 other. I'm going to call the Monday September 21st 2020 water board meeting door. Heather can you please do the roll call sure chair Williams here. Allison cold. Peterson. Scott Holwick. Roger Lang. Staff member can Houston. Nelson Tipton. Here. West Lowry. Here. Kevin Bowden. Here. David Bell. Here. Nancy Jaffe. Here. Jason Elkins. Here. And Heather McIntyre is here and no council member Martin yet. Well before we get further into the agenda I just want to welcome Scott Holwick to his first water board meeting welcome Scott I'm glad you could join us today and going forward so thank you for your your time. With that I'm going to go on to item number three which is approval of the previous month's minutes. Is there any are there any questions or comments on the August 17 2020 water board minutes. Hearing none. I need a motion to approve a motion and a second to approve the August water board meeting minutes. So. Okay Roger we have a motion is there a second second Kathy Peterson. All right we have a motion a second any further discussion. Hearing none all those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed. Okay. Next item up go ahead just for the record I abstain from voting since I wasn't that last board meeting and have no idea what the minutes say or don't say. We appreciate that. Thank you Scott for the record. Thanks for sure. Next item item four is the water status report. Is that Wes or Nelson who's going to handle that one. I'll give that information. The flow of the St. Brain at Lyons Gage at 8am today was 18 CFS the 124 year historic average of 55 CFS for the state. The call on the St. Brain Creek is James ditch admin number 87 56 with a priority date of June 2 1868 the call on the main stem of the South Platte River is North Sterling Canal admin number 26 302.23953 with a priority date of January 5 1922 Ralph Price reservoir at Button Rock Reserve is currently spilling with 20 CFS being released and Union reservoir is at 25.1 feet or now an approximately 2000 acre feet. That's all I have. Okay. Thank you Wes for there any questions on the water status report and please speak up I don't have a screen where I can see everybody right now so if anybody has any comments please just speak up. Okay with that we'll go on to item 5 public invited to be heard in special presentations. Heather you mentioned there was one person who did want to speak are they are they with us. Yes they are. Okay I'm going to go ahead and ask you to unmute looks like you are able to unmute so if you please state your name and address for the record and then chair will be Williams would give you 3 minutes to speak. I'm high this is Lisa Flynn and I live at 9998 Weld County Road one here in Longmont and I actually just had a couple of questions. One was we have a half a share to the bonus stitch and we have a meeting coming up on the 29th and so I was curious as to what the the additional benefits and values to the minority shareholders were that were mentioned in the letter and then what the water. What the water is going to be used for and Heather did tell me that this was a comment period so that I will be en route next Tuesday for the phone call I'm not sure I will be in a good traffic area. So I thought I would try this avenue first. Lisa thank you for your comment I talked just briefly I think Ken Houston would be the one to maybe answer those questions that you have Ken are you on what would be the best way for Lisa to get in touch with you to get answers to those questions. Yes Lisa thank you I'm Ken Houston the water resources manager for the city of Longmont and we are indeed having a special stockholder meeting of the bonus ditch to talk about a potential change case the city will be filing and want to talk to the shareholders. There's a lot of a lot of things that go around change case in water court and so just to be real brief we're changing we're basically adding additional uses mostly augmentation to the degree so doesn't take away from the degree it adds to the degree and I'd be happy love to be able to talk to you about it. If you could just give me a call at my office number I I can go over the entire case with you and you can call me anytime I have it forwarded to my cell phone so you'll get me either way and my office number is 303-651-8340 and I'd be happy to try to give you and yeah if you can't make that meeting then I'll be if you're really good for me to talk to you before. Wonderful thank you so much I appreciate it and I will reach out offline then. Okay thank you Lisa have a good day. You too. Thank you Lisa. Ken are there any special presentations today. I have none. Okay then we're on to item 6 which is agenda revisions and submission of documents. I do have one agenda revision we're going to have Dave Hayes join us for the item on the Windy Gap firming project he can answer any questions you might have about the actual allotment contract or the other contracts as well as give you a little bit of a background on some of the legal aspects of that case of that agreement so he was not available until about 320-330 and so with your indulgence we'll postpone item 8a and tell about 330 one day we'll be able to be on the meeting and then we can go ahead with cash and loo and it may be some of the items from staff. Okay so we will address 8b before item 8a based on Ken's comment so just everybody be aware of that. The next item we have is development activity. I did not see any is that correct Wes. That's correct we have none this month. Okay well with that we move right into 8b which is a cash and loo review Wes are you going to handle that. I will and since we have 20 minutes I'm going to talk very slowly. No so included in your quarterly review we have some information as you've seen before the three basic criteria that you're using to set cash and loo. I think it's on page 76 of your packet. The first one was the native basin water rights transactions still really just limited transactions that have occurred those being Lake Macintosh and oligarchy ditch and at an average cost of just a little over $15,000 an acre foot those are consistent with what you saw in the last quarterly review. The second one the number two the cost for new water supplies. The only let's see those numbers stayed the same we looked at the bureaus of reclamation construction cost index and as it turned out was the same as the last quarter and so there really was no adjustments we just updated those in the last quarter especially for windy gaps so you see that the the average for them is 17,788 with a weighted average that was based on the firm yield for their respective or their dry yield sorry for their respective water supplies at 16,660 and then I'll remind water board that currently cash and loo is what the windy gap firming project amount was which is said at $17,683 an acre foot. So then the new information in this in this quarterly review would be number three the CBT allotment units and so if you were to scroll down to the next page it'll probably come out Heather will probably pull it up for us but in June we had 167 units that were transferred at an average cost of $78,703 an acre foot then in July we had 73 units transferred at an average of $78,560 an acre foot and lastly in August there were 67 units that transferred at an average cost of $76,579 an acre foot so the average of all those three months was just a little over $78,000 per acre foot so as as we've seen quite quite expensive relative to the construction cost of new water supplies and any native basin water rights transfers so other than that there's really nothing real new to report but if you have any questions I'd be happy to take those. Are there any questions for Wes? And and and what I said also I don't know if any of the Water Board members happened to catch it in the newspaper last week but the town of Wellington up just north and east of Fort Collins a little bit just increased their cash in lieu price to a little over a hundred thousand dollars an acre foot and and that was a that was quite an increase for them and it's made quite an impact it made a little bit of a splash on the local news up there so it's just if you don't have a you don't have availability of good local supplies or things like the Windy Gap Firming Project or some of those supplies the alternatives are pretty expensive. One maybe I'll mention a couple of things for Allison and Scott's benefit. I think I know this is the first time I think we've gone over this with the two new board members. You know what we try to do is visit this quarterly to make sure that the cash in lieu rate for the city of Longmont is kind of staying up with what we believe is the current cost of developing new supplies within the city so that developers are truly paying their own way and they're they're paying it at the current rate we expected to cost the city. A couple other notes under the cost for new supplies. You'll notice that water conservation is lower than the Windy Gap Firming Project and then we have a cost estimate for Union and Button Rock enlargements. Under water conservation you know I guess one question would be why don't we maybe lower that cash in lieu. I think the thought of the board in