 Namaskaram! My greetings to all those who are joining the blessings by Param Pujya Sadguru from across the country. Our safai karmis, shakstha, satsagrahis and all those who are involved in providing a very clean and hygienic atmosphere in the cities, are all hearing Param Pujya Sadguru today, his inspirational speech. I had a great opportunity of attending inner engineering program in January 2018 at Coimbatore at Isha Foundation's headquarters. And from there on I have followed Sadguru through the app, through his books and various other places I have attended his programs. I have seen how many difficult and complex issues he makes it so simple, look so simple, whether it is personal, national or international. Today we are facing the greatest challenge of the century after the world war, that too which went was located only in few places. Today the whole world is facing the COVID-19 pandemic where so far almost 300,000 people have lost their lives. Almost 3 million people have been affected, directly affected by that. But in our country, under the leadership of honorable Prime Minister, we have addressed this major challenge in a very befitting way. Our casualties or the people who have been affected is far, far less than compared to our population. But still those who are directly serving the people in the wake of all the fear, whether it is the medical community, doctors, nurses and others who are serving directly to the patients or the security persons, or the Safai, Kermis, Shuksta warriors, they are directly facing people. When people in the complete lockdown, people are keeping at home, they are going and collecting municipal waste from each and every house including those who have been infected, who have been infected by the COVID. It is like a soldier on the battlefield, anytime he is expecting a bullet may pierce him, may take his life, yet he is fully determined to serve the nation, safety and security. So our Shuksta warriors, they are serving our people with that kind of determination. They are also human being like us, they also feel that kind of a fear, they fear they have to serve their families, yet they are working and doing their job. In fact, on the clarion call of honorable Prime Minister, on 15th August 2014 from the Red Fort rampart of the Red Fort, and later on 2nd October 2014 when the Shuksta Bharat mission was launched, we have travelled a great distance. Think of it, all the achievements we have done in the last six years with these Shuksta warriors, if that was not there, possibly this challenge would have turned into calamity. I recall, Parampush Satguru's words, challenging times are not necessarily a calamity. This is a challenging time, but our Shuksta warriors through their effort, when almost like 99% of our cities are open, defecation free, we are processing nearly 65% of the west. Anybody can go in any part of the country, any city and you can see the kind of difference which has made in the last five to six years. But we are yet to travel a long distance. We are facing the challenge of the COVID-19, but we will further be facing the challenge of making this country the dream of our honorable Prime Minister or our Mahatma Gandhi, father of the nation, that we should become completely clean, we can make our place completely clean. Even there, I would like, I will request, I will urge Satguru to give us his blessings. We are so fortunate that we have this sage of this century, he is going to talk to us and listening to him are lakhs of our Shuksta Karmis, Swachhagrahis, municipal workers, municipal commissioners and the chief activities, chairmen and the mayors of the corporations and the municipal bodies, officers who are working with the Shukta Bharat mission in the states, in the central government and all everybody who has in fact the Shukta, our self-help group workers, numbers is almost like 48 lakhs, we have been invited them also to listen to Satguru, listen to his discourse today. We have five of our municipal commissioners and our joint secretary who is the mission director. Here they will be asking certain questions from Satguru on behalf of our all Shuksta Bharat. They will, I mean, they are going to be representative of all these people. We also have recorded some questions from our Shukta Bharat from different parts which will be playing during the course. So let me first invite Satguru to start with us some blessings and then I will invite one by one, Sath municipal commissioner who are facing COVID-19 challenges in the most difficult ways. Over to Sathguru, please. Namaskaram to all of you. It's a great privilege for me to be able to addressing these... one of the most important aspects of essential services of keeping the nation clean and safe. This mission to create a Swachh Bharat is one of the most significant ones because without this a nation cannot move forward. It doesn't matter how our industries and businesses function which is important but without a clean nation, there is no health, there is no well-being and there is no attraction for anybody to want to come and live in this nation. There is no attraction for our own citizens to live in our cities and towns when basic cleanliness was the issue. I can see in the last four to five years time there is a significant change in the small towns and cities, even in the villages in Tamil Nadu, there is quite a significant change as to how clean they are compared to how they were just about five years ago. And my congratulations and thanks to all of you who are leading this mission at various levels and all the workers who are on the ground without their commitment, without their dedication and without their involvement, this just cannot happen. I'm glad to see that there is such a huge change in the way we are approaching cleanliness. And as you said, you quoted, challenging times need not necessarily become calamities. Challenging times are there. It is for us to turn it into calamity or to turn it into an opportunity to raise our capabilities, to raise our commitment, to raise inspiration in the country and above all to become stronger and better human beings, to handle life in a much better way than the way we are handling right now as a nation. So, this is a great privilege for me to be addressing all of you who are leaders of this mission and especially at times like this, cleanliness becomes of supreme importance and my congratulations and blessings to all those who are on the street