 Our legal advisor was not able to deal with us this morning. He called the meeting door. This meeting is being recorded and or transcribed. So, I'll just take a roll of the people who are here. I'm Mark Gorman. Executive VP of the NACP. Do we have Ashley? No, I'm looking for Rob. Okay, wrong subcommittee. Okay, so I think we have. I'm on the NACP team here. Danika. Here. Among the advisory committee members, Tim Wessel. Dr. Levine. There he is. And Ingrid Gems. I'm here. Okay, good. And at CCB, we have Julie. Julie Holberg. Yep. Bryn here. Bryn is not in here at the moment. Okay. She may come along. And Nellie Marble. Have you seen her? Yep. And also joining us, Keena Cranwinkle from NACP. Good. The, you know, we got through a good bit of the material on last week. On advertising and marketing. And I think our consensus was to come back today. And start going through items where we feel like we could probably make up some recommendations without having to study it too hard. Things that we're already very familiar with. Warning labels kind of is one thing that comes to mind. Is anybody, is everybody okay with that approach? Yes. Okay. Marcus, if I may. Sure. No, no problem. Did everyone receive Friday the, and I, we apologize it was Friday afternoon, but the examples of some different types of warning labels and universal symbols for cannabis, if you did not, I mean, I'm more than happy to bring them up on the screen. But when we also sent some draft meeting minutes, so I don't know if anybody had a chance to review those, but we'd like to, at least by Thursday, get those approved. So if anybody could take a look and make sure that we accurately reflected what we said on the call as well. So what Mark and I talked about this week as well, something that we'd like to do with each of you, is to kind of take a step in the direction of what do you want. If you were the person that was, you know, walking into a cannabis store to purchase, what do you want your consumer to know? So we've had the opportunity to peruse, you know, what you have, some of the different elements online, but also what's the most important thing to the consumer. There are several things that come to mind, as Mark mentioned, warning labels, which there's a plethora of them out there and all different kinds, but also, you know, what else would you want the consumer to know? Now, what we don't want to do is put anyone in a position of burden, but at the same time, because this is your state and how you're rolling it out, especially, you know, at the local level, do you want to start with even just the basics of impairment or the basics of some other items like that that tells the consumer, you know, what it is that they are purchasing and what that means. So that was our initial discussion thought. And then the second would be to talk about those first disclaimers and what they look like, and then, of course, the warning labels. We could bombard everybody with tons of different warning labels out there. There do seem to be some very universal ones, and I am more than happy to put those up just so everybody can take a look in case you did not have the opportunity to do so earlier. So does that sound like a good approach? Would you like to see them? All right, fantastic. Let me do that. So Mark prepped a good chunk of these to show the seven different, just seven universal style symbols for cannabis. That I will say I've seen them on everything from how someone would take their cannabis home, just, you know, the actual cannabis that they were going to consume, down to ointments and creams and things that do contain THC. These universal symbols, what I've seen in different dispensaries, retail outlets, whatever you choose to call them, are things like this on every single product so that you know what is inside of cannabis. So that is very much so more than likely a given if you'd like to have that as well, which really needs to be there. So does anyone have any thoughts on that or, you know, an agreement that you would want it at least marked as such, no matter what the package is? Okay, so great. So looking at these, here's the other initiative to consider and Mark please step in and anyone please step in. The other initiative to consider here would be if you wanted them, you know, from a color perspective, you know, green of course is cannabis and universal, but red often, you know, shows caution or at least it alerts you to what is inside. So there's also an element of balance that may come in with the packaging for any person in a dispensary or whatever product they would want to do. So Ingrid, I'll start with you. You have any thoughts on this, especially coming from your background as for marking these, marking anything that had it? You know, just taking these all in, I definitely, as you mentioned before, I'm in full agreement of marking these. I, the Massachusetts in the main one with the red triangle seems appropriate to me. I mean, I'm sort of taking them all in the exclamation point. That's fine. Yeah. So very clear. Yeah. And also provide some clarity across state lines. Yeah. Absolutely. Not exactly a work of art. Some of them actually look like warning signs. Others to me don't even look like warning. There's almost an invitation. Michigan and Washington, you know, okay. So Washington has the 21 on there, but I do agree. There is an element of what I'll call marketing design in a couple of these, which may not