the past has been that's kind of there's a limited amount of water development that can be done at that price and we have an entire water conservation plan that we're trying to enact so you know if you tried to say hey we get $10,600 per acre foot on developing large quantities that really doesn't hold very well and then on the Union and the Button Rock those are just kind of those are cost estimates that were done quite a while ago and I believe staff tried to update those to current standards in terms of you know construction pricing but those would take a lot more effort than I think what is to actually build those in terms of permitting and you know getting them ready for construction so those are kind of estimates more than their probably you know hard costs at this point. The Windy Gap Firming Project on the other hand is a lot more vetted there's actually a contractor that's been selected and has given a bid for the project. There's kind of questions with regards to the timing and related costs to the project but that one is kind of a different level in terms of surety with regards to cost than the other items listed under you know the cost for new water supply. The one other thing I'd maybe mention is under native water supply you'll notice those are lower but those are limited as well both for Lake McIntosh and Oligarchy. The city has allowed people to dedicate that as non-historic water and that continues to happen but the city has not chosen not to date to try to get into those markets and buy those supplies directly so that once again to be somewhat limited as to the amount of water could be that could be developed in that way. Ken or Wes is there anything else you guys want to mention I guess on those items I'm just thinking so Scott and Allison can maybe understand this a little bit better how the process works and maybe a little background behind the numbers. Yeah I appreciate you doing that Todd and that's all really spot on there we really have been focusing on the Windy Gap firming project for all of the reasons that Todd outlined and they're all all good and valid and then the other half of the equation of that is that money that we get for cash and loo currently as well as in the foreseeable future will go to actually pay for the Windy Gap firming project itself that's actually where all of our cash and loo that we have will have accumulated at the time that we post our cash our money for the Windy Gap firming will go up to that project and so the most fair equitable thing to compare the cash and loo up is the Windy Gap firming not only will we use it at the time of construction but in the in the near term for the next three four five or so many years we'll also use it to help pay off the bonds because of the 40 40 approximately 49 million dollar cash that we need to come to the table with 36 million will be from the bond was approved a couple years ago by the voters by the citizens for the Windy Gap firming project so when we take out that bond we'll have to pay those bonds off and we'll part of that money to pay those bonds off will be cash and loo so that's really why more recently we've been looking fairly closely at the Windy Gap firming project is the appropriate venue to to compare and set that cash and loo and I'll add that just kind of as a just general numbers so since we've started taking cash and loo in about 1965 we have received around a little over 11 million dollars in cash and loo with about a little over a third of that just in the last eight years so more people for development have chosen to use cash and loo as opposed to transfer of non-historic water rights as they're allowed in the raw water requirement policy primarily for availability and because they're able to explain that to the bank who's usually paying that up front to just get a bill and so we've had some conversations very recently with marquel Holmes who's doing a large development and they're putting in their financing we're expecting to get a check for a little under a million dollars soon and then there's another large development that might be around that we'll see it's it's it's kind of a difficult gauge they really have to wait to the last minute but those are some of the bigger numbers that we're expecting to be coming through as it relates to cash and loo in the near future though. Thank you Wes and Ken. Scott or Allison do you guys have any questions with regards to the cash and loo how it's calculated or the history of that? No thank you. Mr. Chair I have a just a quick maybe observation slash question so as I understand it then the windy gap firming project is kind of the the metric on which we proceed forward at least now because it's relevant it's timely it's the cost of water development the other the native basin water rights transaction CBT allotment costs kind of a check and balance so if those things skewed wildly in a different direction that would cause us to potentially rethink or relook at our underlying assumption that the windy gap firming project costs are probably you know valid is that the way we look at that? And I can give you a little bit of my thought and then Wes and Ken can step in if need be I think you know maybe a little history there is when I came on the board the CBT price was the metric that was used and then I think as we proceeded and in the windy gap firming project became you know closer to receiving the necessary permits and then firmed up the construction price obviously there's a huge swing there in terms of order of magnitude of CBT prices in relation to to windy gap so we did have that discussion Scott with the city council at that point and there was a decision at that point to try to tie it to the kind of actual true cost of developing additional supplies so you're right I think those do give kind of almost like book in the you know give you some relative cost and as Ken mentioned some entities are out there using CBT and you know the Wellington using 100,000 versus the 78,000 that may be what yield they give for a CBT unit may account for that difference but just gives you some idea of the other options to develop supplies but you know like I said there has to be a little context given when you start looking at those of you know what is kind of behind the numbers and you know the main reason is because we're moving forward with windy gap firming that's the the direction we're going we're using those prices but this does give us some context of what the cost of developing other supplies is so yeah I think that does give that that information as you mentioned Scott anything Ken or Wes you want to add to that no I think that was excellent Todd I I do I think it has it has been you know we have continued to monitor the CBT because I think even though we made a decision quite a while ago that we wouldn't be out in the CBT market obviously you can see why we still think it's valuable to track that and know know where that's going because it does it does give a bigger picture of what's happening in the water world you know in northern Colorado and if nothing else it lets you appreciate prior water boards and councils that helped us develop a wonderful a great water system here and how valuable that is I guess unless there's other questions what we need to do today is come up with a recommendation for the the city council as to the cash and loo rate if we follow what we've done previously the windy gap firming project is at the 17683 I guess that Ken and Wes that's where we're currently at right so I guess the question would be do we need a motion to you know reaffirm that or if we're going to if we decide to leave it the same do we need a motion in a second on that I don't need a formal motion if you don't want to change just your recommendation as such okay I guess with that I'll ask the board is there anyone who wants to entertain or recommend a cash and loo price other than the 17683 related to the when you get firming project and I'm not hearing anybody and like I said I can't see everybody so anyone okay sounds like we're going to leave the the cash and loo price at the current rate of 17683 until we revisit it again here in a few months Ken or are you guys ready for the 8a discussion um why don't we go on to 9a and and we'll jump back to 8a when Dave gets on that's fine okay so item 9a is the button rock preserve update and ken are you leading that yeah I am actually uh I'm uh real happy to report a number of things uh up at button rock um probably the most significant uh item we have as we've finished all of our interviews for both the senior watershed ranger and the watershed ranger positions permanent positions up at button rock um in august um we have made uh uh additional job offers to um two candidates um and I believe they both passed all their tests so I think I can I can give out their names right now um we've selected as the uh senior watershed ranger uh gentleman by the name of price hadley um price comes to us from uh pitkin county uh he was an open space ranger in pitkin county primarily dealing with uh some property they had on the uh stream up there should forget the name of the stream now that goes through aspen but um they have they have a lot of um