doing the work. In many ways, risking infection themselves. I bow down to all of them. Whenever a human being starts doing something beyond one's own well-being, where he or she holds others' well-being above their own personal well-being, they become worship worthy. I am going to invite the erstwhile municipal commissioner of Indore, which was at the cleanest city in the country for three consecutive times. The fourth one, the result is still expected. The result is ready but we have not announced because of this COVID situation, we are going to announce very soon. With his work, I mean the kind of dedication with which he has been working in Indore, the government of Madhya Pradesh has recently shifted him from Indore to Ujjjain as district magistrate of Ujjjain. In fact, Indore has faced this pandemic in a worst possible way. There is a large number of people who have been impacted. So I would request Ashish Singh, the district magistrate of Ujjjain, erstwhile municipal commissioner of Indore, only a few days back to ask his first question. Thank you. Ashish. Namaskar sir. Namaskar sir. Namaskar sir. Thank you very much for giving me this opportunity. Sadhguru, I have just two questions for you. First, can we say that this present corona crisis is an opportunity for everyone to light up one's internal power to fight against any future crisis? And second, do you think that this present disaster is a path of new creation? Path of? I didn't understand the second question. I'm sorry. Sadhguru, my second question is that do you think that this present disaster is a path of new creation? Okay. Well, when challenging situations come, when difficult situations approach us, that is a time when human beings can rise to become much more than what they are, what they usually are. In times of comfort and well-being, unfortunately, a large percentage of humanity doesn't explore the full depth and dimension of who they are. But when they are pushed by challenging situations, they come out. This is not the way a society should be. When everything is well, we should do our best. But unfortunately, that's not been the way of human societies for a long time. Only when crisis comes, people stand up and do the best. If every moment of our life, if we did that, probably the crisis would not come or what is a crisis may just pass off as a small aberration in our lives. So this is the opportunity we have. Right now, will we turn this into a great calamity of our generation? Or will we make it pass as a small aberration which only strengthened us, which made us better human beings, which made us more caring for each other, closer to each other and above all to perform at a higher level in our life both internally and externally. This is an opportunity we have. As for as I am concerned, whether there is a pandemic or no pandemic, there is a crisis. Anybody who is not handling their life properly, they are going through crisis. Individuals, societies, nations are going through crisis depending upon how they handle it. So it is not necessarily because of a war or a pandemic or some other disaster that a crisis happens. When human beings don't function to their fullest capability, that itself is a crisis. So at a time like this, we're being tested whether we will be mediocre human beings or will we rise to our fullest possibilities. So I think this is our opportunity as a generation of people to stand up and show who we are because only in moments of challenging situations or moments of danger or moments when lives are threatened, who we are becomes very important. As Indians let's show who we really are, what are we made of, how much humanity do we have within us. This is the time and this is the best time to show that because this is the time it's most needed. People are living as if their love, their humanity and their compassion are limited communities and they will run out. If they express it too much, it will get over. There is no such danger. You can express it 24 hours of your life and do the best that you can, it will not get over. That is not even true with your body. Even this body, physical body which is a limited entity, the more you use it the better it becomes. That goes for your intelligence, that goes for your energy, that goes for your love, compassion. Everything that's valuable in human life gets better with use. So let's use it to the fullest. Whatever human potential we have, let's use it to the fullest and tide over this situation effortlessly. Thank you Satguru and thank you Assis for two questions. I think Satguru mentioned that this is a huge opportunity for all of us to realize and prove our best and I think this is what we will be doing that. Next I would like to invite Mr. Bachanati Pani who is the municipal commissioner of Surat. It is one of the smart cities and one of the cleanest cities in the country. It has been in the news for the wrong reasons and Mr. Pani has been dealing with it in a very nice manner. I mean thanks to the way he has used IT for tracking every impacted person and how to contain that. I will request Mr. Pani to ask his next question to Satguru. Mr. Pani. Thank you sir. Namaste Satguru Ji. I am Mr. Pani, municipal commissioner of Surat. In fact we are living in a very trying and testing time. Every day our municipal workers, health workers and police personnel and even corona positive case are finding stigma attached to them and they are being discriminated against by the societies, by other people who are living closely with them before but not anymore now. So my question to you would be how to change, convert from corona negative to life positive. How to convert this, how to bring positivity in our lives and make, ensure that everyone fills this world with positivity. In fact I am very inspired by your first answer that you are appealing all of us to rise to the occasion and perform our best. Now kindly tell us how to make this world a more positive place. Namaskaram to you. I know you have a difficult city to manage. I know from the days of you know a plague that happened in Surat to today what Surat has become is a phenomenal change. We congratulate you and your predecessors who made this happen. Thank you very much. Apart from that we need to be little sensitive about using these words like stigma or segregation because these are very negative words. Well we should not misunderstand distance as discrimination. Well when people see that somebody is a possible