be the direction that you would want to go. But I'm always in agreement with red as a marketer and something that stands out. It's something that you can see typically no matter what color a package is. If something were black, you could do what's known as a white knockout, which is where, you know, bright and white on a black package. And you can see it. So there would also be opportunity, you know, if necessary to give a couple of variations of color, depending upon the package color, but you would limit it and say it can be, you know, if your package is black, it has to be, you know, white, red and black or however we choose to do it. But it definitely lets you know. And then, you know, I'd love to know everybody's thoughts on adding the same THC element to it. Or do you believe the cannabis leaf is enough? Yeah. If you don't mind, I'll just jump in. I was going to say there seems to be disagreement among states whether THC should be included or if the leaf should be included. It occurred to me that there's only one that I'm seeing on these examples, Massachusetts and Maine, which combines saying THC and the leaf. I think considering trying to do both similar to Massachusetts and Maine might be a good thing because some people understand what THC is and some people do not. And if you don't understand THC, you're probably going to understand that leaf. It's a pretty universal. So I'm using, when you look at the leaves, they're not even all in agreement of what these leaves look like. To my eye, to my eye, the Michigan is more true to what these leaves look like. But so, yeah. Yeah. Maine, Maine, Massachusetts, Maine. Yeah. Sometimes I want to be aware of in Vermont. But to me, I lean more towards the style of Massachusetts and Maine because of the triangle and because of the red. It doesn't mean you couldn't make the leaf green. Nobody's really thought that. But I think I would urge against something like Michigan which really just looks kind of inviting to me if the idea is to try to warn people because later we'll be discussing warning labels, which I understand will be different. But I think you should have that suggestion of, hey, look out. Okay. And if I could, if I could offer it up, I know we're not making a final decision, but in the health department, we have people skilled in public health communications and marketing. I certainly want them to be able to weigh in as we get to this point just because I think that would inform us in a good way. I think that's an excellent consideration, absolutely. So I do have a question. Dr. Levine, for you, would contain THC from a medical perspective be something that you would definitely want on there in addition to the leaf? It sounds like we're all gearing that way towards Massachusetts and Maine, which is a huge help, but I'd love your thoughts as a medical professional too. Yeah, I think that would be reasonable. I'm just not sure where to draw the line. I mentioned CBD last time and CBD is running around the country saying I'm safe, take me in. And I don't know that we actually know that to the degree necessary. So how many ingredients would we list after a while? But I'm kind of with you. I mean, the Surgeon General's thing on cigarettes identifies that there's harmful substances in there. So let that seem okay. Well, I do believe that what we also could do is take a look at how it would look on a package of something if anybody would be interested in that because we can pull some additional packages from some of these products. So I think that is definitely worth it. So I think we're all in agreement that even just starting with a very basic of that warning symbol and then what we would more than likely do is want to make recommendations on how small it could be that it can't be like this or we could give a dimension size. But one of the things, I don't know if you have the opportunity to open up this particular file when I sent it. I was surprised. I didn't notice that you can buy warning labels on Amazon for GHC and Walmart of all places. So warning labels I've put in here, you could actually get one of them from Amazon and one of them from Walmart, which I thought was very interesting. But it does give some different perspective on that and these are also good at tamper groups. So if we start with a universal symbol, especially if we consider things like creams, like I said, ointments, things that might come from a package that may not necessarily be consumed and then tossed, then it might be something that sits in someone's, you know, medicine cabinet. Then it's worth that consideration to definitely have that small symbol at a minimum because if you throw the package away, then at least it would also be on, say, a jar. That's where I was going with that. So I apologize that I didn't maybe get to it quick enough. Mark, do you have any thoughts on this as well? No, I think these are really for packages, right? Yep. And other containers. Yep. So it's not really advertising, but is there indeed to have a symbol on, you know, say a magazine ad or a social media ad? There would be disclaimers, at least, warnings, you know, possibly. That's a good point. And I think that comes down to where it comes down to that line again. What becomes too much? You know, I'll flop over to California real fast and then we'll come back to this. Like the California one says, government warning, this package contains cannabis, a schedule one controlled