recreational use of the stream and so did a lot of work with the kayak communities and the fishing communities he also did some work on some pitkin county open space properties uh off the stream so he's got some good uh four stewardship abilities as well um so we're we're real excited to get price on he'll be starting uh monday the fifth of october and then um our this will be the first year that we've actually been able to hire both a full our regular senior watershed ranger as well as a full-time assistant watershed ranger um we've converted we had the watershed ranger and then we had two uh seasonals we've converted one of those seasonals to a permanent position and so now we'll have the senior watershed ranger the assistant watershed ranger as well as a seasonal next summer but um our current seasonal uh myles churchill uh was selected for um the assistant watershed ranger position and you know i can't give enough of a shout out to myles he he essentially was there alone all summer um through the entire covid situation bunrock everybody else kept closing stuff which kept putting more and more and more pressure on bunrock preserve at one time we had the entire parking lot full people parking a mile and a half up the road at a school bus turnaround parking on the county road down below that hiking in a mile and a half just to get to the facility because it was one of the few facilities that was open and and myles hadn't handled it wonderfully and just you can't so so i'd really like to give a shout out to him so we're now fully staffed at um bunrock and we'll be staffed this way for the wintertime period next spring we'll hire our seasonal to bring us back up to three but um real excited to get them uh they'll both be living up in the area so we'll have you know 24 hour people up there they won't be on duty 24 hours but they'll be there so we'll that'll work real good um things are going very well at bunrock uh the outlet at bunrock as as west was telling you a little earlier is down to 21cfs coming out of the outlet that's as low as i can ever remember it being this time of year uh it's just been dry enough this summer once the last tiny bits of the snowpack melted up up in the high country the creek is creek creek was running about 40 to 50 percent of normal most of the summer especially towards the end of the summer about 40 percent and now it's even lower than that and so um that that's a little scary this you know it's a little early have that lowest snowpack that's that's uh i mean stream flow that's kind of kind of tough on the aquatic environment up there you know it's kind of tense luckily the most of the water is coming out of the reservoir so that's cooler and that keeps the stream kind of protects against those low stream flows that if the reservoir weren't there it'd probably get critically hot if it were just natural stream flow so luckily we have that um our um as you may remember last spring we we brought um information on the management plan there's ongoing up at bunrock um we're actually still working on that doing some of the drafting and we hope to come back um we'll come back this fall um with a draft of that plan um for water board to start looking at hopefully october or november but but hopefully sooner than later but um so expect to see that fairly soon we're we're getting you know we have some good um data and we hope to bring that back to the council fairly quickly so um that's about all I have the visitation has luckily dropped off quite a bit of the hot weather always kind of pulls back on the visitation at the bud rock so like our parking lots running about half full now and so that's really good I did kind of back more to a normal visitation so things are going very well there and um we hope to hope to keep going from there and then uh so that's all I have on on uh bud rock that I believe um chair williams we did have Dave uh join us so we can go to item 8af we're ready to do that okay can do you want to why don't we finish this this one out and then we can jump over there yeah that's all I had on bud rock so you know I did want to make one comment um you know I think we're as we're seeing in the the fires up the pooter canyon I mean that's going to have potential major effects on Fort Collins Greeley tri district water supplies and maybe once again for Scott and Allison's benefit you know my experience on the board to date has been that I think staff has done an amazing job in terms of leveraging some of the city funds and resources to try to do water um shed management um kind of thinning of the forests and the watershed going into button rock um which I think you know obviously if you can't as we're seeing with some of the fires you can't control um all of those aspects especially if it's kind of rough terrain that sort of thing so I just as you Scott and Allison get further into it I think there there's just been a lot of work done historically on making sure that watershed stays as healthy as possible and try to minimize or um you know the the fire impacts if something were to happen so you'll see more about that but just kind of a little preview as we get deeper into it I think there there's been good work and hopefully we'll continue to be good work in that regard to giving the importance of that water supply to to city of long months overall water system so anyway that's all I had to anybody else have any comments on the button rock preserve update okay then Todd one last comment I would thank you for bringing that up one last comment I would make about that as well is that um we have the city at water board reviewed and recommended approval and council approved an intergovernmental agreement with the U.S. Forest Service Boulder County and a lot of um the local um fire agencies in the St. Brain Creek Basin both South St. Brain and North St. Brain including Boulder Creek but for us it's really St. Brain Creek and that intergovernmental agreement will allow us to work cross boundary um for the first time since I've ever been here um really fires respect no property boundary so um it's actually kind of an exciting new area for us to be able to go into to to maybe look at a more watershed scale um fire fire prevention aspect so thank you for that yeah thanks Ken all right so now we'll move back up to 8a which is the when you get firming project final allotment contract recommendation I mentioned uh to Ken earlier um and Heather that um I I think most of you know um on the northern Colorado water conservancy district board of directors and also the municipal sub district um board of directors and based on that you know there's obviously going to be that side of it in terms of this allotment contract um it's going to have to go in front of the the enterprise fund which I'm on the board of directors for um so based on that I'm going to abstain from the discussion of 8a and I'm going to turn it over I'm actually going to turn off my video and in audio and I'm going to let Kathy take over the meeting at 8a and then I'll come back once once you guys are done with that discussion go ahead Kathy okay Kathy Peterson I'm the vice chair here and this 8a is the when you get firming project final allotment contract recommendation what we need is a recommendation from the water board to the city council on the final allotment contract which is now has gone from 8 000 acre feet to 7500 acre feet and I think uh is it Dave Hayes is going to do a little background and review for the new board members or for all of us but probably wouldn't heard of how we got here and uh what we're being asked to do cool thank you Kathy appreciate or Ken is going to I'll turn it over to Dave thank you Kathy for that introduction um yeah we have before us the actual final allotment contract to take action on um just to kind of real quickly on the history we've we've uh for many years have been doing interim allotment contracts as we do the engineering the the bidding the high getting a contract on board we're now getting all the permits getting everything done I've all been handled with interim allotment contracts so the final um the final allotment contract is really the it will put all those to rest and and this will be the contract that we'll have going forward that will operate the reservoir from this point forward it'll actually be the last last contract as you may recall last august we looked at or excuse me last july we looked at the preliminary allotment contract and went to city council on august fourth for direction um water board recommended and council uh voted to set long month's final participation at 7500 acre feet in the project and as such a couple things we needed to do to get that done the first of course was to get in an allotment contract at the 7500 acre foot level we had participated 8 000 acre foot up to that point and so we had 500 acre feet that needed to be reallocated to other participants there were two participants that um had expressed interest for some time that um either to long mode or any participants if they were to go down they would they wanted additional capacity the first was the city of loveland and we had uh worked with them before so the city of loveland had a goal of 10 000 acre feet