 Hi, this is your host Martin and welcome to a special edition of tear for let's talk here at QCon you in Amsterdam And today we have with us once again, Chris Clark program manager at Cloud for new foundation Chris is great to have you on the show Great to be here swap. Oh, it's a pleasure. It's yeah, it is always pleasure to talk to you Let's talk about because I think this this time or last time also at QCon you folks talked a lot about griffin And if I'm not wrong the latest release came out, you know a few days or weeks ago So first. Yeah, so let's give a kind of no recap on let's start with the basics What is griffin and then what's new in this release? Well? Karifi is is latest platform out of the cloud foundation and it's a it's a lighter weight implementation of Cloud Foundry, which has traditionally been a very opinionated heavy footprint cloud application platform and Karifi is a simpler implementation of that. So it's the Cloud Foundry API and CLI but Deployed with an entirely Kubernetes CRD based back-end So it should be the idea is that it'll be much more extensible and and composable so that as new CNCF projects and other other cloud technologies become mature they can be incorporated into Karifi Whereas with Cloud Foundry traditionally Cloud Foundry on VMs we sometimes call it That was challenging to swap out one part for another part. It was kind of a take it or take it or leave it We have a situation so that's the the gist of what Karifi is trying to accomplish basically giving Kubernetes users that that that you know best-in-class Cloud Foundry developer experience and solving a lot of the day day one day two problems that people have with Kubernetes And Karifi just hit 0.7. I'm a couple of weeks ago This release had some some notable improvements in logging in metrics and some other some other features Earlier in the year there's increased support for AWS and So the features are coming out. We're still not quite at a GA point There's a couple of key features that we still need to to work out But it's they've made a tremendous amount of progress in the last I think it's been 10 or 11 months since 0.1 was caught. So, you know, we're hoping later this year that we get a Maybe a 1.0 release. Let me look at Karifi because from from Cloud Foundry Foundation project a lot of effort have been going on for a very early days, you know to release no projects You know to kind of balance between Kubernetes and so is Karifi kind of Evolution of those projects or it's like, you know, totally new projects from, you know ground up To solve some of these problems. Well, both I mean, there's there were a few initiatives over the last few years to incorporate Cloud Foundry with Kubernetes and We've learned a lot from those we ran into some some roadblocks there and it's just not a technically trivial job to undertake so Karifi is what we think is the best architectural approach to solving this problem and So far we've we've been quite happy with how it's developed and since you are you're still, I mean 0.7 so Do you have any of course a go puzzle structure really hard to say but when you do feel that you will hit the Either point release and you're like, hey, this is when we'll hit or you're still like no This is still work in progress and we'll move forward Once again, it's open source project where the community takes it or you do have a set deadline that hey This is there's no deadline and and we don't even have a you know We're not totally sure about what features we need to have in that But there are a few key features that they're still being worked on that we'd like to have Squared away before we you know make our larger push for for this so right now We're just you know kind of spreading the word about Karifi I mean and it's it's working right now you can you know it deploys apps and it does a lot of a lot of the The CF push experience at least for from Cloud Foundry is there And you can deploy it on your laptop quickly, which is something you could never do before with a traditional Cloud Foundry So there's already some nice advantages Even though it's not a one-to-one parody with Cloud Foundry features There's some nice advantages to Karifi over traditional Cloud Foundry already This question may be a bit uncomfortable, which is more or less like there have been couple of projects You know over years, you know once again as you also mentioned and I've been covering them So and every time a product came out if we're all like hey, we have learned some lessons, you know And this is what a so when we look at Karifi, how much confidence do you have in this project? How much involvement is also from the Kubernetes community as well then where you can say hey, though This is the kind of final destination of bringing the CF experience to Kubernetes This this is the first time we've really taken it from a Kubernetes native Approach as opposed to taking parts of Cloud Foundry and swapping it out like there was a rainy where we just tried to you know Swap out Diego the container orchestration layer in Cloud Foundry for For Kubernetes and that that was successful. I mean that worked, but that still left a you know monolithic Cloud Foundry platform that wasn't quite extensible with other technologies And CF for kates then was was a more robust version that was essentially swapping out Bosch for for Kubernetes The Karifi approach this lighter-weight approach. I think is going to be much more future-proof than some of those others As it integrates with Kubernetes You know, that's the goal in this short term and we've already I mean it's already integrated with Kubernetes, but the real goal is to have a more Composable extensible Cloud Foundry so that when another technology comes along that can be incorporated a lot easier than you know the Then Kubernetes has been but Ultimately, we're really happy with with how creepy Karifi shaping up since you know, it's very early days for the project What kind of involvement is there because when we look at Cloud Foundry you have you know A lot of big players from all days of you know VMV and all those players and we are very also heavily interested in Kubernetes So if you can talk about what kind of community is there at this stage Where you can say hey, this is all the players from the Kubernetes space is also involved These are the player in the whole veteran from the Cloud Foundry space also involved so that we can also understand You know who is building right so VMware and SAP Are still you know Platinum members of the Cloud Foundry foundation and they're the driving force behind most of the development behind Cloud Foundry And both of them have been involved with Karifi mainly VMware But the foundation in the general Cloud Foundry community I mean IBM is still is still around To a slightly lesser extent And we still have a you know robust open-source community of people using deploying Cloud Foundry on their own Karifi at this point, you know, we're we're still kind of building that community and it's yeah It's a very early stage so you know, it's pretty yeah, it's so pretty early for Karifi So we're talking about it because we're very excited about it, right You know and that's why I wanted to add the question was because when your project is a very early stage Then the way you plan a lot of things are different, you know a lot of things goes in education and awareness talk to people about that So so the next question about that would be so of course you are working in a project You know the code base at the same time when you're also trying to engage the community There are a lot of efforts going on each about telling them what a project is about telling them how they can use it So what are the efforts going on there? We just launched earlier just one month ago. We launched a new tutorials page So tutorials dot cloud foundry dot org. There's a career fee tutorial now. So that's that's brand new We just launched that and that was developed by the CFF In conjunction with it with the dev team behind career fee. So that that should be a big help We're gonna be having a cloud foundry day event in Heidelberg, Germany on June 21st And that'll be our first European event that we've had since before the pandemic So really looking forward to that and we can you know, what we talking about career fee a lot more there as well We are here to go on tell us, you know, what is cloud funding doing at Q4? Well We're largely we're promoting career fee which we've already discussed a bit and Peketo bill packs Which is our collection of cloud native bill packs from the cloud funded community That's getting quite a lot of traction with Kubernetes end users and other folks in the CNCF wider ecosystem it's also Peketo bill packs is consumed by By career fee so they're kind of linked technologies, but a lot of people are using Peketo bill packs on their own as well. Knative is consuming it There's there's a lot. There's quite a few larger end user companies right now that are just using Peketo bill packs So we're trying to promote both of those projects kind of simultaneously right now Chris Thank you so much for taking time out today and of course give an update on career fee and you know We're a cloud foundry community and the project is heading thanks for all those updates and as usual I would love to chat with you again soon. Thank you. It's a pleasure swap. No, and yeah, we'll be in touch like I said, we've got that cloud foundry day event in Heidelberg in June and then If we don't talk to you before then I'll certainly see you in Chicago at XCubeCon