substance, I know that you've got a breach of children, but that is actually one that you can do like a tamper proof over it as well. But once it's ripped, it's gone, you know, or it could be, it could be gone. So that's an example. Then back to Oklahoma. Contains THD, not safe for kids or pets. That was interesting. I'm a pet side, good to know. And then California, this is their warning label. If I adult 21 and older, if you've got a breach of children, it's illegal to drive a motor vehicle while under the influence of marijuana. So they really run the gamut. But what's interesting for these, and I'll put them all in a Word document, these various ones typed up, because ideally it would be great if you guys could take a look at them between, say, now and Thursday and think about what you think is the most important thing for those in Vermont. And also to warn, you know, to warn the general public and also the not safe for children aspect. So anybody have any additional thoughts on this piece right now? No, okay. So that, Mark does raise a very good point, and that is how this will look in, say, social media or any other types of ads. We will get some additional ad examples that we can also share. I'm taking some notes while we're doing this as well. Okay. Um, I just wanted to add, I just wanted to add, I like men not safe or can aspect dumps. Okay. Okay, great. So there's a balance. In my whole career, I will tell you I've dealt with so many, you know, legal clearances as a marketer before we could do anything. And so the running joke always with my attorney was I would say, stop, please, stop being business prevention department. But there's a fine balance as well, you know, for sales, but the sales are going to happen anyway. I mean, people are going, it's kind of like buying alcohol. They're going to go in and buy it. That sales going to happen. So I think that's something also to consider. Um, so when we make our recommendations, you know, market is going to air to the side of alcohol and what they did. You know, market anything as you want to add to that, as far as cannabis being even a commodity and how that would work once these stores start opening and your thoughts on that. You know, I have one thing that strikes me that's this California warning label we're looking at. So it looks like the old warning label on the side of a package of cigarettes that nobody ever looked at or read or paid any attention to. And, you know, I guess before we're all done with this, we probably ought to make sure that we're satisfied that there's what we're proposing is could be at least somewhat impactful. That is the other thing. People are immune to them. They often can be immune to what they see. So the ability to be distinctive, I think, is important. I think it also, if you don't mind, it's kind of a big issue. What are we going to require for sizing and number of warnings? Because, you know, the example you showed before, the California label is sort of a decision to lump everything with a lot of words into one little area. Obviously, that was an Amazon example, so it might not necessarily be. But it looks like they're checking the boxes on whatever law was passed and they have to say all of that. I think, you know, the context, when you send out the word doc, the context of whether or not there has to be a universal symbol and then there has to be one over two warning labels, you know, those parameters kind of affect how I feel about how it should be defined, too. Okay. With a little bit of a... which decision? Yeah, I'll just take you back to the tobacco warnings. Have evolved over time, you know, they've been on tobacco since the 60s, maybe, and I think they've gotten to the point now where there's a very clear warning, but there's a selection of about a dozen of them that you should rotate throughout the year on your packages. We could take a look at that, too. So, I think, you know, at a minimum, the interesting thing, too, if you look with California, not only do they have the words, they have the warning symbol with the words, so that would also be another opportunity there. So, what we will do is supply, you know, even down to Massachusetts, one of the documents, I mean, in the reference materials, there is a summation of what Massachusetts is also now requiring, just a general disclaimer. Where they do offer, which I actually like, they offer the ability for, they offer the ability for the advertiser to select from state-approved things depending upon, you know, what it is they're doing and what might be appropriate. So, they have a basic, and then you have to pick two, which is an interesting approach, but also maybe appropriate for whatever the medium is of what, you know, they're out there doing. So, we'll put, so that is one thing we'll definitely put out there are the symbol piece, which I can do a quick mock-up of that. And also, like I said, we'll give some different languages that you all could play around with and see what might be the right thing there. And then also going back to the law and what the law, you know, wants to ensure that we say. So, we can totally do that. So, for the purposes of what we're talking about, I think everyone here is in agreement. We definitely want the universal symbol, you know, to start. And then also that basic warning, and I don't mean to trivialize the warning, please don't take it that way. It's really just the starting point. And then