 Welcome to the Knuckleheads of Liberty. Their mania is against Russia. And yet their strategy is exactly the same as Putin. Putin is literally trailing people for using the words war and invasion. And he has put people in jail for that. And this is exactly what the ladies of the view want to do to anybody who doesn't go along with their view on things. But, you know, talking about Putin and I think there was a woman who was live TV and somebody in one of the studios came on live TV and put up a sign saying no war, no war in Russia. I think it was Channel One in Russia. And she well, they arrested her and she's been fined right now. I don't know how much rubles but they are fined for interrupting the program with a little protest. So, yeah, Putin is literally shutting people down. And he has shut down some of the independent TV stations and news outlets. He's literally shutting people down. And this is what the view is calling for here in the United States where we supposed to have a first amendment. But you know this raises a question though. This thing has been going on for a while. And cancer culture has been a big part. It's a big part almost becoming a part of our life in the United States. Is there anything that we could do about this? Seriously? Is there anything? Jason? Well, I think the main thing is we have to go back to classical liberal values. We have to look to and respect those values of people like Mills who said, look, if you don't know the other side of the argument then you don't even know your side of the argument. Essentially what he said. I don't remember the exact quote. But that's essentially getting at it. And that's to say that look, none of us are born with the truth. We're only going to get there by having discussions with other serious people who may have different ideas than us. And that's the way we progress to the truth. Yeah, I'm really not worried too much, Leon. I think it's one of those things that are going to kill themselves out because they just go against human nature. They go against everything that makes us human and to try to squash someone else's opinion. It's dictatorial in nature. It's despotic in nature, but that doesn't mean that it's got its own ability to keep bringing people into the fold. It's going to turn people off quicker than it's going to bring them in. Indeed. That's a good point. I like that. I would want to push back on that just a little bit, though. I think that the natural state for most people is to get defensive and want to essentially shut down the other side instead of really have a conversation with the other side. I think that's the natural state is to want to defend what you think already. And I think we have to work hard to try to reach what a guy like Mills was shooting for. And that's why he's so extraordinary is because he brought those ideas up when a lot of people hadn't really crystallized those very well before. So, yeah, anyways, that's... So, Jason, you're raising a very interesting point here. So let's take this out a little bit. You are saying that our natural state is to try to shut down our intellectual opponents? Yeah, I think that is the natural state. And I think that's why we're seeing this get so crazy with all the social media. People are, you know, they find people who think alike with them and then they just want to shut out everybody else who doesn't think like them. And I think that really is much more the natural state. I think a guy to look at is Jonathan Haidt. He wrote a book called The Righteous Mind. And so it was about how to try to come to agreement with people, I guess, or to, you know, be able to at least converse with them and stuff and to convince people. And a lot of times what he was trying to say in that book is that people start off on the defensive and you really have to have some trust before you can even get them starting to acknowledge your ideas. And right now, you know, it's really both sides have this disgust that's pointed at each other. And I think one side's earned it a little more than the other, I think. But still, when we're in a situation where both sides just think of the others with just loathing and disgust, I think you want to shut them down. It's not that you want to say, hey, well, you know, tell us about how you want to, you know, turn Johnny into transgender or something at the age of six. You know, I really am not that interested in listening to that. But I mean, that is part of the issue, right? I mean, we have to at least allow them to talk. And then, you know, it's the bad idea then defeat it with evidence, not just shutting them down, I guess. If I were to push back on that, push back to the pushback, I would just say that I think there's, you know, that you're right and I'm right. We're both right because there's two types of people. There's those that are open to new ideas and always trying to learn. And then there's people that think they know everything already and are closed and are very close-minded. And so I think there's, I don't know what the percentage is. I have no idea. I don't know if anybody does. But, you know, there seems to be either one type or the other type. You see what I'm saying? And so maybe the person that's open to new ideas is going to want to converse. And I tell you, I'm just as closed about certain things as the next, as the most close-minded person. I mean, there's certain things you would take a heap, heap a lot of convincing to convince me to change my mind on certain things. I can tell you that. But then I'm also open to debating certain things too. And that kind of stuff. So I don't know. Well, Tim, you know, just a real quick rebuttal. I definitely think there's people like that out there. But the side that currently calls themselves liberal is the side that literally wants to shut everybody down. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're in the closed-minded camp. That's for sure. So the liberal is supposed to be open-minded. Oh, yeah. But, you know, but guys, good guys, I think I'm hearing something here that I find quite disturbing. Jason, are you saying that our natural state is some sort of totalitarian state? That's our natural state because in a totalitarian state, it's where we want to shut our opponents down, whether intellectual or political. We're always trying to shut them down. Are you saying that that is our natural state? I think that we have to work to be open-minded. I think it takes a lot more work to be open-minded than to be closed-minded. And I think that's exactly why we celebrate people like Socrates and Mills and others is because they were exceptions and not the rule. Okay. Good point. Wow. Good point. Okay. Tim, did you have anything to add before we move on? I do not wish to rebut the rebuttal to the rebuttal of the original state.