carrier because they are a medical personal or sanitation workers or whatever else. When people feel that somebody is out there and could be carrying virus naturally they would like to keep distance. We should not misunderstand this distancing as this extra distance that they want as discrimination or stigma. It is not a stigma. I think sanitation workers, doctors, nurses, the police are being appreciated and celebrated like never before in the history of this country if you ask me. Never before they've been so appreciated. For the first time people are bowing down to the police. They always thought police are there to harass them. Unfortunately this is a hangover from British era that if you see a policeman you think there is danger. Actually if you see a policeman you feel you must feel safe but unfortunately this British era thing about if you see a police uniform even though you are not a criminal you've not done anything wrong still you fear them because the impression and images that we have in our minds is police means they will come and beat you kind of thing. Even mothers when they want their children to eat well they say I will call the police because he will come and beat you. This kind of psyche has been there in the country. For the first time I am seeing people are in huge appreciation of sanitation workers, medical workers, the police personnel and all those who are out there on the street we normally ignore. Unfortunately people normally ignore these people. Whoever says namasaram to a sanitation worker who is cleaning the streets they think he is obstructing them by sweeping when they are supposed to do their morning walk or something like that. This is the first time in this country that people are appreciating them. This is wonderful and we must keep it up and rise it further because this appreciation is very needed if we really want to run this movement of Swachh Bharat into a successful conclusion. If we want this to happen to the entire nation not to selective cities it has to happen everywhere. Then it's very, very important that this appreciation from the citizenry is there only when appreciation comes. Then all this stuff that is being thrown on the street will stop and the work of the sanitary workers will become much, much simpler because even in a home only when you have somebody around you that matter to you that you appreciate and you love such a person is cleaning the house. Now when you eat something you're not going to throw it there. The most important aspect of Swachh Bharat is not cleaning. The most important aspect of Swachh Bharat is that we don't throw things around where they should not be. So that culture to come, this appreciation of the sanitary worker is most important. I think it's happening better than ever and we must further that, we must make the necessary communication how people are appreciating and why this is needed because without this you cannot make Swachh Bharat. How much ever you clean, when people are not conscious that they should not dirty the place, how to clean endlessly, how many hours of a day will you go on cleaning. What goes beyond that, what is cleaning must happen from the bins, not from the street. Why all the streets are strewn with everything and somebody has to come and clean. This is simply because we have no appreciation for those who clean. We think it's their business to clean. No, no, no, it is our business to keep this nation clean. That message can go very well now. At a time like this, a pandemic, this is the best time to get that Swachh Bharat message out. And again I will repeat, Swachh Bharat does not mean sanitary workers going and cleaning the street. Swachh Bharat means every citizen ensures that he does not throw things around. So with this appreciation levels, we must do this, do not focus on a few negative incidents here and there. They are there of course, in such a large country such things will be there. But it is very important, there is a very profound level of appreciation from the largest part of the citizens. And that must be propagated, not these negative things of stigma. Thanks a lot, Sadhguru. This is such a learning for us. We will take this message forward through this. Our next question comes from Delhi has got three municipal commissioners and one chairman of the NDMC. We have selected the one, I mean Delhi has got nearly 5000 corona infected persons identified and almost like 70, 80 deaths are there. So we have selected Dr. Dilraj Kaur, see the medical professional and see the municipal commissioner of East Delhi, which is the most backward area of the whole of Delhi and has been most impacted by this pandemic. Should I request Dilraj to raise her next question? Dilraj. Thank you so much, sir. Namaskar, Sadhguru. Namaskar. Sadhguru, this corona crisis, it is an unprecedented challenge for the entire mankind, at least for the existing generation. And in the absence of any specific treatment or vaccine, the situation becomes not only confusing but also frightening. I say frightening because it brings to fore the very fragility of human existence. Sadhguru, I want to seek your advice, your guidance as to how do we as frontline workers and also leaders preserve ourselves individually, maintain our inner calm, especially in the wake of such uncertainties and insecurities. And not get consumed by fear, anxiety or depression so that collectively we are able to contribute and put our best foot forward and contribute effectively to face this enormous challenge. Thank you. Well, as you already mentioned that we are beginning to realize how fragile is human life. And it is, virus or no virus, it is still fragile. So, one most important thing of living here is I'm not trying to philosophize, this is a fact that we are mortal creatures. Mortal creatures means we have come with a limited amount of time. We have a very limited amount of time to live here. Right now, the virus concern is this limited amount of time may be further cut short because of this virus that we are trying to find, fight that is perfectly fine. But virus or no virus, it is a limited amount of time. If only human beings were always conscious of this, they would organize their life in a completely different way than the way the society is going. The society and most human beings are going on as if they are eternal. They are immortal people. They have… they think other people die. No, no, no, you and me will die. We don't want to have