also any other types of disclaimers, which does come down to looking at different elements, but I'm going to go to another screen and pull something up. And I'll send this over as well, but I'll also send it where they, you know, Massachusetts approaches age and then what's often known as exhaustive warnings and then discretion of advertising. And so, they do the entire age restriction element and they, like Vermont, are 85% need to be 21 or older. You know, no mascot, no cartoons, things of that nature. And it does give something additional to react to. It is, I think it's one of the last links that I put there. And so, all the links that I'm giving, where computers can be a little tricky. I can also PDF this if that would help. And then you could just read this summation. And again, taking notes. So, what would be additionally helpful for you as we're, for the three of you as we're looking into, you're starting these basic shapes for it, the state. Do you want to, would you like to see, you know, more advertising, actual examples. We'll see, you know, where we can pull and see what others are doing in their states. And then that will give you something to react to in that element. And then I think the ideal thing would be for the three of you is, again, what do you want someone in Vermont to know? Even if people may be, maybe, how do I say it earlier? They may be a little bit immune to some of the things they see. You know, the reality is they're not going to be in the beginning because they haven't really seen these in your own state. And so there's also, you know, that balance there. So it's the opportunity to let them know out of the gate what you want them to know. Yeah, and I might add that it probably would be super helpful to actually see an example or two if we can gather some, there might even be somebody on YouTube who's already done this, but I would love to see how these symbols, warning labels, et cetera, actually appear on products. Like, what decisions have been made, as I said before, about the number of them, whether they're on one side, out of six, assuming, you know, it depends on what kind of package we're talking about. But A, is it on front and back, that kind of... Yep. I did not reinvent the wheel, just to see what states, especially like, I'm most interested in what Massachusetts is doing because I'm always thinking like, the Northeast states should kind of look similar, seems like it would make sense, rather than... Okay. So I would love to see, and I can do some research myself, maybe I'll be able to find something to share with the group. But there's so many examples of videos just floating around YouTube, I thought maybe somebody's actually looking at packaging and showing what the labeling is like. Absolutely. So I just pulled up, which I know billboards are not allowed, but that was the first thing that popped up for me. I know billboards on 11 in Vermont. And Dr. Levine, I see something exactly like you were saying, the billboard literally says, why wait for better health? So we'll put some of those together as well. Take that. Stagen. What state was that, I'm curious. Hold on a real quick. Massachusetts, actually. The first billboard for a marijuana dispensary debut, let me see if I can share with this side of my screen. The difference between Massachusetts and Vermont, right? Billboards. Any state around them. Yeah. So the other interesting element I will add, which goes back to another, and this is a new very important marijuana advertising. They had something like states that legalized marijuana had 25% fewer opioid related deaths. Recreational cannabis available. So this is a directional sign and has absolutely no warnings on it. Nice. For adults 21 plus, that's it. So the labeling we're looking at now is any product, because I know we have a separate session of edibles, but is this any product, whether it be the leaf, whether it be an edible, whether it be another form of sale? Yeah, it would be any product, but that doesn't mean it would be the only thing necessarily. Like you said, when it comes to edible, and the tamper proof is going to be important as well, that tamper proof type label in there, but no, it would not, it's not at all. I think when you get to those particular elements, then we enter another piece of this. Martin, were you going to say something? Yeah, you know, we have, I think it's great. I mean, and the easiest thing to do is, I guess, to agree on something that shows, that declares the presence of THC. Should there be a different kind of warning or a more extensive warning for concentrates? You know, even adults need those kind of warnings. You know, some of those concentrates are, well, they're allowed up to 60 in Vermont, 60% THC. I think we probably don't want to take a look at a hundred samples of that as well. And CBD, I guess, is not really labeled? Yes, but some of it's not. That is definitely something I may also have a conversation with Ashley Reynolds, who is part of the advisory committee as well on her CBD labeling, because she owns a CBD store or Elmore Mountain Therapeutics in Vermont. And it might also be interesting to get her perspective as someone who could potentially, you know, be in retail in that element as well. So the last thing I'll add to this, when we get to continue to start, continue this discussion, is font size. I know that that is immensely important across multiple industries that people actually