 Good afternoon. We'd like to call the Durham City Council work session to order at 1 28 p.m.. Certainly want to thank all of you taking the time to be here this evening and I assumed that most of you here for one particular item and that's the City Manager's report on the Durham Human Relations Commission and civilian police review board What what I intend to do this this evening is to Follow our normal work session agenda This is not a public hearing, but obviously there's quite a bit of interest on this particular item What we'll do is to have the City Manager to present his report to the City Council and to the public Allow time for any of the City Council members to comment ask questions of the City Manager and Then at the appropriate time if those of you who are here Have comments We're going to allow time for that What I need to do is to find out how many persons want to speak so I can Allocate the amount of time for each speaker So those of you who have intentions of speaking I would ask that you go to the clerk's table to the left There's a card that you can sign up your name address and etc. At the appropriate time You'd be recognized for comments that you might have Haven't said that I'm going to ask the clerk as she would call the roll Mayor bill present mayor pro-temco McFadden council member Brown council member Cattati Council member Davis Council member Moffitt and council member Shewell We're in the closed session doing evaluations of the City clerk and city attorney There was a motion to continue that meeting until Tuesday the second at 5 p.m. the motion was made by Corporal Coleman the mayor pro-tem and seconded by a councilman Steve Shull There was also a motion to go back into open session that motion was made again by the mayor pro-tem and seconded by Councilman edit Davis Let me ask first are there comments by prior to our this body city manager Thank You mr. Mayor. Good afternoon everyone. No priority items likewise city attorney. Thank you. Mr. Mayor. No priority items likewise city clerk The first item are the comments by members of the council if not the first item are prior to the administrative consent items and I didn't want to city clerk's office There are bicycle prohibition advisory commission appointments and the Durham City County Environmental Affairs Board and those ballots have been passed out And collect about a clerk Department items and three on the city manager's office. I'm sorry On the city manager's office Item three re-adoption of city county emergency operations plan. Mr. Mayor Recognize I don't need to pull it But I just want to ask in the future it'd be nice to have a red line version to see the actual see the changes Okay, so noted Item four is the city manager's report in response to recommendations from the human relations commission and civilian police Review board and we'll come to that that we're going through the rest of the agenda item five is community development department item five pull item five Approval of public and private pre-development costs for the redevelopment of Southside rental phase two with McCormick Barron solace our development ink I'm six on the finance department. I'm six is big report for July 2014 Item seven is office's economic and workforce development grant projects ordinance recognized in 2014 state of Durham's economy breakfast Revenue superseding ordinance 14 3 2 5 I Pulled that I am also on the public works department Telecommunications license agreement with central link communications at link LLC Item nine is professional services contract SC 272 C Duke Gregson's curb extensions Pull that item also Item 10 is contract with bow habitats ink for our gal turf struggle at mobile pilot systems installation and operations We're gonna have a presentation on it on a 11 approval of 2012 local water supply plan for the city of Durham Item 12 is 2014 unscheduled pipeline repairs contract And we have citizens matters to be heard at 1 o'clock item 13 is Joseph bush van as Joe bush van present Come forward, please Hey, how's everybody doing? You ready? Okay, I just wanted to give you all an update on what's been going on up the Andrew driver project. Yeah and This gives me most of us know you but you may want to introduce yourself. Okay. I'm sorry I'm sorry. My name is Joseph Bush fan on the operator of Joe's diner on the corner and you're in driver Sorry about that Kind of excited here a little bit nervous, but I'm all right Okay Well back to the engine driver corridor here We're up here and basically we started this project around October of last year We came in under budget and basically We came in three months early as well But my my main reason coming here is to say thank you to council because We've had a very successful project up there Working hand-in-hand with the city We had a lot of emphasis there from Mike Hughes Keefe Chadwell Chris Dickie Kevin Dix We also had a lot of emphasis from Fred Smith as well with Ron skip All right, so we had Ron Smith and Carl Carlson in them It's been a real collective effort up there on the corner of the engine driver No doubt we've been moving forward We're having the person quarters of it All right, as you can see where we started out from what it used to be like up there on the corner engine driver and This is the old angel that used to be the old print and shop there And that's the other side of driver Street And that's the new side of driver Street and that's the new side of angel Front of the angels Baptist Church there And that's the new intersection that's been placed there and The other side of angel going down towards Miami that way but this has been Some serious work to be done up there I mean, it's it's it's taking a lot of effort in time and the businesses have Suffered a lot, but I think in the long run to be well worth it You know, but my most thing is that I just want to say thank you And I invite you guys to come on up and see you know what we accomplished up there All right We appreciate you taking the time to come and present that to us. I'm sure most of us travel that area I'm over there quite frequently, but I want to thank you all also for making an investment that you did Initially to go into the area and we we hope a lot of other good things are going to happen So appreciate you taking the time and recognize city management the comments that just mr. Mirror also wanted to let the council know We are anticipating a dedication Sometime I think in mid-October. I don't know the date has been absolutely confirmed But that will happen along the way and we'll get a chance to all see it together first hand and to celebrate with the Business owners and yeah residents down the area. So thank you. Joseph. I appreciate you We have a lot going on with the children's initiative The Maureen Joy Charter a lot is going on in their community habitat humanity a lot is clicking on all cylinders there So I appreciate y'all and y'all have a blessed day. Thank you. Thank you Let me ask the Councilwoman Cattati item 5 that we pulled you want to and councilman I'm sorry. I I'm Lost the thread for a moment, but I have questions on item 12, and I don't think it got pulled previously. Thank you All right Thank you mayor. I wanted to see if we could get a map of the phase two of the project just for easier reference and then I Was struck by the MDBC and well The goals were so low. Can you comment on that? I think and I'd have to pull up the memo But it was zero and maybe 2% I would have to Reginald Johnson a director of the community development. Those were reviewed by I would have to talk further within the get any more detail on the but they did work with us on that Okay, it was zero and one percent actually. So yeah, that'd be great And then can you just comment on the management fee of 16 percent? I will let Larry Jarvis assistant director comment on them Larry Jarvis Department of Community Development The question is on the management fee That goes back to the cap that the North Carolina Housing Finance Agency has on the developer's fee and For McCormick Barron to earn the fee For this size project in North Carolina that they would have earned elsewhere In phase one we allowed them to charge a management fee for their Oversight of the site prep and the infrastructure and those types of things and the same would be true with the second phase where it's To equal things up in terms of the total developer's fee Could I just to be clear too that that is a fee that would be paid to someone? We're paying it to McCormick Barron. So it's not that it's an additional fee It is a fee that would be paid to someone to manage the infrastructure Design and installation on that on that phase of the project That's a councilman. Have you finished the councilman with the party? Let me go to councilman shuling the councilman market Thank You mr. Mayor if we approve this will Will we be able to meet the May and August deadlines described in here related to the tax credit application? Yes, if we do approve it on this cycle on this current cycle We do have a schedule that will allow us to McCormick Barron to be in position to apply For the tax credits and have all the work done and that's needed in time for the submission in May, okay? And then what uncertainties do we face in terms of the four-acre site in this item? Any environmental concerns similar to phase one? I don't think and we don't think that there are going to be the concerns that we had with phase one If you remember there were studies done with on phase one the proud challenges that we had where after we went 20 feet in the ground But the studies that we have done so far and we don't think that that's going to materialize a game If you remember that was a particular ravine that was that was 20 feet in the ground. Thank you. Thank you That's councilman market. Thank you. I have on page one It's talking about the funding and it says Move this note There's repayable Pre-development loans sometimes some of the loans that we do we know in advance that they're going to roll over and probably not get repaid Are we expecting full repayment of this particular loan? The pre-development loan will be at 0% at the point at which we provide the other construction of permanent financing and All the loans convert from the construction phase to the permanent phase They all then will have an interest rate of 2% Except for that increment that we held back for the market rate units and then It's subject to cash flow payments over the term. However, we set the term up And so there will be some repayment. It's not like a fully amortizing loan But it depending on how far we wanted to project out in the future It would fully amortize it might take 40 years or 45 years Okay, then on page two It's time that source of some of the funding some of the work East side of first block of South Bronx borough Re-signalization of the intersection and it says the tasks were not completed of the funds expended And I just wanted to ask is that mean they were not expended for these tasks or they were not expended in any way They were not expended for these particular tasks because they were concentrating on other issues that we're dealing with right That was fun and so it said that was not a priority that we could hold that work back And I completed it later date. Okay, and then down at the bottom of page two It talks about needing to make some commitments prior to determination of the award Do we need to put the full three point four million dollars at risk prior to determination of the award No, as a matter of fact, we can't enter into a full commitment until we have the award of tax credits Okay, great. Thank you. That's all. Thank you recognize councilman Brown Thank You miss mayor just two questions the you state that the phase one construction is moving towards a December 31 2014 in service date How is that do you think we're going to meet that to end of the year? Yes, councilmember Brown. I expect that we do the actually the first Tenants will be moving in next month Moving into the buildings that are already completed as we have shared earlier their buildings that are complete now The building that's will come online last will be building to Which is the four-story building on Lakewood the schedule is on schedule For completion in November and so we do expect and that's also with the pond Runs concurrently with that and we do expect them to meet that schedule Second question. Well, we hope we can meet that since as you know, we were a year behind It will be made it will be made Second question on this phase two That we're talking about That will be 79 units Yes, that's what we're looking at 79 units and what will be Including all the the cost that you have outlined here under the recommendation. What will be the aggregate cost per unit? That don't yeah for those 79 units that I don't have the cost that you can travel in front of you are Pre-development cost and one of the things that we do need to do is to engage firms to work on That I don't know if assistant director Jarvis has any more comments No, again a part of the work that subject to this particular item is Finalizing the design of those buildings and the associated site prep and infrastructure costs So we would be able to answer that question Okay. Thank you Let's move to item 7 which was pulled grant project orders to recognize in 2014 state of Durham's economy breakfast revenues superseding on 14 3 2 5 recognized Councilor Schuyl. Thank you, mr. Mayor So the way I understand this I just want to make sure you want the state of Durham economy event to be self-sustaining And then and then to put the remaining funds toward the youth works internships in neighborhood revitalization. Is that did I get that right? Sheila Huggins office of economic and workforce development. Yes So the breakout that you see on the grant shows how the money's from the events will be spent and Then so the ordinance has about 21,000 of the 64,000 dollars in the 2014 event Revenue going to the SODE expenses and then does that mean that this will cover all event expenses for next year So let me make sure that you understand the 64,000 that's represented obviously I do not represents funds from both the 2012 event and the 2014 event so the amount that we have shown there the 24,000 represents The portion received from last year and this year and so we're not entirely sure that what we have in revenues this year We'll cover the next event. I guess I'm okay So I'm trying to figure out if it's self-sustaining or not. Is it? We're not sure so it is we did have profit. So at this point we did cover all of our expenses. Yes, got it. Thank you Listen you welcome move right to nine a professional services contract ST 272 C Duke Gregson curve extensions Yes, the sole question I have is is to what extent will the Bicycle Pedestrian Advisory Commission? Be able to weigh in on the design of the curve extensions Good afternoon. Tasha Johnson assistant director of Public Works. There are several Public meetings scheduled throughout the design process. So there will be at least two opportunities for them to