untimely death. That's a different matter. But we are dying kind, all of us. So, this is being brought home in a very strong way. This is not a time to react into fearful and anxious ways. This is a tremendous opportunity for realization as to what is the nature of our existence here. Before we came here, countless number of people have existed, but they're all gone. None of them exist and no sign of them anywhere. Today it's ours, everything, this world, this city, this home, this family, this whatever else we think is ours, it's all ours. But we will be also gone and the next generation that lives here probably won't even remember us. Maybe a few people will be remembered, most will be forgotten. If I ask you to remember people who lived here on this planet just hundred years ago, how many people can you remember? How many names can you say? Maybe hundred names are the most. If I say five hundred years ago, not even five names, thousand years ago, not even three names. So, that is what it will be about you and me also. So, it is very important to realize that we are mortal in nature. So, this is not for one day, this is for always. This is not because there is virus around. Even when there is no virus around, everyday people are dying. Now, it is hastening that process, we are fighting that. If we understand this, this itself will bring us to a little bit of ease. Now, whatever our anxieties, our struggles are like this. See, we have a physiology, we have a body which we accumulated over a period of time and we have a psychological structure which we also accumulated over a period of time. Whatever we accumulate can be ours but cannot be us. I cannot say this clothing is me. Well, I can say it is mine but I cannot say this is me. Similarly, I cannot say this body is me. I can only say this is mine. Similarly, I can only say these thoughts and emotions are mine but it cannot be me. If this distance arises within you, between you and your body, between you and your mind, if a little bit of distance arises, all these problems are just gone, okay? There are only two kinds of sufferings in human life, physical suffering and mental suffering. Once there is a distance between you and your body and you and your psychological structure, this is the end of suffering. How can we do this? This is very simple. If you're willing to invest ten-fifteen minutes a day upon yourself, upon your own well-being, this can be done. This is being… millions of people around the world are doing this, it's being freely offered. It's on an app, Durga Shankarji was talking about the app. There is something called as Isha Kriya. Just invest twelve minutes a day upon this. I'm telling you it will change the fundamentals of who you are and it is free, everybody can do it. It's available in all languages. Even for your… those on the street who do this work every day, everybody can do it wherever they are. Initially they can do it by using their phone or whatever, using the app. After some time they can do it by themselves. Let us say fifteen days if you do it with the support of the voice, after that you can do it by yourself. So this is important. This is important for human life. Corona or no corona, this is important for us that we live a sensible life. To get our life into perspective, we must know what is the length and breadth of our life, isn't it? If we do not even understand the fundamental dimension of how much time and how much energy and how much space we have to live here, how will we create a life of any meaning or substance? So it is very important. This is not a time for anxiety. This is a time for realization. It's a wonderful time, if you look at it that way. There are hardships. There are economic hardships. There are risks to our life. There are risks to… especially if we have our parents or our grandparents, the aged people, there's a big risk to that. And also children are also below one year they're going into difficulties. For all of us there is risk. Health risks, economic risks, lifestyle… lifestyles may have to change. The very way we work may have to change. Businesses may go down. Businesses may go up. All kinds of things may happen. But right now we're using the word warrior. That means there is a war. There is no warrior without a war. But compared to a regular war, this is a good war because nobody is bombing our homes. Nobody is shooting at us. If we behave responsibly and sensibly and we act with a certain sense of commitment to our own well-being and everybody's well-being, this can be easily handled. When we go back home, our home is not bombed out. This is a very good war compared to… people are comparing this to World War II. That is because they have not been there. They don't know what it means. They do not know what it means. When you go out, by the time you come back, your home and your family has evaporated, they do not know what it means. We are calling it a war because we want to handle it on a war footing. That's it. But let's not mistake that it's a war in that sense. So if this is a war and this is the only war we will face in this generation, I think it's a great blessing that it is not other kinds of war. Because our country might have been through a few wars, four wars we have been through. And of course, a daily low-intensity war is going on all the time. But fortunately for us, our soldiers are keeping the war only at our borders. We have never faced war in Coimbatore or in Indore or somewhere else. No war has happened in the last 150 years probably. So we have not seen a war. Our wars have been fought by our brave soldiers and kept at the very borders of our nation, never come into our country. So this corona or this virus war that we have to fight, this is a soft war. Let's fight it very easy. This is, if I say this, I know many people will be insulted. But I want to say this, it's very easy if only all of us operate in a responsible manner because this is not coming to us through rats or mosquitoes or some other way. This, the basic transportation for the virus is a human being. If you and me as a human being behave responsibly, it's finished. We went into lockdown and lockdown and lockdown. Third, this is simply because people are not doing the lockdown absolutely. If fifteen days every one of us are absolutely genuinely locked down, it's finished. But as human beings we are not behaving responsibly and that has been our problem. Right now our war is not with the virus. Our