be able to read it if I can see it. And so there would need to be a minimum font size, because I don't know about anybody on this call, but reading a credit card agreement or anything you get from your bank or even an auto loan sale or anything along those lines, it's virtually impossible to read. So again, we want to err on not being onerous, but also on the side of can people read it. And so from my perspective, and in my former lines of business, we never went below eight points on a font size. And so I think that that is something also to take into consideration is what those font sizes look like. So I will see about getting some clarity on that, because I do know having been in a dispensary in Michigan, interestingly enough, sorry, family lives there, but having been in a dispensary in Michigan, the product would go into like a pill model type thing and then have the sample proof label on top. And that was really all you got. So that's something also to consider. And not everything will be distinctly packaged. Go ahead, Martin. I think we should take a moment here to go back and make sure that everybody is on board with what the law stipulates for advertising and see if there are any other wrinkles you'd like to add. But, you know, it's basic stuff. It says, cannabis establishment advertisements shall not contain any statement or illustration that is deceptive, false or misleading. I don't get the sense that anybody disagrees with that. It doesn't promote overconsumption. It represents that the use of cannabis has cured of effects. I'm just basically reading what the provisions of the law say. You cannot offer a prize or an award or an inducement for purchasing cannabis, except you are allowed discounts. You can't offer free samples. You can't depict a person younger than 21 years of age consuming cannabis. You cannot do anything that's actually designed or has the effect of being particularly appealing to people under 21. One thing I wanted to point out is that advertisements can't be run on media that have an audience of more than 15% under the age of 21. It's stiffer than most states, stiffer than most products, as a matter of fact. Generally, alcohol producers are there at the demographic of, you know, 70% under the age of... I mean, it has to be... 70% have to be over the age of 21. Now, there are... Danika has more experience with advertising than I did, certainly. And, you know, it has a view that there's... If you're creating a 15% threshold for under 21, you're really limiting the ability to show your ads on a lot of media. We'll try to get some examples, specifically examples. But what kind of, you know, what's Facebook? Is it 70%? Is it 85%? What's late night TV versus college football games? And so that you have an idea of what the limitation is. But the one thing that I wanted to point out really relates to the health warnings that all advertisers shall contain health warnings adopted by the Board in consultation with the Department of Health. So, most of the things that we've talked about so far are pretty routine in terms of responsible advertisements. But we're going to have to devise something that is a warning that is appropriate for an ad in a magazine or online wherever else people are going to be advertising. Which I think brings back the important point of a universal symbol, a general disclaimer. And again, I'll give you several examples. And then also how deep you want to go in terms of what's there, like Mark was mentioning with the concentrates and also, you know, the no health claims. And that may end up being even more important in the medicinal element that's put out there. So I think that, I think if we could get these, you know, a symbol or something similar, you know, for you as a mock-up. And then Dr. Levine, if you'd like to share with your marketing folks and see their thoughts on it. And then also some examples for everybody like we just talked about. And then maybe by Thursday, if we put all this together, then we could get some general draft language that the three of you may agree upon. Again, for just some of these general starting points. It doesn't mean there may not be more, of course, depending upon what type of product that it is. And then some general guidelines put together. And I like the fact I'm going to focus more on the Northeast corridor. I mean, California, they've done a good job, but California, you know, they put warning labels on everything. I mean, you walk into a room and there's a warning label and that's no joke. That was the way it was in a hotel. But it's, again, I would love to know, you know, Tim, even from your perspective in business is how much do you want to see, you know, for those people? And I mean, everyone's valid, but you're bringing a different perspective as well to the thoughts because you aren't in law enforcement and you're not a doctor. So you bring a different side to this. And I think that as a business person, you know, that's another thing that I would like to take into consideration here. Everybody's thoughts on not being overly onerous but at the same time stating what you need to state. Yeah. So I welcome that. I'm here more in my capacity as an elected official. Gotcha. Okay. Even better. I don't feel it's labeling my business as a service-based. But yeah, I did want to just throw out that the question of percentage, you know, the question of, what's the word I'm searching for? The THC content