comment What I hope to avoid with Duke and Gregson is the current crew haha that we're seeing over West Club. Thank you Thank you Like you move to item 10 contract with our habitats link for alga's turf scroll mobile pilot system installation operation What what why are you moving it? Why don't we get to Don's you pull 12? Okay? Why are you setting that up? Okay, so in this contract and there are two different bidders and they have and so what it looks to me like They're doing is the that the water department saying we think that this is the Representation of the work that will be calling these people to do on an emergency basis and then you've applied the It could correct me when I'm wrong here, but that they that you've applied their bids for each line item to the sort of overall comparison and And then the work may or may not be exactly like that. You may have more or less Is that correct so far? Yes Good afternoon mayor mayor pro tem members of council Don Greeley department of water management the units that are in there are typical units that would be used to To pay for a contractor to doing the emergency work These contracts are in place With the intention of not being used so hopefully, you know, we won't have an emergency that we'd have to call on them The reason why we have two contractors is if one of the contractors has his forces tied up And you know we can call on another contractor There's a substantial difference in that to Sort of overall pricing deal when you're just do y'all go back and forth between them Or do you try to go to the lowest bid first on each contract or we would probably go to the lowest bidder first? with the intention of And if they weren't able to do the work go to the second Thank you does my questions Thank you. We can go to the presentation Hello, my name is Danielle mirror. I'm with public works department And this is Michelle wolf look also with the public's works department who will answer other questions if I can't I'm here today to present My agenda item requesting approval for the algal turf scrubber Pilot study So is there a way for us to meet the falls in Jordan like goals in a cost-effective manner? The falls in Jordan Lake strategies Are to meet the state's chlorophyll a standard? Which means less algae Typical ways for us to reduce chlorophyll a levels less algae Their plants so is to reduce their food which in this case would be nitrogen and phosphorus the This led to the state The state had developed the lake nutrient strategies, and this requires the city of Durham to Meet a target rate of 40% nitrogen reduction and 77% phosphorus Reduction leaving the land based on a 2006 Levels so there are some ways to reduce nitrogens from Nutrient sources from the lake one is in lake treatment This is where nothing is disturbed One example that most of you may have heard of on the news is the one that the North Carolina legislative approved in Jordan Lake, which is the solar bees that pretty much aerates the lake and Prevents how algal? Harmful algal blooms a second way would be lakeside treatment This is where it pulls water out of the lake treats it and we pump it back in also commonly known as the pump and treat dredging is another way people Reduced nitrogen and phosphorus from lakes The sediment on the bottom has a lot of nutrients so therefore if you remove the sediment you're removing some of the nitrogen sources Which can then later? Be found up in the water column so With this in mind city of Durham Had asked consultants to conduct a feasibility study on two innovative technologies That were lakeside treatment to determine if it would be cost effective in order to evaluate new and innovative technology There's a three-step process first. There's a feasibility study Which is a Pretty much a paper exercise To evaluate if these technologies will work in the city of Durham two were conducted and completed in 2013 Second phase would be the pilot study, which is the purpose of my agenda Pilot study is a small-scale short-term application of the technology in Durham The pilot study will provide real-time beta and Information on how the technology will work in Durham's environment early troubleshooting would be Early troubleshooting of the process will also occur This will give us a better idea to move forward with a full scale Which would be the third step a full-scale facility is larger long-term and will provide us? Nutrient credits to meet our goals So let me step back a second. I had mentioned we have done completed a feasibility study. There were two of them That's been completed in 2013 Early 2013 the city council had approved these two studies one on the algal turf scrubber and The second one on obvolutions The purpose of a feasibility study is one to find potential locations for a pilot study or a full-scale facility Disposal of byproducts or Waste To figure out the permits required for a pilot or a full-scale facility the costs for a pilot study and the cost for a Full-scale facility the algal turf scrubber feasibility study looked at How nutrients removed Since they grow algae and then the algae is harvested and and taken out of the The lake where aquilutions removes the nutrients directly both of these studies Focused on the Falls Lake watershed in L. R. B. Creek Little Lick Creek and Falls Lake proper So can this technology really work for Durham? Neither one of these technologies have been used nor Evaluated in the city of Durham or in North Carolina so the study for the algal turf scrubber took City of Durham stormwater Monitoring data from L. R. B. Little Lick and Falls Lake put it in their model model to determine the amount of Algae that would grow and nutrients removed and their results on this Model study was very promising There were assumptions made such as what kind of algae will grow The evaluation of like weather conditions, which would be the optimal Algae growth and what would happen in our winters and the amounts of nutrients that these algal mats would Remove the second feasibility study was the aquilutions aquilutions Technology for the feasibility had gone out collected water samples from Little Lick L. R. B. and Jordan Lake I mean Falls Lake. I'm so sorry and those samples Two were taken during the year and they were sent to Florida to do a bench-scale study Currently public work stormwater is not recommending the aquilutions technology at this time Additional research is needed to determine its nutrient is nitrogen removal So to look at it and say well innovative new technology when we have old technology, you know Traditional technology such as BMPs also known as SCMs the stormwater control measures One way of many different ways to compare the Technologies is to do a cost per pound comparison just looking strictly at the cost to remove Pounds of nitrogen and palm pounds of phosphorus This table here shows on the top is it's based on our feasibility study of the algal turf scrubber the most efficient Station they estimate it to be 19, you know the nineteen and sixty seven dollars per pound and least efficient on the bottom There I have SCMs the stormwater control measures Those numbers are based on a 2010 LRB Creek watershed implementation plan and That was based on the top 20 prioritized BMPs that We had written in that plan Not on this chart is another one. I know the committee's familiar with is the South LRB wetland You may want to know how does algal turf scrubber compare to that? Well with With the feasibility study, it looks like an Algal turf scrubber if the results were to show can move remove two to three times as much nitrogen and phosphorus as our South LRB Creek wetland The estimated cost that the wetland Would remove for nitrogen was six thousand seven hundred so that's tenfold higher than our least efficient estimate at the worst site for the feasibility So I want to show you this pie chart real quick. This was created in April May for a public work stormwater budget meeting We are stipulated by 2021 to meet our stage one Development goals of nitrogen as you see on this pie chart. We had put different BMPs nutrient banks existing projects innovative technologies You'll see it's a very small pie piece of the pie because we were very conservative and we don't have some of the studies Produced but this overall goal pie chart is about 45 million dollars in order for us to meet stage one goals now If we can get a pilot study to verify our results We we may be able to increase the innovative technologies. So based on our Feasibility study using our most effective most cost effective station I'm going to show you the biggest picture which would be a thousand percent increase of innovative technologies in our strategy to meet our stage one nitrogen reduction goals Now Some of us say wow you're using the most cost effective from a Estimated well if I were to use the least cost effective the second line on my chart We would still get an 80% increase in innovative technology as our big as part of our plan to Reduce nutrients and meet the state's goals So this is there is a strong potential that the algal turf struggle scrubber can be a big game Changer So why do a pilot study first the algal turf scrubber? As I said can be a game changer The overall to the overall cities plan to remove nitrogen to meet stage one falls Lake nutrient strategy goals second. There are still several assumptions That need to be evaluated in North Carolina before considering a full-scale facility The pilot study will verify Assumptions made about performance and give us a closer look and better help us prepare our Total budget and goal to meet our Nutrient goals so this agenda item asks for the approval of the algal turf scrubber pilot study Since the feasibility study showed promising results for nutrient reduction requirements. Thank you You're welcome. Let me See if there are questions by members of the council, I know one question that's gonna come up So I'm gonna ask it has nothing to do with the technology talked about it has to do with WDB and Employment and I saw it as Debra Diles in the audience She's not here Okay, I guess I was just curious in terms of The goals that were set and maybe somebody could explain the goals because the net of it is you have zero Minority participation in this company. I think it's 3% for women which met the goals I just thought maybe somebody on staff could tell us what was behind that I mean given the fact that we raised this question and I just spotted every meeting Michelle will vote with the Department of Public Works and and I can't answer that question But we can get back with the EOEA and find out the answer for that Appreciate it Other questions on recognizing the mayor program. I want to ask Michelle a question. Michelle Will we ever be able to reach the state goals? any of them Just based on the fact that this is a man-made lake and it's Man or woman-made lake. What have you? Human Human human nature human-made or human-made lake any other definitions? Okay, in my opinion This is only my opinion We can meet stage one We cannot meet the chlorophyll a goal in the upper part of Falls Lake in my opinion I don't think this the current strategy Will cost us a lot of money and will not get us to the goal Okay Why are you standing Michelle? is a Is an outstanding resource person for the upper-noose River Basin Board of Directors and we just happened to meet yesterday and I mentioned that We would receive a presentation on today from from her and She worked she corrected me and she in fact had to give the presentation yesterday For the upper-noose River Basin Board of Directors and at one juncture. I said you are welcome to tune in to our work session But they continued Job well done. Thank you Recognize councilman school. Thank you, Mr. Mayor councilman the So are the nutrient removal statistics from the feasibility study or they from some other kind of modeling That you're projecting you're projecting these these nutrient remove this amount of nutrient removal And then you're then you're putting that new equation and you're telling us what it's going to cost us Where do the statistics come from how much nutrients are what are the numbers come from how much nutrients you think is going to Are you asking about the nutrients removed from Alkiterf scrubber the most cost-effective and least Well, they were about 10 stations that were evaluated based on flow Conditions and they have a model on how it would work So we had the least the least effective because it does need a flow and there were some areas where They would not be able to get enough flow to remove the most and then there were the the best located areas So all of that was put together on a model To create okay, so so it was from our own feasibility study that does work that does work No, these were produced from our location. Yeah, that's what I wanted. Thank you very much. Yeah from ours. Thank you I can recognize council market. Okay, so first let me ask you make sure I understand I didn't I thought I did and didn't I didn't know I'm not sure the feasibility study was actually based on physical locations at Falls Lake But when you say it was based on our locations You're saying that we actually had something on the ground that we studied or we took locations and put it into a Computer model provided to us by August Turfscrubber We specified the locations in general that we wanted evaluated Our monitoring program supplied information that went into a model and then they evaluated ten different locations with their model Yes, okay. Thanks and the pilot study somewhere around close to four hundred thousand dollars and if we got to a full-scale facility Just out of curiosity how much money are we talking about we have any idea? The feasibility study had estimated depending on location and and size. It was anywhere between Five to I think about twelve million dollars and that did not include the land But then at the same time a full-scale will produce a lot more nutrient credits that we've already spoke to the state about Other other questions recognize councilman Brown. Thank you, mr. Mayor Going back to my colleague's question about cost You use the number and I was a little confused maybe sure as my fault, but 45 million dollars In your report and that was to That was our estimate for for stage one removal. Yes, okay just from stormwater I'm sorry just from stormwater because there's also that's just with the storm water. Yes, okay so With the more efficient model, what would that cost be? Or estimate I know these are all estimate best case we could potentially have that well See to some that may raise the the specter the issue of Why so much emphasis on stormwater? Removal that can be exceedingly costly to any development If it's not that efficient a legitimate question for the state Right now I have I have we have a mandate so we're working on the mandate We are also working on trying to modify the mandate to something more realistic, but that's still a few years away I think the final question is Be a 20 million or 45 million Oh Where's the money gonna come from from the citizens of the watershed does