war is with our own compulsions, our own lack of discipline, our own lack of focus and our own lack of interest in our own well-being and our nation. That is a real war. Guru, just being in company of yours is so transforming. I learned Sambhavi Kriya at Isha Foundation at Quartan. And I still do it regularly every day. And I understand that how much difference it makes to the life. I think all our Shrista warriors are noting this from you now. Through the app you have made it so simple. It is, its outreach has gone to millions and very, very large population. Thanks a lot for providing that kind of assistance. I would request after Dr. Dilraj Kaur, there is a video recorded by one of the Shrista warriors from Ghaziabad a next door city in Uttar Pradesh. I'll request the team to kindly run that video and you would like to give your reaction to the Shrista warriors all across the country. Thank you. Greetings, Guruji. I am Rajesh. I am from Gujarat, Gujarat, Gujarat. And right now I am going to clean every day with my friends and officials. Because of which we are feeling very scared. And we are also feeling scared. Our family is living in fear. And we have no choice but to free ourselves from this fear. My Namaskaram, Mr. Rajesh. I am very sorry because I am not able to answer the question in Hindi. Our Hindi is very weak. So somebody will translate it for you. Well, you need to understand this. This is a significant aspect that in the making of this nation where Mahatma Gandhi played a significant role, one thing that he always tried to demonstrate is no work is higher low. And probably this is the only father of nation who's been seen, at least been photographed, maybe others have also done. But he is the only one photographed that sweeping with a broom. I don't think anybody else has been caught with that as a father of the nation. So in many ways we have not seen which is high and which is low. It is very important for everybody to understand this. This virus time is a good time to communicate this message that who is important, who is not important. That is not the way to look at a society. The moment you think one thing is more important than the other, you will lose all perspective of how to conduct this life. It is very, very important to communicate to the entire country that sweeping the street, keeping it clean is as important as keeping your temple clean. As important as somebody going to the office, as important as a prime minister's job, I'm saying. Because this, that part of the country that you are sweeping right now to keep it well is your business. I am keeping my part of it clean. You're keeping your part of it clean. Somebody is doing something else. There is no one work which is more important than the other. We must realize this. And whatever little stigma that we're talking about, I think it is all of you leaders are here of this group and we must communicate if you want me to do something for you, a video or something about how significant this is that as workers on the street, what they are doing is a significant part of nation building. This message must go out to the country. I think the nation is most receptive right now. Normally they have no ears for such things. Right now they're willing to listen to anything that is concerned with virus and how virus can be contained. The citizenry in the country is willing to listen. This is the best way to communicate. I congratulate and my blessings to you Rajesh for whatever work you're doing. Thanks a lot, Sadhguru. In fact, a short video from you on this would be a great thing which you would like to play in our different social media through different other media. That will be a great thing from you. And before I ask my next panelist, I will invite another Swaksta Warir whose question has been recorded from Bangalore. Bangalore again has been impacted by COVID in a big way. Can I request the administrative team to run the video? Before I request you to speak, I will request Arun Prakash who is the municipal commissioner of Agra. Agra is a tourist city known for great Taj Mahal. In fact, I had great privilege of being the district magistrate for two years in the year 96 to 98. And now it is much is news because of the COVID cases, large number of cases there. Can I request Arun Prakash to raise his questions? Respected Sadhguru Ji, Myself Arun Prakash, municipal commissioner of Agra. In Agra, we have more than 5000 sanitary workers who are involved in various activities like fogging, mopping, sanitization, especially in the sensitive hotspot areas. Sadhguru Ji, we would need your guidance on how these workers would be motivated and create a feeling in them as change agents so that they overcome the fear they have in their minds of getting infected. One important thing I think has been largely communicated but still it might not have reached many people. This is not that kind of an infection that you get from what you eat or whatever. It's mainly through respiratory discipline. So wearing masks when they go out and staying away from people, these are etiquettes which have always been there in rural India that, you know, at least in southern India it's still there. When you want to speak to somebody, people hold their hand like this and speak, not because of the virus, always. When you want to speak something close to somebody, you don't... I'm sorry, there was a little disconnect. So I think communicating to all the workers on the street very clearly in simple language that how an infection happens, it is not that just because you're cleaning the street, you will get the infection around the hospitals, around infected people, how to behave, what to do. I think if you educate them in this sense, rather than creating a simple general fear that it's somewhere in the air and it'll get you, it's not like that. You have to be around an infected person or around hospitals and those kind of areas. Around that, definitely we must take care and the sanitation workers must get the necessary gear. I think if they wear a protective gear itself, they will feel far more confident that it is not happening to them. Otherwise these simple people who are working on the streets generally naturally there will be a certain amount of fear. I think all of you who are in leadership and the state governments should ensure that they are sufficiently protected because the day when already it is happening with the medical professionals, doctors, nurses, sanitation