equals what? I've lost my strength of a concentrator, whatever. You know, that's the question if that should be something that people dosage. Yeah, exactly. Thank you. If that should be something that can be clearly laid out with three levels of dosage or something because, you know, even at this point, the drink alcohol content is regularly and it has to be labeled heavily. So you can see. Absolutely. Hey, that's beer and beer. We only have one. So I'm a little concerned that along the way somewhere we should have at least, you know, three levels of, hey, look out because this is a concentrate or this is more than you're expecting and adjusting, especially on edibles. Does that make sense? Okay. Yep, it absolutely does. And I think that's an excellent point. And it's captured here. So that may be, you know, the other piece. So now we're looking, and this is not a bad thing. We're looking at symbols, statements, warning labels, and then possibly on the warning label or another label dosage. I think those are all excellent points. I think it all speaks to safety. There's other things that I think about, like, you know, like sourcing and where it comes from and what strain is this, but that's not in my wheelhouse or anyone here possibly. But obviously that's a labeling question, but it doesn't speak to public safety like dosage does. Understood. Ingrid, you wanted to add something? No, I just want to, may I appreciate that comment because it's sort of helped put into words what I'm struggling with here. Just sort of, you know, with alcohol, we've grown to understand that, you know, many people can process, so to speak, one serving over the course of an hour without putting yourself or other people at risk, you know. And I don't feel like we have that. I don't know the first thing about how we metabolize cannabis and so if some of the consumer and they're really trying to earn a state to do the right thing and not thrive or operate over, you know, equipment in an impaired state, how will people be able to gauge what is a responsible self, so to speak. And even in that example you gave us from Amazon, you talked about impairment can occur two hours after consumption, which I didn't realize that, but I could imagine people in the best case scenario today consuming cannabis or however they're consuming it and then two hours later, being surprised that they're impaired. So how do we unfold people? How do we let people know what is state for them in the best case scenario? You heard some of the packaging recommendations and I might even be in the act, I have to go back and look. I want to have a notification about how long it takes to take effect. If it's inedible, does it take a half hour or does it take an hour and a half or two hours so that people at least have some way of engaging for themselves. But of course one of the problems here is that there's no, there isn't any agreement across the board what impairment looks like. Scientific, there's no breathalyzer yet. So it's tricky. That's why part of some of the recommendations here when you get to law enforcement and impaired driving are requesting funds for educating law enforcement about the drug impaired called the DRE and the A-Ride program. These are just, these are older ways to protect the government. Can I jump in for a second? I don't have a way of raising my hand other than actually raising my hand. Just to go back to Ingrid's question and just to kind of remind the group while you're talking about symbols and labels today there's also a POS flyer that you'll be talking about in the future. So there's some companion information that will go with the information that you're talking about today that might actually better address Ingrid's concerns. You know what, I actually thought I was showing that and I apparently am not. Give me one moment. I think I stopped sharing my screen. I have that flyer up, Julie. Let me share the... Is anybody seeing that? Because it shows that it's there. Okay, great, great, great. I have that. That's the inactive language and it's definitely in here. At a minimum the flyer shall contain which that doesn't answer the question but there is the educational element that would be available to people. Now whether or not they read it of course is another story but to give them the opportunity and have it to see it to be able to know those things because that is definitely something that was enacted developed by the board in consultation with the Department of Health. It'll be posted, supplied to the retailer free of charge. So Julie, that sounds like the CCB will be printing and distributing those once it's developed. If I'm reading correctly. Gotcha, gotcha. Information and it says the exact thing that you were concerned with but we have to answer what that is. The amount of time. Not driving, health risk, problematic usage, how to get health for cannabis abuse. So I did want to put this back out here and that's in the PDF that I have for everyone. So it may be helpful. Gina, I know you're on but in the medicinal if you are available in the medicinal group would we be able to get some of these answered by Dr. Christian or at least the medicinal group has that consensus on some of those things like how long it takes effect and also do we have anyone from the public Julie so that I can be mindful of that? We do, we have three members of the public. Okay, fantastic because it's so I would like to be cognizant