that include those in Wake County a small number Very small number Okay, so what thing the conclusion what you're telling us is that that cost will be borne by most of the people here This afternoon meaning the taxpayers of Durham City and Durham County Based on what we know now. Yes We are of course with this innovative technology. There's opportunities to do True public-private partnerships There's opportunities to work with nutrient banks who may look at this as an easier way to generate credits to be sold But we are you know, that's step three and slightly beyond We're still at the pilot study phase Uh Mr. Manager, I would like in the future some within hopefully the next several months to have a report on The entire credit approach to Environmental issues. I know that's what Duke is looking at We are in discussion of that I don't know that it will be ready in a couple of months, but as soon as it's whenever Great. Thank you Okay, are there other questions if not, thank you for the presentation Mr. Mayor, I did want to comment that it's amazing how many people came out to hear this Presentation on the Falls Lake nutrient reduction. I want to thank people for their interest Specialists they're going to be paying for it The mountain to manage this comment. This is the largest storm water presentation Crile we've had So if those who are here to hear the presentation that's over here for something else I guess we can go to the something else Which is item four and it's the city manager's response to the Durham Human Relations Commission and civilian police review board Let me say this before the manager starts again because I just want to make sure we're clear The council just received this report Monday night at the city council meeting 131 pages. I haven't been through all of it. Some of my colleagues may have I have not gone through all of it So what we want to do this evening is to allow the city manager to present his report If there are questions that council members have Allow time for that Those of you in the audience who have signed up to speak and I want to make sure that I have 16 persons So if anyone else wants to speak I Suggest you go to the table now because after the 16th person that's going to be this is not a public hearing But we understand the interest and that's why we allow in person to speak If you have written comments You can leave them with the clerk Based on the number of people we have signed up I'm going to suggest that each person has no more than three minutes to speak on an item and I said if you have written comments, you can leave it with the clerk What we will do after we've heard the comments out there the city manager's report it will allow the council to go back and digest what has been said and This item would be on the subterment of the second City council meeting as a GBA item your own business agenda item Which time the council will react may choose not to react to what's been said and what's been heard So that's that's the process we're going to use and I'm going to turn it over to the city manager and again If you want to speak please go to the clerk's office Clerks desk and sign up for this item. All right, mr. Manager. You have floor. Thank you, mr. Mayor. Good afternoon again everyone Mayor members of council as you will recall at the June 16th City Council meeting I reiterated to you and the public my commitment at that the City managers and the city manager's office commitment to lead the review and subsequent response To the recommendations regarding police community relations racial bias and disparity From the Human Relations Commission as well as the recommendations and the related recommendations from the civilian police review board With the goal of completing our work and reporting back to the city council at today's work session And I'm pleased as a result of a team effort Focus commitment of time and resources over the last 60 days this summer We are we are able to meet that goal and are here today to discuss the report Which as you mentioned mr. Mayor was provided to you and the community Earlier this week on monday afternoon And while the process has been long and at times arduous it has not been a burden In fact, I can safely speak for my staff that we have learned a lot along the way And while some perspectives have been confirmed Many new ones have been shaped Let me first begin with a few thank yous to my city manager office staff Wanted a page keep chadwell bow fergusson berley thompson karmisha wallison our icma fellow maddie stevens Who were major and significant contributors to the report? I want to give them recognition as well Again as I had indicated earlier to the mayor and city council I want to thank you For your patience in allowing the process and the review of the processes to take their run their course without intervention And trusting the staff to do the work that you charged us with I want to thank deputy chief anthony marsh as the Durham police department's liaison to the city manager's office to Assist in in responding to questions. We had about current police practices and general orders Certainly again, thank you to the human relations commission And the civilian police review board for the countless hours you've spent over the last 10 months Thinking about these issues shaping issues and helping us to think about them as well And finally, I'd like to thank the advocacy groups for Your input and more importantly for your cooperative attitude that you presented to us on behalf of your organizations When we had the opportunity to meet with you Durham's greatness is enhanced by its willingness to publicly discuss and debate difficult issues And difference of thought and opinion And this issue of police community relations and unexplained racial disparities are no different Here are some of the takeaways from our work First We have a great and dedicated and nationally Recognized police department and staffed by men and women who are committed to public safety A consistent high priority from our resident satisfaction survey We found in numerous areas the recommendations were either already in practice or were in the process of being responded to The police department's data and analytics practices are some of the best in the state if not in the country The police department needs to better and proactively use these capabilities To inform the command staff And the city administration when trends indicate inequities or issues that negatively impact positive police community relations Our review and the data tells us in some areas unexplained racial disparities do exist And we need to use these data capabilities to better understand and explain trends And underlying specifics of disparities and respond to what we learn and discover We need to do all of this proactively at the highest levels as regular and a routine part of our work And finally to be effective many of the issues at hand Regarding disparities and community relations extend well beyond the boundaries of the Durham police department Many meeting Durham's community standards expectations and aspirations regarding safety Justice and equity will take a dialogue and collaboration between the entirety of the local criminal justice system The city of Durham and its police department Durham county Durham county sheriff's office the district attorney's office the district court and many others The report and recommendations therein stand on their own And i'm certainly prepared to clarify answer and respond to questions From the city council as you deem appropriate this afternoon As we have worked through this process the resounding themes of trust Accountability and transparency were clear and are evidently critical to moving forward and we are committed to see that they remain so As it relates to transparency, it is my intention that the recommendations once confirmed will be tracked In our progress transparent to the community through the city's website through periodic pack updates and other community presentations I am certain that some will never be satisfied with the level of transparency But privacy laws and security will prevail As it relates to accountability From the city manager to the police chief the police department in the entire city organization We expect to be held accountable to the mayor and city council and the community For our work and our actions and most importantly for our results No one is perfect and while we may strive for perfection We expect excellence in everything we do as employees of this organization And finally as it relates to trust The public trust is an awesome responsibility None more important than a trust a community has with its police department Trust between the police department and all segments of the community is in every resident's best interest And it is essential for a civil society And a progressive and progressive city progressing city And while trust must certainly be earned It equally must be given And I look forward to using this report and the resulting discussions to strengthen the bridge connecting this trust So thank you this afternoon Thank you, mr. Manager. Let me ask first other questions or comments by members of the council You're gonna ask councilman I just want to add my appreciation for the Both to fade The fostering alternatives to drug enforcement for bringing these issues forward in the first place And really putting them bringing them Really to our attention and secondly to the human relations commission For their many months of work Many meetings hearing both presentations and personal experiences and for compiling that into the report And I just wanted to give that credit as well Thank you recognize councilman shul Thank you, mr. Mayor. I do have some questions, but first I wanted to thank the city manager and Your office Mr. Bonfield this was a prodigious amount of work produced in a short period of time and I think that you all Covered a lot of ground And I also wanted to thank the city attorney's office for your participation Mr. Baker, I think that was really valuable and the information that you included here about the The you know, the the legal precedence and so forth was extremely helpful. Thank you But I just I really appreciated I think this lays a great groundwork for our discussion and I really very much appreciate it's extremely thoughtful And to again to the human relations commission others have said it, but you all did a great job I know many of you all are here today I'll also Wanted to Say to our police department. I know this isn't going through this whole process has been trying our Our officers are over here on this side our our leaders and I just want to say that We have a lot of confidence in you and we know that we have tremendous men and men and women on the street doing a great job and I've been riding with police officers lately young officers late at night And seeing firsthand the work that they do and the difficult decisions that they have to make all the time And it's impressive. They're thoughtful. They're well educated and they're doing their best Every day, so thank you all for for leading that that kind of force So I have some questions And Let me just Think what I'll do is I'll just sort of uh, first of all I want to say some of the things that I I want to commend the police department for In terms of of what this report told us One of them is I was really pleased to see the proactive response you all have made on the recommendation Concerning the training That you all have instituted in biospace policing I think that this is a great step forward I know you all were already involved in this but the fact that you've resolved to strengthen this And to have all your new officers go through it and your current staff is great Also noticed there was a recommendation in there for the possibility of Other members of the community joining the top leadership in in that kind of session And I just wanted to say I also thought that was a great idea And in general, I wanted to thank you and commend you for moving forward on that That was a key recommendation I think and and I think you've taken the bull by by the horns I was also really impressed something I knew about but this report really strengthened it for me, which was the Uh the extent to which our crisis intervention training is extremely well developed And the fact that we have 180 officers who've had this training The fact that many of them are our line officers Is it is it is also a real tribute to what you do your alliance with behavioral health and the fact that we have a Specialized staff who's who's helping with that relationship. And again, that's something I've seen many times When I've been riding is the importance of that training and again, I want to I want to thank you and commend you and then finally they move the the art the the Practices that you've already adopted regarding data collection, which mr. Bondfield outlined here You've already taken a lot of really strong steps to improve the data collection And the accountability that goes along with that And and so again, I want to thank you all for those steps and I think that they're extremely commendable And it says to me that our police department has really been listening and and I'm I'm really appreciative of that There's there are more things but those were a few of the highlights for me that I thought that I really wanted to Say to the department how important they were and how good I have I have a lot of questions, but the ones that I want to focus on are really having to do with The cameras the consent search But I think before I get to them, I want to make just one general comment about the marijuana having the the low level drug enforcement be that drug enforcement for low level Violations be our lowest priority, which was a recommendation of some of the groups and the human relations commission Has dealt with as well and what I want to say about that is I think it's really important, but I I've I'm extremely Supportive of what the manager had to say about that which is that this is a community wide This cannot be done by our police department alone. It can't be done just by change in enforcement That's got to be part of it and I was I thought that There was a I'm sure many of you all are aware of an article that ray grunberg did in the herald not long ago Which talked about the fact that Durham already has that our Drug arrests are already substantially below the national and state average there. They are Perhaps I believe four times Lower than other cities in North Carolina including once in Salem This is really This was new information and good, but and so I believe very deeply that Mass incarceration of young african-american men is One of the greatest if not the greatest Challenge facing our society and I believe very deeply that this has to do with low level Drug offenses and the way that they are dealt with Here in Durham and elsewhere and I think we need to change it But what I do feel very strongly is it's going to take a discussion with district attorney and with our judges and So I think