workers, police, when the number of infections in this category of people increases, their enthusiasm will decrease. As their enthusiasm decreases, nation will be put to greater and greater risk. This must be clearly understood. It's very important medical personnel and the police and the sanitation workers are fully protected because there have been some ugly incidents of... we heard, I don't know in which city somewhere around Delhi I think that one sanitation worker was made to drink the disinfectant and he... I don't know whether he died or he was seriously ill, something like this happened. So such ugly things have happened. So it's very, very important that these people are given confidence and given support if necessary. Protection wherever it is necessary because if the medical personnel, the police and the sanitation workers become less enthusiastic, then nation is at a great risk. This must be understood by everybody. Thank you, Sadhguru. And thank you, Arun. Now I'm inviting the municipal commissioner of Madurai, the temple city of Tamil Nadu to raise his next question. Mr. Vashikanth. Good afternoon and namaskar to Swamiji. I feel really very blessed to be here because Sathruji this good afternoon session. My question is this, in Sathruji's opinion, what are the lessons that humanity can learn from COVID-19 situation? Well, as we said earlier, the most important lesson is... this we shouldn't have waited for COVID to come but the most important lesson to understand is all of us are on a limited lease of time. How we manage this time and the little energy that we have will decide how profound is our experience of life and how impactful we are in the world. These are the only two things you can do. The only two things you can do is just this, profoundness of your experience and impact in the world. This is all, all activity is just this. You close your eyes, this is what it is about. You live with your family, this is what it is about. You go to the cinema, this is what it is about. Or you go and work in the world, this is what it is about. Profoundness of your experience and how profoundly or how impactful you are in the world. So these two things must be managed. This is when human life is worthwhile and fulfilling because people are not conscious that it's a limited amount of time. People are just going about as if they're going to live forever. Even now you see a little relaxation happened and these liquor shops opened and everybody is going crazy. So you can imagine what they were doing all these days. They were sitting at home and being frustrated, when will this liquor be available? The moment it happens, they forgot everything and they're piling up on each other. Without any sense, all we have done these six weeks of being locked up, the entire nation, risking the country's economy. It is a huge social risk, it's a political risk. In every way, it's a risk for the nation locking up a nation. We did that thinking we will beat the virus. But people who are living in certain states of compulsiveness, they have no care or concern about this. The moment the liquor shop opens, everybody piles up. So what is the use of your lockdown? What is the use of bringing our own economy down if people are… this is the level of compulsiveness that we have. So this is something that we have to learn that the most important thing that we have to overcome is our own physiological and psychological compulsions. Only then you live free. As you know in this culture, the most fundamental goal of our life is always mukti. Mukti does not mean going away somewhere. Here, how free are you? How liberated are you as you sit here? In your mind, in your body, in your consciousness, how free are you? This freedom you should work for, they gave you enough time. This is a government introduced spiritual process for you. Six weeks all by yourself, you should have closed your eyes and seen and what you can do about yourself, how you can become free. Because compulsiveness is the basis of all bondage that you have. You are always compulsive about something in body or in mind. Your compulsive nature of your body, mind and emotions is the basis of all the troubles and struggles that you are having in your life. If you know how to be free from your own physiological and psychological compulsions, it is absolute freedom. Still, there is some more lockdown period. I hope everybody makes use of it. Those who want to be drunk and unconscious, unfortunate, but what to do with them. But at least others who are sober, they must make use of this time to see that we are free from our compulsions, because this is a little bit of time that we have. Very little time. For what potential the human being carries, the time that is given to us is very, very small. Only miserable people feel it's too long a life. If you are... if you are an experience of life is profound and in the world you are impactful, what you want to do with this life and how much time you are given is extremely small amount of time. In this, let it not go waste, because that's all we have. Whether you like it or you don't like it, our time is sticking away. Virus or no virus. Time is sticking away. Where are we going? As we sit here, we may think of many things. As far as our body is concerned, it's going straight to the grave, nowhere else, not going anywhere else, straight down there. So this little time that we have as life, because before we were born, we did not exist. And after we are dead, after a few years, we will not exist. Our existence is right now. This is the most significant time in our existence, because we are here, alive, conscious with a discerning mind. Now if we do not make use of this, the very phenomenon of life is gone waste upon us. Thank you very much, Sadhguru. One word which sums up is the sanjum. If we do the sanjum, I think, rest all is I will be taken care of. I'll now request our mission director, the joint secretary, Mr. Vinod Kumar Jindal, to ask his next question. He has been leading the program across the nation, and even during these period of the lockdown. In fact, continuously, we have been through the video conference discussing with all the municipal officers and the state government officers and trying to follow so that we make the best use of this time for making our cities clean and hygienic. Vinod Kumar Jindal. Namaste, Guruji. Namaste. The nature has provided a bountiful resource in us, food, air, air, water. But