and they're about 400 acre feet short of that 413 acre feet short of that and so of the 500 acre feet the city of loveland will take 413 acre feet the other entity a much smaller entity is the city of fort lofton um and so the remaining 87 acre feet um they were very happy to be able to have an opportunity to participate they actually had um balanced their windy gap firming project with the windy gap water parent water that they owned but they got additional um windy gap parent project water i believe from for uh library of power and so they needed a little more um firming project to go with that so they have actually already taken it to their city council and got direction from their city council to go ahead and proceed with 87 so um we'll we'll be good for that so really what i have before you today um obviously the most important part is the final windy gap uh allotment contract that's the bulk of the package 40 45 some pages um but in addition to to asking for a recommendation on the firming project allotment contract i also have attached an escrow agreement the firming project allows us to either pay cash or to participate in a pool bond because of some some aspects of our city charter we're not able to participate in the pool financing so we'll be paying cash even though we'll issue our own bond for part of that so we have an escrow agreement attached that escrow agreement is basically how we move our money up to northern water they'll set it up in a separate escrow just under our name and they'll pull money out of that as as needed to construct the project it helps make sure that that's a formal formal agreement to move them that's a lot of money to move around so that that does that um and then the third and fourth agreements are basically the two igas between the city of longmont and the city of loveland and the city of uh for lopton in essence what we have to do we do an iga with those two cities and then together we submit a petition to northern water uh asking them to assign the 500 acre feet of capacity to those two entities that actually went to the northern board um early in september just as a kind of a preliminary review the the actual petitions was was not before but the concept was and their board agreed in concept that generally the form of our petition application to them was good and that they would generally favor those petitions if they came before them that's really kind of what we needed to make sure um everything it's kind of a chicken and egg all of this has to fit together so we wanted to make sure the northern board um was okay with that and they were but actually formally approve it in october um but um or or early november there may do a special meeting late october uh if if all aspects of the agreement can go forward if not one thing i did want to point out on the allotment contract is that in the section under pooled financing um that really technically doesn't affect longmont because we won't be participating in the pooled financing but there there is uh uh part of that is for a 30 year note a 30 year bond about half of the pooled financing participants want a 20 year bond and about half of them want a 30 year bond and so the northern district is doing everything they can to try to see if they can make that work of course you got to go you know you got to go to the people to have the money and say hey will you do that and so you gotta you gotta have them smiling when uh when you come up with language that will work so they really are trying hard but um there's no guarantee that they'll be able to make that happen so exactly what happens with the bonding institutions and whether they can make that that language may tweak slightly between now and when this agreement goes to city council we're currently scheduled for city council on October 13th but we may have to do it on on two weeks later um on the 27th of October when uh if that language isn't 100 done yet so that we'll we'll probably know that yet later this week so um but with that caveat knowing that that particular part of the contract isn't 100 done everything for longmont we believe is done and that language is is good to go forward so that's why we're recommending we take action um so that's kind of where we are with all the contracts and with everything that's going on um I would like to uh turn it over to Dave and let him just kind of give you a real quick rundown of what the different sections of the allotment you know how what what is an allotment contract where it goes just so we have that on the record just so we um give also give the board an opportunity if there's any part of any of these contracts that you have a legal question um Dave would be much well better situated than me to answer those questions so um go ahead and introduce Dave Hayes our special water council and uh let him jump on as well thank you okay thanks Ken okay go ahead Dave except we can't hear him I think it's muted Heather can you see Dave yeah he's muted I think yeah he's muted he is muted hold on one second okay I think can you hear me now we got it yep okay technical uh technical malfunction um well it's a pleasure to to appear before you this afternoon I was telling Ken I've I've been special counsel along with Ray Petros to longmont me personally for about 20 years now and this is actually the first time I've been in attendance at a waterboard meeting I've been to a number of city council meetings and worked with staff countless times but never a waterboard meeting for some reason so it's a pleasure to to meet you albeit wish it was in person um the allotment contract at its girth of 45 or so pages is a creature that's taken a long time to to get to this form um started negotiations with the sub-district and all the participating entities back last before thanksgiving I think it was and had a number of meetings in person up in berthard that were long multi or well full day sessions and then eventually moved online and worked through a lot of issues over the course of almost the last year so you can rest assured this document's been very heavily vetted by a lot of different attorneys not only of water interests but municipal interests and financial interests also so it is safe to say it's it's hopefully in pretty good shape at this point you know despite being a hefty document what it what it really kind of boils down to in a lot of ways is on page seven paragraph two um that's that's the guts of it and what it does is it it is an allotment a right essentially granted by the municipal sub-district when to get firming project enterprise um granting longmont 7500 acre feet essentially of capacity or you know roughly 8.3 3% of the the project whatever its ultimate capacity will be in the chimney hollow reservoir um one way to kind of think of this is from an analogy standpoint is akin to um shares of stock in a mutual ditch company um the the sub-district will be the owner essentially of chimney hollow reservoir um as far as title itself goes but the participants themselves have funded it much like shareholders in a ditch company and instead of shares of stock because the the sub-district is a creature of statue to quasi-governmental entity uh the the rights to the use of the the water rights and in this case really the water works um are who granted to the individual participants in the form of perpetual contracts so so that's what paragraph two really does there it it'll lots perpetually longmont the right to 7500 units in the project um subject obviously to the the terms and conditions of the contract um so while you could boil it down to that one paragraph as as to the important part there there's obviously a lot more to it um and i'll kind of just give you a quick overview of of the sort of the highlights of the contract um the recitals sort of outline a little bit of the background about the firming project and recital d actually sort of gives you the road map of what the the four main parts of the contract do um part one being definitions there's quite a few of them most of them are fairly straightforward and explanatory or self-explanatory uh one uh a couple of note would be 1.8 the costs and expenses definitions there's a breakdown of various expense categories that'll be associated with the project um capital funding first to initially construct the reservoir um if there's cost overruns uh completion costs and expenses and then what would typically be considered kind of o and m which they're calling uh operating c and e and then also there's a provision for future extraordinary say if there was a you know a damn failure issue uh cost to repair it that kind of thing and in those how those are handled are spelled spelled out elsewhere on the contract um another important definition would be uh 1.27 when to get firming project a latte there's two categories there as ken kind of alluded to there's cash a lattes and there's loan a lattes long long being a cash a latte at least initially because like ken said you'll be paying upfront from your own revenue sources um so so into part two of the contract and feel free to jump in if you have questions at any point um like i said paragraph two of part two is pretty critical there that's the grant of