the manager recommended is if I read this correctly that we move forward with that and that we that the council Try to initiate that. Mr. Bondfield. Is that a correct interpretation? And that we move forward with that and we get that discussion going so that we can make that happen I don't think that's something we can make happen by ourselves, but I feel as a council It should be our obligation and I appreciate the manager bringing to us that we need to push this And I I I believe that and I think we need to get together with our district attorney and we need to get together with our Our judges and we need to make this happen I wish Personally that we could decriminalize marijuana possession, but that's not going to happen in this state And so we have to De-prioritize and and we need to work with our police in the way that that will work for them and and we'll work with our judges And our district attorney The the area of the report that Was most concerned about has to do with the consent searches and the cameras and I'm sorry that I I will try to be organized that I'm not I'm not sure I can be actually on this, but let me just Take it from the top maybe starting to talk about the cameras since I think they come first and this is about recommendation six and seven I'll I'll just I know that we're not going to answer all these questions today, but let me just tell you what mine are I was concerned that Well, let me just say that I felt that it would be a good thing if or at least would worthy of study That the officer would be required to activate the the camera When he or she gets out of the car to encounter a suspect If this was not a traffic stop So we have if the if the light is already running as I understand the camera's on But I also I assume that there are times when that is not true And I think we're looking for situations as often as we can to get the camera on and I was impressed With what you included about the body cameras and the fact that they have the potential to reduce the use of force And other Problems substantially and the fact that we're looking at the body cameras. I think is great But I I wasn't entirely satisfied with the idea that the cameras were going to be On so intermittently and I was troubled by that And I felt like we needed a firmer guideline, you know prohibit turning the The camera off until such and such a time Do you want to We worked on that issue maybe to uh to comment but sure Mr. Ferguson Bo Ferguson deputy city manager for operations Worked with uh deputy chief marsh on responding to that The the current practice and deputy chief I encourage you to correct me if I mistake this is that for traffic stops It does capture those in instances where they get away from the car There is a radio on the officer and where the rate when they get out of range of the car That's where it becomes problematic for it to capture I think that's where some of the discussion of the body cameras was mentioned as a potential technological fix But you are correct that uh, they are not able to capture all interactions at this point with civilians And that's more of a technology issue than it is Something that is is overt decision on the part of the officer not to do That's correct Whenever a vehicle initiated interaction is there and the cameras are are mounted on the vehicle The cameras are running throughout that interaction and it's part of the general order that they must remain In operation throughout that throughout that interaction It is when they get away from the vehicle that that the Microphone is no longer able to capture Okay, so I mean I have some more specifics about that But let me just say that that's I think what I really want to do is flag it And just say I don't want to try to go into a lot of detail here, but but I found it And maybe it is all just technological and can't be solved, but I had this sense that My feeling was we needed some sort of a firmer guideline that that we were you know officers That that would give the officers the ability to use the camera And that in fact we would insist upon the use of the camera as much as possible I'm not sure I you know, I don't I'm sure I don't have all the details, but I'd like to understand it better We'll certainly flag that and go back and see if there's there's language that needs to be clarified or additional information that can be provided Thank you very much the So my other Issue and this is I think is the most significant issue is how to handle the consent stops the consent searches and I understand very very Very well why the police officers really want The discretion to make the decisions that they that they you know On a timely basis when they're there and In a situation and as I say I've been riding with police who've been in difficult situations and have had to make very tough Very tough timely decisions and where discretion was important I don't Understand why this would have to be one of them. I can very well see why You know the the difficulties that were described here An officer would have to go back to his car perhaps or her car and and retrieve the the form would have to come forward with that form Is concerned about losing control of the stop Those are legitimate concerns and then I think we have to weigh them against the the The fact that that discretion is traded for the fact that you've got a written consent And that you know the person is really truly fully consented If we had the kind of camera covers that we're talking about Where we really did have Body cameras that were truly recording the situation and we knew we could rely on that I think I would feel differently But since we don't have that I'm My concern is that we Have a really solid knowledge that consent has been given and I think the best the way to do that is written consent I wasn't I was also impressed by the fact that In the report it says Most agencies and even the Durham district attorney and chief district court judge indicate their preference for documented searches That's important The fact that that our judges The chief district court judge and the district attorney Favor that and we can't fully document with the cameras. What is our other option? Our other option is written consent And so I just hope that we will give that every consideration I would I would very much hope that we would adopt that I do understand that it is not free of cost for our police officers But I hope we'll I'll hope we'll go in that direction I will note that the report says that officers will be encouraged to employ the written consent to search for them However, the discretion will remain with the officer and the encouragement is good I know that that matters, you know, if that's your training and you're encouraged to do it I've seen our police officer to know enough that that will make a difference But I think we can put the nail in this And and I think we should I was hopeful I guess one other thing I'd like to flag in that regard is a little bit more about the Fayetteville experience On the with the consent searches with the written consent searches I think I'm going to leave it at that. Mr. Manager. I have some other I have quite a few other questions of a sort of smaller nature But those I think are to me the At least for me the big unanswered ones they especially have to do with with the cameras and the consent searches And then exactly how you you've like you've set the table for us in terms of Working with our our judges and our and our district attorney to try to deal with the low-level drug arrests and I think it's up to us to Take that on and to to get on with it. So thank you so much, mr Thank you councilman shill Although I recognize the mayor pro tem and councilman davis um Mrs. Shewell covered a lot of what I was just just a minute I hope that you have patience with us This report was to the council from the city manager And so that's why I'm allowing the council persons to ask questions as they seem Necessary, but we're going to get to the public comments also. So just just bear with us I'm just trying to follow what we set up and we asked the manager to make a report He's made a report and there's an opportunity for the council members to raise their question I'll just be brief then first of all I want to thank the human relations commission for taking on this project You spent countless numbers of hours listening to our citizens and I'm so glad that the citizens Came to us and shared all of the concerns that you had Otherwise, we might Never have known all all of the details of what was going on in the community and Thirdly, let me thank you for coming here today Uh, and I am anxiously awaiting to hear from those who um Who who signed up? I share some of the concerns Um That mr. Schurl stated but my greatest concern is with the Greatest concern that the citizens shared and that had to do with consent Um Surveys as well. And so I want to get more details from that later. Uh, mr. Manager, but one of my major questions Is who are we recruiting? That's not a part of our that's not a part of this study, but we need to Look at how who we're recruiting Where they're coming from and then we need to look at The content of our orientation So that the people who come to work for us understand That this is local government. It is not an arm of the military It is local government and they are here to protect our citizens. So I think we need to look into Uh, the content of orientation to make sure Early on when they hit Durham soil that they understand who they are working for Uh, I haven't had a chance to go to orientation. I do plan to do that But it's so important that at that first step, you know Who you're coming to work for and the demographics and culture of of this city That's basically where I am right now I have a I have a lot of questions But I also want to hear from our citizens, but we need to look at recruitment We need to look at the orientation Content to make sure that people who come to work for us better understand who we are And what our expectations are and that chief I give you credit at the last Graduation you shared Um a new light for me on what the expectations were For folk who came into the city as police officers to work for us I appreciate that but what I want to see is Their first day on the job to an orientation they understand Who we are because after they finish the academy They may have already got you know formed some opinions And so I just I want at the beginning And I can't tell you what to do, but I can share what would be great If you could speak to them first day On what the expectations are you don't tarnish A badge tarnishes And you can clean it up But when you tarnish a reputation is not that easy And the importance of trust Between the community and our officers Thank you I recognize councilman Davis Thank you, Mr. Mayor I want to follow up on all the things that my colleagues have said and to thank the manager for his wide Reach in terms of trying to make sure that he got comments from All segments of the community. I'm particularly thankful that you reached out to members of the clergy and trying to make sure that Of houses of faith are able to weigh in on these issues and that we can have Hopefully a community dialogue that would include the clergy The community the schools And the home To make sure that our children are aware of the things that In addition to the things that you've had in specifically from the h Hrc commission But also that we have a community dialogue talking about the issues that face our children Particularly in light of the things that we've been watching from the midwest And in other parts of this country Durham can lead And we we have the people as evidenced by the folks who are here today And i'm hoping that we can have a Wide-spread community dialogue about the issues that have come forth from the manager's report From the hcr commission hcr As well as from other people who want to make sure that we Make sure that we don't have the the kinds of things that would happen here That have happened in other places. So I commend you and I want to hear from the people Thank you councilman davis councilman catari Thank you mayor and thank you all for coming. Um I will just make some very broad general remarks. I did have specific questions, but in Trying to collate them just now. I realize this is not a page number document And I think i've just moved them all out of order. So I just want to start by saying how much I really appreciate the careful review and the analysis And of course all the community input I do look forward to a much more in-depth discussion and additional review I will say that I was very comforted by the Through the analysis that so much of the Recommendations already meet best practices elsewhere in the country And I do and in the state and that we have begun to implement Some of the recommendations in terms of specifics Um Well, I should say mr. Manager. Can you reissue this with page numbers that would be good for the next round and I'll just transpose them Thank you In terms of the consent searches. So really around recommendations 9 10 and 11 I wanted to get a better understanding of why just the heat teams would be doing audio and video recording. So again Trying to get a better handle on that. I'd also like to know In terms of making the use of cameras and microphones mandatory for cars that are so equipped what proportion of our current Force already has that equipment So how how broad is that? Let me jump in terms of I don't know which recommendation this is because my page is now out of order but in terms of Semi-annual analysis of data on traffic stops. I'd like an understanding of why you didn't suggest we do it quarterly I didn't see that specifically Sure, yeah So the recommendation was quarterly and when we we reviewed that We really felt like quarterly is not going to give you enough information to identify trends in that regard And and it's a lot of work. Yeah, you know And so we felt that was it was more realistic and we could get as much Out of the data that would come out of a semi-annual report Still doesn't mean that things aren't being reviewed you know On an incident basis or something like that, but in terms of the totality of the data It was it was a much more efficient use of time And and more likely to be you know more meaningful information if it had A larger context and semi-annual would would do that Okay, thank you. I appreciate that In terms of Again, I don't have the recommendation number, but The implementation of fair and impartial policing and I do appreciate that you have already begun implementation And you do spell out A training schedule both for new recruits and for captains and lieutenants and others and I was Um Essentially trying to get a handle on when we expect Everyone that's planned to be trained would be trained. So what's the the end timetable on that? Deputy chief marsh if he could Give that estimate. Mr. Chadwell is over at the county assisting in a Recruitment interviews, but Good afternoon council Deputy chief anthony marsh operating support October 1st and 