this is why. And I communicate it to you. And then other ones, hopefully go, oh, we don't really need it. Let's use a different role. It would be the encouragement there. And that was related to network segmentation? Or is that was? No, no, no. Network segmentation is the other problems we face the most. And that's the one where I'm right now focusing a bit more, because we can do multi interface. Multis is there, we can do multi interface. But then there's a whole thing about network segmentation that is not just popping a new interface on the on the pod that makes things work. The next step, how do you do network segmentation, but do the next step around? Okay, so I got a new interface, fine, I need to now mess with the routes of the pods. And then I need to find a way to make it connected to a real network, which is not just a VLAN interface. So those are the next steps that I think are missing. And we challenge, we face challenges every week with this. And in that case, the fix is either GNF design, or it's around augmenting things within either QDs or CNIs or something else to fix that issue. And there's various ways to do it. Oh, I was I muted? Did anyone hear me? I think you were because I didn't realize I was muted. All right. So I was asking you, Daniel, if you'd be up for writing these up, and I was like showing you, I think you may have come in. Sorry. So these both could be written up either as full use cases, which are more extensive like this one, the start over, or they could be smaller problem statements like these user stories, which are a little bit shorter. And then here we could, okay, I'd be happy to work with you on that. That's cool. Suggest saying. Perfect. So let's think, I think the CRD thing can be a problem statement while the network thing that they need to full use case. Great. That sounds great. And then we can expand from there and maybe share it with some different folks that you're, you know, like you had some suggestions on who could help reach out to different people for those perfect in the community. All right. Does anyone else have anything else? Hi, Victor. Hello, Taylor. No, I don't have anything. All right. Okay. Well, we'll end it here. Thanks, everyone. We'll see you next week. Bye, Taylor.