the actual right um paragraph three or section three there in that part two kind of deals with uh what happens as the project as the chimney hall is being built um before final completion and and you know what might happen if it's determined to be infeasible that kind of thing if the project were terminated um and it establishes when it's considered complete which gets into paragraph four then is is uh operation after completion uh importantly spelled out a few key terms um but a lot of the operational aspects are yet to be determined and will kind of be developed through operating experience to some extent and also yet to be negotiated through operating uh principles which um ken has been stressing the need for seeing those sooner than later and is is um on the committee that's that's helping to develop those those will be important um kind of jumping through into paragraph 5.3 spells out provisions regarding defaults um that was that took a lot of time and negotiation among the parties how um the process works if if an entity doesn't pay their you know assessments and operating expenses on an annual basis what's the you know cure period that's developed um what's the penalty if you ultimately don't cure um and what happens if you know party forfeits it's some or all of its interest who who gets to take up um that forfeited interest so that the 5.3 is definitional primarily through that um and then 5.4 it kind of gets into uh how that process works and i'll get to that here in a little bit um jumping real quick back just to 5.1 it does identify that uh the operating provisions are perpetual under the contract a couple of the sections will go away for instance the the construction provisions section three um but but the the allotment itself is perpetual so paragraph six Dave yes sorry this is just like i apologize for interrupting you said to jump in i looked at this a little bit um because that's what i do for a living and um i think there might be an inconsistency between paragraph 5.7 the amendments provision and paragraph 5.8 in particular sub paragraph four that there there's language i think is meant to protect longmont and i think it's correct in 5.8.4 but i it doesn't read right in 5.7 so i i don't know if you want to look at it outside of this conversation it's the last clause and it looks like it allows the possibility of a material adverse impact on longmont's rights whereas i think it should be not resulting does not result in so i can send that to you in an email if you want but before anybody signs it at city council if it does operate to be opposite of what you intended or what the group intended it was just something i caught i wanted to share with you yeah i appreciate that scott why don't you send that to me and um they are you know still amenable to yeah hopefully that's an editorial change as much as anything although it's goes to substance correct yep thank you uh would you mind repeating that please sorry it's under uh paragraph 5.7 the amendments clause i think is one long sentence and it's the last phrase which talks about five lines from the bottom and further provided that this contract may not be amended without longmont's written consent in a manner that results in a material adverse impact and it may be correct it's really awkwardly stated but in 5.8.4 underneath that it says the exact opposite or at least is worded the exact opposite way and so it may just be a really awkward last phrase in 5.7 it may actually mean what it means to say but it doesn't read very well and i wanted to at least alert you that it could be read differently in my opinion now that's good there was a lot of last minute wrestling with you know what it takes to amend this contract between the parties and and so there was a lot of changes there at the end and probably just you know somehow got inconsistent or so so thanks and it may it may mean exactly what it says anyways and i may be misreading it but it was awkward to read so i thought i pointed out okay well we'll look at that and we'll talk with ben and also about it also i had a quick question regarding the enterprise board rules and regulations those are specifically referenced here and have those been reviewed do we have copies of those we do not they have not been promulgated to date and we bet we have asked them about that you know that was that's the operating rules the enterprise board rules have been a bit of a concern that we we've raised issues about in the past is to you know whether that could impair the right we think we're getting and they've tried to address that through some of the language that scott was just alluding to about you know nothing can result in a material adverse impact to the rights under this contract and that that's sort of strewn throughout here in a number of places but um you know obviously without seeing those we there's probably a minor degree of risk there okay and similarly with exhibit b it looks like that is a tbd here real quick so yeah so that would be that applies to yeah because there's no those costs wouldn't be known at this point so those would be populated once uh that applies to if there's costs beyond the initial estimate to construct or the future extraordinary would be you know a damn problem that had to be corrected down the road and there's a process you know just jumping into that the the way the allotment contract spells things out right now for the initial funding for construction long months of cash a lot t but if those future costs are presented long one has a choice they can decide whether to be a cash a lot t or a pooled finance a lot t in that case um and the default if you don't make that choice as you become a pooled finance a lot t so so that exhibit b spreadsheet would populate once those costs are known and are we going to have any sense of that prior to the october um board meeting um i'm sorry the board meeting of the city council of sense of that being uh which direction um will be going as far as that default kicking in or not oh well those would only be you wouldn't have to decide until those actually came up okay right now the the city has determined it would be a cash a lot t for the the initial financing okay so that 30-year bond is completely inapplicable under the current correct correct yeah that that goes into part four of the contract which really doesn't apply to long months current position for the initial capitalization okay thank you and i have a couple other questions but um yeah just let you go on um okay um so i think i was actually kind of getting into the funding provision there are just about to in part two section part six um the the windy gap funding project funding and so there's a you know the the initial capital costs there's you're either a cash participant um for the the initial 600 million dollars um or a or part of the pooled financing provision and then 6.2.2 kind of gets to that completion c and e costs and expenses if if that initial estimate of 600 million dollars if it winds up being 800 million the parties are going to have to figure out you know how to how to fund the additional 200 million whether they want to pay it up front or be part of pooled financing for that and same with 6.2.3 that's you know if there's a crack in the dam or whatever you know 20 years from now the the parties need to decide how they pay for that um so that that paragraph sort of spells out the procedure for uh for initial and future financing um there's also reserve funds that will be maintained uh for both operating o and m expenses and um within the the pooled financing people there's sort of a uh i don't know a pre prepayment kind of pool that's maintained in case somebody defaults to make sure they make their bond payments on time um and those are kind of all spelled out in section six uh so section part three section seven this is what's applicable to longmont currently for the initial capitalization um basically long model pay it's almost 50 million dollars uh over to the sub district they'll hold it in in escrow pursuant and there's a separate escrow agreement that's that's an exhibit and they've also set up as the the final agreement for execution um basically uh the sub district or the enterprise at least of the sub district will hold that cash and invest it pursuant to some investment standards they've adopted um and you know dole out those funds prorata for each entity that they're holding the money for as as construction costs are incurred um and you know to the extent there's there's surplus cash leftover that they've kind of kept in segregated accounts for each entity and they'll report regularly and and provide auditing information um to the extent there's there's any money left over knock on wood there at the end it'll be refunded to the city and then part four as i mentioned really applies to the low and a lot tease and the pooled financing that's a little more complicated um just because they have to sort of manage where the funds are going and what's getting paid off first as far as the the bonds and and all that um i mentioned the default provisions and how those apply they vary a little bit between whether it's for the pooled financing payments whether it's for you