2nd The exec staff and the captains and lieutenants will receive their training We have we sent two people to connecticut to be trained as trainers We just sent two other officers down to fadville recently To be trained as trainers. They've come back The last Group of recruits that just graduated they just completed this training before reporting for duty In terms of getting the entire department on training on a training schedule That's going to take several months. It's just it's just a matter of scheduling. That's all and that's something that we will be You know building into our tracking system and and continuing to report actually actually going forward The plan is to have every single during police officer trained And every recruit after they graduate going forward will also receive this training We put it at the end because we want it to be fresh in their minds when they hit the street interacting with the public On that note, I also appreciate the the rationale on the CIT training that that you would wait Yes, ma'am. So thank you. I don't know where that is. Thank you In terms of Sorry, I believe this is mental health training. Give me one sec Yeah, for again for crisis intervention You did talk about looking to secure new resources So I guess at some point it'd be helpful to understand what the estimated cost or what you believe the need is Okay And I think the quarterly review was number 17 that I already did so in terms of Making marijuana arrests a low priority. I very much support the Ongoing collaboration and meeting of both the chief the sheriff's department the district attorney and district court I think that's very important I did see I believe that you would recommend reporting back to the Durham crime cabinet and my request would be that Invitation for that go to all city council and all county commissioners not just those that serve on the crime cabinet And I guess at some point I'd like interim Briefings or a sense of what the likelihood of consensus is among that group and what kind of if we need More of a political dialogue or community dialogue so to speak that would be really helpful to know what that group is thinking That might be it until I sort through. Thank you. Again, I really appreciate it Thank you councilman market Yes, thank you. I um I didn't know how to tackle this report except from the beginning and so I'm up to about Um, and and just to read it as carefully as I can to make as many notes as possible. So I'm up to about item 16 um Counting on having a time in the future when we Can come back and discuss this more fully sort of All of us. So thank you Recognize the mayor pro term Yeah, I wasn't going to ask this but I want how often are officers rotated out of stressful Circumstances I this is from recommendation five. We recommend psychiatric evaluations for all officers and employees uh required once every uh three years and It's dates Here and there isn't a page just hrc five Yeah, so personnel exposed to extreme and stressful circumstances for many years that and that means folk who are working in stressful districts or Maybe in the military and no, it's not that matt the there is a general order that's attached to the Attachment to the recommendation and that has the specifics of which positions Are in those That stressful environment. It doesn't have anything to do with the The you know previous experiences type of things But we can certainly give you more information offline But the the details of which positions are covered are in the the backup material Okay, I I think we might want to look at Other kinds of professions that might cause stress as well Because that could be transferred to Law enforcement. Okay, are there other comments by members of the council before we go to the public If not, what I will do is to call each name If you can come to the podium to my right We have a timer. We're going to use three minutes per speaker Again, if you have written material, you like to leave with the clerk. Feel free to do that So as I call your name if you just come to the podium again, state your name and address Ian matt's minister Rafi Zahi Charlie Reese victor bonham Howard matching her Phil Wiggins Stella Adams Chris Tiffany Mark Anthony Milton Mike Evans Jesse Gibson Roland Staten Jackie Wagstaff Nancy Wilson DeCarlo Stanley and Phil C Now is there anyone else that wants to speak whose name I did not call? If you again if you go to the podium and Sign up, please After I get the last card from the clerk That will be the last person to speak on this item. So please if you think you want to speak Go to the clerk's station and sign up. Uh, are you mr. Matt We'll proceed please sir My name is Ian matt's. I'm an attorney at the southern coalition for social justice I'm also a member of the fade coalition. Um our address is 1415 west nc highway 54 um, I want to say Since we only have limited time that I I am in support of all five of the fade recommendations And we have said from the beginning that we think all five are necessary in order to see the sort of systemic change that we're looking for here in Durham Um, but since since we have limited time, I want to say a few words about written consent Um, a few weeks ago I provided each member of the council and uh, mr. Mayor with a copy of a number of memorandums that explore the different reasons why written consent makes sense from Um a racial equity perspective How it's proven effective in other jurisdictions in reducing the sort of racial disparities that we see in Durham Which are very pronounced and which are among some of the worst in the state It also lays out the case why written consent makes sense from a law enforcement perspective As councilman shul mentioned and I appreciate his remarks They're there you if you go and talk to the prosecutors and district attorneys office Many of them will tell you that they are wholly in support of this policy Um, I also provided you with a memorandum from the university of north carolina school of government Which lays out your inherent authority as a city council to implement written consent And we also provided you a memo on the marijuana LEP Laying out your authority to do that as well Um, I want to say that I believe that the city manager's recent changes and general orders Uh represent positive developments But if making a significant reduction in the racial disparities that we see in traffic enforcement and the warrantless searches Is our goal and I believe that that it is Um that then the solutions that he's proposed are are not going to be sufficient Um, the policy changes for the home searches and for the heat teams I think are a good one. Um, and I think it's particularly the home one is particularly wise in light of the recent story about the 911 entry that the independent weekly broke Um, but it's not going to make a difference in the lives. Um, or most citizen police Uh interactions because those happen in the context of vehicles stops Um, so I just wanted to reiterate that there is reason to think That a written consent policy for patrol officers would make a significant difference in in, uh, Those disparities and the memos kind of lay those out. Um Ultimately if what we want is this measurable reduction I would also stress that it's important that we do written consent and not recorded consent as some have suggested And some departments have done The reasons for this are very detailed and I don't have time to go into them now I would direct you to an excellent 2002 michigan law review article called erasing the fourth amendment And I'd be happy to provide you that really gets into the racial dynamics at play during citizen police encounters In the different way that white and black Um citizens are socialized to deal and interact with the police Um Our district attorney supports this our new district attorney roger eckles. I've spoken to him about it He has expressed his support the community organizations here today Um, can the p is that three minutes? Okay, again, if you have a written report, you can leave it to clear your remarks. Okay. Thank you. Mr. Mary. Can I make a quick comment? Sure Oh, I'd like to if you could send the article you mentioned to all the Sure, some members that be very beneficial. I will I uh, certainly don't anticipate that I will want to respond to every comment that's made but if something is said Putting words in my mouth that need to be clarified. I'd like an opportunity to clarify that on the record so that people aren't don't misconstrue And uh to go back to the the report And the conversations that I had personally with Roger eckles and with Judge moray and others Their preferences documented consent was not written consent. The report says documented consent. It doesn't say written consent I don't know what your conversations were. I'm not asking you to debate. I'm just want to be sure for the record Uh, and then also wanted to be clear that the charge from the council was that we respond to the recommendations from the hrc and the civilian police review board. It was not that we respond to um, the requests Or you know the the suggestions from fade nothing against the organization But there was a distinction between between those I think that needs to be said for the record and finally the city attorney may want to comment about the Uh information that was provided from the north carolina School of government on those issues. Um, but there's some question about you know, the the ease of which the The uh, that communication was provided. I hope I don't have to say anything the rest of the afternoon But I did those things were important as we start. Thank you Uh, Mr. Attorney, you have any comments? All right. Thank you. Again, if you want to leave your remarks with the clerk, I appreciate it. Uh, next is minister rafid say Yes, um, good afternoon council member city attorney I'm gonna be real brief because I think uh, my name is minister rafid zady I'm a senior citizen 71 years old I resided 807 south duke's greek. J. J. Henderson As the president of the black concern citizen and a member fade I believe that mr. Manson turned the man so really Explained what I was intending to say um And as I read this agenda the items today as I came in into this building. I noticed that number three It had a resource person by the name of boe Ferguson And I thought that was real strange Because the name Ferguson should ring a bell And you know, I'm from the show me state, Missouri and I believe that if accepted if accepted in grace with trust and transparency to heal this city If those fire recommendations was accepted like the marijuana in seattle Of course, there was white boys using marijuana in seattle They were being suspended from school They were being incarcerated. There was lawyers doctors and judges So they had to come up with a law to protect their own kind That's what happened in seattle from the horses mouth But I'm here to let you know That we have a fight here in front of us and our fight my fight is to give our children's Life a long life longevity We have been people classified as none white Who have been sitting targets in this community? I need to go no further juggison Ferguson But I pray I pray that all of us Will use this time That we have in our lives To do the best that we can In service to all our community our towns and our cities and to our nation And let us make the world in which we live better on our leaving On our leaving Then the world that we found as we came in in our birth And in my conclusion I had a meeting last night Not going to tell you where that where it's at because you're kicking the door with some young black brothers And they said to me he said brothers ad We're going to have a protest like Ferguson And we're going to start it at the d-pad We planned on holding and will be across me come to town. I said no That's what they want They want an excuse to use those military weapons that they have brought in the city To kill you. So I ask you I beg of you Do something now Are we all going to pay a price for not doing anything at all? Thank you Charlie Reese Good afternoon. My name is charlie Reese. I'm a resident of Durham. I live at 3604 Darwin road And i'm here today on behalf of Durham people's alliance The city managers report the well research and well intention falls short of what the people of Durham need from our city's leaders On this critical issue of restoring public trust in the Durham police department The measures proposed by the city manager today simply will not do enough to eliminate the troubling racial disparities that exist In the enforcement practices of the Durham police department Demit Disparities that have been brought forward by the fade coalition and the humor relations commission disparities that diminish us Greatly as a community I do want to recognize the months of hard work that city employees put in for this report the city manager The city attorney and the rest of the staff I also want to thank the members of the city man the city manager and his staff for meeting with representatives from the people's alliance To discuss these important issues I believe that tom bonfield is a dedicated public servant Who wants what is best for Durham? And there are certainly a number of positive steps in this report as Ian mance mentioned before The racial equity training for officers the periodic review of officer stop data the increased use of audio and video recording What by patrol officers and the heat teams and the written consent for consensual home searches But perhaps the most disappointing failure in this report is the city manager's decision not to require written consent for consensual vehicle searches You know our police officers are a true asset in our community. They do a difficult job well And no one nobody wants them to be in more danger than is absolutely necessary But even if there is Assuming that the city manager is right even if there is some increment of additional risk to officers And asking them to obtain a written consent for a consensual vehicle search as councilman Councilman she will said you have to compare that to the very real harm that's happening right now today in the city of Durham The harm that's being caused by these racial disparities in the way that vehicles are searched in Durham And as councilman she will said that's a cost We should be going to pay in order to address these very troubling disparities That's why the Durham people's alliance continues to stand with the fade coalition and urging the city council To take the next step in this process to continue to ask the difficult questions that you've asked today About the recommendations made by the city manager and to adopt the remaining recommendations that have been put forward by the fade coalition Durham people's alliance is confident that these recommendations will make the Durham police department A better partner in the life of our community and will reaffirm that all of Durham's citizens are entitled to equal protection of the laws Thank you Victor by them Good evening everyone. I'm from matt dougall terrace um, I don't really