what we do? And the nature also regenerates it when we give it back by disintegrating into and converting into resources. What the nature needs from us? Just whatever after enjoying the gifts it has given to us, give back in its original form, not mixed with the man-made chemicals, artifices. See, if we do not do, the nature will fury in the form of climate change, in the form of pollution leading to diseases, leading to disasters. The government does its own work. Work policies, implement Fatshwara missions, motivate the people so that they can manage their segment. As you have already told, it is our business to manage our own waste. But it has been a challenging work. Sir, do you seek your guidance how we can motivate the people to segregate the wet waste that is the nature waste from the man-made waste to chemical waste so that all the waste can be managed and can be converted into resources? See, the problem of pollution in the country and in the world has reached a certain proportion. As we know, millions of tons of plastic in the oceans, chemicals in the rivers and ponds, everywhere. Well, I think the approach has changed now. This was also part of the recommendations in the Rally for Rivers. And now in the last four to five years significant changes happened in the policy. And for it to implement in a country like this where resource is always a challenge happens at a certain pace that all of us may leave all of us a little impatient but that's the level of resource we have. But one significant aspect I would like to say because all of you are managing cities and I'm sure in most cities this is already true but in many it is not yet, is see our cities except a few cities where a handful of cities rest have all grown over hundreds of years. So naturally they're haphazard and really not really planned properly. They're just grown according to people's needs. So because of this sanitation is one huge challenge to even to lay a new pipe is a big big problem because you have to go through some home you have to demolish something and they will go to court and it's an endless process all of you know this very well. So in this I would like to separate this into you separated into wet waste and man-made waste that is a thing that needs to happen but the most significant thing is industrial waste and domestic waste. This separation must happen clearly. Right now for many polluting industries we've been there has been a law in the country that they must set up their own treatment plants. This is the wrong way to do it that has been our biggest mistake because if you ask a polluting industry to set up its own treatment plant that treatment plant generally works only on the inspection day. Other days they keep it off because there's a cost to it. So it's most important that a treatment industry grows in such a way that your effluent is my business is my raw material. Then I will make sure my raw material is always flowing and my business is to treat. You can make treatment industry into a very lucrative industry polluting industries should not treat their own effluent. It is very important another industry which manages just the treatment must run this then only it'll be more efficient. So doing this for industries is much simpler because we can do certain things with businesses but doing the domestic waste is much more difficult because it's built haphazardly and in thousand different places sewage is entering a big city means at least a thousand different places sewage is entering a river or ocean. So how to control this is not a easy thing it needs a whole level of structural change with the citizens themselves are not ready for. So that is a much more challenging part for this one way to do it is there must be a charge for the sewage as there is water and electricity is being charged how many units of water electricity you use there is a charge how many units of sewage you discharge also there must be a charge. This right now may look strange but this has to happen otherwise you don't have the money to do the treatment. Domestic sewage must be treated by the municipality because individual houses cannot do it but industrial sewage must be treated by treatment industries for domestic sewage also you can bring that industry but still unless the domestic users pay for it it will not happen that's one thing about separating plastics and other things from wet waste this is important this can only happen with awareness to reach that awareness to every citizen in such a large and diverse country of various levels of economic strata in the country it is easier said than done it is beginning to happen in most of the educated homes in apartments everywhere it's beginning to happen but still across the country to make it happen still it is a challenge one simple way of doing it is to bring a kind of an incentive like for example we were all growing up even though we are from a reasonably well to do families in spite of that all the old newspapers magazines everything properly folded and kept once in a way that guy comes and this is for the woman folk in the house this is their pocket money kind of thing and they will sit there and measure this you know sit because I've been through this process sit there and way this that guy wants to take one extra newspaper they'll say no no no and they weigh a kilogram of the newspaper and get so much money and then they will say I've got some twine you know those days all the groceries everything will be with what you say this jute jute ropes or jute threads they would have wound all of that and kept they will bring that and weigh that also and sell it so there must be some kind of an incentive for all this man-made waste if you create an incentive I think a whole lot of people put it out for sale and once there is a little bit of income right now in India fortunately or unfortunately over ninety-three percent of the plastic bottles in India get recycled not because we are handling it in a very good way simply because we are throwing it wherever there are rag pickers and others who little children and women going and picking these things from everywhere because there is a income in that because there is an income ninety-three ninety-three percent of the plastic bottles are recycled which is among the highest in the world this is not because of good management because of low economic levels of the people they are picking up every little bit that is anywhere