know whether you default on your initial cash cash payment um and then also as to o and m payments but the the basics are there's there's about a year period for each one that's applicable if you if you miss your initial deadline you have they send out the enterprise sends out a notice and you've got a period to cure um if you don't cure by really over a year in the end then you've the each you're you've defaulted as a final default and you forfeit essentially um your your interest and you know how much of that interest depends on sort of your non-equity interest that you would forfeit at that point plus a penalty of of a vested interest in some cases um so it's it's kind of a balance of giving enough time to make sure these entities have time to pay if they run into trouble but also providing a pretty strong incentive and a heavy penalty if you don't ultimately and again that was a pretty controversial issue to try and work through so it's it's fairly complicated termed um but that that's sort of the overview of the contract it's obviously the details are fairly complicated but that gives you an overview I think sounds good any more questions for Dave Ellison did you want something else answered yes thank you very sure Peterson um I did have a couple of questions I'm sorry I'm just scrolling up to where it is um specifically regarding the operating C&E or O&M um the last what page are you on page three of the agreement page 12 of our packet it's a paragraph 1.8.2 so definitions yeah yeah okay um um they're the last line um operating C&E just includes any and all costs and expenses that are not capital C&E that may accrue after execution of this contract that seemed fairly open ended to me um as did number three to meet regulatory requirements associated with the WGFP that's um the third uh item in that list and specifically I was wondering given that the federal case is still uh outstanding please correct me if I'm wrong would that include additional litigation that Longmont might be on the hub forest forest funding to get that permit in place well so the intent I think of the sub-district is that any funding won't occur until the federal litigation is finished um so I'm not sure the allotment contract will be kicked in until the the litigation's finished at this point um but I could be confusing that at this can do you recall were they going to handle through further interim agreements until these were all executed um no they're they're so so they've made a decision I think if I describe how the pooled financing folks are going to get their money um it might help uh the pooled financing participants have two pots of money they're going to go for the first is the Colorado Water Conservation Board has approved a loan in the in the sum of 90 million dollars which we call the subordinate loan because it will be subordinate to the um the issuance of the bonds for the pool and so the the remainder of of the money which is the bulk of the money three or four hundred million dollars that the pooled financing folks will take they'll they'll they'll issue a bond and then following up the original plan was that would be followed up with the subordinate loan from CWCB to kind of finish out the construction and that was really um the original idea behind that was actually pretty good because the CWCB loan doesn't start accruing interest until you draft on it um you know when you pull out a bond you have to start paying the interest right away I mean you can make a little bit of interest but usually not as much as you have to pay out but the CWCB loan was kind of it was there it was guaranteed but you didn't have to draft that money until late in the project um now because of the federal lawsuit um the the idea is that they're not going to issue a bond the pooled bond until the federal lawsuit is done but but if in fact um to keep the project moving especially to keep the um the project has some expenses related to environmental mitigation work that was triggered upon the issuance of the federal permit um and and the federal lawsuit doesn't change that timing so there's a number of number of things that are going on in addition the participants are all very interested in keeping the connectivity channel construction on the Colorado River around the windy gap reservoir going because three-fourths of that funding is federal funding that will lose if we don't get it built by a certain time so that project is still kind of going on um but but there's a number of things like that so the if we don't get a answer on the federal lawsuit fairly soon then the trigger is they're going to go the the project will go pull some of that CWCB money that's what the pooled financing folks will do the cash financing folks will have to bring an equivalent amount of money to whatever the CWCB draft is or proportionate of that and that'll go in to do the interim so that's the interim if the if the federal case comes back and and basically the final case isn't going to mandate that we do any additional work or any additional things other than it can say the permit's not valid until you study this or you do this or you do something else and so yeah at that point we would have to go back in and do that and that would require possibly even an amendment to the the allotment contract because that depending on what the federal court says we're pretty confident there you know we tried to cross every T and not every I you know we're pretty confident but you never know what a federal court will say so there is money in the project so the construction bid had one price if we got a ruling last spring it had another price if we got a ruling in time to start construction this fall that was about four or five million dollars more and now that we've missed this fall we're currently talking to the contractor about what the price will be if we can if we get a ruling and we start next spring we think that's probably on the order of a similar four or five six million dollar increase um there's there the the six hundred million dollar price that we're going forward has enough money in there to cover that part of a cost increase because the fall number had we started working fall the bid would have been about five hundred and uh well all the all the all the dollars would have been about five hundred and eighty or ninety million dollars so still a little bit of money um for a delay on the federal case until next spring but if it goes if it goes much more I mean we're getting we're getting pretty tight on on the ability to hold the contractor's feet to the his bid as well as um you know what you can only carry that so long so yeah there there is a little bit of a risk there based on when that federal case comes down we believe right now we're covered with both the estimate what this contract is bringing forward plus what it will cost us additionally with the contractor for a start of construction next spring but beyond that um if we don't get a uh ruling sometime uh yeah it's it's going to be tough and Allison I think you know part of your question was where would the litigation costs fall as far as these c&es and I think the it would fall under the operating most likely the way these are defined okay um follow up question to that um and and what you just explained kind of thank you so much um if the court did come back and indicate that there was a significant amount of work say it's doable but it is takes doing would that potentially trigger winding up under 3.4.1 which is on page seven um specifically under the infusibility and practibility impracticability and inability to fund um specifically what I'm concerned about there is it it looks like basically what happens under those circumstances is the enterprise sells to the sub-district and then all the assets are divided up pro rata and if long wants a cash buyer paying up front would mean we'd have more sunk costs than other parties potentially and I don't know if I'm understanding this incorrectly but that that seems like a potential concern that might be lingering there if things go sideways with the federal lawsuit I I mean I think that's a potential scenario where there could be wound up if it if the litigation looked like it would not be a positive outcome um as far as the ensuring longmont got back what it had put in proportionately I I have to find where it is but I know that was an issue addressed in here that um when refunding money that cash participants got back you know you the cash participants money wasn't going to pay the pooled participants way and I I'd have to dig out exactly where that concept is in here but I I know that was an issue that was raised and then addressed okay and I think it was below I guess the sentence that got me a little confused was in 3.4.3 any remaining funds shall then be distributed to the WGFP Lotties based on their respective participation percentages so in that case Bermfield would get a pretty large chunk um even though maybe longmont paid cash up front so so um Allison and Dave the um the the allocation of those funds longmont's funds will be kept in the that's part partly the escrow agreement longmont's funds will be kept in escrow and then as funds are needed for the project the