want to give my address Police there all the time. Um, they're not in woodcroft. That's why I came here. I feel safer in woodcroft Um, even though the police are in matt dougall terrace all the time And I believe that police are supposed to be in a place where you feel safe and I don't feel safe around the police So that's the opposite of what they're supposed to be doing Uh, I have three minutes. I didn't write anything down. I am the youngest one here I am representing um, right now Another thing I needed to say was that suspects here seem to be only black folk and White people are also suspects too because contraband is actually found equally amongst all races But they are not persecuted like everyone has them on it. So everyone does dirt But everyone isn't searched for their dirt. And that's another thing I need to say if I can just If I can uh, get anybody who who is here who uh Believes that we have racial disparities amongst the police if you can just raise your hands so we can see that visually This is no joke. Um I'm not here just you know for no reason I had to pay my way here and freedom is supposed to be free But I had to pay my way as in gas as in time to take off of work because that's where I come from And so if you don't know me you do know me now and you will continue to know me because I won't stop until you guys stop I have one minute. I didn't know it was going to go this slow, but I can keep speaking because It's a problem. I've been dealing with since I was born and uh Let's see. What else? You guys say anything and I'll expand on it for a minute You'll be no, there's no yield in time. Everybody. Yeah, just give me something anything I forgot what I was going to say when I got up here Every 28 hours a black man is killed Uh Or by the police and that is more than people who are in a war zone overseas and that's ridiculous Um, if we it seems that we're at a war over here But people are trying to blind our eyes like we're not seeing what we are really seeing so all I'm asking Oh, I just remembered something. I see a lot of construction going up But where I don't see it is in the mech where I Been there for a long time and I haven't seen any buildings. I haven't seen any Hold on guys. I haven't seen any type of You know Community organizations there. Um, I'm there. I'm willing to go into the east. I'm I'm around there too in all the places where police are Petrolling regularly every day on the hour every hour Um, that's where I'm not seeing a lot of progression. So, uh, I've seen south point go up and I just think we need more building. So call on me if you need any help. Thank you Howard messinger Good afternoon. I'm Howard moffing. I'm a Durham resident And uh while I appreciate I'm a member a proud member of the fade coalition And while I appreciate all the appreciation Given us I disturbed by what not was not heard in our reports and Let me remind us that the Ferguson incident began According to the testimony of a witness with the police Cussing at two young black men walking down the street Do any of us believe that this doesn't happen in Durham? If you've heard the testimony Countless testimonies of the interactions be between the police and young blacks You'll you have to admit and this is what came before the human relations council You have to recognize that the community has raised these issues that it's not a matter of just data collection um, and when Even though the report acknowledges The the human relations council finding of racial profiling. It doesn't really engage what that means in any meaningful way Um, and I think that's the core of the issue Mama Nia will speak Pointed out that you can't address what is a racial problem in a racially neutral way And I think that's the fantasy behind this report I think it's really important that we talk about racism We talk about the reality of it on the streets in Durham And if we don't do that, we'll be missing the what the reality here and missing an opportunity to lead on this issue I have a small caveat With the report that I want to raise here because it's implied that the FIP Uh racial training was recommended by the fade coalition and it was not So I want to make that clear for the record Thank you Phil Wiggins Mayor bail city manager bondfield members of the council. Well, thank you for allowing me to be here today My name is phil Wiggins. I'm retired captain with the Durham police department I presently serve as the uh, captain for our local state and national Fraternal order of police I'm here today in support of the Durham police department police chief. Jose Lopez senior Durham has been part of my life for many years Especially the last five years where my wife and I lived downtown Durham west village And developing new friendships and meeting a lot of people I'm excited about the future of Durham As as each of you are as well And I can deeply say What what happens in Durham that I'm also concerned about the Durham police department where I served 27 and a half years Durham has been an excellent police department. We have had female African-american white latino police chiefs From my perspective having worked in recruiting before with the Durham police department every effort was made then As it does now to recruit officers from different backgrounds And provides diversity training to all officers racism is not tolerated by the department Over the years the Durham police department has embraced the concept of community policing and continues to work in partnership with the community Earlier this month more than 100 neighborhoods throughout Durham participated in the national night out With with the community officers visited communities and with positive conversation With many of the residents the police department has numerous community outreach programs where officers work closely with the members of the community Programs such as the great officers in school Citizens reserve patrol and the district partners against crime to name just a few I met chief Lopez and his wife Rebecca Lopez soon after they moved to Durham seven years ago I can say from personal experience. They both truly care about the police department and the community Over the past few years. I've observed chief Show compassion and support to fellow officers at work Those hospitalized due to injury or sickness or while attending funerals And not only would he be there, but his wife would be there with him for support Ms Lopez who is a former police officer even started a program work with the families of new officers to help them adjust to the life Of the law enforcement officer both of them loved Durham and truly made it their home I believe the Durham police departments and its officers have been unfairly accused of being racist by a few people in the community And I believe those accusations are unfounded and will continue to be unfounded The local Durham lodge of 475 475 members in the state chapter Of 6100 members of the paternal order of police have voted to support the Durham police department During these challenging times for law enforcement across our country I ask that the community and the city council support the chief and the department And the officers who continue to work hard to do a good job under difficult conditions Thank you for your time and my prayers are with you as you serve a great city. Thank you You're welcome Stella Adams Mayor bail Mayor pro temp cold mcfadden city manager bonfield City manager, you do not know me because I have been Working nationally training civil rights investigators for the past seven years And so I don't know you and chief Lopez personally, but I'm back And justice begins at home I have a number of concerns about your report And I want to start by saying that I do not come here Um as someone who's a stranger to the Durham police department I worked in the department when it was getting its accreditation We were one of the first police departments in the State to be accredited and I worked on that helping to write those sops I served as the record supervisor For the second and third shifts So I know a little bit about data collection and I cannot believe That data collection has gone backwards in the past 20 years rather than forward So this um inability to collect data Analyze data without it waiting 60 days is ridiculous. It's a punch of the button That's all it was 20 years ago And we spent a lot of money buying computers since then to make incident reports data sensitive So 60 days to analyze data and then another 60 days to get it to you makes no sense but That's not my major concern My major concern is in hrc recommendation 9 10 11 relating to The section on determination of reasonable suspension suspicion And I strongly recommend the removal Of the language Whether the suspect is a stranger to the area When nearly 60 of your police force is from out of town How can they recognize a stranger in the area? This is a green light for racial profiling My children I live in a predominantly white neighborhood My sons would be suspicious in that neighborhood And this is the proximate cause of the death of trevon martin This should be removed from general order 4004 r-2 I also Want to say that hrc Recommendation 23 where they ask that a representative be placed from every Pack on the review board that needs to happen to ensure that all communities Are represented and the concerns of all communities are addressed. Thank you Chris christifany Chris tiffani durham durham resident. I prepared this table of contents Uh, I and others are working on comments Uh, to the report posted monday, but I and others including most of you couldn't even begin to read it until tuesday And it turns out to be a 131 page inaccessible pdf This table of contents Should make it easier for y'all to read and discuss the report But I must say now That complaints about the complaint system are basic You can't fix it if you can't if you keep it secret from those who can fix it From the desk officer telling me to take your complaint to the cia On up to la la lope as refusing to hear or take complaints Standing at the podium pointing at me calling me a malcontent telling stories One guy told me afterwards outside. It's a good thing what he said about you malcontent means you're not satisfied And you're trying to make things better. Thank you A well-run complaint system can help make things better But police cannot be trusted to take complaints about police For example, the most important complaint I heard here at city hall Was from parents who complained that they had repeatedly gone to the police department up the chain of command where it was verbal only You got to talk to the sergeant, but he's not here. You know how the run around goes So they came here and tried again And got a similar run around so no one filed their complaint that a cop pulled a gun On their eight-year-old retarded child. That was their term retarded the cprb recommendation number one Suggests posting the one-call number on all police cars Both the human relations commission and the cprb and others have had similar concerns and recommendations Make it true that one call does it all complainant should be allowed to use the one-call system It's neutral professional and safe and complaints there can be documented filed forwarded without employer contact information Then tracked so maybe complaints complaints won't get missing and complain. It's not targeted by properly Honestly, documenting complaints and following up in a professional manner You'll have information that could be used to improve recruiting selection training supervision and management Read cprb number one issues and analysis on page 115 of the report objections listed there are debatable Debate them and other complaint related bullet points on other pages mark anthony milson Thank you, mr. Mayor and to members of the council to the city Manager my name is mark anthony middleton. I'm the senior pastor of the abundant hope christian church here in durham I'm also representing durham cant Here today, particularly the durham can clergy caucus who had the pleasure of being one of the groups I led the delegation and met with a city manager our city manager regarding this issue Durham can has been And will remain engaged with this issue Until it is substantively addressed We feel it's a direct threat to the fabric of our city and we have made it a priority We want to thank the honorable men and women of the durham police department that suit up every day And placed themselves between us and anarchy. We pastor you we marry you We bury you we bless your children you come and talk to us when you had a stressful day at work We too support the police department But we have an issue We thank the city manager for his good faith engagement and hard work Your report was long anticipated and moves us in the right direction But we need to go further Councilman brown you once said that if there's one case of racial profiling that's one case too many We agree with you 40 percent of our population is not hallucinating And numbers don't lie The time for studying and deliberating is winding down and we are calling on this city council to do What we have placed our sacred trust in you to do And to act Uh durham can is greatly concerned about written consent being held hostage by situational control This is the situation that needs to be controlled Every durham citizen's constitutional rights ought to be be protected We ought not compromise or skimp when it comes to that and we aren't doing black people a favor I dare say that if our white fellow citizens were subject to these statistics No one would be discussing the challenges a piece of paper would present to situational control This is the united states of america It's supposed to be difficult to stop and search and detain people We designed it that way We designed it that way If it's too hard for Our officers to issue a piece of paper and by the way when I was a younger man I used to get tickets the cops would always walk away from my car to go write the ticket And bring it back It's not supposed to be easy It's in our dna to hold situational control in tension with our sacred and non-negotiable constitutional rights We are calling on this city council to muster up the political will to erase this blemish on our brand of our great city And let us model for the nation what a truly great and just metropolis looks like Adopt the recommendations go further and let's get back to the work of building our great city. Thank you Thank you. Next is mike evans mayor mayor pro tem city council My name is mike evans. I'm a retired master officer during police department where I served 28 and a half years. I wanted to consent continue to serve the citizens of Durham So I joined the police department reserve police unit where I've been officer the last four years I served citizens now for free I also serve as a president of the local fraternal police at Durham County Lodge number two I'm here today to express the support of lodge number two for the Durham police department and police chief jose Lopez In my 30 plus years as a Durham