any plastic they see they pick it up and now they sell it somewhere so this could happen in the domestic scene itself that every home whatever plastics and other things they get if it was out for sale and there was a way in the market place or through the online you could sell I have so many so many kilograms of plastic means somebody comes and picks it up if there is an economic value to it you will solve it otherwise just by awareness getting it there in a country like this where there are different levels of educational strata different levels of awareness strata different economic strata which are widely different making that awareness across the population is a challenge Guru we have all the panelists ask their questions so let me towards then let me ask you let me talk to that Bangalore lady what is your message to the our corona warriors I would like to talk to that Bangalore lady who send the video because he is the only one I can answer in her language ha ha ha ha ha ha Namaskaram aunty Namaskaram aunty Namaskaram aunty Namaskaram aunty Namaskaram aunty Namaskaram aunty Namaskaram aunty Namaskaram aunty Namaskaram aunty Namaskaram aunty Namaskaram aunty Namaskaram aunty Namaskaram aunty Namaskaram aunty Namaskaram aunty Namaskaram aunty What is your message to all our Suxtaparias, one in the context of this Corona, which is going to be only for the time being a very short phenomenon, where a lot of learning we have done from you and a lot to do, but mainly to make this country completely clean. That is the vision of Honorable Prime Minister that it should become completely clean. How to take this forward that we make our country, any part of the country you go, any city you go, at that city is as clean as city of Indore or city of Surat as it's like this. So your message, sir. As I said earlier, it's very important, I… I don't know if this is possible, please you… maybe state governments have to take individual decisions. All the Swachhata people that you know, the people who work on the ground, they must be seen with a prominent kind of uniform which… which is dignified and looks up well and there is also a slogan, calling for people's involvement in this. Keeping the city clean, sitting the… keeping the country clean is not just the job of the person who cleans it, but it is the job of every citizen who uses that street. First of all, it's a shame that it's dirty and somebody has to clean it. It is if we are responsible citizens, if we have any sense of humanity that we are not going to live… live like animals in this country, if we want to live like human beings, it is important that every citizen understands keeping the street clean, city clean, country clean is not the work of people who clean or municipality or whoever, yes they have to do their work, but the important thing is every citizen must participate. If we have a kind of a slogan, drawing everybody's attention that you are also a Swachhata warrior, not just me kind of slogan week, if you want we can work on it and send it to you. I think it will be very important because without citizen's participation, how much will you clean? Just… just try to understand this, if there are five people in a family, one person is a cleaning person, if the other four people are not conscious about keeping the house clean, they don't value what has been cleaned just now. If you clean it and go, somebody will throw something whenever they feel like it. How will it ever become clean, all it will lead to is frustration of those who are cleaning and slowly. They say, anyway these people want to live dirty, so why should we do it kind of frustration. This should not… this need not be always driven by the prime minister. This should be driven by the people. I think that is prime minister's intention also that people should take it up and make it happen. People does not mean those who are working on the street. People mean citizens. Everybody who uses the street must become conscious and must become a partner in keeping the city clean. So in residential areas, very easily you can bring partnership with the residents. We can call for meetings and make them partners in this cleanliness business. They will participate. But in general streets, in commercial streets also we can bring participation. If some of them are cleaning, others will spend time talking to the citizens. It will be much more clean than simply cleaning. Broom is not the only way to clean. Just by talking to people, making them conscious on a daily basis, if we train these Swachita warriors to do that, that will make the streets much more clean than the brooms and other instruments that we have. Well, that is also part of the work. But citizens' partnership is most important. Without their partnership, without their participation, keeping the streets clean is going to be always a challenge. We must change that because where does the dirt come from, where does the problem come from? If we do not solve the problem there, going on cleaning endlessly is not the answer. That's great. A few lakhs. But a whole hundred and thirty crore, everybody becomes a Swachita warrior and keep themselves and the places around them clean, the whole nation becomes very clean. I think that's a great message. And there have been a lot of learning from your one hour discussion with our six of our panelists and the two recorded messages. I would like to thank you from the bottom of my heart. I would like to thank all those who have joined through the YouTube. I'm sure this YouTube will be available for those who have missed this. Maybe they would like to go through it again and would like to listen to Sadhguru be in his company through this YouTube and take resolve like a warrior. Though this is not a war, but they are battling. I mean, they are on war with the coronavirus. They are at war with making sure that everybody's life is secured, safe and people are level to live fearlessly do their job. So in this time, a great companion of Sadhguru, I think I would like to end with your own saying, if you are constantly facing new situations, it means you are living a life of growth and a great possibilities, which you treated during the course also that here is a huge opportunity, which one can make a note of or which we can take resolve and work on this. Again, thanks a lot for being with us and being with the whole country to all our success. Thank you. Namaskaram. My privilege to be with all of you. Thank you.