pooled financing participants funds will come forward our funds will come forward out of escrow so everything that's still in escrow will come back to us okay everything that will be um proportional will be the the money that's in in their case the money that came in from the loans and in our case the money that came in from the escrow and any value of the project that's already built or already started um but we won't our money all of our money will go up there that's kind of the assurance that the pooled financing folks have that we won't renege halfway through the project but our money won't go at risk until it's actually needed to be spent on construction they'll they'll pull drafts each month they'll pull money out of that escrow and and so the the money that's kind of the value of the project is what will be divided up our full esc whatever's left in our escrow account will come back to us fully by the escrow agreement the there there is some there's some value there right now in in property we purchased about the project purchased about 1200 acres of land where the reservoir is going to sit and so that's a very valuable thing and if the project doesn't go forward you know that that land will be sold and we'll get again a proportionate portion of that money back was there ever discussion of a first rate of refusal amongst the lattes subsequent if the so district did um decide not to move forward with purchasing the project from the enterprise or inheriting it from it just curious not that just curious if that was part of the discussion I want to say yes but I'm trying to think what context that came up and if that was the same context and recall at the moment well I'm sure this was all negotiated many many for many many years so uh thanks for helping me understand I just have uh one more question by May going ahead um that is specific to 3.3 and that's sorry um the definition of WGFP completion um the way that particular paragraph reads uh it completion is accorded upon final certification of chimihala reservoir for storage of water to its full capacity however the WGFP project is defined in 1.3.1.36 and also includes delivery structures and so I was kind of wondering about that connectivity and whether the completion it was considered completion whether it could actually hold that water or it was actually holding that water such that it was actually delivered from its source and holding the full amount in which I believe I believe the 3.3 was intended that when it could hold water um basically when the dam safety aspect of the the dam is certified by the state gotcha so that doesn't necessarily mean that that connectivity structure would be functional right although the the connectivity piece I think are they working on that now Ken is that right yeah there's um actually the connectivity channel won't is not part would not be part of what the state engineer's office would either and they're going to review it because there's a dam over there and that dam gets rebuilt but the connectivity channel uh is the intention is that it's going to be ready to go and as long as the project can move forward that that project will start construction and it's about a one year as opposed to the reservoir it's about a three to four year project so that project will be done um and and in operation well before the completion of the dam and um and then you also there's there's a connection portion this our reservoir has to connect to the cbd system at our dam on this site and all of that will be approved as part of the state they they will not um approve storage in the dam until the connection with the cbd system all the valving every all of that is done as well so there's really two quote connections going on one is connection with the reservoir the other is a connectivity channel on the west slope okay so that's that's how those two are they're only connected because that connectivity channel is part of the mitigation for the firming project so the the actual permit won't be issued for dam safety until those are already in place so this really is the bow on the reservoir yeah yeah perfect thank you guys so much for your patience i appreciate your answering my questions okay does anyone else have a question looks like scott yes hi vice chair peterson um it's really a process question and that is somebody asked if there were any other questions on this document are we considering this one separately are we bundling all four agreements into an ultimate action um you know we'd be happy either way um you know when city council is going to look they'll see all four of them as well we will have to take action on each one of the four at city council because we'll probably do one resolution approving each one of the uh so yeah you can either make a motion to recommend council approve all four or you can take action uh on each one individually especially if there's you know one of the agreements you may not want to recommend uh you can do it either way okay um is there any concerns on the four different uh issues the allotment contract the escrow agreement and uh two the fort leptin and loveland agreements such that someone would rather we did not do just one motion to recommend to the city council for approval scott hold i i don't have a problem i just want to understand the process because i had a question on the two conveyance agreements with loveland and four collins and i didn't want to put the car before the horse and talk about that if we were piece mailing these and and dealing with only the document in front of us so i just wasn't certain which way you wanted to go kathy um i think from my what i would prefer is to have one motion because we simply are making a recommendation for approval but if someone else on the board has an issue with that i i don't have a problem doing two or three or whatever what did you actually have an issue with it scott no not not really i think maybe if i may and you can tell me from out of line um the question i had had to do with the um sale and purchase um of the units to loveland and then the sale and purchase of units to fort lepton and it was just a math question frankly the the consideration being provided in both cases are are fairly different on a unit basis and i didn't know how that was derived unless i'm reading something way wrong it looked like one was about eight thousand dollars an acre foot for loveland and it looked like about an order of magnitude less than that for fort lepton so i i just wanted to figure out why how how long i was being compensated for what they're conveying uh in these ancillary units that we're no longer subscribing for ken i maybe you're the one to address that please yeah absolutely actually what we um what we are getting back is our actual cost um for each entity um and so that should be about the same on an acre foot basis i would think so ken and i i'm not going to profess to be a math whiz but if you guys want to check that that'd be helpful because we're getting it looks like 350 000 from loveland for 400 units and then 75 for 87 um maybe that's maybe that's equal i guess it's probably maybe it is close my calculator must not have punched the right numbers but it raised my eyebrow and i wanted to figure out what we were actually getting compensated for uh because it seemed like that was a pretty small number given the amount of participation we've had over the years for these units so it seemed like a small number just generally it's it's um it's based upon our actual cash into the project on a per unit basis at this point so we're getting back 100 percent of the money that we invested for those 500 acre feet okay we're selling i'll trust your math versus mine that was just my question now thanks i will definitely double check that because i don't want that to be wrong but double check it and ask one of my guys to triple check me yeah well and i think the one is 413 acre feet not 400 which would make a difference in the per unit so anyway okay um any more discussion or questions none i see none right now i would ask for a motion to approve the four different aspects of the when you get firming project final allotment contract as presented motion by roger lang the second anyone i'll second kathy second by scott hallwick all in favor say i and raise your hand please too all right i oppose same sign nothing opposed so uh that motion passes to recommend to the city council on the final allotment contract for approval and i will turn it back over to chair todd williams if he's somewhere in the building or in some building to come back on as the chair all right thanks kathy um all right so now we're on to item nine b which is a water resource engineering projects update and jason are you going to give that yeah sure am hi everybody i'm going to give you a quick update on a few of our projects uh the south st vrain pipeline we are currently uh going through the rehab project we have installed three permanent uh access vaults and one permanent access patch um we will then be uh installing some temporary access points and then from there we will start cleaning jetting and vacuuming the pipeline some of the good news is when we were installing those vaults um we actually