of that and everyone's time. So Gina do you think that's something we could get from either Dr. Clifton or someone else the effects and how fast things can happen or how long they may take for Yeah, they're also thinking about you know trying to get some educational material put together for the public as well. Yeah, okay. Okay, I will I can circle back with you on that and we'll get some additional information for the subcommittee members for each of you and see how fast I can get that but Julie in keeping with time do any other members of the public want to make any comments so we can be sure to to address that? Yeah, we do have one member of the public who'd like to Yeah, come right up to the table. Hi, I'm Dave Silverman I'm the high bailiff of Addison County and an attorney in Middlebury I want to urge you as you're writing these proposals for labels and especially when you get to the informative flyer I want to encourage you to think about your goal and prioritize providing information to people who have already chosen to consume cannabis as opposed to trying to scare people away from cannabis you're going to have a lot of cannabis novice consumers coming into this market and those consumers are going to gravitate towards edibles especially, you know we see this in other states where people who have shied away from cannabis in the unregulated market come back to it and come back to it through edibles and edibles present a very different type of risk than smoking particularly in how long the effects take to come on and how long they last very different than when you smoke a flower so I just want to urge you to you know, educate yourselves on that issue and focus your messaging on helping consumers consume responsibly and safely as opposed to trying to scare people away thank you very much thank you yeah, it's a good point I mean we're talking about a product that is now legal it's here and we're dealing with it and we need to deal with that it is really important because you know if someone takes an edible it can take up to two hours for them to just feel the effects and if they don't know that and they take more of the product thank you yeah, now the edibles is a clearly most important thing but what we're looking at on the screen is it came to a product insert right, or that a package insert like if you would buy a product then a drill or if you got a prescription for something that wasn't over the counter this would be the package insert so it has to have actual information that is on your product but in this case it's for the non-medicinal body for the recreational body and so we may have certainly acted for those who are buying it as a medicinal these people are buying it for recreation a lot of the information they need to be the same I agree, but it needs to be progressed in a little different way it's not so much you can do but it would take a glass of wine I agree I just want to throw out that you would of course would not receive any kind of disclaimer or insert when you bought a beer or a glass of wine because there's so much experience connected with the personal and the traditional standpoint any additional comments from the public, Julie I just noticed yourself okay Thursday but my goal would be by the end of today would be to give you some additional examples like we discussed on here and also put that bank together I'll call it a bank of different disclaimer language that you can take a look at gives those to you and and then what we can do is you can take a look at it it is come back on Thursday and talk about this a little further and Mark and I will take what those next steps also will look like for us as we start to nail some more of this down is there anything additional that we haven't touched on that you might like to see and if you don't know right now will you shoot us an email or anything and be happy to do that get it for you one thing I'd be interested in trying to get under our belts is dealing with advice of advertisers as well as advice to consumers and guidance to the CCC staff and reviewing and approving ads and looking at things that we have found would be good guidance for in all those cases and if we can get that you know that under our belts that would be great because I think some of these things like the warning label that's supposed to go on ads the board is supposed to consult the Department of Health as well so I'll talk to Julie about you know how to leave enough time for that review to take place so in the interest of time we're two minutes until the hour and I know there's another subcommittee meeting afterwards is there anything additional anyone would like to add okay we'll get some additional information over and then if anyone is open to you know a discussion we can certainly you know have some one off here to make sure that we're representing you know all of the interest as well but I do believe this will start moving a little faster too as we get some more of these items in your hands to take a look at any other thoughts Mark you want to close this out sure we've covered it the next one is coming on yeah we'll you'll be receiving some new materials during the week for the next meeting but feel free to call Danika or me if you have more questions or comments or good ideas I think some of this stuff is bad ideas we're all ears thank you all so much we appreciate it thank you have a great day thank you thanks everyone alright thank you