officer. I have served under the command of six police chiefs Chief Lopez is very professional very fair impartial to officers under his command as many chiefs before him We have read the report comprised by city manager tom bonfield and we concur with the results of the report with the implementation of manager bonfield's findings and policies And with the policy provisions that Durham police department has already begun to implement It should put to rest many of the concerns the city council is trying to address We agree with the racial disparities and think it should be looked into However, we do think need to be looked into on a case-by-case basis in closing mayor Mayor pro tem city council We asked to adopt manager bonfield's report and continue to support the police department chief jose Lopez And officers who continue to put their lives in harm's way work hard every day doing a great job under difficult conditions In order to keep good things happening in Durham. Thank you Welcome jesse gipson Thank you, mr. Mayor and council for the opportunity to speak to you today I have the following statement. Mr. Bonfield's public statement that he did not see a need for psychological evaluation of new police recruits Uh, I sent the mayor and several council members a copy of an article which purports That close to 90 of the police departments across the nation Use some sort of psychological evaluation of testing as a part of their recruitment of new officers too I also sent you copies of a psychological inventory or tool Which measures fitness for continued tenure duty Referred to his ffd, which is administered to officers and supervisors from time to time It is also used when they show signs of undue stress and de-stress The tool is currently being used in states such as new jersey and other cities There's a need to be Uh in his report There's a need there are needs that need to be addressed in the report that address the human relations recommendations For changes in the composition structure and functions of the derm civilian Uh police review board as it stands now the manager report in its current form Constitutes the game which some of us used to learn as children called dodge ball And number five while the majority of our officers serve with integrity and commitment That clearly may be a few who need help or counseling to avoid the potential for further And continued racial profiling Or god forbid a Ferguson, Missouri or beaver falls, ohio Incidents of black men walking where excessive deadly force was used Uh in terms of the whole scenario The civilian review board as is presently constituted Uh and without changes is pretty much the proverbial fox continuing to be in charge of the henhouse. Thank you You're welcome I recognize the city manager for the problem. I apologize, mr. Mayor I just want to be sure that I know the council is aware of this But anybody who has a question refer to hr 5 all of the background material in the response to correct the inaccuracy that the mr. Gibson just indicated about that issue Well, I mean the the the facts are that we already do psychological evaluations for new recruits We already do of psychological evaluations for stressful situations critical incident It's all outlined there all of the information is there Including a collection of the consistency of both the practice and the the tools with peer cities Recognize our rolling state Good afternoon. Mr. Mayor mayor pro tem steamed council members and City manager and in particular want to recognize and commend Mr. Bondfield and his staff for some Herculean work that they've done For the openness and candor On transparency with which they have undertaken this assignment And moving forward. My name is rolling state and I've resided 5005 Kettle Creek road Durham, North Carolina I'm the first vice president of the Durham branch NAACP Which organization also is a proud stands proudly with the fade coalition With the eyes of the nation turned to Ferguson, Missouri City split along it seems a city whose citizens blood is literally spilled on the street by police officers to want to protect City where hate and fear and mistrust currently trump dialogue Transparency and empathy we here in Durham, North Carolina Can take some satisfaction and a knowledge that the interests from all sides are engaged in dialogue That we are recognizing the need for transparency and are recognizing the need for empathy These are all things that are addressed in the city manager's report His recommendations are good first steps, but they are not a journey complete We are all here All of us Have an interest in repairing and improving the social contract between our community and the police department the city manager recommendations include an improved consent search form one that requires written or Recorded consent for all home and premises and investigative searches as well as searches conducted by the heat team members However, it does not require Written written consent for vehicular searches conducted by patrol officers And this is where the vast number of these citizen police officer interactions occur The policy changes around searches are positive. They are definitely movements in the right direction The recommended data review process will be one of the strongest such policies in the state But this is in and of itself not enough to bring about the sort of changes We are looking for universally to restore all segments of our community's confidence in our police department One reason why is because the report opposes giving the citizen police review board investigative authority This we say again is another necessary step in the journey However, it does support a number of changes designed to make it easier to file complaints and to submit evidence While the report acknowledges the huge discrepancies Racial disparities in marijuana enforcement It recommends giving the Durham PD until january 1st to produce a report explaining why they seemed to only arrest black folk Literally 86 percent out of 40 percent demographic We are hard pressed to see how this would do anything to stop the ongoing racial discrimination in law enforcement This report would not exist except for the mayor having directed the commission We appreciate it one on at a time if you could leave your and I appreciate that. Thank you. And thank you again. Thank you Jackie wax staff Mr. Mayor city council members I'm not here to bash the police department because my brother Lovingly served in this city for years and is now the chief of police So I know law enforcement and I know what they have to go through But I am here to tell you that I have some serious concerns about your recommendations. Mr. Manager Oh, first of all, let me read something to you so that we can be clear and not forget Hey zoos worth this Jose compass Derek walker This is for you. Mr. Manager if Our police force And their best practices and you said it today with some of the best in the state Then why has Durham had so many unexplained murders at the hands of the police department The nationally recognized police department in Durham. That's my first question The citizens of Durham are not asking this body and you to do anything Beyond what you have been put here to do I know it's hard for elected officials to step off of the podium as overseers and step back into the citizenship as The servants of this population because we elect you and we put you there and you become the employees of the citizens So it's hard for you to step down and do the right thing But you need to do the right thing now when I read this report I was disgusted with the recommendations because when I looked at what was brought before you for the last couple of months from our witnesses accounts of Arrestment racial profiling and all of the above And these were not reports that were brought in here by some single individual That wrote down some stuff when I got a few reports and brought them in these were our witnesses This was testimonies and then I read your response about that We need to do certain things to protect the police officers from frivolous frivolous complaints That let me to believe that in my opinion and I'm not speaking for anybody else's opinion But my opinion that you believe that most of those complaints If not all of them that came before this body were frivolous They had no merit and that is not true One thing that you said in your report that may be that I agree with Low-level drug enforcement marijuana should not be at the rate It is when it comes to black people being arrested for because I can guarantee you if you start drug testing elected officials All across the board I guarantee you that something might drop out in that cup that you don't want to see trust and believe And we have a policy in the city where you have you can randomly test any employee at any time I think that elected officials should set the standard randomly test yourself sometime And so that we can be clear what we're dealing with when we come up here and try to speak to you So for me, I have a lot of other concerns, but I don't have enough time to get to him, but we really need to Scrap that report recommendation and start all over again because it did not work Thank you, uh, Nancy wilson Nancy wilson Good afternoon. Um, first thing mr. Mayor. There's a young man who tried to sign up to speak He didn't understand the protocol. He thought I signed him up I signed up for him And um, he was told no because he it happened after you Said I have 16. I'm just asking. Is he still present? Yeah, he's still here. All right, if he can go sign up now I appreciate it. Thank you Um, so the first thing I want to do Before I run out of time is extend an invitation to you all In part of the recommendations that we've been talking about in the fade coalition We talked about the lead program that's happening in seattle And folks in fade have secured some funds to take a group of people from durham To seattle to speak directly to the people who are running the lead program So I am on camera inviting, uh, mr. Mayor, mr. City manager There's a few council members that we're talking about you'll get formal invitations next week And all of the people that the city manager Talked about that need to be a part of this conversation from the sheriff's department to the da's office We'd like you all to take a trip with us to seattle so that we can have a conversation about how this pro how The the l l e p and some of the other things that they're doing in seattle around racial disparities is working So I hope you'll accept our invitation Um beyond that mr. Mayor, I want to say I want to remind you that In september you talked about being committed to this process and I appreciate everything that you've been doing And I hope that you continue to stay engaged I would ask you to meet with some of these young men who have some really deep stories to tell you The harm that's happened here that continues to happen with racial profiling and police brutality is very real We can't expect our black men to lead families when they are being broken Constantly by being harassed and oppressed and that's a reality and that's a reality across the country We're not Being specific about what's happening in Durham, but we know it's across the country We see what's happening in Missouri right now And so these these stories need to be lifted up these these men and women need to be talked to directly They need to be part of the solution They have been a part of the process that we've been doing with the fade coalition But you actually need to speak with them more directly. So I would ask you to do that um With regards to the police department Putting their lives on the line every day. Mr. Schull What I would say to you is that every 28 hours a black man is killed in this country So when my son walks out of the door, he puts his life on the line every day, too And as far as needing to do some more research Which is preposterous to me since the hrc did exactly what they were asked to do I'll give you this research Michael brown Trayvon martin Jonathan ferrell Renisha McBride Jordan Davis Sean bell Amadou Diallo Oscar Grant Derek Walker Jose Ocampo Jesus Huerta All unarmed all killed by law enforcement. We're talking about our lives here. Please pay attention Thank you on the call of stanley I'd like to appreciate y'all have me here today You know Uh in 92 I went in the United States Marine Corps. I served four years from a country and whatnot I put my life on the line, you know, for everybody to live free Be happy 96 I became a correction officer thought I was going Help, you know, people get right and stuff and then here come Durham police department Degrade my character with all these false accusations You know, and uh, I'm just here to say that it's detrimental, you know, I hate going home You know, they arrest me send me to jail and stuff. I got to get out go home tell my daughter You know, she asked me how you how you day go daddy? And I got to tell it. Well, it didn't go so good today day You know, and uh, you know, it was real detrimental. You know, I used to work for the city You know, we got diversity issues and and and there's a A list of things that the city supposed to stand by You know for for all the citizens, you know, the citizens of the city Y'all y'all supposed to stand by the same rules diversity and fairness and you know, they posted up around somewhere I've seen them. But the thing is is that um, you know, who's doing their job? Who's doing their job? I heard him talk about the safety of the offices, you know, who's in the service when I was in the service, you know You know, there is the mission was different. They're supposed to be protecting me They're supposed to be protecting them You know, not I'm scared. I'm scared to do my job. So I'm gonna shoot first or I'm gonna choke somebody You know, uh, it's just uh, it's overwhelming Especially, you know, this doesn't happen to me twice in the past two years, you know getting slammed on the ground Uh scarred up You know, it's uh, it's depressing It's depressing and what made it so bad. I came here. I thought you were gonna say something I thought you were gonna say something positive that was going to actually help and actually, you know, up left some some spirits And I came in here, you know, I heard a little report Come here and you know, you support your police officers, which is good, you know I got, you know, police officer took me to go get some gas one day. I was happy. I don't know what You know, I'm saying but then uh, you know for for For it for it seems like to me for you not to want to talk about it directly means you don't want to admit that It is a problem You don't and if you don't want to admit the problem we can't never fix the problem We can't never fix the problem and it's just detrimental to everybody, you know, so, you know, I heard Uh, I think it was mr. Shuler there. I heard him say something mr. Bank about, you know, it's probably some uh, some legality So you got to watch what you want to say Watch what you want to say. What about what I want to