didn't see a whole lot of debris in there um so we're hopeful that most of the debris is towards the inlet where the water was coming in during the flood and that maybe it just blocked off kind of the beginning and the majority of the pipe might not be so bad um so we should begin jetting and vacuuming here in the next week or so and after that we'll then start to look at lining the pipe but that'll further down further down but we're still on budget and still on schedule to have the south vrain pipeline up and running by spring of next year uh the other project i wanted everyone to be aware of was the the north st vrain pipeline um the OEM guys went out and and they walked the line and they found a handful of significant leaks we're going to have to shut the line down coordinate with lpc to shut down the hydro plant and basically do our annual maintenance patch make some repairs and before we can turn the line back on uh we'll probably be scheduling the north line shut down um i'll get with ken and west but probably um in the next month or so and then uh lastly um for the south st vrain pipeline kind of a um another project that ties into that is a pump station that we're looking to install within the town of lions we currently have um an rfp out for the design and we'll be selecting uh an engineering firm the next month and starting uh design on that didn't actually move them forward with it we do have the town of lion support um the mayor trustees understand why we're wanting to install this pump station and they fully support it and they're even going to help us acquire some of the land to do it any questions any questions for jason thank you for your update oh i did have one other thing go ahead jason uh button rock damn the outlet works um i think we talked about this last time had sprung a leak um but in in case uh i didn't mention this or you don't recall is um there was a small leak coming out of the cylinder um the cylinder that operates the main gate um as we kind of described it looks like a garden hose is on um it's actually sealed itself but you know for for a couple months there it just was uncontrollably letting the water out not a big deal we're able to divert it but we're gonna have to work with uh deer and alt and uh their contractor to go up there we're gonna have to shut down um the outlet uh button rock pull that cylinder pull the gate and make the repairs so that we can um you know have controlled regulation of the of the reservoir there's really no damn safety issue here but anytime you tell somebody uh the outlet controls are leaking like it tends to raise some eyebrows so um but it is under control and uh we will have that hopefully repaired within the next month or so okay great thank you any questions for jason on his report okay i don't see any thank you for the report jason all right next item um 10a is a review of major major project listings and items tentatively scheduled for future board meetings um ken or west any the staff um anything you want to bring up there i have nothing to know okay any okay you're sorry you're freezing up on my screen there for a second okay um all right so we are on to i'm sorry trying to find the right page here we're on to item 11 which is informational items and waterboard correspondence um do you have anything on informational items ken i don't um the only thing i was i was going to say is that there's still a lot of activity going on on the colorado river and lake pal and you know thing uh things that's going on there most recently there was a uh there's a project that the bureau reclamation is looking on lake pal to for a pipeline out of lake pal to southern utah and uh you'll probably you've probably seen a little bit of uh news lately on that project be interesting to watch that project and as it progresses it it might end up probably gonna end up in in a federal case similar to our windy gap firming project so uh be interesting to watch that project if we have additional information i'll probably send you a couple of things uh by email just for informational purposes uh it'll be interesting to watch that some real big national politics on that so be interesting to watch that move forward okay in the last month we had it was gathia weiss i believe it's her name she made a presentation and um that um oh there's some cwcb materials regarding the drought contingency plans um on lake pal who were passed out i i i did look at it i don't know if the rest of the board had a chance but you know i think what struck me as i read that um is there's just a lot of variables with regards to coming up with a drought contingency plan from funding to um you know where is the water going to come from who's going to pay for it i think um obviously the that funding issue and given the issues with covid it's made that worse um those are questions and then how do you balance the supply there's legal questions environmental questions but um i appreciate her bringing it up i i think you know in the context of the when you get firming project um i know there's uncertainty but um you know really i think that that uncertainty in my mind kind of plays to you know you don't know exactly how it's going to play out but having water in storage and having some capability to store water in the future is going to be in my mind more important based on that you know some of the uncertainty that is brought up in those drought contingency materials so anyway i i just wanted to mention i did look at that and appreciated her bringing it up so i don't know if there was any other questions or con material i don't see any um item 12 is items tentatively scheduled for future board meetings um as i mentioned earlier the cash and lou ran here and um so we'll we'll and obviously with the key one i think we're looking for is if there's any change with regards to the when you have in the the long months cost for a paper um it can that you have a future board meetings and i i think he's frozen up at least on my end well yeah i'm sorry tot i i didn't catch any of that i don't know if it was just me or no i didn't catch it either i'm sorry we were on item 12 can you guys hear me now i can now okay um on item 12 did you have anything besides a cash and lou is listed as an item for a future board meeting coming up in december is there anything else can that that you want to make us aware of for a future board meeting um just the button rock um management plan that we'll be bringing this fall i don't know which month but um that will that we will really appreciate water board input um and and review of that plan so okay the heads up got some homework to do it comes forward to you sounds good all right well the only other thing um is to during the meeting i guess to to um leave everybody once again welcome scott i'm glad to see uh see your smile and face and thank you for everybody attending the meeting and um anyway anything else for the good or the word yeah go ahead yes i was uh wondering i don't know for those technically counts as a meeting but um if we might be able to do a tour of the infrastructure with mr hueson um that is scott okay go ahead ken um yeah absolutely we we would be delighted to be able to do that tour anytime with anybody um with the coven stuff we'll have to have to be careful how we do that but that's certainly something um if we did it just you know a few of us at a time could even do this fall i think depending on how comfortable people would be with that and i certainly at any time we could set up a broader uh you know the whole water board if we want to do something like that uh we could also set one up next spring if that's not too late so just give us a feeling for when you would like to do that and uh we can make it a little bit bigger event if it's next spring but we certainly can take any what any individual water board member out um this fall i think we'll get out listen what's your thoughts would you like to do something this fall or are you okay we know the spring i'm fine either way i do think it would be helpful at some point just to get a better understanding on the ground to actually get a website visit but um given all the surrounding circumstances um more than understanding if we want to hold off okay um well can i i guess maybe look at the city policy with regards to doing that sort of tour and then maybe if you could get back the email to the board on what works um and maybe at a minimum what you could do is try to line something up with allison and scott to get them more familiar with the system and then if it allows based on city policy you could email the rest of the board and any any of us can attend maybe we could add on to it and then you know hopefully if things lighten up in the spring we could do something a little bit more formal at that point but i hear allison it'd probably be good uh you know if you actually sit on the ground it really helped me when i first got on the board so i think that's a great idea yeah good thank you for that idea we'll look into it okay great well i don't have anything else on the agenda and unless anybody else knows i think um we'll go ahead and adjourn the meeting thank you everyone bye thank you hi everybody thanks everyone