say? What about what these people want to say or anybody else, you know, and have meaning to it have meaning to, you know, uh, You know, actually, uh officer Tigwell officer Shuler officer Beck These guys beat me up for no reason And you know, I ain't ain't y'all want to come tell me call me in to tell me nothing about to talk to me Thank you call us. Thank you No, no, thank you. Thank all of you. Thank y'all too Phil see it sip Good afternoon council mayor bell and city manager palm field My name is Phil side. I'm the vice chair of the human relations commission And i'm here today to represent the commission We at the human relations commission would like to take some time to read reread and digest the executive summary put forth by the city manager After the human relations commission has had a chance to meet as a body which will happen on september 2nd We may want to formally respond to the summary if it is the will of the body of the the commission I personally would like to thank the city leadership and staff for their willingness to address the uh, this complicated These complicated issues In such an open and public manner These these types of open deliberations with community involvement are what truly makes uh, durham such a great city to live work and raise a family in I also wanted to let you guys know that uh, if you have any uh questions from the human relations commission as far as context Or meaning for some of our recommendations. You can uh, you can contact me or the chairman ricky hart, uh through the Nis department. Thank you so much. Thank you Chris ruster custer custer Sorry about that Good afternoon My name is chris custer. I live in durham. I've been in north carolina for over 25 years And much of it in durham Um, I left an article with the city clerk for you all I hope you'll make copies of it and uh each and every one of you read it completely Um, I think it's absolutely vital that durham not just consider But get body cameras I read a stunning statistic. I'm going to read a few things out of this article for you just some important highlights um, getting body cameras in california led to a 60 drop in uh police force Towards their citizens With complaints against police officers falling by almost 90 percent That is stunning When I read that I thought well This is an absolute to have however The importance of this article is to read More about this, um Because there's a downside to it as well Um, another good thing research has shown that police tend to be on their best behavior When they know they're being watched policing the police But just like other law enforcement tools videos from police cams can be subject to abuse If not carefully mitigated during police reform Um One of those abuses would be the la cops were caught disabling voice recording equipment Such as a tent antennas on about 50 squad cars Most of which were used to patrol the low income communities densely populated with people of color Even when uh police body cams were used departments frequently denied requests for video footage And so when there comes to technology there's um potential for abuse Uh, there's many more things in here, but the important thing is uh Oversight on this and who has the oversight oftentimes police have been unwilling to release the videos What good is it going to do when these cost three to four hundred dollars a piece? But I think um, we are at a point of a shift in in Durham that at least I notice As a middle aged white person if I do I know those of color in our community are feeling it beyond what I could ever know Thank you very much First I want to say thank you mayor for giving everyone the opportunity to speak today pro tem city council members and uh City manager bonfield, thank you for You and your staff taking the time to going through the human relations commission's report and coming back with your recommendations We also want to thank you and your staff for taking the time to meet with the Durham committee on affairs leadership from the Durham committee on affairs of black people Once again, my name is Omar Beasley. My address is 3204 skybrook lane. I'm a citizen of Durham county now according to the Durham police department's own figures 86 of those arrested for simple possession of marijuana Between january 2013 through july 2014 were african americans that's Of the 768 total people arrested for simple possession of marijuana 660 were african americans Also, the overall numbers of vehicle stops and searches just disproportionately targeted black men who represent Less than 15 percent of this population in Durham county Neither the police department nor the city manager have an explanation for this shocking disparity The Durham committee of the fairs of black people find us unacceptable in my opinion Given the department until january 1 2015 To doctor up some explanation Is laughable The city manager's response to the human relations commission report is encouraging in some respects But it does not go far enough in addressing the fundamental causes to this critical issue Which is racial profiling The Durham committee on affairs of black people would like for the city manager to include the written consent forms for all vehicle searches Councilman schull echo echoed your your concerns by indicating they would You guys would not alone solve the problem If the during if the Durham police department acted alone They do need cooperation from the sheriff's department the district attorney's office The judges as well as other law enforcement I believe the city manager isn't correcting your assessment, but you should take the lead In reshaping the direction of the police department For Durham by establishing a course of action for others to follow And get to the root of the problem and not simply kick this can down the road Discussions with some of these other agencies that you spoke of are underway and have taken place We can't wait for someone else to go first. We started here with you Let's get it done with you. Thank you My name is Umar Mohammed. I'm a resident of Durham I'm also an active participant with the fade coalition This is my first time of being in this building. Yet. This is my first time actually feeling like I have a voice because I'm talking to you face to face but in Back in september You you said that you was going to be more involved You said that you was you was going to be actively more involved in the discussion I just can't hear to ask you to keep your word Right now in our communities We're being targeted and it's not a secret It's not a secret I'm so so Tired and stressed about having to survive out here In the police department is a threat It's a threat I don't I wouldn't call them on my worst day They're a threat and that's how my peers in my community look at it as well I'm up here because I need the mayor and the council to be at the the table for the discussion We need to deliberate this as a whole. I'm from the community. I'm still in the community I'm asking y'all to come to the table so we can deliberate about this so you can see what's going on in our communities I ask that you take near Wilson mama Nia's invitation and go to seattle We have a huge problem in Durham and It makes me wonder if in Ferguson if if they would have bought their Their racial Issues to the table Would they be going through what they're going through right now? Would we be going through what we're going through right now? I don't need three minutes, but face to face. I'm asking you To keep your word. I'm asking all of you all to keep y'all word You said you was going to be more involved. We need to see you Thank you Let me first again appreciate all those that have taken the time to Come here this evening to share your car. I set some guidelines I really want to try to keep the guidelines in terms of the person that will be allowed to speak To to come here and share the comments that you've made I indicated from the outset that I had not read this report thoroughly and I had not but it doesn't mean I want because I will But the value of having comments such as I heard today tonight this evening Uh, it allows me to focus maybe on certain parts of the report that I might not have focused on Reading for the first time. So I for that. I appreciate what what you said To miss wilson. I meet people all across this community groups individuals City hall my office their homes their communities I don't have a problem with doing that. So if there are young people that want to meet with me All that I ask you to do is to call my office Scheduled and I'm available. I would prefer to meet with a lot rather than individuals, but I can do that So I don't have a problem with meeting the people But I Also reserve the right to make a final decision. It doesn't mean I'm going to agree with what's been said But I do listen. I listen well. So set up a meeting. I'll be happy to meet with whoever you want Just find the time and place and we we can do that This this report I can echo all the comments that my colleagues have made to the manager the staff to the police department Everybody's been involved in providing input into what we've got here this evening I take this area seriously my colleagues on this council take it very seriously In terms of staying involved that means different things to different people But I'm committed to trying to find a solution to the issues that have been raised here And I'm sure my colleagues on the council are also we aren't going to satisfy everyone We know that and you know that but it doesn't mean that we aren't trying And a derm is the place where I don't think there are very many cities that are transparent in terms of what we do and trying to find Answers and trying to allow persons to come and express their opinions. We don't always agree But we we we hear you and that's what we've done today and I can commit For my part that we're going to find a solution to this We're going to find a solution to this What I'm suggesting is that our next meeting which is the second of september It's a Tuesday. We normally meet on Monday. It's the second of september That this will be placed on a gba. That's a general business agreement The agenda general business agenda For the council to come back with whatever recommendations they may have for the city manager I'm not saying that that meeting it will be settled But I'm hoping that we can bring close some kind of conclusion acceptance on what the city manager has This is going to be an ongoing issue in terms of trying to find the solutions It's not going to happen overnight Even if we accepted everything that the manager Recommended accepted everything that you recommend. It's not going to fix the problem But it's something we've got to stay engaged with and I'm committed to staying engaged And I'm sure the council is committed to staying engaged to try and find a solution to the issues that brought this to our attention The racial profiling bit the marijuana Let me say this. I know what councilman shul has said. I've had conversations with the manager also I will be writing a letter To the district attorney's office The district court judge the shirts department the probation department and the mattress It's often office as well as the county manager and the city manager To sit down and have a discussion on how we can deal with this issue of Marijuana arrest and giving it whatever the prior to that you suggested We can't do this by ourselves and I think that's been really very clear unless we have the support of the sheriff The da's office the chief district court judge the mattresses office probation They've got to be at the table and i'm not just suggesting that we're going to have a wide public discussion about this I think if those people can come together in a way where they can have frank conversations We'll find out whether we can get to get this done or not So i'll be writing a letter in the next couple of days and we'll see where it goes with that Having said that i'm going to uh call the meeting to a close And we have to set the agenda for the work session and I can only ask that you state to them We do this in the public and it's not being done behind closed doors or anything like this It's going to be here at a public meeting that we continue this discussion So, um, mr. Maddox, can you uh, thank you, mr. Mayor The uh to set the agenda for the next for the council meeting we have on consent items 1 through 3 and 5 through 12 Gba is item 4. Thank you entertain the motion on It's been proper to move in second and it was moved by the mayor pro term the second by councilman cattati Who? Oh brown. Okay, so that's and you see that's why I have a problem trying to figure out who does the first and the second Motion made by the mayor pro tem second by councilman brown. Madam clerk. We open the vote On the consent agenda, okay. Yeah No, I Sorry, no, you didn't get it wrong. Um, we were just talking over here And I wonder if it'd be possible rather than putting this agenda item number four on gba at the september 2nd Council meeting can we bring it back to the work session on the fourth for a bigger discussion because Being part of my challenges I would rather go through this page by page and have a broader discussion And I don't know what we would do just on monday night. So that was a question The the purpose of the gba Bring it back to gba is that if in fact there's something that the council wants to say if you want to say You want to see that now or you want to care till the thursday we can do that I'm not suggesting that it be settled on on on twos. I'm just saying that it's a gba item We could have further discussion part of discussion could be that you move it to the work session So that's that's the purpose of having on gba Okay I'm listening. Yeah The only thing that I'll say is that Either on tuesday, we're going to Move it to the work session or have a lengthy discussion. So I mean those are the I may have something I want to say on twos I haven't said anything other than the fact I haven't read the report Okay, so I like to have that opportunity to do that Recognize councilman brown. Yeah, mr. Mayor is Are you planning or you think it's wise to have another? Public hearing on this issue another what another public hearing. No, this is not a public hearing good I need to read the votes. Oh, that's what I forgot about that for the uh Derm bicycle but that's pedestrian advisory commission. Uh, Emily eggy has received four votes and Kendra bridges has received Five votes and for the Durham city county environment affairs board Frank hon received seven votes. So what does that mean are they appointed or not? No, it's still it's going to be on consent agenda. Which one needs to be on consent agenda This is item one and two on your agenda today. Okay. Thank you I guess we back on set an agenda Okay There's an emotion a second and we didn't vote because there was a discussion I'm afraid to vote now Can you open the vote All the machines off, okay All the favorite emotion they take a CNI I those opposed the motion passes unanimously. Thank you Meetings adjourned